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| ajo | hi Swami , carl_baldwin , safchain_ :) | 14:56 |
| Swami | ajo: hi | 14:56 |
| ajo | what was Yuriy nick? :) | 14:57 |
| safchain_ | ajo, Swami, carl_baldwin Hi all | 14:57 |
| Swami | safchain: hi | 14:57 |
| Swami | carl: hi | 14:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi all. Where did this last week go? | 14:57 |
| ajo | I don't know :) | 14:57 |
| ajo | Time passes very fast ;) | 14:57 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess I know where it went for me. I was dragged in to operations and I was under the weather a bit. | 14:58 |
| Swami | when we have too many work, we don't feel the week fly by | 14:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 20 15:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | I never came to a decision about a meeting time change. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | ajo: You said that an hour earlier would be better but would two hours later be bad? | 15:01 |
| Swami | carl: I too feel the same, because of the time change it just affects our regular schedule, childrens school time. | 15:02 |
| ajo | carl_baldwin, hmm, yes for me, two hours later I have another fixed meeting :( | 15:02 |
| ajo | I mean, yes, it would be bad for me | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: which time would you prefer? | 15:03 |
| ajo | -1h, or +0h works for me, other option would be +3h | 15:03 |
| xuhanp | carl_baldwin, two hour later will be too late for Asia folks :-( | 15:03 |
| safchain_ | 2 hours later bad for me too | 15:03 |
| ajo | xuhanp, you're right | 15:03 |
| Swami | probably 1 hour earlier would be better. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | It sounds like the current time is the best. | 15:04 |
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| Swami | never mind, its ok, | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, maybe 1 hour earlier would be better. | 15:04 |
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| ajo | hi rook & amuller | 15:04 |
| amuller | ajo: heya | 15:04 |
| rook | ajo hi | 15:04 |
| ajo | we were talking about this meeting time | 15:04 |
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| ajo | may be changing -1h, staying, or +1h | 15:05 |
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| amuller | ok, no preference here | 15:05 |
| rook | same | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Well let's take a vote between an hour earlier and keeping the same time. | 15:05 |
| ajo | there was +2h too, but that's bad for asia, and collides with our weekly team meeting :) | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | Keep in mind that the next daylight savings time shift will shift it yet another hour earlier. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | +2 hours I think is out. | 15:06 |
| Swami | Same time slot will work. +1 | 15:07 |
| safchain_ | +1 for the same time | 15:07 |
| ajo | what's the meeting time reference? UTC/GMT ? | 15:07 |
| ajo | +1 for the same time (considering day light saving time changes..) | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Current meeting time is 1500 UTC with no regard for DST. | 15:08 |
| xuhanp | +1 to same time or -1 hour :-) | 15:08 |
| ajo | well, sorry, changing my vote for: +1 same time or -1 hour | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks. I'll see what I can do to keep the same time. | 15:09 |
| ajo | Thanks carl | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l3-high-availability (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:09 | |
| carl_baldwin | safchain_: Any update since last week? | 15:10 |
| safchain_ | Not really, I have to rebase all my patches to update db migration version | 15:10 |
| safchain_ | I also submitted a patch to show how the conntrackd patch could be used | 15:10 |
| safchain_ | I'm working on a patch to send a notification to the neutron server when a master is elected | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Has anyone had the chance to run through the document about testing the patches? | 15:11 |
| amuller | safchain_: I've been meaning to talk to you - I think it would be more productive if you took over the conntrackd patch that I originally created... Fix it up according to your needs | 15:11 |
| safchain_ | amuller, ok why not | 15:12 |
| amuller | cool :) | 15:12 |
| safchain_ | any suggestion about the notification about the vrrp status ? | 15:12 |
| ajo | amuller, safchain_ can you point to your current conntrackd patches ? | 15:12 |
| safchain_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80332/ | 15:13 |
| safchain_ | ajo ^ | 15:13 |
| amuller | ajo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71586/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80332/ | 15:13 |
| safchain_ | ajo, not working today since there are some few things to change in the conntrackd patch | 15:13 |
| ajo | thanks amuller , safchain_ | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll have another look at the patches this week and begin going through your test document. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:15 |
