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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | Hello Horizon folks | 16:00 |
| lblanchard | hey all | 16:00 |
| jpich | Hey | 16:00 |
| t_mazur | hello o/ | 16:00 |
| akrivoka | hi | 16:00 |
| jcoufal-mobile | _o/ | 16:00 |
| mrunge | good morning | 16:00 |
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| jomara_ | ahoy | 16:00 |
| lsmola_ | hello | 16:00 |
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| jrist | what does one say to greet the 1600 UTC time | 16:01 |
| jrist | I suppose evenin' | 16:01 |
| matty_dubs | Good day! | 16:01 |
| jpich | Hello is a safe one too :-) | 16:01 |
| amotoki | hello | 16:02 |
| jpich | Greetings | 16:02 |
| doug-fish | Greetings! | 16:02 |
| doug-fish | aww. | 16:02 |
| jpich | hah :P | 16:02 |
| rdopieralski | jrist: have a cup | 16:02 |
| jrist | cheers! | 16:02 |
| matty_dubs | jrist: But hey, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, so 'Good evening' works! ;) | 16:02 |
| julim | hi all | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | I don't have a lot of general info today since we're proceeding the project meeting now | 16:02 |
| rdopieralski | matty_dubs: it's actually 5 here on the continent | 16:03 |
| akrivoka | it's 5 pm in most of Europe | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | On the plus side, the gate is back in good condition and the stable branches are also open | 16:03 |
| t_mazur | Here we have 8pm instead of 2am | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | Several items have merged in the last week | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | So the frustration level should hopefully be subsiding | 16:04 |
| mrunge | it's good to know, stable branches are back to merge things | 16:04 |
| mrunge | that was not the case for the previous weeks | 16:04 |
| jpich | Many thanks to the people who worked hard to address the gate bugs, on master and stable | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | yes, once the milestone mass push went through, the required fixes could trickle in | 16:05 |
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| david-lyle | jpich: absolutely a lot of people have spent a great amount of time keeping things moving | 16:06 |
| amotoki | one of the reason of failures of neutron isolated jobs seems to hit kernel bug :-( | 16:06 |
| jpich | amotoki: ouch | 16:06 |
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| mrunge | amotoki, wow, that must be interesting to debug, though | 16:07 |
| * mrunge wonders, if that even differs from environment to environment | 16:07 | |
| david-lyle | #topic Icehouse-3 | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Icehouse-3 (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:08 | |
| amotoki | salvatore and russelb did great jobs. but nobody has identified why. | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | This is extremely overloaded | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | And I need to start paring it back to reality | 16:08 |
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| david-lyle | RBAC is moving along and should make it | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | UX enhancement is also on track | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | Django 1.6 needs to get done in icehouse | 16:10 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I don't think I can finish the separation | 16:10 |
| jpich | The "Low" priority blueprints are not really being tracked for the release though, aren't they? It seems only a little (!) overloaded if we don't consider them | 16:10 |
| amotoki | i have a quesiton on django 1.6 support for havana. it can be discussed later. | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | The only thing blocking there is I want to get another release of django-openstack-auth that uses keystone v3 by default for authorization | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | Once that's in we can propose the openstack/requirements change | 16:11 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I'll add that to the blueprint; lots of javascript is required to move out for separation. | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | volume backups is stalled and needs a refactoring and is at risk at this point | 16:12 |
| lsmola_ | david-lyle: i will sent you update about ceilometer bps in a week | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | Can others give me an idea if the bps assigned to you still make sense for icehouse and are likely | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | Most service teams are going to feature freeze on Feb 18 | 16:13 |
| lsmola_ | david-lyle: so far it doesn't seems that many patches in Ceilometer I need will land, or will land to late | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | I think this may be a bit premature for us | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | lsmola_: I may them all out then | 16:13 |
| lsmola_ | david-lyle: ok | 16:14 |
| mrunge | I like the idea of a common feature freeze | 16:14 |
| lsmola_ | david-lyle: we can put them back if something changes | 16:14 |
| mrunge | to focus on bug fixing | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | And just to make sure everyone's clear if something is moved out, that doesn't block it from coming back in if it's ready | 16:14 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge, I do too, but 3 weeks is not much time | 16:14 |
