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| krotscheck | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 21 15:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| krotscheck | Who’s here? | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 15:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi! | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Hey hey! | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so ttx is on vacation | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Probably at the bottom of a wine barrel ;) | 15:00 |
| * krotscheck envies the french sometimes. | 15:01 | |
| krotscheck | #topic ElasticSearch vs. Sphinx (krotscheck) | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ElasticSearch vs. Sphinx (krotscheck) (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| krotscheck | No progress. Mostly because there hasn’t actually been any need for a fulltext style search yet. | 15:01 |
| ruhe | o/ | 15:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | looks like we are not considering Sphinx anymore | 15:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | right? | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Actually, last meeting that came back up - jeblair pointed out that it takes at least .5 FTE’s to maintain an ES cluster. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | So there’s the question of whether we really want to overkill on the search. | 15:02 |
| ruhe | there also were debates in the infra channel about ES vs Lucene | 15:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ruhe: isn't ES running on top of Lucene? | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | So I suggest we just punt the discussion another week or until we actually have feature need. | 15:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: agree | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | Anyone disagree? | 15:04 |
| jeblair | i do not disagree | 15:04 |
| ruhe | NikitaKonovalov: it is, but sdague had an idea to use Lucene directly. which i do not support since lucene is too low-level | 15:04 |
| jeblair | solr might be the middle ground there | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Alright, next topic. | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | #topic Migrating to Task Timeline (NikitaKonovalov ) | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migrating to Task Timeline (NikitaKonovalov ) (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:05 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok, there are 2 CRs right now | 15:05 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: (agenda link?) | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 15:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | one for the server side which I would like to talk more about | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | Go for it. | 15:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | And the client which is actually adding one directive | 15:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | It'll be a bit tricky to migrate the db without losing the existing comments | 15:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Now the comments are attached to the events, which should be created somehow | 15:07 |
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| krotscheck | I’ve had trouble with running data migrations as well. It’s super easy for schemae, but trying to run both Alembic and SQLAlchemy led me down a path of annoying transaction conflicts. | 15:08 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: alembic lets you write python migration methods, right? so can we iterate over existing comments and create event records? | 15:08 |
| jeblair | i think this is going to be the sort of thing we're going to have to get good at because we're running in CD | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Right. | 15:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: ok, I thought alembic was about manipulating with schema | 15:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but if it work with data, It's great | 15:10 |
| mordred | yah - you can def. do data | 15:10 |
| jeblair | i think people prefer to use the db when possible, for speed; but when not possible, you can still use python | 15:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the I'll put server-side patch to WIP | 15:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | then* | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | kk | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | We should code review that. | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | I’ll take a look today after my morning meetings, anyone else want to give an eye-over onto what NikitaKonovalov is working on? | 15:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | here are the changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/storyboard+AND+topic:timeline,n,z | 15:12 |
| mordred | NikitaKonovalov: neutron also uses alembic already - so looking in neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/ in the neutron tree might be a decent place for inspiration | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | #topic Search/Filter Stories | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Search/Filter Stories (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:12 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | mordred: thanks | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Patches are up for that. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | I’ll leave this on the agenda until we get it reviewed. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | #topic Task assignment | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Task assignment (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:13 | |
| krotscheck | The UI for task assignment is about 75% done, I hit a wall when I realized that I have to provide a not-shitty way of searching for users to assign things to. | 15:14 |
| sdague | (sorry for late comment) however you can do interesting changes in db with data, we've done them a bunch in nova to change data formats. I'd be happy to help review those | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | So that’s my big task this week. | 15:14 |
| mordred | krotscheck: oy. searching for users is apparently hard, given how much the UI for it kinda blows in gerrit | 15:15 |
| sdague | how big is the "all user" list? | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | sdague: I’ve heard “6000” bantied around | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | For the UI changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88707/ | 15:16 |
