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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:59 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami, mrsmith, viveknarasimhan, safchain, amuller, devvesa: ping | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: hi | 15:00 |
| safchain | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin:hi | 15:00 |
| Rajeev | Hi | 15:01 |
| pcm_ | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 15:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | Juno-3 is September 4th | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | FeatureProposalFreeze (FPF) is August 21st | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | That is only two weeks away and you know how these weeks fly by. | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-ovs-dvr (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| mrsmith | o/ | 15:03 |
| Swami | bug fixes are currently in full swing. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:04 |
| Swami | I think most us are working on the bug fixes. | 15:04 |
| mrsmith | yup | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Yup | 15:04 |
| Swami | vivek had posted the fix for the critical L2 pop. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I’d like to get this one reviewed and merged very soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1350485 | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: the same | 15:05 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes you are right. | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | yes | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | I think the ml2 prob is affecting lots of areas | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I was looking at the UTs that were added (PS4) that had a problem. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | I have not found the problem and so I trimmed the UTs down to a minimal set for the patch. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | So, you’ll see a big difference in UTs from PS4 to PS5. | 15:06 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Yes I did see your message on that. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I think keeping the patch focused will help us to review and merge it more quickly. | 15:06 |
| Swami | Your point is valid to just focus on the bug fix and the related UT for now to make the review easy. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | The UTs developed by Vivek can be worked on and proposed as a new patch at a later time. They can still add much value. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I see there is a new bug 1353885 | 15:08 |
| Rajeev | bug 1353885 L2Pop on OVS broken due to DeferredBridge introduction : Vivek filed, is also in the related area. UTs will help. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: :) | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353885 | 15:08 |
| Rajeev | carl_baldwin: I ran into it yesterday :) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | I actually ran in to the same thing yesterday and was getting ready to file a bug. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/91167/ | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | I just added my trace to the bug. | 15:09 |
| Rajeev | carl_baldwin: yes, same symptoms | 15:10 |
| Swami | was this Deferred bridge late introduction. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Just a little hint. These stack traces don’t copy/paste well in to bug reports. paste.openstack.org is a good way to get them in there. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll review the patch (a one-liner) and see if it makes sense to add a UT. I think this should merge quickly. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Rajeev: Do we know which patch introduced this bug? | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | It would be good to note that in the bug report. | 15:12 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: no I am not sure. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Never mind, it is in the bug report. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I was snow blind because of the stack trace. ;) | 15:13 |
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| Rajeev_ | carl_baldwin: sorry lost connection. don't know the patch # but came in last 2 days | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will shepherd bug 1353885 through | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | Rajeev_: np, the patch is reported in the bug report. I had missed it. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Other progress? | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | carl_baldwin: I am hitting an issue with delete namespaces | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | the driver is throwing an error | 15:15 |
| Swami | we are progressing on the migration patch | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | "Device or resource not ready" | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | anyone seeing this? | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | this is for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1353287 | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | “not ready”? I’m not sure I’m seen that. | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | if I put a delay in after intefaces are unpluged and the delete namespace, no error | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | we can rely on "delays" | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: you’re asking? | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | this is causing tempest errors | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | I'm asking if anyone else has seen this error lately | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | in the community | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | it seems to be yet another "recent" problem | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | we weren't seeing this before | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | I haven’t but others can speak up. | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | k | 15:18 |
| mrsmith | I'll keep digging | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Could you paste some context around the error and link it to the bug? | 15:18 |
| mrsmith | sure | 15:18 |
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| Rajeev_ | mrsmith: I just tried it and got this: Cannot remove /var/run/netns/qrouter-3f587793-02a6-4fc3-8b97-dc38581ef92a: Device or resource busy | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | right | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | thats it | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | that looks like a plain router ns | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | I am hitting it with a fip ns | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | so - same possible issue in the driver? | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Oh, that is different. What OS are you on? | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | ubuntu | 15:20 |
| Rajeev_ | ubuntu here too | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | 12.04 | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Rajeev_: That is a known issue with the iproute package on 12.04. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t remember all of the details but there are broad locks created by execing in the namespace. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | This problem is the whole reason why namespace deletion is off by default. | 15:22 |
| Rajeev_ | carl_baldwin: good to know, any workarounds ? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Update iproute package. | 15:22 |
| mrsmith | so jenkins/gate/tempest runs with delete off? | 15:22 |
| mrsmith | or we need to support either regardless? | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: yes, but now that you mention it it could be turned on now that 14.04 is in the gate. | 15:23 |
| mrsmith | "could" or "might have" | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: I’m sure it is off in the gate because off is the default. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1052535 | 15:25 |
| mrsmith | ya - we've talked about this before | 15:25 |
| mrsmith | its an old bug | 15:25 |
| mrsmith | its just we've been deleting ns pretty reliably for months | 15:26 |
| mrsmith | and now it seems to be affecting us more | 15:26 |
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| mrsmith | I'll look at how to work around this | 15:26 |
| mrsmith | in the code | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | See my comment from 2013-10-01 | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | I might be able to find you an update to iproute with the fix in it. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other DVR issues to discuss? | 15:27 |
| mrsmith | well - updating iproute is easy enough | 15:27 |
| mrsmith | getting the code to be more rubust is what I'm after | 15:27 |
| mrsmith | *robust | 15:27 |
| mrsmith | we can move on -thanks | 15:27 |
| Swami | I think that's all we have for now. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: The problem is that if you hit the error, we’ve found that the system tends to get bad after. So, simply handling the error gracefully isn’t really going to cut it. | 15:28 |
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| mrsmith | fair enough | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | So, you’ve got to avoid hitting the error in the first place or your machine will not be the same until a reboot. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Let me know what you come up with. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Keep up the good work DVR team. | 15:30 |
| PraveenSM | Hello All, | 15:30 |
| PraveenSM | We have written a blueprint “DHCP Serivce LoadBalancing Scheduler”. | 15:30 |
