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| glebo | lo | 14:17 |
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| glebo | wrong channel. Oops. out of here. | 14:27 |
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| s1rp | libvirt meeting still happening? | 15:03 |
| mjturek | +1 | 15:03 |
| sew | +1 | 15:04 |
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| s1rp | if anybody wants to add something to the agenda here's a link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-libvirt-meeting-agenda | 15:06 |
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| s1rp | so ill just give an update from my end: submitted a patch upstream to libvirt to fix shutdown in distros that use /run/initctl; didn't get much response on the ML, so in a holding pattern there | 15:08 |
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| s1rp | would be curious on danpb's opinion of the approach | 15:08 |
| mjturek | he's not on #openstack-nova unfortunately | 15:09 |
| s1rp | yeah haven't seen him much recently; guessing he's pretty busy with other stuff righ tnow | 15:10 |
| s1rp | anybody have any libvirt issues they'd like to discuss? | 15:10 |
| s1rp | well if nobody has anything, i guess we can call it | 15:13 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 21 16:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone | 16:00 |
| akrivoka | hello \o | 16:00 |
| tmazur | hello o/ | 16:00 |
| tqtran | gm | 16:00 |
| doug-fish | Hi | 16:00 |
| gary-smith | hi | 16:00 |
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| lhcheng | hello | 16:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | hey everyone | 16:00 |
| EmilyW | hi | 16:00 |
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| bpokorny | Hi | 16:01 |
| jpich | hey | 16:01 |
| crobertsrh | hello | 16:01 |
| jgravel_ | Hello | 16:01 |
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| tzumainn | hiya | 16:01 |
| ericpeterson | hello | 16:01 |
| nikunj2512 | Hello | 16:01 |
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| amotoki | hello | 16:01 |
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| david-lyle | Juno final release was on October 16 | 16:02 |
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| rdopieralski | hi | 16:02 |
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| tsufiev | hi | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | Congrats to everyone | 16:02 |
| doug-fish | Hooray! | 16:02 |
| nikunj2512 | Wow!!! | 16:02 |
| jrist | o/ | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | Thanks for all your hard work everyone | 16:03 |
| amotoki | o/ | 16:03 |
| esp | yay! | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | There were 166 contributors to Horizon in Juno | 16:03 |
| gugl3 | hi | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | This is a large jump from ~126 in Havana | 16:03 |
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| akrivoka | thanks to all the contributors! you rock! | 16:03 |
| lhcheng | nice! | 16:04 |
| johnma | awesome | 16:04 |
| nikunj2512 | Great!!! | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | The agenda for today's meeting is at: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | #topic Move to DB backed sessions by default (david-lyle) | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move to DB backed sessions by default (david-lyle) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:05 | |
| david-lyle | So we had a long discussion on IRC regarding this topic last week, but I wanted to bring it up here for greater visibility before bringing to the ML | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | We continually run into issues with overflowing the cookie size for session storage | 16:06 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I'm aware of the 4K-limit problem, but how do we provide HA with DB-backed sessions? | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | This is a limiting factor | 16:07 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev, for HA it requires the deployer to implement a fix as they would for other services | 16:07 |
| doug-fish | a fix? | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | either point at a common MySQL instance | 16:08 |
| ericpeterson | (or db of choice) | 16:08 |
| tsufiev | doug-fish, I guess something like Galera for MySQL HA | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | fix is not the correct word, solution is better | 16:08 |
| doug-fish | got it. That makes sense. It has to be configured. | 16:08 |
| doug-fish | No patching required. | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish, yes | 16:08 |
| lhcheng | tsufiev: Galera might be an overkill though. | 16:08 |
| ericpeterson | or you can hobble along with cookies if you monkey patch saving that allowed stuff in the session | 16:09 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, lhcheng: I know our deploy engineers have been using Memcache + cache-backed sessions | 16:09 |
| ericpeterson | horizon deployments will need an HA DB setup for this, if we move to dbs | 16:09 |
| doug-fish | why are we using DB as the default over memcached? | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | making a db session store the default does not prohibit the use of signed cookies, it just changes the default | 16:09 |
| asahlin_ | Not sure what was discussed previously, but can we use HTML 5 webstorage instead of cookies? | 16:09 |
| * jrist thinks that isn't widely supported | 16:10 | |
| ericpeterson | memcached is not the session backend | 16:10 |
| doug-fish | can be | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | it can be | 16:10 |
| tsufiev | asahlin_, I'd also suggest using webStorage, but it requires much more changes (IMO) | 16:10 |
| nikunj2512 | We can also use HTML 5 local storage and it is supported all major browsers | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | I'm not partial to a DB or memcached | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | both require some config work | 16:10 |
| ericpeterson | and if you do memcached, how is that HA'd ? | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | memcached will eat more memory | 16:10 |
| doug-fish | for sure | 16:11 |
| ericpeterson | I don't think memcached works for session storage, it serves another function if I recall | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | ericpeterson, you can use it for session storage, and other things | 16:11 |
| doug-fish | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/sessions/#using-cached-sessions | 16:12 |
| jpich | Our own docs suggest that memcache isn't ideal for HA fwiw -> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/deployment.html#memcached | 16:12 |
| asahlin_ | tsufiev: not sure what the scope of change would be, but should be considered as an alternative.. It doesn't suffer from the same limitations as cookies. | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/topics/http/sessions/#using-cached-sessions | 16:12 |
| asahlin_ | I think you have up to 5 mb of space vs 4kb | 16:12 |
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| doug-fish | asahlin_ I think part of the issue is that the stuff we put in the session is needed at the server | 16:12 |
| doug-fish | like tokens | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | We can offer recommendations for HA, but it's not up to the Horizon team to implement an HA solution | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | the choice of session store is pluggable today | 16:13 |
