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| danpb | #startmeeting libvirt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 15 15:02:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is danpb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'libvirt' | 15:02 |
| ndipanov | \o | 15:02 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:02 |
| sew | o/ | 15:03 |
| nelsnelson | o/ | 15:03 |
| danpb | ....no agenda so... | 15:03 |
| danpb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:03 | |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:03 |
| thomasem | Who here is going to the minisummit? | 15:04 |
| apmelton | I'll be there | 15:05 |
| danpb | you mean the Nova mid-cycle meetup ? | 15:05 |
| thomasem | yeah | 15:05 |
| s1rp_ | ill be there | 15:05 |
| danpb | afraid I won't be there - clashes with my holiday | 15:05 |
| ndipanov | I am sadly giving it a miss this time | 15:05 |
| thomasem | Ahhhh gotcha | 15:05 |
| ndipanov | another conf just before that | 15:05 |
| thomasem | Okey dokey | 15:05 |
| thomasem | I'm going to be there too | 15:06 |
| thomasem | Want to discuss that review, s1rp_? | 15:06 |
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| s1rp_ | sure, so the idea is that we want to add config-drive support to lxc guests | 15:07 |
| s1rp_ | but config-drive as it is in trunk only exposes block-devices | 15:07 |
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| s1rp_ | so this patch adds a new backend type called `fs` which just drops the configdrive info into a directory on the host | 15:07 |
| danpb | right yes, i think we discussed in the past doing a bind mount of a filesystem | 15:08 |
| danpb | yes | 15:08 |
| s1rp_ | from there, we copy it into the rootfs to aboid a bind mount | 15:08 |
| s1rp_ | we avoid a bindmount because there were recent security issues with it | 15:08 |
| danpb | well when i say bind mount, i don't mean nova doing a bind mount | 15:08 |
| danpb | i mean just add a <filesystem> element to libvirt XML for it | 15:08 |
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| danpb | and let libvirt figure out the bind mount setup it wants todo | 15:09 |
| danpb | in fact you would not actually need to neccessarily change nova config drive support | 15:09 |
| s1rp_ | right, but bind-mounts were recently shown to be hackable, the kernel datastructure allowed you to traverse to the root of the bind-mounted filesystem | 15:09 |
| danpb | you could let nova continue to create a FAT or ISO image | 15:09 |
| s1rp_ | so we wanted to avoid that entirely | 15:09 |
| danpb | and then libvirt would just mount the image in the container | 15:10 |
| danpb | s1rp_: do you hve a link for that problem | 15:10 |
| danpb | s1rp_: basically everything about the way LXC is setup involves bind mounts | 15:10 |
| danpb | so config drive use of bind mounts is the least of your worries if that's got a flaw | 15:10 |
| apmelton | danpb: it's based on this: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/565 | 15:11 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: yeah ill try and dig that up... was on HN a few weeks ago... apmelton thomasem happen to remember where we saw that | 15:11 |
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| danpb | oh that one | 15:11 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: userns insulate you from this problem, but we wanted to be extra careful | 15:11 |
| danpb | that's a docker flaw due to lack of userns | 15:11 |
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| danpb | if you don't use userns then you must *not* give out capabilities to the container if you want to be secure | 15:11 |
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| danpb | thats not a bind mount flaw | 15:12 |
| danpb | so i don't think that's any reason to avoid use of bind mounts for config drive | 15:12 |
| apmelton | using bind mount can also expose details about the host | 15:12 |
| sew | so in general, we'd like to shrink the attack surface of lxc containers by not exposing underlying host resources | 15:12 |
| danpb | we already document that LXC in Nova is considered insecure (untill we have the userns feature done) | 15:12 |
| apmelton | for instance if we're bind mounting from those hosts root filesystem, details like capacity are exposed to the container | 15:13 |
| s1rp_ | apmelton: yeah good point, that was another issue with it | 15:13 |
| danpb | ok, so that's a more reasonable argument | 15:13 |
| danpb | so if that's a concern then instead of introducing a new configdrive type = fs, just use the existing type=iso or type=fat | 15:14 |
| danpb | and we can just loopback mount the config drive image in the container | 15:14 |
| danpb | at a well known location of /config or some such | 15:14 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: isn't that more moving parts? | 15:14 |
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| danpb | that'd have the advantage that we'd not have so much difference between lxc & non-lxc setup from nova's pov | 15:15 |
| apmelton | danpb: does that expose the iso as a device, or as a filesystem? | 15:15 |
| s1rp_ | configdrive already creates a temp-direcotry and then moves that into the blockdev... the proposed lxc approach just 'blesses' that temp directory into a real directory on the host | 15:15 |
| s1rp_ | then we move that into rootfs | 15:15 |
| danpb | apmelton: if you use <filesystem type=file> then you provide a file containing a filesystem which gets mounted at the desire place | 15:16 |
| danpb | apmelton: so the container would see the filesystem, just as it would if you'd done a bind mount but without exposing host FS | 15:16 |
| apmelton | ah so we'd do <filesystem type=iso>? | 15:17 |
| danpb | s1rp_: you'd have to keep that temp directory around forever though now | 15:17 |
