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| jrist | o/ | 16:00 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:00 |
| jrist | morning dansmith | 16:00 |
| jrist | erm | 16:00 |
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| jrist | morning david-lyle | 16:00 |
| akrivoka | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | good morning | 16:00 |
| akrivoka | o/ | 16:00 |
| jpich | Hey | 16:00 |
| jrist | hi akrivoka - feeling better? | 16:00 |
| pbelanyi_ | hi | 16:01 |
| akrivoka | jrist: yes! all better now :) | 16:01 |
| akrivoka | jrist: thanks! | 16:01 |
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| tzumainn | hiya! | 16:02 |
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| lblanchard | hi all! | 16:02 |
| tqtran | hi =) | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | I really only wanted to use today to discuss the proposed session schedule for the summit and hopefully address any conflicts before the schedule is finalized. | 16:02 |
| lsmola | hello | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | as this is the "off week" | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:03 |
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| lblanchard | david-lyle: thanks very much for switching my session yesterday…Sounds like we will be able to reschedule the conflict we are having with the Horizon/Ops session…so it looks great to me :) | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: excellent | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | thanks for the flexibility | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | the tripleO sessions all fall after the Horizon, so that should be ok. Does anyone else have a conflict that prohibits their participation in a session they are leading? | 16:05 |
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| david-lyle | I did double up several sessions slots, I think we will still be ok time wise. | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | As for the logistics around the sessions... Typically there will be a unified cross-project page to link all the session etherpads from | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | once we have that, if the topic owners would create an etherpad for their session/part of session and fill in whatever content they feel relevant to their part, typically an outline, link to related bps, even discussion topics | 16:08 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | that will help the flow of the sessions | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | ah, thanks lblanchard | 16:09 |
| lblanchard | noticed an e-mail on the TripleO list this morning about the wiki for Etherpads… | 16:09 |
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| david-lyle | then the flow of the sessions for those who haven't participated before, is usually the floor is given to the individual who proposed the topic and they can present/lead a discussion, and others will take additional notes on the etherpad | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | This not a formal talk, but an interactive discussion and there will be questions input, requests for input, etc | 16:11 |
| jrist | +1 | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | there will be a project to for demo/sharing etc | 16:11 |
| tqtran | oh nice | 16:12 |
| lsmola | cool | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | does anyone have questions? I know we have some new folks that have topics, so I wanted to give you an idea what the expectations are, if you just want to start the conversation that's fine too | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | easy enough :) | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:14 |
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| lblanchard | david-lyle: all sounds great to me! | 16:14 |
| pbelanyi_ | I have one topic | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | sure | 16:14 |
| * lsmola is looking forward to his first OpenStack summit | 16:15 | |
| pbelanyi_ | we had a debate with MaxV about the ethics of monkey patching, here is the relevant patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80990/ | 16:15 |
| * jrist too | 16:15 | |
| pbelanyi_ | I think the comments tell it all | 16:15 |
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| pbelanyi_ | we couldn't decide if monkey patching is ok or not, se we wanted to get some other opinions about it | 16:16 |
| lsmola | I give -1 to monkey patching | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | pbelanyi_: so we have a select few cases of monkey patching in Horizon now | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | the one I can think of is related to django/auth | 16:17 |
| jpich | The monkey patch approach has the advantage of not requiring the tests to be changed when it gets removed later. And it would happen in one of the test files (test settings) | 16:19 |
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| david-lyle | or we stop supporting django 1.4 | 16:20 |
| jpich | I don't have a super strong opinion on it either way, up to the patch author to decide IMO :) | 16:20 |
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| * pbelanyi_ feels the power flowing through him | 16:20 | |
| tzumainn | lol | 16:20 |
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| lsmola | hehe | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | never thought I'd call a monkey patch elegant, but it feels more elegant than the other proposed solution | 16:21 |
| jpich | Django 1.4 is listed as a LTS upstream and supported until March 2015, it'd be nice to keep supporting it as long as it's not an otherwordly effort to do so imo | 16:22 |
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| pbelanyi_ | well, it seems to me there is slightly more support for the monkey patch, so I think I'll submit it and see if it gets pluses | 16:23 |
| pbelanyi_ | thanks for the feedback! | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | jpich, I don't think we're rushing to remove support for 1.4 | 16:25 |
