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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 15:00 |
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| devvesa | hi | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 15:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | Juno-1 is in about two weeks. | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’m not sure exactly what the date is. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | June 12th. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Also, there will be two mid-cycle meetings. One focused on nova/neutron parity and the other on LBaaS. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-lbaas-mid-cycle | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| carl_baldwin | As you may have seen, there is a bug czar appointed for the neutron team. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronBugs | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t see any new bugs for this subteam now but we’ll be going through them. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-svcs-vendor-* | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l3-svcs-vendor-* (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:05 | |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t see pcm on. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x1f2eb10> | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bgp-dynamic-routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:06 | |
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| carl_baldwin | nextone92: Hi | 15:06 |
| nextone92 | Hi Carl | 15:06 |
| keshava-hp | Hi | 15:06 |
| nextone92 | Jaume has updated the latest version of the document and will provide feedback | 15:06 |
| devvesa | There is just a new patch of the blueprint | 15:06 |
| devvesa | we have made several changes from the previous one | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: Could you edit the topic in gerrit to bp/bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I look forward to seeing the changes. Thanks for getting that up there. | 15:08 |
| gangadhar | if we have some comments.. can we update in the doc? | 15:08 |
| nextone92 | Sorry about that - topic will be updated correctly | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | gangadhar: Yes, please do add comments to the doc in gerrit. | 15:08 |
| gangadhar | ok | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | gangadhar: If you mean the google doc, nextone92 has closed comments on that so that the comments will be in the gerrit review. | 15:09 |
| devvesa | i'll be aware of any comment, so I hope to give you quick feedback | 15:09 |
| keshava-hp | I have added some comments and submitted for BGP use case and BGP-VPN documents | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: thanks for staying on top of it. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | keshava-hp: great | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Have you guys had a chance to begin getting your hands dirty with a proof of concept yet? | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m curious to see a comparison of the various BGP speakers that have been suggested. | 15:10 |
| devvesa | basic changes from the previous one is to add the idea of a new agent, as we talked in the summit and try to avoid protocol names (as BGP in table names and entities) | 15:11 |
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| * pcm_ sorry, I'm late | 15:12 | |
| devvesa | carl_baldwin: i can begin the development, yes | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin to review blueprint | 15:12 |
| devvesa | but I haven't had the opportunity until now | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: where do you think is a good place to begin? | 15:12 |
| devvesa | I think I have to start with the agent that implements the BGP functionality | 15:13 |
| devvesa | and that would be a good chance to try BGP speakers | 15:14 |
| devvesa | (understanding BGP speaker as an implementation of the API that the agent will expose) | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Sounds reasonable. Could you add a few items to the “Work Items” section in the bp? | 15:15 |
| devvesa | ok | 15:15 |
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| devvesa | #action devvesa to ad work items at bp | 15:15 |
| keshava-hp | Hi, when we do BGP we are thinking these CN Nodes = CE ( BGP-VPN Scenario) ? or only adding BGP routing ? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Please review the blueprint | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90833 | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | nextone92: devvesa: anything else to discuss? | 15:16 |
| nextone92 | Looking forward to the team feedback | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-svcs-vendor-* | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l3-svcs-vendor-* (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:16 | |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: hi | 15:16 |
| pcm_ | hi! | 15:16 |
| pcm_ | Been trying to split out validation for VPNaaS. Hit some problems with initial approach. Trying another approach now, that is working better. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | I see your blueprint is marked WIP. So, I haven’t spent much time looking at it. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: did you get what you need out of the ML discussion? | 15:18 |
| pcm_ | carl_baldwin: I think so... some is moot point as cannot really do validation before persistence | 15:18 |
| pcm_ | carl_baldwin: Need to do from within persistence (to handle case of multiple clients changing same config) | 15:19 |
| pcm_ | so, no issue of pre/post commit vs validate/apply. | 15:19 |
| pcm_ | I've got validation separated for one API and am trying to modify vendor code to see if I can override. | 15:20 |
| pcm_ | looks promising. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Sounds good. Let us know when you have something to look over. | 15:20 |
| pcm_ | Once I get one API done, I can put out as WIP. | 15:20 |
| pcm_ | For some early feedback. | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | pcm_: That’ll be good. Anything else? | 15:21 |
| pcm_ | carl_baldwin: Made a bug for the client side validation removal, but no action on it yet. | 15:22 |
| pcm_ | carl_baldwin: That's all for me. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: Could you paste a link here for the bug just for reference? | 15:22 |
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| pcm_ | sure. I'll look it up... | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | roaet_: ping | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sorry I’m kind of rushing through the topics this morning and leaving a few off. I want to have time to discuss DVR when Swami joins. | 15:25 |
| keshava-hp | BGP summarlization also we have plan to add ? | 15:25 |
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| pcm_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1322659 | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: Right, I was looking in the neutron bugs even knowing it was a client bug. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:26 |
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| pcm_ | carl_baldwin: Yeah, took me a bit to get to the right queue | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ll move to DVR when Swami is on. | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | keshava-hp: I don’t understand the question, could you elaborate? | 15:27 |
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| yamamoto | how about creating a bgp speakers comparison chart somewhere eg. on wiki? | 15:28 |
| nextone92 | Sounds good - maybe we could reuse the etherpad? | 15:29 |
| nextone92 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-dynamic-routing | 15:29 |
| devvesa | yamamoto: that would be good. I think is the best moment to do it | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto: I would like to see that. Would you mind getting a wiki page started? Add a link to it in the bp? | 15:29 |
| keshava-hp | when there are many prefix from multiple Nodes, then it possible to aggregates routes and advertize to peer speaker. This will help to reduce number of route entries in the upstream BGP. This will also help to reduce route flapping when a particular VM prefix is withdraw | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m okay with wiki or etherpad. | 15:30 |
| devvesa | carl_baldwin: btw, we think we can have the development ready for j | 15:30 |
| yamamoto | i can create a wiki. any suggested url? | 15:30 |
| devvesa | juno-3 | 15:30 |