| safchain_ | thanks carl_baldwin | 15:15 |
| Swami | amuller: you had a blueprint for the active /active solution, are you targeting that Juno | 15:15 |
| Swami | Will it be merged with safchain_ vrrp solution. | 15:15 |
| safchain_ | amuller, it could be a nice improvement | 15:15 |
| Swami | Or will be patch that will go after the current vrrp solution | 15:15 |
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| amuller | Swami: I'm not 100% on the value of it. I think with DVR, the VRRP stuff will only be used for SNAT traffic | 15:16 |
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| Swami | amuller: yes you are right. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | If it could slow down the original patches then it should go in after. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | scope creep and all ;) | 15:17 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: The original plan was to file a follow up blueprint, and add patches later | 15:17 |
| Swami | amuller: Have you started the work. | 15:17 |
| amuller | Swami: No, I have an early draft for a blueprint, haven't touched it since | 15:17 |
| amuller | Assuming DVR is merged for Juno I am not 100% sure about the value of a VRRP optimization | 15:17 |
| Swami | As I mentioned in my previous discussions, we need to figure out for Juno how the VRRP solution will complement the DVR solution. | 15:18 |
| Swami | amuller: thanks | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: We can discuss it at a later time. There is also a possible bp for distributed SNAT or some other alternative to centralized SNAT. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | So, I agree the value of active / active should be in question. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's move on. | 15:19 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I am not keen on the details of DVR yet or why distributed SNAT is an issue, but that would be preferable | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-ovs-dvr (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:19 | |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:19 |
| Swami | Hi carl | 15:19 |
| ajo | VRRP also has a value | 15:19 |
| Swami | The DVR team has posted the L2 and L3 documents for review. | 15:20 |
| ajo | when there is a need to cut down the physical network nodes | 15:20 |
| Swami | Teaming is trying to address the comments that come in. | 15:20 |
| ajo | or there are many physical networks | 15:20 |
| Swami | carl: thanks for yur comments. | 15:20 |
| ajo | sorry : when there's a need to cut down public/physical network connections | 15:21 |
| Swami | We are currently progressing on the East-West story. | 15:21 |
| Swami | The issue that we had with the East-west was with some rules, and we are now trying to sort it out with sylvain. | 15:21 |
| Swami | Because there was dup learning in the bridges. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | That's all I have. | 15:22 |
| Swami | Some of the sub team members requested for the WIP code, we are planning to post the WIP code when the East-west is completely working. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I got disconnected momentarily. I'll go read the log to see if I missed anything. | 15:23 |
| amuller | Very cool | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm anxious to look at the implementation, too. :) | 15:23 |
| Swami | It should be there soon | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bgp-dynamic-routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:23 | |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: Are you around? | 15:24 |
| Swami | That's all from my side | 15:24 |
| nextone92 | Hi Carl! | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: thanks | 15:24 |
| nextone92 | From the last discussion: made it more clear in the blueprint that primary use case is to exchange the routes for the whole OpenStack system | 15:24 |
| nextone92 | And also added list of permitted users who can adjust bgp settings on the router | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll have a look at your updates. | 15:25 |
| nextone92 | I've looked at MPLS BGP blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-bgp-mpls-vpn | 15:25 |
| nextone92 | Based on the available information, I think dynamic routing implementation should benefit VPN deployment that requires dynamic routing | 15:26 |
| nextone92 | One question that I had, should the dynamic routing document primarily concentrate on dynamic routing? With bgp being the first available implementation? | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll admit that I don't have much experience with dynamic routing outside of BGP. | 15:29 |
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| Swami | nextone92: Yes you are right, that should compliment the VPN | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess to answer that question we would need to understand what other dynamic routing protocols are out there and find out what can be abstracted. | 15:29 |
| amuller | OSPF and ISIS stand out | 15:30 |
| amuller | open, standardized | 15:30 |