| asahlin_ | doug-fish: I see. | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | operators can and do choose to move away from signed cookies already | 16:13 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: is this a step toward deprecating the signed cookie backend? | 16:14 |
| tsufiev | well, I'm bit ashamed, but I've just questioned our deploys and it seems they use Memcached just because it's already there, while DB sessions require additional tuning :) | 16:14 |
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| tsufiev | indeed, DB is more persistent and reliable than Memcache | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | what I would like to move to is not overrunning the cookie size limit | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | in the default | 16:15 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle, are we even considering file-based too? just to simplify devstack setup. | 16:15 |
| amotoki | i think there are important and non-important cookies. can we distinguish and prioritize important ones? non-important ones are just for performance. | 16:15 |
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| amotoki | I am not sure we can though... | 16:15 |
| rdopieralski | doug-fish: as we move towards more dynamic views with js (that is obligatory now), we can send the information that is needed on the server explicitly, so it's all doable, just lots of work | 16:15 |
| rdopieralski | doug-fish: and lots of per-case decissions | 16:15 |
| ericpeterson | there is a sqllite file based db thing I think is a leading candidate for devstack type setup | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | with that we could solve problems like being able to hold more than one token at a time which will be required for domain scoped tokens and to solve real operator problems like havign to relogin for every keystone region they want to manage | 16:16 |
| lhcheng | the default before in devstack was file-based, can't recall why we moved to cookie-based. | 16:16 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: I guess I'm thinking that if cookie based isn't the default we'll probably break it pretty quickly | 16:16 |
| rdopieralski | ericpeterson: with multiple instances we want the sessions synchornized, which rules out sqlite :( | 16:16 |
| ericpeterson | i think the cookie thing is slightly more simple to setup | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish, I think we're going to break it even if it is the default | 16:16 |
| lhcheng | rdopieralski: this is defaulting for devstack, no HA support | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:16 |
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| ericpeterson | rdopieralski: I agree, as soon as you deploy horizon for real you will need to make other choices | 16:17 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I remember using db-backed sessions in muranodashboard plugin, it made editing default openstack_dashboard.settings a bit more complex - had to add DATABASES settings in the beginning of settings to avoid `import policy` clause set it to DummyDatabase (or something like) | 16:17 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: agreed. I'm wondering if we should be explicit and call it unsupported. | 16:17 |
| tsufiev | besides that everything worked fine | 16:17 |
| ericpeterson | cookies could still work if you have one region and only use swift ;) | 16:18 |
| doug-fish | lol | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | until you use keystone v3 and have a domain scoped PKIZ token and a project scoped PKIZ token | 16:18 |
| * ericpeterson is getting a headache thinking about that | 16:18 | |
| david-lyle | you're welcome | 16:19 |
| lhcheng | one thing I like about horizon, I don't need to setup a real database to get it running for development. - why I like the file-based for default. We already documented that for production user should use a DB anyway. | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | so the choices for a default are signed cookies, memcached, sqlite, mysql | 16:19 |
| ericpeterson | so we move to file db type thing for the default? or we could require the cache / memcached thing? | 16:20 |
| jpich | lhcheng: Is that recommendation actually documented somewhere? | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | am I missing anything? | 16:20 |
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| lhcheng | jpich: yeah, I was just reading the cloud admin guide for openstack last night. Let me pull it up. | 16:20 |
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| ericpeterson | signed cookies are a problem, I'd say it's between the cache and file db options | 16:20 |
| doug-fish | I've never used the file-based sessions, but that seems like it might be a nice default for development. | 16:21 |
| ericpeterson | maybe if we only stored the 1's in the cookie that would make it smaller ;) | 16:21 |
| * ericpeterson ducks | 16:21 | |
| jpich | lhcheng: I see, thank you. If only we had some kind of docs liaison to keep up with that kind of thing | 16:21 |
| lhcheng | jpich: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/admin-guide-cloud.pdf page 53 | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | ericpeterson: +1 | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | jpich: are you nominating lhcheng ? | 16:22 |
| * lhcheng ducks | 16:22 | |
| ericpeterson | in he isn't careful, it's going to be his job | 16:22 |
| tzumainn | surely there's a goose among all these ducks | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | well apparently he can read | 16:22 |
| rdopieralski | I can confirm that sqlite is awesome :) | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | david-lyle: sound overqualified | 16:23 |
| tsufiev | +1 for sqlite | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | sqlite is the django default as of 1.6 IIUC | 16:23 |
| ericpeterson | +1.3456 for sqllite | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | is that an additional install requirement for devstack or does django pull it in automatically? | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | anyone know? | 16:24 |
| ericpeterson | I think it just works, no additional stuff needed | 16:24 |
| tqtran | can we potentially use sqlite for other things that horizon might need in the future? like persisting user settings? | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | david-lyle: sqlite? | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | sqlite is shipped by default with all modern pythons | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | (2.5+ iirc) | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | ok, just wanted to make sure | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | not a new dependency | 16:25 |
| nikunj2512 | Yes for sqlite no seprate installation is required | 16:25 |
| doug-fish | tqtran: we'll want to be sure we are using the configured db, not hardcoding to sqlite | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish, it's all in the settings.py | 16:25 |
| doug-fish | tqtran: some companies use other DBs you know | 16:25 |
| jrist | ha | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | backend db is configurable | 16:25 |
| doug-fish | yep | 16:25 |
| ericpeterson | tqtran: we can do that, would need to use the django orm stuff for that | 16:25 |
| amotoki | some operators do not want to setup extra databases, so sqlite is attracitve for them. sqlite is just like a file. | 16:26 |
| tqtran | ok, didnt know django had orm stuff | 16:26 |
