Thursday, 2014-03-06

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carl_baldwinGreetings, all.  L3 sub team meeting about to start.15:01
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carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  6 15:01:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:01
carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:02
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carl_baldwin#info Daylight savings time for US starts this weekend.  Next week’s team meeting will shift by an hour in the US.15:02
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carl_baldwinWatch for your local daylight savings time for when the meeting will shift in your geography.15:03
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carl_baldwin#topic l3-high-availability15:04
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carl_baldwinIs safchain around?15:04
carl_baldwinReview of the code is still in progress.  safchain has posted recent updates to the patches.15:05
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Swamihi carl15:05
carl_baldwinHi Swami.  Thanks for joining.15:05
Swamisorry I was a bit late15:06
carl_baldwin#info We've added some guides to reviewing and testing the l3-high-availability code.  Available from the sub team page.15:07
carl_baldwin#topic neuron-ovs-dvr15:07
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SwamiHi carl15:08
SwamiYes we have uploaded the L2 design doc15:08
SwamiThanks Carl for bringing it to the ML2 teams attention15:08
SwamiWe will be providing feedback on any comments on the doc15:08
SwamiI saw your comments and I will address all your comments15:09
carl_baldwinHappy to help.  There were a few questions brought up in the meeting.15:09
SwamiWe are working on the L3 agent doc and will share with the team when it is ready15:09
carl_baldwinGreat, looking forward to it.15:09
SwamiIn our meeting yesterday we also discussed about the utilizing the L3 VRRP HA for the DVR15:09
SwamiSafchain mentioned that it should work.15:09
SwamiBy next week we might be able to split the tasks and start adding tasks to the Launchpad15:10
SwamiThat's all from my end.15:10
carl_baldwinGreat to see the progress.  Thank you.15:10
carl_baldwin#topic bgp-dynamic-routing15:11
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carl_baldwinIs Artem around?  I'm not sure what your IRC nickname is.15:12
nextone92Good morning!15:12
nextone92It's just 'nextone92'15:12
carl_baldwinHi.  Great.  Now I know.15:12
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carl_baldwinThere has been some interesting discussion on the blueprint this week.15:13
carl_baldwinIs there anything that you would like to highlight or discuss?15:13
Swamicarl: is there a separate meeting on this. if so can you include me on that15:13
carl_baldwinSwami: No, but I should provide a link to the document.15:13
Swamicarl: thanks15:14
nextone92The basic use case for the dynamic routing is to automatically negotiate routes to/from OpenStack15:14
SwamiI had one suggestion because the "BGP" is also used by the VPN service, can this be abstracted and then either used by the L3 service or by the VPN service15:14
nextone92But it's written not to limit other use cases within OpenStack15:14
carl_baldwinSwami: I do recall that was brought up as a use case at the summit.  My impression is that it is out of scope for this use case but I wonder what sort of abstraction can allow for that.15:15
carl_baldwinnextone92: Any thoughts on the VPN question?15:16
SwamiThere were couple of more blueprints that address the BGP support for the VPN services.15:16
SwamiIf we can combine all those and that create an abstract for the BGP then it would be great and it can be used against any services.15:16
SwamiWith respect to API/CLI we don't need to redo anything.15:17
nextone92Swami, Carl - could VPN connection be abstracted as a gateway router?15:17
carl_baldwinSwami: Do you happen to have links handy for those bps?  If not, could you add links to them to the sub team page?  I'd like to review them.15:17
Swamiok will do15:18
carl_baldwin#action Swami will add links to BGP bps to sub team page under dynamic routing section.15:18
carl_baldwinI would like to review those and give it some thought.  Maybe we can continue that discussion next week.15:19
carl_baldwin#action carl_baldwin will review BGP bps.15:19
nextone92That sounds great!15:19
carl_baldwinnextone92: What are your thoughts on whether to peer individual neutron routers with upstream routers or to aggregate them in to fewer peers from the Neutron side?15:20
nextone92For the purposes of connecting to the upstream networks/routers, I think the latter would be more efficient15:21
carl_baldwinI agree.  It removes the scaling concerns that I had.15:22
carl_baldwinIf that is the direction then I think the API changes section needs some work.15:22
nextone92Would it be to scandalous to talk about a concept of "provider" routers?15:23
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nextone92For example, a tenant router using a bgp enabled "provider" router for communication outside of OpenStack network15:23
SwamiSo in this case the bgp is not enable inside the openstack cloud and only enabled by the provider router.15:24
carl_baldwinnextone92: I think that should be considered.  We would still need an open source implementation, no?15:24
SwamiSo it is just connecting your service node to a provider router.15:25
nextone92Maybe a "provider" router could be an instance of quagga performing dynamic route exchange but not the actual traffic forwarding15:25