| ajo | yes, an abstraction would be interesting, if we can gather the knowledge | 15:30 |
| Swami | With respect to protocols, we can start with one and then add others. | 15:30 |
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| Swami | The most used one and the immediate requirement would be the bgp. | 15:31 |
| ajo | sounds good | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: That is the plan. BPG will be the first implementation. The question is how much can we abstract the interface so that it is applicable to others down the road. | 15:31 |
| nextone92 | Okay, sounds good! | 15:32 |
| nextone92 | What do you think about the idea of having a main virtual "provider" router to handle dynamic routing? This entity will exchange routing information but doesn't necessarily have to forward packets | 15:32 |
| amuller | Looking at the blueprint, I really don't understand what is the use case / what problem are we trying to solve | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: I think the idea is good. It coincides with what I was thinking. My only problem with it is calling it a "router" since it doesn't route. | 15:32 |
| nextone92 | carl_baldwin: let me think of a good alternate name | 15:33 |
| Swami | But if it is abstracted as a dynamic routing service, then can be used with any other variable.. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: A use case that I have in mind is to use dynamic routing to announce IPs on an external network. There are some advantages to using routing over a flat L2 network. | 15:34 |
| nextone92 | amuller: and another user case would be for external network to provide routing information to OpenStack | 15:35 |
| amuller | Does this blueprint have a use outside of VPNaaS? | 15:35 |
| nextone92 | amuller: this could be useful if you have multiple uplinks | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: Maybe we call it the "main dynamic routing service" instead of a router. | 15:35 |
| amuller | I mean, current OpenStack virtual routers only have a single uplink so no routing is needed | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Both use cases just mentioned are outside of VPNaaS. | 15:36 |
| nextone92 | amuller: virtually there may have a single uplink, but it doesn't have to be a single uplink physically | 15:36 |
| amuller | ok, then I don't understand "A use case that I have in mind is to use dynamic routing to announce IPs on an external network" - The end goal is for virtual routers to know how to route to certain IPs outside of the cloud? | 15:37 |
| amuller | So virtual routers would be connected to multiple external networks? | 15:38 |
| ajo | multiple uplinks | 15:38 |
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| nextone92 | amuller: in the use case that carl has mentioned, when you add an external network and/or floating IPs, the routing information to that network will be announced to the uplink router(s) | 15:39 |
| nextone92 | amuller: simplifying network administration | 15:39 |
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| amuller | ahh, so you're talking about routers outside of the cloud to know how to route into the cloud, not the other way around | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: In current neutron, floating ips are all on a big flat L2 network. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Both are use cases that we have discussed. | 15:40 |
| amuller | I understand the 2nd one - Instead of configuring your cloud's physical edge router, and adding the external networks so they're advertised via BGP, the openstack virtual routers will automatically generate BGP advertisements whenever an external net is defined | 15:41 |
| amuller | Basically saving you a few lines of configuration on your physical routers | 15:42 |
| nextone92 | amuller: great! Going in another direction, a system administrator may add a route to a segment of a corporate network on one of the uplinks | 15:42 |
| nextone92 | amuller: or define a load balancing policy based on routes and their weights | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: We can do some work on the document to make the use cases more clear and discuss them individually after that. | 15:43 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: That would be fantastic | 15:44 |
| ajo | +1 :) | 15:44 |
| nextone92 | great! | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will take a crack at describing the use cases. | 15:44 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: If you could state things explicitly (Such as virtual routers having more than one uplink / connected to more than a single external network at a time) | 15:44 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: + Why the other direction is interesting as well (Virtual routers advertising their own external networks via a routing protocol) | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | I will try to be as clear as possible. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic DNS lookup of instances | 15:45 |
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| amuller | I don't know how customers set up routing on their clouds atm - Do they have an IGP running, then redistributing out to BGP, or what... | 15:45 |