| david-lyle | ok, any objections to sqlite as the new default? | 16:26 |
| ericpeterson | I'd like to object in next weeks meeting | 16:26 |
| tqtran | lol | 16:26 |
| david-lyle | tqtran, the funny part is that's one of the the best parts of django | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | which we cast aside | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | for the cfuft | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | cruft* | 16:27 |
| nikunj2512 | But to my knowlege sqlite doesn't uses ORM but for django we uses ORM | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | ok, I'll go ahead with a ML post about the intended switch to sqlite | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | sqlite has some limitations but if we're using it as a simple cookie store and don't intend to rely on real database features, we should be fine | 16:28 |
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| ericpeterson | yep, that should keep us honest from using too exotic of an ORM feature | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | in short, I'd recommend reading up on sqlite's limitations just to make sure we won't accidentally bump into them | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | what could go wrong? | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | for a session store, I think we'll be fine | 16:29 |
| jrist | lol | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | for other items, we'll need to look more | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | Old browser warning message (nikunj2512) | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | yeah, I don't forsee any issues either frankly, just want everyone's consent to be informed =P | 16:29 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Old browser warning message (nikunj2512) | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Old browser warning message (nikunj2512) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:30 | |
| david-lyle | nikunj2512, | 16:30 |
| nikunj2512 | Yes | 16:30 |
| nikunj2512 | Let me start | 16:30 |
| nikunj2512 | As we know Horizon many features break when end user uses old browsers like IE6 to IE8 and older chrome and firefox | 16:31 |
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| nikunj2512 | As We can see from the Horizon bugs a lot of issues has been raised on browser compability | 16:31 |
| nikunj2512 | And they are raised because Users are using older browsers | 16:31 |
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| nikunj2512 | I think many of these issues can be handled by just showing a friendly warning message on the login page only once | 16:32 |
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| nikunj2512 | It can tell user that some features of Horizon will not work with current version of the browser and they should upgrade it | 16:32 |
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| nikunj2512 | And a link to the browser support matrix where they see which browsers we support and what minimum version we support | 16:33 |
| jpich | It seems worthwhile to me for old browsers (e.g. IE8) that we know are broken and don't support, as long we don't block the user from login in anyway | 16:33 |
| tqtran | nikunj2512: make sense to me, only question is, whether browser detection should happen front-end or back-end | 16:33 |
| amotoki | makes sense to me too. I wonder how we can warn older versions of chrome and firefix because they are update automatically. | 16:34 |
| nikunj2512 | tqtran: We discussed about parsing the User-Agent String but people told it will be hard to do that | 16:34 |
| jpich | If people actually updated the support matrix too that'd be awesome :) It's not very up to date currently ( update it update it -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/BrowserSupport :-)) | 16:34 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: Chrome update automatically but not firefox, it asks for permission and user may choose to decline the upgrade | 16:35 |
| doug-fish | I think part of the challenge of implementing a check is that I don't think we've been very crisp about what browser levels we actually support. | 16:35 |
| doug-fish | What levels would you check for? | 16:35 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Yes, this covers updating the browser support matrix also :) | 16:35 |
| amotoki | nikunj2512: yes, it is true, but most folks update it and distro like debian supports updated version of firefox. | 16:35 |
| tqtran | doug-fish: i think we have this documented some time ago.... | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | amotoki: actually stable debian right now is on firefox 24 or so | 16:36 |
| tqtran | doug-fish: cant remember though, but we have stated official versions we support | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | (meanwhile a "current" firefox is 33.0) | 16:36 |
| nikunj2512 | tqtran: Ok | 16:36 |
| amotoki | sigmavirus24: yes. they provides two versions. | 16:36 |
| TravT | maybe the supported browser version should be something checked in which detection reads and also that docs can be generated from. | 16:37 |
| nikunj2512 | See for the firefox we can mention the minimum version against which everything works and perform the check | 16:37 |
| tqtran | TravT: agree, that would save a lot of confusion | 16:38 |
| doug-fish | nikunj2512: do we know the minimum version of firefox against which everything works? | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | nikunj2512, yes having a base chrome and firefox version is necessary | 16:38 |
| nikunj2512 | i think we have to maintain a whitelist which will contain the minimum browser version we support | 16:38 |
| amotoki | how about the latest version and some versions shipped with major distros? we can know the minimum version. | 16:38 |
| amotoki | we can get the specific version from distros (or windows). | 16:39 |
| david-lyle | I think we just need to establish a minimum across the browsers and work from there | 16:39 |
| nikunj2512 | doug-fish: for firefox from 28 or greater everything works | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | david-lyle: I agree | 16:39 |
| jpich | I think we should only blacklist known bad versions for now (blacklist == "show message"), rather than whitelist versions and show the message to everyone else - that was the crux of the argument on IRC earlier today | 16:39 |
| jpich | one of the cruxes anyhow... | 16:39 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: yes | 16:39 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: Yes that can also work and You right about earlier discussion | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | jpich +1 to the blacklist | 16:40 |
| asahlin_ | Taking a step back... assuming our document for what version of browsers are supported is up to date, isn't that enough? If users hit issues on previous version (unsupported), they know they have to update? | 16:41 |
| nikunj2512 | jpich: +1 | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | it's a much simpler matrix | 16:41 |
| -amotoki- wonder what browsers we usually use... especially old versions of chrome and firefox.... | 16:41 | |
| asahlin_ | trying to think of other web applications that warn | 16:41 |
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| tqtran | asahlin_: actually, they might not know unless the message is there | 16:41 |
| gugl3 | jpich, in the message, can we also add link to the page of supported versions? | 16:42 |