| danpb | s1rp_: so it introduces extra cleanup that has to happen for LXC | 15:17 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: how come, it just gets moved into rootfs and we can forget about it | 15:17 |
| danpb | apmelton: no just type=file, libvirt should auto-detect the format and mount it | 15:17 |
| apmelton | ah cool | 15:17 |
| thomasem | did not know that | 15:18 |
| danpb | s1rp_: oh hmm, you're actually moving the dirctory | 15:18 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: yep | 15:18 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: code happily will skip the rm if it's not there.. | 15:18 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: also need to add `mv` to compute.filters to allow the copy into the rootfs | 15:18 |
| s1rp_ | tried to lock that down with a regex though | 15:19 |
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| danpb | s1rp_: i think from the cloud admin POV it'd still be compelling if we could do this without introducing the need to use CONF.config_drive_format == 'fs' | 15:19 |
| danpb | s1rp_: because that would be one less magic config setting they need to remember to change for LXC only | 15:19 |
| s1rp_ | danpb: yeah i definitely ++ that point | 15:19 |
| danpb | so could you just try out the <filesystem type=file> approach to see if it will "just work" with the config_drive_format = fat or iso9660 or both | 15:20 |
| danpb | if we hit problems with that idea then we could re-visit it | 15:20 |
| s1rp_ | sounds good | 15:21 |
| danpb | i'll comment on the review for sake of history | 15:21 |
| s1rp_ | coolness | 15:21 |
| apmelton | danpb: do you know if filesystem supports blkiotune? | 15:21 |
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| apmelton | like, can we set limits for the underlying block device supporting the filesystem? | 15:23 |
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| danpb | apmelton: there's two block I/O tuning options in libvirt - there's global to the VM settings and there's per-disk settings | 15:24 |
| danpb | the former uses cgroups and should work with LXC IIRC, and the latter uses built-in QEMU rate limiting of which there's no equivalent with LXC | 15:24 |
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| danpb | if the LXC <filesystems> are each backed by unique loopback or nbd devices though | 15:25 |
| danpb | the top level global I/O tuning with cgroups is probably suffiicient, since each loop/nbd dev would have a distinct major/minor number | 15:25 |
| apmelton | so there's that, but also tunes on the config drive | 15:26 |
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| apmelton | we wouldn't want a container to be able to peg the drive hosting nova's data dir | 15:26 |
| apmelton | so we'd wanna set limits on that loopback device pretty low | 15:26 |
| danpb | yep, this is probably something that could use some enhancement | 15:27 |
| apmelton | I was doing some digging a little while ago, and I don't think the filesystem tag worked with blkiotune | 15:27 |
| apmelton | I didn't see any cgroups getting set at least | 15:28 |
| danpb | it currently doesn't - you'd have to figure out which loop device was used and then set the top level policy | 15:28 |
| apmelton | I suppose that could be tricky if you're setting two different tunings on filesystems hosted on the same block device | 15:30 |
| danpb | yeah, that's why QEMU added support for per-device limits itself | 15:30 |
| danpb | because cgroups can;'t distinguish that scenario | 15:31 |
| apmelton | gotcha | 15:31 |
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| thomasem | Well this has certainly been a productive chat. | 15:33 |
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| danpb | cool, so any other topics.... | 15:35 |
| danpb | ok, lets call this a wrap | 15:37 |
| danpb | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 15 15:37:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-07-15-15.02.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-07-15-15.02.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-07-15-15.02.log.html | 15:37 |
| thomasem | Thanks all. Take it easy! | 15:37 |
| s1rp_ | thanks all! | 15:37 |
| apmelton | \o | 15:37 |
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| jrist | meeting time? | 16:01 |
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| ericpeterson | yup | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 15 16:01:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone | 16:02 |
| tmazur | hello o/ | 16:02 |
| crobertsrh | Hello | 16:02 |
| gary-smith_ | hi | 16:02 |
| doug-fish | Hi | 16:02 |
| jrist | o/ | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | and welcome to a new installment of this week in Horizon | 16:02 |
| lcheng | o/ | 16:02 |
| clu_ | HI! | 16:02 |
| jrist | haha | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | I'll be your host | 16:02 |
| ericpeterson | hi | 16:02 |
| jrist | cheesy PBS music | 16:02 |
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| david-lyle | let's meet the panelists | 16:02 |
| ericpeterson | two ferns | 16:02 |
| akrivoka | hello | 16:02 |
| tsufiev | hi | 16:03 |
| tzumainn | hiya | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | so July 24 is rapidly approaching | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-2 | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | I pruned most items not already up for review | 16:03 |
| jtomasek | hey | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | will likely prune some more today to let us focus our review attention | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | several Sahara patches are getting very close | 16:04 |
| rdopiera | hi | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | should have most of those merged in J-2 | 16:04 |
| hurgleburgler | Hello | 16:04 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | thanks for the review attention on those | 16:04 |
