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ajoping safchain,13:52
ajodo we have l3 meeting today? or it's already been, or will it be later ?13:52
ajoI'm a little lost with all the time shifts and the meeting time change, not sure if that second one happened :)13:52
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safchainajo, Hi, I'm lost too14:28
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ajo:) safchain  :)14:29
ajosafchain, I had an interesting question about your VRRP work14:29
ajoI was in fact in a client which was worried about DVR becoming the only option, because VRRP looked more suitable for their network arrangement14:30
ajoVRRP / "legacy" network node, may be we should call it "classic" instead of legacy ;-)14:30
ajoI hope it won't become a legacy, but an option14:30
ajothey asked me14:31
safchainajo, yes we have the same need14:31
ajoif the HA vRouters play well with LBaaS and VPNaaS14:31
safchainajo, that's why I would like to discuss about the dvr l3 proposal to see if we could have both, as options14:31
ajoVPNaaS and LBaaS is an unexplored part for me, so I'll have to get to know them14:31
ajosafchain, good, I want to push in that direction too14:32
safchainI'll try to ping swami soon to talk about is implementation of the l3 dvr part and the vrrp one14:32
safchains/is/his/14:32
ajoI think the plan was not to make it exclusive, and let people choose14:33
ajoas they do for nova-network (normal / multinode)14:33
safchainajo, agree with you14:33
ajois the same in the end but, in this case, plus VRRP14:33
safchainajo, I wanted to check the provider networks with dvr proposal, but didn't had the time yet14:34
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ajosafchain, that was a question I wanted to check,14:44
ajoif the VRRP solution supported multiple provider networks14:45
ajobut I suppose it does for what you say14:45
ajoajo--   <-I didn't have time yet to play with your VRRP solution14:45
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carl_baldwinHi all.15:00
carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 10 15:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:01
carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:01
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carl_baldwin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam15:01
xuhanphi15:02
otherwiseguyhi15:02
carl_baldwinDeadline to submit summit design topics is April 20th.  About a week away.  Is anyone planning to submit a topic (or already submitted)?15:02
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carl_baldwinI'll probably have some time to read through some if you want an extra set of eyes on it before submitting.15:03
carl_baldwinI'm busy myself trying to get a couple of blueprints written up to submit.15:03
carl_baldwinDoes anyone have the link for the page for submitting these handy?15:04
overlayerhttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/create15:05
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carl_baldwinoverlayer: Thanks.15:05
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carl_baldwin#topic l3-high-availability15:06
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carl_baldwinsafchain: any updates?  I saw some update to the blueprint.  Accepted for Juno.15:06
safchaincarl_baldwin, hi, just got some interesting comments15:07
safchaincarl_baldwin, I have to check if there is overlaps with le l3 dvr patch15:07
carl_baldwinYes, working closely with DVR will be a good thing.15:08
safchaincarl_baldwin, I will ping swami to talk about that15:08
safchaincarl_baldwin, that's all for me15:08
carl_baldwinSwami will join a bit later.15:09
carl_baldwinFor me, reviewing this has fallen below some Icehouse stuff and the summit topics.  I plan to get back to it after the 20th.  I imagine others are in the same boat.15:09
carl_baldwinThanks for your update.15:09
carl_baldwin#topic bgp-dynamic-routing15:10
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safchaincarl_baldwin, sure, np15:10
carl_baldwinnextone92: hi15:10
nextone92Hi carl!15:10
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carl_baldwinI had an action to update the use cases.  I have done that and they are linked from the sub team page.15:10
nextone92Unfortunately I haven't gotten any additional feedback about the document15:10
carl_baldwinI did have another look and I like the changes you've made to it.15:11
nextone92Thank you Carl15:11
carl_baldwinDo you plan to suggest a summit session?15:11
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nextone92Would that be okay?15:12
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carl_baldwinYes, I think it would be great.  I'd be happy to discuss it sometime during the next week.15:12
nextone92Thank you! I will submit the proposal15:13
nextone92And looking forward to any additional comments and feedback15:13
carl_baldwinGreat.  Feel free to ping me on IRC.15:13
carl_baldwinAnything else?15:14
nextone92That's all on dynamic routing15:14
carl_baldwinThanks.15:14
