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| yolanda | hi | 16:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting storyboard | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 2 16:01:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 16:01 |
| ttx | who is around for the storyboard meeting? | 16:01 |
| yolanda | o/ | 16:01 |
| jeblair | hi | 16:01 |
| ttx | I'll be your host today since krotscheck can't make it | 16:02 |
| ttx | expect less fun | 16:02 |
| ttx | Agenda: | 16:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Meeting | 16:02 |
| ttx | #topic Actions from last week | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:02 | |
| ttx | "krotscheck: Put GSoC proposals on the wiki." | 16:02 |
| ttx | Does anyone know if that was completed ? | 16:03 |
| * ttx digs the wiki | 16:03 | |
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| ttx | Hmm, I see Michael listed as mentor on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2015 | 16:04 |
| ttx | but no idea posted yet | 16:04 |
| ttx | I'll update it at the end of the meeting with the suggestions we'll have confirmed from the roadmap analysis | 16:04 |
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| ttx | #topic Urgent items | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent items (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:05 | |
| ttx | None were posted to the meeting agenda | 16:05 |
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| jeblair | i have a last minute one | 16:05 |
| ttx | We still have a failure on the js-draft preventing easy review of webclient stuff | 16:06 |
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| ttx | but krotscheck said it was a bit tricky | 16:06 |
| jeblair | apparently the lack of support for timeline paging is causing problems for folks | 16:06 |
| ttx | jeblair: what kind of problems ? | 16:07 |
| ttx | If they come from Launchpad they can't find it worse | 16:07 |
| jeblair | ttx: apparently you can't see beyond X entries when looking at a story | 16:07 |
| ttx | jeblair: ah. hm. | 16:07 |
| jeblair | i don't know the value of X, but it is low | 16:08 |
| jeblair | so if there are more than X timeline events or comments, you can't see them | 16:08 |
| jeblair | the server side api implements paging, and so only returns X, but the client side does not, so it only ever retrieves X (it does not know to do another query) | 16:08 |
| ttx | jeblair: could we set an arbitrary large number there ? | 16:08 |
| jeblair | i proposed 159515 which removes server side paging, krotscheck would like to add client side paging. perhaps in the mean time we could just set a very high value for the paging value | 16:09 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah, i think that would be fine | 16:09 |
| ttx | jeblair: that sounds an appropriate workaround | 16:09 |
| jeblair | mostly, i just want to un-break for now | 16:09 |
| ttx | right | 16:09 |
| jeblair | (and hopefully in the future, not get ahead of ourselves again :) | 16:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ sorry late | 16:10 |
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| ttx | anyone feels like proposing a quickfix for this ? | 16:10 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure if we can do that with local config or if it needs a code change | 16:10 |
| * ttx looks at 159515 | 16:10 | |
| ttx | set it to CONF.page_size_maximum instead of default | 16:11 |
| ttx | "if limit is None: limit = CONF.page_size_maximum" in storyboard/api/v1/timeline.py ? | 16:12 |
| jeblair | would it be better to set page_size_default in our config to, eg, 1000? | 16:12 |
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| ttx | jeblair: that's another way, I just have less idea how far it spreads. What is it set to ? | 16:13 |
| ttx | (I mean, currently ?) | 16:13 |
| jeblair | ttx: it's commented out, so is the code default: | 16:13 |
| jeblair | # page_size_default = 20 | 16:13 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: or may be ingonre page size at server-side, and apply paging on client only | 16:14 |
| jeblair | so maybe 20? | 16:14 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I mean for timeline events only | 16:14 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: i would like to avoid paging altogether, but krotscheck says that server side paging is important for performance for stories with many events. | 16:14 |
| jeblair | NikitaKonovalov: so the client can load something and display it quickly | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | jeblair: makes sense | 16:15 |
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| ttx | jeblair: set page_size_default = 100 as a temporary workaround? | 16:15 |
| ttx | assuming people complain they can't see the 21st comment | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: sounds like a good workaround | 16:15 |
| jeblair | ttx: seems reasonable to me; so does the code change (but would need a nice big FIXME because it almost looks correct) | 16:16 |
| ttx | and file a story to remember to fix it properly | 16:16 |
| ttx | jeblair: your call | 16:16 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think the config change will require some puppet work (i don't think that can actually be specified at the moment) | 16:17 |
| jeblair | the code change will be easier | 16:17 |
| ttx | #action jeblair to propose workaround for the "can't see a lot of comments" issue (due to lack of clientside timeline paging) | 16:17 |
| jeblair | i'll take a look :) | 16:17 |
| ttx | jeblair: it's actually closer to the issue, so I think I prefer the FIXME | 16:18 |
| jeblair | ttx: makes sense | 16:18 |
| ttx | jeblair: anything else ? | 16:18 |
| jeblair | ttx: nak | 16:18 |
| ttx | #info We still have a failure on the js-draft preventing easy review of webclient stuff | 16:18 |
| ttx | #topic User feedback | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User feedback (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:19 | |
| ttx | I think the previous one was almost user feedback | 16:19 |
| jeblair | urgent user feedback? :) | 16:19 |
| ttx | last-minute additions to taht category ? | 16:19 |
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| ttx | I'll count that as "no" | 16:20 |
| ttx | #topic Roadmap status review | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap status review (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:20 | |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Ive got some user feedback | 16:20 |
