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| carl_baldwin | Hi all. | 15:00 |
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| pcm__ | hi | 15:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Another week has gone by... | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi mestery, pcm__ | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 15:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | This week-end is the deadline to submit topics for the summit. | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I will submit a couple of topics as soon as I get approval to do so. ;) | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic ML3 / L3 Vendor plugins | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ML3 / L3 Vendor plugins (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| carl_baldwin | As discussed in the Neutron meeting on Monday, this is added to today's agenda. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm sure there are many thinking about this from different angles. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | I'd like to start by asking you all what you hope to get out of this discussion. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | For me, I would like to hear some concrete use cases for this feature. To get my gears turning. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I'd also like to know how we can use the time leading to the summit to prepare for a productive conversation. | 15:05 |
| pcm__ | I have some w/what I see with VPN | 15:05 |
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| pcm__ | Big one is that currently, a vendor (or alternate service driver) has no way to do validation before info is persisted. | 15:06 |
| pcm__ | As a result, all that can be done is placing the resource in error state. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I see that you've started a blueprint on that. | 15:07 |
| pcm__ | yes: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l3-svcs-vendor-validation | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Are you planning to submit a blueprint specification to gerrit? | 15:08 |
| pcm__ | Yeah, just need to learn about what I need to do for that | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | BTW, the summit discussion topic is here: | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/81 | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: Yes, there is a new learning curve with the new process. I know from experience. ;) | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | It is worth learning though. I think the new process is a big improvement. | 15:10 |
| pcm__ | mestery: Will probably need some pointers on what to do there. | 15:10 |
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| mestery | pcm__: Sure! Look here for starters: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Neutron | 15:10 |
| pcm__ | mestery: thanks | 15:10 |
| mestery | pcm__: If you have questions, please reach out. This is new for all of us. :) | 15:10 |
| pcm__ | roger that | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: I also found that checking out the new repository and making sure that tox runs in the directory is a good start. There is a nice read me and a template. | 15:11 |
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| pcm__ | carl_baldwin: cool. I'll have to do that next. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: cool. Back to the blueprints. I think I'd like to see a few concrete examples, like your VPN example, that lay down some motivation for the features. | 15:12 |
| pcm__ | So, in general, just trying to think of ways to fit vendor plugins in, as things are very centric to reference implementation. | 15:13 |
| overlayer | I'm interested in the L3 vendor plugins, could it be explored in such a way as to enable distant, legacy routers to act as a normal neutron router for virtual networks? For instance, this blueprint expands on that idea: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/provider-router | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | Ultimately, we'll want a general framework that supports it but I always like to start with the concrete examples. | 15:14 |
| overlayer | if that router could somehow be used as a vendor plugin, it would be awesome and better align with neutron's architecture | 15:14 |
| mestery | overlayer: That's a very interesting use case, and I think it maps into what pcm__ is thinking here as well. | 15:14 |
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| Swami | How will this architecture fit into the distributed model. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: overlayer: That is the kind of content I would like to see in the blueprint. A paragraph about how these blueprints fit together would be great. | 15:15 |
| overlayer | the idea is that a (usually) physical router (at the other side of the internet) be used to route traffic from a virtual network to other networks (that may be physical), encapsulating the traffic that goes through the internet (as if the virtual network was directly connected) | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: That is a great point as well. We will soon have the distinction between services that can be distributed and those that cannot. | 15:17 |
| Swami | carl: yes that would give a clear idea. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: sounds like a vpn use case. Is it different? | 15:18 |
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| overlayer | pcm__: carl_baldwin mestery, Yes, the provider-router BP has some similarities to VPN so some ideas could be discussed... | 15:19 |
| overlayer | carl_baldwin: It is similar but aims at making legacy router connectivity to virtual networks as straightfoward as possible | 15:20 |
| overlayer | in such a way that companies can migrate their legacy networks to the cloud as painlessly as possible | 15:21 |
| AndChat|112404 | Is it basically a way to integrate a physical router in the virtual topology? | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: What sort of encapsulation do you imagine between the cloud network and the "distant" router. Are you thinking of connecting L2 segments between the two networks? Or is this just L3 routing to the new cloud networks? | 15:22 |
| overlayer | I have a feeling it doesn't fit very well in neutron's path right now, and some use cases or concepts are overlapping or at the wrong place... but if the end result could be made possible, it would be awesome | 15:22 |
| mestery | AndChat|112404: That's what I was thinking this was. overlayer, is this correct? | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: overlayer: Could you take action items to document the use cases that you have in mind? Either wiki or blueprint is fine but please link to them from the L3 sub team wiki page. | 15:24 |
