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| annegentle | anyone here for the doc team meeting? | 14:01 |
| edleafe | annegentle: eating too many carrots lately? ;-) | 14:01 |
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| nickchase | I'm here | 14:02 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:02 |
| nickchase | good morning, annegentle | 14:02 |
| nickchase | Elke is suppoosed to be here too | 14:02 |
| nickchase | but ti's still early for her. :) | 14:02 |
| annegentle | morning! | 14:02 |
| annegentle | ok let's get started | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 25 14:02:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:02 |
| annegentle | I know that Lana's here in the states but they had a big release today | 14:03 |
| annegentle | So it has been a while since we met last, let me pull up the old action items | 14:03 |
| annegentle | see how stale they are | 14:03 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:03 | |
| annegentle | no action items! | 14:03 |
| annegentle | it's a good day | 14:03 |
| nickchase | hey, that's all good. :) | 14:04 |
| annegentle | #topic Networking Guide status | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Networking Guide status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:04 | |
| annegentle | cool, we'll keep moving | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | I think (but need to check) everything from the swarm has landed | 14:04 |
| nickchase | I was under the impression that there were a couple of patches hanging out there, but yes, we nee dot check. | 14:05 |
| annegentle | I think there's still plenty of lorem ipsum | 14:05 |
| annegentle | but there's no remaining reviews | 14:06 |
| nickchase | yes | 14:06 |
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| nickchase | well, Elke will be here momentarily | 14:06 |
| annegentle | Elke is starting on that, nickchase? Cool | 14:06 |
| nickchase | yes. | 14:06 |
| annegentle | nickchase: you're taking care of onboarding and all, right? Anything you need me to do for the networking guide specifically? | 14:06 |
| nickchase | yes I ma, and no, I don't think so. | 14:07 |
| annegentle | cool | 14:07 |
| annegentle | I think we just need a minimum viable book to publish | 14:07 |
| annegentle | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/juno/create-networking-guide.html | 14:08 |
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| nickchase | right, I agree. | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Looking at the spec, I think it is bare minimum already, so that's our goal. | 14:08 |
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| nickchase | yes, so that's good. | 14:09 |
| annegentle | (maybe not "bare" minimum, but I just want to point out the goal) | 14:09 |
| nickchase | :) Yes. | 14:09 |
| nickchase | We'll have something reasonable to publish. | 14:09 |
| annegentle | yeah | 14:09 |
| annegentle | Oct. 16th looms | 14:09 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:09 |
| annegentle | anything else on networking guide? Matt and Phil are both neck-deep in release too | 14:09 |
| annegentle | I know Matt wants to circle back to it | 14:09 |
| nickchase | No | 14:09 |
| annegentle | #topic High Availability Guide - core team, repo move, move of resource agents | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High Availability Guide - core team, repo move, move of resource agents (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:10 | |
| annegentle | So we have four core reviewers on that guide now | 14:10 |
| annegentle | (I think I wrote that on the mailing list, checking_ | 14:10 |
| berendt | but looks like they are not reviewing. there are 9 pending requests at the moment. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | wow 9 | 14:11 |
| berendt | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ha-guide,n,z | 14:11 |
| nickchase | maybe we need to ping them and remind them that's what they need to be doing? | 14:11 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-September/005227.html | 14:11 |
| annegentle | yep I will! | 14:11 |
| annegentle | I need to change the doc review dashboard too | 14:11 |
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| berendt | annegentle: already done | 14:11 |
| annegentle | #action Annegentle change the doc review dashboard to include the ha-guide | 14:11 |
| annegentle | berendt: nice | 14:12 |
| annegentle | #udno | 14:12 |
| annegentle | #undo | 14:12 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x270ed10> | 14:12 |
| annegentle | #info Need reviews on the ha-guide | 14:13 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ha-guide,n,z | 14:13 |
| annegentle | #action Anne to email David Medberry, Emilien Macchi, Matt Griffin, and Sriram Subramanian | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | nice work berendt I'll do some reviews today | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | Anything else on High Availability? I'm meeting with the Foundation content group this afternoon and I'll make sure they know the progrss | 14:15 |
| nickchase | not from me | 14:15 |
| berendt | yes. the move of the resource agents. | 14:15 |
| nickchase | Elka has arrived, btw. Welcome, #elkevorheis | 14:15 |
| annegentle | the HA Guide is one of those "enterprise" deliverables that the enterprise working group wants | 14:15 |
| annegentle | welcome elkevorheis! So glad to have you here! | 14:15 |
| berendt | I can take care, but I need support. I have never moved a repository or added a new repository to openstack/ | 14:15 |
| nickchase | MAN my typing is bad this morning. sorry. | 14:15 |
| annegentle | no worries :) | 14:15 |
| annegentle | berendt: yeah I hadn't done the git move with history... and failed :) Sadly I had a repo that built correctly but the history was gone so I had to leave it be. | 14:16 |
| annegentle | berendt: but seems like it's building right? | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #topic Website design status | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Website design status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:16 | |
| annegentle | So since June I've been working on getting a new web design | 14:17 |
| annegentle | Next week I'm meeting with a web designer that the Foundation identified and the description of the project is linked for us to take a look at by next Wed. | 14:17 |
| annegentle | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GGKTKHDMc8A0jerdv-K3ql0udnxMr-j4DlhL2Cj6kcw/edit?usp=sharing | 14:17 |
