| cyeoh | o/ | 00:01 |
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| elmiko | anyone here for api-wg? | 00:01 |
| elmiko | hehe | 00:01 |
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| elmiko | cyeoh: haven't started yet, etoews said he couldn't make it | 00:01 |
| elmiko | was looking for someone to start the meeting | 00:01 |
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| cyeoh | ok I'm just logging in to everything etc, but will start the meeting | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | #startmeeting | 00:02 |
| openstack | cyeoh: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 00:02 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | #startmeeting nova api wg | 00:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 00:02:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api_wg' | 00:02 |
| elmiko | so far i think it's just you and i | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | ah ok big meeting then :-) | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | since there is just the two of us on what is the most important thing on your mind? | 00:03 |
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| elmiko | hmm | 00:04 |
| elmiko | nothing big api-wise for me this week | 00:04 |
| elmiko | biggest issue for sahara team atm is the api-ref wadl stuff | 00:04 |
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| elmiko | but i think we've got it under control | 00:05 |
| elmiko | how about you? | 00:05 |
| cyeoh | standardisation-wise probably just project-client issues because I'm trying to get a new novaclient out that we can use microversions | 00:06 |
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| elmiko | do you have a review to link? | 00:06 |
| cyeoh | but most of it at this stage is primarily making it up as i go along as we'll see how it works - since its all a bit new | 00:06 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 00:06 |
| cyeoh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152569/17 | 00:07 |
| * elmiko looks | 00:07 | |
| cyeoh | that one is andrew's. Im planning on splitting it up into smaller changesets to make it easier to review (eg - some for cleanup first etc) and then a series of small patches that only add a bit of functionality at a time | 00:08 |
| elmiko | nice | 00:08 |
| elmiko | the microversion stuff is represented all throught header? | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | eg since we have 2 API implementations and theoretically 4 apis need to be able to select them from novaclient | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | yes, so its all gets boiled down to one header. Whether its there or not and then what its value is | 00:09 |
| elmiko | and the major version part is represented in the uri? | 00:09 |
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| cyeoh | currently it does, but in the future we will be moving away from that and it will be solely header dependent | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/novaclient_microversions_design | 00:11 |
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| elmiko | ah, thanks | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | this is a bit of a high level look I've been working on | 00:11 |
| elmiko | i don't have a strong opinion on the version in header vs in uri, but it seemed to draw out a good conversation | 00:12 |
| cyeoh | we do want to move url discovery out of keystone (eg no more compute and computev3 etc | 00:12 |
| elmiko | nice | 00:12 |
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| cyeoh | yea there are lots of opinions out there - but with microversions and lots of version bumping putting versions in the url path would be a lot of overhead for clients eventually | 00:13 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:13 |
| cyeoh | so is the api-ref wadl for sahara intended to be automated? | 00:15 |
| elmiko | unfortunately no | 00:15 |
| cyeoh | background goal for us in Nova is automation of api ref docs. | 00:15 |
| cyeoh | ah ok. | 00:15 |
| elmiko | i'd like to work towards automation as well, but i don't think wadl is the format for it | 00:15 |
| elmiko | i've been investigating swagger a bunch with our codebase and the barbican code | 00:16 |
| elmiko | the wadl in api-ref seems like it needs a bunch of hand tweaking to really get it thorough | 00:16 |
| elmiko | i think a big issue with automation across the board will be projects that use pecan | 00:17 |
| cyeoh | yea and soon as manual intervention is required we get errors. | 00:17 |
| elmiko | right, plus the maintenance costs | 00:18 |
| elmiko | i think a good step would be partial automation to start with | 00:18 |
| elmiko | but i think the doc team doesn't want full automation, with good reason | 00:18 |
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| cyeoh | yea I'm happy with that. I just want things like paramter names/types automated. Still found those sorts of errors just 2-3 months ago | 00:19 |
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| elmiko | agreed | 00:19 |
| elmiko | it'll be interesting to see where this goes | 00:20 |
| elmiko | i feel like the swagger json format is much more friendly to interact with than the wadl xml | 00:20 |
| elmiko | so you could generate a skeleton, and fill in the details | 00:20 |
| cyeoh | Boo to XML! | 00:20 |
| elmiko | hehe | 00:21 |
| cyeoh | yep sounds like we could still reverify ocassionally too so an updated skeleton still fits what we publish | 00:22 |
| elmiko | right | 00:22 |
| cyeoh | and we don't have doco for features which actually don't exist anymore :-) | 00:22 |
| elmiko | exactly | 00:23 |
| elmiko | i have a feeling next meeting we will discuss meeting times ;) | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | meeting times are hard :-( | 00:25 |
| elmiko | hehe | 00:25 |
| cyeoh | this and the nova api meeting is the only one I have that is NOT between 12am and 6am | 00:25 |
| elmiko | ouch | 00:25 |
| cyeoh | and I really can't do those sorts of really early times for a while | 00:25 |
| elmiko | thankfully i don't have any in that range | 00:26 |
| cyeoh | yea I'm fine with the other meeting week moving to a beter US/EU time, but I'd like to keep something that works for Aust/NZ/Asia | 00:27 |
| elmiko | +1 | 00:27 |
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| elmiko | i'm in the US, where are you at? | 00:28 |
| cyeoh | I'm in Adelaide Australia (GMT+10:30) | 00:28 |
