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| mfer | #startmeeting openstack-sdk-php | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 4 15:30:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_sdk_php' | 15:30 |
| mfer | Hello everyone. Please state your name along with any applicable association | 15:30 |
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| mfer | Matt Farina, HP | 15:30 |
| glenc | Glen Campbell, Rackspace | 15:30 |
| jamie_h | Jamie Hannaford, Rackspace | 15:30 |
| samchoi | Sam Choi, HP | 15:30 |
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| mfer | Thanks for coming folks | 15:31 |
| mfer | #topic Agenda | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:32 | |
| mfer | 1. Reviews in progress - any questions/concerns? We are quickly accumulating reviews that touch overlapping files. It would be in our best interest to move forward with reviews soon. (samchoi) | 15:32 |
| mfer | 2. Testing discussion, how to approach refactoring of tests, etc (samchoi). Also how are we going to approach integration tests (jamie_h) | 15:32 |
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| mfer | 3. Discussion: do we need a "scripts" or "bin" folder at the top level? (jamie_h) | 15:32 |
| mfer | 4. Discussion: do we need our own autoloader? Can we rely on Composer's instead? (jamie_h) | 15:32 |
| mfer | Is there anything else we should add? | 15:32 |
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| jamie_h | I have nothing else | 15:32 |
| samchoi | I'm ok with the topics | 15:33 |
| glenc | ok | 15:33 |
| mfer | great. | 15:33 |
| mfer | #topic Reviews in progress - any questions/concerns? | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews in progress - any questions/concerns? (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:34 | |
| mfer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/openstack-sdk-php,n,z | 15:34 |
| samchoi | Since this patch is needed by a few others, I believe it'd be worth discussing the status: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93089/ | 15:34 |
| mfer | There are a number of them and due to dependencies some that could land have not yet | 15:34 |
| mfer | I'm in the process of reviewing that one right now | 15:35 |
| mfer | samchoi can you take a look at that one today as well? | 15:35 |
| samchoi | mfer: sure, I had already reviewed a fairly recently patch so I'll check the additions today | 15:36 |
| mfer | great | 15:36 |
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| samchoi | that review reminds me, should Shaunak be reviewing that one as well? | 15:36 |
| jamiehannaford | sorry - my wifi died | 15:36 |
| mfer | sure | 15:36 |
| samchoi | Or are we fine with having 2 core reviewers? | 15:36 |
| mfer | samchoi two is enough | 15:37 |
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| samchoi | mfer: thanks. Would the protocol be the same for very simple reviews? 2 core reviewers? | 15:37 |
| mfer | jamiehannaford samchoi and I are going to look at the guzzle work today | 15:37 |
| mfer | samchoi yes | 15:37 |
| jamiehannaford | mfer thanks | 15:38 |
| jamiehannaford | can I get a quick recap on what's just been said? | 15:38 |
| mfer | we're looking at the items that need to be reivewed starting with that one | 15:38 |
| mfer | i'd like that one to get finished soon so it stops blocking the others | 15:39 |
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| jamiehannaford | yeah, exactly | 15:39 |
| jamiehannaford | that one's a blocker for me | 15:39 |
| mfer | besides the guzzle work, are there any other reviews we should discuss? | 15:39 |
| mfer | it's a blocker for me too | 15:39 |
| jamiehannaford | for now, I'd say no - we can talk about others next week probably | 15:39 |
| mfer | samchoi do you have any others you'd wanted to talk about? | 15:40 |
| samchoi | no I'm good | 15:40 |
| mfer | #topic Testing discussion, how to approach refactoring of tests, etc (samchoi). Also how are we going to approach integration tests (jamie_h) | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing discussion, how to approach refactoring of tests, etc (samchoi). Also how are we going to approach integration tests (jamie_h) (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:41 | |
| mfer | samchoi jamie_h would you like to get this discussion started? | 15:41 |
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| jamie_h | samchoi did you have an opinion about the best way to refactor tests in line with proposal? | 15:42 |
| samchoi | I primarily just wanted to get a feel for how to best proceed with refactoring current tests, given jamie_h's email to the dev mailing list | 15:42 |
| jamie_h | yeah, okay | 15:42 |
| samchoi | I've been looking at other projects' test suites and see an array of approaches and am open to suggestions | 15:42 |
| jamie_h | so, in terms of approach - shall we refactor gradually (patch by patch) or do it all in 1 patch? | 15:43 |
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| jamie_h | I don't think there's that much to do | 15:43 |
| jamie_h | stream wrappers were a big chunk of it (in terms of lines), which is in a pending patch | 15:43 |
| mfer | jamie_h i think it depends on how it comes in. if you wanted to write a patch it would get reviewed | 15:43 |
| mfer | or, it could happen with each change being made | 15:44 |
| jamie_h | I prefer the second option, personally - as long as there isn't massive scope creep | 15:44 |
| jamie_h | samchoi which approaches of other SDKs caught your attention? | 15:45 |
| samchoi | I don't have a strong opinion on either way at the moment. I do wonder if the one shot approach would potentially become a blocker if it's too large though | 15:45 |
| samchoi | The one that's caught my attention the most is the Ruby SDK, despite not having had enough time to look through it in detail yet jamie_h | 15:45 |
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| jamie_h | for now, IMO all we need to do is incorporate mocks when we unit test classes - which isn't that hard | 15:46 |
| samchoi | I spoke with a few of them, and their approach seems to be in line with what you pointed out in the email jamie_h | 15:46 |
| jamie_h | fog's testing setup is...interesting :) | 15:46 |
| jamie_h | well, the old way at least | 15:46 |
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| samchoi | they also spoke highly of VCR, which makes me wonder if PHP-VCR may be a good addition for our testing suite | 15:47 |
| jamie_h | the problem I have with VCR is that it doesn't help unit tests at all - because units of code should be isolated. capturing network traffic, although clever, goes against that isolation | 15:47 |
