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| danpb | #startmeeting libvirt | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 15:02:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is danpb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'libvirt' | 15:02 |
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| danpb | hi, anyone here for a libvirt meeting ? | 15:03 |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:03 |
| nelsnelson | o/ | 15:03 |
| sew | o/ | 15:04 |
| mtesauro | o/ | 15:04 |
| thomasem | us again. :P | 15:04 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 15:04 |
| danpb | add any agenda items to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-libvirt-meeting-agenda | 15:05 |
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| thomasem | I think the only issue we've been itching about is this shutdown issue, but that sounds to me now like a distribution issue with Wheezy. | 15:06 |
| thomasem | The only other concern is that Libvirt seems to assume /dev/initctl | 15:06 |
| danpb | #topic LXC shutdown issue | 15:06 |
| thomasem | with the shutdown command | 15:07 |
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| thomasem | but, I think rcleere or sew could speak better to that than I | 15:07 |
| danpb | #topic LXC shutdown issue | 15:07 |
| thomasem | since they've done the bulk of that work | 15:07 |
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| danpb | hmm, seems the bot isn't playing | 15:07 |
| thomasem | =[ | 15:07 |
| rcleere | like you said thomasem, I think its just a broad assumption made by libvirt that initctl will be in /dev. | 15:08 |
| rcleere | and debian wheezy puts it in /run | 15:08 |
| danpb | so IIUC, the first problem is that the setns() syscall isn't available | 15:08 |
| rcleere | Oh yeah.. that too | 15:08 |
| danpb | the patch referenced only makes sense if glibc is missing it, but the nuderlying kernel has it | 15:08 |
| rcleere | THere is a patch to stub that out | 15:08 |
| danpb | otherwise you're just moving the error slightly later | 15:09 |
| danpb | to a syscall not existing | 15:09 |
| sew | we used the patch here to get ns working on wheezy: http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2014-March/msg00082.html | 15:10 |
| thomasem | And we had to set up a /dev/initctl link in our images to get the shutdown command to work. | 15:10 |
| danpb | sew: so you confirmed that does in fact make it work fully ? | 15:10 |
| thomasem | With that patch and no /dev/initctl, it just noops, essentially | 15:10 |
| thomasem | iirc | 15:10 |
| sew | yes, our testing with libvirt 1.2.3 and that patch makes shutdown work cleanly for us | 15:10 |
| sew | from a libvirt perspective | 15:11 |
| sew | but then /dev/initctl comes into play | 15:11 |
| danpb | sew: ok, can you reply to that msg on the upstream libvirt list | 15:11 |
| danpb | or just point it out as something to be merged upstream | 15:11 |
| sew | yep, can do | 15:11 |
| danpb | for /dev/initctl, I see no harm in trying /dev/initctl and then falling back to try /run/initctl | 15:12 |
| danpb | i'm surprised that /dev/initctl isn't simply a symlink to /run/initctl on those distros using /run, but that's besides the point i guess | 15:12 |
| danpb | so if someone wants to write a patch to fallback to /run/initctl that'd be nice | 15:13 |
| sew | danpb: we can take a look at writing that patch | 15:14 |
| danpb | #topic LXC testing | 15:15 |
| danpb | it has been a while since we talked about testing, so i wondered if there was any update on CI tests for LXC ? | 15:15 |
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| thomasem | nelsnelson has been working on the tempest tests for LXC | 15:16 |
| thomasem | We've been having issues with devstack leaking NBD devices and causing tempest tests to fail | 15:16 |
| thomasem | Not sure what other issues have been run into | 15:16 |
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| apmelton | thomasem: pretty sure I've identified that leak | 15:17 |
| thomasem | sweet | 15:17 |
| apmelton | thomasem: they leak when terminating a shutdown container | 15:17 |
| apmelton | the cleanup code never gets called | 15:17 |
| thomasem | interesting | 15:17 |
| apmelton | we just need to move it outside an iff | 15:17 |
| apmelton | I'm confirming it today, will open a bug and get a fix up for review soon | 15:17 |
| thomasem | =] | 15:17 |
| danpb | great, so its basically work in progress still | 15:18 |
| apmelton | danpb: pretty much, I think we're almost at the point to where most of the tests should pass | 15:19 |
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| apmelton | nelsnelson: which tests were you skipping? | 15:19 |
| nelsnelson | all rescue | 15:19 |
| nelsnelson | all suspend | 15:19 |
| nelsnelson | for now | 15:19 |
| nelsnelson | also skipping xml_api2 tests | 15:19 |
| thomasem | I know the infra guys wanted to see our skips | 15:19 |
| thomasem | with a reasoning as to why | 15:19 |
| thomasem | Just as a heads up | 15:19 |
| nelsnelson | we're only skipping them for now to isolate issues | 15:20 |
| thomasem | gotcha | 15:20 |
| nelsnelson | Actually, I think s1rp Rick Harris indicated that rescue and suspend might not be supported yet? | 15:20 |
| danpb | right, suspend makes sense to skip since lxc can't spport that | 15:20 |
| danpb | rescue ought to be doable if it doesn't work yet | 15:21 |
| danpb | since that's merely booting with a slightly different disk config | 15:21 |
| s1rp | yeah, should be possible just hasn't been done | 15:21 |
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| thomasem | added notes | 15:26 |
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| thomasem | Anything else we want to chat about, or shall we call it? | 15:39 |
| danpb | seems, like we're done | 15:40 |
| thomasem | cool, thanks everyone!! | 15:40 |
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| danpb | see ya all next week | 15:40 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:40 |
| danpb | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 15:40:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-09-09-15.02.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-09-09-15.02.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-09-09-15.02.log.html | 15:40 |
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| ericpeterson | hiya | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 16:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| tzumainn | hiya! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| lcheng_ | hello | 16:00 |
| jgravel | hello | 16:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:00 |
| crobertsrh | hello | 16:00 |
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| david-lyle | ok, I filled out a healthy agenda for today | 16:01 |
