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| rockyg | o/ | 16:59 |
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| catherineD | Hello | 17:00 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 17:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #startmeeting Refstack | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 1 17:02:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zehicle_at_dell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Refstack)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 17:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | roll call! | 17:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 17:02 |
| rockyg | thanks for starting. | 17:02 |
| rockyg | o/ | 17:03 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, you here? | 17:03 |
| catherineD | Here | 17:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I don't see David online | 17:05 |
| rockyg | yeah. looks like just a bot. | 17:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let me look at the backlog | 17:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | looks like we have some docs and specs that need reivew (still) | 17:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I can give a tcup update | 17:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic TCUP | 17:08 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | #topic Agenda | 17:08 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | let's get an agenda together first | 17:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | TCUP | 17:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | DefCore status/update | 17:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Summit Prep | 17:08 |
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| rockyg | Refstack dev focus short term | 17:09 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Controlling critical JSON asssets (must-pass test lists & driver test json) | 17:09 |
| rockyg | summit meetups (QA, others?) | 17:09 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | ok, let's get started then | 17:11 |
| praveen_dell | Hello all | 17:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic Refstack dev focus short term | 17:11 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, your topic... | 17:12 |
| rockyg | yo | 17:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | as far as I know, it's getting the upload API spec nailed and then posted | 17:12 |
| rockyg | ok. | 17:13 |
| rockyg | I'm willing to meet for that. Sounds like catherineD is in Fremont. Is ther a coffeeshop with wifi that way? | 17:13 |
| zehicle_at_dell | f2f would help move things forward. | 17:14 |
| rockyg | We can skyp in others and get it nailed enough to prototype. | 17:14 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | can you coordinate w/ davidlenwell | 17:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we don't have critical mass to go further on this one | 17:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | agree? | 17:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | for this meeting (not in general ) | 17:15 |
| rockyg | Yes. | 17:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic TCUP | 17:15 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: IBM site is in south bay (near Morgan Hill. We can drive to Fremont | 17:15 |
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| rockyg | We definitely need to brainstorm. | 17:15 |
| catherineD | rockyg: +1 | 17:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I follwed Praveen's instructions and got tempest to run from TCUP. I'm pending an edit to his pull but it's looking good | 17:16 |
| rockyg | We can meet at the endo of a BART line, or in RWC by the Caltrain. | 17:16 |
| rockyg | Yes! | 17:16 |
| rockyg | catherineD: where do you live? | 17:17 |
| rockyg | my coffee cup is empty :( | 17:17 |
| praveen_dell | I am hoping to edit that document tommorrow as I was busy with my regular stuff | 17:17 |
| catherineD | I live in Cupertino but do not mind driving | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | Hi guys | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | sorry .. train delay | 17:17 |
| rockyg | Train BART? | 17:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic Refstack dev focus short term | 17:18 |
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| rockyg | ^or^ | 17:18 |
| davidlenwell | yes bart | 17:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I pushed the topic back to Refstack Dev | 17:19 |
| rockyg | so, f2f soonest. We can mee at the southernmost end of a BART line. | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | lets get back to that in a minute | 17:19 |
| zehicle_at_dell | pending topics are: TCUP, Summit, managed JSON artifacts, Defcore | 17:19 |
| rockyg | Goes with the topic. Nailing down the API spec | 17:19 |
| rockyg | API upload spec. | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | I'm working on a spec for that based on the one I already submitted and the notes given by raymond | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | it will be updated today | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | we do not have to have a f2f about the api spec | 17:21 |
| rockyg | k | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | also I had a chat with catherine earlier this week.. we agreed on several more phone calls leading up to them releaseing a spec that allows api->api communication of results | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | meaning local refstack can talk to remote refstack .. i would very much like to stay on track with that plan | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | with an agreed upon spec we can finish that code in a day or two | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | without the spec it could eat weeks of rework | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | please please please please write the spec .. I am available for as many phone calls that are needed to get there | 17:22 |
| rockyg | kool | 17:22 |
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| davidlenwell | if we fly by the seat of our pants leading up to the summit we are going to be caught with our pants down | 17:23 |
| rockyg | Who owns that spec? Catherine or Raymond? | 17:23 |
| davidlenwell | either one | 17:23 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: is who I spoke to about it | 17:23 |
| rockyg | Let's get a date locked down for submitting to Gerrit. catherineD? | 17:24 |
| catherineD | This is the one with Sync and authorization .... We need to discuss with David about authorization protocol .. | 17:24 |
