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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 1 21:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:00 | |
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| * flaper87 o/ | 21:00 | |
| * vkmc o/ | 21:00 | |
| flaper87 | vkmc: flwang ? | 21:00 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: roll call | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:01 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | good boy | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Actions from last meeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:02 | |
| flaper87 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-25-15.10.html | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs to land redis patch | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | I believe that's done | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | right ? | 21:02 |
| kgriffs | pretty much | 21:02 |
| vkmc | the ascii thumbs up said so | 21:02 |
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| flaper87 | #info Base redis patch has been approved | 21:02 |
| kgriffs | I am in the middle of working on expiring claims and messages | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: anything critical left before we can mark that work as done? | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: roger | 21:03 |
| kgriffs | ran into a snag with trying to keep the stats counters up to date | 21:03 |
| kgriffs | so, I have to fix that | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | kk | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs to publish rough benchmark numbers, more later with redis numbers | 21:03 |
| kgriffs | and then also add a script that can be called from cron periodically to trigger the driver's GC method | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | #info Bench numbers were sent to the mailinig list. No feedback for now | 21:04 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, there are a few lower-priority work items on the blueprint we could slip if needed | 21:04 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: lets split them | 21:04 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: actually, did get some feedback from Mr. Pipes on that | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah but he asked to test with keep-alive | 21:04 |
| kgriffs | he was wanting to see the result of turning off keepalive | 21:04 |
| kgriffs | ywah | 21:05 |
| kgriffs | anyway | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | he didn't mention anything about the numbers | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | right ? | 21:05 |
| kgriffs | not really iirc | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | I should've said: No *useful* feedback :P | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | anyway, I think we should keep sending those emails | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | lets move on | 21:05 |
| kgriffs | k. I'd like to do a "Round 2" sometime this week once the redis driver is squared away | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | The agenda is pretty small this week too | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | #action kgriffs to re-run benchmarks using the redis driver | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | #topic What checks should go to the API/Storage layer? | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "What checks should go to the API/Storage layer? (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:07 | |
| flaper87 | so, there are 2 patches pending for review that introduce some checks in the storage layer | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | 1 is from wpf and the other one is mine | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | regardless on whether those patches are correct, I think we should have some *blendable* rules w.r.t where API - I mean, Zaqar's API - checks should go | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | for example: | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117706/ | 21:08 |
| vkmc | flaper87, yours has been merged IIRC | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117706/3/zaqar/queues/storage/mongodb/pools.py,cm | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: w0000t | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:09 |
| vkmc | flaper87, it's not in the review queue... so :o | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | In order to enforce this, wpf got an instance of `flavors` collection and is doing queries right from the storage driver | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | there's a way to do this from the wsgi transport | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | there are several questions we should ask ourselves | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | but the one I want us to answer now is where does that check belong | 21:10 |
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| flaper87 | Regardless on whether it's more performant to do it in the storage layer or not | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | The reason I'm putting performance aside now is because I'd like the code base to be consistent | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | and we should strive to do that. There will be cases where that won't be possible | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | Thoughts so far? | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | The other thing to think about is that storage drivers are multi-version | 21:12 |
| kgriffs | by "that check" do you yours or wpf's? | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | that is, there's no 1:1 mapping between the storage driver and the transport | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | I meant wpf's | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117706/3/zaqar/queues/storage/mongodb/pools.py,cm L104 | 21:13 |
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| flaper87 | knock knock? | 21:14 |
| kgriffs | looking | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | I think one sane thing to do is to keep API specific checks within the API | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | TBH, I'm really not sure what the right thing to do there is | 21:16 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | so, we should probably take more time and put more thoughts on it | 21:16 |
| kgriffs | I've been thinking about this more generally lately. Like, we don't do a lot of validation in our storage layer at the moment, but maybe we should | 21:17 |
| vkmc | hmm, if IIRC in most reviews we always tried to delegate control to transport | 21:17 |
| vkmc | letting storage to worry about storage only | 21:18 |
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| kgriffs | we do perform queue existence checks in the storage drivers | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | one thing that has bitten us is mixing controllers | 21:18 |
| kgriffs | I think the storage driver ought to check anything that could cause it's data model to break | 21:18 |
| vkmc | I agree with that ^ | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | so, we should probably decided if we're going to give more value to performance or consistency here | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: ++ | 21:19 |
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| vkmc | in our case performance is crucial | 21:19 |
| vkmc | how much consistency would be affected? | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: AFAICS, lots of it (with regard to API checks and stuff) | 21:19 |
| flwang | o/ | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | I mean, if we have the right rules in place, we'll still be consistent | 21:20 |
| flwang | please blame the bus :) | 21:20 |