| elmiko | cool | 00:28 |
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| cyeoh | so this time actually works really well ;-) | 00:29 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:29 |
| elmiko | i'm GMT-4 currently, i think | 00:29 |
| elmiko | yea -4 | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | heh my meetings with US people are generally at interesting times for at least one of us | 00:29 |
| elmiko | lol, i'll bet | 00:29 |
| elmiko | i wonder how many folks we have from Aust/NZ/Asia who participate in the api-wg | 00:30 |
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| cyeoh | a couple from Japan at least, and then at least one from China (but that will probably grow) | 00:31 |
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| elmiko | nice | 00:31 |
| elmiko | the sahara team has had a recent influx of folks from asia, it's nice to have more hands onboard =) | 00:32 |
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| cyeoh | yea definitely! Sorry just got pinged by my manager so am going to have to go. Will be back later | 00:33 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: end the meeting before you go | 00:34 |
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| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 00:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 00:35:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api_wg/2015/nova_api_wg.2015-03-19-00.02.html | 00:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api_wg/2015/nova_api_wg.2015-03-19-00.02.txt | 00:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api_wg/2015/nova_api_wg.2015-03-19-00.02.log.html | 00:35 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: thanks! later | 00:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 15:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Kilo-3 is today. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | rc1 is already being planned. I’m not sure when the date will be. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | IPAM stuff has been moved to rc1. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Also, IPv6 router support, report ha router master, and multiple ipv6 prefixes. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like release candidates begin on April 9th. That is only 3 weeks away. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: salv-orlando: tidwellr: ping | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | pong | 15:06 |
| pavel_bondar | pong | 15:06 |
| pavel_bondar | Looks like I hit serious issue with transactions during integration testing | 15:06 |
| pavel_bondar | it may require changing interface | 15:07 |
| salv-orlando | here | 15:07 |
| salv-orlando | I spoke about this with pavel_bondar already. He has all the details for making the ipam driver work. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Can you catch the rest of us up? | 15:08 |
| pavel_bondar | ok | 15:08 |
| pavel_bondar | IPAM Driver was expected to run in separate db transaction, so it fetch new session and create new db transaction. | 15:08 |
| pavel_bondar | and it works fine in most cases | 15:08 |
| pavel_bondar | but when some plugin wraps up for example create_port() with transaction, things are breaking | 15:09 |
| pavel_bondar | so ipam driver code is executed inside of existing transaction and create new transaction. | 15:10 |
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| pavel_bondar | I have seen 1k test failures, most of them happened only when create_port is wrapped by transaction on higher level | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | after I made small patch to pass context to ipam driver, test failures count decreased to ~100 falures | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | 10x decreasing | 15:12 |
| salv-orlando | basically the issue is not with the double transaction itself, but with the wrapping mandated by the plugin! | 15:12 |
| salv-orlando | pavel_bondar: that was the bit which was unclear to me | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Is that the proposed action to fix the problem? Pass the context to IPAM and run it in the same transaction? | 15:13 |
| salv-orlando | so the problem is inheritance | 15:13 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: that's the only viable solution if we want to give pluggable ipam to all plugins... however | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: yes, for now I see only this solution | 15:13 |
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| salv-orlando | it defies a bit the very reason for which we introduced the interface | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: because each plugin and a lot of other stuff like floating ip creation wraps db_base method with higher level transaction | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | pavel_bondar, carl_baldwin: what if we say that plugin that wrap super() calls in a transaction are not compatible with pluggable ipam? | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: so we already run inside of another transaction in most cases | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: “it defies a bit the very reason…” That is what I was thinking. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: What plugins are we talking about that do this wrapping? | 15:16 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I think in a way or another several... probably pavel_bondar has the whole list | 15:16 |
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| salv-orlando | but from my perspective we might be happy if it works for ml2 | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | and I'm pretty sure ml2 is one of them | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | ml2 is even worse because it overrides some of the methods we've refactored | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, the conclusion between me and pavel_bondar was that I'd look at this too and seek if we have any viable alternative, like stating that ipam pluggable might be enabled only for some plugin which met certain conditions | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I don’t think we can not be compatible with ML2. | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | and if you tried to enable it on a plugin which does not met these conditions things are likely to break | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | so I was going to try tonight to make at least ML2 compatible with pluggable IPAM and separate transactions | 15:19 |