| PraveenSM | This blue print is written to address the problem of uneven scheduling of DHCP name spaces on multiple network nodes. The problem we faced is, Consider we have 1 Openstack Controller, 4 Network Nodes,100 Compute nodes. We have created 200 Networks and booted 800VMs across 200 networks. When the VMs are booted across networks then DHCP namespaces pertaining to network will be created on Network Nodes. However arou | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | PraveenSM: We’ll catch you in Open Discussion. | 15:30 |
| PraveenSM | ok thanks | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: amuller: ping | 15:31 |
| safchain | hi | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | How is this progressing? | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I did some reviewing last week but some of it was WIP. I’m happy to review this week. | 15:31 |
| safchain | base classes and scheduler rebased, all UT work | 15:32 |
| safchain | amuller made a great job on the agent side | 15:32 |
| safchain | he splitted the agent code into two classes | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Is most of it ready for review? | 15:33 |
| safchain | sure | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Great, I’ll make a pass over them today. Be sure that anything that may not be ready is marked WIP. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: anything else? | 15:34 |
| safchain | assaf is still working to add more functional test, but we can start the review | 15:34 |
| safchain | no everything is ok | 15:34 |
| safchain | ok I'll check the WIP status | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: thanks. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-svcs-vendor-* | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | pcm_: Is there anything outstanding on this topic? | 15:35 |
| pcm_ | No all set. BP done, VPN implemented. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I saw that your Cisco impl was merged, I think. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: Great. Shall I removed from the agenda? | 15:36 |
| pcm_ | If other services want to do this, we can do as bugs. | 15:36 |
| pcm_ | Sure. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: Okay, great work. | 15:36 |
| pcm_ | thanks! | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa, nextone92: ping | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will review bgp code in progress | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like they’re not around. | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | yamamoto: do you have anything? | 15:38 |
| yamamoto | nothing | 15:38 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/bgp-dynamic-routing,n,z | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay, I guess we’ll take the topic to gerrit. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto: thanks | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Reschedule routers from downed agents | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: are you around? | 15:39 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110893/ | 15:39 |
| kevinbenton | it’s now configuration enabled | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: that is good. | 15:40 |
| kevinbenton | default disabled so people concerned with zombie agents won’t have to worry | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll have another look. There is one colleague here at HP who dealt with our rescheduling solution a lot. He may be able to provide better feedback about the sorts of things that go wrong. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | I also heard from some other HP guys who were working along the same lines. | 15:41 |
| kevinbenton | i’m aware of most of them. one of the guys from redhat already provided quite a bit on the bug report | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m trying to nudge them to discuss it out in the open. :) | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: great. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: thanks for the update. Anything else to discuss? | 15:42 |
| kevinbenton | there is nothing more that can be done from the neutron side if we assume neutron is disconnected | 15:43 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: nope, this patch probably isn’t going to change much now | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: thanks. | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:44 |
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| PraveenSM | We have written a blueprint “DHCP Serivce LoadBalancing Scheduler”. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111210/ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dhcpservice-loadbalancing | 15:45 |
| PraveenSM | This blue print is written to address the problem of uneven scheduling of DHCP name spaces on multiple network nodes. The problem we faced is, Consider we have 1 Openstack Controller, 4 Network Nodes,100 Compute nodes. We have created 200 Networks and booted 800VMs across 200 networks. When the VMs are booted across networks then DHCP namespaces pertaining to network will be created on Network Nodes. | 15:45 |
| PraveenSM | However around 95% of DHCP namespaces will be created on only one Network Node and remaining 5% DHCP namespaces will be distributed among remaining 3 Network Nodes. Hence there will be excess load on only one Network Node. To address this problem we have written the blueprint so that DHCP namespaces will be distributed equally among Network Nodes based on number of DHCP namespaces hosted on each Network node. | 15:45 |
| PraveenSM | Please review it and give comments | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Like LeastRouters? | 15:46 |
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| PraveenSM | yes | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | PraveenSM: I will add it to my radar. Thanks for bringing it up. | 15:46 |
| PraveenSM | thanks | 15:46 |
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| seizadi | Can we register for Kilo Design Sessions? | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | seizadi: Good question. I have not heard. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Usually that comes after summit talks (voting ended yesterday) | 15:47 |
| seizadi | How do we track on twitter? | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | seizadi: Not sure what you’re asking but I’ve never been on twitter so maybe that’s why. | 15:49 |
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| seizadi | :) A lot of the summit announcements are on #Openstack I am new and don't know how the process works. | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | seizadi: I see. I just sort of hear word of mouth or by email. | 15:52 |
| seizadi | OK, Thx | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | if that is all, I will close the meeting. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Great work! | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 15:54:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-08-07-15.01.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-08-07-15.01.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-08-07-15.01.log.html | 15:55 |
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| yamamoto | bye | 15:55 |
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| banix | haloooo | 18:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| s3wong | seems like SumitNaiksatam just left | 18:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:00 |
| banix | rkukura, hemanthravi, s3wong : hi | 18:00 |
| s3wong | obviously Sumit got tired o hosting this meeting :-) | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | banix: hello | 18:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 18:01 |
| banix | LouisF: hi | 18:01 |
| regXboi | moo | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | seems like i am having the same problem as yesterday | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | lets get started | 18:01 |
| * regXboi is sitting on two IRC meetings right now, so may be distracted | 18:01 | |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam_: what? can’t hear you :) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam_: seems like it, probably good to appoint another chair then | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 7 18:01:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | banix: :-) | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | #chair rkukura banix s3wong | 18:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam_ banix rkukura s3wong | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | whew! got that out of the way | 18:02 |
| * regXboi notes SumitNaiksatam has learned well :) | 18:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | regXboi: ;-) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | i hope everyone slept well yesterday! ;-) | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | #topic Mailing list discussion on GBP | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | so I think good arguments have been made in favor of doing this in-tree | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | in the mailing list yesterday | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | what does everyone else think? | 18:05 |
| * regXboi has been waffling back and forth | 18:05 | |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam_: +1, there has been a good response. | 18:06 |
| * banix surprisingly in good spirit :) | 18:06 | |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | banix: :-) | 18:06 |
| yyywu | i am glad to know so many people are interesting on GBP. | 18:06 |
| s3wong | 131 posts on that thread - finally quiet down for the last hour | 18:06 |
| banix | yyywu: or lack there of :) | 18:07 |
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| yyywu | i am impressed so many high quality discussion in one day! | 18:07 |
| arosen | Honestly, I feel like points of why GBP have been really been made/proven. I'm just trying to come from a point of understanding... | 18:07 |
| * arosen haven't | 18:07 | |
| * arosen imho solely :) | 18:08 | |
| banix | that changes the statement :) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: honestly, i think its difficult to explain it any better than what kevinbenton already has | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i think we spoke at lenght about this at least a couple of times before as well | 18:09 |