| jamie_h | VCR is cools for integration tests where you're mixing lots of modules together, like a full run-through | 15:48 |
| mfer | this is more their way of handling integration testing w/o having an environment for that. they don't have the same limitations we do. | 15:48 |
| jamie_h | integration testing (i.e. hitting the API) is also something I wanted to talk about | 15:48 |
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| samchoi | jamie_h: Correct, but the Ruby guys had mentioned to me that their focus was on unit and functional tests, with fucntional tests benefitting from VCR | 15:48 |
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| jamie_h | I definitely agree we need something for functional tests | 15:49 |
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| mfer | jamie_h did you have something you wanted to suggest for integration tests? | 15:49 |
| jamie_h | I've been investigating testing tools we can use for integration tests | 15:50 |
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| jamie_h | I really like the look of one, called http://behat.org/ | 15:50 |
| jamie_h | the basic idea is that you define each SDK feature as a "story" | 15:50 |
| jamie_h | that story is defined in human-readable language, and can be automatically tested against the API | 15:51 |
| jamie_h | the whole idea is that it allows us to define the scope of a feature (listContainers, getContainer) and define its acceptance criteria, i.e. a common definiton of "done" | 15:51 |
| jamie_h | so apart from integration testing, we also know what our customer's use-cases are and have a way of tracking when those features are complete (project progress) | 15:53 |
| mfer | This is quite scrum story based | 15:53 |
| mfer | can you point to any projects using behat? | 15:54 |
| jamie_h | i can find that out. It has like 600k downloads on packagist, so it's well-established | 15:54 |
| mfer | i'm thinking about this project in terms of developer experience. this is a little different from a PHP app built by a team. I can see how behat is useful for that... especially with stories | 15:54 |
| mfer | I'm trying to see how this would be useful for a developer consuming this library in addition to testing | 15:55 |
| jamie_h | it's making sure the experience of our users is well defined | 15:55 |
| mfer | a library like this is a slightly different animal | 15:55 |
| jamie_h | this is what I'm referring to: http://dannorth.net/whats-in-a-story/ | 15:55 |
| mfer | for example, i was looking at the acceptance tests of gophercloud (https://github.com/rackspace/gophercloud) | 15:56 |
| mfer | talking with a number of developers they thought this was a great idea | 15:56 |
| mfer | they are acceptance tests and they work great as examples of how to do things | 15:56 |
| mfer | the audience is developers rather than a PM who is checking the story in human readable language | 15:56 |
| mfer | i'm curious what y'all think | 15:57 |
| samchoi | I haven't encountered a projet using behat yet, I have no opinion at the moment | 15:57 |
| jamie_h | it's a way of us defining user requirements | 15:58 |
| jamie_h | and testing them with our SDK | 15:58 |
| mfer | jamie_h do you know of any open source libraries using behat. i'd like to look at usage and who it applies to | 15:58 |
| jamie_h | mfer I'll add that as an action point | 15:58 |
| jamie_h | we don't need to reach decisions now, just sharing what I've been researching recently | 15:59 |
| mfer | i'll tell ya, what we did in my last gig would have benefited from behat. i'm just not sure about an SDK with all developers working on it. | 15:59 |
| mfer | i think it's great. and i'm going to look more into behat | 15:59 |
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| jamie_h | it's a tool that benefits any software project which has consumers | 15:59 |
| mfer | different kinds of consumers do things and prefer things in a different way | 16:00 |
| jamie_h | because you're defining their engagement and making sure those user requirements are always tested | 16:00 |
| mfer | lots of enterprise developers don't use scrum or stories. this will be different for them | 16:00 |
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| mfer | it might be good if each of us who isn't familiar with behat can take a look at it | 16:01 |
| mfer | it might be good to look at who our target audiences are (and not assume that ourselves are the 80% of that group in style) and look at the context | 16:01 |
| jamie_h | this is a good intro to behat: http://behat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/quick_intro.html | 16:01 |
| jamie_h | the whole idea of behat is for us to be able to target our audience and establish use cases | 16:02 |
| jamie_h | and then ensuring our SDK meets those user expectations | 16:02 |
| mfer | i think that's useful. the format matters as well. this is very scrum story formatted. | 16:02 |
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| samchoi | jamie_h: I would think that the test suite is primarily for the contributors as I think it's unlikely that many casual users would be too concerned with understanding/reading the entire test suite. | 16:03 |
| samchoi | did you have other people in mind? | 16:03 |
| samchoi | for the audience? | 16:03 |
| jamie_h | samchoi primarily for us. but it's accessible to anyone. we're effectively offering them blueprints of our features | 16:04 |
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| jamie_h | it would serve as our integration suite | 16:04 |
| jamie_h | "make sure feature x works exactly as our users would want it to" | 16:04 |
| jamie_h | "if there's another conceivable use case, test that too" | 16:04 |
| jamie_h | all against the API | 16:04 |
| samchoi | alright thanks for clarifying | 16:05 |
| mfer | jamie_h and our developer users would want to define that in a scrum story? | 16:05 |
| jamie_h | mfer they could look at the use-cases if they wanted to, but it's primarily about us understanding what our users want from our SDK | 16:06 |
| mfer | that's what I'm questioning. particularly after the summit where just about no one like things done for you. they all wanted to write and see code. that's why so many people liked the gophercloud style of acceptance tests | 16:06 |
| jamie_h | we'd have documentation for that | 16:06 |
| mfer | glenc can you make sure the folks on gophercloud know that people liked the style of acceptance tests | 16:06 |
| jamie_h | although i see the appeal of gophercloud's acceptance tests, it doesn't offer anything that good example code or documentation can | 16:07 |
| mfer | jamie_h samchoi i always like comparing things. it helps ideas to pop or not. what would the alternative be? | 16:07 |