| tsufiev | hi | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:02 |
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| jomara_ | howdy | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | #topic Release Timeline | 16:02 |
| jomara_ | "healthy" | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | So we are currently working on RC1 | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | that will run until we have closed all things that are critical for RC1 | 16:04 |
| gugl | hi | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | so we have some BPs that are FFEs and we'll talk about that in a few minutes | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | The remainder are bugs | 16:05 |
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| pawels | hello | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | I/we need to decide what is critical to make it in the Juno Release | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | of the bugs | 16:06 |
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| david-lyle | likely 1-3 weeks away | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | after that, we'll open a new rc if we have a critical issue that has to make Juno | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | Once RC1 is complete, it will become a branch and master should open up for Kilo | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | in the meantime, no bps that aren't FFEs should be approved to merge | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | I or another core may -2 your bp related changes to prevent it merging | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | unfortunately there's not another mechanism to accomplish this | 16:08 |
| lsmola | hello | 16:08 |
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| david-lyle | Any questions on the timeline, or any bugs for RC1 that anyone would like to talk about? | 16:09 |
| ericpeterson | 1363515 and 1366270 seem like the only two that could possibly be included, which are not yet prioritized | 16:09 |
| tsufiev | what does mean FFE? | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | Feature Freeze Excpetion | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | without the typo | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:10 |
| amotoki | Although I haven't filed, I would like to propose a patch to support Neutron L3-HA (high availability feature). | 16:10 |
| tsufiev | ah, ok) | 16:10 |
| amotoki | It adds just one attribute. | 16:10 |
| amotoki | Neutron side patch is still FEE but it is a community topic. Can I do this as a bug? | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: sure | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | mark it as at least a high | 16:11 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: thanks. I will file it and make sure to keep the status up-to-date. | 16:11 |
| crobertsrh | We have one small bp from the Sahara side: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/data-processing-swift-trust-auth | 16:11 |
| crobertsrh | It turns out to be a very small change horizon-wise, but I'm holding on to it until the Sahara backend stuff is ready. | 16:12 |
| tsufiev | fix for double login is not critical issue, but it has been bothering everyone for a long while | 16:12 |
| tsufiev | 1308918 | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I absolutely agree on that | 16:12 |
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| gary-smith | tsufiev +1 | 16:12 |
| TravT | +1 tsufiev | 16:12 |
| pawels | +1 tsufiev | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | crobertsrh: if it's that small, make it a bug | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | and ping me with it when you have it so I can prioritize it | 16:13 |
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| amotoki | crobertsrh: one concern is that it depends on Sahara progress. Can you take care of it? | 16:13 |
| crobertsrh | Ok...thanks | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | so I will need to release a new version of django_openstack_auth | 16:13 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, I'm all over the sahara-side of things. | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | there are a few changes built up and a couple more to get in. then I'll release | 16:14 |
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| david-lyle | region stickiness is the other bug | 16:14 |
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| amotoki | crobertsrh: thanks | 16:14 |
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| david-lyle | #topic FFEs | 16:14 |
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| david-lyle | 2 have landed | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: is IPv6 complete now? | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | or do we need a client release from neutron? | 16:15 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: yes. done | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | no client changes required? | 16:15 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: client release is not required. | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | perfect | 16:15 |
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| amotoki | IPv6 neutron support is just for CLI option. | 16:16 |
| amotoki | *in neutronclient | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | thanks amotoki absubram | 16:16 |
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| amotoki | I just updated the status. | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: thanks | 16:17 |
| pawels | to FFE "Widget to expose the metadata catalog from glance" (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104956) we have glance part just completed including python-glanceclinet, reviews are welcome ;) | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | just getting to that, thanks pawels | 16:17 |
| pawels | we have also python glance client release | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | these patches can merge now once approved by reviewers | 16:18 |
| TravT | yes, we got the global requirements merged in this weekend for the glanceclient change | 16:18 |
| TravT | these widgets use data from glance. | 16:18 |
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| david-lyle | TravT: we sync'd that is horizon's requirements yesterday as well | 16:18 |
| TravT | yep. sample data will be added automatically by devstack as soon as a merge goes through | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | so nothings blocking merging other than final reviews/suggestions | 16:18 |
| TravT | right... | 16:19 |
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| david-lyle | I would like to have those merged by sometime Fri | 16:19 |