| yamamoto | wiki is easier for a table than etherpad | 15:31 |
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| devvesa | agree | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | #action yamamoto will create bgp speaker comparison table on wiki and link from bp. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:32 |
| Swami | hi | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-ovs-dvr (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:32 | |
| Swami | DVR progress update | 15:33 |
| Swami | The DVR spec was approved this week | 15:33 |
| Swami | DVR is targetted for Juno Milestone 1. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, thank you for addressing comments very quickly. | 15:33 |
| Swami | We are still working on the SNAT part. | 15:33 |
| Swami | It seems that it might take another 5 working days to complete the SNAT portion. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: does that come as a patch separate from the east/west and floating ip north/south? | 15:34 |
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| Swami | So I was thinking about pushing just east-west first. | 15:35 |
| Swami | And then later the FIP and SNAT together will be another patch. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | If so, I’d be thrilled to see the other stuff land for Juno-1 even before default SNAT lands. | 15:35 |
| Swami | That way we can target for reviewing and pushing the code for Juno Milestone 1 | 15:35 |
| Swami | Also to address any unit test issues and add any unit tests it would be easy to handle one at a time rather than all together. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Could fip and snat be separated in order to review the distributed north south earlier? | 15:36 |
| Swami | But this would be the worst case. | 15:36 |
| Swami | No right now we are not planning to split the fip and snat. They will go together. | 15:36 |
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| Swami | If we have everything working for the North-South by next week, then we can push everything for Juno 1 milestone, otherwise we should have a back up plan. | 15:37 |
| Swami | So just targetting East-West will be the back up plan. | 15:37 |
| Swami | Does that sound reasonable. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: when can you push the east / west code? | 15:38 |
| Swami | Yes I have already pushed the plugin code, Vivek is also addressing the comments on the ML2/OVS work for East-West. | 15:39 |
| armax | it's my understanding that reviews here: | 15:39 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:39 |
| armax | are addressing the east/west case | 15:39 |
| armax | and they also introduce the api/model changes | 15:39 |
| Swami | Then I will ask Mike and Murali to push in just the East-West for the L3 Agent and Scheduler part. | 15:39 |
| armax | is there any review missing to the lot? | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: That will be great. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | armax: No all the reviews should be in the same page. | 15:40 |
| Swami | We starting pushing everything earlier. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: that link contains all of them. | 15:40 |
| armax | cool | 15:41 |
| Swami | But to be safe and to have something to be merged for Juno 1 I am proposing that we might only push the East-West . | 15:41 |
| armax | so if at least we get all of them by J1 | 15:41 |
| armax | it's a good start | 15:41 |
| Swami | Yes that is my plan. Hopefully everything should fall in at the right time. | 15:41 |
| Swami | Carl: For the next month I will be working in different time zone. I am on FTO, so will be working from India. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: In your email to me yesterday you mentioned some patches that should be reviewed first. I plan to add that to the how to wiki page that you created. Are you okay with that? | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Good to know. | 15:42 |
| armax | swami: I can help you with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84223/ if you like | 15:42 |
| Swami | Yes I wanted the "Base L3 Plugin Extension" code to be reviewed first since all other patches have dependency on it. | 15:42 |
| Swami | armax: Thanks | 15:43 |
| armax | Swami: unless you have it almost ready | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Is that the link that armax pasted ^ | 15:44 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I think it is | 15:44 |
| Swami | armax: The current patch that I uploaded last night has everything that is required for East-West, I still need to add unit test for the code that I added. | 15:44 |
| Swami | carl: yes | 15:44 |
| armax | Swami: feel free to poke me individually to coordinate efforts | 15:44 |
| Swami | vivek has also posted the L2 code. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Great. armax and Swami let me know if I can help. I’ll stick to that review like glue. | 15:44 |
| Swami | armax: sure will do. | 15:44 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: I am sure you're not the only one ;) | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will document patch dependencies on the wiki for other reviewers. | 15:45 |
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| Swami | carl: Also the ML2 / OVS code is also posted for review. Vivek is addressing the review comments, that should also be addressed. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | It is very encouraging to see that Jenkins gave it a +1. | 15:46 |
| Swami | the other patches can follow these two patches. | 15:46 |
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| Swami | Yes I was working last night to make sure everything works. I have not broken any unit test as of now. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Great work. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87730/ | 15:46 |
| Swami | I will start to work on adding new test cases for handling the distributed one. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | This is Vivek’s ^ | 15:46 |
| Swami | carl: Yes that is vivek's patch. | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | It needs a rebase. Jenkins couldn’t merge it. | 15:48 |
| Swami | I will speak to Murali and also ask him to push his scheduler code with my code as a dependency, so that everything for East-West will come through. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Sounds good. | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Is there anything more that you need from me or the subteam? | 15:50 |
| Swami | carl: I will let you know if I need any help. | 15:51 |
| Swami | For now we might have to focus on these two reviews and try to finalize it. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m still trying to set up my multi-node test bed. Our datacenter guys took my machines out from under me. So, I had a little set back. | 15:51 |
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| Swami | By monday I will ask Mike and murali to push their updated code for review. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Sounds like a plan. I may mark the other patches as WIP to keep them from drawing focus away from these two. | 15:52 |
| Swami | Ok, sounds good to me. | 15:53 |
| armax | Swami: it's good to do it sooner rather than later so that in the process they can incorporate feedback while the patch shapes up | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: +1 | 15:53 |
| Swami | armax: Are you talking about the other two patches or the North/South. | 15:54 |
| armax | Swami: mine it's more like a general comment, if the patches are really early stages then it's worth waiting a little more | 15:54 |
| armax | but I am assuming that's not the case | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I have a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96389 | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | I have the feeling that this ^ should be squashed in to another patch. | 15:55 |
| Swami | Yes, that is the reason we had all our patches out there for a while now. | 15:55 |
| Swami | carl: I have fixing a merge conflict issue with the HEAD. And unfortunately it ended up as a separate patch. | 15:56 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I am taking this one over, I'll take care of it | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: It has been helpful for me to see the early patches up there. I have had a head start in understanding the code/patch structure. | 15:56 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: this one actually: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84223/ | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Great. | 15:57 |
