Tuesday, 2014-02-18

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openstackgerritShuangtai Tian proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Remove dependent module py3kcompat from marconi  https://review.openstack.org/7349308:57
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maliniflaper87: ping11:45
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malinigood morning & qq - trying to get the question to you before my daughter wakes up :D11:46
maliniflaper87: is there any reason why we dont have separate statements for ubuntu/ fedora here https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/marconi#L7011:47
malinidoesnt it need something similar to https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/marconi#L108 ?11:48
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flaper87malini_afk: pong12:15
flaper87malini_afk: no need for separate statement since it is running an actual mongodb command which is the same for both distro12:17
flaper87that basically logs in to mongodb, runs that js and exists12:17
openstackgerritShuangtai Tian proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Sync common modules from olso and remove py3kcompat  https://review.openstack.org/7349312:37
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Fix misspellings in marconi  https://review.openstack.org/7177913:24
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openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide  https://review.openstack.org/7200114:19
alcabreraGood morning! :D14:19
flaper87alcabrera: there you are14:22
flaper87alcabrera: good morning!14:22
alcabreraflaper87: :)14:22
flaper87alcabrera: comments comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71335/14:23
flaper87alcabrera: I also commented here. I'd love to get your thoughts about my comments: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72614/14:23
flaper87but don't tell kgriffs_afk14:23
alcabreraI'll check 'em out before our meeting. It's going to be awesome finalizing those sqlz14:24
flaper87yeah, ykaplan is working on that as we speak14:25
flaper87she's just to shy to share the awesome work she's doing14:25
flaper87did I just say that?14:25
* flaper87 hides from ykaplan14:25
alcabreraykaplan: thanks for all your help. :D14:25
alcabrerait's really appreciated. We wouldn't be this far along with sql if not for your efforts.14:26
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ykaplanalcabrera: :)14:26
ykaplanthanks :)14:26
ykaplanJust trying to get rid of all of the bugs14:27
alcabreraI'll have to do the same shortly on the catalogue and shards side!14:27
alcabreraHopefully, we can both finish this up soon and move on to other cool things. :)14:27
ykaplanAmen to that :)14:29
flaper87alcabrera: ykaplan you people that can't write bugless code... pfffffff14:29
ykaplanflaper87, I thought you were hiding :P14:29
alcabreraYeah, I totally couldn't do it. :P14:29
flaper87ykaplan: internet is everywhere :D14:30
* flaper87 hopes that internet won't say where he is14:30
flaper87or should I say: "Internet is in the air" ?14:30
ykaplan:D :D :D14:31
ykaplanPeople are starting to wonder why I'm laughing so loud14:31
flaper87seriously, why can't we have some kind of O2I1 ?14:32
flaper87That's some kind of 2 molecules of Oxigen and 1 of internet14:32
flaper87that would be AWESOME!14:32
flaper87we would be able to breath internet14:32
flaper87and surf the web at anytime and FOR FREE14:32
alcabrerabecause of all the bytes, flaper87. They'd run out. We don't want a bytes shortage! D:14:32
flaper87alcabrera: LOOOL14:33
flaper87there would be serious security issues. We'd have super interesting security algorithms14:33
flaper87I'd be breathing YOUR data14:33
alcabrerathe secret is that as we exhale data, we'd have to encode it using our public keys.14:33
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alcabreraIt's be seriously distributed public key crypto.14:34
* flaper87 can picture himself saying: "Ahh this smells like Marconi's IRC channel"14:34
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alcabrerakgriffs: good morning. :)14:48
kgriffsalcabrera: little README change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74172/14:48
alcabrerakgriffs: approved. :)14:49
flaper87kgriffs: morning14:52
kgriffsalcabrera: so, I heard a nasty rumor that there's something you guys were planning not to tell me. ;)14:52
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flaper87kgriffs: alcabrare has been keeping things from you14:53