| TravT | FYI, this is the devstack patch currently in zuul gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110955/ | 16:19 |
| pawels | many dependecies, but looks like it has happen finally ;) | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | thanks TravT and pawels for all your efforts on the glance side to see this through | 16:19 |
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| TravT | :) | 16:20 |
| pawels | ;) | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | that leaves one FFE proposal that went to the mailing list | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/cinder-qos-specs | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | lcheng__: has signed up as a sponsor to provide reviews, are there any other cores willing to sign up? | 16:20 |
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| rhagarty | that consists of 4 patches, first of which has landed. Lin has been reviewing... | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | I'm willing to sign up, but it makes it an HP heavy patch, want to give someone else an opportunity to sponsor or object | 16:21 |
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| david-lyle | I'll reach out to some other cores offline | 16:23 |
| amotoki | i think it can review but my review bandwidth is my concern... | 16:23 |
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| rhagarty | david-lyle: thanks | 16:23 |
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| amotoki | david-lyle: when is the deadline for FFE merge? | 16:24 |
| gary-smith | amotoki: thanks for your help | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: understood, I'll review as well and if we there are no issues we can merge | 16:24 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki: Ideally, Friday, but that one could probably go until early next week | 16:24 |
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| david-lyle | #topic django_openstack_auth | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | I mentioned this above, but I'll release this once the two issues also mentioned above are fixed | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | any other items seen as required for the release? | 16:26 |
| amotoki | /FYI/ I created the release milestone for openstack-auth and targeted bugs to the past releases. | 16:26 |
| amotoki | we have less open bugs now :-) | 16:27 |
| rdopieralski | I'm not sure what will happen with the js libs that didn't get unbundled -- I suppose it's the problem of the packagers | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | thanks amotoki | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | with less bugs, it must be that much better too :) | 16:27 |
| amotoki | rdopieralski: are talking about horizon side? I think openstack-auth has no js libs. | 16:28 |
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| david-lyle | rdopieralski: my understanding is most of them replace the built in JS anyway | 16:28 |
| rdopieralski | no, sorry, I didn't see the context, please ignore me | 16:28 |
| rdopieralski | I wasn't paying attention for a moment | 16:29 |
| rdopieralski | sorry | 16:29 |
| amotoki | np | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | no worries | 16:29 |
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| david-lyle | ok, so I'll revisit the openstack_auth buglist as well and make sure there's nothing else essential | 16:29 |
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| david-lyle | #topic rdopieralski talks JS :) | 16:30 |
| rdopieralski | lol | 16:30 |
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| david-lyle | As I mentioned, my understanding is that distros just gut the embedded js and have it point to the version they deliver | 16:30 |
| rdopieralski | I suppose they will just replace them with whatever version they have in the distro | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | exactly | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | I think it's no worse than before | 16:31 |
| rdopieralski | the problem is, with jquery-ui, we can't be compatible with both versions at the same time | 16:31 |
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| rbertram | rdopieralski: what about datepicker, where we are switching to xstatic and updating at same time, fixing bugs? | 16:31 |
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| rdopieralski | rbertram: datepicker is not such a problem, because we are the only ones who use it | 16:32 |
| rdopieralski | rbertram: so the distros will package whatever version we use | 16:32 |
| ericpeterson | seems like we either re-package / copy all the js libs or we place a hard requirement on particular versions | 16:32 |
| rdopieralski | rbertram: with jquery-ui the problem is that they have other software that depends on it | 16:32 |
| rdopieralski | rbertram: so they can't just upgrade | 16:33 |
| ericpeterson | I think the package / distro people can say xstatic-jquery-ui >= x.y.z | 16:33 |
| rbertram | rdopieralski: I see | 16:33 |
| ericpeterson | so if the focus is to make distro people happy, then we copy all the js libs | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: do we have a hard requirement on a newer version? | 16:33 |
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| david-lyle | ericpeterson: they just replace them anyway | 16:34 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: at the moment we still have an ancient version bundled, which is incompatible with both Debian's and Fedora's versions | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | they don't want to support the security issues of multiple versions | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: and moving forward breaks what? | 16:34 |
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| rdopieralski | david-lyle: the project changed the directory structure (twice), so I have to change the path in the template's <link> tag | 16:35 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: and the new path depends on the version | 16:35 |
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| rdopieralski | david-lyle: I suppose that's trivial for the distros to change | 16:36 |
| ericpeterson | so the packing teams replace our files.... and then this becomes a problem for us??? that ain't right | 16:36 |
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| rdopieralski | ericpeterson: we try to cooperate | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | back, network kicked me off | 16:36 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: the project changed the directory structure (twice), so I have to change the path in the template's <link> tag | 16:37 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: and the new path depends on the version | 16:37 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: I suppose that's trivial for the distros to change | 16:37 |