| Swami | armax: carl: thanks for your help. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: yw. Glad to help. It is fun! | 15:58 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I abandoned patch 96389 fyi | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: good | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Anything else? | 15:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | That’s a wrap. Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| armax | none from me | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 16:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-05-29-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-05-29-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-05-29-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| pcm_ | ye | 16:00 |
| pcm_ | bye | 16:00 |
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| Swami | thanks carl. | 16:00 |
| Swami | bye | 16:00 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 16:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 16:57:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 16:57 |
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| davidlenwell | Roll call | 16:57 |
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| davidlenwell | roll call? | 16:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 16:59 |
| rockyg | o/ | 16:59 |
| fcarpenter | o/ | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | Do we have catherine|2? | 17:00 |
| catherine|2 | yes | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | excelent | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | agenda: storyboard, specs, f2f, open discussion | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | #topic storyboard | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "storyboard (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:00 | |
| davidlenwell | So I spent some time in the last week getting to know storyboard. | 17:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | could we also talk about Havana vs Icehouse tempest? | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | we do that before specs | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | so next | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | while storyboard is an incomplete product.. I feel its as usable as launchpad.. and the storyboard team is very open to our feedback. | 17:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:02 |
| davidlenwell | I'll probably even commit some code it to my self. | 17:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | would like to have names instead of IDs in the URL, FWIW | 17:02 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 17:02 |
| davidlenwell | I filed a story for that on friday | 17:02 |
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| davidlenwell | they want it to | 17:02 |
| davidlenwell | too | 17:02 |
| davidlenwell | So make sure when you are writing specs and making commits to reference your storyboard link. | 17:03 |
| rockyg | good point. | 17:03 |
| davidlenwell | for those of you who didn't catch my emails to fits .. storyboard is at storyboard.openstack.org | 17:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | are all the blueprints migrated to storyboard at this pont? | 17:04 |
| davidlenwell | if you have not already .. go sign in for the first time so I can assign you work ;) | 17:04 |
| fcarpenter | will you update restack.org to include that link? | 17:04 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: yes | 17:04 |
| rockyg | i've filed the story and will file spec later today | 17:04 |
| davidlenwell | fcarpenter: yes.. I will do that today.. there is actually a story that includes that task | 17:04 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. so thats that .. everyone on board with storyboard? | 17:05 |
| davidlenwell | any objections will need to be voiced now ;) | 17:06 |
| catherine|2 | yes | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | awesome.. moving right along.. | 17:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | #topic icehouse vs havana tempest | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse vs havana tempest (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:06 | |
| sarob | It looks good | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | so this should be short | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | use trunk tempest always .. moving along | 17:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 but want to talk about timing | 17:07 |
| davidlenwell | branchless tempest is what we want.. when do we want it? now | 17:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since I know that we have to update TCUP | 17:07 |
| davidlenwell | I was actually surprised not to see a commit updating the version of tempest the tester is using | 17:07 |
| davidlenwell | but I guess I can do that since I wrote that | 17:07 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I'll update that as soon as I finish writing my specs | 17:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | thanks | 17:08 |
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| davidlenwell | which I plan to have done in the next 24 hours | 17:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | if we can get it running outside of tcyup that would be a good gate | 17:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | before I work on making it work inside of it | 17:08 |
| catherine|2 | there are about 600 testcase in for API in Havana... In Icehouse this number is about 2000+ ... | 17:08 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: yes .. is that a problem? | 17:09 |
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| catherine|2 | no except for test time and extra configuration needed | 17:09 |
| catherine|2 | I am trying to use master Tempest to test my Havana clouds ... | 17:10 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: yes .. thats an issue.. but its an issue we have to solve refardless | 17:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | are the test IDs the same? | 17:10 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | it would be a problem for defcor if not | 17:10 |
| catherine|2 | test IDs --> full test case name ? | 17:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since we need havana results for havana clouds | 17:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:11 |
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| catherine|2 | yes I think it is more a problem for DefCore .. | 17:11 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | it should be OK unless the test really changes funciton but keeps the same name | 17:12 |
| catherine|2 | I am trying to take a inventory to see whether 1) full test name are retain ..2) what additional | 17:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | which I think would have much more serious implications | 17:12 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: good thinking | 17:12 |
| catherine|2 | I don't think so but I am trying to verify with Havana cloud before going to Icehouse cloud .. | 17:12 |
| davidlenwell | So there is no icehouse tempest .. just to be clear | 17:13 |
| davidlenwell | after havana its branchless | 17:13 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, I think moving to trunk tempest is the right thing but it's a bit of scope creep for Havana | 17:13 |
| catherine|2 | just using the sme master tempest for both Havana and Icehouse cloud ... | 17:13 |
| zehicle_at_dell | totally able to justify, we just need to be transparent | 17:13 |
| davidlenwell | of course | 17:13 |
| * zehicle_at_dell is thinking about impact on reports and happy to have single tempest | 17:14 | |
| catherine|2 | since I have lots of data from testing havana tempest with havana cloud | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | I don't want to keep focusing on havana tempest | 17:14 |
| catherine|2 | I can make tht comparison .. | 17:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, +1 | 17:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | It seems to me that we | 17:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | are ok as long as the IDs are consistent | 17:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since that's the ultimate handle we're using, not the source | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | even if they are not .. we have to find a way to migrate | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | branched tempest is a thing of the past | 17:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | if they are not, then it's even more urgent to move to the consinstent one | 17:15 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 17:15 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. moving on | 17:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | kk | 17:15 |