| jamie_h | write stand alone scripts that hit the API | 16:07 |
| mfer | jamie_h those acceptance tests are written in a format developers like. Code. That's really really important. | 16:08 |
| mfer | Personally, I'd rather write code than a story any day | 16:08 |
| jamie_h | all acceptance tests will need to be written in code - but the priority is making sure customer use cases are met | 16:08 |
| jamie_h | with a script that gets ambiguous | 16:08 |
| glenc | mfer - I will pass that along | 16:08 |
| mfer | customers are other developers. not management or PMs. that's important here | 16:09 |
| jamie_h | sample code + documentation is what devs will go to | 16:09 |
| mfer | besides devs as customers who else is there? | 16:09 |
| mfer | it's the devs who consume it and the devs who work on it | 16:09 |
| mfer | I question so much because I want anything we do to fit well. | 16:09 |
| samchoi | I would think that's basically it, no? | 16:10 |
| jamie_h | with standalone scripts, you're not testing dev use cases. you're just ensuring that nothing breaks | 16:11 |
| jamie_h | that's my only concern | 16:11 |
| jamie_h | we need to make sure devs are getting what they should | 16:11 |
| jamie_h | shall postpone this until next week when we've had more time to research stuff? | 16:12 |
| samchoi | sure jamie_h | 16:12 |
| mfer | can't you test use cases by writing them? then folks who consume it have example code of exactly how to do that the best way. and if someone has a better way it can be changed? | 16:12 |
| mfer | i think we should postpone this. get to know behat and spend some time focusing on the needs of our audiences. that could be good | 16:13 |
| mfer | are we ready to move on? | 16:14 |
| samchoi | sure | 16:14 |
| jamie_h | yep | 16:14 |
| mfer | #topic Discussion: do we need a "scripts" or "bin" folder at the top level? (jamie_h) | 16:14 |
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| jamie_h | just a general question: what do we anticipate these folders get used for? | 16:14 |
| mfer | I think we can delete these folders. In practice we don't need them and they had been added as part of the pear spec | 16:14 |
| jamie_h | okay | 16:15 |
| jamie_h | just want to keep top-level as light as possible | 16:15 |
| mfer | anyone disagree? | 16:15 |
| samchoi | I'm in favor on anything that simplifies the directory structure...we have plenty of layers already | 16:15 |
| samchoi | favor of* | 16:16 |
| mfer | great | 16:16 |
| mfer | shall we move on to the autoloader discussion? | 16:17 |
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| jamie_h | I have nothing more to add | 16:17 |
| samchoi | sure, go ahead mfer | 16:17 |
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| mfer | #topic Discussion: do we need our own autoloader? Can we rely on Composer's instead? (jamie_h) | 16:18 |
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| jamie_h | realistically - do we need our own autoloader class? | 16:18 |
| mfer | i don't think so. we should just document using it with another autoloader. | 16:19 |
| glenc | +1 | 16:19 |
| jamie_h | +1 | 16:19 |
| jamie_h | for everyone's interest, ZF3 might be doing this too: https://github.com/zendframework/zf2/issues/6285 | 16:20 |
| jamie_h | plus, IDK how our autoloader handles dependencies like guzzle | 16:20 |
| mfer | likely doesn't | 16:21 |
| mfer | lets delete it | 16:21 |
| mfer | i'm happy to take that on too | 16:21 |
| mfer | ok, i think that's everything on the agenda | 16:21 |
| mfer | #topic Open Discussion | 16:21 |
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| mfer | who wants to talk about what | 16:21 |
| mfer | ? | 16:22 |
| samchoi | I didn't want to slow us down before, but did anyone have any reasons why PHP-VCR couldn't be used to supplement our test suite? | 16:22 |
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| samchoi | If not, I'm interested in seeing how well it'd work for our purposes | 16:23 |
| jamie_h | from my perspective, we need two types of tests: unit tests (which are isolated, thus don't need VCR) and acceptance/integration tests | 16:23 |
| samchoi | since it'd simply speed up our HTTP requests and doesn't seem to have a drawback | 16:23 |
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| jamie_h | IDK whether VCR will help us with acceptance tests because we need a real API response to judge whether our feature works | 16:23 |
| samchoi | Well yes, it's definitely not for unit tests. Why not use it for other tests though? I could reach out to the Ruby guys again, but they've had great success with it | 16:24 |
| jamie_h | don't get me wrong - I really really like VCR and have used it before. I just don't know whether it helps us | 16:24 |
| jamie_h | samchoi sure okay | 16:24 |
| mfer | we need to get setup on the openstack infra for testing. VCR might help to speed up local testing but we should hit a real API | 16:24 |
| jamie_h | if we all think we need to hit a real API for acceptance tests, not sure that VCR is the tool for us | 16:24 |
| mfer | when reviews go into gerrit the tests should be automated against a real api. we can do this i'm told | 16:25 |
| samchoi | hmm I'll follow up on this | 16:25 |
| samchoi | I'd assume others are just creating new VCR cassettes after a set period | 16:26 |
| jamie_h | with VCR you can refresh cassettes by overriding their content with a new API hit, I think | 16:26 |
| jamie_h | mfer would we have control over which tests to run when a patch enters gerrit? like travis | 16:27 |
| mfer | i belive we have that control | 16:27 |
| jamie_h | awesome | 16:27 |
| jamie_h | that can't come soon enough IMO :) | 16:28 |
| mfer | we'd have any control we'd have anywhere else because we'd script what gets run | 16:28 |
| mfer | we have two minutes left. anything else before we wrap this up for the next group? | 16:29 |
| glenc | not from me | 16:30 |
| mfer | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 16:30:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-06-04-15.30.html | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-06-04-15.30.txt | 16:30 |
| mfer | have a good one y'all | 16:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-06-04-15.30.log.html | 16:30 |
| samchoi | that's a first, we're wrapping up on time :) | 16:30 |
| glenc | y'all have a good week | 16:30 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting NovaBugScrub | 16:30 |
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| tjones | hi - anyone here today? | 16:31 |
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| mestery | Hi folks! | 17:30 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam won't be around to run the services meeting today, so he asked me to do that. | 17:30 |