| sdague | if it's not prohibitively big we could ghetto through it with chosen being applied to that field | 15:16 |
| mordred | sdague: between 2k and 10k ish - there are 2000 devs who have written code, there are 10k foundation members | 15:16 |
| sdague | mordred: ok, but that's not a now thing right? that's an in 6 months thing. | 15:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | right now there are 20 | 15:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: can you translate "ghetto through it with chosen" for those who don't speak jivequery? :) | 15:17 |
| sdague | :) | 15:17 |
| * krotscheck shrugs. | 15:18 | |
| mordred | right now there are 43 entries in the user table | 15:18 |
| sdague | chosen is this nice jquery plugin for select fields - http://harvesthq.github.io/chosen/ | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | I’m just going to do a LIKE filter. | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | on the API | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | And then do a typeahead dropdown very similar to what sdague is suggesting. | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | But “ | 15:18 |
| mordred | do you match on username, fullname, email or all of the above? | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | mordred: That’s where the ghetto comes in. | 15:19 |
| mordred | yay ghetto! | 15:19 |
| sdague | so with only 43 users, you could just put them all in the list and let chosen select client side with type ahead | 15:19 |
| sdague | which wouldn't scale to 6000, but could be a fast path to be able to punt that problem till later. Though if krotscheck has a better option that's quick, that's cool too | 15:20 |
| jeblair | i don't want this to fall over as soon as we actually use it for openstack though, so thinking ahead for up to 10k users is probably a good idea | 15:20 |
| jeblair | if we do something that only scales to 100 (to get something on the page), we will need to swing back around and do it again fairly soon | 15:20 |
| mordred | btw - we have one entry in the users table with no username. I'm not sure how that's possible... | 15:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | \me just found that an unauthorized request to /users returns non-public fields which it sholdn't | 15:20 |
| mordred | NikitaKonovalov: woot! | 15:21 |
| mordred | NikitaKonovalov wins for the day | 15:21 |
| jeblair | our first cve? ;) | 15:21 |
| jeblair | (just kidding) | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | Goody goody, who wants it! | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | Alright, | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | #action NikitaKonovalov File story for security issue on users endpoint. | 15:23 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Stupid Task Priority (via enums) | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stupid Task Priority (via enums) (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:23 | |
| krotscheck | Does anyone feel like they have the bandwidth to tackle this this week? | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | I _may_ be able to. | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | But I’m not comfortable committing to it because of the size of the patch chain I have to maintain on Gerrit. | 15:24 |
| NikitaKonovalov | It looks like it's a simple migration to server side, so I can take that | 15:25 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Awesome. Adding a simple enum dropdown is also not a problem from my perspective (unlike assigning users turned out to be) | 15:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | The only thing is what are the enum values? | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | Do we know what the priorities are going to start up being? | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | Oh. | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | Right, brainwave. | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | Anyone have a disagreement with “Low, Medium, High, RTFN”? | 15:26 |
| jeblair | i think we can get by with low,med,high | 15:27 |
| * mordred kinda likes the RTFN status - hasn't seen that in other bug trackers, its a differentiator | 15:27 | |
| mordred | s/status/priority/ | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: ….because from a practical standpoint, anything that’s critical at the RTFN level people are going to be working on immediately anyway? | 15:27 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: yeah, and i don't want to over-think it or add too many status fields since we know this has a limited life | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Point | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Any disagreements? | 15:28 |
| * krotscheck agrees | 15:28 | |
| * NikitaKonovalov also | 15:29 | |
| krotscheck | #agreed Initial task priorities will be Low/Medium/High because we don’t expect this implementation to live for very long. | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | Wait, is this a story or a task level field? | 15:29 |
| jeblair | i think task? | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | Given that we don’t really have a way of searching tasks right now, and this is a short lived implementation, shall we put it on status? | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | Sorry | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | story? | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | I feel that task priority won’t be useful unless we can sort by it. | 15:32 |
| mordred | yeah - I feel like we're more likely to end up with more smaller stories with fewer tasks, rather than large complex stories with tons of tasks - so I'd be fine with it on story | 15:32 |
| jeblair | that's true; but we do need that anyway, right? | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | So either we’ll have to put it on task and roll it up to stories much like we’re doing task status, or we put it directly on the story. | 15:32 |
| jeblair | i think it's worth putting it on task | 15:33 |
| * krotscheck is ambivalent. | 15:34 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | So as I understand the task is a thing that actually says what should be done to comlete a story | 15:34 |
| jeblair | whatever we end up with is likely to be task-oriented, so we may as well start thinking of things in that way | 15:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that's why it should have a priority | 15:34 |
