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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:59 |
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| devvesa | hi carl_badwin | 15:00 |
| armax | yello | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: hi | 15:00 |
| pcm__ | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm__: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller, safchain: ping | 15:01 |
| safchain | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto: ping | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m sure I’m leaving some out. Sorry. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 2 15:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t know yet if RC1 has been cut. Anyone know for sure? | 15:02 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: not yet but we should be in lock down mode now | 15:03 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: so that ttx and mestery can do it | 15:03 |
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| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Makes sense. I know there were a few bug fixes they had their eye on last night. | 15:03 |
| armax | nothing else should be approved at this point | 15:04 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: afaik we’re the last project standing ;) | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Yeah, it looks like all of the bugs are marked “fix committed”. Shouldn’t be long then. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:05 | |
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| carl_baldwin | Actually, the subteam bugs are looking pretty good. I have gotten behind on triage though. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | Are there any bugs that need to be brought up? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will triage new bugs this week | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | At Swami’s request, I’m going to move the DVR report to later in the meeting. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "l3-high-availability (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:08 | |
| carl_baldwin | amuller, safchain: What is the news here? | 15:08 |
| safchain | I submitted a fix about a potential lock wait | 15:09 |
| safchain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124408/ | 15:09 |
| ttx | armax: I need mestery to approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125081/ | 15:09 |
| safchain | nothing else this week | 15:10 |
| ttx | then I branch from there | 15:10 |
| armax | ttx: I’ll reach out to him | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: I did notice that as a new bug. | 15:10 |
| ttx | I already sent him an email | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | safchain: anything else? How about reviews in progress? | 15:11 |
| amuller | Sorry I'm late =/ | 15:11 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, that is the only one I have about the HA | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: hi | 15:12 |
| amuller | working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365453 | 15:12 |
| amuller | some patches up | 15:12 |
| amuller | early feedback is welcome | 15:12 |
| amuller | more patches on the way | 15:13 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, I'm also working with amuller on the HA functional tests patch | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I will have a look at them. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: do you have a link? | 15:14 |
| jschwarz | it's on hold until some 4 minor patches gets through that the functional tests require (123434, 124752) | 15:15 |
| jschwarz | the functional tests patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117994/ | 15:15 |
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| jschwarz | after these are done we'll go on to writing the integration tests framework (there are some patches there also but they can wait) | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: I will have a look at those. 117994 was on my radar but the other two somehow were not on there yet. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else for L3 HA? | 15:18 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, quite alright since we were waiting for RC1 to push them anyway :) | 15:18 |
| amuller | Nothing on my end | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks, all. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bgp-dynamic-routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:20 | |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: ping | 15:20 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | You have posted the spec against Kilo. | 15:20 |
| devvesa | yes | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | do you have a link handy? | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | Found it. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125401/ | 15:21 |
| devvesa | oh, 2 seconds faster than me :) | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:21 |
| devvesa | I've read your comments | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I wrote them late, I hope they make sense. | 15:22 |
| devvesa | The first one about register the gateway router as a neutron router makes me think a lot | 15:22 |
| devvesa | I think is a great idea, but it is too early to express my crazy conclusions | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | that comment came out of my thoughts to associate advertisedroutes with a router. Those, in turn, came from my thoughts about advertising floating ips which are already associated with a router. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Could we find some time early next week to discuss it more? | 15:24 |
| devvesa | anytime | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll be in touch. Until then, we can add discussion to the proposed blueprint. | 15:25 |
| devvesa | I'm starting to think that we may not a new kind of agent, but extend the l3 one | 15:25 |
| devvesa | that will apply to some 'edge' routers | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | That sounds like a whole discussion in itself but I think I see where you’re going. Let’s discuss more outside the meeting and then work it in to the proposal. | 15:26 |
| devvesa | s/may not /may not need | 15:26 |
| devvesa | great | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Anything else? | 15:27 |
| devvesa | Nothing else from me | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Thanks. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent cleanup, refactoring, and possible restructuring. | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: still there? | 15:29 |
| amuller | yeppers | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I know you mentioned some interest here. | 15:29 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:29 |
| amuller | I did | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi, welcome. | 15:30 |
| Swami | mike smith was also interested in the this topic | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: ping | 15:30 |
| Swami | mike is away today and will not be able to join | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Right, he’s still out. I knew that. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I’ll bring him in the loop here when he’s back. | 15:30 |
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| Swami | ok | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I got started looking at the l3 agent yesterday. Some low hanging fruit popped out quickly that I will post for review when I’ve run tests. But, I haven’t really gotten to the meat of the project. | 15:32 |
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| amuller | I gave it a fair bit of thought, trying to find a design pattern that would fit the requirements and would get rid of the endless if ha, if distributed conditions. I don't have anything too concrete. It's difficult to design something like this without trying it out in limited scale. Also, we have to consider a router that's both HA and distributed, which the code doesn't support right now. | 15:32 |
