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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 15:00 |
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| mrsmith | hiya | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 11 15:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t think I actually have any announcements | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Keep an eye on the Juno release schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | We’re targetting getting FFE code in this week. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | L3 HA is getting very close. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-ovs-dvr (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: I had to miss the DVR meeting yesterday. What is the latest? | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: Swami: ping | 15:04 |
| mrsmith | we are actively working on bugs | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | swami shared a preliminary "what next" list for Kilo | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | the snat fix patches are front and center | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | getting those merged are a priority | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: The second to last one is in the gate but the gate seems to be backed up. | 15:06 |
| mrsmith | still? ok | 15:06 |
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| mrsmith | what is the status of the experimental runs? | 15:07 |
| mrsmith | should we expect them to all pass for dvr patches? | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Yeah. It went to the gate the other day and failed along with a lot of other stuff. | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: The tempest change went in. I think we’re at the point where they *should* all be passing. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | I see the firewall tests still failed yesterday on your 114410 patch. | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | :) | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | I was gonna mention | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | had the FW updates merged by then? | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | FWaaS that is.... | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe they hadn’t. Could you kick one for experimental on your patch? | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | 114410? sure | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Actually, the tempest change didn’t merge. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | It went to gate and got kicked out along with everything else. | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | ah | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | Armando has posted a review to move the experimental job to the check queue. | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120603/ | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Anything else? | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | not from me | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Thanks for the report. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l3-high-availability (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:16 | |
| carl_baldwin | amuller ping | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: ping | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | small crowd today eh? | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | Yep. My guess is the gate situation has “all hands on deck” | 15:18 |
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| mrsmith | while we have a minute.... | 15:18 |
| mrsmith | I am also starting some WIP code | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | for removing the fip_counts | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | from the l3-agent | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | I think it would help in a few areas | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | like agent restart | 15:19 |
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| mrsmith | I will rely more on more system status than python vars | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | just fyi | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Sounds like a good improvement. | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | The L3 HA patches are looking pretty good. I did another round of reviews yesterday and gave +2 on two of them. Had a few minor comments on the last one. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Hopefully the gate can open and let them in. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bgp-dynamic-routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:21 | |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: ping | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Yep, small crowd today. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:23 | |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:23 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 15:23 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: hi | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything new? | 15:24 |
| devvesa | nothing new... I've been quite busy with Midokura stuff and I have not been able to collaborate with the community as I would like | 15:25 |
| devvesa | sorry for that, I really would like to help in reviews and bugs | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: no worries | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | If there is nothing else, then I’ll say bye. | 15:27 |
| devvesa | i start my vacations today (finally) so maybe I can catch something when I'll come back | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks mrsmith, yamamoto, devvesa | 15:27 |
| mrsmith | thanks carl_baldwin | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
| yamamoto | devvesa: enjoy your vacation | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:27 | |
| pcm_ | bye | 15:27 |
| devvesa | thanks carl | 15:27 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 11 15:27:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| yamamoto | bye | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-11-15.01.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-11-15.01.txt | 15:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-11-15.01.log.html | 15:28 |
| devvesa | yamamoto: thanks! | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: have a good time. | 15:28 |
| Swami | bye | 15:28 |
| devvesa | sure :) thanks | 15:28 |
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| banix | hi | 18:01 |
| nbouthors | hi | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yo | 18:01 |
| rkukura_ | hi | 18:01 |
| LouisF | hi | 18:01 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam isn't here yet | 18:01 |
| rchuppala | hi | 18:02 |
| rms_13 | hi | 18:03 |
| Jim___ | I am new this meeting. just want to confirm this is the scheudle for neutron group policy discussion | 18:05 |
| banix | s3wong: do u want to start the meeting? | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yes it is :) We are waiting for the chairman | 18:05 |
| Jim___ | great . Thanks! | 18:06 |
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| s3wong | banix: there he is :-) | 18:06 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: start meeting now? :-) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi guys | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure, i was signed in but i could not see anyone | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | may be there was split | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 11 18:07:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apologies for the delay in starting! | 18:07 |
