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annegentleanyone here for the doc team meeting?14:01
edleafeannegentle: eating too many carrots lately? ;-)14:01
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nickchaseI'm here14:02
nickchasegood morning, annegentle14:02
nickchaseElke is suppoosed to be here too14:02
nickchasebut ti's still early for her. :)14:02
annegentleok let's get started14:02
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annegentle#startmeeting docteam14:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 25 14:02:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'14:02
annegentleI know that Lana's here in the states but they had a big release today14:03
annegentleSo it has been a while since we met last, let me pull up the old action items14:03
annegentlesee how stale they are14:03
annegentle#topic Action items from the last meeting14:03
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annegentleno action items!14:03
annegentleit's a good day14:03
nickchasehey, that's all good. :)14:04
annegentle#topic Networking Guide status14:04
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annegentlecool, we'll keep moving14:04
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annegentleI think (but need to check) everything from the swarm has landed14:04
nickchaseI was under the impression that there were a couple of patches hanging out there, but yes, we nee dot check.14:05
annegentleI think there's still plenty of lorem ipsum14:05
annegentlebut there's no remaining reviews14:06
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nickchasewell, Elke will be here momentarily14:06
annegentleElke is starting on that, nickchase? Cool14:06
annegentlenickchase: you're taking care of onboarding and all, right? Anything you need me to do for the networking guide specifically?14:06
nickchaseyes I ma, and no, I don't think so.14:07
annegentleI think we just need a minimum viable book to publish14:07
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nickchaseright, I agree.14:08
annegentleLooking at the spec, I think it is bare minimum already, so that's our goal.14:08
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nickchaseyes, so that's good.14:09
annegentle(maybe not "bare" minimum, but I just want to point out the goal)14:09
nickchase:)  Yes.14:09
nickchaseWe'll have something reasonable to publish.14:09
annegentleOct. 16th looms14:09
annegentleanything else on networking guide? Matt and Phil are both neck-deep in release too14:09
annegentleI know Matt wants to circle back to it14:09
annegentle#topic High Availability Guide - core team, repo move, move of resource agents14:10
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annegentleSo we have four core reviewers on that guide now14:10
annegentle(I think I wrote that on the mailing list, checking_14:10
berendtbut looks like they are not reviewing. there are 9 pending requests at the moment.14:10
annegentlewow 914:11
nickchasemaybe we need to ping them and remind them that's what they need to be doing?14:11
annegentleyep I will!14:11
annegentleI need to change the doc review dashboard too14:11
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berendtannegentle: already done14:11
annegentle#action Annegentle change the doc review dashboard to include the ha-guide14:11
annegentleberendt: nice14:12
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annegentle#info Need reviews on the ha-guide14:13
annegentle#action Anne to email David Medberry, Emilien Macchi, Matt Griffin, and Sriram Subramanian14:13
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annegentlenice work berendt I'll do some reviews today14:14
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annegentleAnything else on High Availability? I'm meeting with the Foundation content group this afternoon and I'll make sure they know the progrss14:15
nickchasenot from me14:15
berendtyes. the move of the resource agents.14:15
nickchaseElka has arrived, btw.  Welcome, #elkevorheis14:15
annegentlethe HA Guide is one of those "enterprise" deliverables that the enterprise working group wants14:15
annegentlewelcome elkevorheis! So glad to have you here!14:15
berendtI can take care, but I need support. I have never moved a repository or added a new repository to openstack/14:15
nickchaseMAN my typing is bad this morning.  sorry.14:15
annegentleno worries :)14:15
annegentleberendt: yeah I hadn't done the git move with history... and failed :) Sadly I had a repo that built correctly but the history was gone so I had to leave it be.14:16
annegentleberendt: but seems like it's building right?14:16
annegentle#topic Website design status14:16
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annegentleSo since June I've been working on getting a new web design14:17
annegentleNext week I'm meeting with a web designer that the Foundation identified and the description of the project is linked for us to take a look at by next Wed.14:17
berendtannegentle: I'm talking about the integration of into openstack/, not the ha-guide repository itself14:17