| nickchase | awesome. | 14:17 |
| berendt | annegentle: I'm talking about the integration of https://github.com/madkiss/openstack-resource-agents/ into openstack/, not the ha-guide repository itself | 14:17 |
| annegentle | berendt: oh yeah! | 14:17 |
| annegentle | berendt: sorry, that's the move of resource agents part, which is a GREAT idea | 14:18 |
| annegentle | berendt: we definitely want the official docs to have supported agents | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | #action review the link above for the Design Project and leave comments in the document itself | 14:19 |
| nickchase | So I was reading the design brief and I'm wondering whether we need to break out the "book" and "non-book" content. I mean, they should ALL be readable in a responsive way. | 14:19 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yeah that's definitely debatable. I want some things to remain books though, I really see the value | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: and, the responsiveness of a book layout could come in a second phase | 14:20 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I feel the pain we need to prioritize is the sprawl | 14:20 |
| nickchase | annegentle: I agree, just saying that the content itself shouldn't affect what layout it goes into. But ... | 14:21 |
| nickchase | you're right, it's a secondary issue. | 14:21 |
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| nickchase | That said, we're really only talking about the need for a new format for the output | 14:21 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I think it's a chicken-egg problem... until we have more page-friendly layouts, people will still write book-ish... | 14:21 |
| annegentle | maybe | 14:21 |
| annegentle | it's interesting, as I went through it, I thought, well, we really only need one additional page layout | 14:21 |
| nickchase | When you say "page friendly" what do you mean, though. | 14:22 |
| annegentle | I mean, I was suprised | 14:22 |
| nickchase | Yes, it's true; because it's all generated by the same tool. | 14:22 |
| annegentle | The User Guide, Admin User Guide, Cloud Administrator Guide, High Availability Guide, Installation Guides, API Quick Start Guide, and Virtual Machine Image Guide can all go to a page-based layout. | 14:22 |
| annegentle | but they could "not" be generated in teh same tool | 14:22 |
| nickchase | But what I'm saying is, "what does 'page-based' mean?" | 14:22 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: oh I want the designer to tell me :) | 14:23 |
| nickchase | True that they don't HAVE to be generated by the same tool. | 14:23 |
| annegentle | nickchase: from any page, you can get to any other page, etc. | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Search for "These are page features that can be enhanced in a page-based design" and look at the bullets | 14:23 |
| annegentle | see if there's anything to be added | 14:23 |
| nickchase | annegentle: Ah... that's kind of what we have now, though. | 14:23 |
| nickchase | Actually, elkevorheis, you've got a lot of experience with large documentation sets | 14:24 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yep, we do have the 3 bullets above that list, we do not have the bullets below that list | 14:24 |
| nickchase | do you have any thoughts? | 14:24 |
| annegentle | yes, input welcomed! Before next We.d | 14:24 |
| annegentle | er Wed. | 14:24 |
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| nickchase | k, we'll talk about it, then. | 14:24 |
| annegentle | the trick is, scope it well enough to actually get something done. By the summit with any luck... not holding my breath | 14:25 |
| nickchase | Yeah, don't. | 14:25 |
| annegentle | heh | 14:25 |
| * annegentle takes deep breath | 14:25 | |
| nickchase | :) | 14:25 |
| annegentle | any questions? | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | #topic HOT Template Guide status | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HOT Template Guide status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:26 | |
| annegentle | I heard from Gauvain this week, we're pleased with the contributions to the RST | 14:26 |
| annegentle | so that's nice | 14:26 |
| annegentle | as an experiment, I think we're winning | 14:26 |
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| nickchase | always good. | 14:28 |
| annegentle | thanks to Steve Baker and Angus Salkeld for their technical knowledge | 14:28 |
| annegentle | And thanks to Gauvain for hanging in there with the discussion about putting in the version | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | #topic API docs status | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API docs status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:29 | |
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| annegentle | I really really wish I was further along with deleting the old content | 14:29 |
| annegentle | so that I can get rid of the <service>-api repos | 14:29 |
| annegentle | Nearly there, just need to take a day and do the work uninterrupted :) | 14:30 |
| annegentle | and get over my fear of deleting old files :) | 14:30 |
| nickchase | that's what git history is for. :) | 14:30 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:30 |
| annegentle | Google scares me. There I said it :) | 14:31 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools status | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools status (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:31 | |
| annegentle | Whoohoo, released 2.1.3 clouddocs-maven-plugin | 14:31 |
| annegentle | #info 2.1.3 clouddocs-maven-plugin now available | 14:31 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/stackforge/clouddocs-maven-plugin/blob/master/RELEASE_NOTES.rst | 14:31 |
| annegentle | to me, the biggest change is here: | 14:32 |
| annegentle | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.html | 14:32 |
| annegentle | now there are short names for each API call | 14:32 |
| annegentle | there are still lots of API doc bugs | 14:34 |
| annegentle | but I think getting rid of the "spec" repos helps draw down technical debt there | 14:34 |
| annegentle | we just need more people in the community to get jazzed about api docs :) | 14:34 |
| annegentle | Ok, that's it for the agenda | 14:34 |
| annegentle | #Open discussion | 14:34 |
