Friday, 2014-02-07

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openstackgerritShane Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fix misspellings in python marconiclient
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openstackgerritShane Wang proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Fix misspellings in marconi
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openstackgerritSascha Peilicke proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add py33 trove classifier
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Expose the stats attribute on a queue
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Removed oslo.config from requirements.text
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Delete unused module
openstackgerritSascha Peilicke proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add python3 and pypy trove classifiers
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flwangflaper87: ping14:21
flaper87flwang: pong14:22
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flwangflaper87: is there any way to know the queues list of a specific shard?14:22
alcabreraGood morning. :)14:24
alcabreraflwang: hmmm... kind of. It'd be a expensive to extract that information.14:24
alcabrera**be expensive... >.>14:25
alcabrerathere's a one-way mapping from project/queue -> shard14:25
alcabrerabut there's no reverse mapping14:25
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alcabreraso you can't really tell what queues are on a given shard, short of checking every queue and seeing if it is associated with that shard14:26
flwangalcabrera: thanks for the info, you know I'm working on the /health bp,  this is against the KPI  # of queues/shard14:26
alcabreraah, I see. queues/shard isn't feasible at the moment. :/14:26
alcabreraflaper87: yo! What did you slay that you had a patch that was -6K/+600?! :D14:27
flwangalcabrera: ok, then let's talk about the next one :)14:27
flwang# of active shards14:27
alcabrerakk. :)14:27
flaper87alcabrera: I removed oslo-rpc from cinder :D14:27
flaper87I migrated it to oslo.messaging14:27
alcabreraflaper87: niiiiice14:27
flwangalcabrera: seems we don't have a lifecycle management for shard, is it?14:27
flaper87alcabrera: and gooood morning14:27
flwangso seems there is no term 'active' for a shard, right?14:27
alcabreraflwang: so for active shards... that's right. There's no such thing. :D14:28
alcabreraThere's just shard.14:28
alcabreraIf someone registered it, it's active14:28
* flaper87 is working on the messagecontroller for sqlalchemy14:28
flwangalcabrera: so for this KPI, we can just read the records numbers of table 'shards' in marconi db, is it?14:28
alcabreraflaper87: yaaaaay.14:29
flaper87flwang: well, I wouldn't focus on what's fast on mongo rather than figuring out what's useful for opreratos14:30
flaper87lets put under /health as much info as an operator would want14:30
flaper87obviously, useful info14:30
flaper87then we can optimize for each storage14:30
alcabreraflwang: you'd have to paginate over the shards collection (shards.list) until you reached the end, counting the number of shards you encountered in that process14:31
flaper87I'm starting to think that we'll need some kind of map/reduce in mongo to collect all that info14:31
flaper87without making the operator wait14:31
flaper87or a very optimized aggregation pipeline14:31
flwangflaper87: make sense for me14:32
flwangflaper87: but not now i think14:32
flaper87test_message_lifecycle, I'm comming for ya'14:33
alcabreraflwang: another (better) option is likely to implement a count() method for the ShardsController that just returns the number of shards registered. One query to rule them all. :)14:33
alcabreraflaper87: any word on the queue controller?14:33
flwangalcabrera: yep, maybe we need some helper method for this kind of  statistics14:34
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flwangflaper87: as for the /health api, kgriffs_afk and I have discussed, and we prefer to rename current /health to /ping and add a new '/health' api to return detailed info which I'm working on14:35
flwangflaper87: /ping is no auth, /health is admin only14:36
flwangflaper87: any concern?14:36
flaper87alcabrera: the queue controller is on gerrit, it's partially done, I' just fixed a couple of things to make it work for the message controller tests14:36
flaper87it still needs some care but the base sckeleton is done14:36
flaper87skeleton *?14:36
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: [WIP]Implement Queue controller for sqlalchemy storage backend
flaper87updated queue controller ^14:37
* alcabrera catches up14:39
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alcabreraI'll review that queue controller soon. :)14:44
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flaper87alcabrera: it's still a WIP but any review we can do now is valuable15:00
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* flaper87 is already fixing some of those issue to be able to work on the message controller15:00
alcabreraflaper87: I expanded the ability to configure and instantiate the sqlalchemy driver in:
alcabreranot sure if you've seen that, but it might be worthwhile to base off of that patch until it gets in. :)15:01
flaper87alcabrera: oh, I hadn't seen that.15:04
flaper87alcabrera: mmh, TBH, I prefer using sqlalchemy's urls15:04
flaper87I think it's simpler and it's also compliant with what other projects do15:04
alcabreraso instead of having 6 config options, have the user pass in a single URL at config time?15:04
flaper87alcabrera: yeah15:05
alcabreracool - I agree with you, after playing with it for a bit. :D15:05
* alcabrera kept crashing the sqlite in unit tests15:05
alcabreraI'll fix that patch up and rebase my other one.15:05
flaper87alcabrera: awesome, I'll base mine on yours15:05
flaper87since you have done that work already15:06
alcabrerawe'll get sqlalchemy done! <315:07
flaper87alcabrera: need your thoughts on something15:08
* alcabrera listens15:08
flaper87we've this nice algorithm to reuse messages ids15:08
flaper87in sqlite15:08
flaper87DO you think we still need that?15:08
flaper87I'm a bit concern about that algorithm15:09
alcabreraI don't think we do. It sounds tricky, and I don't think we're going to run out of message ids.15:09
flaper87because we know how it behaves in sqlite but we don't know if it works ok in other engines15:09
flaper87cool, lets go without it for now15:09
alcabreramaaaan, refactoring to use URI rather than 6-conf for sqlalchemy is *awesome*. I should've done this much sooner. (-50/+5).15:11
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openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sql/driver): expose ControlDriver, more config
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openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller
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flaper87single message post done15:28
flaper87well, bulk too15:28
flaper87I'm not sure how to get all the ids yet15:29
flaper87but I'll figure it out when I get to the bulk insert test15:29
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flaper87alcabrera: any example of joins with sqla ?15:40
* flaper87 is lazy15:40
alcabreraI've never joined in sqlalchemy, flaper87. :P15:42
alcabreraactually, more generally15:42
flaper87alcabrera: np!15:42
alcabreraI've written so little sql in all my life, I've never joined. :D15:42
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balajiiyeralcabrera:  lol16:00
balajiiyeralcabrera:  which reminds me of one of my fav programmer jokes - 'a sql query walks into a bar and asks a guy at the table, can I join you?'16:01
alcabrerabalajiiyer: lol16:02
alcabreragood one16:02
alcabreraI found this collection of those types of jokes just now:
alcabreraThe "programmer adds an API" one is brilliant.16:03
sriramHaha yeah.16:04
malinialcabrera: can you please give me the sqlalchemy etherpad link (AGAIN) ?16:08
alcabreramalini: sure thing!16:09
maliniI am feeling pretty good about my tempest patch now..So planning to start on the sqlalchemy tests16:09
alcabreraI've been keeping that link on:
alcabrerathat'd be awesome - let me know if I can help, malini! :)16:10
malinithanks alcabrera!16:10
maliniIt'll be great if you can take a look at the Functional Test strategy16:10
maliniI am looking for inputs on what dbs we need to test16:11
maliniI'll start with mongo16:11
alcabreraI think having tests for postgresql and mysql will cover the majority.16:11
malinithe neat thing is , we'll just need to run the existing tests against a different backend16:11
alcabreraflaper87: what do you think? If we provided functional tests to cover postgresql and mysql, will that make a strong case for the quality of our sql bindings?16:12
maliniBut if there is something more that needs to be tested, please let me know16:12
* flaper87 catches up16:12
maliniflaper87: thanka for taking of the update in #openstack-infra ..I saw that conversation late16:12
flaper87malini: np16:13
flaper87alcabrera: so, that would be great. I think we can achieve that in the gate itself16:13
flaper87I mean, as long as our functional tests read from a config file, we can plug any sql uri we want16:13
maliniflaper87: exactly!16:14
alcabreraah, on that note, about URIs16:14
flaper87oh boy16:14
malini& FYI - I am planning to set up the functional tests to run against devstack16:14
* alcabrera preps a paste16:15
maliniSo we'll have 3 functional-tests-devstack-***  jobs16:15
alcabrera25% of learning about sqlalchemy is learning that create_engine database-identifying string URL format. :P16:18
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maliniI know 25% sqlalchemy now8-|16:21
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alcabreraIt's interesting, in a way16:22
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alcabreraA consequence of the sqlalchemy URI format is that it will influence our sharding framework16:22
alcabrerafor example, when someone registers an sqlalchemy shard16:22
alcabrerathey'll need to know that formay16:22
alcabreraI'll be back in a bit - meeting16:25
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flaper87message create, delete and post done16:57
flaper87let me take that back. There's a bug in the message deletion16:59