annegentleberendt: oh yeah!14:17
annegentleberendt: sorry, that's the move of resource agents part, which is a GREAT idea14:18
annegentleberendt: we definitely want the official docs to have supported agents14:19
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annegentle#action review the link above for the Design Project and leave comments in the document itself14:19
nickchaseSo I was reading the design brief and I'm wondering whether we need to break out the "book" and "non-book" content.  I mean, they should ALL be readable in a responsive way.14:19
annegentlenickchase: yeah that's definitely debatable. I want some things to remain books though, I really see the value14:20
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annegentlenickchase: and, the responsiveness of a book layout could come in a second phase14:20
annegentlenickchase: I feel the pain we need to prioritize is the sprawl14:20
nickchaseannegentle:  I agree, just saying that the content itself shouldn't affect what layout it goes into.  But ...14:21
nickchaseyou're right, it's a secondary issue.14:21
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nickchaseThat said, we're really only talking about the need for a new format for the output14:21
annegentlenickchase: I think it's a chicken-egg problem... until we have more page-friendly layouts, people will still write book-ish...14:21
annegentleit's interesting, as I went through it, I thought, well, we really only need one additional page layout14:21
nickchaseWhen you say "page friendly" what do you mean, though.14:22
annegentleI mean, I was suprised14:22
nickchaseYes, it's true; because it's all generated by the same tool.14:22
annegentleThe User Guide, Admin User Guide, Cloud Administrator Guide, High Availability Guide, Installation Guides, API Quick Start Guide, and Virtual Machine Image Guide can all go to a page-based layout.14:22
annegentlebut they could "not" be generated in teh same tool14:22
nickchaseBut what I'm saying is, "what does 'page-based' mean?"14:22
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annegentlenickchase: oh I want the designer to tell me :)14:23
nickchaseTrue that they don't HAVE to be generated by the same tool.14:23
annegentlenickchase: from any page, you can get to any other page, etc.14:23
annegentleSearch for "These are page features that can be enhanced in a page-based design" and look at the bullets14:23
annegentlesee if there's anything to be added14:23
nickchaseannegentle:  Ah...  that's kind of what we have now, though.14:23
nickchaseActually, elkevorheis, you've got a lot of experience with large documentation sets14:24
annegentlenickchase: yep, we do have the 3 bullets above that list, we do not have the bullets below that list14:24
nickchasedo you have any thoughts?14:24
annegentleyes, input welcomed! Before next We.d14:24
annegentleer Wed.14:24
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nickchasek, we'll talk about it, then.14:24
annegentlethe trick is, scope it well enough to actually get something done. By the summit with any luck... not holding my breath14:25
nickchaseYeah, don't.14:25
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annegentleany questions?14:25
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annegentle#topic HOT Template Guide status14:26
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annegentleI heard from Gauvain this week, we're pleased with the contributions to the RST14:26
annegentleso that's nice14:26
annegentleas an experiment, I think we're winning14:26
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nickchasealways good.14:28
annegentlethanks to Steve Baker and Angus Salkeld for their technical knowledge14:28
annegentleAnd thanks to Gauvain for hanging in there with the discussion about putting in the version14:28
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annegentle#topic API docs status14:29
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annegentleI really really wish I was further along with deleting the old content14:29
annegentleso that I can get rid of the <service>-api repos14:29
annegentleNearly there, just need to take a day and do the work uninterrupted :)14:30
annegentleand get over my fear of deleting old files :)14:30
nickchasethat's what git history is for. :)14:30
annegentleGoogle scares me. There I said it :)14:31
annegentle#topic Doc tools status14:31
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annegentleWhoohoo, released 2.1.3 clouddocs-maven-plugin14:31
annegentle#info 2.1.3 clouddocs-maven-plugin now available14:31
annegentleto me, the biggest change is here:14:32
annegentlenow there are short names for each API call14:32
annegentlethere are still lots of API doc bugs14:34
annegentlebut I think getting rid of the "spec" repos helps draw down technical debt there14:34
annegentlewe just need more people in the community to get jazzed about api docs :)14:34
annegentleOk, that's it for the agenda14:34
annegentle#Open discussion14:34
annegentle#topic Open discussion14:35
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annegentletyping, it's required14:35