| amuller | That would affect our choice of a routing protocol | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: that is an open question. Maybe we can do some discovery here. | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | No progress on DNS since my whole week was consumed with unplanned work. | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Agent Performance with Wrapper Overhead | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-agent-exec-performance | 15:47 |
| ajo | Yuriy, are you around? | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | I made some progress on a change to L3 agent to make it more responsive to RPC. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78819 | 15:48 |
| YorikSar | ajo: o/ | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | The patch is still a WIP but pretty much works. I could use some feedback. | 15:48 |
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| YorikSar | I've pushed first version of rootwrap changes to make it run in agent mode. | 15:49 |
| YorikSar | I've also though of another speedup we can get dealing with namespaces (see ML and etherpad) | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | YorikSar: hi | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Do you have a link? | 15:49 |
| YorikSar | https://review.openstack.org/81798 | 15:49 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/81798 | 15:50 |
| ajo | YorikSar, your results look promising | 15:50 |
| YorikSar | It shows good performance (~2x speedup compared to plain sudo, ~22x compared to rootwrap) | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | Great, I'll have a look. | 15:51 |
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| ajo | YorikSar, yes, I thought about using setns too, instead of using the full blown ip netns exec | 15:51 |
| YorikSar | I think I can add some namespace-related stuff there. But I wonder if it should be done in Neutron itself, not in common rootwrap. | 15:51 |
| ajo | no mounting or normal network env configuration, but it should do for many cases | 15:52 |
| ajo | and we cut out the overhead a lot | 15:52 |
| YorikSar | I didn't investigate if any command running in namespace actually needs conf files etc | 15:52 |
| ajo | YorikSar, may be we could add some filter, to do setns | 15:52 |
| ajo | setns xxxxxxxxxxxx ip a | 15:52 |
| YorikSar | But from what I see in filters it looks like only ip itself runs within ip netns | 15:53 |
| ajo | get's handled by the filter, which sets the namespace, and calls ip a | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm not familiar with setns. | 15:53 |
| ajo | ip netns exec does several things | 15:53 |
| YorikSar | ajo: Hm... Sideeffects are bad... | 15:53 |
| ajo | calls "setns(xxxx) system calls... | 15:53 |
| YorikSar | ajo: I think we can add an argument to that RPC call. | 15:54 |
| ajo | and mounts several files around to simulate a normal environment on /etc/ or other places for the child process | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, I see. I'm following you. | 15:54 |
| YorikSar | ajo: And leave plain rootwrap ip setns exec slow. | 15:54 |
| ajo | the mounting itc.. it's very expensive in performance terms, and may processes probably would need the setns only | 15:54 |
| ajo | YorikSar, | 15:54 |
| ajo | do you think it would be possible to implement in neutron, with a switch to allow the old root_helper method , or the new daemon? | 15:55 |
| ajo | this would allow for a testing transition during icehouse, for example | 15:55 |
| YorikSar | ajo: Yes, that's the next step I'm thinking about. | 15:56 |
| ajo | who's more worried about performance could enable the mechanism, and who's not, can relay on rootwrap, or even plain sudo | 15:56 |
| ajo | YorikSar, | 15:57 |
| ajo | did you read my concerns about "BaseManager" | 15:57 |
| ajo | I yet don't have the details, but it seems that other projects using a similar mechanism for the same purpose have hit race conditions & bugs on the BaseManager implementation | 15:57 |
| YorikSar | ajo: Yes. I hope you'll be able to get what issues there was from your people. | 15:57 |
| ajo | do you think we could have some other alternatives if we hit those? | 15:57 |
| YorikSar | ajo: We can backport any changes necessary. | 15:58 |
| ajo | sure, I should get the information sure | 15:58 |
| ajo | sure->soon | 15:58 |
| YorikSar | ajo: In fact... I think we shouldn't hit races with running only one background process. | 15:58 |
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| ajo | I have also built a POC on the py->C++ translation | 15:59 |
| ajo | it works with very little overhead, I was aiming a solution for havana/icehouse | 15:59 |
| ajo | but may be your solution will be soon enough, and backportable | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | ajo: What have you found out about popen and logging? | 16:00 |
| ajo | carl_baldwin, was about to write on this, | 16:00 |
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| ajo | we would need to implement those modules, | 16:00 |