| hemanthravi | kevinbenton's last e-mail summarized it well | 18:09 |
| arosen | At one point there was talk that GBP provides optimizations and preformance improvements though i don't think anyone has explained why. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: and every time the discussion seems to get reset | 18:09 |
| banix | arosen: I wish you were enaged a few monts ago (or may be even before that) but I ubderstand schedules/interests changes | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: we could potentially take turns in relaying this to you in different ways, would that help? | 18:09 |
| arosen | I agree i wish i paid more attention to this. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: at this point myself and kevinbenton already tried | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: the fundamental premise is not going to change though | 18:10 |
| banix | arosen: i dont think performance optimization is the main issue at all; that is in my opinion but others may have different views | 18:10 |
| arosen | One sec* | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | banix: agree, not sure where that came from | 18:10 |
| * regXboi suspects people come to GP from different places and so see different aspects of the solution | 18:11 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | regXboi: agree | 18:11 |
| arosen | I'd be interested in going through the points i commented here on the blueprint: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042114.html | 18:11 |
| arosen | If you guys are interested in having that discussion | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | regXboi: hence the suggestion that we can take turns in explaining this, and present different perspectives :-) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i am not sure that we can go through all the points in this meeting | 18:12 |
| arosen | banix: where do you see the benefit of the new model? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: but we can certainly pick a few of them | 18:13 |
| arosen | SumitNaiksatam_: okay let me pick a point then . | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: also for the records most if not all of those have been discussed at length in various different fora before | 18:13 |
| rkukura | arosen: The optimization and performance oportunities are when things like ODL or vendor controllers can render the intent expressed in the contracts without necessarily using the same mechanisms needed for Neutron security groups, firewalls, etc.. The advantages to the user are that the API gives them a more natural way to express what they need to control. | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: we cannot keep rehashing the same discussion over and over again | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: but defintiely go ahead | 18:14 |
| banix | arosen: some are listed on the spec, level of abstraction is the main factor in my view | 18:14 |
| arosen | rkukura: neutron's api is a logical abstraction the backend implementation can be done however a vendor chooses. Why does moving to GBP allow ODL/vendor controllers a performance improvement? | 18:15 |
| regXboi | all: may I? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | regXboi: please | 18:15 |
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| regXboi | neutron's logical abstraction has some inherent assumptions baked into it | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam_: hopefully we get time to discuss the agenda :) get arosen in sync is certainly very important but it may be better to move the discussion elsewhere? just asking | 18:16 |
| regXboi | specifically withing the concept of scoping that are not natural for an applicaiton programmer to think in | 18:16 |
| mscohen | arosen: do you want to talk to me now outside this meeting to go through some of these? | 18:16 |
| rkukura | arosen: Because by expressing just the intent rather than describing a specific configuration of virtual appliances, there is a lot more flexibility in how the intent gets rendered. | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | ivar-lazzaro: just a few minutes, i am still optimistic that arosen will be happy after this :-) | 18:17 |
| arosen | I don't want to take over your meeting perhaps following up in openstack-neutron later is a better option. | 18:18 |
| regXboi | all: sorry - I'm getting pulled into another discussion - I'll have to go split brain for a while | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: we have certainly allocated some time on the agenda for this discussion | 18:19 |
| arosen | Also, I'm just trying to just understand this new model and why. I definitely hate to make you guys rehash things you have hashed. | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: if you anticipate that this is a much longer discussion then we can take it to a different place | 18:19 |
| LouisF | arosen: there is considerable literature and research work showing that providing higher level abstractions is the way forward on managing networks | 18:19 |
| arosen | My question though is GBP really a higher level abstraction perhaps? I still see the same network primiatives in it similar to the model we have today. | 18:20 |
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| LouisF | arosen: gbp is a step is in that direction | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i think you are confusing the mapping with the GBP abstraction | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam_: +1 | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: the reference implementation mapping is one way to realize GBP | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i think you argument always starts at the mapping level | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: at which point you have fundamentally side stepped the GBP abstraction in the first place | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: there is not much to discuss in terms of differences at that point | 18:22 |
| arosen | So are we saying the mapping implementation isn't very useful? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: of course it is | 18:22 |
| arosen | "Allow for automatic orchestration that can respond to changes in policy or infrastructure without requiring human interaction to translate intent to specific actions." | 18:23 |
| arosen | can we talk about that point? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: it helps you leverage the advantages of GBP when using the neutron reference implementation (involving ML2 etc) | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: yes sure | 18:24 |
| arosen | what automatic orchestration does it do? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: that particular point was well articulated in kevinbenton's responses | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: he also gave you the analogy by comparing puppet and bash scripts | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: when you use the current neutron abstractions, you require - "human interaction to translate intent to specific actions" | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: when you use GBP, you - "Allow for automatic orchestration that can respond to changes in policy or infrastructure" | 18:25 |
| rkukura | arosen: It creates the networks, subnets, ports, routers, and security groups for you, and hooks all of these up properly to provide exactly the connectivity between EPGs described by the contracts. | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | rkukura: and it maintains the consistency of those | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | rkukura: without further human intervention | 18:26 |
| arosen | SumitNaiksatam_: why do you say it requires, "human interaction to translate intent to specific actions" | 18:26 |
| rkukura | Right, as the contracts change, new EPs added to EPGs, etc. | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i will paraphrase kevinbenton's examples for expediency here" | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | create a network/subnet for each endpoint group allow all traffic on the security groups since the logging would need to be accomplished with FWaaS create an FWaaS instance attach the FWaaS to both networks add an FWaaS policy and the FWaaS rules to allow the correct traffic | 18:27 |
| rkukura | Manually, if you add a new VM to a pool providing some service, you need to go find all the SGs that reference that service and add the new VM’s IP (or subnet) to those SGs. This is all automatic with GBP. | 18:27 |
| arosen | SumitNaiksatam_: sure i understand that's the current work flow. | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: as rkukura pointed out above, and kevinbenton's example, thats the human interaction that we are referring to | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: are we good? | 18:29 |
| arosen | SumitNaiksatam_: cool, mind showing how one would deploy this same style of app but showing it done with group based policy? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i thought you were digging into the PoC script, and we spent a couple of hours discussing it | 18:29 |
| arosen | rkukura: i showed that you can use --remote-group-id with security groups to avoid updating any ips. | 18:29 |
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| rkukura | arosen: Yes, that is one option, or you can reference subnet’s CIDRs, … | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | arosen: the point is that you don't have to choose between SG or FW depending on your needs… That is completely handled by the implementation. | 18:31 |
| rockyg | Lemme give it a try. arosen: suppose I'm an app developer and have deployed a db base app for a customer. I've created my policies, etc. Now I have a new customer and need to deploy pretty much the same on a new set of VMs. I just refer to the original policy and the networking happens. Am I naively correct here, guys? | 18:31 |
| arosen | rkukura: so i don't see why your talking about a workflow with security groups that are hard. | 18:31 |