| jpich | dansmith: Sounds good to me, that was in reply to your comment :) | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | just that it will happen, after we all long forget what patch_bug_1273943() related to | 16:25 |
| jpich | haha | 16:26 |
| david-lyle | anyone else have anything, or should we pretend we take off weeks off | 16:26 |
| akrivoka | may I ask for someone to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90997/ - it is required by a tuskar UI patch | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | akrivoka: sure | 16:29 |
| tqtran | actually quick question, how stable is wifi during the summit? | 16:29 |
| akrivoka | david-lyle: thanks David | 16:29 |
| tzumainn | akrivoka, I'm still taking a look as well, although my voting powers are far less : ) | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: quite stable usually | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | some sites like the summit schedule and etherpad sometimes topple under the load | 16:30 |
| akrivoka | tzumainn: they are very much appreciated, nonetheless! thanks! | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | for short periods of time | 16:30 |
| peristeri | there's also a long forgotten patch needing some attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58214/ | 16:30 |
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| david-lyle | that is long in the tooth :( | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | many reviews in general are needed | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | remember non-core reviews help a great deal as well, I know a lot of people are active reviewers and that is greatly appreciated | 16:33 |
| akrivoka | review all the things! | 16:33 |
| akrivoka | :) | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | I think we can call it early today. Thanks everyone. Have a great week and pretend to be off for a little while this week. | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 16:34:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| pbelanyi_ | akrivoka, I'm not sure, but won't additional_query refer to the same list each time the function is called? then it might cause problems | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-04-29-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-04-29-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-04-29-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
| jrist | o/ | 16:35 |
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| tzumainn | thanks all! | 16:35 |
| akrivoka | pbelanyi_: doh. you're right, good catch. I'll fix it right away | 16:37 |
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| pbelanyi_ | oh, there goes a chance to -1 :D | 16:37 |
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| tqtran | lol @ akrivoka | 16:39 |
| akrivoka | pbelanyi_: get your -1 right now, new patch goes out in a minute :) | 16:40 |
| tqtran | lol | 16:40 |
| pbelanyi_ | :) | 16:40 |
| tqtran | was laughing at your "review all the things!" comment btw | 16:41 |
| tqtran | didnt want you to think i was laughing at your review | 16:41 |
| tqtran | =P | 16:41 |
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| lsmola | thanks everybody, see you next week | 16:44 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | edleafe: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:00 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting Python OpenStack SDK | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 19:01:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Python OpenStack SDK)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstack_sdk' | 19:01 |
| edleafe | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2014-04-29_1900_UTC | 19:01 |
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| edleafe | #topic Roll Call | 19:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Python OpenStack SDK)" | 19:01 | |
| edleafe | If you're here for the Python OpenStack SDK meeting, state your name and affiliation | 19:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Alex Gaynor, Rackspace | 19:02 |
| edleafe | Ed Leafe, Rackspace | 19:02 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | briancurtinmobil: Why are you at a gas station? | 19:02 |
| wchrisj__ | Chris Johnson, HP | 19:02 |
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| jamielennox | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:03 |
| briancurtinmobil | I'm stuck on my phone, in route to San Antonio...was hoping to be there by now. weather hasn't cooperated | 19:04 |
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| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Python OpenStack SDK)" | 19:04 | |
| edleafe | I didn't know of any particular issues that need to be discussed, so does anyone want to open one up? | 19:04 |
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| edleafe | <crickets> | 19:06 |
| briancurtinmobil | thank you to whoever is running this, my connecting flight is boarding soon. sorry about this. | 19:06 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Anyone have any topics they want to discuss today, or do we just need to do more reviews? | 19:07 |
| edleafe | see you in sa, briancurtinmobil | 19:07 |
| jamielennox | review.openstack.org gives 503 :( | 19:07 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: restart your browser | 19:07 |
| bknudson | same thing happened to me | 19:07 |
| edleafe | yeah, mine's working now | 19:08 |
| edleafe | it's due to the Gerrit upgrade | 19:08 |
| jamielennox | ah, ok | 19:08 |
| jamielennox | so i thought we should possibly discuss the presentation layer patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90538/ | 19:09 |
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| jamielennox | that seems the next big thing | 19:09 |
| jamielennox | in general i think it's ok to use it for now. The only issue i see is that it means a user of resources would need to pass a Json layer rather than a session | 19:10 |
| jamielennox | if you look at mixing in XML or others there i don't know how that works | 19:10 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | I'd love it if when we add new layers we could add examples, showing how users are supposed to use teh whole system, not docs per se, just, as we're building up the design, making sure we see what the whole system looks like | 19:12 |