| amuller | So while it makes sense to refactor the code before we enable HA + DVR routers, it makes it more difficult | 15:32 |
| Swami | amuller: In the case of the distributed routers, the HA is only valid for the snat scenario. | 15:33 |
| amuller | correct | 15:33 |
| Swami | So we can't tie the HA to the routers by itself. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: makes sense | 15:33 |
| amuller | If someone comes up with a concrete suggestion we can schedule a video chat over it | 15:35 |
| Swami | In this case we have rely on the l3_agent mode and if it is running in dvr_snat mode and if HA is enabled for a router that has snat enabled, then we have to apply the HA for the snat for the dvr_snat nodes. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Swami: I’d like to be iterative on this. Hopefully, we can get some early work in the review/merge queue soon and make continual progress toward goodness. However, it will make sense to have an end goal in mind. | 15:35 |
| amuller | I suspect the earliest would be at Paris | 15:35 |
| Swami | amuller: let us work together to come out with a plan for the HA with distributed router support | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | What will be the best way to collaborate on the overall goal? | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Wiki? etherpad? | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Something else? | 15:36 |
| Swami | Do we want to start with a design doc that states the flows and makes sure everyone is on the same page. | 15:37 |
| amuller | Ahh, 1 point I wanted to make, is that HA routers have functional testing, so I'm pretty confident in butchering the l3 agent code without ruining something basic. I'd love it if someone could implement functional testing for distributed routers before we make major changes to the agent. | 15:37 |
| Swami | Wiki would be a fine. | 15:37 |
| pcm__ | Was wondering if there was info on the goals - for the uninitiated | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | pcm__: I fear that different people may have different goals in mind. | 15:38 |
| pcm__ | carl_baldwin: sounds like a good first step is to come to consensus on goals | 15:39 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I will create a wiki for the DVR and HA | 15:39 |
| Swami | Just to capture all our thoughts in a single page. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | I’d like to arrive at a sensible architecture which allows different types of routers, DVR, HA, DVR + HA and works in FWaaS without all of the special cases we have sprinkled throughout the code. Better use of inheritence and composition than there is now. | 15:40 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I think we have the same idea. I'd like to support all 4 permutations of routers (legacy, HA, DVR, both) via inheritence and composition, without conditionals all over the place. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | The agent needs to be split up too. The one class in one file is doing too much. We need some clean separation of concerns. | 15:42 |
| amuller | Also, the 'RouterInfo' class as it is is just a struct with no meat | 15:42 |
| amuller | and the agent has all the brains | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Agreed 100% about RouterInfo. I was looking at it last night. | 15:42 |
| amuller | the agent should be orchestrating, and routers should be configuring themselves | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: yes. My thoughts are along the same lines. | 15:42 |
| amuller | also the way we have RouterInfo hold a 'router' attribute in it, which is the one in the update, but the other attributes of RouterInfo are the 'old' routers... | 15:42 |
| amuller | holy crap that's awful | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | awful only begins to describe it. | 15:43 |
| amuller | We should have two 'Router' instances, one is the 'old' one that the agent has, and one is the 'new' one in the update | 15:43 |
| amuller | Routers should be able to diff themselves | 15:43 |
| amuller | figure out what's changed | 15:43 |
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| * haleyb likes this suggestion to not have conditionals everywhere | 15:44 | |
| carl_baldwin | I do want to stress an iterative approach with this. Learning from history, if we make this effort too monolithic, it will likely not be merged in this cycle (maybe never). | 15:44 |
| amuller | Luckily there's so much crap to change it shouldn't be a problem doing it piece by piece :) | 15:45 |
| pcm__ | Right now FW is a superclass, and VPN a subclass of L3 agent too. Seems messy | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | pcm__: Yes, not the best use of inheritence. We’ll need to evaluate that and decide what a better pattern will be. | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | These notes should get us started. Let’s translate them to the wiki page and keep the discussion going. Right now, though, we’ve got a little more to get to in this meeting. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Is everyone okay if I move on to another topic? | 15:46 |
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| pcm__ | +1. good stuff though. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: I moved dvr to later to accomodate. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: what do you have for us? | 15:48 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks for getting the dvr later. | 15:49 |
| Swami | Right now we are working on fixing bugs and working on back_log items. | 15:49 |
| Swami | There are patches out there for review | 15:49 |
| Swami | router_migration patch is out there for review. | 15:50 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105855/ | 15:50 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123273/ | 15:50 |
| Swami | These two patches addresses the migration of legacy routers to distributed routers. | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks for the links. | 15:51 |
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| Swami | There is a "DB lockwait issue" with DVR delete_ports which I am trying to fix. | 15:52 |
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| Swami | But this one I thin carl you have already reviewed it. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Is there a bug for that? Do you have a link handy? | 15:53 |
| Swami | s/thin/think | 15:53 |
| Swami | I will check it out, I don't think there was a bug on the launchpad, if not I will create one. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | I do recall seeing the patch but I can’t find it in the bugs. When you create it, be sure it has the dvr tag on it. I’ll watch for it. | 15:54 |
| Swami | The problem is occassionally we see a "db lockwait timeout" when we clear snat or remove an interface. | 15:54 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124849/ | 15:55 |
| Swami | In both cases it is caused when "delete_port" is called from delete_csnat_router_interface. | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks for the link. That one needs a bit more discussion. | 15:55 |
| Swami | I will work on today to see if there is any other way to fix this problme. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Also, a rebase because half of it was merged in to RC1. | 15:56 |
| Swami | because I do see even in delete port, there are rpc calls from within the db transaction for the l2pop mechanism drivers. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Could you point them out? There are some we’ve been looking at. I’d be interested to know if you’ve found some that I haven’t seen yet. | 15:57 |
| Swami | I will keep you posted if I find anything concrete. | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe you could reference them in the review or in the bug report that you create. | 15:57 |
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| Swami | Also there was a patch that was abandoned that we did for VPN. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Anything else? | 15:58 |