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| arosen | going to each security profile group etc. | 18:31 |
| rkukura | arosen: I don’t think anyone is arguing that an experienced network engineer cannot do what they need with the current API, and with proper planning and best practices, do it efficiently. | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | rockyg: yes | 18:32 |
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| arosen | rockyg: good example | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | so at this point we are 30 mins into the meeting | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | one another point i wanted to bring in this context was with regards to the naming convention | 18:33 |
| arosen | why not write all of your policy in an external system like heat which is designed to do this kind of thing? | 18:33 |
| rockyg | Cool. And if I want to change the network interactions, I modify the policy and restart the networks on all the vms that use it? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: you still abstractions at the network policy level to express this in heat | 18:33 |
| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam_: I think we need to change from endpoint | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: is it fair to say we have given enough time to this discussion? | 18:34 |
| regXboi | I don't know what to | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | regXboi: exactly :-) | 18:34 |
| regXboi | but I think that's low hanging fruit we should seriously consider | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | so that was the next sub topic in this agenda item | 18:34 |
| arosen | ivar-lazzaro: also i'm not sure about your point about how a user doesn't have to choose about security groups and fwaas. These are two different points of enforcement no? | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | arosen: exactly. | 18:35 |
| arosen | ivar-lazzaro: you're saying with GBP the user doesn't have to decide | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: ah, now you are getting it | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | arosen: that's why you don't want to understand about that, but just expressing your intent | 18:35 |
| banix | did markmcclain joined the meeting os simply started his IRC client? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | arosen: i think we can leave the rest to you as a home work exercise ;-) | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | markmcclain: hi, you are welcome to join this meeting | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | so regarding the endpoint terminology | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | any suggestions? | 18:36 |
| arosen | ivar-lazzaro: If you are expressing your intent of doing enforcement at both points you do care then. | 18:36 |
| rockyg | regXboi: Edgar Magana suggested using the IETF phrasing -- enforcement point | 18:37 |
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| mscohen | i was thinking “edgar point” would be good. and we won’t have to change our slides from EP. | 18:37 |
| arosen | ivar-lazzaro: would be great to see an example using the CLI how one sets something up that in GBP that does enforcement at the instance and router. | 18:37 |
| rockyg | mschoen ++ | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | rockyg: although enforcement point tends to be used in a slightly different context | 18:37 |
| rockyg | mscohen ++ | 18:38 |
| regXboi | I was involved in the early IETF policy days, and I'm not a big from of ep | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | mscohen: we dont want to overload the terminology | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | regXboi: +1 | 18:38 |
| rkukura | I’m not entirely sure “enforcement point” is the same as our usage of endpoint | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | rkukura: exactly | 18:38 |
| mscohen | SumitNaiksatam: i am joking of course | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | mscohen: :-) | 18:38 |
| rockyg | Yeah. that's the problem with endpoint. It's right for networking, but it already has another definition in virtualization world. | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | how about network-endpoint (someone else suggested that)? | 18:38 |
| rkukura | I think enforcement point is more like the SG or FWaaS that is used to render the intent | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | rkukura: agree | 18:39 |
| regXboi | so... let's hit the thesaurus | 18:39 |
| rockyg | Rkukara, agree | 18:39 |
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| rkukura | I had always throught endpoint was the right word for both our usage and for keystone, with similar meanings, but different meta-levels | 18:39 |
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| regXboi | rkukura: if we can find something different, let's consider it | 18:40 |
| regXboi | there is enough of a hill to climb | 18:40 |
| regXboi | how about terminus? | 18:40 |
| * regXboi keeps reading synonyms | 18:40 | |
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| rms_13 | network-endpoint? | 18:41 |
| regXboi | um... no | 18:41 |
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| regXboi | I think that won't help | 18:41 |
| LouisF | policy-point/policy groups? | 18:41 |
| rkukura | group member? | 18:42 |
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| mscohen | termination-point, gbp-id, policy point maybe | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry i dropped off again! | 18:42 |
| regXboi | I think member | 18:42 |
| regXboi | unless that's already used somewhere | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was saying earlier, what about policy-point? | 18:42 |
| s3wong | #chair SumitNaiksatam | 18:42 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam SumitNaiksatam_ banix rkukura s3wong | 18:42 |
| rkukura | regXboi: Just “member” and “group”? | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 18:42 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so now either way works for you :-) | 18:43 |
| regXboi | rkurkura: too general I think... | 18:43 |
| nbouthors | policy-provider, policy-consumer | 18:43 |
| regXboi | er rkukura ... sorry | 18:43 |
| yyywu | i still like endpoint better. | 18:43 |
| rockyg | bourn or bourne 1 (bɔːn) | 18:43 |
| rockyg | 18:43 | |
| rockyg | — n | 18:43 |
| rockyg | 1. a destination; goal | 18:43 |
| rockyg | 2. a boundary | 18:43 |
| regXboi | I think policy-point and policy-group | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yyywu: :-) | 18:43 |
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| rockyg | Bourne-point? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rockyg: :-) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more in favor of policy-point and policy-group? | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i thnk LouisF suggested as well | 18:44 |
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| mscohen | +1 to policy-point | 18:44 |
| rms_13 | +1 to policy-point and policy-group | 18:44 |
| yyywu | +1 | 18:44 |
| nbouthors | SumitNaiksatam: +1 too | 18:44 |
| rockyg | +1 | 18:45 |
| rms_13 | FINALLY... YEAH | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so how about we float this in the ML? | 18:45 |
| s3wong | +1 | 18:45 |
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| prasadv | +1 | 18:45 |
| rms_13 | Yes... lets do that | 18:45 |
| rkukura | +1 | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that we dont end up picking up an overlapping terminology again | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | who wants to do it? as in send to the ML? | 18:45 |
| * SumitNaiksatam waiting to hand out an AI :-P | 18:46 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: ? | 18:46 |
| rms_13 | I can do it | 18:46 |
| regXboi | hmm? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: ah you put your hand up first | 18:46 |
| * regXboi apologies - bouncing between multiple IRC meetings | 18:46 | |
| hemanthravi | policy-endpoint ? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action rms_13 to send “policy-point” “policy-group” suggestion to mailing list | 18:46 |
| rms_13 | NO END to the ENDPOINT :) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: ^^^ fine? | 18:47 |
| banix | hemanthravi: no wont work | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: lol | 18:47 |
| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam: works for me | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: see the AI above | 18:47 |
| rkukura | I guess the acronyms PP and PG work | 18:47 |
| regXboi | let's get that complaint cleared up | 18:47 |
| rms_13 | policy-point and policy-group. Final. Lets move to another topic ? | 18:47 |
| LouisF | +1 | 18:47 |
| songole | +1 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i knew rkukura would be thinking acronyms, just waiting :-D | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah lets move on | 18:48 |
| * regXboi chants "... and there was much rejoicing ..." | 18:48 | |
| rockyg | Huzzah! | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Patch reviews | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | -2 still persists, markmcclain1 can hopefully chime on the thread on the ML and help us make progress here | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic model update | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nothing besides the endpoint naming convention | 18:50 |
| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam: I put +1s on the CLI ones earlier today - I reserve the right to change if I run into issues ;) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic mapping udpate | 18:50 |
| regXboi | (sorry about being late) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: sweet, getting to the CLI | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any updates on the mapping? | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will SG mapping separately | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | different agenda item | 18:50 |