| nikunj2512 | asahlin_: End-users hardly goes to browser support matrix. They will not go there until they will face any problem and then also they will have to struggle sometime. It will be good if we can notify in advance | 16:42 |
| nikunj2512 | tqtran: Correct | 16:42 |
| tqtran | asahlin_: right, they might not even know about the page (like me) | 16:42 |
| asahlin_ | So they report a bug, we point to documentation with the browser matrix | 16:42 |
| TravT | asahlin_: if i'm at a website and everything works but one small thing, I"m going to blame the website first. I think the point of this is to try get users to self-correct. They aren't going to go search the wiki. | 16:42 |
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| asahlin_ | 16:42 | |
| asahlin_ | I am not saying the message is a bad idea.. | 16:43 |
| nikunj2512 | gugl3: Yes, we will add the link to the browser support matrix page | 16:43 |
| rbertram | Would we not show a message on login screen if browser is not on white list? | 16:43 |
| david-lyle | I think the message is fine, only users running antiquated browsers will run into issues and see a message, everyone else will have the same experience they do now | 16:43 |
| tsufiev | asahlin_, if everyone would be so clever, let-me-google-it-for-you site would have never appeared :) | 16:43 |
| amotoki | Apart from versions, I think we need to define a set of support browsers: Chrome, Firefox, Safari, IE?I | 16:43 |
| rbertram | asahlin_ are you asking if whitelist-based message is enough, so don't need blacklist? | 16:43 |
| nikunj2512 | asahlin_: Isn't it better if user get the info from us rather than going to google and searching for it. I think that will be much faster | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | If we're doing browser detection, should we also warn users about vulnerabilities that may affect their connection to horizon, e.g., poodle? | 16:43 |
| amotoki | Opera? | 16:44 |
| nikunj2512 | amotoki: yes opera, safari | 16:44 |
| mfer | Insetead of browser detection, what about feature detection and alerts? | 16:44 |
| * TravT wishes we could just deprecate IE all together | 16:44 | |
| nikunj2512 | sigmavirus24: i don't think so | 16:44 |
| tqtran | mfer: that would require much more work | 16:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikunj2512: and why not? | 16:44 |
| nikunj2512 | TravT: Same here | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | Hate to do this, but I need to move on to summit stuff because I need to hash the schedule out soon | 16:45 |
| doug-fish | do we need to specify platform? I'd guess we have issues with some screens not working on ios. | 16:45 |
| asahlin_ | rbertram: was more trying toto think of what the norm is for web applications.. Do they warn if your browser is old / not supported etc.. | 16:45 |
| mfer | tqtran feature detection is one of the go toos now | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | #topic Summit Session Selection (david-lyle) | 16:45 |
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| mfer | i'm happy to talk about it offline | 16:45 |
| jpich | I think doing it step by step is fine, let's start with a message for deprecation and move on to more goodies later on if required | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | we can continue the previous conv in another forum | 16:45 |
| jpich | Ok, summit so :-) | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | I need your votes people | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | or discussion about why there are few votes | 16:46 |
| nikunj2512 | mfer: yes feature detection is good but implementing feature detection for every feature in hoizon which is breaking in order browser will be a huge change and will cause a bigger mess | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | or I'll randomly pick topics that make me happy | 16:46 |
| nikunj2512 | david-lyle: OK | 16:46 |
| doug-fish | do you want only summit participants to vote? or should non-participants vote for things they hope will be discussed? | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | one involves a gin sampling session | 16:47 |
| * TravT thinks wine sampling would be more appropriate in France | 16:47 | |
| hurgleburgler | +1 | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish, anyone can vote on a topic they would like to have a more concrete plan around | 16:47 |
| tsufiev | lol )) | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | TravT, makes ME happy | 16:47 |
| tqtran | +1 to gin sampling | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:47 |
| tsufiev | +1 to sampling )) | 16:48 |
| doug-fish | and how many +1s shall we give out? | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | I am going to make sure there is a session that centers on keystone topics coming up in Kilo | 16:48 |
| jpich | I guess many topics are one line, rather than a description | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | there are several | 16:48 |
| nikunj2512 | doug-fish: as many as possible :) | 16:48 |
| jpich | so it's hard to know if it's a thought or what the session will attempt to resolve | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | jpich, so let's grow the topic description | 16:49 |
| doug-fish | nikunj2512: haha! Chicago style voting it is! | 16:49 |
| doug-fish | vote early and vote often. | 16:49 |
| tqtran | chicago style... haha never heard of that term | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | some of those were placeholders I put in initially | 16:49 |
| nikunj2512 | doug-fish: :) | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | may be why they're sparse | 16:49 |
| ericpeterson | I vote for david-lyle to speak for all sessions | 16:50 |
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| * david-lyle starts gin sampling now | 16:50 | |
| ericpeterson | and he better keep it entertaining | 16:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | doug-fish: see also New Jersey style | 16:50 |
| amotoki | we have 6 slots for session and half day(?) contributors meetup. Allocated sessions can get attracted for other folks. I think this is the difference. | 16:51 |
| TravT | how do you plan to do the contributors meetup? | 16:51 |
| TravT | totally informal? or have some agenda planned on site (like lightning sessions) | 16:51 |
| jpich | I believe the only session we've scheduled goes into the "contributors meetup" aka the unscheduled session :) | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | TravT depends on demand | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | my original thought was it would be a good time for clientside discussion, but that may not be the best fit | 16:52 |
| tsufiev | sigmavirus24, do you mean 'worse is better'? | 16:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | tsufiev: ? | 16:53 |
| ericpeterson | sigmavirus24: I'm guessing a reference to New Jersey | 16:53 |
| tsufiev | sigmavirus24, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | Hah. I hadn't heard of that. I was talking about NJ style politics (aka parlor tricks) | 16:54 |
| amotoki | In neutorn case, we are thinking to allocate scheduled sessions to community topics related to the whole neutron and planning to allocate contributors meetups to specific topics to L2/L3/LB/FW. | 16:54 |
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| amotoki | It is not decided yet and just an example. | 16:55 |
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| david-lyle | ok, a lot more input now, keep it coming | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | I'll take a first pass this week sometime | 16:59 |