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| flaper87 | for example: storage layer checks its data model is not broken | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | that's a good way to put it and a good way to choose where things should go | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | flwang: >.> | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | stupid bus | 21:20 |
| vkmc | yeah I think it's that is the best flaper87 | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | #agreed Checks should stay in the data plane they belong too. Storage drivers must enforce their data model stays consistent | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | Does that sound right? | 21:21 |
| vkmc | it does to me | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: flwang ? | 21:22 |
| kgriffs | sounds right 2me | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | ok | 21:22 |
| flwang | +1, storage driver should focus on the interaction with db | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | Also, I think this should go into our dev docs | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:23 |
| flwang | instead of involving too much logic | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | #action vkmc to add checks enforcement rule to our development docs | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:23 |
| vkmc | :) sure thing | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets move on | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | #topic Summit Sessions Proposals | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit Sessions Proposals (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:24 | |
| flaper87 | You probably already saw this on the mailing list | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | I've created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-zaqar-summit-topics | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-zaqar-summit-topics | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | lets start adding proposals there so we can start getting feedback from the team | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | Lets add things that we're definitely going to get done | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | WE should use the summit to discuss things that require a f2f discussion | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | and are essential for Zaqar | 21:25 |
| kgriffs | kk | 21:25 |
| vkmc | get messages by id removal is one, for sure | 21:25 |
| kgriffs | lol, yeah | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: that could fall into one of our API sessions | 21:26 |
| vkmc | kewl | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | which leads me to the next topic, if there's nothing else to add here | 21:26 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Should we start discussiong API v2? | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we start discussiong API v2? (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:26 | |
| flwang | I"m wondering is there an operation session for this summit | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 21:26 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x30bb810> | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | flwang: we could have one if there's something relevant to discuss | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | there's an OPs session | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | actually, I'm not sure if that talk got accepted | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: do you know if Oz | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: do you know if Oz's talk got accepted ? | 21:27 |
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| kgriffs | i hadn't heard. I can find out. | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | kk | 21:28 |
| flwang | kgriffs: thanks | 21:28 |
| kgriffs | wrt v2 | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | We could probably have an informal devops discussion at our pod | 21:28 |
| flwang | Catalyst IT will enable Zaqar asap | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | #topic Should we start discussiong API v2? | 21:28 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we start discussiong API v2? (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:28 | |
| flaper87 | flwang: AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 21:28 |
| flwang | so we really need to get some ops experience | 21:28 |
| kgriffs | I don't want to talk about it unless we feel like we have the bandwidth to get it done during kilo | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 21:29 |
| kgriffs | I think we could have a goal to have a "community preview" of v2 for the kilo summit | 21:29 |
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| flaper87 | If we want to remove message-by-id, we'll have to discuss v2 | 21:29 |
| flwang | may I know what's the killer feature to distinguish the v1.1 and v2? :) | 21:29 |
| kgriffs | and then take the community feedback and finalize v2 in the next cycle | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: totally agreed | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to give 1 full cycle without API changes to gather enough feedback | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: flwang ? | 21:31 |
| vkmc | +1 to that | 21:31 |
| flwang | +1, stable is always good for prod env :) | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | ok | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | #agreed lets not start working on new APIs. Lets give the community at least 1 full cycle to digest v1.1 before we start talking about v2 | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | anything else on this topic? | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | I'll take that as a no | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | #topic Graduation status | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Graduation status (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:33 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/juno-3 | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | so, the base patch for readis just landed | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: you said there are a couple of other patches that are still critical for this blueprint to be considered implemented | 21:33 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | Do you think we can get them done this week? | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | Before FF | 21:33 |
| kgriffs | yes, I will have them by tomorrow or wed | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | otherwise we'll have to ask for a FFE | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | just to recap | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | the patches are | 21:34 |
| * flaper87 STFU | 21:34 | |
| kgriffs | 1. Garbage collection / expiration of claims, messages | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | 2. Remove stats counters and just calculate them dynamically | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | that second one has to be done before GC...long story | 21:35 |
| kgriffs | then there are a few other work items on the bp that are "bonus" if we get to them | 21:35 |
| * flaper87 was going to ask if #2 is essential. It looks like it is | 21:35 | |
| flaper87 | ok | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | #info Essential things missing in the redis patch are: 1. Garbage collection / expiration of claims, messages, 2. Remove stats counters and just calculate them dynamically | 21:36 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: updates on this one: | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/api-v1.1-user-guide | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | I know there's a py33 issue on the configs one | 21:37 |
| * kgriffs has to leave in a minute | 21:37 | |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: ok, thanks for the hard work on the redis patch | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | great work there (both of you) | 21:38 |