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| rkukura | No, just that I added code to reject changing a PG’s PP in the last rebase | 18:50 |
| rkukura | I mean a PP’s PG, sorry | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice catch on that | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think that was in response to reviewer’s comments? | 18:50 |
| rkukura | yes, on the API patch | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for that | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic SG mapping update | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ? | 18:51 |
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| s3wong | yes | 18:51 |
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| markmcclain1 | sorry on flaky connection… I have reservations the API changes | 18:51 |
| markmcclain1 | the changes leak out details of the underlay | 18:52 |
| s3wong | still working on the patch, hopefully will send out a first patch sometimes this week (or weekend) | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: which API changes? | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: great, thanks | 18:52 |
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| banix | marun: hi | 18:52 |
| s3wong | markmcclain1: please elaborate | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: this is the GBP meeting | 18:53 |
| marun | banix: hi | 18:53 |
| markmcclain1 | oops repasted wrong response | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: np, guessed as much | 18:53 |
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| markmcclain1 | so on the GPB discussion I was on jury duty yesterday | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: for a minute i thought, wow, we are making progress here! ;-) | 18:53 |
| banix | marun: in the GBP meeting… wondering how you and markmcclain1 think of the discussion on the ML | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: we do understand you have personal committments | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: is it appropriate to hold up an entire team of people for that reason though? | 18:54 |
| marun | banix: I haven't fully caught up I'm afraid. | 18:54 |
| rms_13 | SumitNaiksatam: I will reply on this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042243.html please confirm | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: i am referring to the -2 | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: i think you can start separate thread | 18:55 |
| banix | marun: sure; hope to hear from you soon. | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: use [policy] in the subject header | 18:55 |
| marun | banix: I've been talking a bunch with rkukura directly about the issue, so my input has been in play even if it appears not. | 18:55 |
| banix | marun: i see | 18:55 |
| rms_13 | SumitNaiksatam: Fine | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps you can relay the input for the benefit of everybody, if you think its appropriate? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sorry for hijacking the SG mapping topic | 18:56 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I am done with my update anyway, please change topic if you like :-) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Input from markmcclain1 and marun | 18:56 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’d really rather marun summarize his own thoughts if he is here and thinks they will be valuable. We’ve discussed a number of things. | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: do you feel comfortable doing that? | 18:57 |
| rkukura | I don’t want to put words in his mouth he didn’t say | 18:57 |
| marun | Well, I've said alot of things. | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure, i just asked because marun seemed to indicate that you were on the same page | 18:57 |
| rkukura | One area we’ve discussed is setting expectations properly about the stability of the API in an initial release | 18:57 |
| marun | Right | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura marun: agree | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe that is the case with every new extension we add | 18:58 |
| marun | Allowing a new and as-yet unproven api into the tree would require some groundwork that hasn't been done yet. | 18:58 |
| marun | We'd have to be able to address Mark's concerns about having to support unstable API's (and slowing down evolution in the process) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: how is it different from any other extension that has been introduced in neutron? | 18:58 |
| rkukura | But it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve done it, either | 18:59 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I'm afraid we're playing catch-up here. | 18:59 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: The impression outside of the project is that things like lbass, vpnaas, and fwaas have been stabilized too soon. | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: well, to some extent i can definitely say that we have tried to incorporate from those past experiences | 18:59 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Whether or not we as a project believe that to be true, I think we need to consider that feedback. | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: sure | 19:00 |
| markmcclain | so I've switched to a more stable conneciton… I'm actually working on a refinement to the plan | 19:00 |
| markmcclain | that incorporates lots of feedback I've gotten and addresses LBaaSv2 too | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have hit the hour, but we can continue until we are kicked out | 19:00 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Going forward, I think we need to make sure that new APIs and features can continue to evolve and don't impose the burden of stabilization. | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: seems like a reasonable thing to state | 19:00 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I don't think this problem is unique to group policy, but we're having to confront it as part of the initiative. | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i am not too comfortable with you, as one person, making the plans for the rest of the project | 19:01 |
| marun | The details of how we accomplish these goals would have to be determined. | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i am referring to - “I'm actually working on a refinement to the plan" | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: we are having a discussion on the ML | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: please participate | 19:02 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: He can propose plans. And we as a community will give feedback and ultimately decide what to do. | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: the plan has to evolve | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: it cannot be one person handing out things | 19:02 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Let's be clear - Mark is not acting alone. | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and while at that we dont have the luxury of infinite time here | 19:02 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: it is.. there were 90+ messages to catch up while on jury duty | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1. Also, this kind of planning should be referred to the next release without blocking what is already approved and implemented | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can already see you coming back in a couple of weeks and saying that its too late now to review and i am goint to put a -2 | 19:03 |
| rkukura | Not sure if its at all related to markmcclain’s plan, but marun, myself, and a couple others have kicked around the idea of labeling a feature as a “preview” until its API is declared stable. It would still be in-tree, subject to normal reviews, etc.. | 19:03 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: sorry, that's not what's going to happen. | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i totally sympathize with you, and appreciate you personal situation | 19:03 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: my plan would deal with all preview eligible APIs which is more than just policy | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: however you have blocked this effort for more than a month | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: without providing a single reason | 19:04 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: As I've expressed to rkukura, Mark is not blocking this out of being obstinate. | 19:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: as long as it's a community decision… I'm telling my point of view. | 19:04 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: sorry I don't regret working to find a community solution to a very real problem | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: and utilimately you come up with an unreasonable proposal to throw the whole thing under the bus | 19:04 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: He is the roadblock you see, but he has weight of numbers behind him whether you want to recognize it or not. | 19:04 |
| regXboi | whoa folks | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: what numbers are talking here? | 19:05 |
| regXboi | let's back up | 19:05 |
| banix | markmcclain: Mark, could you tell us a bit more about the revised plan you are going to suggest | 19:05 |
| rms_13 | +1 regXboi | 19:05 |
| salv-orlando | from what I gather it seems unfair to blame a single person for the sticky -2 on the patch. If it weren’t him it probably were somebody else. | 19:05 |
| regXboi | I'm interested in hearing what the proposal is? | 19:05 |
| regXboi | banix: +1 | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: markmcclain marun: my point is not about the people | 19:05 |
| banix | yeah lets get back to the proposal | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my point is about the process | 19:06 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: All the folks that have issues with this initiative whose voices are being ignored in favor of those that support it. | 19:06 |