| Swami | So I am also working on fixing the VPN with DVR. | 15:58 |
| Swami | I am almost halfway through, once I have the patch I will post a quick WIP for review. | 15:58 |
| Swami | that's all from me. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks for the update. | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:59 | |
| carl_baldwin | We have 45 seconds… :) | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks everyone. We got a lot accomplished in Juno and I’m looking forward to improving on it and getting more accomplished in Kilo. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Until next time. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 2 16:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-10-02-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-10-02-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-10-02-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| amuller | Thanks Carl :) | 16:00 |
| amuller | Thanks everyone, ttyl | 16:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 17:59 |
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| s3wong | hello | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong ivar-lazzaro kevinbenton: there? | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets get started | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 2 18:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix mentioned earlier that he cannot make it due to personal reasons | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hope everything is fine at his end | 18:02 |
| s3wong | yes, banix will likely miss some more meetings, and possibly the K-Summit | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs s3wong ivar-lazzaro ivar-lazzaro rms_13 rkukura kevinbenton | 18:03 |
| rms_13 | Hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic StackForge Process | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "StackForge Process (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i believe most of us have been pretty busy either pushing code to the stackforge repos or reviewing the patches | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just wanted to take a minute here to make sure that everyone is in sync with the process we are following | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | essentially the process is that same as was with Neutron or any other OpenStack project | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we create the blueprint in Launchpad: #link https://launchpad.net/group-based-policy | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | then submit a spec for review in gerrit: #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/group-based-policy-specs | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once spec is reviewed, approved and merged, we push patches for review: #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/group-based-policy | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | make sure you mention the blueprint ID in the implementation patches | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | also, bugs should be reported here: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is no deviation from the standard process, just need to be aware of the relevant launchpad projects and the git repos | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions? | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: great! | 18:09 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 18:09 |
| rms_13 | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for the recap | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for boostrapping the gbp repo! | 18:09 |
| rms_13 | Good stuff | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: s3wong: sure | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Summary of relevant links for code and specs | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summary of relevant links for code and specs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:10 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | I have been trying to capture everything in this one page: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/StackForge/repos | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please feel free to edit and/or correct | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the idea was to provide a dashboard kind of a view | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we have a number of repos to deal with | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that brings to the next topic on reviews | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Patches in review | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches in review (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:11 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:master,n,z | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a large number of patches in review now | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also the above link is for the server side patches | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there are patches in review in the client heat and horizon as well | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | requesting you to please review the patches at the earliest | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything that we need to discuss about the current patches? | 18:13 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: no cli patches? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, see my earlier comment :-) | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: cli patches: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-client+branch:master,n,z | 18:14 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: which is "none" | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | doh! | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure what happened there | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: corrected link: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/python-group-based-policy-client+branch:master,n,z | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will fix the wiki (repo name was wrong) | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i need to fix the UTs on this patch | 18:16 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: cool --- that makes more sense. Hard to believe we have Heat and Horizon patches but no neutron-python-client :-) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) yeah my bad | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i spent quite a bit of time on this, but still the UTs are failing | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue is with trying to eliminate duplication code from neutron client | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any thoughts questions on the reviews? | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay moving on | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our favorite topic - | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Resource renaming - finalize | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Resource renaming - finalize (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:19 | |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: did you see my comments on groupbasedpolicy.py? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:19 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x27f2cd0> | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: on the client? | 18:19 |