| jeblair | yep | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Sounds like you’re more in favor of Task, yes? | 15:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yes | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | I’m ok with that. | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so three statuses on tasks. Done. | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | #action NikitaKonovalov Work on task priority on the API layer. | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Work on task priority on the client layer. | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | #topic Stories with all landed tasks should not be in primary UI filter. | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stories with all landed tasks should not be in primary UI filter. (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:37 | |
| krotscheck | Patch up. Feels like a repeat of Search/Filter | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | Tasks can’t be edited: Done. | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | Support fro Project Groups, outstanding. | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | #topic Support for project groups | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support for project groups (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:38 | |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov, since you and I are really the only coders on this, do you have time this week to work on this? | 15:38 |
| krotscheck | (My guess is timeline will keep you busy) | 15:38 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: I think so, but the missing thing is a Controller so if there is time by the end of the week, I'll bring it up | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so let’s not commit to it. I don’t want you to rush timeline, but let’s try to get events/story history solid and baked this week. | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Which means I need to step up code reviewing. | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | #topic Story Activity | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Story Activity (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:41 | |
| krotscheck | In progress, feels like a repeat of Task Timeline | 15:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it is | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | #topic Story and Task Authors | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Story and Task Authors (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:41 | |
| krotscheck | Patch for story authors is up. | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | Patch for task assignees is in progress. | 15:42 |
| * mordred has some things up in his code review window currently | 15:42 | |
| mordred | will try to get some reviewing done this morning | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | We’re starting to run out of screen realestate on the task list, but I can see if I can expand on that. | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | Honestly, I want to break this up into three different issues. | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | How about I do that. | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Split author and assignee into three different stories. | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | #topic Intelligent Priorities. | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Intelligent Priorities. (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:44 | |
| krotscheck | Ok, design discussion: What problems do you imagine Intelligent Priorities will solve for you? | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | (no implementation talk yet, please) | 15:44 |
| jeblair | maybe we should defer this until ttx is back? | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | I’m ok with that. | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | Alright, does anyone else have any issues skipping over the rest of the agenda until ttx is back? | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | It’s one more item. | 15:46 |
| mordred | yeah- might also be a ttx topic - although I for one am in favor of subscription of things | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | So am I. | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | We can start working on some of the pieces that’ll be required, say, sending summary emails. | 15:47 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: Do you want to talk about subscription? | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:49 | |
| krotscheck | Anything else? | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | I’m getting a lot of silence here. | 15:49 |
| * mordred is good for the day | 15:50 | |
| krotscheck | We’re way behind on code reviews. I was promised that some of Infra Core would help contribute just over a week ago. and that I shouldn’t be +2ing my own code anymore. So, what’s up with that? | 15:50 |
| NikitaKonovalov | back to subscriptions, the thing I want is to see all the stuff that I'm subscribed too | 15:50 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: So emails aren’t necessarily a thing that’s super high priority? | 15:51 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm not sure if it's time to send emails so early | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | That’s fair. | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | Well, honestly, I don’t think we’ve got enough time to address subscriptions yet anyway. | 15:53 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: infra has a huge review backlog; the oldest storyboard review is about 20 reviews down on my list. you can help by reviewing other infra patches if you're interested. | 15:54 |
| jeblair | actually, it's at position 30 | 15:54 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: As soon as I’m done with all the additional features asked for on storyboard, sure! | 15:56 |
| krotscheck | Also, I just got some UI review resources from HP which I may be able to hijack for storyboard UI reviews at large. | 15:56 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Given that I’m not really qualified to review most of the infra stack though I don’t know how helpful that would be. | 15:57 |
| krotscheck | Anyway, sounds like we’re done. | 15:57 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting storyboard | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 21 15:58:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-04-21-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-04-21-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-04-21-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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