| markmcclain | regXboi, banix: it's been something I've working on today | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi banix: yes sure | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: that is a blatantly incorrect statement | 19:06 |
| markmcclain | it also clarifies lots of process items | 19:06 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: If you don't think that this is true, then you are uninformed. | 19:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 for the process | 19:06 |
| regXboi | markmcclain: please go on | 19:06 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: It matters if you want to understand why this initiative is not moving forward as quickly as you would like. | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: yes please go on | 19:06 |
| regXboi | I'm curious to hear it, even in draft form... | 19:06 |
| salv-orlando | SumitNaiksatam: I hope so… actually I’m quite sure of that, but it’s still good to remind that it’s not about blaming individual. If that was the case, we would have eliminated markmcclain with potassium cyanide back in Atl | 19:07 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: This group does bear some responsibility for the situation they are in, whether it wants to recognize that or not. | 19:07 |
| markmcclain | I'll post it later today after finishing up the details | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: agree 100%, its not about blaming individual | 19:07 |
| * regXboi is slightly disappointed, his curiosity was piqued | 19:07 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: i am still at a loss to understand | 19:07 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: That's kind of the point. | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does anyone else here know what marun is referring to? | 19:08 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: You've been a core for how long? | 19:08 |
| rockyg | markmcclain: Can you give a quick outline, and would it allow GBP in the release? | 19:08 |
| markmcclain | understand everyone wants to see it, but I'd prefer to have a more intact proposal a sketch with lots of gaps | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: how is that relevant? | 19:08 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: With respect, there are trust and relationship issues around this initiative that are causing lots of friction. | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: are we getting personal details now? | 19:08 |
| salv-orlando | I see a lot of argument, more or less opinionated, pro and cons this new API. Am I allowed to ask something as somebody who simply doesn’t care? | 19:08 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: No, it's simply an observation that open source is a messy human business. | 19:08 |
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| regXboi | markmcclain: oh well, understood | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: please | 19:09 |
| banix | ok i think let’s have this discussion on ML after markmcclain posts his comments | 19:09 |
| salv-orlando | who loses if this is delayed for further discussion? | 19:09 |
| salv-orlando | I mean is this going to hurt the user commnity? | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just a note to everyone, that we are past the meeting time, 10 mins over | 19:09 |
| salv-orlando | SumitNaiksatam: sorry I did not even realized this was the meeting channel | 19:09 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: there were several posts to the ML from folks who (I believe) are not here but are looking for GP to land in Juno | 19:09 |
| marun | I'm not committed to having it in vs out of the tree at this point. | 19:09 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: as you said let’s talk more unless there is another meeting | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: no worries, we are waiting until we get kicked out | 19:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | regXboi: +1. A lot of them. | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: but i just wanted to make the process point that we are over | 19:10 |
| regXboi | "are not here" meaning "did not contribute to this process" | 19:10 |
| regXboi | gack! s/process/project/ | 19:10 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes, thanks. | 19:10 |
| salv-orlando | ok so we have active users relying on this feature to be available in trunk in juno for their deployments? | 19:10 |
| marun | But we need to solve the problem I spoke of earlier - minimizing the maintenance burden of an unstable api and allow it to evolve with minimal friction - if it is to go into the tree this cycle. | 19:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | regXboi: not sure if they are taken into account though, together with all the work done to get this in place. | 19:10 |
| marun | If we don't have an answer for this, then no, I don't think it should be merged. | 19:11 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: I believe I can say that | 19:11 |
| salv-orlando | we have some brave users out there ;) | 19:11 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: I believe I can say that I am planning on using it as an operator, not as a vendor | 19:11 |
| regXboi | if it lands in Juno, that is | 19:11 |
| regXboi | if it doesn't then I have to go find another solution | 19:11 |
| marun | regXboi: echo chamber, much? | 19:11 |
| banix | marun: how do you do that if in the tree? | 19:11 |
| regXboi | marun: didn't get the reference, sorry | 19:12 |
| banix | marun: i mean minimizing the maintenance | 19:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: So you propose to do bug fixing in tree and literally everything else out of tree? | 19:12 |
| marun | banix: One possibility would be putting it into an 'experimental' subtree, and an 'experimental' rest path. | 19:12 |
| * regXboi not at best form - too many nights chasing defects | 19:12 | |
| marun | banix: This would allow us to clearly demarcate efforts that haven't been finalized, so that we wouldn't have to provide full support. | 19:12 |
| banix | marun: is there any other project that do this? | 19:13 |
| salv-orlando | regXboi: just saying, we’ve used stuff that was delayed off trunk in the past. But maybe our cloud is small and more manageable, so picking a package from somewhere else is easier. | 19:13 |
| marun | banix: No. Projects like nova are better at saying 'no'. | 19:13 |
| rms_13 | marun: wouldnt that approach open up a kitchen sync for future? | 19:13 |
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| regXboi | salv-orlando: yeah, I have all sorts of gates to go through if this lands outside the tree | 19:13 |
| marun | rms_13: We need to be able to fail-fast as per Mark's email. | 19:13 |
| regXboi | not that I can't go through them | 19:13 |
| regXboi | it just becomes a whole different ball game | 19:14 |
| regXboi | but that's neither here nor there | 19:14 |
| marun | rms_13: We could do it out of tree, as he suggests, but then re-integration is a problem (as you've experienced) | 19:14 |
| rkukura | marun: The subtree the kind of thing you and I were discussing, and I could support this if labeled something like “preview” instead of “experimental” and if it really targets code that is working its way towards a stable API and does not end up being a long-term place to dump code. | 19:14 |
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| regXboi | rkukura: +1 | 19:14 |
| marun | rms_13: Ideally we would figure out a way to iterate faster in the tree but not accept a feature as something we want to keep until it's considered 'fully baked' | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i like the preview terminology | 19:14 |
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| regXboi | marun: I could live with the idea rkukura just stated | 19:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: +1 | 19:15 |
| mscohen | +1 rkukura. I think this is good for neutron in general to have. and works for this project. | 19:15 |
| regXboi | markmcclain: you still around? | 19:15 |
| marun | I don't think the term is important, just the fact that things are clearly identified so there is no confusion on the part of users or developers. | 19:15 |
| rockyg | I think the key will be how to schedule the integration testing so that it stays sync'ed | 19:15 |
| rms_13 | marun: I understand but than what about services? Do they fall in the same bucket as well? | 19:15 |
| marun | rockyg: for out-of-tree? | 19:16 |
| marun | rms_13: it could be for anything we want time to stabilize | 19:16 |
| marun | rms_13: clearly there would be limitations though, since some changes would be very invasive | 19:16 |
| salv-orlando | what the technical difference when it comes to building a release between a subtree and another repository? | 19:16 |
| rms_13 | marun: I understand that. But do we take action on them is the question. LBaaS, FWaas, VPNaas? | 19:16 |
| rms_13 | salv-orlando: +1 to question | 19:17 |
| rockyg | marun: for branch. You are trying to limit maintenance, so I owuld think that you would either have triggers for when something in the branch gets merged, or maybe a long job, or nightly/weekly | 19:17 |
| marun | I would expect, over time, that the need for modularity between subsystems would become obvious, and make it easier to make changes that would otherwise be invasive | 19:17 |
| arosen | fwiw the nova-docker virt driver was pulled out of the nova tree and you can plug it into nova very easily. I don't see why this can't work in a similar way. | 19:17 |
| marun | rockyg: you're talking about out-of-tree development? | 19:17 |
| marun | arosen: well, we need a stable api | 19:17 |
| marun | arosen: does docker introduce api changes? | 19:18 |
| salv-orlando | marun: it’s a nova compute driver pretty much | 19:18 |
| regXboi | hey all, wonderful discussion, but I gotta run (escalation calls) ... I'll check the minutes later | 19:18 |
| rockyg | marun: no, just if there is a branch, would you want to run main integration for every review? | 19:18 |
| regXboi | and the ML | 19:18 |