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| david-lyle | I think they change the path anyway to point at the system library | 16:37 |
| rdopieralski | then there are some smaller incompatibilities in there, but we won't know them until we switch to new version and start using it | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | that scares me more | 16:38 |
| rdopieralski | so the current state is the worst of the possible solutions | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | the sweet-spot then | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: do you have time to test with the newer version of jquery-ui | 16:39 |
| david-lyle | or anyone else, so we can get a handle on what breaks? | 16:39 |
| rdopieralski | I think so | 16:39 |
| rdopieralski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113184/ <-- here is the patch for the global-requirements | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | if the problems are large, we can make release dependent on getting that xstatic patch through | 16:40 |
| rdopieralski | I will upload another one for the most recent version, and try to convince zigo to just replace it with an older version in Debian | 16:40 |
| rdopieralski | though it feels wrong for me to take the side of Fedora | 16:41 |
| zigo | rdopieralski: Another what? | 16:41 |
| rdopieralski | zigo: with the version that you have -- you will just have to change one path in the template | 16:41 |
| rdopieralski | zigo: would that work for you? | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to move on in the agenda and pick this back up at the end | 16:42 |
| zigo | rdopieralski: 1.10.1 is already what I have in Debian (eg: it points to the files from libjs-jquery-ui 1.10.1+dfsg-1). | 16:42 |
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| rdopieralski | zigo: yeah, but mrunge wants 1.11 | 16:43 |
| david-lyle | #topic Allow translators to translate BatchActions https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91338/ (amotoki, dougfish) | 16:43 |
| rdopieralski | zigo: let's continue on #openstack-horizon | 16:44 |
| amotoki | This is related to translations. It force developers to do more like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91338/17/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/instances/tables.py.... | 16:44 |
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| amotoki | it is useful for translations but I believe we need a consensus and decide the direction for juno as developer community. | 16:45 |
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| amotoki | The impact on I18N team seems acceptable per today's mail in i18n list. | 16:46 |
| amotoki | I understand concern's from david comments. thougtht? | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: the impact of handling the additional translations? | 16:46 |
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| amotoki | david-lyle: yes. it splits the existing words into two or more, so translators needs additional work. | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: just wanted to make sure I followed | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | so my concern is the additional boilerplate | 16:47 |
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| amotoki | david-lyle: understood completely. I just want to move the thing forward even if it is +1 or -1... | 16:49 |
| amotoki | perhaps I think we need to improve django or gettext utils to reduce the complexity :-( | 16:50 |
| amotoki | I hope other developers take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91338/ and leave comments. | 16:51 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki: If we don't we get anymore feedback with a better suggestion, we can just move forward with the proposal | 16:52 |
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| amotoki | sounds good as translator.... ok | 16:53 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Summit Format Changes | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | so for the upcoming summit there are some format changes | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | most of this has been covered on the email, but I wanted to just summarize here | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | First day should be a limited set of cross-project session and incubated projecst | 16:55 |
| david-lyle | *projects | 16:55 |
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| david-lyle | 2 days of individual project sessions, where Horizon should have 4-5 40 minute sessions | 16:55 |
| david-lyle | topic proposal for those sessions will be done on etherpad rather than the previous tool | 16:56 |
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| david-lyle | I will post a link to the etherpad this week | 16:56 |
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| david-lyle | finally, Horizon will have a half day of unschedule time | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | more free-form to tackle larger issues, or issues that arise at the summit | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | The last topic about potential changes to the blueprint process will have to take place next week | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | #topic Last Minute items? | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | we have two minutes :) | 16:58 |
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| thinrichs1 | Hi all—it's time for the Congress meeting | 16:59 |
| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 16:59 |
| openstack | thinrichs1: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | one minute early :) | 16:59 |
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| david-lyle | til next week Horizon folks | 17:00 |
| thinrichs1 | Sorry—I thought I saw the end-meeting. | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 17:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-09-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-09-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-09-09-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| david-lyle | no worries | 17:00 |
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| lsmola_ | thanks, have a great week | 17:00 |
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| thinrichs1 | Second try—hi all. Ready for the congress meeting? | 17:01 |
| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 17:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| pballand | hi | 17:01 |
| sarob_ | Hey | 17:01 |
| arosen | Hi! | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs1 | Let's start with status updates from the previous week. | 17:02 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: want to go first? How's the python client coming? | 17:02 |
