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| elmiko | #startmeeting Sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 14:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
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| elmiko | hey saharans | 14:00 |
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| elmiko | i'll give folks a few minutes to arrive and then we'll get rolling | 14:01 |
| huichun | ^^ | 14:01 |
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| crobertsrh | Hello/ | 14:01 |
| kchen | hello/ | 14:02 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 14:02 |
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| weiting | O/ | 14:02 |
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| elmiko | ok then | 14:03 |
| elmiko | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:03 |
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| crobertsrh | About 11 items in the review queue. Good progress though. I think I've had 4 or 5 merge in the last week. | 14:03 |
| sreshetn1 | o/ | 14:03 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | Certainly need more eyes on the cluster and job guides | 14:03 |
| elmiko | yea, i highly recommend folks give the guides a run-through if you have the chance | 14:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | the new event-log tab for cluster is also on review | 14:04 |
| elmiko | col | 14:05 |
| elmiko | cool even =) | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but if you want to try it out, you need a sahara-client patched with this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159451/ | 14:05 |
| elmiko | good to know | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | I'm adding it to the etherpad of reviews | 14:06 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | and sahara patched with this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163812/ | 14:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ^^ is very minor thing so I hope we'll get it merged fast | 14:06 |
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| elmiko | anything else from horizon land? | 14:07 |
| crobertsrh | Not that I can think of. | 14:07 |
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| elmiko | ok then, moving on | 14:08 |
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| elmiko | #topic News / updates | 14:08 |
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| elmiko | folks, please | 14:08 |
| tosky | helped pushing two horizon/selenium tests; pending tempest test review to decouple testing from vanilla plugin | 14:09 |
| sreshetn1 | i'm working on tempest client tests in sahara | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | i'm finished work with timeouts patches, work event-log bug-fixes | 14:10 |
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| egafford | Working with sgotliv on the Spark shell job and generally getting him up to speed on Sahara dev. | 14:10 |
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| Nikolay_St | uhm.. not sure that it's for this section, but yesterday I attend the LogWorkingGroup meeting. Looks like we are the first team who is implemented a spec for new logging. | 14:10 |
| elmiko | i've been doing reviews and working on a bug fix for the key manager usage with swift | 14:10 |
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| vgridnev | also, we are going to remove sahara.conf.sample, need review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163779/ | 14:10 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: nice! i was going to cover action items next. we can talk more =) | 14:11 |
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| Nikolay_St | also, try to figure our what wrong with saharaclient gate job of juno cycle | 14:12 |
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| tmckay | news updates still? | 14:14 |
| elmiko | yea | 14:14 |
| tmckay | Okay, I am working on the default-cli CR, it's got an exception for FPF and probably FF if necessary. Reviews would be great (post link in a second) | 14:14 |
| egafford | Nikolay_St: If you're looking into that, I'd like to help. | 14:14 |
| tmckay | I need to add a README for context, and still working on polish but the essential thing is there | 14:14 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: Trevor, hbase common lib is under review | 14:14 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163649/ | 14:14 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162657/ | 14:14 |
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| tmckay | huichun_, great! Sorry I couldn't help resolve the oozie libpath issue, maybe during the freeze I can take a look | 14:14 |
| elmiko | any more news or updates? | 14:15 |
| tmckay | also, job-type-endpoints has stalled a little bit. Working on that, too. We need agreement on the spec. | 14:15 |
| elmiko | tmckay: is there a burning question or just details? | 14:15 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157563/ | 14:16 |
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| Nikolay_St | egafford: I appreciate your help. After two days investigation I only can say that it's not devstack fault. pure devstack installation is look ok. | 14:16 |
| tmckay | elmiko, spec is not merged yet, and the related client CR has some -1 because we were discussing ouput. | 14:16 |
| elmiko | tmckay: ack | 14:16 |
| elmiko | ok, moving on | 14:16 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161448/ | 14:16 |
| egafford | Nikolay_St: I agree with your assessment. :) | 14:17 |
| huichun_ | tmckay:hi Trevor, i am now have time to research that issue, will email you if any updates | 14:17 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I hope to spin through that stuff again today | 14:17 |
| elmiko | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:17 |
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| tmckay | huichun_, excellent, thank you. | 14:17 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: do you want to brief us on the log meeting? | 14:17 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: yeap | 14:17 |
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| Nikolay_St | I don't have much to say - look like community is busy before FF, so no active discussions on Logs. | 14:18 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: if you have edp job related bp or bugs, you can assign it to me, we have finished the cdh integrtion tests, so we have lots of time now | 14:18 |
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| elmiko | Nikolay_St: ok, good to know | 14:19 |
| Nikolay_St | At the next meeting I will present a short list of how we can improve logging. some notices about where we should|shouldn't have LOG entries | 14:19 |
| Nikolay_St | smthg like that | 14:19 |
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| tmckay | huichun_, excellent. Take a look through existing [EDP] bugs, and if you see something you would like to fix, just assign yourself (I think you have privilege) | 14:19 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: great! | 14:19 |
| elmiko | ok, other action item was, Nikolay_St to investigate hacking checks for import groups | 14:19 |
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| huichun_ | ok | 14:19 |
| Nikolay_St | this guys expect that the more work started after 31march iirc | 14:20 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: that's done | 14:20 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: excellent! | 14:20 |
| elmiko | that's all for action items from last week | 14:20 |
| Nikolay_St | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163021/ | 14:20 |
| tmckay | huichun_, oh, I will need help soon for default-templates. I will need a sane default template set for each plugin | 14:20 |
| elmiko | #topic Open discussion | 14:20 |
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| Nikolay_St | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163123/ | 14:21 |
| tmckay | huichun_, the README will explain it (up soon). Just JSON files, with some replacement fields | 14:21 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: thanks | 14:21 |
| tmckay | huichun_, so, if you can help me make a CDH set, that would be great | 14:21 |
| kchen | tmckay: when you say default templates, do you mean the cluster or node group template? | 14:21 |
| tmckay | just a generic CDH cluster that a user would like to launch "out of the box" | 14:21 |
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| huichun_ | tmckay: i have seen that, you just finish HDP plugin, right? | 14:21 |
| tmckay | kchen, yes, cluster and node group templates | 14:21 |
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| tmckay | huichun_, oh, that was job types endpoint. That's another issue :) | 14:22 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: sorry, that's edp endpoint bp, does that bp need for every plugin? | 14:23 |
| tmckay | kchen, the idea is that you run the default templates CLI and it loads template sets distributed with Sahara into the database (with some config added by user) and then a user can run a cluster without the manual steps of adding templates themselves | 14:23 |
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| tmckay | kchen, aimed at ease of use and quick introduction to Sahara | 14:23 |
| tmckay | huichun_, yes | 14:23 |
| kchen | tmckay: it is be/default-templates, right? | 14:23 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: ok, I will help on CDH set on default-template | 14:23 |
| tmckay | huichun_, pretty easy, but I hadn't done the plugin CRs because the spec and main CR are not merged yet | 14:23 |
| tmckay | kchen, yes | 14:24 |