| s3wong | mestery: hello, are you chairing the adv-service meeting today? | 17:30 |
| banix | mestery: hi | 17:30 |
| mestery | s3wong banix: Yes! | 17:30 |
| pgpus | Good to see you Kyle | 17:30 |
| banix | s3wong: hi | 17:30 |
| mestery | I'll wait until we get quorum here. | 17:30 |
| s3wong | banix: hello | 17:30 |
| banix | hi everybody | 17:30 |
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| mestery | Looks like we may have it. :) | 17:30 |
| mestery | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 4 17:30:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/AdvancedServices Agenda | 17:31 |
| rkukura | hi | 17:31 |
| mestery | So, SumitNaiksatam can't be with us today, he asked me to run this. | 17:31 |
| mestery | I'd mainly like to go over the BP reviews/approval process, per SumitNaiksatam's request. | 17:31 |
| s3wong | mestery: OK | 17:31 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/AdvancedServices/JunoPlan | 17:32 |
| mestery | OK, so shall we walk through the JunoPlan here? | 17:32 |
| s3wong | mestery: sure | 17:32 |
| vinay_yadhav | ok | 17:32 |
| cgoncalves | hi! | 17:32 |
| banix | yeah | 17:32 |
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| mestery | OK, so lets just start at the top. | 17:32 |
| mestery | The over-arching BP was approved already. | 17:32 |
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| mestery | The next one on the list is flavor framework. | 17:33 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Are you around? | 17:33 |
| banix | so this one has been under review for a long time | 17:33 |
| mestery | Yes, there were some issues which markmcclain had wiht htis one if I recall. | 17:33 |
| mestery | There is a ML thread as well I believe from enikanorov. | 17:33 |
| banix | mestery: yes | 17:33 |
| mestery | We need to close on this one ASAP I believe. | 17:33 |
| mestery | #action enikanorov to re-post ML thread. | 17:34 |
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| mestery | #action mestery to bringup flavor framework discussion at Neutron meeting on Monday. | 17:34 |
| mestery | Anything else with flavor framework? | 17:34 |
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| s3wong | no | 17:34 |
| enikanorov | mestery: sorry, i'm late | 17:34 |
| mestery | OK, cool, | 17:34 |
| mestery | Next one is service insertion. | 17:35 |
| mestery | This one has gone through many iterations as well. | 17:35 |
| enikanorov | so i think it makes sense to limit initial implementation to those aspects that don't involve integration with services | 17:35 |
| s3wong | mestery: well, since enikanorov is here, does he have anything else to say about flavor framework? | 17:35 |
| enikanorov | so the question posted to ML could be addressed later | 17:35 |
| mestery | enikanorov: for flavor framework? | 17:35 |
| enikanorov | yes | 17:35 |
| pgpus | Servicde Insertion I did not find any sharing of a given service, any comments? | 17:35 |
| mestery | enikanorov: OK, got it. | 17:35 |
| enikanorov | i'm planning to have implementation at ~J-1 time so we could spend J-2 reviewing and hopefully merge it by J-02 | 17:36 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Perfect! | 17:36 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: J-1 is next week, right? :-) | 17:36 |
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| enikanorov | s3wong: right, but flavors API is no big deal IMO | 17:36 |
| enikanorov | still hoping to get whole patch < 1k lines | 17:36 |
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| s3wong | enikanorov: that's including STF, which is still part of flavor, right? | 17:37 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Cool! | 17:37 |
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| pgpus | I have added mysellf to service Insertion and will see what I can contribute after review | 17:37 |
| enikanorov | that's probably it from my side | 17:37 |
| enikanorov | feel free to approve flavor framework bp | 17:37 |
| enikanorov | :) | 17:38 |
| banix | enikanorov: done! | 17:38 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Ha! I will review it again this afternoon. | 17:38 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Thanks! | 17:38 |
| mestery | OK, so service insertion now. | 17:38 |
| mestery | This one is also looking like it's ready for some core reviewer and approval love I think. | 17:38 |
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| s3wong | mestery: OK, since kanzhe and kevinbenton aren't here, I will take this one | 17:38 |
| mestery | s3wong: thanks! | 17:38 |
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| s3wong | mestery: yes, I have been advertising it everywhere, so it is now waiting for cores to look at, if they have time | 17:39 |
| banix | this one has not received many reviews outside the advanced service sub team | 17:39 |
| s3wong | as kanzhe talked about last week, the division of tasks between kanzhe, kevinbenton and me were decided | 17:39 |
| pgpus | Does the Service Insertion bp require any reveiw or is it approved? | 17:40 |
| mestery | OK, perfect! | 17:40 |
| s3wong | and I believe kanzhe and kevinbenton are currently working on API and db | 17:40 |
| mestery | pgpus: It's not approved yet, reviews welcome. | 17:40 |
| SridarK | s3wong: so first target will be fwaas - no change correct ? | 17:40 |
| s3wong | SridarK: FWaaS is the natural first, the tough one is LBaaS | 17:40 |
| SridarK | s3wong: :-) | 17:40 |
| pgpus | ok did one pass and will do another to make sure it meets J-1 time farme deliveries | 17:40 |
| mestery | s3wong: Lets see if we can get this integrated before LBaaS departs Neutron. ;) | 17:41 |
| mestery | pgpus: J-1 is next week, none of this is targeted for J-1 | 17:41 |
| s3wong | and luckiy and forunately, LBaaS is going through model change at J-2, so we can work with their db migration naturally | 17:41 |
| mestery | This is all J-2 and beyond at this point. :) | 17:41 |
| s3wong | on the right time :-) | 17:41 |
| SridarK | mestery: without this no one can go anywhere :-) | 17:41 |
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| pgpus | Has anyone looked at ServiceBase class definitions? | 17:41 |
| pgpus | or is it wating for Data Models? | 17:42 |
| s3wong | pgpus: I deifned it, please look into it and see if it fits into your expectation :-) | 17:42 |
| banix | regXboi: Any comments wrt the service insertion beyond your comments on the review system? | 17:42 |
| regXboi | banix: sorry for being late - no - I need to re-read the new patch | 17:43 |
| pgpus | Thanks s3wong | 17:43 |
| banix | regXboi: just noticed you joined; thats the topic being discussed | 17:43 |
| banix | s3wong: what are you referring to? in the service insertion spec? | 17:43 |
