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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hemanthravi s3wong LouisF ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:02 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 23 18:02:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Specs in review | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-specs+branch:master,n,z | 18:03 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the service chaining spec was reviewed and merged earlier in the week | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am behin on updating #link https://review.openstack.org/127913 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy to answer questions on that here, though | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: are we still targeting #link https://review.openstack.org/128000 for juno-gbp-2? | 18:04 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Its possible - was just checking on where I was on that | 18:05 |
| rkukura | When is juno-gbp-2? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the original target is tomorrow :-) | 18:05 |
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| rkukura | when is juno-gbp-3? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but i think we will have to make some exceptions, since we have been a little behind on the reviews | 18:06 |
| rkukura | There is a chance I’ll have code in review Monday | 18:06 |
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| rkukura | So lets see where we are then. | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: juno-gbp-2 was aligned so that the release would be ready before the Paris Summit | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone plan to implement and extension driver for juno-gbp-2 if it is available? | 18:07 |
| rkukura | s/and/an/ | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I would say that it's a bit late to merge this before Paris? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we need to stock of where we are with juno-gbp-2 and determine how we want to move forward with the branching (if we want to go directly to kilo-gbp or do a juno-gbp-n) | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: that would be useful for me, but I've already posted a GBP APIC patch without the extension | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro: thats a good point, we might not have enough cycles to incorporate this into a driver | 18:08 |
| rkukura | I thought our plan was to continue to iterate based on juno, and start supporting kilo in parallel at some point | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: befor the paris summit that is | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, that is definitely up for discussion | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: I would say that changing the implementation would be not doable unless the patch gets merged before this WE | 18:09 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura SumitNaiksatam: yeah I definitively would love to see this for Juno, but I would not rush things for Paris at this point | 18:09 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: lets see where we are on this tomorrow | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nothing stopping us from approving this spec if there are no objections | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sure, I'll fire the +A if we all agree | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | worst case we can just carry over the spec if we dont have the cycles to implement right away | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: no objections from me | 18:10 |
| rkukura | comments are reasonable but I don’t think they require updates | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to do a quick read, but would not want to hold up the merge | 18:11 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura, ivar-lazzaro: with RMD-SG merged this morning, we should be at where we wanted to be at for Juno (code-wise and functionality wise, at least on the server side), right? | 18:11 |
| rkukura | the alternatives listed are only partial, but I think they are stil worth mentioning | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: go ahead, I think the implementation can be sent in review even if the spec is not fully approved | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we will get to the implementation shortly | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: I would say that we miss hierarchical contracts at least | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: you have #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129490/ | 18:12 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: hmm... true | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: s3wong: if you dont mind, lets first discuss the specs | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Also I was wondering, where are the other drivers' implementation? I think OneConvergence had one? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: good point, hemanthravi ^^^ | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: are you planning to post the spec that was earlier posted and approved in neutron? | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, will post our driver in the next 1-2 days | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | for the driver, yes | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: would need the spec as well | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | will do | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: regarding the HEAT-related spec | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | yes, need a review on that one | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so for the benefit of everyone, what are we proposing, and what are we reviewing here? | 18:15 |
| hemanthravi | this is the same as what was posted in neutron earlier, heat support for all GBP resources | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: did you post a APIC driver spec, or did i completely miss it? | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: no I didn't, and honestly I don't find it atm :) | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: not sure if Neutron dumped those specs | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oh | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay we will sync up on that offline | 18:17 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yep | 18:17 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I got regXbo's consent to take over the ODL piece, but it probably won't make gbp-juno | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thats nice, and no worries | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: as long as we have an owner | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: can you post the spec? | 18:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes, will do that before tomorrow (ODL status meeting) | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so the changes in your spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129490 are targeted at Heat, right? | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, yes need a review :) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am just wondering how we can clarify that this is a Heat related change, not clear right now | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps we should create launchpad projects in the respective projects (so https://launchpad.net/group-based-policy-automation in this case) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that way you can link your gerrit spec to the bp in that LP project | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so essentially i am saying, move: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+spec/group-based-policy-automation to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/group-based-policy-automation/+spec/group-based-policy-automation | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: make sense? | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, can do that if the current loc doesn't work | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yeah, i think we will need to do that | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: since this is not a server side spec | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: sorry for the process overhead | 18:25 |