| edleafe | Alex_Gaynor: +1 | 19:12 |
| edleafe | It would help me understand the intent | 19:12 |
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| edleafe | I.e., how would this impact what a developer using the SDK would need to do | 19:13 |
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| terrylhowe | edleafe, sorry I'm late, what was the context of this discusion? | 19:16 |
| edleafe | terrylhowe: The presentation layer patch | 19:17 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | terrylhowe: """ I'd love it if when we add new layers we could add examples, showing how users are supposed to use teh whole system, not docs per se, just, as we're building up the design, making sure we see what the whole system looks like""" | 19:17 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I should have added at the end "from a user's perspective" | 19:17 |
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| terrylhowe | Yeh, I like what dtroyer did with example code, but some of these classes may be kind of internal | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | maybe in the commit? | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | I was thinking vaguely there would be some factory type class on top of this where you would request a connection and it would give you the appropriate presentation layer | 19:19 |
| Alex_Gaynor | If the answer is "a user never see's this" I think that's enough | 19:20 |
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| jamielennox | i think most of what we are doing at this level would be available to user's wanting to do API version specific tasks - but not part of the general API | 19:20 |
| jamielennox | s/general API/general library usage | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | yes, so maybe not in the example code | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | in the presentation patch, it integrates itself with the resource class. I can't think of any more layers in there, so I think that is "done" | 19:22 |
| jamielennox | so is there a rule as to what __init__ should do on a Resource? | 19:26 |
| jamielennox | how do we distinguish between something a user wants to create and something that exists and is being loaded? | 19:26 |
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| wchrisj__ | give me an example jaimelennox | 19:33 |
| terrylhowe | something other than loaded=False? | 19:34 |
| wchrisj__ | jamielennox (sorry) ^^ | 19:34 |
| jamielennox | so taking the User example, if we do __init__(self, **kwargs) what do the kwargs mean in terms of attributes? | 19:35 |
| jamielennox | do we just do a .update() with the underlying dictionary? | 19:36 |
| jamielennox | or do we do something more user centric and specify the available kwargs | 19:37 |
| edleafe | jamielennox: I thought we had decided that **kwargs and dynamically-created attributes were "bad things" for Resources | 19:37 |
| jamielennox | __init__(self, name) and if you want to add something to the object that we don't handle explicitly you do user['address'] = 'xxx' post __init__ | 19:37 |
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| terrylhowe | seems like __init__ would need to handle things the class does not know | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | In case the SDK was out of sync with the server | 19:39 |
| jamielennox | edleafe: yea, i think that it will be a problem - but in looking at the Resource Properties patch of mine, if name = prop('userName') then what is the kwarg? | 19:40 |
| jamielennox | name or userName | 19:40 |
| jamielennox | name makes more sense for the user, userName is what will be available from the create function | 19:40 |
| edleafe | I think calling the name of a user 'userName' is redundant | 19:41 |
| jamielennox | edleafe: ++ | 19:41 |
| edleafe | (and non-pythonic) | 19:41 |
| edleafe | well, at least non-pep8-ish | 19:41 |
| jamielennox | it's a contrived example too, i can't remember what is set by the keystone server | 19:42 |
| jamielennox | but i needed an example where the object attribute wasn't the same as the attribute in the API | 19:42 |
| edleafe | I also think that it makes for a better experience if Resources across services have common properties with the same attribute name | 19:42 |
| edleafe | E.g., "name", "id" | 19:42 |
| jamielennox | so do we simply ban Resources having __init__ arguments altogether? and then have factory functions? | 19:44 |
| edleafe | jamielennox: the Rackspace identity stuff is filled with things like 'apiKey' instead of 'api_key'. I translate those in my SDK so that the user can expect a consistent naming even when the services are inconsistent | 19:44 |
| jamielennox | edleafe: ++, yep that's what i was looking for with prop() - and easy to see what's supported as well | 19:45 |
| terrylhowe | I need to mess with an actual implementation of a resource to get a real feel for it. | 19:47 |
| jamielennox | terrylhowe: yea, i think so | 19:49 |
| edleafe | Ten minutes left. Any other topics we need to cover? | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | I was going to take a stab at authorization | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | unless someone else has something going on. I chatted with Brian about it. | 19:53 |
| edleafe | terrylhowe: do you mean parsing the service catalog? Or something else? | 19:53 |
| terrylhowe | well, I'm not sure how deep I'll go. I was just hoping to get a token really | 19:54 |
| wchrisj__ | Is dtroyer looking into the discovery process/algo? Anyone know? | 19:54 |
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| terrylhowe | his api discovery stuff must of been abandoned. I don't see it open | 19:55 |
| jamielennox | wchrisj__: i think he was but i haven't heard from him for a while now | 19:55 |
| wchrisj__ | Was hoping to discuss at the Summit if not before ... | 19:55 |
| edleafe | OK, times up! Thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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