| rms_13 | np | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: may want to make banix chair too in case you drop out :-) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yes yes | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs banix s3wong rkukura_ rms_13 ivar-lazzaro LouisF | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there, thanks for reminding s3wong :-) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Status update | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:08 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we are going through a process of validating the patches that we have posted | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me start with ivar-lazzaro | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yup | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he has been spending quite a bit of time with testing the data path | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for jumping in | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: go ahead, cna you please update us with your findings? | 18:09 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: yes, thank you | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam, s3wong: no problems | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks for bringing up up to speed as well | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I've just pushed a rebase on the whole GBP series, together with some fixes in the DB migration | 18:10 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | and some changes in how SGs are mapped through contracts | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: and you had some success with the testing? | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The validation is going well so far, I'm able to get traffic for simple setup | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice | 18:10 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: great! | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So everything smooth so far :) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: that’s in part thanks to your effort! ;-) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you were also making a point about using remote SG ids in the SG mapping? | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: correct | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So looking at the implementation, I'm afraid we could get into some troubles when overlapping IPs are enabled | 18:12 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: right, I briefly looked at the changes, seems like you are still using CIDR/remote-ip-prefix? | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which means that some EPGs might be able to reach others even without sharing the same contract | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: yes, I want to know what the rest of the team thinks | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: before going that route | 18:13 |
| banix | ivar-lazzaro: can you post the link to the updated version please | 18:13 |
| rkukura_ | Overlapping IPs of different tenants that are completely isolated from each other should be OK | 18:13 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: I have no objection - it actually will simplify the implementation a bit | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: you mentioned that you had discussed this with rkukura_? | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: searching | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: the patch series is updated | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113775/ | 18:14 |
| banix | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:14 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: rkukura_: yes. rkukura_ -- if you remember, during the hackathon, we visited the remote-SG option, but we opted not to go with it | 18:14 |
| s3wong | rkukura_: but I don't remember the reason... do you? | 18:14 |
| rkukura_ | I had concerns | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura_: well in theory, as long as you are using a different l3_context you can have overlapping subnets right? | 18:15 |
| rkukura_ | My concerns were mainly about efficiency | 18:15 |
| rkukura_ | If using SG IDs means there is a separate iptables rule for each IP addr rather than for each subnet, then it will not scale well | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura_: can you expand on that? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: ah, so you wanted to avoid the remote SG since the SG implementation maps that to specific iptables rules | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: whereas we could be more intelligent in the way we craft the CIDRs and reduce the number of rules | 18:17 |
| rkukura_ | I don’t see how the SG implementation could know how GBP is using subnets, and that matching the prefix is a valid optimization | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rules -> iptables rules | 18:17 |
| rkukura_ | right | 18:17 |
| rkukura_ | The whole reason we are mapping EPGs to one or more subnets is to enable this optimization | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: makes sense | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: ivar-lazzaro is treating the SG implementation as blackbox | 18:18 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura_: thanks! those are all valid points | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: and if we assume that the SG mapping/implementation is optimal, then using remote SG makes it much more easier to maintain consistency | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: but perhaps the assumption is not correct from an optimality perspective | 18:19 |
| rkukura_ | But the SG implementation cannot know that all IPs in a subnet will be treated the same! | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: ok | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets think about it more | 18:20 |
| rkukura_ | We are also going to need ways to treat external subnets as EPGs, right? | 18:20 |
| s3wong | rkukura_: ivar-lazzaro: SumitNaiksatam: consensus then? Going with current implementation? | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and discuss with rkukura_ and s3wong | 18:20 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i dont think ivar-lazzaro has changed that part of the implementation yet | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, I was also concerned on how many new rules you have to add to the existing SGs when a new subnet is added to an EPG | 18:21 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I know. Just wanting to get to a decision point :-) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: which would come for free with the remote SG. But I agree that we need to look for the most scalable solution | 18:21 |