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annegentleI am willing to continue to serve as Docs PTL but would love to identify people who want to learn the role. We definitely already share the management - thanks Nick and Lana.14:36
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annegentleanyone else have anything?14:37
annegentleFor the Summit, I think docs track for the design summit will be in the cross-project session track14:38
annegentleWe'll have a project pod14:38
annegentleIt looks like that's Tuesday14:39
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annegentleWed/Thurs. will be the "old school" scheduled slots14:39
annegentleand Fri. are separate contributors meetups. Each day of course there are many other things going on.14:39
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annegentleI haven't put any etherpad links on yet but we'll need to determine what we need to talk about at the summit in the next meeting or two14:40
annegentlethat's all I've got!14:40
annegentleThanks everyone14:40
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nickchaseThanks, annegentle, and everyone else!14:42
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carl_baldwinsafchain: pcm_: hi15:02
carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron_l315:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 25 15:02:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at
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carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:02
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carl_baldwinJuno RC1 will be cut sometime tomorrow.  At this point, it is going to be very difficult to get anything in the gate queue.15:03
carl_baldwinAny other announcements?15:03
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carl_baldwin#topic Bugs15:04
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carl_baldwinI don’t see any general L3 bugs that are critical for Juno.  The one I had my eye on merged.  It destroys floating ip conntrack state when the fip goes away.15:05
carl_baldwinAny other general bugs (not DVR or L3) to bring up?15:05
carl_baldwins/L3/L3 HA/15:06
safchaincarl_baldwin, as you know I'm working on the l2pop with l3_ha, finally not sure there is an issue here, still investigating15:06
carl_baldwinsafchain: noted.  We can talk about that one in a bit if there is more discussion.15:07
safchaincarl_baldwin, I'm not able to reproduce the issue I had yesterday15:07
carl_baldwin#topic neutron-ovs-dvr15:07
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carl_baldwinmrsmith: armax: Swami:  How is DVR looking?15:08
armaxcarl_baldwin: there are still a number of changes in flight15:09
mrsmithcarl_baldwin: we have a few bugs as you know15:09
mrsmithlooks like rajeev's sync fix has potential15:10
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armaxmrsmith: I’d rather avoid the locking if we can15:10
mrsmithas in, not use it?15:10
armaxmrsmith: yes15:10
mrsmithwell, there are typically two ways around sync issues15:12
mrsmithavoid it15:12
mrsmithor recover15:12
mrsmiththe locking would avoid it15:12
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mrsmithrecover has its own cost (full sync)15:12
armaxmrsmith: I understand the implications15:13
mrsmithtricky stuff this15:13
armaxmrsmith: at the moment do not have enough information to determine that locking is really the only solution15:14
carl_baldwinarmax: I’ll assign the bug to you.15:14
carl_baldwinmrsmith: The other one that we had flagged is
armaxcarl_baldwin: ok15:14
armaxcarl_baldwin: even though there’s technically no need for doing that15:14
carl_baldwinmrsmith: How is this one looking?  I saw that internal testing showed some positive results on the one-line fix you put up yesterday.15:15
armaxcarl_baldwin: any fix most likely won’t merge for RC115:15
haleybcarl_baldwin: is starting to become a bigger issue, we do have a patch up for review now15:15
mrsmiththe manual move is looking good15:16
mrsmithsome nits and splitting up left15:16
mrsmithso hard to say - functionality has been there for a while15:16
carl_baldwinhaleyb: Let me refresh my memory on that one.15:17
mrsmiththe one line fix is a more general fix15:17
mrsmiththats why I split it out15:17
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carl_baldwinhaleyb: I’ll review that fix today but I’m sure it won’t get in to RC1.15:19
haleybcarl_baldwin: thanks15:19
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carl_baldwinAny other DVR bugs to bring up?15:20
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carl_baldwin#topic l3-high-availability15:21
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carl_baldwinsafchain: ping15:21
carl_baldwinAssaf said that he would not be here today.15:21
carl_baldwinsafchain: Were we talking about bug #136547615:22
safchaincarl_baldwin, yes15:22
carl_baldwinYou are unable to reproduce this problem with l2pop and L3 HA?15:23
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safchaincarl_baldwin, I suspect a race condition around the port status....15:23