| salv-orlando | and then report on the mailing list | 15:19 |
| pavel_bondar | yeah, ml2 indefinitely wraps create_ipam() code in higher-level transaction, and other 3 plugins I have checked do the same. | 15:19 |
| salv-orlando | If I fail we'd have to consider doing as pavel_bondar suggests | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: that sounds like the right thing to do next. I’d like to jump in and help out if I can but I don’t want to slow you down. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: we’ll watch for your report. | 15:21 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I'm very good at slowing down by myself ;) | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Another reason for me not to slow you down any more. ;) | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: What about the other 100 test failures. Have you started to look in to those? | 15:24 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: part of them comes from floating_ip stuff, but I am just started with them for now, will continue investigation on them | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Good. Keep us posted on your progress. Is there anything I can help with? | 15:26 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: Sure will keep you posted about the progress. And that is it for me for now, so will continue digging with other tests | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar and salv-orlando: Thank you. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: ping | 15:28 |
| tidwellr | here | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Let me have one more look through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148698/ . Hopefully, we can kick it in today. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I might need to get another devstack running and try it out with the client modificatinos. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | *modifications | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Has this one run through the new tempest tests? | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: no, and it needs to | 15:30 |
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| tidwellr | that's my task for the day | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: I've also done some iterations on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157597, I don't see a corresponding client patch though | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | may need to get that started | 15:32 |
| tidwellr | and then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165264 should be put through the meat grinder | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I’ll see if Zengfa has some time to work on the client. | 15:33 |
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| tidwellr | at this point I'm just turning patch sets in response to reviews, I've got some bandwidth | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Thanks for the reminder about the quota patch. I haven’t looked at it yet and it looks like I’m not alone in that. :( | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | I feel like subnet allocation is close, but the reviews haven't really come in on quotas and allocation yet :) | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Will review today and encourage others to do the same. | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else on IPAM? | 15:38 |
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| salv-orlando | not from me | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Zengfa tells me that subnet allocation is tested and added to the client as part of the existing patches. We should confirm. | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | ok, I'll check it out | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:41 |
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| amuller | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/report-ha-router-master,n,z | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin needs to work on the agenda page. It has gotten stale. | 15:41 |
| amuller | report-ha-router-master had its heavy patches merged the last couple of days | 15:41 |
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| amuller | the rest of the patches are ready to be merged on my end | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I noticed that one on the rc1 page. Let’s have a look at the remaining ones. Thanks. | 15:42 |
| amuller | yeah, kind of a shame, even if all of the patches get approved today, mestery cut K3 already | 15:43 |
| amuller | so d/s QE won't get to test the feature off a K3 build | 15:43 |
| mestery | amuller: Not cut yet, but cutting soon once ttx gets back | 15:43 |
| amuller | QA* | 15:43 |
| mestery | amuller: But I believe I moved it to RC1 | 15:43 |
| amuller | mestery: ack | 15:43 |
| mestery | amuller: cool | 15:43 |
| mestery | amulleri: Time just ran out on us | 15:43 |
| mestery | for kilo-3 at least | 15:43 |
| amuller | Understood | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyone giving thought to Liberty and beyond? (Besides IPAM which we know has some work left to do) | 15:47 |
| amuller | DVR + L3 HA integration pops to mind, but I am biased :) | 15:48 |
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| saggi1 | carl_baldwin: Us at dragonflow hope to get something ready for liberty | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ack and I agree | 15:50 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: Have you heard from Jaume about BGP lately? | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I haven’t. It is something I’d like to revive for Liberty. I think there was a fair amount of work done on it. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | saggi1: Any more specifics? | 15:52 |
| saggi1 | https://launchpad.net/dragonflow | 15:53 |
| saggi1 | kind of competing with dvr | 15:53 |
| saggi1 | different approach. Using ovs rules instead of namespaces. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | I think I’d like to revise and trim down my blueprint on backing networks and combine that with BGP. | 15:54 |