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| crobertsrh | Yes...many thanks! | 16:04 |
| tmazur | Yep, Sahara is merging. | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | There are a couple of other I would like to get more status on | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/navigation-styling and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/top-bar-styling | 16:05 |
| jomara | ahoy! | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | jcoufal: you had patches up for those in Icehouse, no? | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | are you going to revitalize those, or put up new patches? | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | and is that a j-3 target now? | 16:06 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: let's do it j-3, I will make sure we get it there | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | jtomasek: how is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-update going | 16:06 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107042/ | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | did that go in today? | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | jtomasek: | 16:07 |
| jtomasek | most of the stuff should be done, I'll continue working on it. | 16:07 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: yes | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | ah, that's why I didn't see it yesterday ;) | 16:07 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: I'd really appretiate the reviews and some help too | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | jtomasek: since I haven't looked at the review yet, what is needing help? | 16:08 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: I just wonder how to make the cooperetion on this as simple as possible | 16:08 |
| clu_ | hi jtomasek, i see the review as Workflow (X) - should that be removed so ppl will review it? | 16:08 |
| lblanchard | hiya all | 16:08 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: mostly look for bugs and things that need to get fixed | 16:08 |
| jtomasek | clu_: yeah, no problem. I didn't know it prevented people from reviewing | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | ok, I will look at it some, any one else able to take a look | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | jtomasek: doesn't prevent, but usually indicates it's not ready | 16:09 |
| clu_ | yep, me! | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | jtomasek: I think if we find bugs and have fixes, we can post revisions to your patch | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | as long as you're good with that | 16:10 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: ok,sure no problem! | 16:10 |
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| jtomasek | I removed workflow -1 | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/remove-javascript-bundling seems to be blocked by openstack/requirements is that the summary? | 16:11 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: yes | 16:12 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: although it seems that we finally got to some agreement about the versions | 16:12 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: clu_ : when you have found a bug and you inted to fix it, please note it in comments so we avoid working on the same thing | 16:12 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: so I'm hopeful :) | 16:12 |
| clu_ | jtomasek, k! | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | ok, we now have two patches blocked by requirements changes | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | I'll see if I can find some +2s | 16:13 |
| rdopiera | that would help a lot, thank you | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, rdopiera, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/separate-horizon-from-dashboard seems blocked by the above bp so I'm going to move to j-3 | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | really need to get that to land in early j-3 or we'll have to push to K | 16:14 |
| rdopiera | yes | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | any other questions comments about what's slated for j-2? | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | tzumainn: updated dashboard? | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | :P | 16:16 |
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| tzumainn | david-lyle, you mean for tuskar-ui? | 16:16 |
| tzumainn | oh | 16:16 |
| tzumainn | right | 16:16 |
| tzumainn | nevermind, yeah | 16:16 |
| tzumainn | sorry, moment of confusion, give me a sec to shorten the url | 16:16 |
| tzumainn | david-lyle, http://goo.gl/ZQObiL | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | boom | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | thanks tzumainn | 16:17 |
| tzumainn | np! | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | #topic Client-side table rendering (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94706/) thai tran, eric peterson | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Client-side table rendering (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94706/) thai tran, eric peterson (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:18 | |
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| tqtran | hi folks, wanted to bring to your attention that the patch is ready for review | 16:18 |
| ericpeterson | We are getting farther .... have tests nearly working nwo | 16:18 |
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| rdopiera | nearly :) | 16:18 |
| ericpeterson | but it's a patch that might be best if interested people just download it and run it | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | so the summary is this is mechanism to do client side loading of table data | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | and can be used inline in place of the synchronous table loading now | 16:19 |