flaper87kgriffs: I told him not to do that14:53
flaper87that's not nice, nooot nice14:53
flaper87then ykaplan started supporting him14:53
* alcabrera keeps all the secrets, scrypt'd and all14:53
alcabrerano leaks14:53
* alcabrera hides flaper8714:53
kgriffsflaper87: Buon pomeriggio!14:53
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: doc(README): Have the user pass '-v' when starting marconi-server  https://review.openstack.org/7417214:53
flaper87kgriffs: buongiorno a te!14:54
kgriffsI'm going to create a website14:54
sriramhaha.. :D14:55
kgriffsyou know, so that whistleblowers have a way to get the word out without fear of retribution from alcabrera.14:56
alcabreraoh yes14:56
alcabreraI mean14:56
alcabrerathat's not good14:56
kgriffscause, you know, he's a bit of a tyrant. ;)14:56
* alcabrera net-neutralizes MarconiLeaks.org - too much copyrighted content, yes14:56
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alcabrerameeting? :)14:59
alcabrerasriram: join us in openstack-meeting-alt :)15:00
alcabreranvm, you're there. :P15:00
sriramalcabrera: i'm there :P15:00
alcabrerakgriffs: join us for a meeting :P15:03
kgriffsah crap15:03
kgriffsand here I was nice and early15:03
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kgriffsgot distracted by gerrit15:03
kgriffsbad gerrit! bad!15:03
flaper87kgriffs: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg15:04
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alcabreraalright - lots more to cover for next meeting16:01
alcabrerawe may have to do a mini-review of v1.1 in #marconi sometime this week16:01
kgriffsso, any changes for 1.1 from the meeting I missed?16:02
alcabreraI remember something about decisions to support a /pop operation16:03
alcabreraflaper87: ?16:03
kgriffshow is that different from claim with limit=1 ?16:03
kgriffsor does it pop and delete?16:03
alcabreraI think it was a pop and delete16:04
flaper87sorry guys, back! I got a bit distracted w/ other things16:04
alcabrerano worries16:04
flaper87kgriffs: pop deletes16:04
flaper87we decided not doing gack because that's claim?limit=116:04
kgriffsflaper87: is pop something you are proposing for v1.1?16:05
kgriffsor later?16:05
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kgriffsI think it would be ok to try to get it in for v1.1 but only if we decide, like, now16:06
alcabreranotes here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-11-15.01.html16:06
kgriffsflaper87: ok, then can you add it to the spec?16:06
alcabrerare: gack / pop16:06
maliniflaper87: I need some devstack insight when you have a moment16:06
flaper87kgriffs: I will add it16:06
kgriffsmalini: btw, will you have time later this week to work on v1.1 tests?16:07
flaper87malini: shoot16:07
kgriffsflaper87: thanks!16:07
malinikgriffs: what takes priority - sqlalchemy or v1.1?16:07
mpanettagack?  Isn't that the stuff nickalodian used to dump on people?16:08
kgriffswe can slip v1.1 if we have to, although I'd rather not16:08
kgriffsmpanetta: sounds about right. :)16:08
maliniflaper87: do we need OS specific statements here https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/marconi#L70 - fedora vs ubuntu16:08
flaper87malini: I replied this morning :D16:09
flaper87malini: nope, we don't :)16:09
flaper87I mean, your morning16:09
maliniflaper87: seems like I lost it :(16:09
flaper87malini: that's a mongodb command so, it should be the same in every case16:09
flaper87malini: thought so, no worries16:09
mpanettakgriffs: hah16:09
maliniflaper87: I am getting a  '/home/stack/devstack/lib/marconi: line 71: mongo: command not found' on RHEL16:10
alcabrerahmmm, that implies to me that mongo is not being installed :x16:10
flaper87malini: ah damn, that's becuase ubuntu splits the server from the client16:10
flaper87malini: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/mongodb-clients16:11
flaper87you need to add that package to the mongodb dependencies for ubuntu16:11
maliniflaper87: I am getting tht message on rhel16:11
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flaper87malini: then you need to add that package for both16:12
* flaper87 is happy to know that malini is using RHEL16:12
maliniI am contributing to ur paycheck ;)16:12
flaper87malini: and many other folks too :D16:13
flaper87I mean, you're contributing to many other folks paycheck16:14
maliniI feel very benevolent now :D16:14