| catherineD | which method for authorization etc ... | 17:24 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: lets do a phone call this afternoon to discuss the details of that | 17:24 |
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| catherineD | That is one of the topic for f2f .. | 17:25 |
| catherineD | ok | 17:25 |
| davidlenwell | we'll circle back to face to face in a few | 17:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | added to agenda :) | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | thank you | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | okay lets move on to goals for the sumit .. then we'll talk about the summit session | 17:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic summit | 17:26 |
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| davidlenwell | so among our goals for the summit.. | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | * distributable tcup | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | * live results gathering | 17:27 |
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| davidlenwell | * finalized release version specifications | 17:27 |
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| davidlenwell | * remote api to central api sync | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | live results gathering is basically finished.. however there was a question about how to flag things as finished .. | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: to answer your questions about that.. | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | I believe we can simply use an error response code / time out to tell if a test fialed for soem reason .. and the act of submitting results back to the api should indicate its finished status | 17:29 |
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| davidlenwell | so we need distributable tcup and the remote api sync | 17:30 |
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| davidlenwell | if catherine can finish the spec for that by monday I think we are in good shape .. | 17:30 |
| davidlenwell | if we need a f2f to make that happen .. we'll discuss it .. | 17:30 |
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| davidlenwell | today I am going to work with joshua and zehicle_at_delluntil we have tcup working as it should | 17:30 |
| RaymondWong | I think we can do a phone call for that... we have some questions about what to sync and how to authenticate. | 17:31 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:31 |
| davidlenwell | joshua is also going to help a lot with how we are hosting the website and displaying data | 17:31 |
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| davidlenwell | So I think we can meet the goals I've layed out above | 17:31 |
| davidlenwell | before the summit .. but we have to stay orginized and keep on it | 17:31 |
| davidlenwell | I say that for my self as much as anyone else .. | 17:31 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. so moving along to the summit session.. | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | I will be preparing slides and a 20 minute talk giving us a deep dive into the current state of refstack followed by 5 or so about where we are going from here.. | 17:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic summit | 17:32 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | joshua and I also have a defcore preso about it | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | the primary goal of this session is to recruite a little more outside help | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | gain a little more acceptance by the infra group .. they will be invited | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | while at pycon I had a lot of talks with jim blair about how we can integrate with their framework.. and I believe we are in sync. .. | 17:34 |
| davidlenwell | so I want a few of them in the loop as much as possible .. | 17:34 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: can you talk about what it is you are presenting to defcore? | 17:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's a lot more than Refstack | 17:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the prmary focus is to show community the list of "core capabilities" that we've come up with from the process | 17:35 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that list (really the must-pass test list) should be setup as a JSON file in refstack BTW | 17:36 |
| rockyg | I would like a QA/Tempest liasson for Refstack, also. Lots of new things there. | 17:36 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but we need the community to look at that list and understand how we got there | 17:36 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we have some graphics and examples that help people understand | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: lets come back to that | 17:36 |
| rockyg | Kewl. Is the matrix available/will be available? | 17:36 |
| zehicle_at_dell | it's the one we were working on | 17:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we need to get more review on it next week | 17:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | from the tech committees | 17:37 |
| rockyg | So, dev's should be able to see the mapping by viewing the two, but maybe not others. | 17:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm going to break it into sub specialities for review | 17:38 |
| rockyg | good | 17:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but first I need more explanation of scoring capablities so they don't freak out about the work | 17:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | which also has made great progress | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | for now we'll populate the json list in refstack with every single test | 17:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | all of that leads back to TCUP because we want to collect data | 17:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, yes. that's the plan | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we need to work on a JSON schema for it | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's another topic I wanted for the agenda | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: we've already basically done that | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | :) | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | months ago catherineD RaymondWong and tedchang sat in a room and talked it out | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that enough about defcore at the summit? | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | we should have notes | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. im happy with that | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | whats the next topic ? | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's talk about the json then | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic json | 17:40 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | the driver test team also needs a place to store json info | 17:40 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | that's high stakes (like required tests) | 17:40 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'd suggested that github/refstack is a good place for that since it's managed | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | indeed | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but we likely need an agreed directory for it | 17:41 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: thats easy enough | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | just want to get naming right | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and it would make sense to put the place holders there | 17:41 |