| davidlenwell | #topic specs | 17:15 |
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| catherine|2 | I am more concern about the consistency of test name/ID for core and capability test list | 17:15 |
| davidlenwell | so specs are rolling in.. catherine|2 I started to review the one you posted last night but my eyes didn't want to read anymore.. so I'll review it this morning. | 17:16 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: what is the status of your specs? | 17:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm working on the designs for both | 17:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | making some progress on layout and approach | 17:16 |
| davidlenwell | Do you have an eta? | 17:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'd be happy to upload partials if people want to see the problem statement | 17:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | tomorrow | 17:17 |
| rockyg | I think partials would be informative | 17:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think I've cracked the design for the comparison one | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | I'd always like to see partials if you are into feedback | 17:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | happy to do that | 17:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | will upload by EOD for them | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | excelent | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | what about your specs rockyg | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | ? | 17:17 |
| rockyg | Matrix will be in today. | 17:18 |
| davidlenwell | yay! | 17:18 |
| rockyg | Looks like you got the example unit test cooking? | 17:18 |
| davidlenwell | and catherine|2 has one more riht ? | 17:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I had a question about catherine|2 spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96311/ | 17:18 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: I did | 17:18 |
| catherine|2 | yes working on it | 17:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | it looks like it overlaps w/ the other API upload spec | 17:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I called that out in review, but figured we could talk here if that helps | 17:18 |
| rockyg | davidlenwell: great on example unit test | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | ha ha test_nothing is a good start | 17:19 |
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| rockyg | Dow we need a spec on breaking out the config into the three sections? If so, we should do it cross project with storyboard. | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: not yet | 17:20 |
| rockyg | Can storyboard do cross project? | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | for our imidiate porposes we are going to consider config a blackbox | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: yes it can | 17:20 |
| rockyg | kewl x2 | 17:20 |
| zehicle_at_dell | one of the items I | 17:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | noticed in review was that we may want to have a client library for the API | 17:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so that we could use it from multiple places in the same way | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: indeed | 17:21 |
| rockyg | sounds right | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | lets add a story for that | 17:21 |
| davidlenwell | assign it to me .. made the first task write a spec | 17:22 |
| rockyg | +1 | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | next topic | 17:22 |
| davidlenwell | #topic f2f | 17:22 |
| catherine|2 | wait | 17:22 |
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| davidlenwell | yes catherine|2? | 17:23 |
| catherine|2 | zehicle_at_dell:suggest we should merge the api--api-sync with an API upload spec? | 17:23 |
| catherine|2 | I am open for that .. | 17:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherine|2, there are parts of it that overlap | 17:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but I think you also have use-cases that are different | 17:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'd suggest that we pull the API spec out and use the current one | 17:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but leave in the refstack to refstack synch part | 17:24 |
| zehicle_at_dell | because that was distinct. | 17:24 |
| catherine|2 | davidlenwell: I avouid the sync word ... | 17:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | could we call it "private refstack to public refstack push" ? | 17:25 |
| catherine|2 | because I don't think we sync the data because both sides do not have identical data | 17:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think that's the primary use case | 17:25 |
| catherine|2 | zehicle_at_dell: +1 | 17:25 |
| rockyg | good point. push sounds good to me. | 17:25 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | "private refstack to public refstack push" seems like a better title | 17:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that would make it easier for me to review. I'll save additional comments for the revision | 17:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let's put "push" first now that I'm reading it back | 17:26 |
| catherine|2 | so we change the story? | 17:26 |
| catherine|2 | story title | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 17:26 |
| catherine|2 | +1 | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. so moving on to face to face | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: will be in town in june for a few days.. thought we should take the time and have a f2f | 17:27 |
| rockyg | yup | 17:28 |
| catherine|2 | +1 | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: are your dates final ? | 17:28 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I have some flex if needed | 17:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but they are getting pretty locked | 17:29 |
| davidlenwell | so I think the original plan was for us to get together at the piston office on the 11th | 17:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:29 |
| davidlenwell | or am I off base? | 17:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's right. defcore f2f is 12th | 17:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I was planning to be at CF summit on 10th | 17:30 |
| davidlenwell | excelent .. fcarpenter can you reserve us a conf room that can hold 7 people comfortably? | 17:30 |
| fcarpenter | on 6/11? | 17:30 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 17:30 |
| fcarpenter | time of day,? | 17:30 |
| davidlenwell | I'd say noon to 6pm | 17:31 |
| fcarpenter | yes I can probably get panama | 17:31 |
| rockyg | you'll send out new address for us? | 17:31 |
| fcarpenter | 126 Post St 5th Floor San Francisco CA 94108 | 17:31 |
| fcarpenter | but we'll send it out, too | 17:31 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. we'll email fits with the info | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | panama would be great | 17:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | do you want an etherpad for an agenda? | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: yes | 17:32 |
| * zehicle_at_dell making pad | 17:32 | |
| davidlenwell | okay.. so im going to sneak in another topic here | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | #topic swagger | 17:33 |
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| davidlenwell | #link https://helloreverb.com/developers/swagger | 17:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack.2014-06-11 | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | this is swagger.. I won't go into describing it because .. well they have done a good job of that | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | it does do client generation .. but not currently in python.. however I'm told that is in the works. | 17:34 |
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| rockyg | interesting.... | 17:35 |
| davidlenwell | yes it is | 17:35 |
| davidlenwell | So I'm going to put some serious thought into if and how we can use it.. will probably update the v1 api spec to include it if I think we need to use it | 17:36 |