| saggi1 | We don't have too much working. But the work on factoring out dvr is helping us integrate. | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | saggi1: thanks for the link. | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | I guess we’re out of time. Thanks, all. | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 16:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-19-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-19-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-19-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | /close | 16:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ivar-lazzaro rkukura mageshgv Yi yapeng yamahata: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| mageshgv | hi | 18:00 |
| banix | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 18:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| Yi | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_19th.2C_12th_2015 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info kilo-2 was released as planned: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/059236.html | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | things which did not make it into kilo-2 now moved to kilo-3 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info kilo-3 deadline is April 15th | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we are the real business end of the release now! ;-) | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we also had the PTL elections (per project requirements), and the results were declarded: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/059317.html | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks to malini for shepherding the elections | 18:04 |
| rkukura | congrats SumitNaiksatam! | 18:04 |
| Yi | congrats! | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yi: thanks ;-) | 18:04 |
| mageshgv | Congrats SumitNaiksatam!! | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets start with the standing agenda items | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | at least one critical bug this time: | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1433530 | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1433530 in Group Based Policy "GBP Kilo release should be in sync with Neutron Kilo" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have known this for a while, so mageshgv thanks for jumping on this | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/165377 | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i agree with ivar-lazzaro’s comment there, that should be added right away so that we can catch all other issues with the neutron integration at least at the UT level | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: are you comfortable with this or is it blowing up into too many changes? | 18:07 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: It looks pretty straight forward for the server | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | on the client side also, there are similar oslo changes, and we should do that in parallel to bump up the neutron client dependency to 2.3.10 | 18:09 |
| mageshgv | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165378/ | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i believe you need this for your floating IP support impl as well? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: oh nice, sorry i did not catch that | 18:09 |
| mageshgv | The client has some tricky changes though | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: hmmm, ok | 18:10 |
| mageshgv | As for floating IP, I can post a WIP patch may be tomorrow | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: sweet, lets get to that in the specs discussion | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you wanted to discuss: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432816 ? | 18:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432816 in Group Based Policy "inconsistent template ownership during chain creation" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:11 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yep | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | To give a quick summary, the problem in on SC instance ownership | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | a chain can be triggered in many different ways... By someone providing a PRS, or consuming it | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | or even by an admin changing the PRS rules | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Even though the intent is the same, the final state diverges depending on the user that triggers the chain | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | for example, suppose you have a shared PRS, and TenantA provides it | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | TenantB consuming it will trigger the chain, and TenantB will be the owner of the SC instance | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | However, if TenantB was previously consuming the chain, and then TenantA triggered the instance by providing the same PRS | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: mageshgv: shouldn’t the SC intance be always owned by admin (since its an internal artifact)? or does that cause issues with sharing due to associations with other resources? | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | In this case the SC instance (and the HEAT stacks) will be owned by tenantA | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | This becomes a problem when a given tenant starts the action, and another one do the opposite (eg. destroy the chain) | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | this would fail because the tenant triggering the destruction is not owning the chain | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that's the question I want to bring up... who has to own the chain? | 18:17 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the admin? The provider? The consumer? | 18:17 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: what's the difference between SFC case and other cases? | 18:17 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: admin owning the SC instance does solve this issue. | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | in case of admin that would be a parent PRS with the SC, is that right? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: there is no PRS hierarchy issue here | 18:18 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: that with SFC some heat stacks are created, and owned by a given tenant | 18:18 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: the owner should not be the consumer IMO. It can be either the admin or the provider | 18:18 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: and they cannot be destroyed unless the very same tenant triggers the disruption | 18:18 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: I agree | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | mageshv: agree | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the issue is that we create service chain instances internally (triggered by some other user actions), and currently we dont consistently use the same tenant to create/modify the SC instance | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The advantage of having the provider owning it is that he can go and modify manually the instances if available | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true but that would be concern too, no? | 18:19 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | But it will hit his/her quota (in the VM case for example) | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The advantage of having the admin as the owner is that all the chains belong to the same place, but they won't be visible by the tenants | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: they can always be visible, right? | 18:21 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro, SumitNaiksatam: may be we can even consider something similar to this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101281/ | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: no unless you share them | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: its just that the non-admin user wont be able to modify | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true, or we could add another user | 18:21 |
| yapeng | ivar-lazzaro: but we can't assume that admin always as owner of chain, right? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | user -> role, i was going to mention that earlier | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: even in that case, providers and consumers won't be able to see the instances | 18:22 |
| igordcard | ivar-lazzaro: but then the admin would need to pre-create all possible chains, right? | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yapeng: it could be a configurable user | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: this is chain instance that is internally created | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yapeng: which is an Admin and which can create Heat templates | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi, good to see you join the meeting - to your question, no, not required to pre-create | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | But there are other issues to consider, like how a VM (NFV) could be attached to one or more networks belonging to different tenant | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: here is my suggestion (dont mean to prolong the discussion) - | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i think people need a little more time to think about this, so i believe this is an excellent topic to bring up on the -dev ML | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can have the discussion there and try to wrap this up in a couple of days, sound okay? | 18:24 |
| mageshgv | +1 | 18:24 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay good, i believe ivar-lazzaro has given it the most thought, so i more inclined to go with his approach, but there are other groups working on similar problem, so lets see if we hear from them | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: mageshgv: igordcard yapeng Yi hemanthravi: thanks for your input on this | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i bumped the other bug assigned to you to Critical (support for redirect in external policy) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but i believe you have that covered | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: thanks, there's already a patch there | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which brings up another question actually | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah okay, #link https://review.openstack.org/164920 | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | do we have time to discuss this? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as matter of sanity, we will discuss every critical bug in this meeting | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | critical bug is show-stopper | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:27 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | The quick summary is that chains are not triggered when one of the actors is an External Policy | 18:28 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | which is obviously needed (ie. LB in front of Web access) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, i believe this was an oversight in the earlier integration between the external connectivity and service chaining? | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and it was discovered during recent integration testing | 18:29 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | In my current implementation, a chain can only be consumed by an External Policy | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for catching that and jumping on it | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | when an external policy provides a chain, it's managed like a normal ALLOW action | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just a friendly suggestion to everyone, please add “group-based-policy-core” to the reviewer’s list when you submit a patch | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: woops | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once you add that alias, all cores will get automatically added and it will show on the review dashboards | 18:30 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: ahh, thanks | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sorry did not mean to interrupt | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I was wondering if there are any use cases for which we want to enable chaining also on a EP *providing* a PRS | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: np, that was a good observation | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but seems like you have this covered | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I don't see an EP providing a Load Balancer for instance... But I can see it providing an IDS | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: good question, i have not thought through that | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: not sure about IDS, i think hemanthravi might have more insight here | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but i would suggest that this is also a great question for the -dev ML | 18:33 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: why no LB? | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: well, the external policy is the rest of the world, Who are the members of the load balancer in that case? | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: in the RMD case, the porta on the External Network are usually router interfaces | 18:35 |