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kgriffsalcabrera: hey, can you do me a favor today and add the sharding stuff to the 1.1 spec?17:53
kgriffsflaper87: do you know off-hand how other projects do api version discoverability?17:54
kgriffsI still need to spec that piece out for v1.117:54
alcabrerakgriffs: will do17:54
kgriffsalcabrera: thanks!17:55
alcabreraall set, kgriffs:
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flaper87WHAT'S UP PEOPLE!19:00
alcabreraright now, I'm pondering on a talk to submit to the openstack summit19:01
alcabreraflaper87: :)19:02
flaper87alcabrera: +1 go go go!19:03
flaper87btw, we should present marconi again!19:03
flaper87I haven't submitted anything about Marconi yet!19:03
alcabreraI'd be happy to collaborate on that talk.19:04
flaper87alcabrera: is that what you're working on?19:04
flaper87lets do it19:04
alcabreranope, I have a crazier one in mind. ;)19:04
alcabreraI'll mention my other talk in a moment19:04
alcabreraabout the marconi talk, flaper87 -19:04
alcabreraHow do you want to do this?19:04
alcabreraWe should brainstorm on it before the middle of next week, write the proposal, and then get it in before Fridat.19:05
flaper87alcabrera: sounds like a plan19:05
flaper87I'd prefer not doing a "THis is Marconi" talk19:05
alcabreraMe, too19:05
flaper87I expect people to already have an idea of what it is19:06
flaper87maybe something more like: This is how you use it19:06
flaper87library and all candies19:06
maliniWe shud also have a strategy to attract more contributors19:06
alcabreraI want it to be less about technology and vision, and more about what it means to be a group of people working on something we care about19:06
flaper87malini: oh, we have one, it's call AK-4719:06
alcabrerato tie in what malini just mentioned - how do we get people excited about joining us. :D19:07
maliniflaper87: it might be hard to get tht past the TSA19:07
alcabrerapfft, there's an upgrade to the AK-47 - the AP-47 (Automated Poptarter - 47)19:07
flaper87malini: We'll send it through a queue19:07
maliniAutomated Poptarter - 47 sounds cool19:08
maliniwe shud do that with an arduino + Marconi Queues in the Summit lobby & get ppl into the session19:08
alcabreratoasty and fresh, FIFO *guaranteed*19:09
flaper87sebasmagri: ping :)19:09
sebasmagriflaper87: hey!19:10
flaper87sebasmagri: hey, 'sup?19:11
flaper87sebasmagri: any news wrt the claims stuff ?19:11
* flaper87 doesn't want to put any preasure on sebasmagri19:11
flaper87sebasmagri: WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE IT????19:11
flaper87(just kidding)19:11
flaper87(obviously kidding)19:11
flaper87PLEASE DON'T GO AWAY!19:11
flaper87damn, feels good to be back19:11
sebasmagriflaper87: still not... I guess if this is the only missing piece now...19:11
sebasmagriflaper87: I've been pretty bussy... However I took a project to dig into falcon... Hopefully this will help me when I finally start looking for contribution opportunities with Marconi.. :)19:13
alcabrerait is the final piece, the one piece to rule them all, sebasmagri. :)19:13
sebasmagrialcabrera: hahah19:13
flaper87kgriffs_afk: did you read that? sebasmagri is using falcon ;)19:13
sebasmagrikgriffs_afk: it's great btw... :)19:13
alcabrerafalcon is lovely. It's pretty fun to use.19:14
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sebasmagriI feel like I'm just talking HTTP at last... with nothing in the middle...19:14
sebasmagrifalcon seems like the 'requests' of backend.19:15
alcabrerawow, that's pretty impressive19:15
alcabreraI hadn't considered that analogy19:15
alcabreraBut I can see why that might be the case19:15
* alcabrera falcon needs docs love19:15
sebasmagriyep that's true...19:16
alcabreraIf falconframework had a quotes page, I'd put on it what you just said, sebasmagri: "Falcon seems like the 'requests' of backend"19:16
sebasmagrialcabrera: let's save it somewhere ;)19:17
* sebasmagri remembers old times when IRC bots where used for this19:17
alcabrerawell, there is eavesdrop19:18
alcabreraand my local IRC logs19:18
alcabrerathough, that'd take us/me/you remembering that this was an awesome quote19:18
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sebasmagriRight, sometimes I forget everything is recorded nowadays...19:18
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kgriffssebasmagri: great quotes!19:20
kgriffsmind if I use them?19:20
kgriffs(giving you credit, of course)19:20
sebasmagrikgriffs: I'd be glad19:21
kgriffssebasmagri: what is your real name? or shall I just attribute to your nick?19:21
kgriffssebasmagri: also, what is your twitter handle?19:21
flaper87kgriffs: stop stalking people, man!19:21
kgriffscome on19:22
kgriffsyou're no fun19:22
sebasmagrikgriffs: Sebastián Magrí and @sebasmagri ;)19:22
sebasmagriflaper87: :(19:22
* alcabrera stalks, too19:22
flaper87and twitter is not stalking, twitter is like push-gossip19:22
sebasmagriflaper87: I'm making new friends dude... :(19:22
sebasmagriI didn't see the (s)talking the first time19:23
alcabrerapush-gossip - niiice19:23
* kgriffs wonders if flaper87 found the bug in his laptop yet19:23
flaper87O.O is that what I've been... maaaaaaaan... I knew I shouldn't have left my laptop there19:25