| rockyg | and a rst file with instructions | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | driver test team has the files (I believe) | 17:41 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: since we are sharing with another team .. lets write it up in a spec | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | that way its clear | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we also need to document the control process - since the review cycle needs to be a bit more transparent | 17:42 |
| rockyg | +1 | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: can you elaborate on that please? | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | meaning, a vendor rep would need to +1 on changes to their driver | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and a defcore committee member (Josh or I likely) wouldk have to +1 changes to the must-pass list | 17:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so, the review of those files is specialized | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | well adding you guys to the gate should be easy enough | 17:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we don't have to be gate | 17:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | in fact, I'd rather not | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | you want +approve | 17:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | right | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | not +2 | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | I'll have to figure out if we can do that | 17:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | thanks | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | we might need to eventually move things to another repo | 17:44 |
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| rockyg | Likely, once things get more formal. | 17:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | perhaps - I think it's OK if we don't have all the bells | 17:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | as long as we agree on the process we can use transparency to make sure it's legit | 17:44 |
| rockyg | +1 Lots of business stuff gets invloved later on. | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | for now I can agree to not +2 +a something unles syou or josh have +1'd it | 17:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's what I was looking for | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | in that folder | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | or file | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | as far as the rest of the code goes .. things will proceed as normal | 17:45 |
| rockyg | +1;) | 17:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:45 |
| zehicle_at_dell | name of the folder? | 17:45 |
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| rockyg | thirdparty | 17:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | suggestions? /reference /truth /requirements | 17:46 |
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| davidlenwell | /defcore/requirements.json ? | 17:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | not quite | 17:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm OK w/ defcore | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: can you write up the spec for the format of the json? | 17:47 |
| RaymondWong | it may need to be versioned, havana vs icehouse... | 17:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | was thiking /defcore/must-pass.json and /defcore/drivers.json | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: probably yes | 17:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | RaymondWong, yes OR needs to be in the json format | 17:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | probably better to have a file per version | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: "/defcore/havana/must-pass.json | 17:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:48 |
| rockyg | +1 | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | oh .. use underscores in file names not - signs | 17:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, I'd rather defer to you or others on the json schema because it really drives the web page | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: I think you would be well suited to write this spec | 17:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's keep it simpler.... /defcore/havana/coretests.json | 17:49 |
| rockyg | yes! | 17:49 |
| RaymondWong | who is going to do the scoring part of code? that will depend on the json, and may have requirements for that. | 17:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | RaymondWong, that's Defcore's job | 17:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we've got a list of tests that are required for core | 17:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ...um... will have. not done yet ;) | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: we just need to set up the format for the data | 17:51 |
| RaymondWong | i meaning implementing the code logic in refstack to compare the result with the requirement to give a pass/fail score on the web page. | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: you are getting ahead of your self | 17:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | agree, we DO want that but first we need to collect the data | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. so zehicle_at_dell.. can you give us a really rough idea of what the requirements coming from defcore will look like ? | 17:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 17:52 |