| overlayer | carl_baldwin: as of now, I'm thinking of the distant router establishing a tunnel to neutron (to each of the VMs) by automatic configuration made by neutron | 15:24 |
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| pcm__ | carl_baldwin: Sure. I have some use case info, but will add more. | 15:25 |
| overlayer | carl_baldwin: the rest is routing (between virtual networks), made by that same distant router | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: A simple diagram might help to communicate it clearly. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | #action pcm__ document known use cases. | 15:26 |
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| overlayer | I have one in google docs | 15:26 |
| overlayer | page 4 | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: is that linked from the blueprint? | 15:26 |
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| overlayer | I have proposed a DPR agent, which is basically the same as the L3 agent but encapsulates a distant router instead of a virtual one | 15:26 |
| overlayer | carl_baldwin: yes | 15:27 |
| pcm__ | mestery: Should I put the use cases in the BP spec? | 15:27 |
| pcm__ | (in gerrit) | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: Thanks. | 15:28 |
| mestery | pcm__: I think that's the best place for them. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's move on. I need to review these blueprints further and I'm sure others do as well. pcm__ I'm looking forward to seeing the specifications even if it is just a rough start. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:30 |
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| pcm__ | carl_baldwin: yeah, me too :) | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: I think that having them in place will make for a better discussion at summit. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Any updates? | 15:30 |
| safchain | safchain, Hi all | 15:31 |
| safchain | submitted a new patch set of the DB side in order to address some comments | 15:31 |
| safchain | reviewed the l3 BP part of DVR to understand how the central agent will work | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | I will add that to my review cue. I think that many of us may be able to find some time to review again now that Icehouse is released and summit topics are almost submitted. | 15:32 |
| safchain | made some comment/question on the gdoc | 15:32 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, great | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Thanks for reviewing DVR. That is a pretty hot item for Juno. | 15:33 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, yes sure | 15:33 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, that's all for mr | 15:34 |
| safchain | me | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll encourage others to review l3-high-availability and neutron-ovs-dvr now that we're in to Juno. We would like both to land early in the cycle. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, safchain | 15:34 |
| Swami | safchain: one other thing that we wanted to make sure, is that the vrrp code can be utilized for the Service node in dvr. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bgp-dynamic-routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:34 | |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: hi | 15:34 |
| nextone92 | Hi Carl! | 15:34 |
| safchain | Swami, yes sure, let's talk about that after | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | I see that you've submitted a summit topic. | 15:34 |
| nextone92 | Yes: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/283 | 15:35 |
| nextone92 | The blueprint is a gdoc at the moment | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | No worries. It will take us all a little time to convert to restructured text and merge with the template. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: Anything to highlight? | 15:36 |
| nextone92 | Not at the moment, I didn't see any feedback from the document or on the mailing list | 15:36 |
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| overlayer | I have read the blueprint, and have some feedback | 15:37 |
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| nextone92 | Great! Thank you overlayer | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: Feel free to provide that feedback on the blueprint or ask on the ML. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic rootwrap-daemon-mode | 15:38 |
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| overlayer | why only BGP? did you think of a more generic way that can encompass different protocols while keeping the use cases intact? | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:38 |
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| overlayer | carl_baldwin: on the blueprint, the doc? or here too? | 15:38 |
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| overlayer | carl_baldwin: got it | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: It is intended that this be done with a generic interface. However, BGP is the implementation that seems to have the most interest for a first implementation. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: In the doc would be great. | 15:39 |
| overlayer | carl_baldwin: thank you | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | overlayer: yw | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic rootwrap-daemon-mode | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | ago, YorikSar: Are you around? | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | We'll continue discussion in the reviews. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/rootwrap-daemon-mode,n,z | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:41 |
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| Swami | carl: hi | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi. I wanted to make sure that you had some meeting time left to discuss. | 15:41 |
| Swami | DVR Progress update. | 15:42 |
| Swami | East-West completed. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Excellent! | 15:42 |
| Swami | FIPs completed for the North-South and working on the Service node right now. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I have started my review. I encourage all to review. | 15:42 |
| Swami | L2 Agent code was posted for review. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:42 |
| Swami | It is good that we are getting early review. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ This is a great link to track DVR review progress. Bookmark it! :) | 15:43 |