| rkukura_ | I think we can tune the subnet size to avoid scaling issues, especially with private address spaces | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, i think this requires more discussion than the short time available here | 18:22 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: yes - and I have not implemented that in update_epg (with a TODO :-) ) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: agree! | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think there is any update on the model side from me, or from rkukura_ on the mapping | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: TODO is the same as being already there :p | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: and ivar-lazzaro are collaborating on validating the SG mapping | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as we just discussed | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the CLI is being tested as we are validating this | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and ivar-lazzaro found an issue with clearing the “provided/consumed” contracts dict in the EPG | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that needs to be fixed | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe songole is working on it as we fix | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: great! | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that CLI is operational to the extent we have tested it | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: Horizon :-) | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | Yes | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | Working on your complain about horizon not starting :) | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | Should have update in 1 hr | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: sweet, it was not a complain, just an observation! ;-P | 18:25 |
| rms_13 | My VM with new code just came up so looking into it...may be I will have answer towards end of this meeting.... | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: awesome | 18:25 |
| rms_13 | yeah.. no worries...will be fixed | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: i know you are swamped with other things on your plate as well | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: so thanks for doing this for the team! | 18:26 |
| rms_13 | SumitNaiksatam: happy to be part | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure if susant is here | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe he updated the Heat patch as well, but i am not sure how complete that is | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | oh it seems like he posted a second patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120862/ | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: i know you were interested in tracking this ^^^ | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the first patch was #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111419/3 | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | everything is still documented in our wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy/Patches | 18:28 |
| LouisF | yes | 18:29 |
| LouisF | will review | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have not tested the Heat part, perhaps LouisF you can help? | 18:29 |
| LouisF | ok | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | btw, if someone wants to run devstack pointing to the above branches, the following local.conf might work | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://gist.github.com/snaiksat/0ce525f8f57f84574793 | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you might need to update the patch references and the patch set numbers | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: the above might help if you are testing Heat | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other updates we want to cover in terms of the current implementation? | 18:32 |
| LouisF | thx | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Next steps discussion | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | based on the feedback in the ML over the past week, it seemed like the stackforge repo is needed regardless of which direction we tak | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *take | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we do have the stackforge repo now: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045423.html | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we do have repos for the client and the specs as well | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is more discussion going on the same thread | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: nice! Thanks for working on this | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was an email from rkukura_ earlier today and some follow up from kevinbenton mandeep and s3wong | 18:35 |
| rkukura_ | yes, basically a last ditch effort to avoid stackforge | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: okay | 18:36 |
| rkukura_ | but I agree with others that if the community isn’t ready to invest reviewer cycles in GBP, there isn’t another option | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: i would interpret as a last ditch effort to keep the other options alive | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: it seems like for us to be able to experiment we would always need the flexibility of stackforge in parallel | 18:37 |
| LouisF | rkukura_: what are your main concerns about stackforge? | 18:37 |
| rkukura_ | I’m not convinced there is any reasonable possibility to move significant code developed outside the neutron repo into the neutron repo. | 18:37 |
| banix | LouisF: staying there for good | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: banix: can we not introduce the features that are in stackforge into the feature branch or the incubator? | 18:38 |
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| rkukura_ | I think we’d need to tear it apart into reviewable patches, which is a huge effort, and we’d likely have to make design changes as we go. | 18:39 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes, that would be essentially using other options. | 18:39 |
| rkukura_ | Reviews would want changes, would effect all the subsequent patches. | 18:39 |
| rkukura_ | So it would basically be a re-implementation in the neutron repo. | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: but it seems that we would have to follow that approach regardless | 18:40 |
| banix | rkukura_: that is one long email :) ned to read carefully after the call | 18:41 |
| rkukura_ | I was hoping we’d find a way to get the code reviewed as we develop it, rather than after its all done. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: we are already one with the code :-) | 18:41 |
| rkukura_ | banix: I abandoned at much longer version | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: at least a major part of it | 18:41 |
| rkukura_ | SumitNaiksatam: You have a point, but at least its a series of patches that have already been through substantial review | 18:42 |
| rkukura_ | at least some of them | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: true | 18:42 |
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| rkukura_ | if we take them to stackforge and then try to bring them back, we’ll be starting over on the reviews, and may need to split it into API subsets again, etc. | 18:43 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura_: well I think that the main point here is to try to get as many people as possible using it, In order to validate the model and gain consensus | 18:43 |
| banix | rkukura_: agree | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: hopefully the quality of the code matters | 18:43 |