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safchaincarl_baldwin, I had the issue yesterday only 1 time the table 22 was not correctly populated15:24
carl_baldwinSo, nearly 100% failure yesterday but none today?  Was anything changed (besides the date)?15:25
safchaincarl_baldwin, so I'll try to reproduce by creating a lot of Ha router15:25
carl_baldwinOh, I read that wrong.15:25
carl_baldwinSo, 1 failure in 22.15:25
safchainno only one failure yesterday, not so much, not able to reproduce it today15:26
carl_baldwinI guess if the bug is hiding today then I’d recommend putting any detail you know of in the bug and then moving on.15:27
carl_baldwinAny other bugs that may be critical for Juno?15:27
carl_baldwinsafchain: ^15:28
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carl_baldwinsafchain: Thanks for the update.15:28
carl_baldwin#topic Open Discussion15:29
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carl_baldwinA lot of those who I was hoping could make it today to talk about work for Kilo could not make it to the meeting afterall.15:29
carl_baldwinSo, I don’t really have anything more to discuss.15:30
carl_baldwinI’ll open the floor.15:30
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carl_baldwinWith that, I’ll close the meeting early.  Thanks everyone.15:32
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SumitNaiksatambanix: hi18:01
SumitNaiksatamany other GBP folks around today? ;-)18:01
SumitNaiksatams3wong: songole: hi18:02
SumitNaiksatamokay lets get started18:02
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: hello18:02
songoleSumitNaiksatam: hi18:02
s3wongjust got back on my desk, sorry18:02
SumitNaiksatami think someone folks are on vacation today on account of the holiday18:02
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 25 18:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
banixlooks like a long weekend around here18:02
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: what holiday?18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda:
SumitNaiksatamrms_13: hi there18:03
banixs3wong: jewish new year18:03
s3wongbanix: OK, didn't know :-)18:03
SumitNaiksatam#chairs banix s3wong songole rms_1318:03
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SumitNaiksatam#topic StackForge repos and process18:05
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banixsaw the email by SumitNaiksatam on all the repos18:05
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SumitNaiksatambanix: yeah, documented it in the wiki page above18:05
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banixgreat thanks18:05
SumitNaiksatamalso registered in launchpad so that we can track bugs18:05
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: are we still responsible for our own piece? Meaning that I will at some point need to post the Contract=>SG patch on gerrit?18:06
s3wong(once all the dependencies are posted)18:06
SumitNaiksatams3wong: yes18:06
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: OK, I will be waiting then :-)18:07
SumitNaiksatams3wong: though you ivar-lazzaro might volunteer to do that, if you are busy ;-P18:07
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam s3wong: yup18:07
SumitNaiksatamor rather i just volunteered Ivar18:07
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: so I can +2 it right away :-)18:07
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: sorry!18:07
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam s3wong: It's ok for me, I'm familiar with the code and I'll have to include some changes anyway (contract update)18:07
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: what kind of timeline are we looking at --- I am guessing we want to have an official/tested built before K-Summit18:08
SumitNaiksatamso in general, as a step zero, we just need to get the patches which are already in review in neutron, trasfered to this review queue18:08
SumitNaiksatams3wong: ok good question18:08
SumitNaiksatamso in launchpad, i have created two milestones18:08
SumitNaiksatamSept 30th and Oct 24th18:08
SumitNaiksatami know very agressive, but thats all the time we have18:09
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: actually it sounds reasonable18:09
ivar-lazzaro*starts brewing as much coffee as possible*18:09
SumitNaiksatamso for Sept 30th, we have to have moved all the code into these repos (including the WIP patches for client, horizon and heat)18:09
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: :-)18:09
SumitNaiksatams3wong: whew, at least one supporter, thanks! :-)18:09
s3wongcouple nights ago a Sachi Gupta IRC chat with me at 10pm --- and it seems like he or she is interested to try18:10
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SumitNaiksatams3wong: okay, cook, yeah he/she pinged me a few times as well18:10
SumitNaiksatams3wong: thanks for taking the time to helping out18:10
s3wongso we do have early adopters, and I told him/her we should definitely be ready by K-Summit timeframe18:10
s3wongso don't let him/her down :-)18:10