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| mrunge | david-lyle, I absolutely agree | 16:15 |
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| doug-fish | david-lyle: okay, so I'm new here, but what does it matter if something is moved out or not then? (trying to get a handle on how we decide what is in or not) | 16:15 |
| doug-fish | is "moving out" just a way that we communicate with each other? | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | I think it's a good target, but Feb 18-March 5 I will be more likely to make an exception | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish release planning | 16:16 |
| jpich | I'm happy with the progress on the integration tests, I think it'll be ready on time with a first set of tests (it's pretty self-contained and doesn't really affect the rest of the code base anyway so unlikely to be an issue). Cinder v2 support probably should be a blueprint too and is going well so far | 16:16 |
| jpich | doug-fish: Icehouse-3 is the last milestone of the cycle so features that don't make it by the feature freeze deadline and get "moved out" of the list won't be included in Icehouse | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: icehouse has 3 iterations in the release, we are in the third now, soon to finish. Getting moved out at this point would mean your feature will not be part of the integrated icehouse release | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | For places doing CI, this is not a big deal | 16:17 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle, but didn't you suggest that even if its moved out, if its delivered in a timely manner it could still be delivered? | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | Anything moved out will be targeted to Juno | 16:18 |
| doug-fish | I don't want to derail the meeting too long with my novice questions. Maybe I'll bring it up later in the regular channel. | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | sure, let's take it offline | 16:18 |
| doug-fish | great. thx | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | it's really about setting release expectations | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | jpich: awesome | 16:19 |
| amotoki | doug-fish: UNLESS the feature moved out is VERY important as a community. | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | jpich: so that will be a tempest review? | 16:19 |
| jpich | david-lyle: We decided at summit to have in the horizon repo to begin with, while we learn to write robust UI-driven tests | 16:20 |
| * david-lyle suffers short and long term memory loss | 16:20 | |
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| david-lyle | jpich: thanks for the reminder | 16:21 |
| jpich | david-lyle: I have a review up in openstack/horizon for running the tests, just chatting with a couple of people who had offered help writing the tests themselves then we'll start posting them in a 2nd review | 16:21 |
| jpich | david-lyle: No worries! It's fresh in my mind atm :-) | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | jpich: thanks for the hard work here | 16:21 |
| jpich | :) | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: how are we looking on the separation? | 16:22 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, well. looots of javascript stuff needs to go away | 16:22 |
| mrunge | and I don't think, I can handle that in icehouse-3 | 16:22 |
| mrunge | all that js should be moved out | 16:23 |
| mrunge | good thing is: we can do that step by step | 16:23 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: so we may need to bump? I think the js is a big effort, but a requirement for the split to work properly | 16:23 |
| mrunge | yupp | 16:24 |
| mrunge | I think, all that js is too much to handle here | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | yeah | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | summit topic for sure | 16:24 |
| mrunge | e.g. we bundle jquery 1.7 | 16:24 |
| mrunge | which is ancient | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | yes | 16:24 |
| jpich | mrunge: Would additional hands maybe help, if there are people who can volunteer the time? | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | but i-3 is too late to start changing all that | 16:25 |
| mrunge | jpich, definitely | 16:25 |
| mrunge | and tasks are doable in parallel | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | well, lets see how things progress, if anyone wants to lend mrunge some help, please contact him | 16:26 |
| david-lyle | jomara_: heat still on target? | 16:26 |
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| jomara_ | david-lyle: yeah! no issues road blocking me at the moment other than my own incompetence! | 16:26 |
| * jpich rereading the blueprint - I forgot we want to depend on python libraries instead of bundling too | 16:26 | |
| mrunge | jpich, for what bp? | 16:27 |
| jomara_ | david-lyle: if any of those bps become risky time wise, ill let you know | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | jomara_: thanks | 16:27 |
| jpich | mrunge: the separation bp at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/separate-horizon-from-dashboard | 16:27 |