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| arosen | The pythonclient is coming along well. I believe i have all the API calls implemented that congress-api exposes now. | 17:02 |
| arosen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104375/ | 17:02 |
| arosen | I'm going through the tutorial and adding the bindings for the client commands where curl is using to confirm. | 17:03 |
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| arosen | I've gotten Jamie Lennox and Dean Troyer to help review it who wrote the openstackclient so hopefully we should be good to merge it soon. | 17:03 |
| arosen | That's all I have to report for now. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | Great! I'm excited to leave curl on the curb. | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs1 | sarob: You ready to go next? How's the policy summit? | 17:04 |
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| sarob_ | 60 plus | 17:05 |
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| sarob_ | Nailing sow | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | Down | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | First day talks | 17:05 |
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| thinrichs1 | Which projects do we have confirmed for giving talks? | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | Neutron | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | Nova | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | Congress ;) | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | Heat | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | Working on swift | 17:07 |
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| sarob_ | Abstracts should be showing up soon | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | Second day agenda looks set | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | Etherpad is up to date | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs1 | That sounds like a pretty good representative sample. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs1 | There's a waitlist, I understand. | 17:08 |
| sarob_ | I'm seeing if we can get a bigger room | 17:08 |
| sarob_ | And table mics for our remote friends | 17:08 |
| thinrichs1 | And if we can't get a bigger room, let's make sure we all decline the invite if we decide we're not going. | 17:09 |
| thinrichs1 | Table mics are a good idea. | 17:09 |
| sarob_ | I'll ping the attendees if the bigger space doesn't come available | 17:10 |
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| sarob_ | That all on that | 17:10 |
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| thinrichs1 | Thanks. | 17:10 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: want to go next? | 17:10 |
| rajdeep | hi | 17:10 |
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| rajdeep | i have been working on fixing the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1364515 | 17:11 |
| rajdeep | replaced dependency on FakeClient in python-novaclient with Mock | 17:11 |
| rajdeep | need to respond to thinrichs1 comment and close it | 17:12 |
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| thinrichs1 | Yeah—I think it's ready to go in. | 17:12 |
| rajdeep | here is the CL's link for everybody's reference https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119734/2 | 17:12 |
| rajdeep | thinrichs1 using fakes might be a better idea than embedding mocks directly | 17:13 |
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| rajdeep | this way we can change mocking framework later | 17:13 |
| rajdeep | without changing the test case | 17:13 |
| rajdeep | i guess we should change neutron driver as well | 17:14 |
| rajdeep | and also change mox to Mock | 17:14 |
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| thinrichs1 | Anyone know the diff between fakes and mocks? | 17:14 |
| thinrichs1 | I thought mocks allowed you to test an entire *sequence* of calls, whereas fakes allow you to test the results of a single call. | 17:15 |
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| thinrichs1 | So you could test list_networks(), list_networks(), list_networks() with a mock and make the result different on each call. | 17:15 |
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| thinrichs1 | Whereas I thought a fake would require the the result of list_networks() to be the same in all 3 cases. | 17:15 |
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| rajdeep | thinrichs you are right.. | 17:16 |
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| rajdeep | is our requirement to change output dynamically | 17:16 |
| thinrichs1 | So it sounds like mock is functionally a superset of fake. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs1 | I don't think we want to replace mock with fake; rather, I think we want to replace fake with mock. | 17:17 |
| rajdeep | i will give you example from neutron they used mox as a mocking framework | 17:18 |
| rajdeep | and then decided to go with mock.Mock | 17:18 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: yes we want to be able to test a *sequence* of different responses by list_networks | 17:18 |
| rajdeep | since mox is spread all over the code base | 17:18 |
| rajdeep | so shall i go ahead and follow the neutron driver model | 17:19 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm not too worried about mock being spread throughout our tests. It would be nice if that weren't the case, but we definitely want the functionality of a mock. | 17:19 |
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| thinrichs1 | So yes I'd lean toward using mocks as we do in Neutron. | 17:20 |
| thinrichs1 | But if you have a better way of using mocks, go for it. | 17:20 |
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| rajdeep | i guess will submit this CL | 17:20 |
| rajdeep | and replace with neutron driver based implementation | 17:20 |
| rajdeep | in next CL | 17:20 |
| thinrichs1 | Yes—a separate change for moving from fake to mock is good. The one you already have is ready to merge. | 17:20 |
| rajdeep | ok thanks :) | 17:21 |
| rajdeep | even in neutron driver test need to get rid of mox | 17:21 |
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| rajdeep | with MagicMock | 17:21 |
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| thinrichs1 | I don't know the difference, really. So use your best judgment. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: you've said something about mocking drivers in OS. Any opinions here? | 17:22 |
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| arosen | There is definitely a trade off between mocks and fakes | 17:23 |
| arosen | usually we can reuse fakes if we are going to be faking something a lot | 17:23 |
| arosen | but mocks are usually preferred if we only need to mock it out once. | 17:23 |