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| david-lyle | preferences for unscheduled content? | 16:59 |
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| david-lyle | We're out of time everyone. Thanks! | 17:00 |
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| david-lyle | #endmeeting Horizon | 17:00 |
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| jpich | I think the initial goal is that it's decided last minute based on the other conversations | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 21 17:00:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-21-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-21-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-21-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jpich | ah well. We'll never know. Thanks all :) | 17:00 |
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| tsufiev | bye! | 17:00 |
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| david-lyle | jpich, can put on etherpad | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | :) | 17:00 |
| lhcheng_ | bye! | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | I agree, digging into the details missed in the formal sessions | 17:00 |
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| amotoki | thanks all! | 17:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | later | 17:01 |
| nikunj2512 | Thank You everyone | 17:01 |
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| akrivoka | thanks all, have a good week! | 17:02 |
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| sarob | morning guys | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 21 17:03:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | As usual, let's start with status updates. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | #topic statusUpdates | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | sarob: want to start? | 17:04 |
| sarob | sure | 17:04 |
| rajdeep | hi | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: hi | 17:04 |
| sarob | our design session is scheduled for 03 nov monday 14:30-16:00 | 17:04 |
| sarob | i have asked if we can get it moved to tuesday to be co-located wih GBP | 17:05 |
| sarob | does the team think this co-locating is a good idea or not? | 17:05 |
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| thinrichs | It'll work either way. | 17:06 |
| sarob | okay | 17:06 |
| sarob | i should know by mid week | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | sarob: what should all of us do to prepare for the design session? | 17:06 |
| sarob | there is an planning etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session | 17:07 |
| s3wong | sarob: GBP is being place on Tuesday as part of "cross-project" slot, and given that Congress is on Monday, it is considered "Ops" session | 17:07 |
| sarob | s3wong really? | 17:07 |
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| s3wong | sarob: I think that is the breakdown... at least according to ttx | 17:08 |
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| sarob | s3wong not sure that matters a bunch, thx for the info | 17:08 |
| sarob | thinrichs i have listed out in the etherpad priorities, specs, bp, that have been on different discussions | 17:09 |
| sarob | thinrichs we need to start paring it down | 17:10 |
| sarob | thinrichs so we have a agenda | 17:10 |
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| sarob | thinrichs lining up bp to specs so they are one to one | 17:10 |
| thinrichs | sarob: that looks good. Maybe I'll take a pass over the etherpad and organize by topics | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | e.g. UI, policy engine, data sources, etc. | 17:11 |
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| sarob | thinrichs the policy summit specs with at least pending patch link would be a good start | 17:11 |
| sarob | thinrichs sure, i just did a big dump into the pad | 17:12 |
| sarob | thinrichs im starting to clean it up some | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | Then maybe we can organize the design session by prioritizing efforts within each group? And then produce a total ordering over the most important features? | 17:12 |
| sarob | thinrichs thats a good idea | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | Before we all arrive at the summit, we should think through each of the groups of features to figure out what we each think is most important. | 17:13 |
| sarob | i have a congress related summit sessions started at the bottom of the pad as well | 17:13 |
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| thinrichs | I'll send out an email reminder maybe a week before. | 17:13 |
| sarob | thinrichs right on | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | Any other prep we should be doing for the summit? | 17:14 |
| sarob | i will list out the policy related sessions and talks that i have found in the etherpad bottom | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | That'd be helpful! | 17:14 |
| sarob | if anyone finds others pls add to the list | 17:15 |
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| sarob | i updated the agenda too | 17:16 |
| sarob | not too crazy #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Congress | 17:17 |
| sarob | anything for me? | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good: do code reviews, look at outstanding bugs, review the etherpad for the summit. | 17:18 |
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| thinrichs | Anything else to report sarob? | 17:18 |
| sarob | btw the congress session is under the ecosystem track | 17:18 |
| sarob | thats all | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | Thanks. | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: want to go next? | 17:19 |
| alexsyip | Yeah, the datasource driver code has gone through one review cycle with Tim. | 17:19 |
| alexsyip | It’s all on gerrit now. | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | It's good stuff. I'd suggest you all take a look. | 17:20 |
| alexsyip | The top level comment here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125845/12/congress/datasources/datasource_driver.py | 17:20 |
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| thinrichs | Especially take a look at how the new neutron/nova drivers look. | 17:20 |
| alexsyip | describes how someone would write a translator for a new data source driver. | 17:21 |
| alexsyip | This is what an example driver would look like: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127624/13/congress/datasources/neutron_driver.py | 17:21 |
| alexsyip | This is the keystone driver, and it’s probably the simplest example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126731/13/congress/datasources/keystone_driver.py | 17:22 |
| alexsyip | The neutron one is a little more involved because the neutron driver provides more data, in a more complex organization with several nested lists and dicts. | 17:22 |
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| thinrichs | So instead of writing Python code that translates the output of an API call to tables, you just provide a declarative description of the output of the API call. | 17:23 |
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| thinrichs | And the translation to tables is handled for you. | 17:23 |
| rajdeep | alexsyip looks very simple | 17:23 |