| annegentle | er | 14:34 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | typing, it's required | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | I am willing to continue to serve as Docs PTL but would love to identify people who want to learn the role. We definitely already share the management - thanks Nick and Lana. | 14:36 |
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| annegentle | anyone else have anything? | 14:37 |
| annegentle | For the Summit, I think docs track for the design summit will be in the cross-project session track | 14:38 |
| annegentle | We'll have a project pod | 14:38 |
| annegentle | It looks like that's Tuesday | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | Wed/Thurs. will be the "old school" scheduled slots | 14:39 |
| annegentle | and Fri. are separate contributors meetups. Each day of course there are many other things going on. | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | I haven't put any etherpad links on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning yet but we'll need to determine what we need to talk about at the summit in the next meeting or two | 14:40 |
| annegentle | that's all I've got! | 14:40 |
| annegentle | Thanks everyone | 14:40 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 25 14:41:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-09-25-14.02.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-09-25-14.02.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-09-25-14.02.log.html | 14:41 |
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| nickchase | Thanks, annegentle, and everyone else! | 14:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
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| safchain | hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | safchain: pcm_: hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 25 15:02:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Juno RC1 will be cut sometime tomorrow. At this point, it is going to be very difficult to get anything in the gate queue. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t see any general L3 bugs that are critical for Juno. The one I had my eye on merged. It destroys floating ip conntrack state when the fip goes away. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other general bugs (not DVR or L3) to bring up? | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | s/L3/L3 HA/ | 15:06 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, as you know I'm working on the l2pop with l3_ha, finally not sure there is an issue here, still investigating | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: noted. We can talk about that one in a bit if there is more discussion. | 15:07 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, I'm not able to reproduce the issue I had yesterday | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:07 |
| safchain | k | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: armax: Swami: How is DVR looking? | 15:08 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: there are still a number of changes in flight | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | carl_baldwin: we have a few bugs as you know | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | looks like rajeev's sync fix has potential | 15:10 |
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| armax | mrsmith: I’d rather avoid the locking if we can | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | as in, not use it? | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | (locking) | 15:10 |
| armax | mrsmith: yes | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | well, there are typically two ways around sync issues | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | avoid it | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | or recover | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | the locking would avoid it | 15:12 |
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| mrsmith | recover has its own cost (full sync) | 15:12 |
| armax | mrsmith: I understand the implications | 15:13 |
| mrsmith | tricky stuff this | 15:13 |
| armax | mrsmith: at the moment do not have enough information to determine that locking is really the only solution | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: I’ll assign the bug to you. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: The other one that we had flagged is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1369721. | 15:14 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: ok | 15:14 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: even though there’s technically no need for doing that | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: How is this one looking? I saw that internal testing showed some positive results on the one-line fix you put up yesterday. | 15:15 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: any fix most likely won’t merge for RC1 | 15:15 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1364215 is starting to become a bigger issue, we do have a patch up for review now | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | the manual move is looking good | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | some nits and splitting up left | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | so hard to say - functionality has been there for a while | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | (136721) | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Let me refresh my memory on that one. | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | the one line fix is a more general fix | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | thats why I split it out | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123795/2 | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: I’ll review that fix today but I’m sure it won’t get in to RC1. | 15:19 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other DVR bugs to bring up? | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | safchain: ping | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Assaf said that he would not be here today. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Were we talking about bug #1365476 | 15:22 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, yes | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | You are unable to reproduce this problem with l2pop and L3 HA? | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365476 | 15:23 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, I suspect a race condition around the port status.... | 15:23 |