| weiting | tmckay, so the default template provide a minimal cluster to help the customer launch the cluster, right? | 14:24 |
| kchen | so it is only for CLI. Can we use it on Horizon? | 14:25 |
| tmckay | weiting, exactly | 14:25 |
| tosky | about templates: I had to create cluster/node group templates for Tempest tests, and I noticed that, for cluster configuration, the parameters are like dfs_replication instead of dfs.replication like all the others | 14:25 |
| egafford | tmckay: I can pitch in on any default templates that don't have coverage; let me know. | 14:26 |
| tmckay | kchen, well, the templates will be available from the UI once they are installed. But the installation itself will be from a new (small) CLI | 14:26 |
| tosky | is it something that depends on CDH internal? Could it be changed in the plugin to have the same parameter as the other Hadoop flavors? Is it worth to file a bug/wishlist? | 14:26 |
| tmckay | tosky, yes, file a bug/wishlist and we can discuss on the bug | 14:27 |
| tmckay | egafford, thank you | 14:27 |
| tmckay | kchen, the idea is that a Sahara admin will install default templates for the desired plugins at Sahara installation time, and then will update them occasionally (when needs change, or a Sahara update, etc) | 14:28 |
| tmckay | kchen, they are special because they cannot be deleted or modified, except from the CLI. | 14:28 |
| tmckay | kchen, there is an "is_default" field that can only be set through the conductor API, not REST. | 14:28 |
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| elmiko | anyone have more topics for discussion? | 14:31 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:32 |
| Nikolay_St | I have | 14:32 |
| Nikolay_St | just a request | 14:32 |
| kchen | tmckay: so "is_default" means the template cannot be changed by REST, right? | 14:32 |
| Nikolay_St | as far as we have a spec for logging style, please, follow it :) | 14:33 |
| tmckay | kchen, yes | 14:33 |
| kchen | tmckay: i see, thanks | 14:33 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: can you link the logging spec again please | 14:33 |
| tmckay | Nikolay_St, ack, I was in a hurry and just typed what came into my head :) I will change it. | 14:33 |
| Nikolay_St | for example, don't use crazy string formatting | 14:33 |
| Nikolay_St | tmckay: ok | 14:33 |
| Nikolay_St | #link: https://github.com/openstack/sahara-specs/blob/master/specs/kilo/sahara-log-guidelines.rst | 14:34 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: thanks | 14:34 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162209/ | 14:34 |
| tmckay | kchen, ^^ default template spec | 14:35 |
| tmckay | kchen, needs to be adjust slightly (will do that today) based on work | 14:35 |
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| kchen | tmckay: ok. I will check that | 14:37 |
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| kchen | Nikolay_St: is it for bp/new-style-logging? | 14:39 |
| Nikolay_St | kchen: yeap | 14:39 |
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| kchen | Nikolay_St: I saw you already have a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154037/, so what need we do other than reviewing it? | 14:41 |
| Nikolay_St | kchen: in the spec we have an instructions about what log levels to use in general. also, we decide to use pep3101 for log formats. | 14:44 |
| Nikolay_St | #link https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/ | 14:44 |
| kchen | ok | 14:45 |
| Nikolay_St | kchen: we try to make it as simple as possible | 14:47 |
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| elmiko | anything else? | 14:50 |
| Nikolay_St | not from my side | 14:51 |
| elmiko | ok then, thank you to everyone for attending! | 14:52 |
| egafford | Thanks elmiko! | 14:53 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 14:53:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-12-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-12-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-12-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: thanks | 14:53 |
| kchen | thanks | 14:53 |
| Nikolay_St | bye, guys! | 14:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: mlavalle: pc_m: haleyb: hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 15:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | One more week until K3. I can’t believe it myself. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we’ll have a short meeting today. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any bugs we need to be aware of? | 15:04 |
| pc_m | I had questions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1431077 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431077 in neutron "TRACE: attribute error when trying to fetch the router.snat_namespace.name" [Undecided,New] | 15:04 |
| pc_m | When _process_added_router() called for DVR , should there be a namespace set up already? | 15:05 |
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| * carl_baldwin looks at code... | 15:05 | |
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| carl_baldwin | At the point _process_added_router is called, there may not be a namespace. It is part of _router_added to create the namespace. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: ^ | 15:07 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: OK, so looks like VPN code is expecting there to be a namespace. | 15:08 |
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| pc_m | do we know if the sequence there has changed a bit? | 15:09 |
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| pc_m | (did it create namespace earlier, before?) | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I don’t think so but we can look at it a bit later on in the day. | 15:09 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: sure | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | pc_m: the way I understand this is that the sequence didn't change. What I discovered when working in the refactoring is that the namespace is created implcitely under certain circumstances. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I will be on-and-off a bit this morning but will be working late. | 15:10 |
| pc_m | Looks like VPN expects the router to have a namespace. | 15:11 |
| pc_m | I'll look at the VPN code more and can touch base later. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: It seems like a reasonable expectation for vpn. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I mean, if it isn’t there vpnaas can’t do much. :) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | pc_m: I can share with you whant I discovered after the meting and maybe we can come to a better understanding | 15:12 |
| pc_m | mlavalle: that would be nice. Thanks! | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: mlavalle: I should be on solidly after about 11MDT and until 7MDT. Grab me then. | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | will do | 15:13 |
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| pc_m | roger that | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs? | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | I did put up one more patch to clean up some remaining router stuff in the agent. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163222/ | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | It changes the sequence of some things wrt to ha routers but I didn’t think it would be a problem. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ^ | 15:16 |
| amuller | ack | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | It was very tangly. :) Teasing it apart was an interesting mental exercise. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | That is about all I have. Just hoping it can all get in. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we’re missing John, Salvatore, and Ryan today. | 15:19 |
| seizadi | carl:john is on PTO I'm sitting in for him | 15:20 |
| seizadi | I don't have anything new to report | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | We are planning to get together tomorrow morning to discuss testing of the reference implementation integration with external IPAM. | 15:20 |
| seizadi | On IRC? | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | We don’t know yet exactly whre we’ll meet. Possibly IRC. If you’re interested, contact me directly and I’ll let you know where/how we will discuss. | 15:21 |
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| seizadi | OK, I'll | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | It looks like the time will be 8am PDT to accomodate various parts of the world. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | seizadi: Thanks. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic dvr | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t think I have anything to discuss and I don’t see dvr team around. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:24 |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162840/? I think it may avert the issue we see with the namespace. | 15:26 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: It's a VPN commit. | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Yes, I will review it. | 15:27 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Essentially, as part of fixing another issue, it changes the sync in VPN to not create a process manager for the VPN process and then turn around an immediately delete it, because no VPN associated with router. | 15:27 |
| pc_m | Doing that, it will never ask for namespace. | 15:27 |
| pc_m | Although we do need to understand why the expected namespace is not available. | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | pc_m, carl_baldwin: did we need a solution to force an iptables apply? i am still struggling through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158863/ but there's a dependent VPN commit that seems to need the funcionality | 15:29 |