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| LouisF | alexsyip: can these be used as a model for a gbp translator? | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: do you expect this to work for every datasource driver? | 17:24 |
| alexsyip | Thanks! The example drivers show the declarative description, and a little bit more plumbing to connect that to the API client code. | 17:24 |
| alexsyip | LouisF: do you mean to read data from GBP or to write data to GBP ? | 17:24 |
| LouisF | alexsyip: either | 17:25 |
| LouisF | alexsyip: or is it just read? | 17:25 |
| alexsyip | thinrichs: I think this code will cover most data source drivers, but there could be some that don’t provide data in the same way (with lists and dicts). For that, we may have to hand code those drivers, or convert the data into lists and dicts. | 17:26 |
| alexsyip | LouisF: We should be able to use this when reading from GBP. | 17:26 |
| alexsyip | This does not have any code to assist with writing to GBP right now. | 17:26 |
| LouisF | alexsyip: great - what is needed to writew to gbp? | 17:26 |
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| alexsyip | LouisF: So when we read GBP data into congress, we’re just pulling in the GBP data as raw input. It’s likely that the congress policies will need to do some further interpretation of the raw data. | 17:29 |
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| alexsyip | LouisF: for the purposes of writing policies in Congress. | 17:29 |
| alexsyip | LouisF: For writing to GBP, our original plan was to have congress tables that trigger on row insert and delete. | 17:30 |
| alexsyip | We don’t have that framework yet, nor any drivers of that type. | 17:30 |
| LouisF | alexsyip: ok thx | 17:30 |
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| alexsyip | Ok, that’s all I have irght now. | 17:31 |
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| thinrichs | thanks alexsyip: good stuff! | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: want to go next? | 17:31 |
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| rajdeep | sure | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | i have been working on datasource integration with horizon | 17:33 |
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| rajdeep | panels and tabs are ready | 17:33 |
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| rajdeep | working on last leg to pass multiple values | 17:33 |
| rajdeep | datasource and tables are in the first table | 17:34 |
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| rajdeep | for each row -- there is a child view with actual values | 17:34 |
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| thinrichs | UI is super-important. I'm looking forward to seeing it in action! | 17:35 |
| rajdeep | hopefully by next week i will have code completed | 17:35 |
| rajdeep | that completes my status | 17:36 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. Let us know if you need anything from us. | 17:36 |
| thinrichs | LouisF: anything you'd like to report on? | 17:37 |
| rajdeep | sure | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | Maybe we'll come back to LouisF | 17:39 |
| LouisF | thinrichs: no | 17:39 |
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| thinrichs | Sorry for jumping the gun there, LouisF. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | jasonsb, glebo, and I continued our discussion from last week in #congress after the meeting ended. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | glebo volunteered to summarize what we had discussed. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | jasonsb: have you heard from glebo? | 17:41 |
| LouisF | nothing more than https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129350/ | 17:41 |
| jasonsb | thinrichs: no sir. i don't have any contact info so i haven't reached out | 17:41 |
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| thinrichs | jasonsb: Okay. I'll try to follow up with him today. | 17:42 |
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| jasonsb | sounds good | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | LouisF: I'll look into that review today. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | Last I saw it looked to be in good shape. | 17:42 |
| jasonsb | i need to look at rajdeep's work before i have anything coherent to add anyway | 17:43 |
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| thinrichs | jasonsb: sounds good. | 17:43 |
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| thinrichs | rajdeep: have you pushed anything to review that jasonsb could look at? | 17:43 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: or could you provide him with pointers to the existing UI work? | 17:44 |
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| rajdeep | thinrichs not yet | 17:45 |
| rajdeep | will do so when i am ready with the first cut can send some screenshots for now | 17:45 |
| jasonsb | that sounds godo | 17:46 |
| rajdeep | jasonsb : please share your email details | 17:46 |
| jwy | the existing ui code is under congress/contrib/horizon | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | jwy: didn't recognize your IRC handle. | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | jwy: welcome! | 17:47 |
| jwy | the congress devstack script has been modified to set up horizon for congress | 17:47 |
| rajdeep | jwy has been of great help on ui side | 17:47 |
| jwy | thinrichs: thanks! i realize my handle here is different than my username at work :) | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep, jwy, jasonsb: Maybe the 3 of you can start up an email thread. | 17:47 |
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| thinrichs | jasonsb: I think we'd just need your email address (and if you'd rather not put it here in IRC, you can email me and I'll forward it.) | 17:48 |
| jasonsb | sounds good | 17:48 |
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| jasonsb | jason.bishop@gmail.com | 17:49 |
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| thinrichs | jwy: anything else you'd like to report on? | 17:49 |
| jasonsb | (so much easier) | 17:49 |
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| jwy | mainly been helping rajdeep, haven't gotten back to writing any new code myself since the last push | 17:50 |
| jwy | planning on doing more this week | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. Let us know if you need anything from us. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | The new thing I started experimenting with this week is based on a request from the ML. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | Someone wanted to be able to analyze policy.json files to understand what roles were required to execute a given command. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | So I started writing the code to pull policy.json files into Datalog and do the analysis with Congress. | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | I'm about done pulling the policy.json files in. | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | My initial experiments with doing the analysis seemed promising. | 17:52 |
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| thinrichs | Not only is this a potentially useful bit of functionality for OpenStack, but it also gives us a concrete example of how we might start thinking about pulling in policy from other policy engines. | 17:53 |
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| thinrichs | Anyway, I've spent half a day on it so far, so it's too early to have much to report. | 17:53 |