| Swami | We are trying to address the reviews while we are working on the other aspects of the DVR. | 15:43 |
| mestery | +1 to the link carl_baldwin! | 15:43 |
| Swami | In the coming week we will be posting the remaining code patches for L3 Agent and for the Scheduler. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I hope that the feedback has been constructive. | 15:43 |
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| Swami | carl: Sure it is of great use for us. | 15:44 |
| mestery | Swami carl_baldwin: Per the new BP process, it would be great to get BPs into neutron-specs for review as well! | 15:44 |
| Swami | Especially since we are targeting the DVR for the Juno milestone 1 it would be of great help if we have early feedback. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | A word to reviewers. In order to not bog down the development process. While the patches are WIP maybe we can stay away from nits and focus on the high level implementation details. | 15:44 |
| mestery | I expect those to pass pretty quickly, but it's the new process and all, so I encourage that too. | 15:44 |
| mestery | Swami: Are the patches in a state where people can test them out? I'd like to try them soon. | 15:45 |
| Swami | mestery: Thanks for reminding me. I was about to ask, since we have already reviewed the blueprint should be again follow the new model to push our blueprint | 15:45 |
| Swami | mestery: Yes it should be in a state to test. These are internal working code. | 15:45 |
| mestery | Swami: Yes, the new BP process works such that features which miss a release need to re-propose at the start of the next cycle. Nova is doing the same, so we're consistent there. | 15:45 |
| mestery | Swami: Great! I will go ahead and try them out, thanks! | 15:45 |
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| Swami | mestery: Thanks for confirmation. I will do it asap. | 15:46 |
| mestery | Swami: Thanks! | 15:46 |
| Swami | mestery: You may have to wait for the other patches that are requirement for the complete flow. | 15:46 |
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| mestery | Swami: OK, got it, I'll keep on the lookout on gerrit. ;) | 15:46 |
| Swami | That's all I have from the DVR side. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks for the update. Great progress. | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Multiple Subnets on External Network | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple Subnets on External Network (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:47 | |
| carl_baldwin | I introduced this topic last week because I was unable to get multiple floating ip subnets to work on an external network. | 15:48 |
| Swami | carl: For the multiple subnets on External network, also we had an issue with the DVR with the latest code. | 15:49 |
| Swami | Since there was a change in the bridge mapping behaviour for the multiple subnets for Extenal network. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | I played with it a bit and found that it actually isn't as broken as I thought. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I know that you were playing around with multiple external networks. I want to make sure that we're talking about the same thing. | 15:50 |
| Swami | We are still looking into it to see how the DVR rules can work in a multiple subnet scenario. | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | There are multiple external networks, supported by provider networks. Then, there are multiple subnets on a single external network. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Can you confirm which one specifically you are talking about just to be clear? | 15:51 |
| Swami | carl: You are right, I am talking about the multiple external networks and you are talking about the multiple subnets on single network. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I had a feeling. ;) | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I actually was able to get multiple floating ip subnets to work on a single external network in devstack with only a couple of little hacks. I plan to file a bug and post a patch soon. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I was actually very pleased. I was worried it was going to be a lot of work and require a new blueprint and all that. But I found that the code is pretty much all there, it just needs a couple of little fixes. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, that is my report an that. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:54 | |
| pcm__ | carl_baldwin: Can you post link for L3 team sub page? | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: Sure thing | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:55 |
| pcm__ | carl_baldwin: thanks! | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thank you all for your great work. I look forward to seeing progress in all of these areas. | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | Until next week. | 15:58 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, thx | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 15:58:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-04-17-15.01.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-04-17-15.01.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-04-17-15.01.log.html | 15:58 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell, catherineD time for a refstack meeting ? | 17:00 |
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| catherineD | Hello | 17:09 |
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| fcarpenter | hi | 17:10 |
| praveen_dell | hello | 17:11 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting | 17:12 |
| openstack | davidlenwell: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 17:12 |
| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 17:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 17:12:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:12 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 17:12 |
| davidlenwell | roll call? | 17:12 |
| catherineD | Here | 17:12 |
| tedchang | here | 17:12 |
| fcarpenter | morning | 17:12 |
| davidlenwell | morning everyone | 17:13 |
| praveen_dell | good evening | 17:13 |
| davidlenwell | #topic summit session | 17:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit session (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:13 | |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: will you be able to attend the openstack summit? | 17:13 |
| catherineD | Last I check the session is pre-accepted? | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. I think it will go through | 17:14 |