| rajdeep | fYI on moving away from mox in nova http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012484.html | 17:23 |
| arosen | In my opinion i think we should probably use mocks | 17:23 |
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| thinrichs1 | arosen: earlier we decided mocks were functionally superior. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: I was interested in how OS does mocking. I *think* I remember seeing decorators being used. Which mock package is that? | 17:24 |
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| arosen | Right I perfer mocks over mox but one downside of mock is there is no way to call order with mock. One needs to use mox :( | 17:24 |
| thinrichs1 | mox versus MagicMock, perhaps. | 17:24 |
| * arosen I believe | 17:24 | |
| rajdeep | yes i know | 17:25 |
| thinrichs1 | We do want to use ordering of calls so that for example the networks that get returned are in sync with the ports that get returned. | 17:25 |
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| rajdeep | but using mox is very complex for cases you mention specially with reset | 17:25 |
| arosen | rajdeep: mox should only be needed if you want to test that you call one method before the next one. | 17:25 |
| thinrichs1 | e.g. we test list_networks() and list_ports() and then we test list_networks() and list_ports() again. | 17:25 |
| rajdeep | ok, got it | 17:26 |
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| thinrichs1 | Time to move on. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs1 | Radu_: anything to report? | 17:27 |
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| thinrichs1 | Maybe he had to step away. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs1 | harrisonkelly, who couldn't attend, has been working on making DSE use eventlets instead of threads. | 17:29 |
| thinrichs1 | That seems to be progressing nicely. | 17:29 |
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| thinrichs1 | There were more changes since our discussion last week, which is why it's not merged. | 17:29 |
| thinrichs1 | kudva, who also couldn't attend, is still working on the builtins for the policy engine. | 17:30 |
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| thinrichs1 | It was more work than he expected because of the test reorg that we did. | 17:30 |
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| thinrichs1 | A quick reminder: everyone who hasn't should look for a datasource driver they'd like to implement. | 17:31 |
| thinrichs1 | It's a great way of really starting to understand how the datasources are pulled into Congress and then how to write policy over those datasources. | 17:31 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's do this. I'm going to task everyone with choosing a datasource driver that they would like to implement. | 17:32 |
| thinrichs1 | It could be an OS project, a proprietary service, or really anything. | 17:33 |
| madhumohan | hi all, just reintroducing myself. I have just started ramping up on the core part of congress after working through devstack and client..I just started working on a basic ceilometer datasource driver to help me ramp up. looking forward to actively working with this team... | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | Great! | 17:34 |
| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: Let us know what we can do to help. | 17:34 |
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| arosen | awesome welcome madhumohan! | 17:34 |
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| thinrichs1 | Did you know there are several of us on the #congress irc pretty much all day? | 17:34 |
| thinrichs1 | That's a good place to go with questions/comments/etc. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs1 | I'll put this in a formal action so no one forgets. | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | #action Everyone will choose a datasource they'd like to write a driver for by next week. | 17:36 |
| rajdeep | please add my name to keystone driver | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: thanks for volunteering! | 17:37 |
| thinrichs1 | For everyone else, rajdeep has done the most driver development, having written both the Nova and Neutron drivers that we have. | 17:37 |
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| thinrichs1 | Forgot my own update. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs1 | My changes cleaning up the datasource drivers are just about ready to be merged. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm hoping they'll go in later today. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs1 | I've also been thinking about the next big features we might want to tackle (i.e. before the beta). | 17:39 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm leaning toward adding (i) basic enforcement capabilities and (ii) a UI for making policy-writing easier. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs1 | For enforcement, I'm thinking we support one or both of… | 17:40 |
| thinrichs1 | (i) writing policy that describes which *actions* to take under certain conditions. | 17:41 |
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| thinrichs1 | For example…. if there's a network connected to a black-listed VM, execute the disconnect_network action. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs1 | (ii) writing policy that describes which actions are *permitted* under certain conditions. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs1 | For example, a user is permitted to connect a network to a VM if that VM is not blacklisted. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs1 | (i) gives us a version of reactive enforcement, while (ii) gives us a version of proactive enforcement. | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs1 | (ii) is roughly a generalization of the current policy.json functionality. | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs1 | Thoughts? | 17:42 |
| madhumohan | Regarding enforcement, I was thinking one way could be to just produce notifications.... (form of assistive) | 17:43 |
| rajdeep | i guess having a UI to writing policies is super important | 17:44 |
| rajdeep | and also some form of horizon integration | 17:44 |
| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: I was thinking we could implement that with the reactive enforcement version (ii). | 17:44 |
| rajdeep | this will help adoption of congress | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | The action in this case would be 'send_email' | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: agreed. arosen is working on a horizon integration. | 17:45 |
| arosen | I had a WIP thing for the horizon integration I didn't really get to far there. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: But we want more than just horizon integration. We want a GUI for making policy-writing easy. | 17:45 |
