Tuesday, 2020-10-13

openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-masakariclient master: Remove usage of six  https://review.opendev.org/75745301:27
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yoctozeptoyoctozepto jopdorp suzhengwei - meeting in 8 minutes06:52
jopdorpThanks for the reminder!06:54
yoctozepto#startmeeting masakari07:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 13 07:01:00 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yoctozepto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'masakari'07:01
yoctozepto#topic Roll-call07:01
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yoctozeptoo/07:01
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yoctozepto(do note whatever you write in roll-call is fine; it's just to encourage ppl to announce their presence)07:02
jopdorp\m/ this then07:04
yoctozeptoxD07:05
yoctozeptosuzhengwei: around?07:05
yoctozepto#topic Agenda07:07
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yoctozepto* Roll-call07:07
yoctozepto* Agenda07:07
yoctozepto* Announcements07:07
yoctozepto  ** Victoria release this week! https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html07:07
yoctozepto  ** Virtual OpenStack Infrastructure Summit is right the next week: https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/07:08
yoctozepto  ** Masakari Wallaby vPTG planned (in just two weeks! next masakari meeting cancelled): https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/masakari-wallaby-vptg07:08
yoctozepto* Review action items from the last meeting07:08
yoctozepto* CI status07:08
yoctozepto* Backports pending reviews07:08
suzhengweiI am07:08
yoctozepto* Critical Bugs and Patches07:08
yoctozepto* Release planning07:08
yoctozepto* Open discussion07:08
yoctozeptohi suzhengwei07:08
suzhengweihi07:08
yoctozepto#topic Announcements07:08
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yoctozepto#info Victoria release this week! https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html07:08
yoctozeptoso we made it with RC1 so far; the project is pretty dormant so that was not exactly unexpected07:09
yoctozeptoany thoughts on the Victoria release?07:09
jopdorpwhat needs to be done for it still?07:10
yoctozeptojopdorp: release approved07:13
yoctozeptobut if you are asking about masakari, then we have loads of ideas :-)07:14
yoctozeptojust not enough hands/time to deliver07:14
yoctozepto#info Virtual OpenStack Infrastructure Summit is right the next week: https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/07:14
yoctozeptoyou can still register as far as I know07:14
yoctozeptoit's a week-long online event07:15
yoctozeptoyou might find something interesting to you07:15
jopdorpyeah07:15
yoctozepto#info Masakari Wallaby vPTG planned (in just two weeks! next masakari meeting cancelled): https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/masakari-wallaby-vptg07:16
yoctozeptothis is *the* most important announcement today07:17
jopdorpI'll be there07:17
suzhengweime too07:17
yoctozepto\o/07:18
jopdorp\m/07:18
yoctozeptoplease add/review items on that page even before the sessions start07:19
yoctozeptoit is more productive this way07:19
yoctozeptoI did mine, I saw suzhengwei did as well07:20
jopdorpok, I'll think about it07:21
yoctozeptothanks07:22
yoctozepto#topic Review action items from the last meeting07:22
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yoctozeptolet me find it07:22
yoctozeptooh, there were none07:23
yoctozeptoso 100% success07:23
yoctozepto(beat it)07:23
jopdorp\m/07:23
yoctozepto#CI status07:23
yoctozepto#topic CI status07:23
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yoctozeptonot much happening; the last runs were green happy07:24
yoctozeptoso GREEN07:24
yoctozepto#topic Backports pending reviews07:24
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yoctozeptonot only backports, but all stable pending changes:07:25
yoctozepto#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/(project:openstack/masakari+OR+project:openstack/masakari-monitors+OR+project:openstack/python-masakariclient+OR+project:openstack/masakari-dashboard)+status:open+-branch:master07:25
yoctozepto^ please review the above, they are one vote away from merging (I did my part!)07:25
jopdorpwill do07:26
yoctozepto#topic Critical Bugs and Patches07:28