| ericpeterson | yes. if you download / review the patch... the instances table now loads the table async | 16:19 |
| tqtran | yes, basically. its sort of like a flag that you can switch on to get angular to render your data instead | 16:19 |
| ericpeterson | we picked a nice easy table like the instances view :D | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | but I want my 1990's internet back | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | this will be a nice change and ability to have once we can merge it | 16:20 |
| ericpeterson | you can actually have that too, at least as the patch currently stands.... you can add an extra query param to switch the format to old | 16:20 |
| tqtran | david: you can have your dial-up back, just +2 it | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | get off my lawn | 16:20 |
| tqtran | haha | 16:21 |
| ericpeterson | we will take out that query flag eventually.... it's there just so reviewers can look at both versions and compare | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | thanks for the great work and once j-2 settles a bit, I'm sure it will get more review attention | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | #topic Improve help messaging on modals https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104334/ (clu_) | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Improve help messaging on modals https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104334/ (clu_) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:22 | |
| clu_ | hi | 16:22 |
| clu_ | We'd like Horizon to improve help text on the modals - community member Ashish has started the work on this here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104334/ | 16:22 |
| clu_ | Does anyone have any objections to changing text from: | 16:22 |
| clu_ | "From here you can create a new domain to organize projects, groups and users." ==> "Create a domain to organize projects, groups and users." | 16:22 |
| clu_ | "From here you can set quotas (max limits) for the project." ==> "Set quotas (max limits) for the project." | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | removing the "From here you can"? that's the most important part | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:23 |
| clu_ | yep | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | no objections | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | from me | 16:23 |
| ericpeterson | +1 from here | 16:24 |
| johnma | sounds good to me | 16:24 |
| tmazur | clu_, nice improvement | 16:24 |
| jpich | lblanchard had an awesome document on how to write good error and general messages - Liz do you have a link handy and/or thoughts on this rephrasing? | 16:24 |
| lcheng | +1 | 16:24 |
| rbertram | I like it. Is UX involved in this? Or should they be? | 16:24 |
| lblanchard | jpich: for sure…let me find it :) | 16:24 |
| jpich | Ah I got it! https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UX/Improve_User_Experience_of_Messaging_in_Horizon#Tips_and_Best_Practices_for_all_Messages: | 16:25 |
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| johnma | this link is also mentioned in the defect that clu_ mentioned | 16:25 |
| lblanchard | jpich: beat me to it :) | 16:25 |
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| jpich | lblanchard: Do you have any thoughts on the change suggested by clu_ above? It seems nice and more concise to me but you've thought about this more :-) | 16:26 |
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| jpich | johnma: My bad, I didn't notice | 16:26 |
| tqtran | lblanchard: would be good if you a take a look at the patch and +1 it liz | 16:27 |
| lblanchard | jpich, tqtran: I can definitely take a look | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: thanks | 16:27 |
| jpich | Thanks! | 16:27 |
| clu_ | thanks everyone, great!!! | 16:28 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:28 | |
| tsufiev | could I take the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1158501 ? Previous assignee haven't been showing for a while | 16:29 |
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| david-lyle | I thought there was a patch for the duplicate session expiration message/form, does anyone know where that is? that problem is really annoying | 16:30 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88220/ | 16:30 |
| tsufiev | blocked by pending change in openstack_auth | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: on launchpad are you tsufiev or tsufiev-x? | 16:31 |
| jpich | tsufiev: Usually I recommend asking first like you did, but when there's no activity for 4 months it's probably fine to go ahead and pick it up if you have a fix ready | 16:31 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, tsufiev-x | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | yours | 16:32 |
| tsufiev | thanks ) | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | thank you for following the established proceedure | 16:32 |
| clu_ | tsufiev: looking forward to it :) | 16:32 |
| rdopiera | I wonder if there is a reason for the fact that the login form on / doesn't load any scripts, while the one on /auth/login does | 16:32 |
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| rdopiera | and if it's intetional | 16:33 |
| rdopiera | intentional even | 16:33 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, another thing that is not yet clear to me is a relation of this modal/upload bug to the file-upload-redux blueprint, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1158501/comments/2 | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | ericpeterson: do you remember why there's two? | 16:34 |
| doug-fish | rdopiera: yes, good question. Would be great to get the same behavior/appearance on both versions of the login screen. | 16:34 |