| arosen | So if anyone wants to own that component it's definitely up for grabs :) | 17:46 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: embedded within Horizon. | 17:46 |
| arosen | have you guys seen how heat templates integrate with horizon? | 17:46 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: a brief overview would be helpful for me. | 17:46 |
| rajdeep | would love to help in horizon integration, though my knowledge of django is very little | 17:47 |
| arosen | They have inputs in their template like {{IMAGE}} , {{NETWORK_ID}} and when you upload a template with those values they auto propulate a select box for you to fill in data. | 17:47 |
| arosen | so we might be able to leverage something simlar kinda today. Sorry it's probably best to take a look at it. My explanintion isn't very good lol | 17:48 |
| arosen | rajdeep: neither do I :P | 17:48 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: that would be great. If you'd rather spend your time on horizon than on the keystone driver, I'd be in favor. | 17:48 |
| rajdeep | sure, let me do some homework first before committing | 17:49 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: sounds good. | 17:49 |
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| arosen | rajdeep: there are a few tutorials on creating horizon pannels if you google around. That's what I was trying to use as a starter. | 17:50 |
| * arosen fyi | 17:51 | |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: good to know. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's transition to open discussion. Anyone have anything pressing? | 17:51 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic Open discussion | 17:51 |
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| rajdeep | arosen : thanks will look around | 17:51 |
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| madhumohan | arosen: could you share some links.. I would be interested too | 17:52 |
| arosen | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/tutorial.html | 17:52 |
| arosen | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/quickstart.html | 17:52 |
| thinrichs1 | Seems like that does it for this week. | 17:55 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks all! | 17:55 |
| sarob | thanks | 17:56 |
| rajdeep | thanks | 17:56 |
| madhumohan | I would need all the help and will hook into the #congress channel from this moment....thanks all... | 17:56 |
| thinrichs1 | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 19:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | Dean Troyer, Nebula | 19:01 |
| geography76 | Dana Bauer, Rackspace | 19:01 |
| jamielennox | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:02 |
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| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | sorry I was late, got all caught up in v3 identity reviews there | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | Doug Hellmann, HP | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | from me, i really don't have anything to add myself other than toying around high-level and not having much to show for it. terry seems to have pushed a bunch of work, so what's up terrylhowe? | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | and that summary email went out - thanks for taking a look everyone | 19:06 |
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| terrylhowe | well, it is an awful dependecy list of reviews, but maybe a start to something | 19:06 |
| terrylhowe | since dhellmann is here, I just wonder how plugins are loaded from other packages | 19:07 |
| terrylhowe | can the namespace be the same? | 19:07 |
| terrylhowe | if so, I can kill the namespace parsing | 19:07 |
| dhellmann | terrylhowe: yes, the plugin namespace is a completely different set of namespaces from the package namespace | 19:08 |
| dhellmann | any package can add something to "openstack.auth" or whatever and it can be found, no matter what package it's in | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | cool | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | so, I was kind of hoping this connection class would be the main entry point. It would have a compute, volume, network, etc | 19:09 |
| terrylhowe | earlier, people were calling it client, but connection seems to fit better to me | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | agreed on connection naming | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | I'm all in favor of putting 'client' as a class description on the shelf with 'core' | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | well, I was thinking that connection class would load another bunch of entry points for services | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | and maybe those services would load another set for versions | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | not sure how that would work out | 19:12 |
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| dhellmann | you could do that, and you can also scan the available entry points without loading them all | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | so you could look for which versions are available, then load only the one you need based on some criteria | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | some kind of lazy load would be good | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure if stevedore has a class that would do that already, but it would be easy enough to add | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | cool | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | when we get to that point, we can deal better with the version discovery issue I think | 19:15 |
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| dhellmann | sure | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | any thoughts briancurtin or dtroyer ? | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | that sounds a little like OSC's ClientManager, am I reading right? | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i like the general idea of lazy loading the available entries. i don't really have much else to add at the moment - i guess id have to maybe see more of it | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, dtroyer | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | I’m not sure how it will actually work, but I was hoping it would look to the user like we discussed in previous meetings. | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | I’m just not sure what object would be passed when we get to the resource type level | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | obj = connection.identity.user | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | I’m not sure what that should be or look like | 19:22 |