| haleyb | it would be easy to add a flag to apply() in the short term | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: We can still discuss later. I’ll take a look at the review. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: OK. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: What is the dependent VPN commit? | 15:30 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158865/ | 15:30 |
| pc_m | haleyb: So this is to defer the apply() and VPN applies immediately? | 15:30 |
| pc_m | that's FWaaS | 15:31 |
| haleyb | doh, you're right | 15:31 |
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| pc_m | had me confused a bit as I didn't know of such change. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: pc_m: Makes more sense now. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | ;) | 15:32 |
| haleyb | yes, i will go get more coffee :) | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | carl_baldwin: you can ping me offline on that if you want | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: ok. Let’s chat about it a bit later. | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Last call for Open Discussion... | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks everyone. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 15:37:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-12-15.01.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-12-15.01.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-12-15.01.log.html | 15:37 |
| yamamoto | bye | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | bye | 15:37 |
| pc_m | bye | 15:38 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 16:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| annegentle | o/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | hello annegentle | 16:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 16:00 |
| kaufer | hello | 16:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 16:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | hello | 16:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:01 |
| annegentle | agenda link? | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| annegentle | heh I'm first | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic JSON schema in WADL for http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 16:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "JSON schema in WADL for http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158348/ | 16:02 |
| annegentle | thanks etoews | 16:03 |
| etoews | wanna give us a run down annegentle ? | 16:03 |
| annegentle | I don't know how much more introduction is needed, but I wanted to bring a use case to this group to get input | 16:03 |
| annegentle | basically, we now use WADL to create http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 16:03 |
| annegentle | Those WADLs have... okay some of the WADLs have schema in XSD format. | 16:03 |
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| cdent | is that WADL hand made ? | 16:04 |
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| annegentle | the schemas aren't complete, but they do tell us what parameter types are expected | 16:04 |
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| katco | annegentle: sorry this is my first meeting, can i add something? | 16:04 |
| annegentle | cdent: yes, and hand maintained, so that the service code doesn't get changed out from under us | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i'm really curious about the WADL too, i've been wanting to do something for sahara but i thought there were plans to move away from WADL for the api-ref page? | 16:05 |
| annegentle | cdent: they can be generated, sure, but then shouldn't be autogenerated all the time, so that app devs can rely on the "contract" | 16:05 |
| etoews | annegentle: hand maintained by who? | 16:05 |
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| annegentle | etoews: Not very many people. Stats: http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/api-site/90 | 16:05 |
| cdent | annegentle: I wasn't suggesting they should be auto-generated, just was curious how they were generated, as I have tried to use them to auto-generate gabbi tests and had some issues as well. | 16:06 |
| annegentle | katco: sure, there's gonna need to be a lot of background looks like | 16:06 |
| annegentle | cdent: ah ok, sure. | 16:06 |
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| annegentle | cdent: you can see the maintenance is tough :) | 16:06 |
| cdent | :) | 16:06 |
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| elmiko | annegentle: has there been any further talk of moving away from WADL? | 16:06 |
| katco | so i just wanted to clarify; the docs do a great job at generating a human readable site that hints at what parameters are needed, but in terms of semantic structure, it doesn't outline the actual format expected | 16:07 |
| etoews | annegentle: IMO the maintenance should be on the project teams for the raw schema info | 16:07 |
| annegentle | elmiko: yes, I'd like to next release, but there is no resource assigned to that now | 16:07 |
| annegentle | katco: yes, agreed. | 16:07 |
| elmiko | annegentle: ack, thanks. i'd really like for sahara to participate in api-ref | 16:07 |
| annegentle | katco: some of the struggle is in "human-readable or contract-based"? | 16:07 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: great, you got my bug and request then? | 16:08 |
| katco | annegentle: i don't think the two are mutually exclusive | 16:08 |
| etoews | elmiko: do you think sahara would be willing to be an early adopter (guniea pig) for whatever comes after WADL? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | annegentle: i don't think i saw it, refresh? | 16:08 |
| annegentle | elmiko: oh it was to Sergey, sorry https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1430860 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1430860 in openstack-api-site "Sahara project does not have API docs on the API Reference page at http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html" [High,Confirmed] | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | etoews: i think it's a real possibility. i'd be happy to help on the effort | 16:09 |
| elmiko | annegentle: no worries =) | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | etoews: just as an aside, i did generate swagger for sahara so i think that's a step in the right direction for whatever format we end up moving to | 16:09 |
| annegentle | elmiko: cool | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | annegentle: also, i've started a project to help generate swagger for pecan based apps as well | 16:10 |
| annegentle | elmiko: my recent request is due to sahara being included in the "big tent" but not having required API reference | 16:10 |
| annegentle | but we are digressing off topic, is that enough background info? | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | annegentle: ack, thanks! | 16:10 |
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| annegentle | knowing we are going off of WADL but without a true timeline with deadlines, katco went ahead and made JSON Schema fit into the WADL | 16:11 |
| annegentle | for Block Storage API | 16:11 |
| cdent | I would prefer to see us move to a modern format (like swagger) instead of further relying upon (and confusing-up) the WADL | 16:11 |
| elmiko | cdent: +1 | 16:11 |
| cdent | However, given the lack of timeline, that may not be practical. | 16:11 |
| annegentle | cdent: sure, but what about the timeline? should people wait another six months (minimum) | 16:11 |
| cdent | :) | 16:12 |
| annegentle | cdent: right | 16:12 |
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| etoews | cdent: +1 OTOH most of it wouldn't be wasted effort. the json schema can be reused in swagger (or whatever) | 16:12 |
| cdent | yeah, if katco has already done the work, why not use it? | 16:12 |
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| annegentle | my guess is we wouldn't get full json schema coverage (unless katco is really really amazing) :) | 16:13 |
| katco | annegentle: well i certainly plan on doing so for cinder | 16:14 |
| cdent | we dont need to require parity do we: it's an added bonus where it is provided | 16:14 |
| annegentle | and that was Jon's difficulty | 16:14 |
| katco | annegentle: we'll see what my team's appetite is for the rest of openstack :) | 16:14 |
| annegentle | katco: right :) it's a lot | 16:14 |
| katco | annegentle: well when you're maintaining an sdk... | 16:15 |
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| annegentle | so my thought was to bring it to this group, for arbitration? Mediation? Meditation? :) | 16:16 |
| annegentle | Guidance really. | 16:16 |
| etoews | katco: right. it's a huge effort on the doc side but that saves a ton of effort times the number of sdks being supported | 16:16 |
| katco | etoews: definitely | 16:17 |
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| annegentle | katco: what also gave me pause was that Jon is also working on a Go SDK -- so if he was hesitant, what did that mean? | 16:17 |
| annegentle | since I'm no SDK dev | 16:18 |
| katco | annegentle: i don't know, i don't know why additional information would hinder his progress | 16:18 |
| annegentle | I just play one on TV, er stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, er. | 16:18 |
| katco | lol | 16:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:18 |