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| hemanthravi | ok, will catch up with later today and get this done | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks much! | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127380/ on hold? | 18:26 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: just waiting for more reviews, this item is also after-Paris though | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay got it | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: hi | 18:26 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro, SumitNaiksatam: I can review that too | 18:26 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: thanks | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: which spec patch should we be reviewing? | 18:27 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: I will update the specs | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: FYI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130615/ | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah that was fast, at the speed of ACI! :-) | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ahah :) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: so all the separate patches are basically one spec, right? | 18:28 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on to the implementation patches | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:master,n,z | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the great news is that GPM-RMD-SG #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124941 was merged earlier today | 18:30 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | yeey | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks rkukura for the reviews, and ivar-lazzaro for the quick responses, great work! | 18:31 |
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| s3wong | It certainly had undergone quite a few changes since I posted it on Neutron; thanks for ivar-lazzaro for picking up this mess :-) | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the remaining GBP model patches are smaller | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: if anything, I made it even messier :D | 18:32 |
| rkukura | its a start - plenty more work to do | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and there are a whole series of service chaining patches | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: there are two sets of patches | 18:33 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, what do you mean | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: so there are patches posted by Subra and there are patches posted by Magesh | 18:36 |
| hemanthravi | sumit magesh rebased them to make it a liner dependency | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: Subra’s initial patch #link https://review.openstack.org/127038 is marked WIP | 18:36 |
| hemanthravi | those are the right patches | 18:36 |
| hemanthravi | will check with subra and abandon the earlier ones | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ah ok, can you request Subra to abandon his patches? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: great, will reduce confusion | 18:37 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, will do | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: your patch on hierarchical contracts has no core reviewers :-) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127364/ | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay i just added | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ops :) | 18:38 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, the patches in https://docs.google.com/a/oneconvergence.com/spreadsheets/d/1VAcYODD5fA_t2yleb95pTlIxD-btnUllZTN-uhNrsh4/edit?pli=1#gid=0 | 18:39 |
| LouisF | hemanthravi: so i should review Magesh's patches? | 18:39 |
| hemanthravi | LouisF, yes these are posted in the google doc | 18:39 |
| hemanthravi | too | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: got it, i should have checked | 18:39 |
| hemanthravi | LouisF, thanks | 18:39 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, will abandon the duplicate patches to remove the confusion | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: on the service chain patches what is the delta between what is posted here and what was earlier proposed in Neutron? | 18:40 |
| hemanthravi | there are some changes related to the support for params requested by the spec | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, that ties into my changes as well | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/129545 | 18:41 |
| hemanthravi | and the api change for the servicechaininstance to use epg(s) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok | 18:42 |
| hemanthravi | or ptg(s) once renamed | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so #link https://review.openstack.org/129545 implements #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127913 | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i havent updated that spec patch though | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks for your clarifying comments in response to rkukura’s questions | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | basically, we are introducing a new “network service policy” resource (similar to L2P, L3P; you can call it NSP) | 18:44 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: ;) | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i knew i had a chance with winning you over with that! ;-) | 18:45 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sorry that I haven't read the spec --- how does NSP work? | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is used to capture policy information that is relevant to the service chain and in the context of an EPG | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | essentially, for every service chain that needs to be realized (or for the service instances that need to be realized in that service chain) certain resources need to be allocated | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | by resources you can think of, say, an IP address for a VIP | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | NSP becomes the place to define the policy for allocating these resources (just like we did in L2P and L3P) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: did i capture that accurately at least at a high level? | 18:47 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, yes | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hopefully answered your question | 18:48 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: still need to look at spec and code... would love to see the level of abstraction to specify service specific resources | 18:48 |
