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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Expose pymongo's SSL cert options  https://review.openstack.org/10074602:46
openstackgerritPeng Fei Wang proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Remove alphabetical sorting assumption in tests  https://review.openstack.org/10183002:52
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openstackgerritPrashanth Raghu proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implements Queue and Message Controllers for Redis  https://review.openstack.org/9717805:24
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openstackgerritPrashanth Raghu proposed a change to openstack/marconi: The patch has implementations for the Queue and Message controllers for the redis backend  https://review.openstack.org/9717805:33
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openstackgerritPeng Fei Wang proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Rename shard to pool  https://review.openstack.org/10211606:16
openstackgerritPeng Fei Wang proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Rename shard to pool  https://review.openstack.org/10211606:22
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openstackgerritPeng Fei Wang proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Remove alphabetical sorting assumption in tests  https://review.openstack.org/10183006:49
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wpfAAzza:  ping07:50
AAzzawpf: hello07:51
wpfAAzza:  just want to confirm one thing ,since I am newer to Python and marconi,  that when we use the "_(u'blabla')"  do we have to define the "blabla" in some file for i18n translation?07:52
AAzzawpf: Honestly I don't know specifically to openstack's translation, but from my experience, all this strings are automatically extracted from the files and are put to pot file. You shouldn't do it manually.07:57
wpfAAzza:  Thanks, I'd thought we need to modify the pot file manually07:59
AAzzawpf: I hope we shouldn't)08:01
wpfAAzza:  and commonly , we need all the messages string be called with "_()" ,right?  but not   "Exception(u('blabla'))08:02
AAzzawpf: yes,  all the messages visible to outside world, like validation errors should be. if the exception is very internal, i don't think we should do this :)08:11
wpfOk, thanks08:16
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vkmcmorning all (:12:12
openstackgerritAlex Bettadapur proposed a change to openstack/marconi: V1.1 Homedoc  https://review.openstack.org/9615912:29
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sriramGooood morning :)13:01
keith_newstadtflaper87: i looked the apis and it looks like kafka is a pretty good match for marconi13:02
vkmcmoooooooooooring sriram :)13:02
flaper87GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING13:02
flaper87It feels weird to say good morning when it's actually morning13:02
flaper87this never happens to me13:02
flaper87o.013:02
flaper87keith_newstadt: is it?13:03
flaper87AWESOME!13:03
keith_newstadtflaper87: my only question is whether the marconi model requires that messages be acknowledged13:03
keith_newstadtflaper87: or if they can expire after a period of time13:03
flaper87keith_newstadt: both ?13:03
sriramvkmc, flaper87 : morning :)13:03
flaper87keith_newstadt: so, Marconi's acknowledge model is based on delets13:03
flaper87deletes13:03
flaper87You can claim/lock a message so that no one else will pick it and then you'll delete it when you're done with it13:04
keith_newstadtflaper87: can you take a message without claiming/locking it, so that others can process it in parallel?13:04
flaper87keith_newstadt: yes13:04
keith_newstadtflaper87: and then it can expire after a period of time, so that it's removed automatically from the queue?13:05
flaper87keith_newstadt: it can expire or be deleted. it's up to the consumer13:06
flaper87keith_newstadt: how would claims be implemented in kafka?13:06
keith_newstadtflaper87: need to look into that more.  our application is more interested in parallel consumers, but we would need to support claims to meet the marconi spec13:07
keith_newstadtflaper87: you feel there's a hole there?13:07
flaper87keith_newstadt: I can't see how kafka will support the feed API. That is, accessing messages by id, deleting them, bulk claims, bulk deletes, etc. I don't know kafka so I'm just making assumptions13:11
flaper87AFAIK, Kafka's API is streamed13:11
flaper87and It doesn't sound like it would be able to fully-support Marconi's API13:11
keith_newstadtflaper87: goes back to kurt's question - do we want a partial implementation of kafka if that's all we can get?13:13
flaper87keith_newstadt: AFAIK, last time we talked about it the answer was no. We don't want partially-implemented drivers on v1.1, hence the blog post about AMQP being a no-go for Marconi.13:14
flaper87It may make sense for an hypothetical API v213:14
keith_newstadtflaper87: hm.  this is something we need so we'll likely implement it.  how far off is the hypothetical v2 api?13:17
keith_newstadtflaper87: if we build something, we'd like to do it in a way that it's useful to the community as well13:18
keith_newstadtflaper87: and so if you're interested, i'd love to have your guidance on that13:19