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| safchain | carl_baldwin, I had the issue yesterday only 1 time the table 22 was not correctly populated | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | So, nearly 100% failure yesterday but none today? Was anything changed (besides the date)? | 15:25 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, so I'll try to reproduce by creating a lot of Ha router | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, I read that wrong. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | So, 1 failure in 22. | 15:25 |
| safchain | no only one failure yesterday, not so much, not able to reproduce it today | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess if the bug is hiding today then I’d recommend putting any detail you know of in the bug and then moving on. | 15:27 |
| safchain | sure | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs that may be critical for Juno? | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: ^ | 15:28 |
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| safchain | ...no | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | safchain: Thanks for the update. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | A lot of those who I was hoping could make it today to talk about work for Kilo could not make it to the meeting afterall. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | So, I don’t really have anything more to discuss. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll open the floor. | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | With that, I’ll close the meeting early. Thanks everyone. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 25 15:32:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-25-15.02.html | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-25-15.02.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-25-15.02.log.html | 15:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:01 |
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| banix | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other GBP folks around today? ;-) | 18:01 |
| banix | hmmm | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: songole: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets get started | 18:02 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 18:02 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:02 |
| s3wong | just got back on my desk, sorry | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think someone folks are on vacation today on account of the holiday | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 25 18:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| banix | looks like a long weekend around here | 18:02 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: what holiday? | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| rms_13 | Hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: hi there | 18:03 |
| banix | s3wong: jewish new year | 18:03 |
| s3wong | banix: OK, didn't know :-) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs banix s3wong songole rms_13 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic StackForge repos and process | 18:05 |
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| banix | saw the email by SumitNaiksatam on all the repos | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/StackForge/repos | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah, documented it in the wiki page above | 18:05 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | nice! | 18:05 |
| banix | great thanks | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also registered in launchpad so that we can track bugs | 18:05 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: are we still responsible for our own piece? Meaning that I will at some point need to post the Contract=>SG patch on gerrit? | 18:06 |
| s3wong | (once all the dependencies are posted) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes | 18:06 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: OK, I will be waiting then :-) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: though you ivar-lazzaro might volunteer to do that, if you are busy ;-P | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam s3wong: yup | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather i just volunteered Ivar | 18:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so I can +2 it right away :-) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sorry! | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam s3wong: It's ok for me, I'm familiar with the code and I'll have to include some changes anyway (contract update) | 18:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: what kind of timeline are we looking at --- I am guessing we want to have an official/tested built before K-Summit | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in general, as a step zero, we just need to get the patches which are already in review in neutron, trasfered to this review queue | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok good question | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in launchpad, i have created two milestones | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Sept 30th and Oct 24th | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know very agressive, but thats all the time we have | 18:09 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: actually it sounds reasonable | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | *starts brewing as much coffee as possible* | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so for Sept 30th, we have to have moved all the code into these repos (including the WIP patches for client, horizon and heat) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: whew, at least one supporter, thanks! :-) | 18:09 |
| s3wong | couple nights ago a Sachi Gupta IRC chat with me at 10pm --- and it seems like he or she is interested to try | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay, cook, yeah he/she pinged me a few times as well | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *cool | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks for taking the time to helping out | 18:10 |
| s3wong | so we do have early adopters, and I told him/her we should definitely be ready by K-Summit timeframe | 18:10 |