| annegentle | generally speaking is consistency across all OpenStack APIs a requirement for gaining trust in the info provided? | 16:19 |
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| annegentle | perhaps that's the heart of this... that people don't know if they can trust upstream? | 16:19 |
| annegentle | cdent: might have an opinion based on what you saw | 16:19 |
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| cdent | I'm no sure I understand the question? | 16:20 |
| etoews | annegentle: in terms of the accuracy of the api doc? | 16:20 |
| annegentle | etoews: in terms of accuracy which in this case extends to machine readability | 16:20 |
| annegentle | etoews: as in, should the upstream doc offer machine readability at all | 16:20 |
| cdent | ah. my very first expectation was for strict accuracy, but was quickly disabused of that notion... | 16:21 |
| annegentle | cdent: if you couldn't do what you needed machine-wise with the upstream WADL then perhaps they are meant for human eyes only. | 16:21 |
| katco | isn't machine readability the point of wadl/swagger/etc.? it's how the documentation site is generated after all | 16:21 |
| cdent | Yeah, that's the conclusion I reached, but it would have been helped by having that stated explicitly | 16:22 |
| cdent | (if it already is, I missed it) | 16:22 |
| annegentle | katco: cdent: ok then the next question is, are the machines going to have to read only XSD for now until we get our timelines in place for swagger | 16:22 |
| annegentle | katco: (does that accurately encapsulate the difficulty, that your machines can't read XSD?) | 16:22 |
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| katco | annegentle: i can support whatever format you find most agreeable; what's important to me is only that the information is present in any format. | 16:23 |
| cdent | I defer to katco: i satisfied my needs (for now), by hand :) | 16:23 |
| annegentle | cdent: in what format did you make those in? | 16:23 |
| katco | i would sort of like to stick with the work i've already done if possible though :) | 16:23 |
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| cdent | I was trying to auto-generate tests from the WADL when I realized I couldn't do that, I wrote the tests by hand, using the HTML output by the WADL as a guideline. | 16:24 |
| elmiko | even if we migrate to swagger, i have a feeling there will still be a need for hand hacking some information in | 16:24 |
| annegentle | cdent: ah ok | 16:24 |
| annegentle | cdent: so the WADL and XSD was still the "source of truth" | 16:24 |
| ryansb | elmiko: yeah, that's somewhat expected, and (IMO) swagger is a bit easier to hand-hack | 16:24 |
| elmiko | ryansb: agreed | 16:24 |
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| annegentle | honestly I'm fine with accepting the patch as-is -- it's community doc after all. | 16:24 |
| annegentle | but consistency and re-use and trust are of course needed. | 16:25 |
| cdent | annegentle: I'd have to say _a_ "source of truth" that got me started, but was not complete | 16:25 |
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| annegentle | cdent: and incompleteness is also unfortunately a side effect of "community doc" | 16:25 |
| cdent | yeah, and something I understood from the start | 16:25 |
| annegentle | ok | 16:26 |
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| annegentle | don't want to take up all meeting time with the topic, but thank you all for the input. | 16:26 |
| annegentle | If you could vote on the review itself, that'll help a lot! | 16:26 |
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| etoews | annegentle: can we call it an experiment? have a look at the results of whatever consumes that json schema before going all in? | 16:26 |
| katco | etoews: ask and ye shall receive :) https://github.com/katco-/goose/blob/cinder-support/cinder/autogenerated_client.go | 16:27 |
| annegentle | katco: can you link to go goose | 16:27 |
| annegentle | :) yes thank you | 16:27 |
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| annegentle | etoews: yep definitely want to experiment! | 16:27 |
| katco | etoews: that is 100% generated code from https://github.com/katco-/wadl2go | 16:27 |
| cdent | what a _fanstastic_ name | 16:28 |
| cdent | (goose) | 16:28 |
| etoews | katco: wadl+json schema? | 16:28 |
| elmiko | katco: neat! | 16:28 |
| katco | etoews: yes; however, wadl is the driver | 16:28 |
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| katco | etoews: it could support xsd, xml schema, etc. etc. | 16:28 |
| katco | elmiko: ty! | 16:28 |
| etoews | this definitely looks interesting. nice work katco. | 16:30 |
| katco | etoews: ty, couldn't have done it with the support of this community | 16:30 |
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| etoews | annegentle: katco: thanks for bringing this up. i think the action here is for people who are interested to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158348/3 | 16:30 |
| annegentle | yes. thanks etoews! | 16:30 |
| etoews | let's move on | 16:31 |
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| etoews | #topic errors | 16:31 |
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| katco | i need to run, but feel free to ping me here on freenode with any questions | 16:31 |
| katco | thank you for your time! | 16:31 |
| etoews | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/055570.html | 16:31 |
| etoews | thanks katco | 16:31 |
| etoews | so there was that extensive thread on errors | 16:32 |
| etoews | i'd like to come up with a guideline for errors | 16:32 |
| etoews | i'd probably use json schema to express it | 16:32 |
| etoews | any thoughts on that? | 16:32 |
| cdent | json schema seems right, was there resolution on the idea of codes within the message body (instead of just messages)? | 16:33 |
| * cdent kind of lost track of the thread | 16:33 | |
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| elmiko | i wonder if any of the logging wg folks have weighed in on this as well. if we are going to define a schema for output it might be nice to see if they have any ideas. | 16:34 |
| etoews | there was some intersection between the two | 16:34 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:35 |
| etoews | i'd like to decouple it as much as possible though. the error code could be the interface between the two. doesn't that make sense? | 16:35 |
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| etoews | s/doesn't/does/ | 16:35 |
| cdent | yes | 16:35 |
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| cdent | the point of the code is to allow (and limit to just) that kind of coupling | 16:35 |
| etoews | yep | 16:36 |
| etoews | and maybe some kind of "transaction id" too | 16:36 |
| elmiko | makes sense | 16:36 |
| elmiko | we added unique id's to the error messages in sahara recently, i think they are useful if there is a clear path on what to do with the ids | 16:36 |
| cdent | isn't there already some kind of request id middleware thingie used in some of the projects (which would allow _it_ to be decoupled from _this_) | 16:37 |
| elmiko | otherwise it's just another uuid to clutter up the log | 16:37 |
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| etoews | elmiko: ya. there needs to be a clear connect between the error response and what's going on in the log. | 16:38 |
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| etoews | once the guideline is ready i would definitely ask the logging folks to review. | 16:38 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:38 |
| etoews | #action etoews to create an error guideline | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure the best way to make that connection, but i've experienced some head-scratching moments trying to figure out what all these extra ids and codes are supposed to help with | 16:39 |
| etoews | elmiko: i've got ideas in my head about that and need to get them out to see if the match up with anyone else's ideas about that | 16:40 |
| elmiko | etoews: awesome! | 16:40 |
| etoews | #topic versioning | 16:40 |
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| etoews | sigmavirus24: did you want to talk about this? | 16:40 |
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| rosmaita | if not, i added the subtopic | 16:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'll defer to rosmaita | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | ok, suppose there is a project, not glance, that is considering adding some new functionality | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | on a new endpoint | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | and it's not completely clear that the api is right | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | i mean | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | it is right syntactically, restful and all that | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | but may not expose all the right stuff for the purpose | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | what would it mean if we called it EXPERIMENTAL | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | what are our obligations about deprecation, etc | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | that's basically it | 16:44 |
| etoews | beta might be a better word but i get what you mean | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | well, i was looking at the api ref, it's got current, supported and experimental | 16:44 |
| etoews | ah | 16:44 |
| elmiko | is there an X-DONT-EXPECT-TO-LAST header? ;) | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | that could be arranged | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: +2 | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i like being able to have an experimental api, but i also know how experimental can quickly lead to production if too many people get used to it | 16:45 |