| LouisF | yes | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: i did notice that you had commented, however i was caught up with fixing the UT issue | 18:20 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: i mean to address the comments after i get the UTs to run | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: apologies for the delay | 18:20 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: np | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: and thanks for the review | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | : #topic Resource renaming - finalize | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Resource renaming - finalize | 18:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Resource renaming - finalize (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:21 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so to recap, in this meeting we had earlier agreed to rename Endpoint -> Policy Target, and Endpoint Group -> Policy Target Group | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are a couple of other changes that were proposed in the past, and we discussed last week | 18:22 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Contract -> Policy Rule Set | 18:22 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: oops, I just merged the API-1 patch without these terminology/naming changes :-) | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | * Contract -> Policy Rules Set | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: no worries | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: it's ok, I think it's better to apply those changes on top anyway | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we did not mean to change the names right away | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: +1 | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and Policy Labels -> Policy Tags | 18:23 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, ivar-lazzaro: sure :-) I didn't expect them anyway | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so anyone object to Policy Rules Set, and Policy Tags ? | 18:23 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: I preferred contract | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: okay, and i know rkukura preferred that as well | 18:24 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so do I | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: however lots of people also prefer Policy Rule Set, their justification being that since Contract is a collecton of Policy Rules, so Policy Rules Set is more intuitive | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ^^^ | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to some extent we also socialized this new terminology in the Policy Summit | 18:25 |
| s3wong | though Policy-Rules-Set gives rkukura another chance to make another acronym in PRS | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i did not hear any pushback | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: absolutely! :-) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the record, i personally prefer our older terminology, but anyway | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i understand that we have preferences, but is there any objection to Policy Rule Set and Policy Tags? | 18:26 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: i'm ok if that is a majority decision | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay so can we have a show of hands at least here, if people are okay with the renaming? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: rms_13 hemanthravi ? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ? | 18:27 |
| rms_13 | Fine by me | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | ok with me | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sandr8: ;-P | 18:28 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I am OK with it --- just finalize so we don't do this over again :-) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: exactly, we cant be in this limbo, since we have quite a few things to catch up on in terms of implementation | 18:29 |
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| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: contract is a stronger concept than prs | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: agree | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: would you strongly object to PRS though? | 18:30 |
| LouisF | just a -1 | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: :-) | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets do this, lets send this out to the ML today, and see if anyone has objections, and if not we can roll with this (perhaps a bit reluctantly) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: sound okay? | 18:32 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay thanks all | 18:32 |
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| s3wong | end of meeting already? | 18:33 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: the end of the model renaming discussion is a great milestone per se :) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed tentative agreement in the team to rename resources to Policy Rules Set and Policy Tags (will move forward if there are no further major objections) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 18:34 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: well, i see a "thanks all" -- which is usually an indicator that the meeting is over :-) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, i think based on the merging of the first patch, we seemed to have decided that we will implement the renaming as a follow up | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ivar-lazzaro: good catch :-) , we still have a few more agenda items | 18:35 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: my apology as I was the one giving it the second +2 (and workflow +1) :-) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: no worries, that was actually the thinking (at least in my mind) | 18:36 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: though I did put a question there somewhere asking if we want to do renaming on the patch | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: so no harm done | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: Subrah had put the question | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i saw that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Cross project dependency on neutron package | 18:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross project dependency on neutron package (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:37 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the issue is that we are currently referring to a neutron package in our requirements | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and this is currently in the form of a pypi package that ivar-lazzaro has created | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura had suggested that we replace this with a pointer to the neutron repo | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, ivar-lazzaro tried it but couldnt get it to work | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: please correct me if i am wrong, just trying to quickly summarize here | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyond that, my suggested is to actually remove this from the requirements.txt and put it in the test-requriements.txt | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or else it breaks the devstack install | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I think moving the requirement in test-requirements should be fine as long as neutron is installed always before GBP | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: which will happen anyway | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: so if everyone is fine I'll go ahead and change it | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: as i was mentioning, the requirements seem to get processed twice and that creates duplicate entrypoints | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: as soon as i removed the neutron package from the requirements, the issue went away | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah makes sense | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it would be helpful if someone from this team has prior experience on the packaging stuff, and if so please reach out to either me or ivar-lazzaro or rkukura | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link DB migrations | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oops | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic DB migrations | 18:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB migrations (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:42 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you want to summarize the issue? | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So as is now, we are running our migration on top of Neutron's | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | By doing this, we are changing the HEAD value on alembic_version table in the neutron Database | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Problem is, when your version is polluted in this fashion you will be unable to upgrade Neutron anymore | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so if you are using Neutron Juno + GBP, you won't be able to migrate to Kilo without some manual steps (downgrading GBP for instance) | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice summary! | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Long story short, I would like create a separate DB schema for our project... Which will share the same connection | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the options on the table are (as summarized by rkukura): “Do we use separate DBs with separate chains? Do we use separate chains in the same same DB? Does the GBP migration chain always effectively splice to the end of the neutron migration chain, or do they need to somehow be interleaved?” | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah that is one of the options (perhaps the only viable one right now) | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: there are other viable and maybe faster options | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, I forgot to mention earlier, rkukura had a doctor’s appointment, so he could not join today | 18:46 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: but they don't solve the main problem | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: hi | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: for instance, in alembic is possible to configure a different version table. With Neutron and GBP having different version tables the problem is mitigated | 18:47 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: sorry for pinging you out of the blue | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: but thought that it might interest you | 18:47 |
| HenryG | SumitNaiksatam: np | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: but even in this case, if in the future Neutron tries to create a table named gp_endpoints everything will break again | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: if you back scroll to the current topic on “DB migrations” in the context of our stackforge GBP effort | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: would love to hear your input | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: we can discuss offline | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other DB migration gurus out there, would love to get your input | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks again for the summary and trying to work through this tricky issue | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: np | 18:49 |
| HenryG | Will GBP be packaged separately from neutron? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic refactoring of resource mapping driver | 18:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "refactoring of resource mapping driver (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:49 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: yes | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | HenryG: at least for Juno, since its not in the trunk | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the topic of resource mapping driver, per rkukura: “What should be factored out of the resource_mapping driver for use by other drivers?” | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so anyone writing GBP vendor drivers, please reach out to rkukura with thoughts on this | 18:51 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I have a couple of suggestions on this matter | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or just start an email thread | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes sure | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: you will be writing GBP driver as well, right? | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: first we should gather all the useful and possibly common code out of the resource mapping driver to a more generic superclass | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, we had discussed that earlier as well | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe the suggestion is that we do this after the current patches merge? | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: and then we should probably think of a way for each driver to define their own mapping | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that I always give for granted :D | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets start an email thread on this | 18:53 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, ivar-lazzaro: for this, rkukura and I talked about it during the hackathon | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so it seems like lots of people have ideas | 18:54 |
| s3wong | he thinks EPG, L2/3-policy, implicit drivers are items that should be fairly common across all the vendors | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | might require more offline discussion | 18:54 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: can you copy me on that | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: implicit driver, yes | 18:54 |
| s3wong | and he wants to factor out that from the contract mapping piece and make it into another mapping driver | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: yes sure, the whole team | 18:55 |
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| s3wong | obviously, as we discussed, I couldn't do it before Juno feature freeze | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah, no | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *np | 18:55 |
| s3wong | but in my mind, I believe rkukura would want to put that as an item for Kilo cycle | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: implicit is definitively common, but each plugin may want its own resource mapping | 18:55 |
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| s3wong | L2Policy mapping to Neutron network, and L3Policy mapping to a router --- even in case of non-implicit, seems useful for more than one driver | 18:56 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: I definitely see that contract=>SG mapping to mostly NOT be too useful for most vendors :-) | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ivar-lazzaro: good points | 18:57 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: even l2_context -> network or anything else.... Endpoint -> Port is the only one I feel is mandatory | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since rkukura is not around, lets going to the ML for this | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:58 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: s3wong thanks | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:58 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: we need to start porting code to the GBP Horizon repo | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: we will have help on this, but it will help to get your reviews | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: among other things ;-) | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else folks? | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay thanks everyone for joining | 19:00 |
| s3wong | thanks | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | keep up the good work! | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Ciao! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 2 19:00:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-02-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-02-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-02-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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