| ajo | I suppose is doable, but I'm more concerned about the auditability of the code | 16:00 |
| ajo | everything looks to me like dynamic, std::list<> ... etc... | 16:01 |
| ajo | and with bounds checkings everywhere | 16:01 |
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| ajo | but, of course, it's machine generated C, which is hard to read | 16:01 |
| ajo | the performance is good, did my message on performance arrived to the list? | 16:01 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm not sure. I'm a little behind reading the list. | 16:02 |
| carl_baldwin | With the need to hand-implement some modules, this looks less attractive but maybe we can keep it in our back pocket. | 16:02 |
| ajo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030561.html | 16:02 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't know if there is a meeting after this but I'm running out of time. | 16:03 |
| ajo | I must leave too, | 16:03 |
| carl_baldwin | ajo: Have you written anything on the ether pad about setns? I'd like to think about it some more. | 16:03 |
| YorikSar | ajo: I think given my rootwrap daemon beats sudo itself, running C++ version of rootwrap will be behind anyway. | 16:03 |
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| ajo | but yes, I agree, it's a solution to keep in the back pocket | 16:03 |
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| ajo | YorikSar, I agree, if the neutron side implementation gets working fast, and work reliably , we should not need for any C++ | 16:04 |
| YorikSar | What's the deadline for such change? | 16:04 |
| ajo | carl_baldwin, sure I could try to expand the information on ip netns | 16:04 |
| ajo | carl_baldwin, man ip-netns explains the logic | 16:05 |
| ajo | on the first few lines | 16:05 |
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| YorikSar | I've added some info on setns to the etherpad | 16:05 |
| ajo | ah, good YorikSar :) | 16:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | I got disconnected again. :( | 16:05 |
| YorikSar | But I didn't explain how netns exec works there. | 16:05 |
| ajo | YorikSar, I'd aim on having something that can work in icehouse. | 16:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | We may need to be content with potential back port to Icehouse. But, we can always ask. | 16:07 |
| ajo | Sure, if we keep backporting in mind, it should be ok | 16:07 |
| YorikSar | Oh... According to schedule, we just a week away from RC... | 16:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, all. Have a great week. | 16:08 |
| ajo | YorikSar, I will spend some time tomorrow morning on review to your rootwrap daemon, it looks very good to me, so far, simple & effective | 16:08 |
| carl_baldwin | I will review as well. | 16:08 |
| YorikSar | ajo: Thanks, I appreciate that. | 16:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 20 16:08:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-03-20-15.00.html | 16:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-03-20-15.00.txt | 16:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-03-20-15.00.log.html | 16:08 |
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| ajo | YorikSar, and the benchmarking tool, is a good detail, so they can keep an eye on how implementation affects performance :) | 16:09 |
| YorikSar | ajo: You can use it for your version, btw | 16:09 |
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| ajo | I'll better spend my time on testing your solution, providing review, and trying to help | 16:10 |
| YorikSar | ajo: Thanks :) | 16:11 |
| ajo | if for any chance we don't find the final solution suitable for icehouse backport, then we can go back to it at any time... or rewrite a C thing... | 16:11 |
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| ajo | YorikSar, feel free to add me to any reviews related to this: miguelangel@ajo.es | 16:11 |
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| YorikSar | ajo: Ok, will do. | 16:12 |
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| zehicle | hello! | 21:03 |
| davidlenwell | hello | 21:03 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think anyone knows about the new meeting time | 21:03 |
| zehicle | :( | 21:03 |
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| zehicle | I sent out the email to our team and list | 21:03 |
| RaymondWong | hi | 21:03 |
| zehicle | I think they are here...just running late | 21:03 |
| davidlenwell | oh good | 21:03 |
| fcarpenter | afternoon | 21:03 |
| catherineD | hello | 21:03 |
| zehicle | o/ | 21:04 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:04 |
| davidlenwell | whos running this ? | 21:04 |
| zehicle | #meeting-start RefStack | 21:04 |
| davidlenwell | perfect | 21:04 |
| zehicle | #meetingstart RefStack | 21:04 |
| zehicle | #startmeeting RefStack | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 20 21:04:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zehicle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| rockyg | had to find the room and forgot the exact name... | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: RefStack)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 21:04 |