| ttx | I was preparing this meeting and decided to go and update the roiadmap to get a clearer picture of where we stand | 16:20 |
| ttx | #undo | 16:20 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x8622850> | 16:20 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: please submit | 16:20 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | So the issue a user found is that when a page with a story loads it has a lot of placeholders instead of real values | 16:21 |
| ttx | like "undefined" etc ? | 16:21 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so it would be great not to render an empty template to the user | 16:21 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: exactly | 16:21 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: yes, I observe that too -- I suspect the slower your connection to storyboard.o.o the most obvious it is | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | instead there should be some loading gif or something else | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | to hide the page until it is fully populated | 16:22 |
| ttx | I tend to agree with that user of yours | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: yes the web client does a LOT of requests which may be slow | 16:22 |
| ttx | or some greyed out page until it's fully loaded | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: yes like horizon does | 16:23 |
| ttx | greyed out with pseudo progress bullets until it's fully loaded | 16:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'll file a story for that | 16:23 |
| ttx | what do others in more privileged parts of the world think ? | 16:24 |
| ttx | is it a problem there too ? | 16:24 |
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| jeblair | ttx: i notice it too | 16:25 |
| jeblair | ttx: (though more distressing is when it never loads) | 16:25 |
| ttx | jeblair: ok | 16:25 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: yes, file story, and link it here when done | 16:25 |
| * ttx moves on in the mean time | 16:26 | |
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| NikitaKonovalov | here it is https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000183 | 16:26 |
| ttx | #info progressive page load with undefined values until it's loaded does not provide such a great UX | 16:26 |
| ttx | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000183 | 16:26 |
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| ttx | OK, moving on | 16:26 |
| ttx | #topic Roadmap status review | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap status review (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:27 | |
| ttx | So as I said... | 16:27 |
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| ttx | I was preparing this meeting and decided to go and update the roadmap to get a clearer picture of where we stand | 16:27 |
| ttx | I need your collective hepl to make it relevant and current though | 16:27 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Roadmap | 16:27 |
| ttx | So.. top to bottom there | 16:27 |
| ttx | Tags - have a spec, API done, webclient todo | 16:28 |
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| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: will you be going to work on the webclient side too ? | 16:28 |
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| ttx | (don't update the page right now, I'll keep a lock on it to update it myself) | 16:28 |
| ttx | (since wikis are so great at losing concurrent changes) | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: I think yes | 16:29 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: ok great | 16:29 |
| ttx | PythonSDK -- how far along are you ? | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | after the db issues are settled | 16:29 |
| ttx | I considered no spec was needed except "expose all API" | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SDK now coveres 90% of API calls | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | some changes from aripinen are on review to cover the rest | 16:30 |
| ttx | Should we consider it complete as far as the roadmap goes ? | 16:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: it's almost complete | 16:30 |
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| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: it will always catch up anyway | 16:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | agree | 16:30 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: is the difference currently on recent APIs or old ones ? | 16:31 |
| ttx | i.e. can we consider it's complete-except-very-recent-API-obviously | 16:31 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: only recent things like milstones and new token endpoints | 16:31 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | are missing | 16:32 |
| ttx | OK, I'll mark the feature "complete" then | 16:32 |
| ttx | API support for issuing long-lasting Auth Tokens | 16:32 |
| ttx | I don't think there is a spec, do we need one ? | 16:32 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that one is complete | 16:32 |
| ttx | OK | 16:32 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck and yolanda did that | 16:32 |
| * ttx updates | 16:33 | |
| ttx | looks better now | 16:33 |
| ttx | "Branches & Milestones" | 16:33 |
| ttx | we have a spec, and I think API side is done now | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | api is done | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | sdk is partially done | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | web client is not started | 16:34 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: should I add a "SDK" column in that page ? | 16:34 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: I think so | 16:35 |
| ttx | I don't want to duplicate too much of storyboard on that page :) | 16:35 |
| ttx | but until we have task lists it's difficult to do tracking | 16:35 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: ok, I'll add one, just comment on SDK status and I'll add it after meeting | 16:35 |
| ttx | "Story Types phase 1" | 16:36 |
| ttx | So this is the first part of the implementation of the story type spec | 16:36 |
| jeblair | ttx: task lists? | 16:36 |
| ttx | I don't thin kwe have anyone working on that yet | 16:36 |
| jeblair | ttx: (nm, let's wait until open discussion) | 16:37 |