| rockyg | How about if we can just display the results with fails highlighted? | 17:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | basically, it's just a list of tests | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | if you can get that to raymond todayish | 17:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the test names | 17:53 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | there's also a concept of capabilities | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so, we'd also have a mapping of tests into capability groups | 17:53 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. lets clear this up ..we do not need to display anything right now | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | likely that should be a JSON file too | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, correct. that's future function | 17:53 |
| davidlenwell | right now we need to collect data | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think we'll need a second JSON file for /defcore/havana/capabilities.json | 17:54 |
| davidlenwell | so having this thing in place that parses the data through this json file we are taling abotu is not currently required | 17:54 |
| rockyg | OK. So, where do these json files get stored? | 17:54 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but, again, that's not to be linked into the UI yet | 17:54 |
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| davidlenwell | in the repo rockyg | 17:54 |
| rockyg | The results, that is. | 17:54 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, correct. not required yet | 17:54 |
| davidlenwell | the results are stored RAW in the database | 17:54 |
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| davidlenwell | we'll process them later .. catherineDhas done a good job writing tools that allow us to bulk process data | 17:55 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | david - do you want me to put those files in as placeholders? | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: yes please | 17:56 |
| zehicle_at_dell | kk | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | RaymondWong: we can talk offline about what I expect from a spec for this | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | it is 11 .. so we do need to wrap up in here | 17:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic wrapup | 17:57 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I think we'll need to make specific plans for summit next meeting | 17:57 |
| rockyg | what's left undiscussed on agenda? | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | I'll be in #refstack all day .. joshua will be working with me .. please jump in and nag for things | 17:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | you got f2f covered? | 17:58 |
| catherineD | David and we will ahve a call to discuss authentication ... | 17:58 |
| davidlenwell | we're delaying it for now | 17:58 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD: lets say at 4pm | 17:58 |
| rockyg | works for me. | 17:58 |
| catherineD | OK | 17:58 |
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| rockyg | back over to #refstack for me for just a little bit. | 17:59 |
| davidlenwell | okay zehicle_at_dell don't forget to end the meeting here | 17:59 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'm online most of the time - got to drive in for a few meetings but then back. I'll ping in and out of #refstack | 17:59 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 1 17:59:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-01-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-01-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-01-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi Neutrons! | 18:00 |
| s3wong | Hello | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi | 18:01 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:01 |
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| Swami_ | hi all | 18:01 |
| banix | hi everybody | 18:01 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 1 18:02:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| marun | hi | 18:02 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all | 18:03 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GP bp spec review | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89469/ | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think a lot of comments were addressed over the last week | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we are making good progress and close to converging | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | questions/thoughts on that? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we can move on the PoC update | 18:06 |
| banix | looking good! | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ok | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic PoC Status Update | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we had some folks huddling together last tuesday and spending a few hours brainstorming on the PoC | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think a lot of issues got sorted out during that discussion | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks to all those who participated | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info PoC branch is: https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/tree/group-policy-poc | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i made some changes to the model based on the feedback on the gerrit review | 18:09 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: such as? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nothing that we did not discuss on tuesday | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am referring to whatever i did before tuesday | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently we still only have EPG, EP, BD and RD represented in the PoC branch as far as the model is concerned | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hope to make progress on that | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think rkukura has made good progress on the mapping driver | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:11 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Do those resources in the PoC code all match the current spec? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think so | 18:11 |
| rkukura | I didn’t make much progress yesteday, but am today | 18:11 |
| rkukura | I hope to push an update late today that create the neutron resources when GP resources are created. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet | 18:11 |