flaper87malini: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/mongodb/ fedora's package seems to provide everything16:14
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maliniflaper87: the gating jobs use fedora & ubuntu, rt?16:15
flaper87malini: ubuntu16:15
flaper87gates run ubuntu precise16:15
maliniflaper87: aah ok16:15
flaper87then you're not contributing to may pay check16:16
flaper87bad malini, bad!16:16
maliniI can give you a pop-tart ;)16:16
flaper87malini: ok ok, I'll take it16:17
alcabreraoz_akan_: looking at the marcon installation guide16:24
openstackgerritKurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(v1.1): Plumb v1.1 API in the WSGI transport  https://review.openstack.org/7404416:24
alcabrerais the "concepts" section necessary? Wouldn't that be covered in the user's guide?16:24
alcabreraah, I see16:25
kgriffsflaper87, alcabrera, balajiiyer: can I get some reviews on this within the next hour or two? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74044/16:25
alcabrerathe content is replicated a bit16:25
oz_akan_usually there is a short section about concepts16:25
oz_akan_on the installation guide16:25
oz_akan_and anyone can skip that section anyways16:26
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alcabrerait's looking good so far16:26
kgriffsbalajiiyer: is the -1 from Jenkins on this docs patch being addressed? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72001/16:27
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balajiiyerkgriffs: so pecan, how important it is for graduation? can we still graduate with Falcon? Doing it the pecan way + benchmarks is going to take time.16:27
kgriffsI don't doubt it will take time16:28
kgriffsthe requirement from the TC was to evaluate pecan before we can graduate16:28
kgriffswhat "evaluate" means is open to interpretation16:28
kgriffs(i suppose)16:28
alcabrerathe outlook is cloudy, since evaluation criteria is nebulous16:29
alcabrerakgriffs: +2 on v1.1 patch16:29
kgriffs(wrt patch)16:29
balajiiyerIm going to submit patches for Pecan after some re-work, you guys take a look at it and evaluate16:30
alcabrerabalajiiyer: thanks!16:30
kgriffsbalajiiyer: so, how far away from just being able to benchmark?16:31
kgriffseven if the code could be prettier16:31
balajiiyerI have a working queues controller, that does CRUD.16:31
balajiiyerI can use that I suppose16:31
kgriffsbecause, I suspect that making the code prettier won't have a much impact on perf16:31
kgriffsmalini: what do you think?16:32
kgriffswould the queues controller be sufficient for benchmarking?16:32
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alcabrerabalajiiyer: you fixed the queues controller? I couldn't get it to even create queues when I was working with it. :x16:33
kgriffsbalajiiyer: if you had until the end of the week, would that make a difference?16:34
kgriffsbalajiiyer: or say, EOD monday16:34
kgriffsso, here's the deal16:34
kgriffsif we want to graduate to be integrated in Juno, they could require us to remove Falcon if our evaluation shows it is viable to use Pecan16:35
kgriffsbut I suspect that requirement would be to do that work during Juno16:35
kgriffsthe only catch is that infra may push back and say they don't want to add Falcon as a dependency in the meantime16:36
malini*catching up*16:36
kgriffsthe other way this could go is everyone just chills out and realizes that having a single tool isn't actually a net win for the foundation16:36
alcabreraspeaking frankly, that would be an awful outcome - to be required to rewrite marconi using pecan16:36
kgriffssee also: http://blog.kgriffs.com/2014/01/08/software-standardization-manifesto.html16:37
alcabreraI hope (and will advocate) for the second outcome16:37
maliniif`folks are ok with using tsung for benchmarks, we can do it pretty fast16:37
maliniIt's just changing the end point to use falcon implemenation vs pecan16:37
balajiiyermalini: yeah, thats what Im thinking. you could use tsung, while I look at AB16:37
kgriffsbalajiiyer: how about you and malini benchmark your queues endpoints in an A/B test against the falcon driver?16:38
malinibalajiiyer: with AB you can do only one endpint at a time16:38
maliniif thts all we need ab is way simpler16:38
balajiiyermalini: I think that might work, we could gather read and write metrics seperately16:39
oz_akan_alcabrera: thank you for the comments16:39
kgriffsbalajiiyer: do you think the queues controller is sufficient to evaluate both frameworks according to all the criteria we've defined?16:39