keith_newstadtflaper87: gotta go.  talk more later.13:20
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flaper87keith_newstadt: I'm definitely interested. My recomendation would be to start doing it in an external repo, get it going and see how much this driver can support the API13:33
flaper87keith_newstadt: the driver doesn't have to wait for API v2, what I'm suggesting is to wait to v2 to make the final decision to merge in the code base drivers that implement the API partially13:34
flaper87TBH, I dream of a driver-less Marconi repository. I'd love to have *all* drivers outside Marconi's code base and let deployers choose what they want to install13:34
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openstackgerritAlex Bettadapur proposed a change to openstack/marconi: V1.1 Homedoc  https://review.openstack.org/9615914:19
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kgriffs_hello shiny happy people14:44
* kgriffs_ got some new CDs 14:44
* kgriffs_ is happy14:45
* kgriffs_ still uses CDs because can remember what music used to sound like14:45
abettadapurkgriffs_: CDs are still the best :)14:50
kgriffs_I just got Rush's 2011 remaster of Moving Pictures - comes with a CD plus a DVD audio version - looks like the latter offers straight PCM tracks, and I can't wait to give it a listen. :D14:51
kgriffs_right now I'm listening to Phoenix.14:51
openstackgerritAlex Bettadapur proposed a change to openstack/marconi: V1.1 Functional Tests  https://review.openstack.org/9329514:51
abettadapurnice!14:52
abettadapurwhich Phoenix album?14:52
kgriffs_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Phoenix14:53
kgriffs_working from home today, so I get to use my BIG speakers. :D14:53
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Rename shard to pool  https://review.openstack.org/10211614:53
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abettadapurahh great album14:55
abettadapurthe build in "sunset I" is incredible every time14:55
kgriffs_http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000V2SEXW14:55
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Fix two caching-related comments in the code  https://review.openstack.org/9971214:55
abettadapuryou weren't kidding... ha14:56
kgriffs_next time you are in Austin come over and we'll listen to some tunes. :D14:56
kgriffs_brb for the meeting14:56
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kgriffsmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeting14:58
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flaper87o/15:37
AAzzagood evening all :)15:41
malini1hello AAzza15:41
malini1we are all at #openstack-meeting-alt15:41
malini1you could join there, for the team meeting15:42
kgriffssomeone grab the minutes?16:02
malini1got them16:03
kgriffsthanks!16:03
srirambe back soon, lunch.16:03
prashanthr_guess will have to go to sleep a bit early today. My eyes watering non-stop. Something's wrong :( Have a great day ahead :).16:04
* kgriffs sends malini1 a fresh Pop-Tart™16:04
kgriffsprashanthr_: sorry to hear that. take care!16:04
malini1yum..yummm...16:04
vkmcboo prashanthr_, sounds like you need some sleep, take care!16:04
kgriffslet's see16:04
malini1prashanthr_: hope you feel better soon!16:04
prashanthr_thank you all. Bye.16:04
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kgriffsthree topics I'd like to discuss16:05
kgriffs1. per-project defaults16:05
kgriffs2. dropping pylint16:05
kgriffs3. benchmark work16:06
malini1kgriffs: 4th topic - We need to get into the TC schedule for quarter/mid whatever graduation review16:06
kgriffs4. schedule16:06
kgriffs4. schedule TC review thing16:07
flaper87malini1: the TC review should happen outside the TC meeting16:07
flaper87we need to talk with Devananda first16:07
flaper87and then figure out what to do16:07
kgriffsyep16:07
malini1flaper87: sure - we need to staet talking to whoever16:08
malini1start16:08
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kgriffsonce the tempest patches are merged, the other big thing is a non-AGPL driver with feature parity to mongodb16:09
malini1I dont feel good abt waiting for the tempest patch to be merged16:09
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malini1It is in a good shape - but we cannot guarantee when it wud be merged16:09
kgriffsi think we also have to beef up our user guide a bit - we are supposed to have every config option documented, for example16:09
malini1hopefully this week, but I wont be surprised if it takes another 2 months to be merged16:10
kgriffsmalini1: sure, I don't think we have to wait on this stuff, but we should have a rough idea of where we are16:10
kgriffsi've seen other projects set up an etherpad to help track latest status16:10
kgriffsmalini1: yikes!16:10
kgriffslet's hope not. :p16:10
malini1kgriffs: track status w.r.t tempest tests?16:10
kgriffseverything we need to finish up for graduation16:11
malini1ok16:11
kgriffsoh, forgot the rename16:11
malini1kgriffs: sorry ..I hijacked your topic list16:13
kgriffshttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/naav-graduation16:15
kgriffsmalini1, flaper87, flwang: ^^^16:15
malini1kgriffs: does the renaming need to happen before graduation?16:15
kgriffsyes16:15
kgriffsactually... hmmm16:16
malini1:(16:16