carl_baldwinnextone92: That is along the lines of what I was thinking but I wasn't thinking of it as a "provider router".  I thought of it more as just a dynamic routing process.15:27
SwamiHi nextone92 could you please add an use case in your blueprint with a picture and a description on what you are proposing with respect to the provider router.15:27
SwamiAlso there was already a provider router blueprint out there. May be we need to take a look at that also.15:28
nextone92Swami, that sounds good. I will add a more clear description of the main use case and try not to make it too restrictive so it can't be reused with the blueprint you have posted (neutron-bgp-mpls)15:28
carl_baldwin#action nextone92 will update bp.15:29
carl_baldwinAnything else for this week?15:29
carl_baldwin#topic l3-agent15:30
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carl_baldwinDoes anyone have anything to discuss (e.g. l3-agent-consolidation, l3-router-service-type-framework)15:31
carl_baldwinI did not have anything in mind...15:31
SwamiHi carl: Yesterday I saw a message from Mark that Agent consolidation was moved to Juno and it did not make the cut through for the Icehouse15:32
carl_baldwinSwami: Yes, he did add a note to the bp.  Thanks for the reminder.15:32
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carl_baldwinThere is code to review.  It is linked to the blueprint.15:33
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carl_baldwin#topic DNS15:34
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carl_baldwinThis is one that I'm working on.  I have a blueprint nearly done.  I need to have my company review and approve but hopefully I can have it ready to review next week.15:35
carl_baldwinThe basic idea is to reconcile DNS names in neutron with instance names.  Then, integrate with DNSaaS.15:35
Swamisounds good15:36
carl_baldwin#action carl_baldwin to finish blueprint for DNS instance lookup15:36
carl_baldwin#topic Open Discussion15:36
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carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: Hi, anything for the L3 sub team?15:37
carl_baldwinAlso, anyone else bring anything to discuss?15:38
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: nothing from me15:38
Swamicarl: nothing to add15:38
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carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: No problem, just saw you'd joined the room.15:38
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carl_baldwinIf there is nothing else, I'll run off to another meeting.15:41
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carl_baldwinThank you to those who joined.  Until next week.15:41
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Mar  6 15:41:51 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)15:41
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Swamithanks carl, bye15:42
carl_baldwinSwami: bye and thanks for joining and contributing to discussions.15:42
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lchengjomara: ping19:44
jomaralcheng: hey19:48
lchengjomara: got a quick comment19:48
jomaraoh sure19:49
lchengjomara: code looks good, just wanted to confirm if the label is right.19:49
jomarai dont think so, its in the middle of a sentence?19:49
jomaraunless it should always be capitalized19:49
lchengah right, for line 164 should the label be "environment' ?19:51
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jomaralcheng: oh hell, yes it should20:11
jomaralcheng: good call20:11
lchengjomara: other than that, everything looks good.20:11
jomaralcheng: thanks! ill fix that right now20:15
lchengjomara: np, just wanted to get the bp earlier since the build jobs has been swamped lately.20:18
jomaraunderstood, thanks for all of your help with my git/gerrit shenanigans too20:21
jomarayesterday was complicated :)20:21
jomaralcheng: however, i dont want to screw it up again - am i safe to just update this environment patch (which is now the 1st dependency), or do i need to update it, then cherry pick +2 on top of it, and git-review that?20:23
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lchengjomara: I think just amending the current patch should be fine. I haven't really tried pushing patches with dependencies due to the complication. :-)20:29
lchengI might be wrong. But I think just amending it should be okay.20:29
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jomaralcheng: i am a little gun-shy, i think that is how i got into th emess yesterday20:31
jomaralcheng: im asking in #opensstack-infra so i dont screw it up20:32
lchengjomara: good idea!20:33
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jomaralcheng: fungi showed me the light, its not bad20:40
fungicould be worse!20:40
jomaramuch worse!20:40
jomaralcheng: updated, now its puppy time, brb20:41
lchengjomara: sweet! thanks fungi20:45
fungimy pleasure20:46
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jomaralcheng: failed22:21
jomaralcheng: naturally i didnt check pep8 because i just hcanged a word,22:21
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jomarait made the line too long22:21
* jomara cries22:21
lchengjomara: oh uh, I would have missed that too.  :-(22:23
jomaraim fixing it now22:23
jomarabut yeah, stupid mistake22:23
jomaraand obviously it brekas all the dependent patches :)22:24
lchenggood news is, it didn't take that long for the check job to finish.22:24
jomaraim running ALL the tests this time just to be sure....22:24
jomaraok, repushed22:26
jomarasorry about that22:26
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lchengjomara: no worries. We still got couple of days. :-)22:39
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