| regXboi | I read through all the BPs on the status page as of Sunday and added comments where I had them - haven't had a chance to follow up on all of them since | 17:43 |
| pgpus | will we cover more than l2, l3 insertion in j-1 | 17:44 |
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| s3wong | banix: regarding love outside of adv serv. subteam, what we really want is people from LBaaS (no one), FWaaS ( SridarK ) and VPNaaS ( nachi_ueno ) | 17:44 |
| mestery | pgpus: Again, none of this work is being done for J-1, the specs are targeted to be approved by J-1. | 17:44 |
| pgpus | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93128/9/specs/juno/service-base-and-insertion.rst | 17:44 |
| mestery | pgpus: J-1 is next week, it may be cut Tuesday, but as late as Thursday. :) | 17:44 |
| banix | s3wong: speak of love got me confised for a second :) | 17:44 |
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| s3wong | banix: no love so far :-( | 17:45 |
| regXboi | actually, banix, I'm worng | 17:45 |
| regXboi | I did read through the new SI draft | 17:45 |
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| mestery | s3wong: I'm from the LBaaS team, I'll review in more detail and spread the word with the broader team. | 17:45 |
| pgpus | ok atleast lets get bp clerared for coding on service insertion | 17:45 |
| regXboi | and I still want some text on equating service port and service attachment point | 17:45 |
| s3wong | mestery: cool, but you are everywhere, so I don't know if it counts :-) | 17:45 |
| regXboi | because if I read it as someone from outside, the equivalency isn't obvious | 17:45 |
| mestery | s3wong: :P | 17:45 |
| s3wong | mestery: but we do need your approval eventually for sure :-) | 17:46 |
| banix | regXboi: agree; that should be easily addressed | 17:46 |
| SridarK | s3wong: i am on board - have had many discussions with u and kanzhe - will put my +1 soon - just minor things i am trying to work out | 17:46 |
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| s3wong | SridarK: cool, We can talk more if you want (even f2f) | 17:47 |
| SridarK | s3wong: sure thanks | 17:47 |
| mestery | OK, should we move on to traffic steering now? | 17:47 |
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| pgpus | Integration with devstack, heat and other modules for service insertion is bit unclear and does anyone have any clue on that? | 17:47 |
| s3wong | mestery: sure, I have nothing else to say :-) | 17:47 |
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| mestery | pgpus: There are people signed up for some of those, but I don't see devstack under that project at all. | 17:48 |
| pgpus | or we leave the impact to later time frames? | 17:48 |
| s3wong | pgpus: not yet, though Louis volunteered for Heat | 17:48 |
| s3wong | and kanzhe , kevinbenton , and I will likely include devstack work as part of our ongoing development and testing | 17:49 |
| pgpus | Good atleast Heat as Orchestartion tools and template of Service will help us give some idea | 17:49 |
| banix | s3wong: need to add devstack to the tables | 17:49 |
| s3wong | pgpus: however, if you want to volunteer to join in, we welcome you :-) | 17:49 |
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| s3wong | banix: yes | 17:49 |
| pgpus | May I can look into devstack and add my comments to bp | 17:50 |
| banix | s3wong: thanks | 17:50 |
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| s3wong | pgpus: of course. Thanks! | 17:50 |
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| mestery | OK, on to traffic steering. | 17:51 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: This is your area I believe. | 17:51 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: indeed | 17:51 |
| pgpus | devstack will need nova / neutron config changes for service creation by few params possibly will verify by flow one time | 17:51 |
| cgoncalves | since last week we addressed some comments and submitted a new patchset | 17:51 |
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| cgoncalves | we are in need of more reviewers I believe | 17:51 |
| s3wong | pgpus: OK | 17:51 |
| pgpus | Ok we move to traffic steering | 17:51 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: OK, good to know! | 17:51 |
| mestery | #info Traffic Steering BP is in need of more reviewers | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: will review | 17:52 |
| cgoncalves | and I apologise for the late patchset | 17:52 |
| cgoncalves | s3wong: thanks | 17:52 |
| regXboi | mestery: I plan on reading | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: though I am still hoping that traffic steering will take advantage on the connectivity map that we are going to store in ServiceBase objects | 17:52 |
| mestery | s3wong regXboi: Thanks! | 17:52 |
| shivharis | cgoncalves: link? | 17:52 |
| cgoncalves | traffic steering can play a significant role in the new openstack nfv sub-team vision | 17:52 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92477 | 17:53 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: tks | 17:53 |
| shivharis | mestery: thx | 17:53 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: yes, I noticed your participation during the NFV meeting this morning | 17:53 |
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| cgoncalves | also, I have not nominated myself to all items that are in the wiki | 17:54 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: there are others in your team as well, right? | 17:54 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: OK, can you remove yourself where appropriate? | 17:54 |
| cgoncalves | so I look forward for volunteers wanting to help me on heat, horizon, etc | 17:54 |
| pgpus | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/traffic-steering-abstraction | 17:54 |
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| cgoncalves | mestery: ok | 17:55 |
| cgoncalves | s3wong: yes, but not directly involved in openstack | 17:55 |
| cgoncalves | s3wong: jsoares is collaborating with me on the proposal though | 17:55 |
| pgpus | looks like port to port traffic forwarding is involved and will help service chaining is it states | 17:55 |
| cgoncalves | pgpus: yes | 17:56 |
| banix | s3wong: have a pointer to the nfv meeting wiki? | 17:56 |
| mandeep | pgpus: Correct | 17:56 |
| cgoncalves | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV | 17:56 |
| cgoncalves | banix: ^ | 17:56 |
| banix | cgoncalves: thx | 17:56 |
| s3wong | banix: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV | 17:56 |
| banix | s3wong: thx | 17:56 |