| etoews | *wonders if there's any room for expressing "experiementalness" in nova's microversions* | 16:46 |
| rosmaita | well, we think it's pretty much ready, but want it to get a workout | 16:46 |
| dtroyer | so break it once in a while? | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | how about the traditional approach of not documenting what you don't want people to massively adopt? | 16:46 |
| etoews | elmiko: definitely a valid concern | 16:46 |
| rosmaita | miguelgrinberg: that also can be arranged | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | jaypipes: has also had choice words to say about experimental APIs. | 16:47 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: basically the approach to a "private" api | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I suspect if cyeoh were around he'd agree | 16:47 |
| miguelgrinberg | right, you can expose undocumented endpoints to test the waters, then decide in a later release if they make it as a public endpoint or not | 16:47 |
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| etoews | rosmaita: would you have people willing to code to the undocumented endpoints to test them? | 16:48 |
| rosmaita | rosmaita: we actually want it to be used, though | 16:48 |
| rosmaita | etoews: i think the endpoints would have to exist in service catalogs | 16:48 |
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| TravT | Think of it like Nova extensions. | 16:48 |
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| dtroyer | I don't like the undocumented bit, that leads to undocumented production APIs. | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: one would likely be tested by Murano | 16:48 |
| elmiko | is this a case where increased usage of json-home would help to clear up what is experimental and what is not? | 16:49 |
| TravT | there is code today in horizon that optionally exposes a feature if the extension is available. | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | The other is desired by Horizon but Horizon will probably be less likely to adopt an experimental (undocumented) API | 16:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: difference between experimental and extension is that an extension is ostensibly production ready | 16:49 |
| rosmaita | how about we doc it as experimental? | 16:49 |
| rosmaita | we just want to hedge on whether we can introduce breaking changes | 16:50 |
| dtroyer | it is up to the discipline of client-side devs to not make experimental APIs default…if they always require specific action to be used, there should be no surprises down the road | 16:50 |
| elmiko | dtroyer++ | 16:51 |
| dtroyer | and it will be those devs (and their users) who feel the pain when things break because they did not follow that | 16:51 |
| etoews | dtroyer: that's reasonable to me | 16:51 |
| rosmaita | dtroyer: so are you saying it's ok to make a breaking change, it's buyer-beware? | 16:52 |
| etoews | rosmaita: in terms of doc'ing it, i don't think these nova docs go far enough http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html | 16:52 |
| dtroyer | for experimental, yes | 16:52 |
| TravT | dtroyer: that makes sense and the experimental designation is just more of notification so developers know and can make an informed decision? | 16:52 |
| dtroyer | it would still be nice to do the versioning thing though | 16:52 |
| lakshmiS | dtroyer: +1 | 16:52 |
| etoews | all they say is EXPERIMENTAL but don't explain what it really means. | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | etoews: yes, we would be much more explicit | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | in fact, that's why i raised the question | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | what about the header business? | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | we are thinking experimental in K, will make a decision to finalize in L | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | not sure a header will really help | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | but maybe that was a joke | 16:54 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure that it would help, just throwing it out there | 16:54 |
| TravT | X-API-Status: Experimental | 16:55 |
| etoews | rosmaita: and this would be for a new endpoint of an existing api or a new project/api altogether. | 16:55 |
| elmiko | given that many apis use the version as the root, e.g. /v1/.... , couldn't we recommend using /experimental/... or similar? (or does this break too many wsgi servers) | 16:55 |
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| dtroyer | I'm not sure what a header adds if you already know the API is experimental by picking it out of the service catalog that way | 16:55 |
| rosmaita | elmiko: that's an interesting idea | 16:56 |
| TravT | or typically, you'd see v0.1 | 16:56 |
| dtroyer | or even use /x1/ or similar so you still follow the conventions of production | 16:56 |
| elmiko | right, x1 is nice and short too =) | 16:57 |
| rosmaita | works for me | 16:57 |
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| elmiko | then you would know from the endpoint in the service catalog what you are pointing at | 16:57 |
| TravT | that seems nice and clean | 16:57 |
| dtroyer | I think one of the keys is that while experimental, it should still mirror production practices | 16:57 |
| TravT | and we don't have to upgrade keystone features to support it. | 16:57 |
| rosmaita | dtroyer: no problem there | 16:57 |
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| etoews | hmmmm...so what's the path for going from experimental to production in terms of versioning? | 16:58 |
| elmiko | that's a tougher question imo | 16:58 |
| TravT | x1 become v1? or x2.4 becomes v2.4? | 16:58 |
| etoews | i somehow thought we were moving away from putting the version in the url | 16:58 |
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| dtroyer | TravT: that was my thinking, or start over at /v1 | 16:59 |
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| etoews | e.g. nova using a header for it's versioning | 16:59 |
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| dtroyer | etoews: I'd love that, but if it will have one in production it should have one in exp... | 16:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I'd love to move away from that | 16:59 |
| elmiko | etoews: i had not considered that | 16:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | Accept headers for JSON APIs are the de facto standard mostly anywhere else | 17:00 |
| etoews | looks like we'll have to continue in #openstack-api | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 17:00:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| cdent | sigmavirus24++ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-12-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews ! | 17:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think we have “lighter” attendance today? | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see rkukura | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh-gv is sick, and banix indicated he can’t make it either | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng: hi | 18:01 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:02 |
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| Yi | time got changed? | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yes i sent out an email, its on account of PDT | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: oops, i think i missed you on that email, apologies | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 18:03:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_12th_2015 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i tweaked the meeting format a wee bit and added a “standing items” agenda at the top | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Standing_items | 18:04 |
| yapeng | hello | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: hemanthravi rkukura: hi | 18:04 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:05 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can add/delete from the standing items as necessary | 18:05 |
| yapeng | the meeting time has changed? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: daylight savings | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | UTC time has not changed | 18:05 |
| rkukura | yapeng: Its UTC time hasn’t changed | 18:05 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: oh, i forgot this :) | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: i sent out a reminder email, but i think i forgot to add you and Yi, apologies | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info Kilo-2 is March 16th | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with that lets quickly run through the standing agenda items | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I have not posted the new stable/juno yes because we still have some reviews pending which targeted for this | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/kilo-bug-squash | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe ivar-lazzaro had comments on each of your two patches | 18:08 |
| rkukura | yes, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161619/, he wanted me to change the UT approach | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so once we wrap up these two bugs, and backport, i think we can cut the new stable | 18:10 |
| rkukura | And just a nit on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161968/ | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i will look out for the new patches (other cores please look out as well) | 18:10 |