balajiiyerqueues does CRUD, that is good starting point16:39
kgriffsassuming we also take a little time to make sure it is done in the "Pecan Way"16:39
kgriffsbalajiiyer: it also does serialization/deserialization right?16:39
balajiiyeragain, pecan way is not clearly defined16:39
kgriffsbalajiiyer: what I mean is, just compare what you have against ceilometer and see if there is any way to improve it16:40
balajiiyerI looked at Ceilometer code, across the project it is using webob, requests, WSME, pecan to do different things16:40
kgriffsby improve, I mean reduce code, and make sure we are doing "globals" the "right" way16:40
maliniwhat abt getting ryan to review pecan our code first ?16:40
kgriffswhat malini said.16:41
kgriffsok, so first thing is benchmarks16:41
kgriffssecond thing is get ryan to review our code and implement his suggestions16:41
kgriffslet's not worry about message controller16:41
alcabrera+1 for getting ryan's review16:41
maliniI think the review shud come first (if we can get it)16:41
malinicoz changes after review will invalidate the benchmarks16:42
kgriffsok, just so long is it all happens within the next few days16:42
kgriffsmalini: good point16:42
alcabrerathe best pecan implementation I've seen so far is openstack/ironic16:42
kgriffswe don't want any excuses that benchmarks are invalid!16:42
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malinifor the same reason we want the benchmarking tool to be blessed too16:43
balajiiyerwow, too many subtleties16:43
malinilets just do with both tsung & ab16:43
malinihope nobody will ask for tempest stress test ;)16:44
kgriffsmainly I just want us to make sure we are taking this evaluation seriously and we are careful about the results. We want to be as correct and objective as possible. That's one of the reasons I was glad to have balajiiyer step up to help out since he was coming with an outsider's perspective.16:50
malinimy point was to make sure that we are doing things in a way that is acceptable to whoever is looking at the results16:51
kgriffsI think we have a good plan16:51
openstackgerritCindy Pallares proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Adding queue and queue test to API  https://review.openstack.org/7021016:52
alcabrerawith ryan stepping up to assist with reviews, I'm happier with the plan, since we now have a voice that can help us determine whether we're taking an idiomatic approach to pecan implementation16:52
* mpanetta suddenly wants pecan pie.16:55
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alcabreraflaper87, kgriffs: working on the shards driver now. I'll have that updated soon.17:05
kgriffsgreat, thanks!17:07
kgriffsI'll be back online in about an hour17:07
cpallareshi alcabrera, how are you doing?17:09
alcabreracpallares: hey! I'm doing okay. The stresses of development are getting to me a bit today, but all is well otherwise. :)17:10
alcabreraHow about you?17:10
cpallaresalcabrera: aw that sucks17:11
cpallaresalcabrera: I'm doing good. I got my computer today :)17:11
alcabreranice! yay! :D17:12
alcabreracpallares: how is it, so far?17:12
cpallaresalcabrera: it's good, nothing special17:15
cpallaresalcabrera: it's got lots of ram :D17:16
cpallaresalcabrera: so that's nice17:16
alcabrerahaving at least 8GB of ram is awesome17:16
alcabreraI've yet to find every day applications that require more than that17:16
alcabreragames, included17:17
cpallaresalcabrera: yeah I wanted to play this game called broken age17:17
cpallaresbut I couldn't on my old laptop17:17
cpallaresbut now I can :D17:17
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alcabreracpallares: this one?: http://brokenage.gamepedia.com/Broken_Age_Wiki17:18
cpallaresalcabrera: yeah that one17:18
alcabrerait looks beautiful!17:19
cpallaresalcabrera: it was made by the same guy who created psychonauts, if you've ever played psychonauts. it's a pretty neat game. kinda old now.17:19
alcabreraI think I have psychonauts, but I've never played it. I've heard good things about it!17:20
* alcabrera used to purchase all the humble bundles17:20
* cpallares high-fives alcabrera17:20
cpallaresI bought broken age at a humble bundle, but I hadn't been able to download it :P17:20
* alcabrera returns the high-five17:20
cpallareswhat games do you play alcabrera?17:21
alcabreralately, I've been playing Minecraft and Terraria. I return to Diablo 2 (Median XL), Pokémon (all of them), and Starbound from time to time.17:22