| mrunge | ah yes. | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | ok, any other bp or bug updates for icehouse? | 16:28 |
| mrunge | that just moves bundling out of horizon.... jpich^ | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: we can tackle parts for icehouse too, and leave the remainder for juno | 16:29 |
| amotoki | I see RBAC for network is proposed as a part of neutron feature (router snat). | 16:29 |
| mrunge | sounds like a plan for me david-lyle | 16:29 |
| amotoki | I think It should be done as a separate patch. | 16:29 |
| jpich | mrunge: I wonder if this should be a separate blueprint? | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: not sure I follow | 16:29 |
| amotoki | I will comment it on the bp. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54276/ it has no reference to BP | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | does neutron not support policy already? I may have made a bad assumption | 16:30 |
| amotoki | neutron itself supports policy already. | 16:31 |
| amotoki | the patch is for horizon. | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | amotoki correct | 16:31 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: so your assumption is correct. | 16:32 |
| * david-lyle wonders how to spin luck to look like knowledge | 16:32 | |
| david-lyle | ok, we haven't started digging into the RBAC checks in neutron yet, but hope to this week. | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | The initial bp is just to guard the actions in the table view | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | more extensive support is to follow in separate bp | 16:33 |
| amotoki | agree. | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: excellent | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | #topic Integration of Tuskar UI | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration of Tuskar UI (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:34 | |
| david-lyle | into the Horizon Program | 16:35 |
| jrist | new Gerrit workflow? | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | launchpad now has a tuskar-ui drivers group that includes existing tuskar-ui core and horizon core | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | gerrit is now gated by horizon-core, I will work with infra to see if we can add another group | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | I haven't pinged them about it yet because they've been just a little busy holding things together :) | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | so right now, if a tuskar-ui patch is reviewed and ready to merge ping me or another horizon core and we will review and approve | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | I'll let you know when I find out more from infra on what is possible | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | But tuskar-ui is now officially part of the Horizon program as far as OpenStack is concerned | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | questions? | 16:38 |
| jpich | yay, welcome :D | 16:38 |
| jcoufal | alright, thank you david-lyle for all this work | 16:38 |
| jcoufal | \o/ | 16:38 |
| tzumainn | awesome, thanks! | 16:38 |
| akrivoka | great, thanks David for making it happen | 16:39 |
| lsmola_ | yaaaay | 16:39 |
| jrist | woot woot | 16:39 |
| jtomasek | cool! | 16:39 |
| lsmola_ | thanks david-lyle | 16:39 |
| amotoki | for horizon reviews: the following search pattern in gerrit will help you all: | 16:40 |
| amotoki | status:open (project:openstack/horizon OR project:openstack/django_openstack_auth OR project:openstack/tuskar-ui) | 16:40 |
| lsmola_ | cool | 16:40 |
| t_mazur | amotoki: thanks! | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | We are also looking at setting up a separate weekly meeting for tuskar-ui, roughly around the same time, but on a different day | 16:40 |
| * jpich uses the Watched category | 16:40 | |
| david-lyle | to make sure both get enough time | 16:40 |
| akrivoka | amotoki: thanks, that's helpful | 16:41 |
| * david-lyle is watching way too many projects | 16:41 | |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: if that's needed, we will try to figure out more details this week | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | So we'll work that out and send an email to the mailing list | 16:42 |
| jcoufal | yup | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | #topic Free for all | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Free for all (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:42 | |
| jcoufal | :) nice topic | 16:42 |
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| amotoki | the next havana stable release will be freeze this week: Jan 31. | 16:44 |
| doug-fish | This is one of the most restrained fre for alls I have ever seen | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: are you handling the strings for this? | 16:44 |
| amotoki | i haven't yet. I can take care of it. | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | let me know if you want someone else to take it on | 16:45 |
| amotoki | thanks. | 16:45 |
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| amotoki | i see backport patch series of django 1.6 support for stable/havana. | 16:45 |
| jpich | amotoki: Thanks, for handling the strings | 16:46 |