SumitNaiksatams3wong: thats the plan18:11
SumitNaiksatamokay, so firstly, any questions on the things mentioned in #link
KrishnaK Question: Are there any steps to setup the environment and test ? ( did not see it here
SumitNaiksatamKrishnaK: process is exactly the same as you would if you were working with Neutron18:12
KrishnaKok. thx Sumit.18:12
SumitNaiksatamKrishnaK: but i am happy to document in more detais if required18:12
SumitNaiksatamKrishnaK: clone the repo, and then run: tox -e py2718:13
SumitNaiksatamoh wait, sorry the patches are still in review18:13
SumitNaiksatamso if you just clone the repo now, you wont get much in terms of code artifacts18:13
SumitNaiksatamthe last patch in the current series is: #link
SumitNaiksatami believe there are about 5 patches now, and we will be adding the others as well shortly18:14
SumitNaiksatamperhaps we need a wiki page to document this - #action SumitNaiksatam to add wiki page to document patches in review18:14
SumitNaiksatamthe hope is that we will be able to review quickly (since we already had several rounds of reviews on the same code in neutron), and land the patches in18:15
KrishnaKSumitNaiksatam: Thx. Will look at the wiki and follow the instructions.18:15
SumitNaiksatamany other questions on this?18:16
SumitNaiksatamor thoughts/suggestions/concerns?18:17
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SumitNaiksatamso my request is to please review the patches which are in flight, so that we can land them in at the earliest, and actually start testing a working setup18:18
SumitNaiksatam#topic IRC channel18:18
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SumitNaiksatam#info a few days back IRC channel was created for GBP: #openstack-gbp18:19
SumitNaiksatamits mostly me and banix in it18:19
SumitNaiksatamit will be nice if others join, so that we can quickly discuss and make progress18:19
SumitNaiksatam#topic Resource renaming18:20
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: +118:20
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SumitNaiksatamso we earlier decided to rename EP to Policy Targe, and EPG to Policy Target Group18:20
SumitNaiksatamthose changes have not made it to the patches currently in review18:21
SumitNaiksatambut we will add those as a set of follow up patches18:21
SumitNaiksatamso everyone still on board with those name changes?18:21
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: sure --- but you will have to forgive me if I still refer to EP and EPG...18:22
* ivar-lazzaro still likes endpoint better18:22
SumitNaiksatams3wong: :-)18:22
banixwonder if we need to make the change18:22
SumitNaiksatambanix: i agree, i like the earlier one better18:23
banixnow taht we run our own business18:23
SumitNaiksatambanix: but we still listen to the community :-)18:23
ivar-lazzarobanix SumitNaiksatam: right, but endpoint is still a Keystone terminology18:23
SumitNaiksatamthat said actually endpoint is being used in places18:23
banixbut in the long run, i think its better to make the change18:23
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: yeah18:23
SumitNaiksatambanix: yeah18:23
banixyeah agree18:23
SumitNaiksatambecause even if you run the python-client18:23
SumitNaiksatamand you do a help18:24
SumitNaiksatamit has all these things about the endpoint18:24
ivar-lazzarobanix SumitNaiksatam: I would do it in the short term if possible18:24
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay18:24
banixivar-lazzaro: sounds good18:24
ivar-lazzarobanix SumitNaiksatam: The first API we show is the one which sticks in people's mind18:24
SumitNaiksatamso if you do: neutron —help18:24
SumitNaiksatamwith the client18:24
SumitNaiksatamit talks about the keystone endpoints right at the beginning18:24
SumitNaiksatamso that tends to be confusing18:25
SumitNaiksatami realized this when i was recently working on the demo18:25
SumitNaiksatamso on “contracts”18:25
SumitNaiksatamperhaps better to avoid that as well?18:25
SumitNaiksatama lot of people suggested just using “Policy Rule Set"18:26
banixyeah i agree18:26
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: Contract really is the right word though...18:26
SumitNaiksatamso we have “Policy Rule” and “Policy Rule Set” is a collection of policy rules18:26
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: not everyone likes it though18:26
banixwe had those terms early on18:26
s3wongbanix: right we had policy before18:26
banixi mean policy rule and policy rule set18:27
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: i know that rkukura is also not in favor of changing the contract terminology18:27
SumitNaiksatambanix: ah, did not realize that18:27
SumitNaiksatambanix: so we would just be reverting back, if we were to :-P18:27
s3wongwe didn't have policy rule set --- as far as I remember...18:27
banixs3wong: we did; let me dig it out18:28
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SumitNaiksatamso that is one, and the other one is “Policy Labels”18:28
SumitNaiksatamso we dont have the implementation for this in the current set of patches18:28