carl_baldwin#topic rootwrap-daemon-mode15:14
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carl_baldwinajo, YorikSar : hi15:15
YorikSaro/15:15
carl_baldwinI've been out of the loop on these reviews this week.15:15
YorikSarI don't have much updates this week.15:15
carl_baldwinOkay, let's talk more about it after the 20th.15:15
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YorikSarI've ran into unpleasant bug in stdlib that isn't fixed on 12.04 that's used in gate but was fixed in the very next version of Python (2.7.4)15:16
YorikSarOk15:17
carl_baldwinYorikSar: Could we bring it up with infra to see if an upgrade is possible?15:17
YorikSarcarl_baldwin: I suppose we should support vanilla Ubuntu 12.0415:17
YorikSarAnd I don't think it's possible to upgrade Python in Ubuntu LTS release15:18
ajohi carl_baldwin , YorikSar , sorry, it seems that I was a little bit confused with the meeting time , and time shifts15:18
ajo(reading)15:18
carl_baldwinajo: Thanks for joining.15:18
ajoYorikSar,15:19
ajowhat's the bug exactly?15:19
YorikSarBut I can ask on #openstack-infra about it.15:19
YorikSarhttp://bugs.python.org/issue606515:19
ajoI mean, in RH they use py2.615:19
ajoso I'll need to make sure this is backported in place15:19
YorikSarOh...15:19
carl_baldwinYorikSar: It might help to understand.  The worst that can happen is they will tell us we can't upgrade.15:19
carl_baldwinIs the bug also in 2.6?15:19
YorikSarI'm trying to come up with workaround for that.15:20
ajoare you sure it's http://bugs.python.org/issue6065 ?15:20
ajoit looks like MSI installer related15:20
YorikSarHm... I have no idea about 2.6 I guess it hasn't been fixed in that branch since it was already not supported by then.15:21
YorikSarOh... I've lost some digit. Let me check.15:21
carl_baldwinYorikSar: ajo: I'll let you take it offline.  Looks like you've got some things to try.15:22
ajothanks carl_baldwin15:22
carl_baldwin#topic Multiple Subnets on External Network15:22
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YorikSarcarl_baldwin: ok15:22
carl_baldwinThis is a new topic on the agenda this week.15:22
carl_baldwinI've heard this from a few people now and it is a problem that I have as well.15:23
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YorikSarIt was http://bugs.python.org/issue605615:24
YorikSar(sorry for interrupting)15:24
carl_baldwinYorikSar: (no worries)15:25
carl_baldwinThe use case for this is to allow growing the floating IP pool by adding subnets to an external network.15:25
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carl_baldwinI don't have much more than that, just an introduction to the topic.  Please contact me if this use case is interesting to you and you would like to participate in making it work like it should.15:26
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carl_baldwinI hope to understand it a little better next week.15:27
xuhanpcarl_baldwin, I am interested in it a lot :-) any information to learn more about this?15:27
safchaincarl_baldwin, sure, I'm interested too15:28
Swamicarl: hi15:29
carl_baldwinxuhanp: Not really yet.  I'll keep you in the loop.15:29
carl_baldwinsafchain: you too.15:29
xuhanpcarl_baldwin, thanks15:29
safchaincarl_baldwin, thanks15:29
safchainSwami, hi15:29
carl_baldwinIf you get ambitious and start looking in to it, do the same for me.  :)15:29
Swamisafchain: hi15:29
carl_baldwinSwami: your timing is impeccable15:29
carl_baldwin#topic neutron-ovs-dvr15:30
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SwamiDVR progress update15:30
SwamiAs mentioned in the previous meeting we could not post the L2 Agent and L3 Agent code this week, since we were busy with some merging work.15:30
SwamiThe plugin code comments have been addressed and patch5 is up for review.15:31
SwamiStill working on some more unit testing before removing the WIP.15:31
SwamiWe are targeting to push the L2 Agent and L3 Agent code by next week.15:32
SwamiMeanwhile in yesterday's discussion there was question that was raised about the multiple external networks and using the br-int instead of the br-ex.15:32
SwamiI am not sure if there was a discussion on this with safchain in this meeting today.15:32
safchainSwami, not yet15:33
carl_baldwinThat will be fine.  I imagine that the community will have more time for reviewing as Icehouse winds down and after the deadline for submitting summit sessions on the 20th.15:33
Swamisafchain: Today in Icehouse when we use multiple external networks, the networks are bridged from the br-int and not from the br-ex.15:33
safchainSwami, that was the subject of the email I sent to you15:33
Swamisafchain: Yes I did not understand the complete context when you sent me the email.15:34
safchainSwami, yes with provider networks and bridges_mappings15:34
Swamisorry it was my mistake.15:34
safchainSwami, np15:34
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SwamiSo when provider networks are in place where is the actual SNAT happening.15:35
SwamiIs it in the network node or in the provider network.15:35