| catherineD | we can only travel if it is accepted .. | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. so we'll know soon enough | 17:14 |
| catherineD | yes .. only then we can make travel request | 17:15 |
| davidlenwell | costs more that way.. I personally live in hope that it will be .. | 17:16 |
| davidlenwell | but I was going to the summit anyways | 17:16 |
| catherineD | good good, I think Rocky is too .. | 17:16 |
| davidlenwell | okay moving right along | 17:16 |
| praveen_dell | i would like to attend the summit | 17:16 |
| davidlenwell | praveen_dell: tell rob you must attend ;) | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | #topic execute_test madness | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "execute_test madness (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:17 | |
| davidlenwell | So I was hoping for either more pushback on what I did in execute_test or a working tcup build from rob.. I guess he's going to work on it tomorrow | 17:18 |
| catherineD | Last status is Ted waits waiting for davidlenwell: before making more change to execute_test? | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: I posted a review of it and asked you gusy to review it durring the last meeitng | 17:19 |
| catherineD | you understand what I mean :-) | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | since it was blocking rob from his work I merged the code | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | tedchang: did you get a chance to review it .. it was your code I started off with | 17:20 |
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| catherineD | They did | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | he didn't | 17:21 |
| tedchang | both me and ray left comments on it | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | only on docker_buildfile.template not in the execute_test code it self | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | that actually is a good point .. | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | the docker_buildfile.template pulls the script from refstack .. that is one thing i want to change .. | 17:22 |
| catherineD | ok so the code is merged .. | 17:22 |
| tedchang | execute_test I looked but I have to try to really make sure it will work | 17:23 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like for it to get the script from git rather than from an http call .. for one .. an http call is very insecure | 17:23 |
| davidlenwell | to wget a file from a url then execute it leaves us open for man in the middle attacks | 17:23 |
| davidlenwell | I don't forsee execute_test changing much in the future once its working .. so I don't want to keep this model .. | 17:24 |
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| davidlenwell | if you look at what I did I started to make execute_test an installable package with tempest as a dependancy | 17:25 |
| davidlenwell | what I would love to do is get it into its own repo called "refstack-tester" or something and get it into pypy so that it can just be pip installed on testing nodes | 17:25 |
| davidlenwell | what do you guys think about that ? | 17:26 |
| catherineD | Here is Raymond last comment "The main purpose of using the get-script api is to make sure the script and the dockerfile are of the same version. Getting the script from github cannot guarantee they are of the same release." | 17:27 |
| davidlenwell | that is a valid argument | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | but the api needs to be version locked moving forward anyways | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | so that the live copy of refstack.org gets api/v1 api/v2 and so forth .. | 17:29 |
| davidlenwell | because refstack.org's api needs to be able to accept data from any version of the tester | 17:29 |
| davidlenwell | I understand thats hard to do when things are changing rapidly .. but things can't keep shifting as much as they will int he beginings of a project | 17:30 |
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| catherineD | I have no problem with that ..... We need to focus ... at this point the most important thing is to collect data .. agree? | 17:31 |
| davidlenwell | agreed | 17:31 |
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| catherineD | so what we have so far .. we are able to collect some data ... how do we enable others to collect data? are they willing to just run what we have that is working ? | 17:32 |
| s3wong | Is this the Neutron group-policy meeting? | 17:32 |
| banix | s3wong: no | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | s3wong: no this is refstack | 17:32 |
| banix | alt | 17:32 |
| banix | s3wong: we are at the meeting-alt channel | 17:33 |
| s3wong | banix: Thanks | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: so what we have so far doesn't allow that currently .. if rob can finish what he is working on we'll be able to collect data from anyone | 17:33 |
| catherineD | We have been collecting data via Refstack path .. | 17:34 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: but that data is not going back to refstack.org's central database | 17:34 |
| catherineD | the that is what we need to work on ... | 17:34 |
| davidlenwell | we're missing the publish results part of the story | 17:34 |
| catherineD | make sure that data can be sent back to centrol Refstack | 17:35 |
| catherineD | should we concentrated on the send back center Refstack ? | 17:35 |
| davidlenwell | possibly .. | 17:35 |
| catherineD | Raymond had a TCUP version that is working ... | 17:36 |
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| catherineD | it may not be the final version .. we all understand that ... | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | are you reffering to the shell scripts ? | 17:36 |
| catherineD | I refer to this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84320/ | 17:37 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. that one | 17:37 |
| catherineD | this is a very quick thing that we put together just for data collection ... understand that it may no be final .. | 17:37 |
| praveen_dell | i have tested existing tcup,it only builds the docker container and exports openstack properties on to docker container | 17:38 |
| catherineD | I really want to see some other data ... | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: so do I .. | 17:38 |
| catherineD | we can focus on the send back data ... I have data that I collect from Havana (all in one) env that I can pulbish | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | so rob tells me he'll have time tomorrow to finish what he was working on .. the tcup.py aproach | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | that is .. sourcing an openstack.rc file that a user gets from the cloud they want tested | 17:40 |