| rkukura | Changing the UTs would take me some time - probably next week | 18:10 |
| rkukura | With neutron kilo-3 coming up, I need to prioritize that right now | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro: is there any middle ground on this? i would hate to delay the stable/juno even further | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I’d think we could file a bug to improve the UT later | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, ivar-lazzaro does that work for you? | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | sure | 18:13 |
| rkukura | I could also add a REVISIT comment in the current UT | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: either one works for me | 18:13 |
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| rkukura | I’ll respin both patches today, adding the REVISIT and fixing the nit. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | great, lets try to close this today, and the backport by tomorrow, so i can cut the new stable/juno over the weekend | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks! | 18:14 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think the bug which magesh-gv has is critical for the backport | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, any other bugs that we need to discuss today? | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i just noticed that the links i have posted for the bug categories are not working any more, will fix | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant links in the meetings page | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration Tests | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | may be i will spend a couple of mins here explaining to the team what we need to do | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | first we need to configur an openstack-infra gate job such that it will trigger a run on every patch-set (just like we have pep8 and py27 UT jobs today) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for this i had posted the patch: | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161511 | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | still waiting for reviews on that | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently this is being proposed as an experimental job | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | which means it will not run automatically, you would have to do a “check experimental” to trigger it | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once we are comfortable that the job works as desired, we will make it voting on all patches | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for this job to run, we need to implement pre- and post-job hooks in GBP as well | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have posted a patch for this in GBP: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161532 | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above scripts are to help customize the job for GBP | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the job can trigger all kinds of functional and tempest tests | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | nice | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnub is working on adapting his test suite such that the job will run those tests | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would characterize those tests more in the functional category | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still need the tempest tests | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good development here is that other projects have started moving their tempest tests from the tempest repo to the individual project repos | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so there is some precedence that we can use | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in terms of how this is done, and how the tempest lib is used | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | of course, we need to write the tempest tests as well | 18:23 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Are tempest-speciifc clients required, or can we use python-gbpclient? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not clear on that level of detail, but i believe tempest used to have a client wrapper inside to make rest calls? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont think that has changed | 18:24 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: That’s what I was refering to | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so good point, we need someone to do this investigation, and hence... | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any volunteers to work on this? ;-) | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is a critical area of the project, and will need ongoing effort and committment | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we dont have to decide here, but please let me know if you would like to pitch in | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as it stands, this is the responsibility of the entire team - so if you write a new feature, you sign up to write the tempest tests for that as well! | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 on that | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | of course, we need to have the framework in place first, but assuming we have that | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ack | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions, on the above? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this aspect has been top of mind for a long time, but we really have to get this done now, and we will track the progress on a weekly basis | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay moving on :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging update | 18:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:29 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything significant to report? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we already discussed the stable branches | 18:29 |
| rkukura | nothing recent - plan to update fedora and RDO once the stable/juno release happens | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah so one more on that | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i notice susaant is here too | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we owe susaant at least three reviews on the heat/automation side | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and couple of those are backport-worthy | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: apologies, i believe you have been patiently waiting for almost a month now | 18:31 |
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| susaant | SumitNaiksatam: Not a problem. | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so we will need to include those in the stable/juno for gbp-automation | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will coordinate with susaant today and tomorrow | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: thanks! | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:31 |
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| rkukura | Will we be releasing for all 4 repos? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:32 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x90890d0> | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:32 |
| rkukura | thanks | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have a patch that i need to post on UI side that i have been sitting on | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we need to get that reviewed and merged as well | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | phew! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have anything specific on this for today, but i wanted to note this as a standing agenda item | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | over course of time we need to track that each feature is documented (just like tempest test support) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, if you haven’t noticed already, we do have in-tree documentation: | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/tree/master/doc/source | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | would really appreciate more feedback on this and feel free to propose patches to edit/update this | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | now coming to the agenda items specifically for today | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Project Proposal | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161902/ | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | per discussion in last meeting, we went ahead and put forward the proposal | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please read and feel free to comment | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it should not surprise any one, since its mostly what we have been discussing all along | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i changed this to WIP earlier today since there were some comments, and it was felt that we should address them before proposal gets discussed in the TC meeting | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any thoughts on the above? | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | one of the things that we needed to do was to have the PTL elections | 18:39 |
| rkukura | Are we going to wait for temest-based gate tests before removing WIP? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: at this point i think we would want the gate job to be running | 18:40 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Do you mean the current no-op test? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i do not believe this is an explicit requirement though | 18:41 |