| davidlenwell | there it goes | 21:04 |
| zehicle | agenda for today? | 21:05 |
| davidlenwell | code merge, documentation, front page of website, tcup | 21:05 |
| zehicle | +1 | 21:05 |
| zehicle | #topic code_merge | 21:06 |
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| davidlenwell | so first on the list is this .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81670/ | 21:06 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: you -1'd this patch .. I thought you could go into it now .. tell us your main problems with it | 21:07 |
| zehicle | yes please - some of these requests are going to be addressed by work that I'm doing | 21:09 |
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| RaymondWong | as of now, the code in the master branch works and we can kick off tempest test. if this code get merge, i don't think the code will run. | 21:09 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: can you submit a patch on top of this review that addresses them .. | 21:09 |
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| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: I won't merge this until we are sure that it will | 21:10 |
| davidlenwell | I will personally cherry pick and test before merging it | 21:10 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: I'd like to keep things going in the same review if you can .. | 21:10 |
| zehicle | I'd rather have it in trunk and merge than keep working off jmc's branch | 21:10 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: I'd rather not keep working that way .. we have this workflow for a reason | 21:10 |
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| davidlenwell | other wise it gets very hard to manage | 21:11 |
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| davidlenwell | if you need support in working in this work flow I am happy to help you | 21:11 |
| zehicle | I can do that | 21:11 |
| davidlenwell | thank you | 21:11 |
| zehicle | I'll reach out if I have questions, I suspect I just need to pull against Josh's branch | 21:11 |
| zehicle | or check it out directly | 21:12 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: you can pull against that review id | 21:12 |
| davidlenwell | super easy | 21:12 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. moving on ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81402/ | 21:12 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: | 21:12 |
| catherineD | yes sir | 21:12 |
| davidlenwell | i am going to work on a patch set for this review before it can get merged | 21:13 |
| catherineD | that is great | 21:13 |
| davidlenwell | there are some python tools that do some of the things you built all those nested loops for | 21:13 |
| davidlenwell | in general .. I want you and your team to re-read the pep8 manual | 21:13 |
| rockyg | +1 for upstreamed tools | 21:13 |
| davidlenwell | stop using single character variable names for things .. and don't use CamelCase for function names | 21:14 |
| rockyg | got a link for that manual? | 21:14 |
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| fcarpenter | http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ | 21:14 |
| davidlenwell | http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ | 21:14 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:14 |
| catherineD | sure .. | 21:14 |
| davidlenwell | I know you guys are more java in your background and thats the standard in java .. but its considered bad practice in python | 21:15 |
| davidlenwell | which is the only reason I didn't approve this one ted .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81653/ | 21:15 |
| davidlenwell | I know it seems trivial .. but in general the openstack community strictly follows pep8 .. and we should too | 21:16 |
| RaymondWong | sure. will do. | 21:16 |
| davidlenwell | thank you guys | 21:16 |
| catherineD | that is no problem at all .. | 21:16 |
| davidlenwell | good .. I know sometimes it sounds like I am being nit picky about it .. and I don't want to discourage future contributions from any of you | 21:16 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. moving right along .. | 21:17 |
| davidlenwell | documentation.. | 21:17 |
| rockyg | Yo! | 21:17 |
| davidlenwell | someone set the topic? | 21:17 |
| catherineD | Once the subunit stuff is in ... we will work withj davidlenwell: on report | 21:17 |
| rockyg | #topic Documentation | 21:17 |
| davidlenwell | Ithink zehicle has to do it | 21:17 |
| zehicle | #topic documentation | 21:18 |
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| rockyg | Yah. You're right. | 21:18 |
| davidlenwell | there we go | 21:18 |
| davidlenwell | so rockyg would you be up for coming up to piston at the end of next week for some face to face time on documentation ? | 21:18 |
| zehicle | I've got some docs changes in my pending pull | 21:18 |
| rockyg | So, tomorrow or next week? | 21:18 |
| zehicle | I'll see if I can split it out | 21:18 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: next friday | 21:18 |
| davidlenwell | tomorrow im moving into my apartment in oakland | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Sure. No problem. | 21:19 |
