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| kgriffs | malini_afk: wrt cross-produce session with Marconi, I think we may be doing some of those already in the respective product tracks, but it would be great to get everyone together for one session as you say. | 13:08 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: not sure if you have the context of this discussion from yesterday, but if so, I'd love to get your thoughts. | 13:09 |
| alcabrera | Good morning! :) | 13:09 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I don't :( Mind sharing ? | 13:09 |
| flaper87 | GOOD MORNING PEOPLE | 13:09 |
| mpanetta | Ahh! | 13:10 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: One word, man: ZNC | 13:10 |
| kgriffs | :D | 13:10 |
| kgriffs | malini: " There are other OS projects interested in using marconi" | 13:10 |
| kgriffs | "dedicate a session to get them talk their needs, find areas marconi might need to improve to meet their needs etc" | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I have it, I just didn't read the logs today | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | I think it would be interesting but I guess 1 session for many projects will be confusing | 13:11 |
| flaper87 | I'd rather have 1 session for 1 specific use-case (swift) | 13:11 |
| flaper87 | and then do hallway sessions with other folks | 13:11 |
| flaper87 | Other projects that are interested: horizon, ceilometer | 13:11 |
| flaper87 | I think there's a session proposal for horizon | 13:11 |
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| kgriffs | there may be one also for heat - I talked to one of their core devs and he was thinking of proposing one | 13:12 |
| flaper87 | ah yeah heat too | 13:12 |
| flaper87 | and probably there's one for Trove | 13:12 |
| flaper87 | so, lot of interesting things but not much time | 13:13 |
| kgriffs | I have seen some chatter of their reluctance though since we aren't being integrated in this cycle. Chicken-and-egg problem. | 13:13 |
| flaper87 | I think we should pick one of those cases and dedicate time to that | 13:14 |
| flaper87 | obviously, invite other projects to participate to that session | 13:14 |
| flaper87 | I think those use-cases will overlap | 13:14 |
| kgriffs | do you know whether the Agent team has any session slots? | 13:14 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 13:14 |
| kgriffs | let me pull up the schedule | 13:14 |
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| kgriffs | there is one slot on tuesday for "other projects" | 13:15 |
| kgriffs | well, that will have to be hallway or project-pod discussion | 13:15 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: that sounds like a good plan | 13:15 |
| kgriffs | pick one that is fairly general that will have overlap | 13:16 |
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| malini | o/ | 13:20 |
| malini | good morning!! | 13:20 |
| Gammo | hello | 13:21 |
| mpanetta | Morning malini :) | 13:21 |
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| flaper87 | HELLO PEOPLE! | 13:25 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 13:25 |
| malini | \o/ | 13:26 |
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| kgriffs | malini: hi! | 13:31 |
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| kgriffs | I gotta run for a bit folks | 13:31 |
| kgriffs | malini: real quick, see flaper87's comments above re cross-project sessions | 13:31 |
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| malini | flaper87, kgriffs: it makes sense to have 1:1 discussions with specific projects | 13:33 |
| malini | The ideal would be to get a slot in their summit sessions | 13:33 |
| malini | But tht sounds wrong, since we will be using their slots :( | 13:33 |
| flaper87 | well, the ideal would be the inverse, I think | 13:39 |
| flaper87 | they getting a slot in our room | 13:39 |
| flaper87 | since we don't have any idea how they could benefit from marconi | 13:40 |
| flaper87 | or well, they inviting us | 13:40 |
| flaper87 | or we calling the president and ask him to issue an imediate session request | 13:40 |
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| flaper87 | or probably just do a dry-run of the world domination applied to the openstack summit | 13:40 |
| flaper87 | you get the idea | 13:40 |
| flaper87 | :D | 13:40 |
| mpanetta | Mmm world domination | 13:41 |
| mpanetta | We need to have a queue demo set up... | 13:41 |
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| malini | flaper87: 'since we don't have any idea how they could benefit from marconi' - we should probably spend some time on targeted projects to investigate how they could benefit from marconi | 13:47 |
| malini | basically it is on us to sell them marconi | 13:47 |
| malini | atleast for the first few buyers ;) | 13:47 |
| mpanetta | malini: We just need to let them all know just how much marconi rocks! ;) | 13:48 |
| flaper87 | malini: sure, what I meant is: We know what Marconi is good for, we don't know if project X needs it | 13:48 |
| malini | mpanetta: +1 | 13:48 |
| flaper87 | but I agree we should spend some time providing some ideas | 13:48 |
| malini | flaper87: what would be the best way to tackle this? | 13:49 |