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| pgpus | Are we using ovs flolw control to steer traffic and does it mean control plane data plane seperation as sdn/nfv here? | 17:57 |
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| cgoncalves | on the implementation side I have still some concerns, but probably are out of scope for now | 17:57 |
| pgpus | Sure I will lookinto nfv meetings and join that besides here | 17:57 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else on traffic steering or should we move onto the service chaining BP? | 17:58 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: I think I've nothing more to add for now. thanks | 17:58 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: Thanks! | 17:59 |
| mestery | mandeep: I believe Service Chaining is your BP? | 17:59 |
| mandeep | mestery: Correct | 17:59 |
| mestery | How is the review going for this one? | 18:00 |
| mandeep | The status is: | 18:00 |
| pgpus | I am still not sure what's the assumption here , do we steer traffic first or chain the phyiscal pipe (logical pipe ) first, as what preceeds what, chaining or steering? | 18:00 |
| mandeep | 1. A use-case needs to be added to the BP, that is still pending | 18:00 |
| mandeep | 2. I just updated the plan and I am targeting J1 for BP approval and J3 for code in neutron/CLI | 18:00 |
| pgpus | OK mandeep that's a good point to start | 18:00 |
| pgpus | for which one steering or chaining you mean? | 18:01 |
| mandeep | 3. I still need to identify volunteers for Heat/Horizon/Devstack - TBD | 18:01 |
| mandeep | mestery: That is all | 18:01 |
| mandeep | pgpus: Chaining | 18:01 |
| mestery | mandeep: thanks! | 18:01 |
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| mestery | mandeep: I had one comment in the latest review around creating a separate launchpad BP for this one as well so we can track it with LP milestones. | 18:02 |
| mestery | mandeep: I added it in the review. | 18:02 |
| mandeep | OK, will do. | 18:02 |
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| pgpus | devstack for neutron service shaining you mean mandeep, may be let me review it for you | 18:02 |
| regXboi | I'm still concerned about the non-sunny day | 18:02 |
| mandeep | pgpus: Sure | 18:02 |
| mestery | regXboi: I saw your concerns as well | 18:02 |
| mandeep | regXboi: non-sunny day? | 18:03 |
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| regXboi | what happens in re notifications if something goes wrong | 18:03 |
| regXboi | the statement "1. All updates to service-chain resources need to be relayed to the configured service-chain-providers" | 18:03 |
| regXboi | needs clarification around what happens if the relay fails | 18:03 |
| s3wong | regXboi: somethig goes wrong meaning something within the chain going down? | 18:03 |
| mandeep | regXboi: I am hoping that is where an infrastructure like group-policy can hep | 18:03 |
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| regXboi | mandeep: I think you should identify that dependency in the text then | 18:04 |
| mandeep | regXboi: Got it. That is a function call, not a message, | 18:04 |
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| mandeep | regXboi: Good point. I will add that | 18:05 |
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| pgpus | Are we looing Infra GP and Service GP as layered GP for Endpoints involved? | 18:05 |
| regXboi | mandeep: ah, I read the text as a message, not an rpc | 18:05 |
| s3wong | pgpus: by service GP do you mean an EPG wrapping a service? | 18:05 |
| regXboi | in general though, I'm going to be thinking about the "how do we handle something not working" aspect | 18:05 |
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| mandeep | regXboi: So ignore my comment on GP, that was in a generic sense - not for this specific interaction | 18:05 |
| pgpus | Sure that is Group Policy within Group Policy hierarcy that was demoed by Sumit's team and had some codes in github I believe | 18:05 |
| regXboi | mandeep: got it | 18:06 |
| s3wong | pgpus: that is hierarchical contracts, which is division more between infra owner and app owner (roles) | 18:06 |
| pgpus | OK lets move on ignore GP for now | 18:06 |
| regXboi | but I will followup with the "fixup" concept on 175 needs some thought about what do we do if a servicechaininstance can't be "fixed up" | 18:06 |
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| cgoncalves | regXboi: it should also be of interest for this spec to know what are ODL plans on this as I see there is a Service Function Chaining proposal there and you're somehow involved :-) | 18:06 |
| cgoncalves | #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Service_function_chaining | 18:07 |
| pgpus | Service failure is diff from Infra failure so will need some thinking and borrow some ideas from service VM or wherever | 18:07 |
| regXboi | cgoncalves: guilty as charged - I'm not 100% sure yet - I'm only peripherally involved at this point | 18:07 |
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| mestery | regXboi: You are involved in more than I am I believe. ;) | 18:07 |
| regXboi | cgoncalves: I'll have a better idea when I have a chance to dig through the proposed yang models | 18:08 |
| mandeep | pgpus: My comment was that in general, your "actual" can deviate from "expected" and there needs to be a way to recover to the "expected" state, anf group-policy allows a clean way to achieve that. | 18:08 |
| cgoncalves | mestery: jealous? hehe | 18:08 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: Ha! | 18:08 |
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| regXboi | mandeep: that's a very good thing to say in the BP I think | 18:08 |
| regXboi | because it takes care of a lot of my budding concerns :) | 18:08 |
| mandeep | regXboi: Yes, I will add that. | 18:08 |
| regXboi | mandeep: thx | 18:09 |
| pgpus | Is Service chaing tied to ODL or is it generic ? this links shows ODL way? | 18:09 |
| cgoncalves | regXboi: ok, thanks. I'd also like to get a peek on ODL's work on this matter. anyway... i'm offtopic-ing, sorry | 18:09 |
| s3wong | pgpus: I certainly hope we don't have to tie it to the ODL project | 18:09 |
| regXboi | cgoncalves: there is a patch spec in ODL gerrit right now... | 18:09 |
| regXboi | will pm it to you | 18:09 |
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| mandeep | pgpus: As defined, it is designed to independent of any specific backend/provider | 18:10 |
| regXboi | mandeep: +1 | 18:10 |
| banix | yeah lets not mix in the group policy here | 18:10 |
| banix | this is more generic as mandeep said | 18:10 |
| mestery | OK, 20 minutes left and 2 BPs to go. | 18:10 |
| * mestery thinks we have a chance at completing these. | 18:11 | |
| s3wong | banix: yes, a service chain can be implemented by GBP | 18:11 |