| davidlenwell | hopfully | 21:19 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. we'll set up an invite and make it official | 21:19 |
| zehicle | I'm going to be in town later in April (and bring Alex w/ me this time). April 14-15. should we plan another f2f then too? | 21:19 |
| zehicle | That's a Monday | 21:19 |
| davidlenwell | I might be in canada .. I'll let you know | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Another team just published a requirements wiki doc. I'm looking at mimicing it 'cause it looks good. | 21:19 |
| davidlenwell | I think I get back on monday night | 21:19 |
| zehicle | kk | 21:20 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: we can do tuesday I think | 21:20 |
| zehicle | Alex could be available, but I've got RH summit on 15th | 21:20 |
| rockyg | We can do a f2f with the rest of the folks. | 21:20 |
| davidlenwell | sure .. | 21:20 |
| davidlenwell | I can always skype in | 21:20 |
| zehicle | let's plan for Tues | 21:20 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. we'll settle it next meeting with times and places | 21:20 |
| rockyg | Monday is definitely out for me. | 21:21 |
| rockyg | So Tuesday is it. | 21:21 |
| davidlenwell | done .. | 21:21 |
| zehicle | 4/15 then | 21:21 |
| zehicle | back to docs... | 21:21 |
| davidlenwell | so between now and then I'll spit out some shiny new graphs and diagrams | 21:21 |
| davidlenwell | and I'll communicate with defcore people to make sure we are meeting the use case requirements | 21:22 |
| zehicle | I created a /doc directory and moved the RefStack and TCUP setup into those | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Can we get them to review and update if possible? | 21:22 |
| zehicle | yy | 21:22 |
| zehicle | they had been part of my pull | 21:22 |
| davidlenwell | we need ; a developer quickstart , install quide, high level arch. | 21:23 |
| zehicle | you want me to split them or just base on topic of the existing JMC patch? | 21:23 |
| davidlenwell | split them | 21:23 |
| davidlenwell | try to keep reviews to a single topic | 21:23 |
| rockyg | Yes. | 21:23 |
| davidlenwell | we don't want to act like congress and squeeze in last minute changes to reviews | 21:23 |
| davidlenwell | that are totally unrelated | 21:24 |
| fcarpenter | congress does code reviews? | 21:24 |
| zehicle | +1 (JMC has some doc changes already, that's why I asked) | 21:24 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: yes .. but you know how hard he is to nail down on submitting code | 21:24 |
| rockyg | Yes. all those funky numbers. codification of law, I think they call it. | 21:24 |
| zehicle | davidlenwell, agreed | 21:25 |
| davidlenwell | so .. next topic .. front page of website | 21:25 |
| zehicle | #topic front page | 21:25 |
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| davidlenwell | right now we don't do a very good job of really communicating what refstack is or what its used for on the website | 21:25 |
| davidlenwell | we need to fix that | 21:25 |
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| rockyg | Yes. | 21:25 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: we can tack that on to the face to face next week | 21:26 |
| rockyg | Great! | 21:26 |
| davidlenwell | I'll try to steel some cycles from a designer at piston to help .. if not I'm sure we can get through it | 21:26 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: can you be available on skype that day for input | 21:27 |
| rockyg | Depends on what it was written in, but these days, should be not too difficult to modify the code beneath. | 21:27 |
| * zehicle checking | 21:27 | |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: im less worried about the coding and more worried about the design astetic | 21:27 |
| davidlenwell | *spelling | 21:28 |
| * zehicle blocked out 3/28 | 21:28 | |
| rockyg | might not be too pretty until we get a designer to clean up. | 21:28 |
| zehicle | can we do a lighthouse theme? | 21:28 |
| rockyg | Unless we can come up with a mockup earler and we just add URLs/links | 21:28 |
| davidlenwell | I've done my fair share of website design | 21:28 |
| rockyg | Kewl. | 21:28 |
| davidlenwell | so lets deal with the details/requirements for that next meeting | 21:29 |
| rockyg | Get us a wallpaper photo;-) | 21:29 |
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| catherineD | what is the time for f2f on 3/28? | 21:29 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD: lets plan for after lunch .. say 1 or 2 pm | 21:29 |
| rockyg | Yeah. The more the merrier | 21:29 |
| catherineD | sure .. thx | 21:30 |
| zehicle | later is harder for me on a Friday | 21:30 |
| rockyg | Carpool? | 21:30 |
| davidlenwell | earlier is hard to reserve time at piston | 21:30 |
| davidlenwell | BART | 21:30 |
| zehicle | can we try to 1? | 21:30 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 21:30 |
| davidlenwell | 1 I can do | 21:30 |
| rockyg | the carpool was for catherineD | 21:31 |
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| davidlenwell | rockyg: I was teasing | 21:31 |