| Louis_ | i noticed that classifier and action are not in db_group_policy.py | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, the group policy to classical neutron resources is being captured in this document (for the PoC): #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/document/d/134P7TJdiIfjPWbmstSTY4vp9E6oRYTFs64ON3thFxhI/edit# | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I’ll push that to rkukura/mapping, and we can review and decide when to merge to group-policy-poc | 18:12 |
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| s3wong_ | sorry, disconnect for a moment | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: not implemented yet | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: we wanted to get an end-to-end flow going with the EP and the EPG | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: also waiting for some of the discussion to settle down on gerrit | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we should be good to implement those now, its next on my list | 18:13 |
| Louis_ | thx - is the intent to use ml2 driver mechanisms? | 18:13 |
| rkukura | I don’t see any reason progress can’t be made on the other parts of the model in the PoC while the mapping of the EP, EPG, BD, and RD are being completed | 18:14 |
| rkukura | Louis_: The GP plugin has a driver API similar to ML2’s driver API | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes those things are going in parallel | 18:14 |
| rkukura | Louis_: And the plan is for the GP plugin to work with the ML2 plugin’s neutron resources when its mapping driver is used | 18:15 |
| Louis_ | thx | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: my earlier comment was not that the progress is waiting for the mapping to happen, it was more like our focus is on getting on flow going first | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on -> one | 18:15 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: agreed | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything else? | 18:16 |
| rkukura | Not from me | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks, great progress | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong_: over to you | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the service redirect part | 18:16 |
| Louis_ | can you add an example of consumer/provider and role/capab | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: sure | 18:17 |
| Louis_ | thx | 18:17 |
| s3wong_ | I started looking at it. The idea is to have an UUID passed, and for the PoC, I will assume this is FW, and will then turn on FW on the router between two EPG | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong_: ok, i know this is a tough one for you, since the discussion on the services’ side is very much evolving | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong_: i guess we will need to iterate through this | 18:18 |
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| s3wong | in the future, of course, the service object would tell us where to put the object can be inserted and traffic could be steered | 18:18 |
| s3wong | but for now, we have no way of "redirect" flow to "service" in Neutron | 18:19 |
| Louis_ | will the redirect action value be a list of service instance uuids or a service chain uuid or either? | 18:19 |
| s3wong | so for the PoC, I will just turn on FWaaS on a router :-) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, we will rely on abstractions exposed by the adv services’ framework to do insertion, steering, etc | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok | 18:19 |
| banix | Louis_: a service chain uuid | 18:20 |
| s3wong | Louis_: for now, we agreed on having redirect be the final action | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: either one service or a service chain | 18:20 |
| banix | Louis_: not implemented yet | 18:20 |
| s3wong | and that object can certainly be service chain | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: yeah, like banix and s3wong said abouve, its one single uuid, either service or service chain | 18:20 |
| Louis_ | what do u mean by "final" action? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: however service chain is currently not represented in neutron | 18:21 |
| Louis_ | i see | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions for s3wong or on service redirect? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | redirect action that is | 18:23 |
| Louis_ | would order of the list of service uuids be siginifcant? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: the order is significant in the proposed chain resources | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *resource | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ideally it would be a graph representation | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but that is difficult to achieve | 18:24 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Louis_: are we still talking about 'redirect' or service chaining in Neutron in general? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will be happy if we can get going with a linear ordered chain | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, sorry, we are digressing to advanced services discussion in neutron | 18:24 |
| Louis_ | redirect | 18:24 |
| s3wong | Louis_: 'redirect' to only one UUID, and you should only have one 'redirect' action | 18:25 |
| s3wong | at least for now | 18:25 |
| Louis_ | ok | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: fyi - we have a different meeting to discuss services chains and other services’ related aspects in neutron: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/AdvancedServices | 18:25 |
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| Louis_ | am aware of that thx | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: any progress on the Client, CLI? | 18:26 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: not much since the last commit, will work on this and should have it done by sun | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so what resources are currently implemented? | 18:27 |
| hemanthravi | and test it out with rkukura's mapping branch, any config that i need to have? | 18:27 |
| hemanthravi | endpoint, endpoint-group are currently impl | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: we have a PoC branch | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: are they updated with the latest model? | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: i think ep, epg didn't change, but will check | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok thanks | 18:29 |
| hemanthravi | rkukura: any config that i need to run the gp plugin? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: any chance that you can have the EP/EPG by friday? | 18:29 |