| rockyg | if it does what it says, it is tes cool. | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | indeed | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | we shall see | 17:36 |
| rockyg | tres | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | so moving along.. one more sneak in topic | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | #topic py26 gate is no more | 17:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I've got some parking lots.... | 17:37 |
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| davidlenwell | anyone who submitted a patch to refstack and payed attention to its testing might have noticed that I took py26 testing out of the gate. | 17:37 |
| davidlenwell | as I said I would a few months ago | 17:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I've noticed that we're faiing patches because we have no tests | 17:38 |
| rockyg | how does this work with havana refstack, or will the advisory status of H refstack suffice to let us do away with it? | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: that is no longer true | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, yes. that's a general hall pass | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, cool! | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | I posted an empty test yesterday .. if you rebase your patch it will make it through | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | I did send you a message on skype saying this | 17:39 |
| * zehicle_at_dell ok, will do | 17:39 | |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes, I saw and did rebase | 17:39 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I know that praveen had the same issue | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. its because infra made a change on the 9th | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | 0 tests is no longer acceptable | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | so now we have 1 tests | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | teset | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | test | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | typing is hard | 17:40 |
| rockyg | especially when low on caffeine | 17:41 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open discussion | 17:41 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I've got a pending change to the coretest.json file | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | based on DefCore discussion, it needed some more info | 17:41 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | specifically, the criteria description | 17:41 |
| rockyg | right. | 17:41 |
| catherine|2 | About the spec that only send passing data | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | also needed to open it up a little so we could add scores | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | yes catherine|2 | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | ? | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we need to enable people to post changes to single test criteria via gerrit for review | 17:42 |
| catherine|2 | davidlenwell: is that just for TCUP . | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | does that make sense? | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: no | 17:42 |
| catherine|2 | I mean for data collection to determine core | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherine|2, I think that we want the public refstack to only take pass results | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: that is for everything | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we may want private refstacks to also have fail tests | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | which is why it includes an option for not scrubbing the data ..so you can use it inhouse without only submitting pass. | 17:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, +1 | 17:43 |
| rockyg | All test info needs to get scrubbed before sent to/added to refstack.org | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | I did include that in the spec.. thanks to zehicle_at_dell and rockyg feedback | 17:43 |
| catherine|2 | so from refstack.org point of view we only save passing dta no logs or raw data for debug ... | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: so you will also need to add that to your api-api sync | 17:44 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, if someone does send the wrong data, then I suspect we should scrub it again just in case | 17:44 |
| rockyg | but local copies not officially on refstack.org can have everything | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 17:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | perhaps we should 500 on uploads that have non-pass info | 17:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | IMHO, that data could be toxic | 17:45 |
| catherine|2 | so the scrub data ill be in a format that refstack define? It is no longer a subunit defined format? | 17:45 |
| rockyg | Right. So, scrubbed in remote refstack and tcup before upload then verified/rescrubbed on arrival at refstack.org | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: we should be able to keep it in subunit format | 17:45 |
| rockyg | I think it's still subunit, but no tests left that fail or are skipped. | 17:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm backing away from rescrubbed. I'd think to just bounce it | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I agree | 17:46 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we don't want that information hanging out on public servers anywhere | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | the client submitting it will have the tools to scrub | 17:46 |
| rockyg | agreed. | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | we don't want to liability | 17:46 |
| catherine|2 | davidlenwell: that would be a big job ... essentially we are writing a different version ofr subunit output data ... | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | last thing I want is storys of how someones cloud was comprimised only after submitting data to refstack | 17:46 |
| rockyg | but it still means we need to verify it's prescrubbed. | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: thats easy enough | 17:47 |
| rockyg | cool | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | if it includes a fail .. its not scrubbed | 17:47 |
| rockyg | or skipped | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | skip == fail from our perspective | 17:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:47 |
| rockyg | can we insert a tag or some metadata in the subunit that will indicate the file has passed through our scrubber? | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|2: lets discuss that offline | 17:48 |
| catherine|2 | yup | 17:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell | different topic > does anyone have a preference for wireframe tools? | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | balsamiq | 17:48 |
| zehicle_at_dell | kk, will check that you. | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | So everyone.. re: storyboard.. | 17:50 |
| davidlenwell | as you are using it and you percieve an limitation .. please discuss it with them.. they are very open | 17:50 |
| davidlenwell | either file a story .. or chat with them in #storyboard | 17:50 |
| davidlenwell | we are an early adoptor | 17:50 |
| davidlenwell | and our feedback is very valuable to them | 17:50 |
| krotscheck | ping me | 17:50 |
| krotscheck | VERY valuable | 17:51 |
| krotscheck | I love feedback. | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | hi krotscheck | 17:51 |
| krotscheck | Also, we JUST got our second +2, so things should move faster now. | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | awesome news! | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | let the patches flow! | 17:51 |
| rockyg | kk. You know me, I'm not shy;-) you'll hear frim me. | 17:51 |
| krotscheck | …that sounds like a sewage metaphor. | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | krotscheck: it did didn't it | 17:52 |
| krotscheck | davidlenwell: It really did. | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | I'll be careful with that in the future | 17:52 |
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| davidlenwell | anything else for open discussion? | 17:53 |
| rockyg | I got nuthin | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we've got some backlog | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | of patches | 17:53 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: ping me in an hour or so and we'll sift through them | 17:53 |