| rockyg | k. anything else on this? I can review site and list out some of my issues/suggestion in a list email | 21:32 |
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| davidlenwell | I think thats it on the website | 21:32 |
| davidlenwell | next .. TCUP | 21:32 |
| davidlenwell | lets identify what is missing for the defcore team to all be able to install and run it by next friday | 21:32 |
| zehicle | I'm updating the wkii Meetings page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#DefCore_.2F_RefStack_Development_Meeting | 21:33 |
| zehicle | #topic TCUP | 21:33 |
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| RaymondWong | if they download the whole refstack, they can run it now without seeing the report. | 21:33 |
| zehicle | I've got the basics of TCUP running | 21:33 |
| rockyg | I'll probably be late for the 4/15 meeting. First DAY of Passover. and Hangover. | 21:34 |
| davidlenwell | so what is missing is mostly displaying the results | 21:34 |
| catherineD | yes that is why we need the subunit stuff .. | 21:34 |
| davidlenwell | which means catherineDand I need to finish the parser and I need to finish the display portion of that | 21:34 |
| zehicle | I have not been able to create a good config file to run the tests | 21:34 |
| RaymondWong | you got the code to save the subunit in db already... so, just need to display that in html. | 21:34 |
| davidlenwell | should be doable by next week ] | 21:35 |
| davidlenwell | :) | 21:35 |
| catherineD | Once the subunit stuff is in, we then need to map back to capacity ... | 21:35 |
| davidlenwell | technically speaking if we stay on schedule tomorrow closes out the last sprint.. I think we mostly accomplished what we set out to .. however .. probably some better project manament is required moving forward | 21:35 |
| zehicle | RaymondWong, I'm a little confused. what are we trying to dusplay? | 21:35 |
| rockyg | We should provide a list of what someone would need and what info they need to run it against a devstack. | 21:36 |
| zehicle | it sounds like you are running the code outside of the container? | 21:36 |
| RaymondWong | zehicle: I am talking about running from the refstack web GUI, I can kick off tempest test, and recevice back the results stream. | 21:36 |
| catherineD | we are not running tempest outside of container | 21:36 |
| RaymondWong | the web GUI shows test done, but does not display the results. | 21:37 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle: they are talking about displaying the results from the web gui | 21:37 |
| catherineD | tempest is running inside a docker container | 21:37 |
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| rockyg | and I'm talking about a prereqs list. | 21:38 |
| zehicle | ok, there's more working here than I was thinking | 21:38 |
| rockyg | Yay, team! | 21:38 |
| davidlenwell | yay .. | 21:38 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. I'm happy to end now so we can all go get back to work | 21:38 |
| zehicle | are there docs that show how to setup the webserver for this? | 21:38 |
| davidlenwell | no .. but there will be | 21:39 |
| davidlenwell | basically the readme does tell you how to get it working | 21:39 |
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| rockyg | That readme is all there is to it to build/run the default? | 21:41 |
| davidlenwell | So we have the board room reserved here at piston for next friday from 1-3:30 | 21:41 |
| catherineD | I just build an ubuntus to host refstack yesterday. I can send out my note after this .. pretty simple | 21:42 |
| rockyg | Thanks | 21:43 |
| RaymondWong | rockyg: the readme has the command to create the db, and start refstack app server. | 21:43 |
| rockyg | Yeah. It didn't look like it has enough yet to really make all the magic happen. | 21:43 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: we'll nail down a cleaner howto next week | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Good. Thanks. | 21:46 |
| davidlenwell | what is the mailing address list? | 21:47 |
| davidlenwell | I'll invite the whole list | 21:47 |
| fcarpenter | ack, i joined it but don't remember ;) | 21:47 |
| zehicle | defcore-committee | 21:47 |
| rockyg | fits@lists.openstack.org | 21:48 |
| fcarpenter | that one! | 21:48 |
| davidlenwell | thats what I was looking for | 21:48 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 21:48 |
| rockyg | And, it can be on the slow side. We need to make sure it gets' flushed regularly. | 21:48 |
| davidlenwell | fcarpenter: can you invite that .. I don't seem to be able to add people to the invite | 21:49 |
| davidlenwell | alright .. talk to you guys later on | 21:50 |
| fcarpenter | davidlenwell Done | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Thanks everyone. | 21:50 |
| zehicle | ok, wrapping up | 21:50 |
| zehicle | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 20 21:50:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-03-20-21.04.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-03-20-21.04.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-03-20-21.04.log.html | 21:50 |
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