| tsufiev | clu_, will do my best ) | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | may have been driven by the requirement to support non-js sessions | 16:34 |
| ericpeterson | It might be when you switch regions / re login.... | 16:35 |
| ericpeterson | that gets poped up as a modal ?? | 16:35 |
| ericpeterson | at least it was that way at one point? | 16:35 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: I'm not sure I understand what "requirement to support non-js sessions" means | 16:35 |
| ericpeterson | and this is historical / legacy stuff | 16:35 |
| rdopiera | I will report it as a bug then | 16:36 |
| ericpeterson | the file names that are preceeded with a _ character are what gets used for a modal view.... and we had a fallback to use the other file name when js modal was not available | 16:36 |
| rdopiera | and try to fix it | 16:37 |
| ericpeterson | most of the time the file.html just includes the _file.html in the modal views | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I think it's ok go ahead and fix the bug | 16:37 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, ok | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera: +1 | 16:38 |
| tmazur | Speaking about reviews and J-2.. I hate to ask but it seems that my own patch sets are going to stuck in limbo. Thank you david-lyle for your +2 today however they need a bit more attention. | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | tmazur: a lot of patches have been starved for attention | 16:39 |
| tmazur | david-lyle, I'd love to review them all but I can't :) | 16:39 |
| david-lyle | the dashboard that tzumainn posted before really helps draw attention to the j-2 milestone items | 16:39 |
| david-lyle | I've been walking down the list as far as I can | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | as for the sahara patches, I think we're going to have to let some blemishes in and fix after the fact. The 2700+ LOC patch pretty much guarantees it will happen either way | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | Things like exceptions popping up to the use etc, I would like fixed before hand, as best we can, but it will be easier to push minor cleanup later | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | s/use/user/ | 16:42 |
| crobertsrh | Thanks for the good eyes on the reviews. | 16:43 |
| absubram_ | david-lyle: sorry to pile on :).. but thanks to tzumainn and jpich, I was able to make some small changes to the operational code for my review.. and now there is no more duplication of tests or a change to test/settings needed.. I know you higher priority reviews, but whenever you can give it a second look, would be great.. thanks! | 16:45 |
| absubram_ | amotoki: If amotoki is here.. if you could take a second look too would appreciate it.. thanks! | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | absubram_: I hadn't realized you had worked through it, I will take a look | 16:46 |
| absubram_ | yep.. got it working finally last week and just updated the review a short while back :) | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | I assume my suggestion was way off base and you came up with a better one? | 16:46 |
| amotoki | absubram_: hi | 16:46 |
| absubram_ | haha not completely.. went with the similar line of thought - of making a change in the operational code.. but did manage to avoid duplication | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | excellent, thanks for all your efforts to make it right | 16:47 |
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| absubram_ | hi amotoki! I finally managed to address both your comments from the review and get it working.. I've updated it.. if you coould take a look when you can, it would be great.. | 16:48 |
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| absubram_ | thanks david.. I'm glad I did.. this is definitely a much better solution :) | 16:48 |
| absubram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90093/ | 16:49 |
| amotoki | absubram_: sorry for my less review activity these weeks. I am happy to hear you addressed the comments :-) | 16:49 |
| amotoki | absubram_: will look | 16:49 |
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| absubram_ | amotoki: no worries.. thanks for the suggestions.. it took a little effort getting it to work haha! | 16:50 |
| absubram_ | thanks again to tzumainn too for pointing out the change needed | 16:51 |
| tzumainn | absubram_, lol, not at all, it was a fun exercise | 16:51 |
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| david-lyle | any last minute items? | 16:55 |
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| david-lyle | Thanks everyone! Have a great week. | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 15 16:56:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-15-16.01.html | 16:56 |
| lblanchard | thank you all! | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-15-16.01.txt | 16:56 |
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| absubram_ | thanks all! | 16:56 |
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| tzumainn | thanks! | 16:57 |
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| pballand | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 15 17:01:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pballand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
| arosen | Hi! | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all | 17:01 |
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| pballand | hello! | 17:01 |
| kudva | Hi | 17:01 |
| rajdeep | hi | 17:01 |
| banix | hi | 17:01 |
| pballand | last week, I said I would try to update the agenda on the wiki prior to the meeting - fail. | 17:02 |
| pballand | the good news is I’m leaving room to improve :) | 17:02 |
| sarob | moring | 17:02 |
| sarob | :/ | 17:02 |