maliniflaper87: I am trying to run devstack on ubuntu with nojournal true - still cant connect to mongodb  after the restart :-S17:22
maliniflaper87: http://paste.openstack.org/show/66961/17:23
cpallaresalcabrera: oh i've heard good things of minecraft, but i've never played it (nor any of the other ones). I've played pokemon, but who hasn't :P17:23
alcabrerahaha, that is very true of Pokemon. :P17:23
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mpanettaI have not played it :P17:24
cpallaresmpanetta: :O17:24
alcabrerampanetta: it's an interesting game. If you join at this point, there's quite a bit of... zoology to be done. There's like... 700+ creatures now?17:24
mpanettaI have been itcing to replay Blaster Master for some reason lately...17:24
alcabreraooooh, Blaster Master. <317:24
cpallaresalcabrera: what 700+?17:25
* alcabrera goes to double check with serebii17:25
alcabreracpallares: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/ (719)17:25
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alcabreraas of XY17:25
cpallaresalcabrera: wow, I guess I haven't played in a looong time.17:26
mpanettaI just found out they released an updated Blaster Master for Wii virtual console.  Blaster Master: Overdrive17:26
cpallaresmpanetta: you should download an emulator and play the old version with < 30017:26
alcabreracpallares: X&Y are especially lovely, since they made it easier to trade, breed, and battle than ever before17:26
cpallares< 300 *pokemon17:26
mpanettacpallares: Oh?17:26
alcabrerampanetta: I'd totally recommend starting off with Ruby/Sapphire version17:26
cpallares^^ what alcabrera said17:27
alcabrerampanetta: oooh, a new Blaster Master. I never played any beyond the initial NES release. The ice stage music gets stuck in my head any time that game is mentioned.17:27
cpallaresI can't imagine being able to keep up with 700+ pokemon17:27
alcabrerait's difficult, for sure, cpallares! :)17:28
mpanettaalcabrera: I have played the genesis version, it was nice, music was nowhere near as good.17:29
mpanettaalcabrera: I found a map editor for Blaster Master last night.17:29
* cpallares has never played blaster master17:29
mpanettacpallares: It was a pretty novel game for its time.17:30
alcabreraJess does lots of cataloguing to help her keep track of the pokemon. I've just played for so long it's like releasing they released a new book in a series with 4 or 5 new characters. :)17:30
cpallaresmpanetta: neat thanks17:30
alcabrerampanetta: these pixels are so lovely. I will make them a wallpaper for my desktop now: http://bck.sourceforge.net/level1tr0.png17:31
mpanettaalcabrera: yes :)17:32
mpanettacpallares: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_Master17:32
mpanettaalcabrera: And yes the level 6 music I think was my fav.17:32
mpanettaAnd the level 8 music... Man that had me on edge constantly.  I think it added to the difficulty of that level heh17:32
alcabrerahaha, yes...17:33
alcabrerait was a merciless game17:33
cpallaresalcabrera: is she playing the one on the DS?17:33
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alcabreracpallares: we're both playing X&Y on the 3ds. :)17:34
alcabrerampanetta: wall-paper'd: http://wallpoper.com/images/00/31/20/99/blaster-master_00312099.jpg17:34
cpallaresalcabrera: I want a 3ds17:34
mpanettaI may have to steal that :P17:34
* cpallares steals alcabrera's 3ds17:34
* cpallares plays pokemon17:35
mpanettaHmm, now how do I set the bg on a mac heh17:35
sriramalcabrera:  ooh Diablo 2, I am a huge fan. Diablo 3 was a bit of a letdown..17:35
cpallaresmpanetta: you can (right?) click on it and click set as background17:35
* alcabrera lends cpallares the 3ds17:36
mpanettacpallares: It does not give me that option :(17:36
cpallaresmpanette: ah my bad, I have a macbook, but I haven't used OS X in a while :(17:36
alcabrerasriram: diablo 2 was still so engrossing that I didn't even take a look at Diablo 3. especially when there's this lovely mod to work with: http://modsbylaz.vn.cz/17:36
cpallaresmpanetta: you can save it and then right click on the desktop to change it manually17:38
mpanettaYeah I just pulled up the settings thing heh17:38
sriramalcabrera: cool mod!17:39
cpallaresalcabrera: woah the 3DS is pretty!17:39
cpallaressince when do they have two screens?17:41
mpanettaalcabrera: http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01656/ heh17:41
mpanettaThat is what the DS stands for :P17:41
cpallaresthey have a zelda and mario one!17:42