| catherineD | np .. just that we need data ... I found that there are more configuration in tempest.config that we need to consider ... that is why I would like to see more data from other env | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | then kicking off a script that grabs the already built container and runs it with the env variables | 17:40 |
| catherineD | source openstack.rc is definitetly not enough .. | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | it should be able to auto discover the rest | 17:41 |
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| catherineD | one example ... network .. | 17:41 |
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| davidlenwell | upstream tempest is close to having the networking auto discovery built .. | 17:41 |
| catherineD | if you env has more than one network and your network name is not named "private" or "public" so need to confgure those parameters ... | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | not sure how long it will take for that code to make it into havana stable | 17:42 |
| catherineD | discovery is also a problem .. let say I discover 10 networks then which one should I use? | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | that is going to require some thought .. | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | lets get back to a network / config discussion offline | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | we're low on time | 17:43 |
| catherineD | yes .. a lot more configuration needed as I start to collect data | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | okay . we're running low on time so I am going to move to another topic | 17:43 |
| catherineD | sure | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | #topic #infra testing | 17:43 |
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| davidlenwell | So while at pycon over the weekend I had a chance to chat face to face with jim blair | 17:44 |
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| davidlenwell | he's ptl of infra .. the group we want to host this thing long term | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | and he sorta shattered some of my dreams about how I wanted to trigger tests using pure openstack things.. | 17:44 |
| catherineD | praveen_dell: may be take a look at this one for some idea https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84320/ of how we run test ... Let's move to the next subject | 17:45 |
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| davidlenwell | but then explained a workable solution that might be a better idea anyways | 17:45 |
| praveen_dell | @catherineD sure | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | that is essentially to just use the infra system to run tests | 17:45 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: that is refstack will be hosted on infra system? | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | without explaining in detail how infra works .. | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: yes .. it will | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | but even before it is .. they can host the testing env | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | they have a thing called nodepool | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | and another thing called zuul | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | nodepool just makes a bunch of ready to run .. one time use vm's for running tests .. their config is passed to them with a yaml file | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | when they boot up they ask zuul for jobs.. zuul gives them a job and then keeps track of its progress | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | So we can piggy back on that | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | create our own node type for nodepool | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | and im paraphrasing here .. but essentially it will keep an army of ready to run single use vm's at our disposal | 17:49 |
| davidlenwell | that we can then trigger and let run and report home with results | 17:49 |
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| davidlenwell | anyways .. long story short .. my original gearman spec is close to what we'll end up with but not exactly .. and I'll amend the spec to more closely match that | 17:52 |
| catherineD | cool | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open discussion | 17:53 |
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| davidlenwell | is there anything anyone needs to talk about ? | 17:54 |
| catherineD | so we will work on the send data back to code so we can collect data .... agree? | 17:54 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: I feel like the networking discussion isn't going to be an easy solution .. perhaps we'll need to make this user entered feilds to start with | 17:54 |
| catherineD | yes exactly ... | 17:55 |
| catherineD | that is why it is important to have more people test to discover more ... | 17:55 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: since refstack.org already has a public method for accepting data .. we just need to make a call out to api thing on the local refstack that can send things to it | 17:55 |
| catherineD | i have the same thinking as yours that we may need more user data enter than we would like to ... | 17:55 |
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| catherineD | ok will do that to call the pulbikc methoid .... | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: can you write a spec before writing any code please ? | 17:56 |
| catherineD | At this time data is what we need ... | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | the public method might have to be change .. the database might need some alteration | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | and I just want it to be thought through | 17:57 |
| catherineD | we will but we do not see writing any more code before discussion with the team ... | 17:57 |
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| davidlenwell | the questions in the spec template are designed to take out the guessing on the impact of changes | 17:57 |
| catherineD | ic | 17:58 |
| catherineD | will do | 17:58 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. I look forward to seeing that .. I'll be back at piston hq full time next week .. So my hours will be more regular and we'll see more commits out of me | 17:59 |
| catherineD | great! maybe we need an other f-2-r | 18:00 |
| catherineD | f2f | 18:00 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. im open to that | 18:00 |