safchainSwami, so yes with multiple networks there is a veth between br-int and the external bridge15:35
safchainin the network node, between the qg- and the qr15:35
safchainbut the qg is in the br-int15:36
SwamiSo if the qg is in the br-int then what is the use of the veth pair between the external bridge and the br-int15:37
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safchainso today it is a veth but with this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76685/, it will use a patch interface15:38
safchainSwami, map the local vlan to the ext vlan15:38
Swamisafchain: So the external traffic will hit the br-int qg_ and will leave the network node without touching the br-ex15:39
safchainright, no more br-ex15:39
SwamiIn this case will the existing services such as VPN will it still work.15:40
xuhanpsafchain, but the external bridge is still needed just like other physical interface bridge, right?15:40
safchainSwami, but you can use provider network for a service network private or shared15:40
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safchainxuhanp, no not needed15:41
safchainxuhanp, you can define a provider network as external15:41
Swamisafchain: Ok got it.15:41
xuhanpsafchain, OK. I see15:41
SwamiIn this case all the services will then be rendered by the provider network.15:41
safchainwe have a lot of customers which use provider networks15:42
SwamiDoes the provider network also takes care of assigning the Floating ip15:42
safchainSwami, it is exactly the same as with the br-ex15:42
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Swamisafchain: got it.15:43
safchainSwami, it is just the ovs lib which doesn't create the interface in the same way thanks to the bridge_mappings config parameter15:43
SwamiIf I have more questions I will ping you on this, while we are working on the North-South DVR implementation.15:43
safchainSwami, but you could have any external network, so any ext bridge15:44
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safchainSwami, I would like to talk with you about the l3 patch you submit and the vrrp15:44
safchainI don't have the time today, will you available tomorrow15:44
Swamisafchain: Feel free to shoot me an email.15:45
safchainSwami, great, i'll do15:45
SwamiI will be available tomorrow. If you would like to chat on IRC send me an email and I can log in.15:45
safchainSwami, ok, and we could talk about the ext net. as well15:46
carl_baldwinsafchain: Swami: Is there a summary of what needs to happen wrt br-int/br-ex in the context of DVR or VRRP?15:46
Swamicarl: Yes the DVR team need to evaluate the Ovs rules for the provider network case and validate the scenario.15:47
SwamiI will probably give an update in the next week about this.15:47
safchaincarl_baldwin, I think for the VRRP part it should be ok15:47
carl_baldwinSwami: safchain:  Great, thank you.15:47
SwamiIn the context of the DVR - L3 vrrp patch I will work with safchain and see how we can bring it together.15:47
safchaincarl_baldwin, already tested, but of course needs more tests15:47
Swamicarl: That's all I have from the DVR team.15:48
carl_baldwinSwami: Thanks for the update.15:48
safchainsorry guys I have to go now, Swami see you tomorrow, carl_baldwin thx for the meeting15:48
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carl_baldwinsafchain: bye15:49
safchainbye15:49
Swamisafchain: thank you15:49
carl_baldwin#topic Open Discussion15:49
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overlayersafchain, cya15:50
carl_baldwinThanks to all who have participated.  Have a great week!15:51
Swamibye15:51
carl_baldwin#endmeeting15:52
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nextone92thanks!15:52
overlayerHello, I am picking up on a blueprint that was initially envisioned for Havana, which allows using an external distant router for connecting to virtual networks (while keeping already connected legacy networks) untouched)15:52
overlayerI'm not sure whether this aligns well with Neutron's objectives, but maybe you can give me some suggestions on how to improve that15:54
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overlayerhere's the bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/provider-router, it was originally meant to change the L3 agent, but now it proposes the creation of another agent15:54
nextone92Hi overlayer, I've included some of the concepts from the provider router blueprint in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/bgp-dynamic-routing15:56
overlayerthe idea is: if I have a company and I need to migrate the legacy IP networks to the cloud, one by one, I can use the functionality provided by that blueprint to achieve that and maintain addressing and reachability completely unchanged from the legacy netowrk's point of view15:56
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overlayernextone92, my interest in bgp dynamic routing has rised now, let me take a look15:57
nextone92It would be very interesting to learn more about your use case15:58