| s3wong | so don't let him/her down :-) | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thats the plan | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, so firstly, any questions on the things mentioned in #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/StackForge/repos | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:11 |
| KrishnaK | Question: Are there any steps to setup the environment and test ? ( did not see it here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/StackForge/repos) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: process is exactly the same as you would if you were working with Neutron | 18:12 |
| KrishnaK | ok. thx Sumit. | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: but i am happy to document in more detais if required | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: clone the repo, and then run: tox -e py27 | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ;-P | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh wait, sorry the patches are still in review | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you just clone the repo now, you wont get much in terms of code artifacts | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the last patch in the current series is: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123689/ | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe there are about 5 patches now, and we will be adding the others as well shortly | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps we need a wiki page to document this - #action SumitNaiksatam to add wiki page to document patches in review | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the hope is that we will be able to review quickly (since we already had several rounds of reviews on the same code in neutron), and land the patches in | 18:15 |
| KrishnaK | SumitNaiksatam: Thx. Will look at the wiki and follow the instructions. | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions on this? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or thoughts/suggestions/concerns? | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so my request is to please review the patches which are in flight, so that we can land them in at the earliest, and actually start testing a working setup | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic IRC channel | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info a few days back IRC channel was created for GBP: #openstack-gbp | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its mostly me and banix in it | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it will be nice if others join, so that we can quickly discuss and make progress | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Resource renaming | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Resource renaming (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we earlier decided to rename EP to Policy Targe, and EPG to Policy Target Group | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *Target | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | those changes have not made it to the patches currently in review | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we will add those as a set of follow up patches | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so everyone still on board with those name changes? | 18:21 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure --- but you will have to forgive me if I still refer to EP and EPG... | 18:22 |
| * ivar-lazzaro still likes endpoint better | 18:22 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 18:22 |
| banix | wonder if we need to make the change | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i agree, i like the earlier one better | 18:23 |
| banix | now taht we run our own business | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: but we still listen to the community :-) | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix SumitNaiksatam: right, but endpoint is still a Keystone terminology | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said actually endpoint is being used in places | 18:23 |
| banix | but in the long run, i think its better to make the change | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah | 18:23 |
| banix | yeah agree | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | because even if you run the python-client | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and you do a help | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it has all these things about the endpoint | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix SumitNaiksatam: I would do it in the short term if possible | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:24 |
| banix | ivar-lazzaro: sounds good | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix SumitNaiksatam: The first API we show is the one which sticks in people's mind | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you do: neutron —help | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with the client | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it talks about the keystone endpoints right at the beginning | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that tends to be confusing | 18:25 |
| banix | yup | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i realized this when i was recently working on the demo | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on “contracts” | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps better to avoid that as well? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a lot of people suggested just using “Policy Rule Set" | 18:26 |
| banix | yeah i agree | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: Contract really is the right word though... | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have “Policy Rule” and “Policy Rule Set” is a collection of policy rules | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: not everyone likes it though | 18:26 |
| banix | we had those terms early on | 18:26 |
| s3wong | banix: right we had policy before | 18:26 |
| banix | i mean policy rule and policy rule set | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i know that rkukura is also not in favor of changing the contract terminology | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ah, did not realize that | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: so we would just be reverting back, if we were to :-P | 18:27 |
| banix | :) | 18:27 |
| s3wong | we didn't have policy rule set --- as far as I remember... | 18:27 |