| arosen | :) | 17:02 |
| pballand | I have a couple of high-level updates, then want to go through status again | 17:03 |
| pballand | a big goal last week was to get the gate enabled, which it now is! | 17:03 |
| arosen | woot woot | 17:04 |
| pballand | we’ve hit a couple snags with requirements, but generally things seem to be working | 17:04 |
| sarob | gate is goood | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | It's good to mention that all the tests now run with tox. | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | So tox -e py27 will run all the tests. | 17:04 |
| pballand | thinrichs: good point | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | It's a bit slow, so arosen has a patch that adds a script that runs a bit faster. | 17:05 |
| rajdeep | thinrichs that is great | 17:05 |
| pballand | some code has also been moved around a bit, to be more consistent with other projects | 17:05 |
| kudva | thinrichs: so that is why the scripts directory has disappeared :), missed the last meeting | 17:05 |
| arosen | yup ./run_tests.sh -N it avoids have to generate a tar of the congress directory :) | 17:05 |
| pballand | so running the tests is no longer in scripts/ , etc | 17:05 |
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| arosen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105893/ | 17:05 |
| pballand | kudva: yup | 17:06 |
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| thinrichs | I'd recommend everyone using arosen's script if you want to run tests. | 17:06 |
| sarob | faster is good | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | tox is super slow. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | ./run_tests.sh -N —no-pep8 is what I usually use | 17:06 |
| pballand | along with the big changes, have come a few conflicts, so some commits are taking longer to get in than we’d like | 17:06 |
| kudva | thinrichs: do I need a particular branch to do that: ./run_tests.sh -N —no-pep8 | 17:07 |
| pballand | I expect things to calm back down over the next couple days though, unless arosen has another batch of restructuring proposals :) | 17:07 |
| arosen | :) | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | cherry-pick arosen's patch, which he linked to earlier. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | We should get the script merged in the next couple of days. | 17:08 |
| kudva | thinrichs: got it | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | Everyone's waiting on one of my changes. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | :( | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102951/ | 17:09 |
| thinrichs | But it's ready for another round of review | 17:09 |
| pballand | the sooner we can get through the current backlog the better | 17:09 |
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| arosen | thinrichs: I'll give it another round of review after the meeting. Hopefully we can get it in today. | 17:10 |
| pballand | the other thing I wanted to touch base on was specs | 17:10 |
| pballand | J-02 closes July 24 | 17:10 |
| pballand | from an incubation perspective, we want to follow the ‘official’ process as much as possible, so submitting specs for approval is important | 17:11 |
| pballand | on the other hand, the project is in an early phase, so we don’t want to hamper innovation, so I plan on being flexible with submissions | 17:11 |
| pballand | I do want to ensure that all features are associated with a spec, however | 17:12 |
| sarob | can we vote/agree on what bp and spec to move to congress-specs? | 17:12 |
| sarob | or just move everything and vote through gerrit? | 17:12 |
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| rajdeep | do we have a read me on how to author a spec / bp using rst for congress? | 17:12 |
| arosen | sarob: I think we should vote on gerrit | 17:13 |
| pballand | rajdeep: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Congress#How_To_Create_a_Blueprint | 17:13 |
| pballand | there are only 7 blueprints currently proposed | 17:13 |
| sarob | want me to move the guts over to the new project congress-specs? | 17:14 |
| pballand | I expect 5 of them are definitely in | 17:14 |
| arosen | So along the lines with blueprints: | 17:14 |
| arosen | so the infra/config patch just merged to create congress-specs: https://github.com/stackforge/congress-specs | 17:14 |
| sarob | pballand: we need to backport a few spec for existing bp | 17:14 |
| arosen | should we migrate everything over? | 17:14 |
| pballand | sarob: is there value in backporting? | 17:14 |
| arosen | I set this up with the specs that are merged in congress (https://github.com/aaronorosen/congress-specs ) with unit tests to validate the format of the spec (shameless stolen from nova-specs :) ) | 17:15 |
| sarob | pballand: consistency | 17:15 |
| sarob | pballand: i can do it. shouldnt be too much work | 17:15 |
| pballand | if the work is ongoing, I think it is valuable to have a spec, but for completed work, I don’t see the need (but am not opposed if someone want’s to do it) | 17:16 |
| sarob | #action sarob backport existing bp without spec to stackforge/congress-specs | 17:16 |
| pballand | sarob: great, thanks for volunteering | 17:16 |
| pballand | sarob: if you don’t mind moving existing specs over (and updating the docs), that would be great too | 17:17 |
| sarob | #action sarob migrate existing openstack/congress/spec to stackforge/congress-specs | 17:17 |
| pballand | everyone onboard with using congress-specs project instead of congress/specs now? | 17:17 |
| arosen | yup makes sense to me. | 17:17 |
| rajdeep | do we need any help with test coverage in API side | 17:17 |
| sarob | yup | 17:17 |
| pballand | #agreed specs now live in the congress-specs project | 17:18 |
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| pballand | is anyone considering adding any more specs at this time? | 17:18 |