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| terrylhowe | maybe it would just be a reference to the User resource class | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | anyway, that is all I have on that subject | 19:24 |
| briancurtin | yeah, perhaps that could work (ref to user resource) | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | a versioned resource? | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, it would point to identtiy.v3.user.User | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | so if we are not allowing things from outside the repo - whats the point of stevedore? why not just import? | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | good question | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | I thought we would allow things from outside the repo | 19:27 |
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| briancurtin | i dont know that we 100% decided on that. there was a thought that it would all be inside, some thought some things might be outside, some didn't know/care | 19:28 |
| jamielennox | there was a decision at least that we shouldn't be reliant on other libraries | 19:29 |
| briancurtin | however, we shouldn't *restrict* outside things, i dont think | 19:29 |
| briancurtin | ah yeah there was that | 19:29 |
| jamielennox | i guess it depends at what point you consider that we would 'depend' on behaviour found via entrypoint | 19:29 |
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| dhellmann | would entry points be useful for allowing non-integrated projects to add connection code? | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | I'm not certain I know what would need to be loaded either. What I've found is that sort of thing comes from the app side, wanting to extend a libraries' behaviour. The only thing I see is wanting to replace something underneath, like changing the session used | 19:31 |
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| jamielennox | we have always talked about sdk as layers, from a middle layer i don't see this being a problem | 19:33 |
| jamielennox | from the most upper, simple case i think we should be way more opinionated than just let any old module provide new functions | 19:33 |
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| dhellmann | that makes sense | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | for the auth case, I could see allowing plugins to load auth settings from different places than we might imagine on our own | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | from the rest API servicing side, maybe we don't want those to be as dynamic | 19:34 |
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| terrylhowe | okay, so only from in the repo it is. Makes things easier. | 19:37 |
| jamielennox | so yes, auth absolutely - but i don't think our core case is as general as OSC where anyone is accepted | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: right…looking up the stack is different than looking down | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | so, speaking of layers, when we're ready to move on… | 19:37 |
| jamielennox | yep | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | go dtroyer | 19:38 |
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| dtroyer | I've continued the POC of a low-layer API and have gotten close to usable code. prototyping it in OSC so I can use the KSC Session/Auth bits. | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | the object-store API is as far done as OSC has, I want to do a few other APIs and at least one multi-version. hopefully ready to look at next week. | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | just wanted to let y'all know that was Coming Soon To An IRC Meeting Near You | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | it is a simple object tree of 1 class per API/version combination, and inherits from previous versions so unchanged methods don't need to be copied | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | in OSC it is able to replace the client/manager objects with the single instance | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | the Resources can easily be built on top to support the upper layers | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | nice | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | </description> | 19:43 |
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| jamielennox | sounds good | 19:44 |
| terrylhowe | maybe if it was put in a requests directory in the SDK Dean? | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | yep, sounds cool to me | 19:45 |
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| terrylhowe | Fog has a similar thing where it has a resource model and a request model | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer | yeah, this isn't unique, my problem was every time I got close I thought I was re-inventing the manager classes and threw it away. | 19:46 |
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| * briancurtin has had similar thoughts a bunch of times | 19:47 | |
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| dtroyer | TBH, I first saw this pattern in Anaconda about six years ago… | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer | and then promptly forgot it because I was a 'Perl Guy'(TM) then | 19:48 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: i think that's going to scale better than the current classmethods | 19:50 |
| jamielennox | there are just too many edge cases, the common functions would become a mess | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | there is still room for some common functions, but the freedon to skip those is there too | 19:51 |
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| jamielennox | so i want to let people know i'm away for the next 4 weeks | 19:54 |
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| jamielennox | i'll probably answer email that's sent to me, but i won't see -dev lists | 19:54 |
| briancurtin | cool. enjoy your time away | 19:55 |
| jamielennox | before i go i'll try and put down some of my ideas for the highest level interface and email you all, just so it's not a complete surprise when i bring it up again at summit | 19:55 |
| terrylhowe | thanks jamielennox have a great holiday | 19:57 |
| dhellmann | yeah, have a good break | 19:57 |
| jamielennox | i will :) | 19:58 |
| briancurtin | thanks all! | 19:59 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 19:59:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-09-09-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-09-09-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-09-09-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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