| rkukura | I haven’t tried it outside the UTs | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the service plugin needs to be set to the group policy plugin | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: most likely sat | 18:30 |
| rkukura | You’ll need to configure a core_plugin and list of service_plugins, which should include group_policy plugin | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | rkukura, SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: there is a noop plugin driver which is used for the UTs | 18:31 |
| rkukura | You may need to configure the GP plugin to use the dummy driver for now, or the mapping driver if you want neutron resources to be created (once I push) | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yeah rkukura and I are saying the same thing | 18:31 |
| hemanthravi | rkukura: ok will try it out and ping you with any qs | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i would recommend that you just use the dummy driver to begin with | 18:32 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 18:32 |
| rkukura | yes, the noop driver’s name is ‘dummy’ | 18:32 |
| rkukura | hemanthravi: sure | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for hemanthravi regarding client/CLI | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ronak here? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so ronak bravely stood up to take on the Horizon piece! | 18:34 |
| * SumitNaiksatam applauds Ronak :-) | 18:34 | |
| hemanthravi | +1 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but he doesnt seem to be here to absorb the applause | 18:34 |
| * mandeep agrees | 18:34 | |
| nati_ueno | hi I'm writing wireframes | 18:35 |
| nati_ueno | for horizon | 18:35 |
| nati_ueno | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SmbhY5GTBKFV0U6XmAlaWn2nm-biV5bFVZDURZslNrg/edit#slide=id.g333b16535_0351 | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: oh wow! | 18:35 |
| * s3wong applauds nati_ueno instead :-) | 18:35 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ronak also had captured some of the discussions in his wire frames | 18:36 |
| nati_ueno | I'm still struggling to understand gp, but we can use this as basement for discussion | 18:36 |
| nati_ueno | so can I have feedback on here? | 18:36 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: roank is also building wireframes for group based policy. Can you follow up with him? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: this is very nice and detailed | 18:36 |
| nati_ueno | mandeep: yap, interstting | 18:36 |
| nati_ueno | is here here? | 18:36 |
| nati_ueno | mandeep: could you share his mail address? | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:37 |
| Swami_ | nati_ueno: good work on the UI Prototype | 18:37 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: I will send that tou you by email | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | mandeep: Thnaks | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | Swami_: Thanks | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | so quick question | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | what's filters? | 18:37 |
| nati_ueno | I can't figureout, so it is ? in the wireframe | 18:37 |
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| banix | nati_ueno: thanks for the work; had a quick look; one comment | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: filters defines who can consume a part of a contract, and who can provide a part of a contract | 18:38 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: filters limit the scope of a specific policy rule to a specific role/capability (if that us desired) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: but filters can be optional | 18:38 |
| banix | nati_ueno: ahhh i noticed teh answer to the question i was about to ask…. | 18:39 |
| nati_ueno | hmm filters | 18:39 |
| nati_ueno | banix: ok | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: quickly skimming through the document, i think we can simplify some of the workflow | 18:39 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:39 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: also, could you update filters part? | 18:40 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: may be, I can understand it if I see the UI | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: sure | 18:40 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: I added you as an editor | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 18:40 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: Can you add me and ronal as editors as well | 18:41 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: now you should believe me as I'm app guy.. actually, I'm UI guy :P | 18:41 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: Renaissance man ... ;-) | 18:41 |
| nati_ueno | mandeep: sure! please share mail address of yours (gmail version) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: you are all rolled into one | 18:42 |
| Louis_ | volunteering my services... | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: you talented Mr. Rippley! | 18:42 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: I will send you that in the email as well | 18:42 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: mandeep: Thanks | 18:42 |
| banix | nati_ueno: now that you mentioned you are an app guy, what do you think of terms “provider” and “consumer”? | 18:43 |
| banix | nati_ueno: do they sound right? Do people use other terms? | 18:43 |
| nati_ueno | banix: honestly, it takes time to figure out the meanings | 18:43 |
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| nati_ueno | we need some analogies | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any more questions for on Horizons | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: good point | 18:44 |
| Louis_ | need some examples | 18:44 |
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| mandeep | Louis_: There is a PoC use-case on the wiki. Did you have a chance to look at that? | 18:45 |
| Louis_ | yes could be clearer | 18:45 |
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| nati_ueno | so my big concern is there is no resource which shows consumer - provider -contract reationship. | 18:46 |
| nati_ueno | it is devised in several resource | 18:46 |
| nati_ueno | In UI, we can correlate it, but | 18:46 |
| nati_ueno | it sounds like hard in CLI | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: actually there is are two resources to capture the relationship | 18:46 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: yes two | 18:46 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: so it is devided | 18:47 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: ConsumerScore, ProviderScope, right? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: no, one for provider, one for consumer | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: yes | 18:47 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: and ConsumerScope and ProviderScope is linked by selector? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: we got a lot of feedback that it was easier to understand that way, then all rolled into one | 18:47 |