| pballand | (other than the backport by sarob) | 17:18 |
| thinrichs | Before the summit? | 17:18 |
| sarob | pballand: i will add the rest of the policy spec that got more than 2 votes | 17:19 |
| rajdeep | kudva how is the ceilometer driver coming along? | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | I assume we'd want specs for how we implement reactive enforcement (actions, etc.). | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | That would be the only major spec I'd see writing before the summit | 17:20 |
| kudva | rajdeep: I am working on the blueprint. I wanted to finish the builtin/runtime integration, which I just did | 17:20 |
| kudva | rajdeep: once I am done with that (builtin/runtime), and check in next two days, full speed ahead on ceilometer blueprint for your review | 17:20 |
| sarob | thinrichs: is that bp round out what we need to implement the two policy specs out there? | 17:21 |
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| pballand | ok, we still have plenty of time before feature freeze, but the sooner we publish specs, the more people can understand and help | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | sarob: We'd need the reactive enforce spec and specs for each of the data source drivers we need. | 17:21 |
| sarob | thinrichs: right | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | I don't remember which data source drivers are necessary for those existing specs. | 17:22 |
| sarob | thinrichs: i need to make source that work is identified in the policy specs | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | sarob: agreed. | 17:23 |
| sarob | i assume we will want some help from the respective projects on the plugin if not outright ownership? | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | We don't need help from other projects. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | We just need to write code like is in congress/datasources/nova_driver.py | 17:24 |
| pballand | as we close in on the policy specs, I expect we will want to tweak the datasource plugins, so I would expect associated specs to follow | 17:24 |
| sarob | thinrichs: okay | 17:24 |
| pballand | sarob: can you give an update on the mini-summit response? | 17:24 |
| sarob | #action sarob verify policy specs have data source req identified | 17:25 |
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| sarob | pballand: mikal can only make 18-19 september | 17:26 |
| sarob | pballand: so that looks like the date | 17:26 |
| arosen | Far trip from Australia :) | 17:26 |
| * pballand updates calendar | 17:26 | |
| sarob | pballand: i believe mestery can make it, right? | 17:26 |
| sarob | pballand: i have gotten various positive responses from the neutron team | 17:27 |
| sarob | pballand: jharlow is coming | 17:28 |
| arosen | Yup i know SumitNaiksatam said he could come. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | Perhaps we should circulate to the owners of blueprints on policy as well. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | We have a list of blueprints on the wiki. | 17:28 |
| sarob | #info congress mid-cycle policy summit is set for 18-19 september in SF bay area | 17:29 |
| mestery | sarob: Looking into it yet, but I *think* so, yes | 17:29 |
| sarob | mestery: thank bro | 17:29 |
| pballand | mestery: :) | 17:29 |
| sarob | pballand: i want the heat people to join as well | 17:29 |
| pballand | sarob: great | 17:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | arosen: yes, i am in! | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | How about the swift people? | 17:30 |
| sarob | pballand: general acceptance of sf area as the place | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | They've actually released policy code | 17:31 |
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| sarob | thinrichs: notmyname is on my list to directly invite | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | sarob: sounds good | 17:31 |
| pballand | anyone from keystone? | 17:31 |
| sarob | pballand: i havent reached out directly to anyone other than mikal and mestery yet | 17:32 |
| sarob | pballand: now that i have a date i can start | 17:32 |
| arosen | I've been talking to a few people in the keystone channel. I'll ping them to see if anyones interested. | 17:33 |
| pballand | sarob: great, lets nail down a location (in the SF bay area) offline | 17:34 |
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| sarob | pballand: roger that | 17:34 |
| pballand | since the repo has been under a lot of churn lately, I wanted to ask everyone to give a quick update on items they are working on that may impact others | 17:35 |
| pballand | arosen: you’ve been moving a few things, would you mind going first? | 17:35 |
| arosen | sure | 17:35 |
| arosen | So I think this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105882/ - Refactor congress eventlet server code might have the biggest impact since I changed the eventloop in congress-server | 17:36 |
| arosen | Hopefully, we'll be able to discuss this change in the congress channel later today if people are free. | 17:36 |
| arosen | Patch for keystone integration (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106911/) which is working but I still have some refactoring to do. We can disable the keystone auth via etc/congress.conf: auth_strategy = noauth | 17:37 |
| arosen | I hope this patch won't impact others because I was able to reuse the existing application that was already in congress. | 17:37 |
| arosen | That's about it from me on changes I believe. | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | I'll go. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | I have the implementation of the API data models that I linked earlier. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102951/ | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | This should go in soon | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | I'm working hard on integrating. Bunch of bug fixes on top of arosen's Refactor eventlet patch and my API models patch. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | Think that's it. | 17:39 |