| rkukura_ | ivar-lazzaro: I can’t disagree with that, and stackforge may be the only workable short term option | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura_: that certainly doesn't come without a merging effort, but it may happen in the neutron incubator as well after the details are set | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: if its been baked, then we can hope that it will be a shorter review cycle | 18:44 |
| rkukura_ | I think the fundemental question is whether the neutorn community wants to devote core review time at this point | 18:44 |
| rkukura_ | SumitNaiksatam: We can hope, but the “I’d have done it differently” syndrome scares me. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: yes, i think that is one of the fundamental questions | 18:45 |
| banix | i think what we need to revsist is how we bring in the rest of the community, that is the rest of the cores. not necessarily agreeing on having GBP but as what the process should be to see if we can get there | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: those two see to go hand in hand | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: agreeing on how to get a feature into neutron, would depend on whether there is belief in the feature | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: I think that part of that effort is having an implementation that people can use, so that we can get feedback on it | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: if there isnt belief, then the process probably does not work | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: as we have realized in the last cycle | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: exactly | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i think the process was followed, and no one disputed that | 18:47 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: I think what we heard at least from some was we are not convinced but we are open to explore; in that spirit we should engage them | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i believe the feedback was that people need to use this and tell us that this is useful | 18:48 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | +1 | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: true | 18:48 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes that was part of it as well. so the question is if with going through StackForge we may cover that usage part a bit better but lose in other fronts | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hence i think it behooves us to give those people something that they can use and explore | 18:49 |
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| LouisF | ODL is moving ahead with a GBP implementation - does that indicate that there is significant interest? | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I agree that we might get to the point in which the merging effort would become great… But that may be well spent time as long as we have a broader consensus that the feature is cool and that it should be into Neutron | 18:50 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: sure; all i am saying is we should continue engaging Neutron and follow up on incubator/feature branch options | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah, at least my point is that the stackforge option is not necessarily mutually exclusive | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: or for that matter any option | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: agree, those options are always open | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: good point, but i am not sure its ready, and/or when it will be | 18:51 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes, i think we can make it that way; will require us having that mind set | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: so it might not be an immediate data point that can be used here | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | stackforge is also an option to explore | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will hopefully get better understanding from having something working, and the feedback we gain that be used in how we make progress | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently we are bit constrained on the technical options | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, we are getting close to the hour | 18:54 |
| rkukura_ | I don’t see any reason we shouldn’t move forward immediately on figuring out exactly how we’d structure things in stackforge. If this seems reasonable and its not looking like any better option is going to be available, then we should merge the patches into stackforge and iterate there. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: okay | 18:55 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: agree | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so lets start thinking in terms of what the stackforge structure would look like | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we probably dont have enough time to discuss in this meeting | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one of the imperatives there is that we do need to be able to package this with Juno | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that we can reach the users at the earliest | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | +1 | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we need to factor that in | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, the above was more like an open discussion | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will not have a separate agend topic for that | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but if anyone has any other point/issue to raise, please feel free to do so | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still have 3 mins ;-P | 18:57 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: can you elaborate on remote SG? | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: it might take a little longer | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: would a follow up email work? | 18:59 |
| LouisF | ok | 18:59 |
| rkukura_ | Is our goal in stack forge to deliver an add-on GBP service plugin on top of both the stable/juno and master neutron branches? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: i guess thats open for discussion | 18:59 |
| rkukura_ | along with the client, horizon, heat, etc support? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: i mean we at least need stable/juno | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: the latter yes | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: but we cannot wait for stable/juno to be cut | 19:00 |
| rkukura_ | we’d start with juno-rc1 I’d think | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: why not J3? | 19:00 |
| rkukura_ | either way, depending on timing | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are over time | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura_: lets follow up on that | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else? | 19:02 |
| banix | thanks all | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, thanks everyone for joining! | 19:02 |
| banix | bye | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 11 19:02:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | thank! ciao | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye all | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-11-18.07.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-11-18.07.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-11-18.07.log.html | 19:02 |
| rkukura_ | bye | 19:03 |
| Jim___ | great efforts! | 19:03 |
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