kgriffs<out-loud> flaper87: if you discover someone has been spying on you, it wasn't me.19:25
flaper87kgriffs: I'm pretty sure it was Alan19:25
flaper87He looks like *that kind of guy*19:25
* alcabrera learns the truth about debugging19:25
kgriffsAnd no, I didn't touch your laptop in the ATC lounge when you were over getting a candy bar19:25
* kgriffs hopes flaper87 buys it19:25
flaper87kgriffs: and the Nth red bull19:25
flaper87man, those gummy bears.... I miss them19:26
kgriffsI thought *I* was the one drinking all of those. :p19:26
kgriffsflaper87: d00d, they had the BEST candy19:26
kgriffssame candy bar brand in HK tasted way better than here in the US19:26
alcabreraI hope Openstack Summit ATL has awesome candy...19:26
kgriffsalcabrera: nah19:27
kgriffsjust chicken and biscuits19:27
kgriffschicken and waffles19:27
alcabreradang. :(19:27
alcabreradouble dang. :(19:27
kgriffsand lots of Coke19:27
alcabrerawaffles are cool19:27
alcabrerachicken too19:27
alcabreranot a fan of the biscuits19:27
flaper87Some folks asked to have some soft drinks for the next summit, there were red bulls and.... red bulls19:28
kgriffscpallares: sorry, I missed your msg earlier19:29
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cpallareshey kgriffs! No problem, it was just a question I had about the falcon error19:34
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kgriffscpallares: kk. Let me comment on that issue19:43
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cpallaresthanks kgriffs!20:03
cpallaresit will be beautifarous20:03
kgriffscpallares: commented on that Falcon issue20:07
kgriffsyou already saw it. :)20:08
kgriffsflaper87: something tells me it should be pretty easy to get soft drinks in Atlanta. Just a hunch.20:08
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kgriffsalcabrera: the new cryptography library is fun20:19
kgriffsI hacked something together to play with it a little20:19
kgriffsanyway, it let's you do lower level stuff too, so we can use it for message signing and stuff20:19
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kgriffsgerrit is MIA20:23
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alcabrerakgriffs: cryptography looks really promising21:01
alcabreraI've been following its development on Twitter21:01
alcabrerapush-gossip channels, indeed. :)21:02
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openstackgerritCatherine Richardson proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide
flaper87+234295, -0 o_021:20
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openstackgerritCatherine Richardson proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide
openstackgerritCatherine Richardson proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide
alcabreraI saw that, too. I was expecting it, but it was still huuuuge21:33
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide
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kgriffsI was hoping to get this merged before starting work on v1.121:48
kgriffs(to avoid conflicts when I copy-paste the wsgi driver)21:48
flaper87kgriffs: looking21:49
flaper87kgriffs: btw, we should start generating our config file using oslo's config script21:49
kgriffsthis one also needs some more eyes:
flaper87I need to complete the work I'm doing on the config stuff first21:49
flaper87then we'll be able to do that21:49
flaper87and before that, I gotta finish the sqlalchemy work too21:49
kgriffsflaper87: hmmm. only if you fix the check_uptodate21:50
kgriffsit is totally broken on mac21:50
kgriffsor I fix it first21:50
kgriffsbtw, why the heck aren't we writing those scripts in python?21:50
kgriffsstuff like mktemp behaves differently on different OS's21:50
kgriffspython can smooth over those differences21:51
flaper87wait, what check_uptodate ?21:52
* flaper87 lost :P21:52
flaper87ah ok, yeah, I've never touched that21:53
kgriffsflaper87: no wonder it isn't awesome!21:53
flaper87I just run tools/blahblha21:53
flaper87In oslo.messaging we've some from x import  *21:53
flaper87in inits21:53
flaper87and we obviously have `__all__` defined in every module21:54
flaper87so, I was thinking that we could do the same in marcony21:54
flaper87(don't ask how y ended up there)21:54
kgriffsyeah, I don't totally remember21:54
flaper87anyway, just to cleanup those modules21:55
kgriffsseems like it may have been an old HACKING requirement I picked up from swift or something to never use *21:55
flaper87they're ugly21:55
flaper87yeah, either hacking or pylint21:55
kgriffsflaper87: if there's a precedent, then I'm cool with it21:55
notmynamefrom foo import * is bad ;-)21:55
kgriffsflaper87: good point, could have been pyflakes or pylint or something21:55
* kgriffs can't remember21:55
notmynameprobably a linter like pyflakes21:55
kgriffswouldn't suprise me21:56
* kgriffs can't speel21:56
flaper87kgriffs: you're old school. Cool kids say: "I can't English"21:57
kgriffsIch kann Deutsch, aber Englisch ist mir nicht so einfach.22:00
flaper87erm, you lost me at ":)"22:00
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openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide
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