* cpallares totally saving up to buy a 3ds now17:42
mpanettaHoly crap, blaster master overdrive looks killer!17:43
* alcabrera catches up17:45
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alcabreracpallares: yeah, the 3ds features a touchscreen as the bottom screen. It's really nice in Pokémon for moving them in and around boxes.17:50
alcabrerampanetta: yup, that's my favorite rendition of the ice stage theme! :D17:50
alcabrerathose riffs get stuck in my head *soooo bad*17:50
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mpanettaThey really did it justice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDDQgIz7VY17:50
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kgriffsmpanetta: sweet!17:54
kgriffsthat was one of my favorite NES games!17:54
mpanettaRocks ehh?17:54
* kgriffs takes our credit card17:55
* kgriffs remembers he has to wait until he gets home17:56
kgriffsI bet some smart guy just bought the rights to the game and rebooted it17:57
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mpanettakgriffs: Apparently sunsoft is trying to make a comeback17:58
alcabrerampanetta, kgriffs: I had no idea the story was this epic! It really sets the game in perspective.18:01
* alcabrera listens to the "Let's Play" video18:01
mpanettaalcabrera: They wrote a book based on the game.18:01
mpanettaI wonder if I still have it somewhere...18:02
alcabrerawaaaat, this whole series was created by Seth Godin?!18:03
alcabrerathat's a surprising connection. I've been listening to him lately about entrepreneurship and publishing!18:03
mpanettaWho is that?18:03
alcabreraEverything is connected, hahaha18:03
mpanettaHaha, gotta love that18:03
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alcabreraSeth Godin is a publisher, a writer, and has lots of interesting ideas18:05
alcabreraI think he's started several businesses18:05
alcabrerampanetta: good video interviewing him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDtkBsWgzWE "Failing Until You Succeed"18:05
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mpanettaOh cool18:07
maliniwhoah….I can get devstack running with the sleep after restart <:o)18:09
maliniso we dont have to mess with journalling18:09
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alcabrerampanetta: speaking of classic games, I sure would love to see The Guardian Legend remade.18:14
mpanettaI don't think I have played that one18:14
alcabrerait's an RPG/top-down shooter/adventure game. It had so many cool concepts, it's crazy.18:16
alcabrerathe music was also amazing18:16
kgriffs"too often, in our world, someone does something, something extraordinary, and we don't say, 'how'd you do that?'"18:17
kgriffsnice video18:17
alcabrerakgriffs: seth godin is great to listen to for inspiration. :D18:17
sriramalcabrera: I dont think I have actually played this game, but I did play some similar to these. very classic :)18:17
alcabrerasriram: the closest thing I played to it in recent times was Sigma Star Saga for the GBA. What else have you seen like it? :D18:18
mpanettawow GBA18:21
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sriramalcabrera: I'm not sure of the name. It was sometime back :/18:22
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kgriffsflaper87: if you have a few mins this evening to review this, that would be totally rad. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74044/18:46
maliniI have another devstack patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74467 . I hope this is the last one, before I can tempest merged18:49
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kgriffsmalini: cool19:02
openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller  https://review.openstack.org/7133519:06
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openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller  https://review.openstack.org/7133519:17
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openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller  https://review.openstack.org/7133519:18
alcabrerathere, that fixes that19:18
alcabreraflaper87, kgriffs: shards is ready for the next round of review. All the awesome comments were addressed!19:19
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alcabrerathis includes: handling disconnect errors via decoration, whitespace for readability, assertion thoughts, TODOs, and more19:19
openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sql/catalogue): add catalogue controller  https://review.openstack.org/7302719:20