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overlayerit's truly a WIP, but I just wanted to get some feedback about it15:59
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overlayerit was started by fmanco last year and I have picked it up now16:00
nextone92Well, I'm still a newbie in Neutron world - so take my opinion at that worth :)16:01
nextone92I think it would be logical to have an abstract of a "provider" router locally16:03
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nextone92it doesn't have to be an actual router - simply the protocols/mechanisms to talk to actual external provider routers16:03
overlayernextone92, yes!16:03
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nextone92The dynamic routing blueprint proposes adding a "Gateway Specification" which explains how to connect OpenStack deployment to upstream router(s)16:06
nextone92I think it's similar to "provider" router16:06
overlayeroh, thanks for filtering that up for me :)16:07
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nextone92You're welcome, it would be great if you find it useful16:08
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overlayernextone92, let's go to #openstack-neutron, this is a meeting channel16:12
nextone92Sounds good16:13
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rockygo/17:04
rockygo/17:04
zehicle_at_dello- (monitoring but not available for dialog)17:04
tedchang:)17:04
catherine|2here17:04
rockygdavidlenwell isn't here, so should I start the meeting?17:05
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rockyg#startmeeting Refstack17:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 10 17:07:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:07
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'refstack'17:07
rockygroll call17:07
rockyg#topic progress updates17:08
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troytomanhere but probably not of much use!17:09
rockyg:-)  catherineD, tedchang?17:09
tedchanghere17:09
catherine|2Here17:09
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rockygfcarpenter waiman17:10
catherine|2pinging waiman17:11
rockygI guess I'll start.  Been looking at sphinx and trying to get it to document the code.  It finds the modules and sets up the docs partially, but won't do things like classes and stuff.17:12
rockygPlus, it won't capture comments, only stuff in the source files that have doubledouble-quotes.17:12
rockygAnd I expect I'll need to migrate to oslosphinx once I do get it working properly.17:13
rockygSo, so far I have docs with headings but no content within the headings17:14
rockygThat's it for me.  catherine|2 and team?17:15
catherine|2ic Our practice is using  doubledouble-quites for headers and # for in-line17:15
catherine|2We have been working closely with David ..17:15
catherine|2mostly updating to get ready for gearman17:16
rockygYeah.  I'd like to get at least some of the # stuff to be incorporated, but I don't see a way with the sphinx maekup17:16
catherine|2Raymond is stuck in traffic17:16
rockygGreat.  Gearman is going to be key, I think, for demos and discussion.17:17
rockygDo we have a working tcup implementation my colleagues can try?  I thought we were there from what I've seen go by in reviews.17:17
catherine|2Raymond also working on enabling backend for report .. right now he is writing some very simple front-end17:17
rockygfront-end for report?17:18
catherine|2yes but that is just sample code ... our focus is the back-end methods ..17:19
rockygGood.  The back-end *is* the important part.  Just need the simple to show human parsable results right now.17:20
catherine|2Lot's of coding discussionamong Ted, Raymond and David in the past few days ..17:20
catherine|2rockyg:  exactly17:20
rockygGood.17:20
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tedchangbtw, rocky the current implementation is using tcpu.17:21
rockygI've tried to extract the flows from the urls tedchang provided last week.  Especially the man page.  All I can get are images, though.17:21
rockygtedchang tcup ;-)17:22
rockygtcpu used to be a vms command to show realtime cpu usage17:22
rockygI'm putting the flow images into the architecture section of the wiki.  Either links or images.  I've done both for the moment.17:23
praveen_dellhello guys17:23
catherine|2rockyg: Thx17:23
rockygHey, Praveen!  any staus updates?17:24
praveen_delli have tested the latest code,it just builts the docker container17:24
catherine|2praveen_dell: Hello17:24
praveen_delli am updating tcp.md  file,will submit as a patch17:24
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rockygexcellent.17:24
rockygpraveen_dell, read the roll-up.  If you have any questions, ask as we move along.17:25
praveen_dellsure17:25
rockygI think we've got the progress doc'ed here.  What should the next topic be?17:26
rockyg#topic Summit17:28
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catherine|2wha is plan to collect data from various clouds?17:28
rockygWe've got the proposal fleshed out.  Thanks, guys.17:28