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| kudva | I might've missed this discussion before: 1. Is there any update on Ceilometer integration (need/interest/plan/progress etc). | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | Okay. 5 minutes left. Time for open discussion. (Or for someone I've missed to give a status update.) | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | kudva: there's a ceilometer driver commited. | 17:54 |
| kudva | thinrichs: who is working on it? I want to help out there | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | From what I understand, it doesn't pull statistics out. | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | pettori was working on it, but I see he's not on IRC right now. | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs | alexsyip was going to look into using ceilometer for a use case. | 17:56 |
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| kudva | thinrichs: which particular use case? | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | Maybe the two of you can connect to figure out what needs to be done. | 17:56 |
| kudva | thinrichs: yes, is alexsyip online? | 17:56 |
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| alexsyip | Yes | 17:56 |
| kudva | alexsyip: let's connect offline, would be interested in hearing about your use cse | 17:57 |
| alexsyip | ok | 17:57 |
| Radu_ | I would like to be able to pull data from the DSE instead of using API calls from a driver, is that feasible right now? | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs | You mean you want to pull data from a deepsix instance? | 17:58 |
| alexsyip | kudva: You can email me at ayip@vmware.com | 17:58 |
| thinrichs | Would that be an instance of DatasourceDriver? Or the policy engine? | 17:58 |
| Radu_ | Policy | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Datasource drivers properly implement publish/subscribe. | 17:59 |
| Radu_ | ok | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | The policy engine doesn't publish anything today. | 17:59 |
| Radu_ | Ah. | 17:59 |
| Radu_ | Ok thanks, I was looking around and saw some #todo's but hadnt dug into it too much yet | 17:59 |
| sarob | remember everyone to review and update #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session with your kilo design session topics and use cases | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | Radu_: let's continue on #congress. I'd like to hear more about what you want/need. | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | We're out of time. | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 18:00 |
| sarob | cheers | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 21 18:00:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-21-17.03.html | 18:00 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 21 19:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for the SDK meeting, say hi | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Ian Cordasco, Rackspace | 19:00 |
| jamielennox_ | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:00 |
| stevelle | Steve LEwis, Rackspace | 19:00 |
| dtroyer | Dean Troyer, Nebula | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | #topic summit talk (just a quick mention) | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | i have 15 minutes pretty solidly figured out - outlined and sort of scripted - a bit of a conclusion, but right now i'm looking at filling in teh rest with code and examples | 19:02 |
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| briancurtin | the content so far is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sdk-summit-talk but this morning i started working it into actual slides | 19:02 |
| dhellmann | Doug Hellmann, HP | 19:03 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: did you end up doing anything on slides? | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | I will add some stuff Wednesday | 19:04 |
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| briancurtin | cool | 19:04 |
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| briancurtin | #topic current reviews | 19:05 |
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| briancurtin | autodoc seems like a good idea, so +2 on pushing forward with that | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | i think it's used in most other projects as well, right? | 19:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't know but it greatly simplifies documentation and ensures high quality docstrings in the event someone opens up their interpreter and runs help on the object | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | which patch is that? | 19:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: there are several of them | 19:07 |
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| terrylhowe | I like the idea of autodocs, makes things a lot more likely to be correct | 19:07 |
| dhellmann | oh, you mean the sphinx autodoc stuff -- there's also a feature in pbr to auto-generate files with autodoc directives in them, but you have to be careful using that because it might expose private modules | 19:07 |
| dhellmann | I like managing the files by hand, myself | 19:08 |
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| terrylhowe | well, I would like the formatting to be a little different, but I think it is worth the compromise | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | ive always done by hand in the past, but it's always been small enough codebases to keep track of. this feels like it could be nice | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, using the automodule directives ensures you don't forget to add public classes to your documentation | 19:09 |
| terrylhowe | I think the pieces parts in this project will come of more scrutiny than some other projects | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | relatively at least | 19:10 |
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| briancurtin | any thoughts on the jenkins/high level reviews? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121368/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121660/ | 19:12 |
| briancurtin | i like it enough to start building out swift on it for the talk examples. although i want to try and iron out a better name than "potentate" for those classes, but that's fairly minor bikeshedding (Impl?) | 19:13 |
| briancurtin | there is that one import question i had, which could be made easier by dropping 2.6, and dropping 2.6 was also mentioned on that test rearranging review | 19:14 |
| jamielennox_ | is there a blueprint for this potentate stuff, this is the first i've seen and i'm not getting it | 19:14 |
| dhellmann | briancurtin: client libs are expected to retain python 2.6 support for now, so I'm not sure if we should drop it. | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | good enough for me | 19:15 |
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| terrylhowe | jamielennox_: no blueprint I don’t think, take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121368/3/openstack/identity/v3/potentate.py | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | and the bottom of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121368/3/openstack/connection.py is where we set all the services up in the connection class https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121368/3/openstack/connection.py | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | sorry there is so much in there, it was hard to break down and it is really just a straw man as Dean would say | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | do we have a specs repo? should we? | 19:17 |