SumitNaiksatambut we had planned to18:28
SumitNaiksatamand the thinking is that, the labels should actually have a name and a list of values18:29
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: labels would be interesting: it can be label associated with policy-rule, label associated with EPG (both provider and consumer)18:29
SumitNaiksatamso then its really not a label18:29
SumitNaiksatams3wong: yes18:29
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: That's really weird to have "policy" everywhere in the API... We are namespacing everything although the entry point already is /grouppolicy18:29
s3wongand in ODL model, we further have functionality names under label :-)18:29
banixgot distracted; will find the refrence later18:29
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: i agree18:29
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: but, if this is part of neutron then it makes sense to differentiate18:29
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: hence the “policy-“ prefix to the names18:30
SumitNaiksatamso back to  the earlier point of labels being actually name and values18:30
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: sounds reasonable18:30
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: I think we own "group policy" --- we have done enough advertisement that people in community hearing this would immediately associate that to our project18:30
SumitNaiksatamif we are to do that, perhaps we can this “Policy Tags”?18:30
SumitNaiksatams3wong: true18:31
s3wongPolicy, OTOH, is a bit too high level18:31
SumitNaiksatams3wong: okay18:31
s3wongI mean, under neutron/neutron, there is a file :-)18:31
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SumitNaiksatamso “Policy Labels” -> “Policy Tags”18:31
SumitNaiksatams3wong: yes there is, and those policies are defined in policy.json18:32
SumitNaiksatams3wong: resource access control18:32
SumitNaiksatamso i will let people think about this a little more: “Contracts” -> “Policy Rule Sets”, and “Policy Labels” -> “Policy Tags”18:32
SumitNaiksatamlet the team know if you have objections18:33
SumitNaiksatam#topic Policy Summit18:34
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s3wongSumitNaiksatam: we have no concern about terminology discrepancy between Neutron GBP and ODL GBP, right?18:34
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SumitNaiksatams3wong: i have not kept pace with the changes in ODL :-(18:34
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SumitNaiksatamso i dont know, its for us to collectively decide if thats an issue18:34
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: AFAIK there hasn't been any changes on ODL GBP terminology since May or June -ish timeframe18:35
SumitNaiksatampersonally i think we should decide what works best for us here18:35
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: certainly18:35
SumitNaiksatams3wong: okay, you guys attend those meetings, so you will definitely have a better feel than me18:35
SumitNaiksatamso yeah, i mean if anyone has objections, we are still discussing this, so open to changes18:35
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: used to be a big deal in the beginning, honestly18:36
SumitNaiksatams3wong: :-)18:36
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SumitNaiksatamjust want to put this renaming thing behind us for good18:36
SumitNaiksatamthought it was done when we decided to rename EP/EPG18:36
Guest40815ONF NBI arch group is using the GBP terminoloty in it models for service chaining (contracts, endpoints, endpointgroup, classifier)18:36
SumitNaiksatambut people keep coming back on other things18:36
SumitNaiksatamGuest40815: thanks, thats helps, i guess! :-(18:37
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s3wongGuest40815: Oh, really. That is good to know18:37
SumitNaiksatamso now we are going to go in circles18:37
banixyeah lets not be tied to odl terminology18:38
banixodl will be one driver at the end of the day18:38
SumitNaiksatambanix: okay18:38
banixeven though there are close ties in concepts and all18:38
SumitNaiksatamGuest40815: but thanks for chiming in and providing the reference18:39
banixwe wont be able to change those and need to adapt to requirements by openstack18:39
SumitNaiksatamGuest40815: its just that we have to make some progress here18:39
banixs3wong: ivar-lazzaro make sense?18:39
SumitNaiksatamGuest40815: it seems that endpoint/endpointgroup is not going work in the openstack context18:39
SumitNaiksatambanix: i agree18:40
ivar-lazzarobanix: +118:40
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s3wongbanix: sure - I should focus on the best terminology to gain support with the OpenStack community18:40
Guest40815ONF NBI can adapt,18:40
SumitNaiksatamGuest40815: any strong objections to what we are proposing here?18:40
SumitNaiksatams3wong: +118:40
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s3wongNow I know who Guest40815 is :-)18:41
SumitNaiksatambouthors: good to know you are Guest40815 :-)18:41
SumitNaiksatams3wong: ^^^18:41