kgriffsit may be that we only need to have the check done on the trademark, but during the following cycle we can rename16:16
kgriffs"Project must have no known trademark issues"16:17
kgriffslooks like it is a requirement16:17
kgriffs#link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/incubation-integration-requirements.rst16:17
malini1kgriffs: I will quit slacking off on the renaming bp :(16:18
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kgriffsheh, kk16:22
kgriffs3. benchmark work. flaper87, AAzza16:22
flaper87and sriram16:23
kgriffssriram: did you leave for lunch already?16:23
flaper87So, I proposed AAzza to contribute to the benchmark tool16:23
flaper87kgriffs: I think he did16:23
malini1he did16:23
kgriffsah, ok.16:23
malini1He is usually back pretty soon - hopefully by the time we re done discussing other topics16:24
flaper87ok, lets put this topic on hold16:24
kgriffsthe first patch that is up there is still pretty basic. we can follow it up with something that polishes a bit. Also, I want to make it spit out gnuplot or JSON or something and set up a graph16:24
kgriffsbut yeah, we can wait for a bit until sriram is back16:25
flaper87gtg, guys. can you follow up with sriram and AAzza ?16:25
flaper87thanks a lot16:25
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kgriffs2. vkmc: dropping pylint16:26
vkmcyes... as discussed with kgriffs yesterday, we are hitting tons of false positives16:27
vkmcI don't have enough experience to decide to drop it, so I'd like your feedback about it16:27
malini1vkmc: false positive as in ?16:28
vkmcfor instance http://paste.openstack.org/show/84737/16:29
kgriffsI think pylint is a "nice to have" but between flake8 and all our tests, we should be able to catch any issues. I'd like to get to 100% branch coverage to be sure we don't have any silly typos or anything.16:29
vkmcsix.moves has an urlparse_lib function16:29
vkmcand pylint is reporting it16:29
vkmcand a lot like that, I could make a summary :)16:31
malini1vkmc: nope..I was just trying to get more context16:31
malini1thank you!!16:31
vkmcmalini, ok :) ty!16:31
kgriffsmalini1: btw, that incubation etherpad is linked now from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi#Administrivia16:32
malini1thanks kgriffs!16:33
kgriffsvkmc: I'm +2 for just removing pylint altogether16:33
vkmcok :)16:33
vkmcmalini1, what do you think about it?16:33
malini1vkmc: & I don't have much idea abt it.  So I will refrain from commenting :D16:33
vkmcok16:33
kgriffsI went ahead and scheduled this for j-3. If it doesn't get done in time, it should be high priority for k-1.16:33
kgriffshttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/one-hundred-percent-coverage16:33
vkmcthanks guys!16:34
malini1thanks vkmc!16:34
kgriffshmmm. so for "1. per-project defaults" I need flaper87. :p16:34
kgriffsI will put that on the meeting agenda or use the ML16:34
openstackgerritMalini Kamalambal proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement POP in v1.1 API  https://review.openstack.org/9020216:38
sriramback16:40
sriramkgriffs: ping16:41
kgriffsyo16:41
kgriffsso, I was just thinking we should create a new blueprint for benchmark reporting16:41
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kgriffswe have your current patch16:41
kgriffsnext patch should make it so we can do the following16:42
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kgriffs1. run marconi-bench N times, increasing the load by Z each time16:42
kgriffs2. for each run, right out the data16:42
kgriffswrite16:42
kgriffsthen graph the result and write to disk. later we can have it upload to swift or something16:43
sriramthat would be amazing :)16:43
kgriffs3. ^^16:43
kgriffs4. take the "watermark" and plot that over time16:43
kgriffsso, each time we do 1-3 we have a point on our graph. that will show us how our "best" is trending over time16:44
kgriffssomething like that. :p16:44
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vkmcbrb lunch!16:45
kgriffssriram, AAzza: what do you think?16:45
sriramthis looks good.16:45
AAzzayes, plan is understandable :)16:46
sriramthe other thing about really high load, the consumer seems to act finicky, hitting too many requests and stallling, once it exhausts claiming and deleting of messages.16:47
sriramI'd like some comments there.16:47
sriramI'm trying to get that fixed.16:48
AAzzashould we analyze only `load` or different configuration (just cannot quickly come up with what configuration it could be)?16:48
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sriramkgriffs: the plan looks good though :)16:48
sriramAAzza: good point16:48
sriramI think we can start off with load, and look at different run configurations16:49
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AAzzasriram: yes, of course, just want to dive a little bit in topic, since I have almost no context about the task ;)16:50
AAzzabrb16:51
sriramAAzza: that's fine :)16:51
kgriffsre configurations, we can just start with a single scenario (producer-consumer full bore) and single driver (mongodb)16:52
kgriffssriram: re finicky, I'd have to get some more details, but first thing to check would be running out of sockets and stuff16:52
kgriffson all the boxes, we need to tune some kernel params16:53
kgriffshttps://gist.github.com/kgriffs/402783516:53