| mandeep | banix: Agreed | 18:11 |
| pgpus | That is welcome, so the focus is stitching service and default is OVS for underlay and for overlay we need Group or Chain policy | 18:11 |
| regXboi | mestery: don't say that - murphy will hear! | 18:11 |
| mestery | regXboi: hehehehe | 18:11 |
| mandeep | regXboi: ;-) | 18:11 |
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| mestery | OK, moving on to L3 agent consolidation. | 18:12 |
| pgpus | Looks this needs more detail look into bp, will try cover this offline, but what's the last date for approval on this one? | 18:12 |
| pgpus | Could be per Service Chaining policy | 18:14 |
| regXboi | pgpus: +1 | 18:14 |
| pgpus | add to that per Tenant | 18:14 |
| mestery | Does anyone know the IRC nick of hte L3 agent consolidation author? | 18:14 |
| mestery | Looks like it's iwamoto, who likely is sleeping right now. :) | 18:15 |
| s3wong | yes | 18:15 |
| mestery | I have some serious concerns with this BP, adding comments now. | 18:15 |
| mandeep | pgpus: Please go ahead and add review comments, it is more important that we get it right. | 18:15 |
| regXboi | mestery: join the club, we've got jackets? | 18:16 |
| pgpus | Ok madeep will do that | 18:16 |
| mestery | regXboi: :) | 18:16 |
| mestery | Anyways, lets move on to the last one, and my personal "favorite named BP of all time": Tap as a Service. | 18:16 |
| vinay_yadhav | :) | 18:16 |
| * regXboi hears trumpets in the background | 18:16 | |
| s3wong | it is on Tap!!! | 18:16 |
| vinay_yadhav | good one | 18:17 |
| regXboi | I haven't had a chance to read the new patchset | 18:17 |
| vinay_yadhav | well reviews are on and we are refining it each patch set | 18:17 |
| vinay_yadhav | targeting juno 2 for spec as well as neutron code | 18:18 |
| regXboi | understood I'm just saying I commented on ps 3 and haven't had a chance to re-read ps 4 | 18:18 |
| mestery | vinay_yadhav: Cool, thanks! I haven't reviewed this one yet either. | 18:18 |
| regXboi | so I still owe a re-read | 18:18 |
| mestery | regXboi: Get on that man! ;) | 18:18 |
| vinay_yadhav | regXboi: i got it :) | 18:18 |
| cgoncalves | vinay_yadhav: great work on quickly addressing reviewers' comments! | 18:18 |
| regXboi | mestrey: right behind you :) | 18:18 |
| pgpus | where is the link for tap, I see virtualResource one did I miss tap one? | 18:18 |
| regXboi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149/ | 18:18 |
| anil_rao | Did not see any major concerns | 18:19 |
| regXboi | so, one thing that jumps out at me | 18:19 |
| pgpus | is this tp mirroring intended for HA or reslliance to service? | 18:19 |
| regXboi | who can create a tap service? | 18:19 |
| vinay_yadhav | i will start a dev thread soon as sumit suggested | 18:19 |
| vinay_yadhav | tenant can create the service instance | 18:19 |
| pgpus | tap mirroring on tap iterface of VM? | 18:20 |
| vinay_yadhav | the work flow for using the service is described in short in the spec | 18:20 |
| anil_rao | Several use cases are documented - debugging and more importantly traffic monitoring/visiblity for security and analytics | 18:20 |
| s3wong | vinay_yadhav: and admin can redirect traffic flow to it if they use GBP :-) | 18:20 |
| s3wong | then we can rename this NSA-as-a-Service | 18:20 |
| vinay_yadhav | haha sure :) | 18:21 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Or the copy action for GBP can use the tap service ;-) | 18:21 |
| regXboi | so... how does this interact with shared networks? | 18:21 |
| vinay_yadhav | pgpus: we mirror the traffic transiting the port in the VSwitch | 18:21 |
| pgpus | I see good use cases for port mirroring on neutron a good one need to study this , but what's security risk on this , any thoughts? | 18:21 |
| s3wong | mandeep: yes, forgot about that, sorry :-( | 18:21 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Nothing to be sorry about, another option! | 18:22 |
| anil_rao | We have documented the security aspects in the spec. We try to honor the existing Security Group policies . | 18:22 |
| pgpus | What if some spurious process redirects the traffic will it not cause serious attack or compromise on the service? | 18:22 |
| regXboi | anil_rao: you've identified the security aspects at the traffic/port level | 18:23 |
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| regXboi | anil_rao: I'm asking the administrative/tenant level | 18:23 |
| anil_rao | the service can be initiated by a tenant owner and its scope is restricted to that tenant. | 18:23 |
| vinay_yadhav | regXboi: do u mean tenant misbehaving | 18:23 |
| regXboi | vinay_yadhav: I'm thinking if I have a shared network and the tenant of the network can tap any port on that network, that might be an issue | 18:24 |
| s3wong | regXboi: you want admin to have the ability to remove a tap from tenant? | 18:24 |
| pgpus | well secuirty is wast bust aslong it covers for the said use case we should be OK | 18:24 |
| regXboi | s3wong: I'm starting to think *only* admin can set up TaaS | 18:24 |
| mestery | regXboi: Have you expressed these concerns in the BP review? If not, please do. | 18:24 |
| anil_rao | we would like a tenant on say a public cloud to be able to initiate traffic monitoring for his/her tenat. Ideally without cloud admin intervention. | 18:25 |
| regXboi | mestery: will do - honestly, I only started thinking of them just now | 18:25 |
| mestery | Why would a non-admin need to setup TaaS? | 18:25 |
| vinay_yadhav | regXboi: need to think on the acpects of shared networks | 18:25 |
| banix | regXboi: i think even that may have unwanted implications | 18:25 |
| vinay_yadhav | anil_rao: agree | 18:25 |
| regXboi | vinay_yadhav: I'll craft some comment text for the security impact section | 18:25 |
| vinay_yadhav | sure thanx | 18:25 |
| anil_rao | The scope of the Tap is limited to the tenant that initated the service, so I believe it should be okay. | 18:25 |
| s3wong | regXboi: please do | 18:26 |
| s3wong | anil_rao: only on the tenant's own vport, right? | 18:26 |
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| banix | anil_rao: which may be more reasonable than allowing the admin to do so | 18:26 |
| s3wong | stuff like external port is something tenants can't tap | 18:26 |
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| anil_rao | Yes, that is correct. The ports in question must belong to the tenant | 18:27 |
| vinay_yadhav | s3wong: yes only on tenants vports | 18:27 |
| mestery | 3 minutes left folks, I think we should start wrapping this up now. | 18:27 |
| mestery | I propose this discussion move to the BP at this point. | 18:27 |
| mestery | It seems serious enough to warrant some thought, per regXboi. | 18:27 |