| nati_ueno | ya, | 18:47 |
| nati_ueno | so if we have one single scope object | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: they both have a selector as an attribute | 18:48 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: yes. so they are connected by attribute | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: i originally had only one | 18:48 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: One important requirement was that these actions be decoupled from each other in time and privilages. This separation enables that | 18:48 |
| nati_ueno | mandeep: we can have multiple scopes | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | one thing i wanted to put out there is that the workflow and interface we see in the UI does not have to map the exact resources in the backend | 18:49 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: I am sorry I did not follow that. | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can devise the workflow in an easier to consume fashion | 18:50 |
| mandeep | nati_ueno: Scope is a property of the relationship (either provider or consumer), | 18:50 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: It is better to easy to map | 18:50 |
| nati_ueno | Good model is easy to map UI | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: not necessarily | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have 10 mins or less | 18:51 |
| mandeep | Is rudra here | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks nati_ueno for the update | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on to heat | 18:51 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: here? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe prasadv claimed victory here :-P | 18:52 |
| banix | nati_ueno: thanks! | 18:52 |
| prasadv | yes | 18:52 |
| prasadv | I have the classifier template | 18:52 |
| prasadv | and rest of them are mostly copy and paste | 18:52 |
| nati_ueno | banix: :) | 18:52 |
| prasadv | I had a question as to testing these | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: go ahead | 18:53 |
| prasadv | when do we want to test the first call | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: whenever the client is ready | 18:53 |
| prasadv | i mean say classifier through the neutron api | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: that will be sometime next week | 18:53 |
| mandeep | prasadv: Rudra is bringing up an AWS instance with devstack on the integration branch | 18:53 |
| prasadv | this is not with the client but with neutron api | 18:53 |
| mandeep | prasadv: We will be doing ene-to-end PoC integration on that | 18:54 |
| prasadv | ok. meanwhile I will check in the resources.. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: please do | 18:54 |
| s3wong | prasadv: cool | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: thanks, and great progress! | 18:55 |
| prasadv | also the template I will be using is what is provided on the preso right? | 18:55 |
| Louis_ | will there be a gp meeting at summit? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Louis_: good question | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that was the next topic | 18:55 |
| banix | thanks prasadv ! | 18:56 |
| s3wong | Louis_: both conference presentation as well as design summit, yes | 18:56 |
| mandeep | Yes, thanks prasadv | 18:56 |
| Louis_ | date time? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Atlanta summit | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | design summit session #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/e9dd467daf0cae0cdb29ee97d64bbf56#.U2KMDK1dX3A | 18:56 |
| s3wong | Louis_: presentation will be Thurs @13:30; design session keeps on changing :-) | 18:57 |
| banix | Thursday at 1:30 for the general talk | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | conference session: #link http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/456a216328d5ff2162e3cefa168eb648#.U2KZE61dX3B | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to prepare for both | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: over to you for the preso | 18:58 |
| banix | have a first draft for the conference talk | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: nice | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think its coming along very well | 18:59 |
| banix | Trying to keep the discussion as simple as possible and then build on it to avoid getting bugged down in details early on | 18:59 |
| s3wong | banix: Thanks! | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks! | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any parting thoughts? | 18:59 |
| banix | Sure; Will be working on it in the next 2 weeks :) | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 19:00 |
| s3wong | banix: up until the morning of the presentation! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 19:00 |
| banix | s3wong: indeed :) | 19:00 |
| s3wong | banix: it is exactly two weeks! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thats scary! | 19:00 |
| mandeep | banix: s3wong: Just wanted to mention that we should have a common devstack server to work on soon | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks for bringing that up | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rudra, is not here | 19:01 |
| banix | mandeep: that would be great | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he has taken that up | 19:01 |
| s3wong | mandeep: great! | 19:01 |
| * SumitNaiksatam applauds rudra! | 19:01 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we over time | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks everyone! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | until next week | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:01 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 19:01 |
| banix | bye | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 1 19:01:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
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| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-05-01-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-05-01-18.02.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-05-01-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
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