| pballand | arosen, thinrichs: thanks | 17:40 |
| pballand | anyone else? | 17:40 |
| kudva | I'll go | 17:40 |
| kudva | I had checked in some builtin/runtime integration earlier, after feedback from Tim added more tests for other (non-arithmetic) operator. It all works now :) | 17:41 |
| kudva | Was going to check-in, but noticed the scripts directory missing | 17:41 |
| kudva | so when I get a chance to run all the tests and have a clean run, will check in the code | 17:41 |
| kudva | After that, the next step would be to do a ceilometer integration blueprint for Rajdeep's review | 17:41 |
| pballand | kudva: do you have a spec for your change? | 17:42 |
| kudva | pballand: the builtin change? | 17:42 |
| kudva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99194/ | 17:42 |
| kudva | This does not have the additional tests I added, once I test locally using the new run_tests.sh, I'll complete and submit | 17:43 |
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| kudva | that's it from me | 17:43 |
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| sarob | im only working on rst right now, my stuff already inline | 17:44 |
| pballand | I’m focusing on reviews and working with arosen on updating the event loop | 17:45 |
| pballand | that’s all I have | 17:46 |
| pballand | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| pballand | any other items on people’s minds? | 17:47 |
| sarob | the midcycle operators summit is happening 25-26 aug | 17:47 |
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| sarob | ideas on what / how to present policy to the operators? | 17:47 |
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| pballand | sarob: where is that held? | 17:48 |
| sarob | rackspace san antonio tx | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | For operators, I'd try giving them a mock-up of the kind of interaction we'd expect. Slideware. | 17:48 |
| sarob | #link http://sarob.com/2014/07/openstack-operators-mid-cycle-summit/ | 17:49 |
| pballand | what we would present depends on what we want from the operators | 17:49 |
| pballand | I expect we would want use-cases | 17:49 |
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| pballand | in which case giving them an example of how congress can make their lives easier could help | 17:49 |
| sarob | so a bit of inform what we are doing with policy and a lot of use cases from the operators | 17:50 |
| sarob | sounds good to me | 17:50 |
| pballand | I would think something like: “here’s something we know some operators do; here’s how to do it from the command line today, and here’s how to constantly evaluate that same workflow using congress" | 17:51 |
| sarob | pballand: i like that. | 17:51 |
| sarob | pballand: i can show off | 17:52 |
| pballand | if we had one or two examples like that, I think it would set the right mindset for the operators to suggest their top pain points that could be addressed by congress | 17:52 |
| sarob | pballand: add capacity, remove capacity | 17:52 |
| arosen | One of the things i've been playing with with thinrichs is a policy to determine if an instance is uplinked to the internet. | 17:53 |
| arosen | and if they have a security profile that matches X | 17:53 |
| pballand | arosen: that sounds cool - is that hard for operators to determine today? | 17:54 |
| arosen | We actually found that it's pretty hard to get all of this info would manually writing queries. I think a huge win for congress would be to provide an easy way to do complex quires that we can't really do today easily. | 17:54 |
| sarob | arosen: agreed | 17:54 |
| arosen | all this info manually querying each component* | 17:54 |
| arosen | For example, say you want to find which glance images are used on compute instances that are connected to the internet. | 17:55 |
| arosen | One needs to query glance, nova, and neutron | 17:55 |
| arosen | and it requires multiple quries to neutron to determine if a port is able to go to the internet. | 17:55 |
| arosen | i think that could be a good starting use case for operators. | 17:55 |
| sarob | arosen: yes, i think that would go over well | 17:56 |
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| arosen | I know that at vmware we have this thing logsight that does all these graphs based on usage. It would be cool to hook some visuals that can query congress to make interesting graphs. | 17:56 |
| pballand | sarob: do we need to register for a slot to present? | 17:56 |
| arosen | that operators would be interested in seeing. | 17:56 |
| sarob | #action sarob will create mid-cycle operators summit policy session | 17:57 |
| sarob | pballand: already on my list of to dos | 17:57 |
| pballand | sarob: awesome, thanks! | 17:57 |
| sarob | pballand: i am planned to help run so easy to add the session | 17:58 |
| pballand | ok, that’s all the time we have this week | 17:59 |
| pballand | thanks everyone for joining! | 17:59 |
| sarob | cheers! | 17:59 |
| arosen | Thanks! later | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Bye all! | 17:59 |
| banix | bye | 17:59 |
| pballand | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 15 17:59:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-07-15-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-07-15-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-07-15-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: python2.6 jobs are failing due to bug 1342262 "virtualenv>=1.9.1 not found" A fix is out but there are still nodes built on the old stale images | 18:22 | |
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