kgriffshttp://www.nateware.com/linux-network-tuning-for-2013.html16:53
kgriffsactually, the mongodb nodes should be fine16:53
kgriffsweb heads and load generators will need tuning16:53
kgriffsin any case...16:54
sriramkgriffs: all right, yes I have been increasing the file descriptors.16:54
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sriramI'll look at tuning.16:54
kgriffssriram: I was thinking that AAzza could work on a "reporting" patch and you could work on getting the benchmark cluster set up16:54
sriramsounds good. I had been making headway on that sometime back.16:55
kgriffsok. BTW, I just saw that HAProxy 1.5 finally got released16:55
kgriffswould be good to upgrade to the latest haproxy, mongodb, and python 2.7.716:55
kgriffsand uwsgi16:56
kgriffsanyway, upgrade all the things!16:56
sriramhaha yes.16:56
kgriffswhen we publish the benchmarks we will want to carefully document the version of all packages installed on the systems16:56
kgriffslinux as well as python packages16:56
kgriffssriram: would you mind registering a blueprint for the reporting work?16:57
kgriffssriram: just ping me with the link and I can triage it16:57
kgriffsor malini16:57
sriramsure, I'll look at it.16:58
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kgriffsthanks!17:00
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AAzzai'm back, if you are still here)17:04
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abettadapurkgriffs: hey. i submitted the headers patch17:21
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sriramkgriffs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/gen-bench-reports17:22
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abettadapursomeone mentioned that the errors should be internationalized17:22
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kgriffssriram_afk: thanks!17:41
kgriffsabettadapur: ok, I'll take a look17:42
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openstackgerritMalini Kamalambal proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement POP in v1.1 API  https://review.openstack.org/9020217:56
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kgriffsmalini: ping18:20
malini1kgriffs: pong18:21
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kgriffsit works!18:21
malini1:D18:21
kgriffsmalini: I have a new ZNC box set up18:21
malini1yayyyy!!18:21
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malini1I was abt to email you ..but kept being lazy :D18:22
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malini1Can I get the server info plz?18:22
kgriffsyep, one minute18:22
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kgriffsquiet today19:52
* kgriffs goes to do some reviews19:53
kgriffsmalini: around?19:56
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kgriffsabettadapur: around?20:08
abettadapurkgriffs: hello20:09
kgriffshey! someone else is alive!20:09
abettadapur:d20:09
* kgriffs sighs with relief20:09
abettadapur:D20:09
kgriffsso...20:09
kgriffshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/93295/20:09
kgriffsjust one quick note in the commit message20:09
abettadapurahh20:09
abettadapurgotcvha20:09
abettadapurone sec ill amend it20:10
kgriffsok, hopefully it will preserve the +220:10
kgriffsnot a big deal, but i just didn't want the patch to automatically close the blueprint when it merged, since there is still some work to do20:10
openstackgerritAlex Bettadapur proposed a change to openstack/marconi: V1.1 Functional Tests  https://review.openstack.org/9329520:11
abettadapurkgriffs: looks like it went to PS15, probably need the +2s again20:12
kgriffsbooh20:12
kgriffsthat's OK. I can approve the patch based on the previous +220:12
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kgriffsabettadapur: thanks, btw! This is a super important patch20:14
abettadapurkgriffs: my pleasure :)20:16
kgriffsok, I've got to go drive to the office. be back in ~30 mins and we should have the jenkins vote by then20:18
kgriffso/20:18
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/10212720:44
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kgriffshow's it going? Getting settled in to the new place?21:15
flwangkgriffs: yep, almost21:25
flwangkgriffs: I saw you mentioned the v1.1 request/response21:25
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flwangkgriffs: i think it would be nice if somebody can balance one/two of them in j-2, i'm afraid of my bandwidth, sorry about that21:26
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kgriffsno worries, I understand how it goes. I can just unassign them and if anyone is looking for something to do I can point them that direction21:30
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flwangkgriffs: thanks for the understanding, kgriffs21:32
flwangkgriffs: I assume I can have more time in J-321:32
kgriffssounds good. we have plenty to do!21:33
flwangthe move and difference is bigger than I imagined, TBH21:33
kgriffsit's a big move, that's for sure21:34
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kgriffsok folks, gonna go write some code. ttfn! o/21:46
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: V1.1 Functional Tests  https://review.openstack.org/9329522:02
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