s3wongbouthors: how are you doing, Nicolas18:41
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bouthorsgreat thx, I was please to see that ONF NBI was following GBP tracks18:42
SumitNaiksatambouthors: ah, okay, thats a good data point18:42
SumitNaiksatami share that excitement as well18:42
SumitNaiksatam#topic Policy Summit18:42
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SumitNaiksatamso the GBP team participated in the Policy Summit last week18:43
SumitNaiksatamwe did the presentation during the networking part of the agenda18:43
SumitNaiksatama big THANK YOU to all those who really slogged it out for getting the demo ready in time18:43
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: yeah, thank you all!18:44
SumitNaiksatami have posted the slides18:44
SumitNaiksatami cant seem to find the link though18:44
s3wongivar-lazzaro: special thanks to you! :-)18:44
ivar-lazzaros3wong: :-)18:45
banixi just saw it googling; looking for earlier docs18:45
s3wongthis one?18:45
SumitNaiksatams3wong: yeah, thanks18:45
SumitNaiksatamunfortunately we dont have the recorded demo18:46
SumitNaiksatamif we get the time, we will record one and upload it18:46
SumitNaiksatamanyone else wants to fill in what happened at the Policy Summit?18:46
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banixhow was the second day?18:48
banixthe workshop part18:48
SumitNaiksatambanix: unfortunately i was not able to attend the second day18:48
banixi see (and s3wong also noticed) some tasks/actions created related to gbp18:48
ivar-lazzarobanix: mainly exercises on how to model scenarios using congress18:48
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ivar-lazzarobanix: was really good, I got the impression that people were very interested in both congress and GBP18:48
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banixivar-lazzaro: ok thanks18:49
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: echoing what banix said, there are a lot of action items on how GBP works with Congress18:49
hemanthravibanix: second day folks broke up into group to come with bp and implement define policy with congres18:49
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: and for most of them, LouisF and Cathy volunteered18:49
ivar-lazzarobanix: the first gives a general way of describing things, while most of the people there agreed that GBP was a very simple way for describing policy scenarios18:49
hemanthravicongress has come up with a language, for networking congress will use GBP APIs18:50
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: hemanthravi s3wong: good to know18:50
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:51
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SumitNaiksatamanything else to discuss today?18:51
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SumitNaiksatamelse we can get back 9 mins of our time :-)18:51
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: for the K-Summit, hemanthravi, banix, you, and me would have to start looking at presentation stuff18:51
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SumitNaiksatams3wong: yes working on that18:52
banixs3wong: yes18:52
SumitNaiksatams3wong: mandeep had put together some slides18:52
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SumitNaiksatams3wong: i will add the slides from the policy summit to that18:52
SumitNaiksatams3wong: just to create a pool of slides18:52
SumitNaiksatambut, yeah fast approaching!18:53
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: based on the reception we received on the demo during the policy summit, we may want to NOT show people SG18:53
SumitNaiksatampeople done with their travel arrangements?18:53
s3wongjust saying :-)18:53
SumitNaiksatams3wong: yes18:53
s3wongseems to cause a lot of confusion18:53
SumitNaiksatams3wong: we dont have SG in the slides :-)18:53
SumitNaiksatams3wong: demo is a different beast18:53
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: nice :-) jt was in the backup slide on mapping driver, though :-)18:53
SumitNaiksatams3wong:  we need to plan that carefully18:53
banixyes regarding travel arrangements18:53
SumitNaiksatams3wong: ah okay, that was the cue for rkukura :-)18:54
SumitNaiksatambanix: you booked?18:54
SumitNaiksatami haven’t18:54
banixSumitNaiksatam: yes18:54
SumitNaiksatamits more challenging from here18:54
banixgoing 10 days before and staying 10 days after :)18:55
banixjust kidding18:55
SumitNaiksatambanix: you got me fooled18:55
banixplan to be there on Sat before the summit and return the next Sat18:55
SumitNaiksatambanix: i think we all wish! :-)18:55
s3wongbanix is traveling around Europe during that time :-)18:55
SumitNaiksatambanix: okay, i think rkukura has similar plans18:55
SumitNaiksatamalirght then, if nothing else, lets call it a wrap18:55
s3wongI will be there on Sunday and will leave on Saturday after18:55
banixs3wong: no such plans unfortunately18:56
SumitNaiksatams3wong:  cool18:56
SumitNaiksatamback to the junu-gbp-1 milestone ;-)18:56
SumitNaiksatamthanks all!18:56
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