| kgriffs | my pleasure | 21:38 |
| vkmc | thanks kgriffs :) | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: also, remember the TC meeting tomorrow | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: 20 UTC | 21:38 |
| kgriffs | kk | 21:38 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: so, updates ? | 21:39 |
| vkmc | flaper87, that bp is targeted for K and will be started after we get some feedback from the community | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | targetted for k ? | 21:39 |
| vkmc | flaper87, which is being done right now is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/document-config-options | 21:39 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/api-v1.1-user-guide is on Juno | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | Should I move it ? | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ^ | 21:40 |
| vkmc | for what I discussed with kgriffs|afk... it should be moved it | 21:40 |
| vkmc | s/it/ | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | oh ok, sorry. I must have missed that discussion | 21:41 |
| vkmc | no problem | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | I moved it to k-1 | 21:42 |
| vkmc | the user guide for API v1 is in good shape | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | we're in a better shape now | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 21:42 |
| vkmc | Catherine did a great job and we updated it to fit our current goals :) | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | awesome, I'm very glad we did this back then | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | sweet | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: thanks for leading the docs effort! | 21:43 |
| vkmc | flaper87, no problem | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | anything else I/we should know w.r.t the Juno/Graduation status? | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | #topic Graduation Meeting | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Graduation Meeting (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:44 | |
| * flwang has to leave for a minute | 21:44 | |
| * vkmc goes through graduation etherpad | 21:44 | |
| flaper87 | Tomorrow at 20 UTC Zaqar will be reviewed for graduation | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | that's the first of 2 meetings | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | During the first meeting the graduation requirements are going to be revisited | 21:45 |
| flaper87 | It'd be nice if we all attend the meeting | 21:45 |
| vkmc | count with my presence :) | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | awesome! | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | I'll be there too | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | In case some questions arise | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | I think we're not in bad shape. Some things could be better but I'm possitive about our status | 21:47 |
| vkmc | thanks | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | Now, if there's nothing else to add here, I'll move on to open discussions | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussions | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussions (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:47 | |
| * flaper87 likes gummy bears | 21:47 | |
| vkmc | haha :) | 21:48 |
| * flaper87 is wearing new glasses | 21:48 | |
| vkmc | reading glasses? | 21:48 |
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| flaper87 | yup | 21:48 |
| flaper87 | well, they used to be just for reading but things got worse | 21:48 |
| flaper87 | :/ | 21:48 |
| vkmc | boo, that's a bummer | 21:48 |
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| flaper87 | yeah | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | :/ | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | ok, I don't have any other personal and embarrasing thing to share | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | anyone ? | 21:49 |
| vkmc | I'm just thinking if there is something missing for graduation | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | Who's wearing a superman underware today? | 21:49 |
| vkmc | what is the status with Heat? | 21:50 |
| flaper87 | the status with Heat - and every other integrated project - is that they want us but they won't use us until we graduate | 21:50 |
| vkmc | ok, but they want us... which is good | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I believe zaneb updated Heat usescases with some of his ideas | 21:51 |
| vkmc | that's cool | 21:52 |
| vkmc | well, I think there is nothing else to bring up about our status | 21:52 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets talk about serious stuff | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | you should all watch True Detective | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | it's coool | 21:53 |
| vkmc | I saw it | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | not as great as Breaking Bad but it's nice | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: do you like it ? | 21:53 |
| vkmc | and now I don't know what to watch :( | 21:53 |
| vkmc | oh I loved it | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | DON'T SPOILE IT | 21:53 |
| vkmc | I won't haha | 21:54 |
| flaper87 | I still have some episodes to watch | 21:54 |
| vkmc | oh do you? DO YOU? | 21:54 |
| * flaper87 knows how to play the intro theme | 21:54 | |
| flaper87 | ... in guitar | 21:54 |
| vkmc | which episode is next? | 21:54 |
| flaper87 | I think 7th | 21:54 |
| vkmc | oh in that one...! | 21:55 |
| vkmc | :p | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | don't youuu dare | 21:55 |
| vkmc | hahaha nah I won't | 21:55 |
| vkmc | I think I'll start watching The Wire | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | 2 more great but different TV series | 21:55 |
| vkmc | I heard great comments about it | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | Undatable: SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUN | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | Mom: Not as fun as undatable but it's nice | 21:55 |
| * flaper87 writes The Wire down | 21:56 | |
| vkmc | 9.4 in IMDB ;) | 21:56 |
| flaper87 | that must be good | 21:56 |
| flaper87 | or IMDB just sucks | 21:56 |
| * vkmc looks for Undatable and Mom | 21:56 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:56 |
| vkmc | true detective has 9.3 | 21:56 |
| vkmc | you tell me | 21:56 |
| vkmc | hahaha | 21:56 |
| flaper87 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2788780/ | 21:56 |
| vkmc | sounds like fun | 21:57 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAGmC5g2_o | 21:57 |
| vkmc | is it as How I met your mother? | 21:57 |
| vkmc | (please say no) | 21:57 |
| flaper87 | nope | 21:58 |
| * vkmc sighs | 21:58 | |
| flaper87 | at least I don't think it is | 21:58 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:58 |
| vkmc | do you like How I met your mother? | 21:58 |
| flaper87 | not really | 21:58 |
| * vkmc has found a friend in flaper87 | 21:58 | |
| vkmc | (sorry to all HIMYM fans) | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | :D :D :D :D | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | screw them | 21:59 |
| * flaper87 hides | 21:59 | |
| vkmc | lol | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | ok, time's up | 21:59 |
| vkmc | meeting is over! | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | best open discussion EVER! | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | Thanks everyone | 21:59 |
| vkmc | lol yeah | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| vkmc | thanks :) | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 1 21:59:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-01-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-01-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-01-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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