| banix | s3wong: we did; let me dig it out | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so that is one, and the other one is “Policy Labels” | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we dont have the implementation for this in the current set of patches | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we had planned to | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the thinking is that, the labels should actually have a name and a list of values | 18:29 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: labels would be interesting: it can be label associated with policy-rule, label associated with EPG (both provider and consumer) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so then its really not a label | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: That's really weird to have "policy" everywhere in the API... We are namespacing everything although the entry point already is /grouppolicy | 18:29 |
| s3wong | and in ODL model, we further have functionality names under label :-) | 18:29 |
| banix | got distracted; will find the refrence later | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i agree | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but, if this is part of neutron then it makes sense to differentiate | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hence the “policy-“ prefix to the names | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so back to the earlier point of labels being actually name and values | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sounds reasonable | 18:30 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I think we own "group policy" --- we have done enough advertisement that people in community hearing this would immediately associate that to our project | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we are to do that, perhaps we can this “Policy Tags”? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: true | 18:31 |
| s3wong | Policy, OTOH, is a bit too high level | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay | 18:31 |
| s3wong | I mean, under neutron/neutron, there is a policy.py file :-) | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so “Policy Labels” -> “Policy Tags” | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes there is, and those policies are defined in policy.json | 18:32 |
| s3wong | :-) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: resource access control | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i will let people think about this a little more: “Contracts” -> “Policy Rule Sets”, and “Policy Labels” -> “Policy Tags” | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let the team know if you have objections | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Policy Summit | 18:34 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: we have no concern about terminology discrepancy between Neutron GBP and ODL GBP, right? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i have not kept pace with the changes in ODL :-( | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i dont know, its for us to collectively decide if thats an issue | 18:34 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: AFAIK there hasn't been any changes on ODL GBP terminology since May or June -ish timeframe | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | personally i think we should decide what works best for us here | 18:35 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: certainly | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay, you guys attend those meetings, so you will definitely have a better feel than me | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so yeah, i mean if anyone has objections, we are still discussing this, so open to changes | 18:35 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: used to be a big deal in the beginning, honestly | 18:36 |
| s3wong | :-) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just want to put this renaming thing behind us for good | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thought it was done when we decided to rename EP/EPG | 18:36 |
| Guest40815 | ONF NBI arch group is using the GBP terminoloty in it models for service chaining (contracts, endpoints, endpointgroup, classifier) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but people keep coming back on other things | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Guest40815: thanks, thats helps, i guess! :-( | 18:37 |
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| s3wong | Guest40815: Oh, really. That is good to know | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so now we are going to go in circles | 18:37 |
| banix | yeah lets not be tied to odl terminology | 18:38 |
| banix | odl will be one driver at the end of the day | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: okay | 18:38 |
| banix | even though there are close ties in concepts and all | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Guest40815: but thanks for chiming in and providing the reference | 18:39 |
| banix | we wont be able to change those and need to adapt to requirements by openstack | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Guest40815: its just that we have to make some progress here | 18:39 |
| banix | s3wong: ivar-lazzaro make sense? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Guest40815: it seems that endpoint/endpointgroup is not going work in the openstack context | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i agree | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: +1 | 18:40 |
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| s3wong | banix: sure - I should focus on the best terminology to gain support with the OpenStack community | 18:40 |
| Guest40815 | ONF NBI can adapt, | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Guest40815: any strong objections to what we are proposing here? | 18:40 |
| s3wong | s/I/we | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: +1 | 18:40 |
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| s3wong | Now I know who Guest40815 is :-) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bouthors: good to know you are Guest40815 :-) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ^^^ | 18:41 |
| s3wong | bouthors: how are you doing, Nicolas | 18:41 |