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| malini | find some allies in the projects & start working with them before the summit? | 13:49 |
| mpanetta | I have a secret. I have been working on setting up a marconi FUSE filesystem, just as a toy. You could do queues in bash that way... | 13:50 |
| malini | mpanetta has another side!! | 13:50 |
| mpanetta | I called it marconis-fuse. Been working on it very slowly, not 100% sure what it would be good for other then a toy... | 13:50 |
| malini | toys are always interesting ;) | 13:50 |
| mpanetta | True :) | 13:50 |
| flaper87 | mpanetta: hehehe, awesome! :D | 13:51 |
| flaper87 | malini: not sure what the best way to do that is, not OTOH | 13:51 |
| flaper87 | that certainly requires time | 13:51 |
| malini | yes..lots of time | 13:51 |
| flaper87 | I think one good way to tackle this would be contributing to other OpenStack projects | 13:51 |
| flaper87 | that would help the project and ourselves | 13:52 |
| flaper87 | but again, that requires time | 13:52 |
| malini | it is a big trade off | 13:52 |
| flaper87 | I think we need to spend some more time on adding other things to marconi and trust other projects interest | 13:52 |
| malini | do we spend time making marconi better of promoting what we have now | 13:52 |
| flaper87 | that is, trust the fact that they're interested and they'll spend some time | 13:53 |
| flaper87 | we also have the issue that not being integrated is a huge penalty here | 13:53 |
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| malini | yeah..if other projects start using marconi, thta will bring us more credibility during grad reviews | 13:53 |
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| mpanetta | Can we get customer stories from the people we have using it now? | 13:55 |
| mpanetta | Would that help? | 13:55 |
| malini | mpanetta: I believe megan_w is working on tht | 13:55 |
| flaper87 | brb, meeting | 13:56 |
| mpanetta | Awesome | 13:56 |
| sriram | mpanetta: marconi FUSE sounds really cool :D | 14:01 |
| mpanetta | sriram: You think? | 14:03 |
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| kgriffs | malini, flaper87: so, the tricky part of all this will be finding a way to have other programs depend on marconi, but only optionally, until we graduate | 14:42 |
| kgriffs | if we can smooth the path for programs to do that, we will have 3-5 teams signing up right away | 14:43 |
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| kgriffs | we should have a wiki section all about this, with FAQ and everything | 14:44 |
| kgriffs | so when people say "we've been thinking about using marconi" we can give them a link | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | I personally don't think they need to wait for Marconi to graduate but I don't want to discuss now what 'integrated' should mean | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | That's to say, I'm fine with Marconi being optional but I don't think the reason should be: "because the project is not graduated" | 14:47 |
| malini | The word integrated should be banned | 14:47 |
| malini | it creates all the wrong impressions | 14:47 |
| kgriffs | makes sense | 14:47 |
| kgriffs | ok, so we should say "here is this feature you can turn on if you also deploy Marconi. Marconi is production-ready." | 14:48 |
| malini | But why would other projects want to do that? | 14:48 |
| malini | they can choose to use something else, & create new features without tht conditional statement | 14:48 |
| alcabrera | Obulpathi1: slides I promised: https://speakerdeck.com/cabrera/the-definitive-introduction-to-falcon | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | malini: because ideally, openstack projects shouldn't be opinionated | 14:49 |
| sriram | whoa alcabrera 214 slides.. :D | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | (note the conditionals in my sentence) | 14:50 |
| malini | :D | 14:50 |
| malini | I think the onus is on us to sell marconi to other projects | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: holy crap! 214 slides | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | :o | 14:50 |
| alcabrera | lol | 14:50 |
| malini | But flaper87 has a valid point -what do we focus on? | 14:50 |
| alcabrera | I have pandoc + markdown to thank for making that easy | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | and now I know what onus means | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:50 |
| malini | :D | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | I had no idea that word existed | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:51 |
| malini | I liked 'onus is on us' | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | exists | 14:51 |
| malini | let me google if it really exists :D | 14:51 |
| alcabrera | it exists. :P | 14:51 |
| malini | woohoo | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | malini: I already did | 14:51 |
| alcabrera | def. onus: duty or responsibility | 14:51 |
| alcabrera | noun | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | I don't trust your english, sorry | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | I thought that was a typo | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | (b)onus | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | but it didn't make sense | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:52 |