| davidlenwell | now that patches can land .. | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | reasonable | 17:53 |
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| * sarob_ lurking still | 17:53 | |
| zehicle_at_dell | them I'm good | 17:54 |
| davidlenwell | sarob_: can you remind me of your real name? | 17:54 |
| rockyg | sean roberts | 17:54 |
| sarob_ | Sean Roberts | 17:54 |
| davidlenwell | oh thanks .. thats right | 17:54 |
| davidlenwell | sarob_: did you have any more thoughts on tempest config that we didn't already talk about at the summit? | 17:54 |
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| sarob_ | Not yet | 17:55 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. well don't be shy when youd o | 17:55 |
| sarob_ | I've got too much plate | 17:55 |
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| sarob_ | Or small plate | 17:55 |
| davidlenwell | sarob_: understood .. thanks for paying attention | 17:55 |
| sarob_ | Either one | 17:55 |
| rockyg | is the meetup in SV tonight? | 17:55 |
| sarob_ | Yup | 17:55 |
| davidlenwell | meetup? | 17:56 |
| rockyg | Ill be there. | 17:56 |
| sarob_ | Bldg e training room 8 | 17:56 |
| sarob_ | Cool | 17:56 |
| rockyg | OpenStack "hackathon" | 17:56 |
| rockyg | recruiting tool | 17:56 |
| sarob_ | I run the sfbay Openstack user group | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | oh cool | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | is there a link to more info? | 17:57 |
| rockyg | I can email you the reminder.... | 17:57 |
| sarob_ | #link meetup.com/Openstack | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | awesome .. thanks | 17:57 |
| rockyg | better | 17:57 |
| sarob_ | That works too | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | okay everyone.. good meeting .. thanks for showing up and participating :) | 17:57 |
| rockyg | very productive today. | 17:58 |
| sarob_ | #link http://meetup.com/Openstack | 17:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:58 |
| rockyg | ttfn | 17:58 |
| sarob_ | Thx | 17:58 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 17:58:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-29-16.57.html | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-29-16.57.txt | 17:58 |
| catherine|2 | pls send info about fa2f | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-05-29-16.57.log.html | 17:58 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack.2014-06-11 | 17:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi Group Policy team! | 18:01 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 29 18:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:01 |
| banix | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Gerrit Reviews | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | per the discussion last week, and based on reviewer preferences, the patches have been restructured | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we have started with the EP, EPG, L2/3_Context resources at the head of the series | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the API, DB, and Plugin patches for these are already in | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95900 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96050 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96393 | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | these will be backed with the mapping driver patches, that rkukura is working on | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ^^^ | 18:04 |
| rkukura | right, I expect that to be a series of 5 patches: API, DB, Plugin, Implicit Context Driver, Mapping Driver | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so for Juno, we will be going depth and breadth | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in terms of the patch series | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *Juno 1 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so rkukura mentioned above the depth series for EP, EPG, L2/3_Context | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in parallel there will be a breadth series which will start introducing the other required resources in the model | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that way reviews can proceed in parallel on the model as well as the changes leading to the data path | 18:07 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Is our goal for Juno 1 to get the 1st 9 patches mentioned so far merged if possible? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, any dependencies on the model (like CLI, Heat, Horizon) can proceed in parallel with the model patches being in place | 18:08 |
| rkukura | s/9/8/ | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: definitely | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what do others think about this? | 18:08 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: should we break CLI/Heat into different patches matching the model patches? | 18:09 |
| armax | it's an ambitious goal, it really depends on the review churn | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: completely agree | 18:09 |
| armax | but it's doable | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hoping for the best ;-) | 18:09 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: probably not, you can just depend on the most recent model patch | 18:09 |
| banix | hemanthravi: i would say no | 18:09 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: unless the size of patch becomes too large, that is | 18:09 |
| hemanthravi | ok | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we need to weigh the overhead | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so while on the patches | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had the older patches: | 18:11 |
| rkukura | hemanthravi: Is the question whether to break it horizonally, with the 1st four resrouces in one patch, other resources in followup patches? If so, I’d think that depends on the size. | 18:11 |
| rkukura | mandeep: That’s what I was trying to say :) | 18:11 |
| mandeep | rkukura: +1 ;-) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: did you get your answer? | 18:12 |
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| hemanthravi | yes, will group them to make the patches manageable....cli/heat should be easy to review | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i was saying, we had older patches that were causing confusion | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93853, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93935 | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the suggestion is to just abandon these | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | agree? | 18:13 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: +1, with a comment referencing the new series | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the history will still remain | 18:13 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes keeping them around adds to confusion | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | +1 | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes we will note that, and the review comments will be incorporated as well | 18:14 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: I agree, the PoC/prototype pieces there were creating confusion w.r.t to the final code that we expect to check-in and support | 18:14 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: marking as abandoned seems reasonable | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix ivar-lazzaro: ok | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: ok | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action rkukura SumitNaiksatam to abandon older patches | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | do we need to discuss anything on the current patches | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | current -> newer | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know they landed recently | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ronak has feedback and i addressed them | 18:15 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: They look great! | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i just saw rkukura’s comments and i havent addresed them | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:15 |
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| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: As armax identified, this is an big task for review. Can we get volunteers to start this review? | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | rkukura: yes, will break as your comment suggest | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: do you want me to volunteer people’s names? ;-P | 18:16 |