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| bouthors | great thx, I was please to see that ONF NBI was following GBP tracks | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bouthors: ah, okay, thats a good data point | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i share that excitement as well | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Policy Summit | 18:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Policy Summit (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:42 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the GBP team participated in the Policy Summit last week | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we did the presentation during the networking part of the agenda | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a big THANK YOU to all those who really slogged it out for getting the demo ready in time | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, thank you all! | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have posted the slides | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i cant seem to find the link though | 18:44 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: special thanks to you! :-) | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: :-) | 18:45 |
| banix | i just saw it googling; looking for earlier docs | 18:45 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: http://www.slideshare.net/sumit_naik/groupbased-policyjunopolicysummit | 18:45 |
| s3wong | this one? | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah, thanks | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately we dont have the recorded demo | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we get the time, we will record one and upload it | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else wants to fill in what happened at the Policy Summit? | 18:46 |
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| banix | how was the second day? | 18:48 |
| banix | the workshop part | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: unfortunately i was not able to attend the second day | 18:48 |
| banix | i see (and s3wong also noticed) some tasks/actions created related to gbp | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: mainly exercises on how to model scenarios using congress | 18:48 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | banix: was really good, I got the impression that people were very interested in both congress and GBP | 18:48 |
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| banix | ivar-lazzaro: ok thanks | 18:49 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: echoing what banix said, there are a lot of action items on how GBP works with Congress | 18:49 |
| hemanthravi | banix: second day folks broke up into group to come with bp and implement define policy with congres | 18:49 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: and for most of them, LouisF and Cathy volunteered | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | banix: the first gives a general way of describing things, while most of the people there agreed that GBP was a very simple way for describing policy scenarios | 18:49 |
| hemanthravi | congress has come up with a language, for networking congress will use GBP APIs | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hemanthravi s3wong: good to know | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else to discuss today? | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | else we can get back 9 mins of our time :-) | 18:51 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: for the K-Summit, hemanthravi, banix, you, and me would have to start looking at presentation stuff | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes working on that | 18:52 |
| banix | s3wong: yes | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: mandeep had put together some slides | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i will add the slides from the policy summit to that | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: just to create a pool of slides | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but, yeah fast approaching! | 18:53 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: based on the reception we received on the demo during the policy summit, we may want to NOT show people SG | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | people done with their travel arrangements? | 18:53 |
| s3wong | just saying :-) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes | 18:53 |
| s3wong | seems to cause a lot of confusion | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we dont have SG in the slides :-) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: demo is a different beast | 18:53 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: nice :-) jt was in the backup slide on mapping driver, though :-) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we need to plan that carefully | 18:53 |
| banix | yes regarding travel arrangements | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ah okay, that was the cue for rkukura :-) | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: you booked? | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i haven’t | 18:54 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its more challenging from here | 18:54 |
| banix | going 10 days before and staying 10 days after :) | 18:55 |
| banix | just kidding | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: you got me fooled | 18:55 |
| banix | plan to be there on Sat before the summit and return the next Sat | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i think we all wish! :-) | 18:55 |
| s3wong | banix is traveling around Europe during that time :-) | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: okay, i think rkukura has similar plans | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alirght then, if nothing else, lets call it a wrap | 18:55 |
| s3wong | I will be there on Sunday and will leave on Saturday after | 18:55 |
| banix | s3wong: no such plans unfortunately | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: cool | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | back to the junu-gbp-1 milestone ;-) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 25 18:56:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-25-18.02.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-25-18.02.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-25-18.02.log.html | 18:56 |
| banix | bye | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 18:56 |
| s3wong | thanks all | 18:56 |
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