| hemanthravi | ivar: In case the EP is for provider resources such as a logging service, etc the IDS might not be required | 18:35 |
| igordcard | if service chaining evolves to support other kinds of services, even provided by VMs, it may make sense for future use cases to have chaining on provider EPs.. | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: good point, “logging service” seems like a good example | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: +1 | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hemanthravi: logging seems a good case | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets take this to the ML as well ;-) | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sorry, dont mean to delay things | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | roger that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but good to have broader discussion | 18:36 |
| hemanthravi | don't think we need to support SC for EP provider at this time | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: it makes sense to me, it's a great help for making decisions | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the more use cases people have in mind, the better | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, lets chime in on the ML (ivar-lazzaro will send email and start the discussion) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs anyone wants to discuss? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration Tests | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161511 was approved | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then there was a follow up patch as well | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, summary is that we if you do a “check experimental” it will trigger a job from the openstack infra | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the actual job that needs to be run is being configured in gate-hook that resides on teh GBP side: | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161532 | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am working on this part | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apologies on the slower progress on this, i am learning by trial and error | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is jishnu here? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he is working on adapting his test suite to be triggered from this gate job, would have been good to have his update | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions on this? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we wil soon get to a point where we will require submitting some functional/integration tests with every new feature | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and that is a good thing ;-) | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if you have spare cycles please feel free to jump in on this activity (ping me offline) | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging update | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, i dont have the new release of the stable/juno yet | 18:43 |
| rkukura | Now that we have a stable/juno update, I need to update the Fedora and RDO packaging. Should get to that over the next week or so. | 18:43 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I thought you did - sorry | 18:44 |
| rkukura | forgot we were still trying to get the policy.json fix in | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, i was exploring mageshgv’s comment | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | exploring -> investigating | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i will catch up with you offline | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165294/1/setup.cfg | 18:45 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: okay, we can discuss on this offline | 18:45 |
| rkukura | It would be great if we could use the policy_dirs approach rather than requiring manual merging of the files. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is not clear to me, but may be i am missing something | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for the suggestion though, since i was not even aware of this possibility | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update | 18:46 |
| rkukura | mageshgv: you said “this will cause issues” so I’m not assuming it possible - just that it would be nice | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Project Proposal | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:47 |
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| rkukura | Lets followup on the gerrit review | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Project Proposal | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we put the proposal in WIP | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we wanted to address the comments made - (1) PTL election, (2) gate that has more than just UTs | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe we are past (1) now | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once we sort out (2) (and we are getting closer on that), we will remove the WIP | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just FYI - the TC meets every tuesday to discuss these type of things | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and we need to request being on their agenda 4 business days prior to the meeting | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so anyone has any thoughts/suggestions/comments on this please let me know | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am rushing here a little but since we have only 10 mins left | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our favorite topic - | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng: over to you | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry i havent reviewed the latest changes | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | how close are we to addressing the last round of review suggestions by ivar-lazzaro and rkukura? | 18:52 |