flaper87alcabrera: balajiiyer hey guys19:20
alcabreraflaper87: hey. :)19:20
flaper87I was thinking that we should maybe bring the disucssion about pecan and falcon to the malining list19:21
flaper87what I'd like to do is not to compare them19:21
alcabrerathat would be lovely19:21
flaper87I'd like to provide the feedback about the implementation the the community19:21
alcabreranot having to compare the two19:21
flaper87and hear back from them19:21
flaper87I'd like the community to help us out on finding the best way to implement this19:21
flaper87and more importantly, I'd like the whole community to weight in19:22
flaper87so, here's what we can do19:22
alcabreragood thoughts, flaper8719:22
* alcabrera listens19:22
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flaper87balajiiyer: could start the thread by introducing himself and explaining to the community that he's new to marconi, falcon, pecan and openstack (?) - not sure about the later -19:23
flaper87I think that's valuable because his feedback is .... new19:23
balajiiyerflaper87:  Do you think that would start a bikeshed?19:24
balajiiyerEveryone will have opinions on this and there will lots of thoughts.19:24
flaper87balajiiyer: I'm not 100% sure but that's not the idea of the thread and we should stop folks that will hijack the thread19:25
flaper87I don't want to compare both frameworks19:25
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flaper87I want to provide feedback about what our experience has been during the implementation19:25
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flaper87I beleive we owe this to the overall community and that it will be a good thing for both the project and OpenStack19:26
flaper87also, we're not even sure we're doing the right thing w/ our current implementation19:26
balajiiyerflaper87:  I understand.19:26
flaper87so, since many projects have already migrated (or at least started to migrate) to pecan19:26
alcabreraprovide information - that's important19:26
flaper87I think they all can provide feedback  or even learn something19:26
flaper87I'm don't know pecan at all19:27
alcabrerahere's a thought19:27
flaper87that's why my questions in today's meeting were very focused on implementation details19:27
flaper87more than *which one goes faster*19:27
flaper87and we need to work closely with Doug and Ryan19:28
alcabreraspeed is a minor concern compared to how maintainable the final result is19:28
flaper87I think I mentioned this in the meeting (not trying to repeat myself)19:28
alcabreraI agree with you about speed19:29
alcabreraand more view points on the implementation can only help us19:29
alcabreraI'm not sure the ML is the right place to *start* the spread of information19:29
alcabrerait's definitely the right place to start the conversation19:29
alcabrerahere's what I mean19:29
alcabreraTo present the information, namely - how falcon has been used to implement marconi19:30
balajiiyerflaper87: alcabrera imho, implementation is very subjective. There will be many ways to skin a cat.19:30
alcabreraI think a blog post would be ideal19:30
balajiiyerarent we obsessed with performance? :)19:30
alcabrerathen, in the ML, reference the blog post and set the subject as: "Falcon: An Experience Report"19:31
alcabrerasomething like that19:31
alcabreraflaper87: what do you think?19:31
alcabrerabalajiiyer: ^19:31
balajiiyerIf Im writing the blog post - I would start with Pecan. Thats where my experience is now.19:33
balajiiyerand I dont want to come off biased towards falcon.19:33
alcabreraMakes sense.19:33
balajiiyerAlso, some of the implementation pains I have today could be because of the fact that Im trying to *port* falcon code to Pecan. Even though I try not to do that, it is difficult to avoid.19:34
alcabrerait's very different19:34
alcabreraporting is a bad idea, from what I can tell19:35
flaper87A blog post is very important but I don't think that's the way to get back to the community and start a discussion. We need to focus our implementation details in what would make it faster19:35
flaper87and we need experienced people to tell us what that implementation should look like19:35
balajiiyerflaper87: yeah, I agree. Im going to get review comments from Ryan on my current implementation. And go from there.19:36
balajiiyeronce I have a good understanding of what Im doing, and is on the right path ("pecan way"), I will send out an email to the community.19:37