| davidlenwell | we should plan for after the 1st of the month tho .. piston is moving offices right now | 18:00 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 18:00:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-04-17-17.12.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-04-17-17.12.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-04-17-17.12.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 18:07:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| mandeep | Hi Group policy folks? | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:07 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:07 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:07 |
| banix | hi | 18:07 |
| s3wong | clearly the channel wasn't booked fully | 18:07 |
| banix | s3wong: you knew something about this channel :) | 18:07 |
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| s3wong | but is it available from 17:00 onward? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Policy plugin driver update | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Policy plugin driver update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:07 | |
| s3wong | banix: yeah - but I didn't stay on :-) | 18:07 |
| rkukura | I’m working towards a short term goal: | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sorry for cutting your update | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: please go ahead | 18:08 |
| rockyg | Uh, Refstack has it 1700-1800 | 18:08 |
| rkukura | o drive creation of the neutron network, subnet, and port resources via the group API, with all traffic allowed | 18:08 |
| s3wong | rockyg: I was thinking of doing #openstack-meeting-alt from 1700-1800 | 18:09 |
| rkukura | Then s3wong and I can work in parallel from that on mapping the policies | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that sounds like a good plan to me | 18:09 |
| rkukura | Does this approach make sense? | 18:09 |
| banix | rkukura: thanks yes. is this already in your branch? | 18:09 |
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| s3wong | rkukura: sounds good. The service stuff would need more clarity before I can do into full-mode coding anyway :-) | 18:10 |
| rockyg | s3wong: Ah. That would work. Also an fyi for the RefStack: we stay PST/PDT, so the UTC time shifts with daylight savings time. But that's our problem. | 18:10 |
| rkukura | banix: not yes - I’m building the unit tests on top of what SumitNaiksatam has done, and needed to complete some of that first | 18:10 |
| rkukura | s/not yes/not yet/ | 18:10 |
| thinrichs | rkukura: so are we assuming no one has already created their own networks/ports/etc.? | 18:10 |
| banix | rkukura: ok. thanks. | 18:10 |
| rkukura | thinrichs: I don’t think we need to assume that, but maybe we can defer handling it | 18:11 |
| thinrichs | I was just anticipating objections from the people who like the non-policy API. | 18:11 |
| thinrichs | If our first use case demonstrates that the two APIs can be used together, it will squash their objections. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: yes, thats the goal | 18:12 |
| banix | i think that will be the case | 18:12 |
| rkukura | thinrichs: Fair enough, but making this really work might require the plugin intercept stuff that we are deferring for a bit | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that’s correc | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *correct | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: we are iterating towards that goal in terms of implementation | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: hopefully the patch we push upstream will have this from the get go | 18:13 |
| rkukura | I’m trying to do as little as possible in the 1st iteration so we can get people working in parallel ASAP | 18:13 |
| thinrichs | Understood--I was just thinking about making the demo something that helps everyone understand where we are and where we're headed. | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thinrichs: absolutely, good to have that thought processing going | 18:14 |
| rkukura | thinrichs: I’ll at least include TODO comments for this | 18:14 |
| thinrichs | rkukura: good plan. | 18:14 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Are you on board with the approach I described? | 18:15 |
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| s3wong | rkukura: yes (as mentioned above :-) ) | 18:15 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Sorry, see it now | 18:15 |
| rkukura | Anything else on the mapping driver for now? | 18:16 |
| s3wong | rkukura: thanks for setting the groundwork | 18:16 |
| s3wong | rkukura: seems like it's just you and me :-) | 18:16 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: What’s next on the agenda? | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, are you dont with your update? | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for rkukura s3wong? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Python Client and CLI | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python Client and CLI (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:18 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: there? | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: delayed on this, have CLI for end-poing and epg | 18:19 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Is it advizable to keep pushing updates to my github branch without squashing? | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | will complete the rest next week | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: nice, i guess delayed is good, since we are evolving the api | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | caught up with a few thins this week | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks, end of this week is good | 18:20 |
| hemanthravi | might be wed of next week, is that ok | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, we need to sort out the branching | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: lets talk about it | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: strech goal, this weekend? just kidding :-) | 18:21 |
| mandeep | rkukura: I am deliquent in sending my update on branch usage, I will do so today | 18:21 |
| rkukura | mandeep: OK | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: perhaps just getting one single resource working wil be good for now | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: after that it will be mechanical | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: ok will push that out | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | well hopefully | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: btw, thanks for the earlier update, forgot to mention ;-P | 18:22 |