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| terrylhowe | we could probably use a little more formal process dhellmann | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | blueprints, specs, ...all new to me, not sure what we have, should have, need, etc | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | terrylhowe: it makes the project feel more official :-) | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | now that we've gotten a lot of the dirty work out of the way, some process would help | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | briancurtin: yeah, that's what I was thinking. | 19:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | agreed. it's hard to join the project without some outline of what needs to be done | 19:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | it's why I have not yet contributed anything more than simple reviews | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus24: and why what is already done was done... | 19:19 |
| briancurtin | i'll look around and see what process is out there and what is being used elsewhere and see what we can bring in | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | we sort of started on some blueprints but i/we at the time didnt actually know what we were doing, and we just went ahead and wrote code | 19:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | yeah, I'm not sure we need all of those to h appen at once, just some blueprints to start would be helpful so new people can help contribute some code | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's a good place to start with experimentation | 19:20 |
| stevelle | blueprints or specs or both, what is the smoothest transition? | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | blueprints would be a nice lightweight start, but specs aren't really that much work, either | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | and they're a heck of a lot easier to comment on | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | blueprints at least would be useful | 19:21 |
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| stevelle | lightweight seems like a good thing from where the project is right now, and going the right direction. | 19:21 |
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| briancurtin | i'll take a look back to blueprints after more of this summit talk is prepared | 19:22 |
| jamielennox_ | i think we dismissed it in the past because too much was in flux | 19:22 |
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| jamielennox_ | a blueprint is a proposal to do something specific and we were all just throwing up code too quick to bother with it | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | do we have a launchpad page? | 19:22 |
| jamielennox_ | it's going to become more important as things start to stabilize | 19:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: unifiedsdk is the project named | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unifiedsdk | 19:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | *name | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | https://launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk is 404 | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | ah | 19:23 |
| briancurtin | yeah we should change the name or something, that whole "unified" name is long gone (not sure if this matters) | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | we should perhaps dump unifiedsdk and use python-openstacksdk | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | ok, it's pretty easy to turn on blueprint management there -- let me know if I can help, briancurtin | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | renaming a project requires manual intervention from the launchpad admins, but it can be done | 19:24 |
| dhellmann | I think you just have to file a bug | 19:24 |
| briancurtin | easy enough, i'll look into it | 19:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: jesse might have to do it if he's the one that registered the project | 19:24 |
| * sigmavirus24 is guessing | 19:25 | |
| briancurtin | if he ever takes that horse head mask off i'll get him to look into if, if we need him | 19:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 19:25 |
| dhellmann | oh, blueprints are already turned on for that project | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/unifiedsdk | 19:26 |
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| briancurtin | yeah, those are probably bad, i didnt really know what to be doing there but someone said 'write some blueprints' | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | heh | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: since you have the most outstanding code right now, what would be the most help to you? | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | well, there are some bugs that should probably be blueprints like the version discovery stuff | 19:28 |
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| terrylhowe | there is also the somewhat related missing ability to support multiple verstions of a service | 19:29 |
| terrylhowe | I could go through the blueprints and make some up I guess | 19:29 |
| terrylhowe | and update what is out there | 19:29 |
| briancurtin | yeah i havent gotten around to multiple version like i thought i would | 19:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: if you ever feel like brain dumping on me, feel free. I can try to help | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | we should start brain dumping on the issue tracker and blueprints :) | 19:31 |
| stevelle | that | 19:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | yes. i can also sketch out blueprints from brain dumps =P | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | there are still missing things like image v2, compute extensions, … that are a lot easier to work on | 19:31 |
| stevelle | terrylhowe: does supporting multiple versions have potential impacts on image v2? | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | briancurtin: an etherpad is another good place to brain dump, since it's easier to clean up than incomplete bugs/blueprints | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | not totally, the problem is in the high level interface | 19:33 |
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| * jamielennox_ has to run - apologies | 19:36 | |
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| briancurtin | besides acting on all of that stuff, anything left to chat on? | 19:40 |
| terrylhowe | nothing comes to mind for me | 19:41 |
| * sigmavirus24 has nothing | 19:42 | |
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| stevelle | nothing more | 19:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm curious about the necessity of reordering test runs with tox but that's not really something we need to talk about in the meeting | 19:43 |
| briancurtin | may as well wrap this up and continue in -sdks then | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | thanks all! | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 21 19:45:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-10-21-19.00.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-10-21-19.00.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-10-21-19.00.log.html | 19:45 |
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