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| ttx | Scream if you think the status there is wrong | 16:37 |
| ttx | "Task Ordering" is next | 16:37 |
| ttx | It is in italic, meaning it's a proposed GSoC/internship topic | 16:38 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I agree on the rest of the statuses | 16:38 |
| ttx | which is why I don't spec it, I think the student should work on spec too | 16:38 |
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| ttx | Also scream if I blatantly miss somethign or if you disagree with the priority order | 16:38 |
| jeblair | can that really wait for gsoc? | 16:38 |
| jeblair | i mean, if it's the _next_ item in feature tracking... | 16:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we are missing pagination | 16:39 |
| ttx | jeblair: yolanda has a potential intern that would be sooner | 16:39 |
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| ttx | Base Task lists (sprint planning) | 16:39 |
| yolanda | yep, i'll be pinging pholland again about her this week | 16:40 |
| ttx | So that is the equivalent of the "planning" use of the milestone in LP. The ability to target a series of tasks to a given event/milestone/sprint | 16:40 |
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| ttx | We have a wiki page describing this, I'll turn it into a spedc | 16:41 |
| jeblair | (ah, this is what you said was missing earlier) | 16:41 |
| ttx | yes | 16:41 |
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| ttx | jeblair: compared to Launchpad which uses milestones both before (for planning) and after milestone (for reporting), in StoryBoard we separate the two | 16:41 |
| ttx | since one is subjective and the other is objective | 16:42 |
| ttx | and going from one to another at milestone time is kind of wrong | 16:42 |
| ttx | based on 7 years of doing that | 16:42 |
| jeblair | ++ | 16:42 |
| ttx | so task lists is the answer | 16:42 |
| ttx | task lists may *also* be the answer to express complex priorities | 16:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: here is the spec for pagination and search https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139638/ This one should be added somwhere | 16:43 |
| ttx | but that's 1.3 material | 16:43 |
| ttx | jeblair: would you put pagination/search in 1.2.1 or 1.2.3 ? | 16:43 |
| ttx | The difference being, 1.2.3 stuff that didn't get done may be deferred to 1.3.2 | 16:43 |
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| ttx | it's "very nice to have" stuff | 16:44 |
| ttx | (so you might also want to move email to 1.2.1) | 16:44 |
| jeblair | ttx: i don't want pagination at all :( | 16:44 |
| ttx | haha | 16:44 |
| ttx | jeblair: I want infinite scrolling, personally | 16:45 |
| ttx | Looks like we spotted a contgention point that may deserve its own debate | 16:46 |
| jeblair | ttx: really quickly, my guess is that should be 1.2.3. | 16:46 |
| ttx | ok, will add | 16:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | than at least marker-based pagination should be available in UI | 16:46 |
| ttx | "Import blueprints in progress from Launchpad" is obviosuly needed in 1.2.2 too | 16:46 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: I'll put it in 1.2.3 and schedule a discussion about it at a future meeting | 16:47 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: ok | 16:47 |
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| ttx | the stuff in 1.2.3 is "urgent polish" | 16:47 |
| ttx | "not so-urgent polish" should move to 1.4 (and the other way around) | 16:48 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | one more missing thing: ACLs | 16:48 |
| ttx | I think CLI interface and Rich text comments and IRC bots make good intern/GSoC topics | 16:48 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: it's down to 1.3 | 16:49 |
| ttx | "Story Types phase 2 (vulnerabilities), ACLs" | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | oh, didn't notice that | 16:49 |
| ttx | Unless you mean something else with ACLs ? | 16:49 |
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| ttx | OK, I'll update the roadmap asap to match all your comments | 16:50 |
| ttx | That should help people decide "what do work on next" | 16:50 |
| ttx | to* | 16:50 |
| ttx | #topic In progress work | 16:51 |
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| ttx | Anyone with an update on that ? | 16:51 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I helped aripinen to create a spec on what to do with foreign keys | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that one is collecting review right now | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | And I'm still working on db session management | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that's my update | 16:52 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: thx! anyone else ? | 16:52 |
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| * ttx switches to Open discussion, if you ahev other updates just shout | 16:53 | |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 16:53 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 16:54 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing from me | 16:54 |
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| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: added SDK status at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Roadmap | 16:56 |
| ttx | Let me know of any incorrect state there | 16:57 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok, I'll check | 16:57 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: would you consider "CLI" to be part of PythonSDK ? | 16:57 |
| reed | since you mentioned tasks for interns, please add a note on wiki/Mentors page so we have a reminder | 16:57 |
| ttx | reed: yes, I'll copy stuff there | 16:57 |
| reed | sweet | 16:57 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ttx: let's keep it separate for now | 16:57 |
| ttx | OK, last minute comments ? | 16:58 |
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| jeblair | ++separate | 16:59 |
| ttx | ok, all set | 17:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 2 17:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-03-02-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-03-02-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-03-02-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| jeblair | thanks! | 17:00 |
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