| hemanthravi | is that the only reqmt for removing wip | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps more than just the no-op test :-) | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hemanthravi: I think the PTL election is another one | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: we have proactively put this into WIP | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | though even on that we did not get -1 | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Those seem reasonable requirements to me | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | since there is no prior precedence of PTL elections for stackforge projects | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence we proactively put into WIP | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does everyone agree with the approach, or have other suggestions? | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | That's what we are here for right? setting precedents ;) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice one! ;-) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: to your question, i dont know | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: this is an evolving topic, so if you see the TC meeting last week, there were a number of things which came up during the discussion of the Magnum proposal | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | though to the best of my knowledge there are not new requirements, yet | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the TC will evaluate a few more proposals in the next meeting, and take if from there | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are running behind schedule today | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP PTL elections | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058783.html | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is one candidate so far: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058925.html | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I expect the wiki page: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/PTL_Elections_Kilo_Liberty | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to be updated with the list of candidates and the results | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if you have a commit in the GBP project, you get to vote | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anye questions/comments on the above? | 18:48 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Do you know when the polling starts/ends? | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | --> March 17, 2015 - 1300 UTC March 24, 2015: PTL elections | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think its mentioned on the wiki, i believe starts on march 18th, ends on march 24th | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh march 17th then | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:49 |
| rkukura | I see - thanks | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs | 18:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:50 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know yapeng and Yi are patiently waiting | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we spent significant amount of time on the reviews yesterday | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: and rkukura thanks for the reviews | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: and yapeng thanks for your time and indulging as well | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng do we need to discuss anything today, or are you good? | 18:51 |
| yapeng | thanks for all the comments. I think we are all good for now | 18:51 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam: I am good here | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159725, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156776, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156856 | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: Yi: sweet | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Floating IP support (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:51 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh-gv has been sick for the past couple of days, so he is not able to make it | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he still working on this though, and has sent an update | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he says - “For floating IP support I am going ahead with Nat Pool and use admin context to do the floating IP create and attach in single step. “ | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he also says - “The ability to specify floating IP in create operation is added recently only.” (he is referring to Neutron) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was not sure about the later | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so need to follow up with him | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if you are familiar with the changes there, please respond to the email thread | 18:54 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m not, so will need to investigate a bit | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will skip task flow investigation for today | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Cross Project Liaisons | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | as we are growing, and aspire to enhance our interaction with other OpenStack projects, we need to have people who will take lead on these | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | at the very least, we need to track the meeting logs of some the other projects we depend on, or have interlocks | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so four projects come to mind upfront | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | oslo, neutron, keystone and nova | 18:58 |
| rkukura | heat and horizon? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you bet, sorry i missed those | 18:58 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’d consider oslo and/or nova | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great, thanks | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i thought you would want to look at neutron since you are deeply involved :-) | 18:59 |
| rkukura | :( | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | of course, anyone can look at any project, but we want one go-to person | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so rkukura for oslo and nova | 19:00 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m lucky to keep up with just ML2 in neutron | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if you have interest in other areas | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:00 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: had an excellent suggestion that we should plan the mid-cycle code sprint | 19:01 |
| rkukura | I have one item | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: please go ahead | 19:01 |
| rkukura | Given that neutron has postponed the pecan BP post-kilo, should we consider having our master track neutron master, at least until we become a standalone server? | 19:01 |
| rkukura | Couple of benefits: | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: that requires some refactoring as well (although it's not the same amount of work) | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: absolutely, we have to do that | 19:03 |
| rkukura | 1) We’ll be ready to take advantage of kilo features, especially the subnet pools | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is a major item on to-do list | 19:03 |
| rkukura | 2) fedora rawhide, RDO, and probably other distros are packaging kilo, and we get left out for now | 19:03 |
| rkukura | 3) tracking only juno could come up during project proposal review | 19:04 |
| rkukura | thats all | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agree | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and that is a kilo item we have to accomplish | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we just need to figure out the right sequence of refactor activities | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: lets discuss on this, and get this rolling at the earliest | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh-gv also brought this up in his email | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding the code-sprint i am thinking end of March/beginning of April | 19:05 |
| rkukura | I’m not saying we should postpone becoming standalone beyond our kilo, but if that happens, we are probably better of tracking kilo now than just at the end | 19:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I'll be in Italy at that time :) | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: absolutely | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oops | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, lets coordinate in #openstack-gbp then | 19:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: however I can attend remotely, no problems | 19:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: +1 | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to get all the specs sorted out before we get to code sprint | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i noticed that nbouthors also joined earlier | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if he had an update | 19:07 |