balajiiyermakes sense?19:37
flaper87balajiiyer: awesome, thanks A LOT for that19:37
flaper87makes total sense19:37
flaper87Ryan started hacking on something *just for us* when we told him that we had some requirements in Marconi when we were back in HKG19:38
flaper87What I want to say is that:19:38
flaper871. The community is the place to look for help and we definitely need it19:39
flaper872. We owe this to the community and this has always being Marconi's spirit19:39
flaper873. I'd like us to have a good feedback and well prepared wiki page about this implementation before our graduation meeting19:39
flaper87and with all that said, I'll run for president19:40
* alcabrera votes for flaper8719:40
flaper87ah damn, that makes me think my country is currently completely fucked up :(19:40
balajiiyerwhen is the graduation meeting?19:40
* flaper87 is sad and far far away from home19:40
flaper87balajiiyer: no date yet but it should be sometime in march19:40
malinioff topic, do we have a chance of graduating in ATL ?19:41
maliniI am getting close with tempest19:42
flaper87malini: like having a ceremony and throwing the biggest party ever ?19:42
flaper87yeah, I can organize that19:42
flaper87I mean, the party19:42
maliniit wud be really cooool if all of us cud be there when Marconi graduates19:42
* mpanetta wants to go! 19:44
malinimpanetta: you need to submit a marconi patch19:45
mpanettaAww, the bug entries don't count? :P19:45
malinimpanetta: I dont think so..19:51
malinimpanetta: You still have time19:51
alcabrerampanetta: nah - an active technical contributor needs to have a patch committed to an openstack project19:51
malinimpanetta: I have a great idea for you19:52
mpanettaOh well :P19:52
mpanettamalini: What is it?19:54
* mpanetta is curious19:54
malinimpanetta: I think you can do something here https://github.com/openstack-infra/config19:55
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malinimpanetta: we need a new yaml for marconi ..let me find out where it shud go19:56
malinimpanetta: we need that to add gating/check jobs for marconi19:56
kgriffsmpanetta: infra would LOVE YOU FOREVER if you contributed19:56
mpanettaOh? Ok!19:57
kgriffsthey are chronically under water (way too much to do for such a small team)19:57
mpanettaI will have to do it on my off time, but I think I can do that.19:57
kgriffsWe are trying to get some Rackspace resources directed that way full-time, but it is slow in coming19:57
malinimpanetta: I think this is where it shud go https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/tree/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config19:58
malinimpanetta: something similar to https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/neutron-functional.yaml19:58
malinimpanetta: we have a ton of stuff to do for gating & this will be a GREAT start19:58
mpanettamalini: So it is basically a jenkins config?19:59
malinimpanetta: yes20:00
malinimpanetta: we want to be able to run the functional tests against devstack20:00
mpanettaOk cool20:01
mpanettaThere isn't too much in that file really is there20:02
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mpanettamalini: Will you be here friday?  Can we talk about it then?20:04
mpanettaI am nose deep in salt right now :(20:04
malinimpanetta: I am here on friday, but will be out for a week starting monday20:05
mpanettaThat is fine :)20:06
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flaper87malini: why did you abandone the previous patch?20:22
* flaper87 doesn't get it20:22
maliniflaper87: even with journaling disabled I had to add a sleep to be able to onnect to mongo20:23
maliniit was still too slow20:23
maliniSO I added another patch tht wud add retries till a timeout20:23
flaper87mmh, did you try to find out what the issue was?20:24
flaper87it shouldn't do any preallocations or anything like that if journal is off20:24
maliniflaper87: as in why it could not connect?20:24
flaper87malini: as in why it took so long20:24
maliniflaper87: I did not..But I still have the server around if you want to look at it20:25
flaper87if you email me the user / passwd I'll do it tomorrow20:25
flaper87would that be ok?20:25
maliniflaper87: sure20:25
maliniits just a cloud server, I can blow away after you are done20:26
maliniflaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74467 is the retry patch20:26
flaper87malini: cool, thanks20:29
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