catherine|2rockyg: see the update .THANK YOU!17:29
rockygcatherine|2:  I thought DB.  I think the the DB needs more thought and design discussion.17:29
rockygbefore we go to db, quick question: who will be at the summit?17:30
catherine|2yes that is one of the topic we have been discussing with David ..17:30
catherine|2We can only go after our session is approved17:30
rockygI am expecting to be there, bu my boss is travelling at the moment.17:31
praveen_dellwhere is the summit?17:31
rockygSession aproval is still at least a week awy, I think.17:31
rockygAtlanta.17:31
rockygGeorgia, USA17:32
praveen_dellumm,no chance for me to attend17:32
praveen_dellso far17:32
rockygDang.17:32
catherine|2Refstack session link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/19717:32
praveen_dellare you guys planning to demo Tcup project?17:33
rockygI'm wondering if we should propose any others.  Like some open discussions around refstack and defcore selesctions17:34
rockygWe need a demo for the summit.  Even if it's very choriographed.17:34
catherine|2rockyg: make sense ..17:34
praveen_dell1+17:35
catherine|2where would we demo?  During the session?17:35
rockygYes.17:35
davidlenwellHi17:35
catherine|2Maybe that should be a topic for next week ... when everyone is here17:35
praveen_dellI can't open summit link17:35
rockygHey davidlenwell!17:35
davidlenwellI'm about to shut off my phone17:36
davidlenwellFlight about to depart17:36
rockygyou can read after.  mostly status and there will be some action items17:37
catherine|2davidlenwell: Hello , so not much time?17:37
rockygdavidlenwell: anything you want to say before you sign off?17:37
davidlenwellReview my code ;)17:38
rockygWill do;-)17:38
rockygAlthough the others will be better for it;-)17:38
catherine|2davidlenwell: Raymond did ... and we also need to make some update ..17:38
rockygI'll take an action to put together a strawman for demo we can modify.17:39
rockyglet's move to db topic17:39
catherine|2Ted also review17:39
rockyg#topic Database discussions17:39
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rockygI assume part of the discussions have been on the added complexity of private data vs public data?17:40
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praveen_dellis that mean user who are  pushing tempest results to refstack UI can only compare with their previous set of results?17:42
rockygpeople need to be able to say whether data is "publishable" or not17:43
praveen_dellokay17:44
rockygAnd prople can submit unofficial data tha could be used for aggregation, but can't be individually visible17:44
rockyg^people17:44
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rockygAnd I would expect that people could elect to thow out the data from a specific run.  Obviously right after the run completes, but what about some time after more runs have occurred?17:46
rockygcatherine|2: are the discussions with davidlenwell on IRC, skype or phone conference?17:47
catherine|2mostly on IRC #refstack or in the review comments17:47
rockygThanks.  Maybe we should schedule a meeting so Praveen and others could join the discussion?  Maybe once the design is closer or do you think more heads could help move it along?17:49
rockygII'm sure zehicle_at_dell would also like to contribute.17:50
catherine|2rockyg: +1 also for next week we should discuss about the summit session ...so we can prepare ..17:50
rockygYes.17:51
catherine|2Thank you!17:51
rockyg#action schedule meeting to discuss DB design based on privacy/security/use cases requirements17:51
rockyg#action agenda for next week to include topic on summit session - topics, demo, etc17:52
praveen_dell1+17:53
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rockygpraveen_dell: what are you utc hours of availability?  I think we at least need audio and either screen share or an etherpad17:54
praveen_dellup to 6pm utc should be fine for me17:55
rockygSo, 1800utc, which is 11am pdt17:56
praveen_dellcorrect17:57
rockygI'm thinking 1700 utc to start, again.  I'll get davidlenwell's availability and zehicle_at_dell and I think we might want joshuamckenty17:58
praveen_dell1+17:59
praveen_dellwhen are you planning the meeting?17:59
rockygI think part of the key here is this needs to be more of a traditonal database than most of the ops dbs in OpenStack. So design is much more critical.17:59
rockygNot before Wednesday.18:00
praveen_dellok18:00
praveen_dellis there anything to discuss now?18:01
rockygzehicle_at_dell has some schedule complexities next week, as does davidlenwell (still in Canada), so maybe mailing list to work out meeting times.  Is the list even working?18:01
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rockygNope.  Wrapping up.  Last call for getting things on agenda. any more discussion should move to #refstack.18:02
rockygHearing none, #endmeeting18:03
praveen_dellyeah18:04
rockyg#endmeeting18:04
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catherine|2rockyg: ttyl18:04
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