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yoctozeptoand there are none - I will remove this point from the agenda next time if I can't hear any objections - I believe these can still be discussed during the open discussion (if they ever happen)07:29
jopdorpok07:30
suzhengweiok07:31
yoctozepto#topic Release planning07:35
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yoctozeptowell, it has been planned; for wallaby please remember about participating in the ptg :-)07:35
suzhengweiyoctozepto: Do we need reno for bugfix in V?07:40
suzhengweiThere is no releasenote for bugfix patch.07:40
yoctozeptosuzhengwei: if it went like this (e.g. this is backport) already, then we don't need it07:43
yoctozeptofor all new ones we should strive to get renos because they increase the visibility of all (and others) efforts07:43
yoctozeptoand show that the project is actively maintained07:43
yoctozepto#topic Open discussion07:44
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yoctozepto(I missed to switch the topic)07:44
yoctozeptoplease go on with any things you want07:44
jopdorpi was wondering what a ptg looks like07:45
jopdorpis  like working together in a virtual office on the project for a couple of days07:45
jopdorp?07:45
jopdorplike a hackathon or something?07:45
suzhengweiMore like a project video meeting.07:47
jopdorpanother thing is, we are looking into how to decrease failover times, to minimize downtime for our edge locations when they lose power07:47
jopdorpsuzhengwei: okay07:47
jopdorpI'd be up for tha on a more regular basis too07:48
suzhengweiThat is a good point which I study recently too.07:49
jopdorpit's a more direct way of communicating which is good for efficiency and motivation, and getting to know the team better07:50
yoctozeptosuzhengwei, jopdorp: we can do video meetings regularly, yes; we do it with kolla as well; need to schedule right time though07:51
jopdorpboth of you use kolla too?07:51
jopdorpmaybe we could change the default config in kolla to make failover times faster07:52
yoctozeptojopdorp: I develop kolla but kolla should be discussed in #openstack-kolla ;-)07:52
jopdorpI was looking at this one https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732477/3/specs/victoria/approved/promotion-for-large-scale-hosts-failure.rst07:52
jopdorpI think it does make sense to prioritize instances07:53
yoctozeptoyeah, suzhengwei has some nice ideas in specs already07:53
jopdorpor example if a client has a kubernetes cluster, prioritize failover for master over workers07:53
jopdorpwhat about adding hosts automtically back to pacemaker when they come back up?07:54
jopdorpI've been working with a test environment which is very unstable, to test out failover approach07:55
jopdorpand had to remove and re add the host from pacemaker every time we test a failover07:56
jopdorpalso had to reenable it in nova and set on maintenance back to false07:57
jopdorpalso I'm thinking about automatically moving instances back to the failed hosts they came from after a set period of time07:58
yoctozeptojopdorp: well, it's a protection measure against flops07:58
yoctozeptoflops are worse07:58
jopdorpwhat is a flop?07:58
yoctozeptojopdorp: flaps* (/me broken)07:59
jopdorphaha07:59
jopdorpwhat is a flap?07:59
yoctozeptoit is a situation where the instability causes the node to be repeated up/down07:59
jopdorpyeah07:59
yoctozeptocausing the environment to recalculate each time07:59
jopdorpmaybe the set period of time can fesolve that08:00
yoctozeptoand wasting more time on constant moves rather than keeping it simple08:00
jopdorpresolve08:00
jopdorpwait 48 hours for example08:00
yoctozeptooperator should really monitor the infrastructure and act accordingly08:00
jopdorpthe main goal for me would be to have instances move back to the failed nodes after some time08:00
yoctozeptowell, at least that's the common consensus08:00
yoctozepto(and it's more about pacemaker itself than masakari)08:00
yoctozepto(we can also consider consul for masakari)08:00
jopdorpbecause in our infrastructure failure is expected on leaf(edge) nodes08:00
yoctozeptobut we are out of time today08:01
jopdorpwhich run at locations outside of regular datacenters08:01
yoctozeptojopdorp: add these points to the ptg discussion please08:01
yoctozeptothank you for coming, jopdorp, suzhengwei08:01
jopdorpwill do!08:01
jopdorpthanks08:01
yoctozepto#endmeeting08:01
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