| marun | arosen: I mean, we can already support out-of-tree plugins and drivers. Is it as easy to add neutron services or extensions? | 19:18 |
| arosen | marun: I don't really see how an api couldn't be loaded in a similar way | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: thanks for joining | 19:18 |
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| arosen | the extension frame work in neutron actually has support for loading things through PATHS | 19:18 |
| marun | arosen: uh | 19:18 |
| rkukura | Anything that was significantly invasive could be considered for future cycles. For the existing BPs that introduce new APIs that need to get into early adopters hands so they can stability, I hope we can come up with something simple but effective enough. | 19:19 |
| arosen | marun: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/etc/neutron.conf#L52 | 19:19 |
| salv-orlando | marun, arosen: I think we’ve been running 2 extensions like that until they merged in master | 19:19 |
| rkukura | s/stability/stabilize/ | 19:19 |
| marun | rkukura: I don't think we can compromise on the need for separation. | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, so are we converging on the “preview” option that marun and rkukura are talking about? | 19:19 |
| * salv-orlando we as our team | 19:19 | |
| marun | salv-orlando: so does that imply that group policy could be distributed in its current form out-of-tree? | 19:19 |
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| salv-orlando | I don’t know all the technical details and how entangled it is with other db models for instance | 19:20 |
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| rkukura | I think we are talking in-tree, aren’t we? | 19:20 |
| arosen | marun: Sure I see now reason why you can't plug anything into neutron that is out of tree this way. | 19:20 |
| salv-orlando | we need a developer to comment on that | 19:20 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I think you need feedback from more than just the participants here to move forward in that way. | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: completely agree | 19:20 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: this meeting != the community that it impacts | 19:20 |
| arosen | set core_plugin or service_plugin to the path and it loads | 19:20 |
| banix | are we atlking about vendor-specific extensions? | 19:20 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: I’d say it feasible but I can’t say how long it will take | 19:20 |
| rockyg | Marun, So, suppose you run the branch like a 3rd party CI for voting on changes to main, but don't test reviews of the branch against main until the approve stage? Trying to save on nodepool bw | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: i was just going to say that we can take this option to the mailing list | 19:20 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: assumign that we have some level of consensus here | 19:21 |
| marun | rockyg: that's out-of-tree, though. | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: just trying to find out if we at least have consensus here | 19:21 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: fair enough, my apologies | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: may be not consensus, just in some lose form | 19:21 |
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| rkukura | As features aproach becoming stable APIs, we absolutely need them to be run as part of normal testing of the tree, so anything that breaks them is detected. | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: no need to apologize, i did not take it negativel | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *negatively | 19:21 |
| marun | rkukura: I think they need the same testing as early as possible | 19:22 |
| rockyg | Marun: no, it's in tree, but like the stable branches | 19:22 |
| arosen | rockyg: i don't think this has anything to do with nodepool | 19:22 |
| marun | rkukura: we can add integration testing in-tree, if we want to btw | 19:22 |
| marun | rockyg: out-of-tree or feature branches are not a good idea except for things that can be distributed separately (plugins, drivers, etc) | 19:22 |
| rockyg | marun: ++ | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we would love to experiment with that approach the integration testing in-tree approach | 19:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: for now we are focussing on the tempest tests since that seems to be the fastest path to validation | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: and also per your earlier suggestion on this | 19:23 |
| rockyg | smitnaiksatam: ++ | 19:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i know we are discussing a larger process issue here | 19:24 |
| rockyg | sumitnaiksatam: sorry for the misspell | 19:24 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: There is some question as to whether the tests should be in Tempest if they aren't considered stable, but the same tests can exist and be run from either our repo or theirs. | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: ah ok | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: for now these are WIP patches in tempest | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: not meant to be merged soon for obvious reasons | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: but we can move it to wherever its more appropraite per the plan for the “preview” apis | 19:25 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: So long as they exist we can make them usable in whatever way ends up being necessary. | 19:25 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: agreed | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: +1 | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so let me ask again, rkukura marun do you feel comfortable bringing up this topic in the mailing list? | 19:25 |
| markmcclain | sorry was pulled away… my plan is very close to the preview idea | 19:26 |
| markmcclain | but with a lot more clarity around processes | 19:26 |
| rms_13 | how does other openstack project suppose to work with "preview" APIs? Just in normal fashion? (nova, glance, keystone OR horizon) | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: thanks for joining again | 19:26 |
| banix | if i understand it, all this will be part of what markmcclain will propose later today | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: sure, preview of your proposal? ;-) | 19:27 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: If Mark's proposal encompasses similar concepts, I would like to see that before I comment. I'm not entirely clear of all the details of how unstable APIs have hurt us and I think his insight is critical. | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: ok | 19:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1, very curious to have a preview :) | 19:28 |
| rkukura | +1 | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | preview of the preview | 19:28 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: haha | 19:29 |
| banix | sounds like we will continue this discussion on the ML | 19:29 |
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| rkukura | I’m happy to review a proposal from markmcclain on the ML today. If that doesn’t happen, I’d be happy to writeup some of my ideas on managing preview APIs and posting it for discussion. | 19:30 |
| rockyg | Wow! Progress, and interim closure? | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks! | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rockyg: :-) | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: so no preview of the preview? :-P | 19:31 |
| banix | rkukura: i think if you have any ideas, putting them out for discussion would be helpful | 19:32 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: not yet | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: is it because the idea is not baked, or you dont feel this is the right forum to discuss it? | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: sorry for pressing, i am just curious | 19:33 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: not fully committed to text | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: okay | 19:34 |
| * markmcclain had lots of time to think while in the jury waiting room | 19:34 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action markmcclain to send a proposal on GBP progress by eod Aug 7th 2014 | 19:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: lol | 19:34 |
| rockyg | markmcclain: looking forward to seeing the proposal | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: hope that AI is fine | 19:34 |
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| banix | marun, markmcclain, arosen, salv-orlando and all others thanks for joing this call today | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: indeed | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: marun arosen salv-orlando: thanks for gracing this meeting | 19:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you are welcome to stick around though :-) | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | didnt think you were leaving | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | should we go through the rest of the agenda for today? | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | people have time to stick around for another 10 mins? | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | may be less | 19:35 |
| arosen | go for it. It looks like you have the room.. | 19:35 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes please | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | arosen: yeah :-) | 19:36 |
| rkukura | ok with me | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic CLI/Client update | 19:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CLI/Client update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:36 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | we discussed the “profiled” API suggestion last week | 19:36 |
| banix | s3wong: had started his comments. no? | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i thought s3wong said he was done | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ? | 19:37 |