| hemanthravi | s3wong, the service-chain-spec request for a list of params and NSP defines how these resources will be allocated bu GBP | 18:48 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: but I understand the intent now | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok good | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: so you would use the NSP object to instantiate services instead of the service insertion/chaining API? | 18:49 |
| s3wong | hemanthravi: interesting... will read more | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: no | 18:49 |
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| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: it sounds like GBP will realize the service chain | 18:49 |
| hemanthravi | s3wong, interesting in a good way :) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the service chain provider/driver would use the NSP when instantiating the service chain | 18:50 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: what patch covers nsp? | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so the service chain provider knows that it needs a VIP (for example) since the chain has a LB | 18:50 |
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| s3wong | hemanthravi: keeping service chaining at a high-level (it sounds like it is basically at Heat type level) would also make markmcclain happy :-) | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: Why does the chain provided need to understand the service underneath? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: however the resource allocation (in terms of IP address for that VIP) should be done by GBP (per our policy-based design philosophy) | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I need to give a deeper look to those specs :) | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: chain provider always has some understanding of the service underneath | 18:52 |
| hemanthravi | s3wong, heat is used for static definitions of the services but some of the dynamic parameters are dependent on the context where the chain is realized | 18:52 |
| hemanthravi | s3wong, these are provided via the NSP | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: in this case the understanding is to the extent, that the provider knows that the LB service would need a VIP (perhpas it does not specifically understand what a VIP is) | 18:52 |
| s3wong | hemanthravi: cool | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127913 and #link https://review.openstack.org/129545 | 18:53 |
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| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: thx | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we have only a few minutes left, lets shift gears | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: what's the difference between a "VIP" and a simple neutron port? (that is what current LBaaS implementation asks for the VIP) | 18:54 |
| LouisF | hemanthravi: can non-openstack services be described by heat? | 18:54 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: In this context, you can get the allocation by simply having a PolicyTarget | 18:54 |
| s3wong | LouisF: I would imagine non-Neutron aware services would NOT be included in this iteration | 18:54 |
| LouisF | s3wong: agree but thinking about | 18:55 |
| hemanthravi | LouisF, heat can be extended with plugins that can use a ReST API to talk to these services.. I think this should work | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: GBP does not understand what a VIP is, that is not what we are trying to do here | 18:55 |
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| s3wong | (in any case ... if we are moving to Open Discussion... I have something to ask the team) | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we need to move on to cover the remaining topic | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Design Summit Session in Paris | 18:56 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: that would do also :-) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/98dc4255384e340682137c8a7ee7e60d | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we have an etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-gbp-design-summit-topics | 18:56 |
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| s3wong | Before I forget.. sarob asked on the ML whether our team (GBP team) would like to collaborate with Congress on some joint workshop / cross-project stuff | 18:56 |
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| s3wong | what does the team think? | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i think the question was in the context of moving the Congress session | 18:57 |
| s3wong | they took the initiative to put their design summit session to the same day as ours | 18:57 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes, but at the end of the email, he talked about "Maybe we can get some space in one of the pods or cross-project workshops on Tuesday between the GBP and the potential Congress session to make it even more better" | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes that would be cool | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have one minute | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please put your thoughts on the etherpad | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in terms of what we want to discuss in the design summit session | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a lot of what we have discussed here will carry forward there | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have 45 mins, so we will have to budget accordingly | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other parting thoughs? | 19:00 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: we are still going to have a meeting before K-Summit, right? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *thoughts | 19:00 |
| s3wong | i.e., next Thursday? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: good question | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: what does the team think? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am up for it | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | may be we can keep it short - 30 mins as a quick status update | 19:00 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam, hemanthravi: we also need to coordinate our presentation before then | 19:00 |
| s3wong | (before Paris) | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i have updated the presentation, shared with you | 19:01 |
| s3wong | it is on Monday, afterall :-) | 19:01 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: great. Will take a look | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: reviews and finishing the implementation is the first priority ;-) | 19:02 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: +1 :-) | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay thanks everyone! | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 19:02 |
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| s3wong | bye | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 23 19:02:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-23-18.02.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-23-18.02.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-23-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
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