| alcabrera | the bonus is also on us | 14:52 |
| malini | (b)onus is certainly better than onus | 14:52 |
| alcabrera | and that bonus is part tarts | 14:52 |
| AAzza | Hi, everyone :) | 14:52 |
| alcabrera | poptarts, too | 14:52 |
| alcabrera | AAzza: heya! | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | did I hear tarts? | 14:52 |
| malini | hello AAzza! | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | POP TARTS | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | w00000000000000000t | 14:52 |
| alcabrera | tart you did | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: hey :D | 14:52 |
| alcabrera | atomic pop (tart) operations | 14:53 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: mind if I link to those slides from the Falcon docs? | 14:53 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: not at all. Go right ahead. :) | 14:54 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 14:55 |
| AAzza | Just wanted to say, if you have any task/bug/code imporvement to do, pls say me). I had two weeks writing essays, reports, blah-blah for university and reeeally want to do smth more useful ) | 14:55 |
| malini | AAzza: wooooot!! | 14:55 |
| malini | we have lots of all of that :) | 14:56 |
| malini | you get to pick ;) | 14:56 |
| kgriffs | I think horizon could be a good bet. Also we could talk to Barbican and Swift. | 14:57 |
| kgriffs | Horizon because Jay could help us there | 14:57 |
| malini | We should start labelling low hanging fruit bps | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I'm leaning towards horizon and swift | 14:57 |
| kgriffs | Barbican because I know the PTL | 14:57 |
| kgriffs | Swift because those guys kick *ss | 14:57 |
| kgriffs | :D | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: and people say we italians always work with mafias.... | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: re: "barbican because I know the PTL" | 14:58 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | I like horizons use case because it involves web too | 14:58 |
| malini | rally might also have a usecase | 14:59 |
| AAzza | malini: oh, glad to see. do you think https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1300881 it is ok to do? | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/collaborate | 15:00 |
| malini | AAzza: Tht will be a good one to investigate. I think the test client already has default headers. | 15:01 |
| malini | You can check that & mark as invalid if it already accepts default headers | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | oh, I also *really* like the Guest Agent use case. | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | it adds a bit of variety to the requirements | 15:01 |
| AAzza | malini: oh, okey, i'll check everything :) | 15:02 |
| malini | AAzza: Another one is to convert all functional test validations to use jsonschema. It will get rid of a lot of code in the tests , and will be an excellent intro to all Marconi APIs | 15:02 |
| AAzza | malini: sound really great :) will look next. i'll ask you about it later? or there is ticket for it? | 15:04 |
| malini | AAzza: no :-$ | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | jraim: is there a use case for Barbican that involves sending notifications to end users? | 15:05 |
| jraim | kgriffs: maybe in the revocation aspect of things, but I havne't thought that much about it yet | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | jraim: kk | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | d00d, what's up with pypy? | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/979061452dec2159d50f | 15:24 |
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| kgriffs | Submitted a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1305148 | 15:38 |
| AAzza | malini: if test_client is the one, who lives here https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/functional/http.py#L106 then no, there is no any default accept-header ) | 15:50 |
| AAzza | malini: so probably it should be added) the default value should be '*/*' ? | 15:53 |
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| malini | AAzza: I think that one is the mock response | 16:18 |
| malini | See https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/functional/helpers.py#L43 | 16:18 |
| malini | AAzza: But good point..we need the L#106 as well | 16:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/85834 | 16:56 |
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| AAzza | malini: recheck everything one more time, and yes, you were right, the default headers are set. | 17:11 |
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| malini | Thanks AAzza! can you update the bug? | 17:12 |
| AAzza | malini: yes, course. Just to ensure. This is the line, yes? https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/functional/base.py#L90 | 17:13 |
| malini | yes | 17:14 |
| AAzza | malini: what to do with bug, write a comment, that it is already ok and change the status? to what status?) | 17:14 |
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| malini | AAzza: yes..add your comments & mark it invalid | 17:16 |
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