| rkukura | In reviewing, I started thinking about what our stance on IPv6 should be in these initial series | 18:16 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: I understand that we will need the datapath code to get some of these reviews forward, and that should be coming soon | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we have a separate agenda item to discuss that | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can we defer the ipv6 discussion to that? | 18:17 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Sure, but I’d like a clear decision on whether we are going to implement and test IPv6 during Juno | 18:18 |
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| mandeep | rkukura: My recommendation would be to ficus on IPv4 for Juno | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: that was my understanding | 18:18 |
| mandeep | rkukura: We can come to IPv6 post-Juno, as that will be significant task in itself | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: is ipv6 support in neutron completely baked (i thought we are still implementing this) | 18:18 |
| rkukura | mandeep: I’m fine with that too, with the understanding that we are including IPv6 in the API, but raising exceptions if it is used | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that sounds like the way to go | 18:19 |
| mandeep | rkukura: Good idea | 18:19 |
| rkukura | As long as reviewers will be OK with that, for now. | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed No ipv6 support in GP will be beyond Juno, in Juno we will have it in the resource model but will raise exception | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that did not come out right | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Agreed object at 0x23789d0> | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed ipv6 support in GP will be beyond Juno, in Juno we will have it in the resource model but will raise exception | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic PoC follow-up | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so last week we said that we are still working on the security groups mapping | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:22 |
| rkukura | Now that we’ve switched to depth-first, I’ve been focusing on the 1st series of patches rather than on the PoC | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:23 |
| rkukura | So no new progress on the PoC | 18:23 |
| rkukura | I’d like to get the 5 patches mentioned above into review as soon as possible, then switch to SG mapping | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so i would imagine the depth-first does not include the SG mapping yet | 18:23 |
| mandeep | rkukura: Agreed | 18:23 |
| rkukura | At that point, we can evaluate whether this makes more sense to do in the PoC repo, or based on the gerrit master + unmerged patches | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other pending item from the PoC was the services’ integration | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | stephen was working on it | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but he is on vacation and he provided an update | 18:24 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Correct, the SGs will come in when policy resources are added | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will just paste it here | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Stephen’s update: For GP, I am still looking at moving the 'redirect' code to the right place (contract creation rather than action creation). However, since there will likely be changes on how mapping driver would/should work based on Armando's comments, and that the final implementation will depend on the ServiceBase work anyway, this will likely be pushed a bit later. | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think he is more focussed on the advanced services stuff right now to align with this | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Mapping driver/data path patches | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we covered a bit of this earlier | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but there was some discussion on the mailing lists (and also from last week) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mainly around accessing Neutron resources (Controller versus Client) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura you have chosen an approach for this? | 18:26 |
| rkukura | I think we’ve got concensus around starting out using python-neutronclient | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:27 |
| rkukura | I’ve got reservations about that regarding performance and failure modes it introduces, but it should allow rapid progress without having to come up with a better solution | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so the depth-first series will be implemented with the client? | 18:28 |
| rkukura | That’s the plan | 18:28 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: There was an action item from last week to meet with armax for an ad-hoc meeting. Since there was concensus on moving forward with client API, bot rkukura and armax felt that we did not need this meeeting anymore. | 18:28 |
| LouisF | is the BP updated with the python-neutronclient design? | 18:28 |
| rkukura | For calls to neutron resources. Calls to GP resources can probably be directly on the plugin | 18:28 |
| armax | don't we all have reservations about performance and failure modes? | 18:28 |
| armax | :) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: ok | 18:28 |
| armax | regardless of the approach? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: true | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: are you comfortable with what mandeep mentions above ^^^ (and rkukura’s placn)? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *plan | 18:29 |
| rkukura | armax: I think using the client ensures keeping a loose coupling, enables progress, and can easily be revisited later | 18:29 |
| armax | SumitNaiksatam: at this point I think that gerrit is best venue to take the discussion forward | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: ok, so we are not doing the ad hoc meeting any more | 18:30 |
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| armax | having the code side by side with comments is very valuable | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: i wil punt that question to hemanthravi | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: btw, this discussion the client is different from the client for the GP model | 18:31 |
| LouisF | agree | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: out here we are talking about accessing the existing neutron resources from the GP mapping driver by using the neutronclient | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: okay | 18:31 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: this will be using neutronclient to create the net/subnet/port resources and not the gp resources, rihgt? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: does that answer your question, or were you asking the CLI design for the GP model? | 18:32 |
| LouisF | yes that answers my question | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: good | 18:33 |
| rkukura | So is everyone OK with the ImplicitContextDriver making direct calls on the GP plugin to create L2Context and L3Context instances, at least for now? | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura yes, that was also an item on the agenda | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we discussed this last week | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and good to get agreement | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: whats the alternate approach? | 18:34 |
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| rkukura | Eventually we may decide that quotas need to be enforced on the L2Context and L3Context that get created, which would be done if we used the python-neutronclient with GP support, or used the Controller. But this can come later. | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah i see | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so similar issue as that with the other neutron resources | 18:35 |
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| rkukura | Not as critical as the DHCP and nova notifications for ports | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agree, so i am +1 for the approach you mentioned (making direct calls) | 18:36 |