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| yapeng | we are wrapping up the UTs. I updated one patch and ready for review. | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: #link https://review.openstack.org/159725 right? | 18:53 |
| yapeng | Yes | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: Yi: any blockers? | 18:53 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam: on my side, I finished the mixin that Ivar suggested | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: sweet!! | 18:53 |
| Yi | but on patching the UT, I have some issues | 18:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | nice | 18:54 |
| Yi | I have create_resource/update_resource/delete_resource patched | 18:54 |
| Yi | but got issue with get_resource and get_resources | 18:54 |
| Yi | 1. for get_resource, or show_resource | 18:55 |
| Yi | it somehow cannot get along with the gbp plugin operations | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: can i request you to spare a few minutes to help Yi with this in #openstack-gbp after this meeting? | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:56 |
| Yi | for example, getting policy target would be fine if I patch the get_port through plugin call | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:56 |
| Yi | but if I patch the get_port with WSGI, get_policy_target will fail | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: okay | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: seems like a slightly longer discussion, if you dont mind lets pick it up in #openstack-gbp immediately after this | 18:57 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam, ivar-lazzaro: that would be great. thanks! | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: nice, thanks for persistence on this! | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/157298 | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i believe you mentioned you will be posting a WIP tomorrow? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: will you be updating the spec accordingly? | 18:58 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I will post the patch tomorrow | 18:58 |
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| mageshgv | once we go over the patch and see that the current approach makes sense at a high level, I can update the bp | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay, but we need to iterate quickly on this | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: lets identify a couple of point people (in terms of reviewers) that will work with you closely on this to move this forward | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for the update | 19:00 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, it should be faster to iterate now that we have a rough implementation | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Cross Project Liaisons | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: stepped up for being a liaison for Oslo and Nova | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are still looking for liaisons for other projects, with Keystone and Neutron being a priority | 19:01 |
| rkukura | nothing to report yet though | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please ping me if you would like to | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks! | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are two minutes over | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed that you want to bring up? | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kilo-3 is crunch time, so lets lock in our focus! ;-) | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay thanks everyone for attending today | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:03 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:03 |
| mageshgv | nye | 19:03 |
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| rkukura | bye | 19:03 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 19:03:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-19-18.01.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-19-18.01.txt | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-19-18.01.log.html | 19:03 |
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| mattgriffin | HA Guide Team: 5 minute warning | 20:55 |
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| mattgriffin | o/ HA Guide Team | 21:00 |
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| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide-Update | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 21:01:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide-Update)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide_update' | 21:01 |
| Shamail | Hi mattgriffin! | 21:01 |
| nickchase | Hey all. | 21:01 |
| mattgriffin | hi Shamail nickchase | 21:01 |
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| megm | Hi all | 21:02 |
| Shamail | (I might have a little lag; on mobile) | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | hi megm | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, np | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | looks like sam-i-am isn't around | 21:02 |
| megm | Shamail, I partially updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC with the Storage Backend piece we discussed | 21:02 |
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| megm | I'll finish it after our meeting | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | megm, cool. let's get started on the agenda then | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 21:03 |
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| Shamail | megm: looks great | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | most of you reviewed and edited the email to the Docs team and megm's big edits. thank you! | 21:03 |
| nickchase | sam-i-am has been occupied with the ops meetup | 21:04 |
| nickchase | and he apologizes but he's overbooked right now. | 21:04 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, ack | 21:04 |