| banix | ok | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think s3wong is close to posting the patch | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately regxboi has left the meeting | 19:37 |
| songole | profiled API patch? | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: or anyone else to update on that? | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: yeah, just checking if there are any developments or blockages to that idea | 19:38 |
| banix | nothing from me | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ok | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so over to you songole | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any updates on the CLI/Client patches? | 19:38 |
| songole | I updated the wiki page with links to the patches | 19:38 |
| songole | I see that regXboi removed -1 | 19:39 |
| rms_13 | I have tested them | 19:39 |
| rms_13 | Atleast they look ok API wise. | 19:39 |
| songole | rms_13: any issues? | 19:39 |
| songole | ok | 19:39 |
| rms_13 | I still need to test l2pol, l3pol and endpoint | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: nice | 19:39 |
| rms_13 | oops sorry | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: thanks, thats great progress! | 19:39 |
| rms_13 | policy-point :) | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: wait, not so soon! :-) | 19:40 |
| rms_13 | name of the day :) | 19:40 |
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| rms_13 | alright....I need to head out | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: we need your horizon update | 19:40 |
| rms_13 | See you all in next meeting. Will send an email to the ML soon with name proposal | 19:40 |
| songole | How would you want to deal with mapping extension? | 19:40 |
| songole | Does it need to be part of CLI? | 19:40 |
| rms_13 | Horizon update is I will open up my WIP update for people to look at and comment | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: ok thanks! | 19:41 |
| rms_13 | If the skeleton looks good | 19:41 |
| rms_13 | we can add more resources | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you have thoughts on songole’s question? | 19:41 |
| rkukura | what needs to be dealt with? | 19:42 |
| banix | songole: you mean the extra attributes? | 19:42 |
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| songole | banix: right | 19:42 |
| rkukura | Is the question whether these should appear in horizon? | 19:42 |
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| songole | rkukura: CLI in particular | 19:42 |
| songole | extensions/group_policy_mapping.py | 19:43 |
| rkukura | Certainly in the CLI I would think | 19:43 |
| rkukura | How else would a user get the port_id from a PP to pass to nova boot? | 19:44 |
| rkukura | In horizon, it might be nice to have an option to turn the mapping attributes on/off | 19:44 |
| songole | However, this is an optional extension, right? | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think songole’s question is whether to add these as optional attributes to the GBP CLI itself | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, songole’s point about the optional extension | 19:45 |
| rkukura | We currently don’t provide any way to use the group-policy extension without the group-policy-mapping extension also being present, right? | 19:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 19:45 |
| banix | rkukura: right | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the question is in cases where the mapping is slightly different (based on the mapping driver) how will this CLI handle that? | 19:46 |
| songole | right | 19:46 |
| rkukura | The CLi should be prepared to handle the attributes as defined in the group-policy-mapping API (allow_put, allow_post, …) | 19:48 |
| rkukura | If the configured driver rejects an attempt to do something the API allows, the CLI users gets an exception. | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 19:49 |
| songole | ok. Then, I will update the CLI to take those attributes as well. | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i am wondering whether there is a pattern in the current CLI code to discover extensions | 19:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: this is done in the Horizon code | 19:49 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I don't think so. Will check | 19:49 |
| rkukura | would be nice if extensions were negotiated | 19:49 |
| rkukura | the user can use the CLI to query what extensions are supported | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if there is then one could drive this based on discovering that | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: perhaps you can keep it simple to begin with | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since like rkukura mentioned, we currently only have the reference mapping driver | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay with everyone? | 19:50 |
| banix | yes | 19:51 |
| songole | ok | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok great | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Horizon update | 19:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think rms_13 already indicated that he is getting the branch out of WIP pretty soon | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the branch is #link https://review.openstack.org/93590 | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vendor Drivers | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vendor Drivers (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:52 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | has anyone started working on this; any questions for the team or any blockers? | 19:53 |
| banix | have started working on the driver for sdn-ve | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: cool, thanks for leading the way | 19:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: perhaps we can learn from your experience | 19:53 |
| banix | sure | 19:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I'm at early stage with the cisco driver, nothing blocking so far | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice | 19:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic API intercept | 19:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API intercept (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:54 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: there? | 19:54 |
| songole | we are making progress on our driver. no issues | 19:55 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, but might lose connection | 19:55 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: on the road | 19:55 |
| banix | kevinbenton: hopefully not driving :) | 19:55 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: still waiting on rkukura for feedback before opening it up | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: oh okay, perhaps we can get an update in the next meeting then | 19:55 |
| kevinbenton | banix: not while typing at lease :-) | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: okay sure | 19:55 |
| kevinbenton | least* | 19:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: thanks for joining! | 19:56 |
| kevinbenton | banix: do you want to take a look at it? | 19:56 |
| rkukura | feedback? | 19:56 |
| banix | sure will do | 19:56 |
| rkukura | I might have missed something | 19:56 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura, banix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109901/ | 19:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe kevinbenton had send an email about a week back | 19:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *sent | 19:56 |
| rkukura | OK, on the intercept! | 19:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 19:56 |
| rkukura | sorry | 19:56 |
| rkukura | I will review that in detail today or tomorrow. | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 19:57 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: thx | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Tempest tests | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest tests (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:57 | |
| banix | unfortuntely, i have to run; see you all later | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have much update on this, its still at the same patch set: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108234/ | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 19:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:58 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 19:58 |
| susaant | I have posted patches for GBP heat resources https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111417/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111419/ | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if no one has anything else to bring up, we can wrap up | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: thats great | 19:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: sorry missed the heat update | 19:59 |
| susaant | we will posting patches for remaining resources soon | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: thanks much! | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are exactly one hour over! :-) | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can just pretend that we start an hour late! | 19:59 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, i figured i missed the meeting :-) | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining, and I apologize for venting a little bit earlier | 19:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: :-) | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 20:00 |
| songole | bye | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| rkukura | bye | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 7 20:00:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-08-07-18.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-08-07-18.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-08-07-18.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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