| amotoki | do we add django 1.6 support for havana? | 16:46 |
| jpich | This sounds more like adding a new feature, and not really appropriate for a backport, imo | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | I think the need would be based on how likely existing installs will update their django version | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | which I wouldn't think is very likely | 16:47 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge, amotoki: do you have a strong opinion here | 16:48 |
| mrunge | oh yes | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | just checking :) | 16:48 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/horizon+branch:stable/havana,n,z | 16:49 |
| mrunge | there is a change, which makes it incompatible with earlier havana | 16:49 |
| mrunge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66253/ | 16:49 |
| mrunge | the middleware change changes the cookie | 16:50 |
| amotoki | no strong opinion on it, but mrunge's point is important. | 16:50 |
| mrunge | which would become a pain for users | 16:50 |
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| mrunge | if that is improved, I'd be ok with it | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | sounds like a questionable enough change to leave out | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | the option is there for deployers to cherry-pick if this is important to them | 16:52 |
| mrunge | if that part of the change is not applied, the whole backport does not make sense at all | 16:52 |
| jpich | Agreed. A backward incompatible change that will cause issues to any user with a session cookie doesn't sound appropriate for backporting | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | right | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, I was referring to all | 16:52 |
| mrunge | I think that was MaxV to introduce this | 16:52 |
| amotoki | and I am not sure django 1.6 support works without new openstack_auth release. I don't follow the status. | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: good point | 16:53 |
| david-lyle | to much change for a backport 75% of the way to the next release | 16:53 |
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| MaxV | hi all o/ | 16:54 |
| mrunge | hey MaxV, could you please elaborate, why you're trying to backport patches for django-1.6 to havana? | 16:54 |
| mrunge | it's a rather huge backport, so there must be a good reason for this | 16:55 |
| MaxV | mrunge: zigo (a debian packager) tried to install on debian testing and was caught because of the compatibilty of django 1.6 | 16:56 |
| MaxV | the default package on testing use django 1.6 | 16:57 |
| mrunge | MaxV, would it be an option for him to wait until icehouse is released? | 16:57 |
| * mrunge wonders, if horizon is the only package breaking on Django-1.6 ... | 16:57 | |
| mrunge | we have basically the same situation for Fedora | 16:58 |
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| zigo | Hi there! | 16:58 |
| mrunge | hey | 16:59 |
| mrunge | zigo, you were asking for django-1.6 support in hanvan? | 16:59 |
| mrunge | havana? | 16:59 |
| mrunge | it's a rather big change, and currently still unfinished for icehouse | 16:59 |
| zigo | mrunge: I already carry such a patch ! | 17:00 |
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| mrunge | zigo, which version of django_openstack_auth are you using? | 17:00 |
| mrunge | ... just curious? | 17:00 |
| mrunge | no, please let's move that to #openstack-horizon | 17:01 |
| mrunge | zigo, is there an option for you to wait until icehouse is released? | 17:01 |
| zigo | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=openstack/horizon.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/add-support-for-Django-1.6.patch;h=f777e6189b6ac6eb1f91d7ca237e077e41c43680;hb=9bd1026c637a49a765a97df0abc03ab9a4fc2d72 <--- A big fix for the url.defaults which I would like to see in Havana. | 17:01 |
| zigo | mrunge: I'm working on Sid, and I would like everything to work there... It's *already* in Sid. | 17:02 |
| mrunge | the middleware change is unlikely to be merged, zigo | 17:02 |
| david-lyle | Looks like we're over time. We can continue here or #openstack-horizon | 17:02 |
| zigo | I use openstack-auth 1.1.3-2 | 17:02 |
| zigo | 1.1.3 I mean ... | 17:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 17:02:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| mrunge | thank you david-lyle | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-28-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| jpich | Thanks everyone | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-28-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-28-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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| lsmola_ | thanks everybody | 17:03 |
| amotoki | good night | 17:03 |
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| mrunge | good night amotoki | 17:03 |
| jpich | good night amotoki. Thanks for staying up so late and raising so many good points! | 17:03 |
| jcoufal | thanks, g'night | 17:03 |
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| lblanchard | thanks all, have a great week! | 17:04 |
| akrivoka | bye everyone | 17:04 |
| t_mazur | Have a nice week! | 17:04 |
| julim | thx all | 17:05 |
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