| rkukura | OK, this avoids introducing a dependency on an update python-neutronclient, which would prevent merging | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed calls to neutron networks, ports, subnets, routers from the mapping driver wil be made using the python-neutronclient | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed calls to GP resources from the mapping driver will be made directly | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sound okay ^^^ ? | 18:37 |
| rkukura | yes, at least for now | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:37 |
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| armax | the two agreement statements seem to be in contradiction | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so rkukura brought up a good point earlier on whether we need to support both v4 and v6 in the same EPG | 18:38 |
| armax | SumitNaiksatam: could you clarify? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: the first statement is per the earlier discussion (including email threads) | 18:39 |
| rkukura | 1st is calls on existing neutron resources, 2nd is calls on GP resources | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: the second statement says, that for the GP resources that need to be created/updated from the mapping driver, the mapping driver will make direct calls on the GP plugin API | 18:39 |
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| armax | SumitNaiksatam: gotcha, thanks | 18:40 |
| armax | SumitNaiksatam: so long as back and forth of messages between objects is minimized we should be good | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | armax: yeah, i agree | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so back to the earlier point - rkukura brought up a good point earlier on whether we need to support both v4 and v6 in the same EPG | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am guessing not for Juno | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | right? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if not, rkukura’s question is whether we will ever support | 18:42 |
| rkukura | If we aren’t doing IPv6 for Juno, we definitely won’t do both for Juno | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true, but i am not sure if we will ever need it | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone has thoughts on this? | 18:43 |
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| rkukura | But I’ve got no hands-on IPv6 experience, and was wondering if the model should allow an EPG to have multiple L2Cs and/or an L2C to have multiple L3Cs, either/both of which would allow a single EPG to have both IPv4 and IPv6 L3Cs | 18:43 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: We will probably need a longer design review for IPv6 and GP, I recommend a fuller review post-Juno deliverables and not make this decision without that background | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: so in the shorter term how do we make this future proof? | 18:44 |
| rkukura | One key question is whether these use cases would be IPv4 and IPv6 subnets on the same network, or on different networks, or both need to be supported | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets take this offline | 18:45 |
| rkukura | Sure | 18:45 |
| mandeep | rkukura: SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action mandeep rkukura to discuss ipv6 implications | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we also discussed last week about the “implicit context driver" | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just want to make sure that we all agreed | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this is a dirver which defines the criteria for implicitly creating resources | 18:47 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: You mean the driver split into two parts, correct? | 18:47 |
| rkukura | This driver packages the code thats in the mapping_driver in the PoC that creates L2Context (BD) and L3Context (RD) objects when they are not explicity passed into the API | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:47 |
| rkukura | mandeep: correct | 18:47 |
| mandeep | rkukura: OK, got it. And I agree with that. | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps this will be more clear when people actually see this in the code | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so as of now rkukura you are going with that approach, right? | 18:48 |
| rkukura | thats the plan | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Resource name changes (again!) | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | last week the suggestiong was to rename BD, RD to l2/3_context resp | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we already have resource context objects used internally in the code | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we end up with names like L2ContextContext | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura already pointed out that last week | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the suggestion is to rename l2/3_context to l2/3_policy | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | everyone okay? | 18:50 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Ok | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or i should ask, anyone disagree or any better names? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok sold then! | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed BD, RD -> l2/3_context -> l2/3_policy | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic API interception/Nova integration | 18:52 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see a problem with that, but I’m not sure if “implicit policy driver” is better or worse than “implicit context driver” | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: how about implicit mapping driver? | 18:52 |
| rkukura | Its not really a mapping, its implicit resource management | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | agree | 18:53 |
| mandeep | rkukura: agreed | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps we can discuss offline, since that is not as critical as resource names | 18:53 |
| rkukura | we could rename the Context objects passed to the driver API | 18:54 |
| rkukura | Maybe L2CContext, L3CContext, EPGContext, EPContext, …? | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah thats a possibility | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but more importantly, l2/3_policy seemed more natural to this context, than l2/3_context | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action rkukura to suggest renaming of implicit context driver | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic API interception/Nova integration | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we discussed this just a bit last weel | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *week | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hoping to get more time this week, but i think we are running behind again | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the issue here is that we need to intercept the port creation calls from nova | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can revisit this next week | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | did we miss anything? | 18:58 |
| rkukura | lets put testing on the agenda for next week | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, i was just going to say, we wanted to discuss functional tests as well | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps people need to say a little more of the code to get a better context | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we should be in good shape on that front next week | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else? | 18:59 |
| rkukura | For the mapping driver patches, I’d like to try to stick to pure unit tests, and do the testing we have in the PoC as functional tests | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: +1 | 19:00 |
| rkukura | So these unit tests would mock the neutron-pythonclient calls | 19:00 |
| mandeep | rkukura: Let us review that with Maru as well | 19:00 |
| rkukura | and neutron resources would not actually get created | 19:00 |
| mandeep | rkukura: He had some specific feedback on functional tests | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, on that happy note, lets wrap for today | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 29 19:00:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-05-29-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-05-29-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-05-29-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bye all! | 19:01 |
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