| banix | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Horizon integration | 18:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon integration (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:22 | |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: oh? someone is working on Horizon? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: did prasad offer to pursue this? or was it Subra? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or neither? | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay may be we need to check who the owner for this is | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: need to check on this, haven't started on it for sure | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, understand | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else want to jump in, please feel free | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Design summit session | 18:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design summit session (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:24 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have requested a session for this | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure that we will get a time slot, we will know soon | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we get it, we will be presenting as a team | 18:25 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hopefully we will be enable to get a design session ;-) | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix i think you commented on the session | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks! need more of those :-P | 18:25 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: also you, banix, and I will have to prep for the general presentation | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, thats the next topic | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Conference Session | 18:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Conference Session (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:26 | |
| banix | Shall we try to meet on Monday of the sumit week? just us? may be? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix s3wong and mestery got a conference slot to present this | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery wont be able to do it now, since he is swamped | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he asked me to step in | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: great idea | 18:27 |
| s3wong | banix: will there be slides (I would think so) - so we would have to work on that prior to arriving at the Sumit (at least I hope we do) :-) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: lets do that | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: slides for the conference, yes | 18:27 |
| banix | meeting on monday will be for design session and discussions | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: most probably not for the design session | 18:27 |
| banix | for the general conference talk yes we have to have slides ready before getting there :) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the conference session, yes lets all collaborate as a team again to put a coherent message out there, in terms of what we are trying to do here | 18:28 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Oh - I was confused, I thought banix was talking about the conference presentation | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes sure | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the meeting will be good in general, not just for preparing for the conf presentation | 18:28 |
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| banix | s3wong: yeah that comment was for the earlier topic… too slow :) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have a min | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed out? | 18:29 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: meeting time | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: nice, thats a pain | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah we will have to change again | 18:30 |
| s3wong | clearly #openstack-meeting-alt isn't working for 17:30 | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | -meeting-3 is also not available at 17.30 | 18:30 |
| s3wong | it seems like we may want to do 17:00 on #openstack-meeting-alt | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or 18.00 on -meeting-3 | 18:30 |
| banix | or 18:00? | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah ^^^ | 18:30 |
| s3wong | though 1700 may eat into banix's lunch time :-) | 18:30 |
| * mestery peeks back in for a bit. | 18:30 | |
| mestery | I can help review slides as well if you guys want! :) | 18:30 |
| s3wong | mestery: great | 18:31 |
| banix | yeah i prefer 18:00 but 17:00 is ok if we have to | 18:31 |
| mandeep | I vote for 18:00 as well | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: absolutely, thats a given :-) | 18:31 |
| banix | mestery: great; will have to start working on them soon. will keep you updated | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong, others, 18.00 okay? | 18:31 |
| s3wong | seems like 1800 it is then | 18:31 |
| rkukura | either should be OK for me | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice, thanks for being flexible | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | 11 pdt? | 18:32 |
| banix | yes for me | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok done, thursdays 1800 UTC | 18:32 |
| s3wong | hemanthravi: yes, that would be 11am pdt | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes, 11 PDT | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets call it a wrap | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | yes for me | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for attending | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: great | 18:32 |
| banix | thanks everybody | 18:32 |
| mandeep | thanks | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:32 | |
| banix | bye | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 18:32:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-17-18.07.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-17-18.07.txt | 18:32 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-17-18.07.log.html | 18:32 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:33 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Which channel? | 18:33 |
| s3wong | #openstack-meeting-3 | 18:33 |
| s3wong | rkukura: the current channel | 18:33 |
| rkukura | thx | 18:34 |
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