| regXboi | anil_rao: aha! let me see if I find that text | 18:27 |
| s3wong | mestery: sure | 18:27 |
| pgpus | I believe port redirection is important for VM agents to Hypervisopr Agents communication and hence this should get priority irrespective of security which will evolve overtime | 18:27 |
| anil_rao | Vinay and I will make sure to update the spec with some additional detail | 18:27 |
| vinay_yadhav | sure | 18:27 |
| regXboi | anil_rao: ok, I found that text | 18:28 |
| mestery | pgpus: I'm not following that comment at all. | 18:28 |
| regXboi | but I still need to think through shared networks | 18:28 |
| regXboi | pgpus: er?!?!?! | 18:28 |
| mestery | regXboi: It's not just me at least. | 18:28 |
| regXboi | mestery: no, I want an explanation before I say -1 | 18:28 |
| mestery | Agreed, but with 1 minute left, not sure we'll get there. :) | 18:29 |
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| mestery | OK, lets wrap this up for this week. | 18:29 |
| regXboi | yes - let's go BP on this one | 18:29 |
| mestery | I think we're all focused on BP review at this point. | 18:29 |
| vinay_yadhav | regXboi: Can you please leave your comment on the spec | 18:29 |
| pgpus | tenant isolation is different but network sharing yes from that perspeactive, logical noverlays are allocated to tennat can be restricted to tenant to avoid security risks for those tenents who desire it | 18:29 |
| regXboi | vinay_yadhav: yes | 18:29 |
| banix | bye all | 18:29 |
| mestery | Please keep the momentum up, and I'll see if we can focus some attention on service BPs at the Neutron meeting on MOnday. | 18:29 |
| mestery | Thanks! | 18:29 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:29 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 18:29:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-04-17.30.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-04-17.30.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-04-17.30.log.html | 18:29 |
| anil_rao | Thanks | 18:29 |
| vinay_yadhav | bye | 18:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | thanx | 18:30 |
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| beyounn1 | Sridar, are you there? | 18:30 |
| SridarK | Hi beyounn1 | 18:30 |
| regXboi | all: I didn't get a chance to put in minutes | 18:30 |
| regXboi | but I will leave comments in review on 6/10 | 18:30 |
| regXboi | I'm ooo 6/11-6/16 (needed pto) | 18:30 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: gduan and others also cannot make the mtg today | 18:30 |
| beyounn1 | I know, Gary is on traveling | 18:31 |
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| beyounn1 | SridarK, I think we only need to get review moving | 18:31 |
| SridarK | if Karthik and any one else interested in FWaaS we can have the mtg - Sumit asked me to run in case we have a quorum | 18:31 |
| beyounn1 | Sridark: Ok | 18:32 |
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| SridarK | beyounn1: yes - thanks for addressing my comments - i am good - just want to make sure we are all ok on the 1:1 mapping btwn serv obj and serv grp | 18:32 |
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| beyounn1 | SridarK: Yes, it is 1:1 | 18:32 |
| beyounn1 | SridarK: BTW-- do you know who should look at code review if we are fixing Horizon FWaaS bug? | 18:33 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: just want to make sure that we are not locked into that - so we are good | 18:33 |
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| SridarK | beyounn1: i was going to reach out to some Horizon folks in our team to see if then can comment | 18:33 |
| beyounn1 | SridarK, I mentioned in the BP, 1:1 is only for simplicity, we can add M:N later | 18:34 |
| beyounn1 | SridarK, great!!, we have one customer is waiting on the fix :-) | 18:35 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: yes hopefully that will not get us into a backward compat issue - once we clarify we are good | 18:35 |
| SridarK | then we can get some core attention | 18:35 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: ok | 18:35 |
| beyounn1 | SridarK, for the backward compat, I think what we need to open up later is to change "service_group" to "service_groups" in the service object | 18:36 |
| beyounn1 | How can we get core attention? | 18:36 |
| beyounn1 | Show I bring this the mestry? | 18:36 |
| beyounn1 | s/mestry/mestery/ | 18:37 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: - Since Gary and i have reviewed once Sumit is back we can get this | 18:37 |
| beyounn1 | No, I was talking about Horizon bug | 18:37 |
| beyounn1 | Since you mentioned "core attention" on the horizon bug | 18:38 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: ok - let me ask our Horizon guy and get back | 18:38 |
| beyounn1 | Great!! | 18:38 |
| beyounn1 | and Thanks!! | 18:38 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: i was talking abt BP's | 18:38 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:38 |
| beyounn1 | Understood | 18:38 |
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| beyounn1 | Ok, it seems that only you and me are here | 18:39 |
| SridarK | the plan was to have mestery attend so we can clarify on priorities - we can punt that to next week when sumit is back | 18:39 |
| beyounn1 | That is better | 18:39 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:40 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: yes if nothing else - since no one is around today - we can wrap and get back to usual schedule next week | 18:40 |
| beyounn1 | Hi | 18:40 |
| beyounn1 | SridarK, btw-- we have a new member badveli | 18:40 |
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| beyounn1 | He will also work on FWaaS | 18:40 |
| badveli | hello sridar | 18:40 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: oh ok did not realize ok great | 18:41 |
| badveli | thanks beyounn1 | 18:41 |
| beyounn1 | He may take on my current service group works | 18:41 |
| SridarK | hi badveli | 18:41 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:41 |
| badveli | hello sridar | 18:41 |
| badveli | nice to meet you | 18:41 |
| beyounn1 | OK, I think we can wrap it up early then | 18:42 |
| SridarK | badveli: in addition to gduan & beyounn1 - pls feel free to reach out if any questions | 18:42 |
| SridarK | beyounn1: yes lets do that | 18:42 |
| badveli | thanks sridar | 18:42 |
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| SridarK | ok then next week | 18:42 |
| beyounn1 | Ok, have a good day guys | 18:42 |
| SridarK | bye | 18:42 |
| beyounn1 | Bye | 18:42 |
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| badveli | have a good day and nice to talk to you, thanks | 18:43 |
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