| rkukura | I’d be willing to travel for a sprint, but 1st week of April wouldn’t work for me I think | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah okay, lets coordinate, i just wanted to throw in the idea | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay i will sync up with nbouthors offline | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ciaoooo | 19:08 |
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| rkukura | bye | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 19:08:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-12-18.03.html | 19:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-12-18.03.txt | 19:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-12-18.03.log.html | 19:08 |
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| mattgriffin | HA Guide Update meeting in 4 minutes | 19:56 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, hello! | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | seen nick around? | 20:00 |
| megm | Hi, Matt! No, I haven't seen nick, but I'm in Cal and he's in N Carolina so... | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ok. how about sam-i-am? | 20:01 |
| megm | No, I see noone except thee and me here. | 20:01 |
| * mattgriffin scrolls up | 20:02 | |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:02 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, ok to wait a few minutes? | 20:03 |
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| megm | I just skype'd Nick | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 20:03 |
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| megm | No response. | 20:04 |
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| megm | While we're waiting, do you know why the old HA guide was subdivided into active/passive and active/active? | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i don't know the history there | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i have a few things on the agenda. i'd like to go ahead and start. can email log to others later. ok? | 20:06 |
| megm | Okay. We're wiping out that distinction in the new structure, which I think is fine, but it's worth verifying. | 20:06 |
| megm | Sure, go ahead. | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide-Update | 20:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 12 20:07:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide-Update)" | 20:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide_update' | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:07 |
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| mattgriffin | #topic Review HA Guide update for Docs | 20:07 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, the first topic has to do with just what you were asking about :) | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | can you take a look at this draft update to the rest of the Docs team on what we're doing? | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ha-guide-march-2015-update | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ^ | 20:08 |
| megm | Just a sec -- looking | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ok. it brings up that point about changing the structure completely. feel free to modify anything in the pad though | 20:09 |
| megm | Okay. I'll do that after we're done here. | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 20:10 |
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| mattgriffin | next topic on the agenda | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | #topic Outline/TOC update | 20:10 |
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| megm | We are scoping this work to just include the core pieces. I'm thinking that Ceph also needs to be included | 20:10 |
| megm | Do you disagree? Hopefully we can mostly link to Ceph docs but I see no other way to really have HA data storage | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i think probably a placeholder but might be some pushback since it's not official | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | megm, good point re: the docs links | 20:12 |
| megm | Okay, it's currently mentioned in the outline so that's probably good | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | megm, any other significant updates this past week? | 20:12 |
| megm | No, I'm reading docs and tweaking the outline. | 20:13 |
| megm | How do we move forward and start the actual work? | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ok. related to the third topic on the agenda... i'm going to get some eyes on the TOC from Percona | 20:13 |
| megm | Do you have contributors from Percona to offer? Nick was supposed to dig up some Mirantis people. | 20:13 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, i'm digging too :) | 20:14 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, regarding moving forward, i think we should look to reuse as much from the current HA Guide content as possible | 20:14 |
| megm | For mechanics, can we create a "new" doc structure and move content from the old as appropriate? Or do we need to work in the existing ha_guide? | 20:15 |
| megm | I agree about reusing -- I suspect everything needs to be refined and modified. | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | megm, my guess is "new" b/c of the size of the changes | 20:15 |
| megm | So putting the pieces we plan to use in place and then getting review might be a next step? | 20:16 |
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| mattgriffin | probably see what sam-i-am thinks based on his experience with the Networking Guide | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | megm, +1. i like that plan | 20:16 |
| megm | Good idea! I'm new to a lot of this but I'm confused about the docbook->RST conversion and then restructuring this doc | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | heh... me too | 20:17 |
| megm | ;-) | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | ok... some action items then | 20:17 |
| megm | I like the idea of opening a "new" doc and then we can convert individual sections to RST, add to new structure, review, rewrite... | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | ack | 20:18 |
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| mattgriffin | #action megm review the Docs team email draft on the pad | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | #action check with sam-i-am and nickchase on starting a "new" doc structure | 20:19 |
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| megm | How do I communicate that the email draft on the pad is ready for your review? | 20:19 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, add your name and review status at the top (just added) | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | work for you? | 20:20 |
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| megm | Ah, I see. Perfect! | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | any other action items? | 20:21 |
| megm | Do we want to include a link to our actual outline here? | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | megm, should be in the footnotes | 20:21 |
| megm | Preserve last week's actions for you and Nick to enlist some people? | 20:21 |
| megm | Of course! I need to pay attention ;-) | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin & nickchase: enlist people | 20:22 |
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| mattgriffin | done :) | 20:22 |
| megm | Sounds good to me! | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | cool. anything else? | 20:22 |
| megm | Nope. | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | megm, great. that's a wrap. ending meeting | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 12 20:23:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:23 |
| megm | Until next week then? | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-12-20.07.html | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-12-20.07.txt | 20:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-12-20.07.log.html | 20:23 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, thanks! have a great day | 20:25 |
| megm | You too! | 20:25 |
| mattgriffin | megm, notes added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Past_Meetings | 20:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mattgriffin: ha meeting? | 21:06 |
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| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, time change... oh wait | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | doh! | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think everything added an hour to US local | 21:07 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, we did it an hour ago... you're right | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | crap | 21:07 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, sorry. notes are here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Past_Meetings | 21:08 |
| mattgriffin | apologies. my fault | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i sent an update from the ops meetup to the docs list | 21:08 |
| mattgriffin | it was only myself and megm_ | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | im still recovering from the meetup | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | we should take a look at the notes and see what we can scour out of the toc | 21:10 |
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| mattgriffin | megm_ and i discussed that... what is the next step. were hoping you could provide some advice given your experience with the Networking Guide update | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | bye sam-i-am | 21:14 |
| megm_ | Hi, Sam-i-am. Stupid time change! | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | arg | 21:17 |
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