| megm | Andreas seems pleased -- that seems like a good thing | 21:04 |
| clouddon | im here sneaking | 21:04 |
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| Shamail | Hi clouddon | 21:04 |
| nickchase | the email is a good philosophy but we do need a more detailed TOC. | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | megm, yeah. great overview getting everyone else up to speed | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | hi clouddon | 21:05 |
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| clouddon | hi all! | 21:05 |
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| mattgriffin | one action item that we had from last week (again, sorry for holding the meeting early) was "check with sam-i-am and nickchase on starting a "new" doc structure" | 21:05 |
| megm | I thought the detailed outline was in the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC file | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | heh... i can't remember what that was about | 21:06 |
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| megm | I remember | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | please share :) | 21:06 |
| nickchase | Sam-I-Am and I were discussing... | 21:06 |
| megm | The question is whether we try to modify within the current file structure in the repo or start a new doc for development | 21:06 |
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| megm | Perhaps eventually move the new doc back to the old title | 21:07 |
| nickchase | (I'll wait.) | 21:07 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ack | 21:07 |
| clouddon | isnt the new structure for this? | 21:07 |
| megm | so what did sam-i-am and nick conclude? | 21:07 |
| nickchase | I think it depends on how close the new structure is to the old one. | 21:07 |
| nickchase | we were discussing where/if we were going to talk about pacemaker. | 21:07 |
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| Shamail | The TOC is the new structure right? | 21:07 |
| nickchase | We finally settled on... | 21:08 |
| nickchase | the idea that there are basically 3 levels of HA in OpenStack: | 21:08 |
| nickchase | 0) None; you just install everything and hope for the best. | 21:08 |
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| nickchase | 1) Basic HA: you use the "traditional" means of HA, such as Galera for MySQL, redundant RabbitMQ clusters, etc. If something breaks, it stays up -- unless it breaks again. | 21:09 |
| nickchase | 3) Nothing is going to take this sucker down: you use more stringent HA such as Pacemaker, which proactively makes sure that everything stays up, and if it goes down, then it gets brought back up (if possible) | 21:09 |
| nickchase | (sorry, that's 2) | 21:10 |
| nickchase | So those are the 3 levels, and ... | 21:10 |
| nickchase | we thought that one way to cover it would be... | 21:10 |
| nickchase | to start with the "traditional" means, then talk about what you should do if you want level 2 (Nothing will take this down). | 21:10 |
| nickchase | What do you guys think? | 21:11 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, +1 | 21:11 |
| Shamail | nickchase: +1 | 21:11 |
| megm | -1 nic | 21:11 |
| clouddon | my only point with this sturcture would be the disticntion btweeen aactive/ active vs active/ apsssive | 21:12 |
| Shamail | This is the control plane aspect though. The data plane equivalent of this is out of scope, right? | 21:12 |
| megm | I think this is a good structure for the introductory material, which really does need to be expanded significantly. | 21:12 |
| megm | But I thought we had agreed that the bulk of the guide would be structured to parallel the Install Guide. | 21:12 |
| nickchase | I confess that I can't answer either clouddon or shamail on this; both statements are beyond my knowledge and I lean on SMEs. :) | 21:12 |
| nickchase | We can be parallel to the install guid3 | 21:13 |
| clouddon | How about this? | 21:13 |
| nickchase | and still follow this | 21:13 |
| clouddon | whoever has points comment on wiki | 21:13 |
| nickchase | by basically doing what I've described as "level 1" here based on the install guide. | 21:13 |
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| Shamail | nickchase: on my question, I would say let's keep this to control plane HA for now to stay out of political stuff/stifling topics. clouddon: good suggestion +1 | 21:14 |
| nickchase | clouddon +1 | 21:14 |
| clouddon | gr8. thanks | 21:15 |
| nickchase | Shamail: I'm all for staying out of poltics; not sure what you mean by "stifling topics". | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, i think +1 on control plane. likely more materials available elsewhere on data plane HA | 21:15 |
| megm | Yes, Cloudon and everyone, muck with and comment on the outline | 21:15 |
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| Shamail | nickchase: by stifiling topics I meant trying to speak for third parties without their participation. | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | +1 for muck | 21:16 |
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| Shamail | Overall, the levels look great Nick. | 21:16 |
| nickchase | Shamail: I agree, but just so I understand, who are the third parties? You mean the SMEs? | 21:16 |
| nickchase | Shamail: great. | 21:16 |
| mattgriffin | the other part of the "doc structure" issue is less about the TOC and more about how do we implement the large scale changes given the existing HA Guide, right? | 21:17 |
| Shamail | Data plane would come down to how compute, network, storage vendors advise HA configuration/considerations for infrastructure resiliency | 21:17 |
| megm | I think it's important that we address the data plane issues, at least conceptually. Details are elsewhere but I don't know of anything that puts it all together | 21:17 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ^ | 21:17 |
| nickchase | megm: +1 | 21:18 |
| Shamail | megm: I agree, we should address it at a high-level and say it's not our scope and to talk to your providers | 21:18 |
| mattgriffin | megm, +1 | 21:18 |
| megm | keywords: DON'T LOSE MY DATA!!! ;-) | 21:18 |
| nickchase | :) | 21:18 |
| Shamail | Haha | 21:18 |
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| nickchase | And that, I assume, Shamail, is what you mean by "third parties". | 21:19 |
| Shamail | If we can even add a summary of data plane resiliency technologies, etc. for each infrastructure layer. Please look at the high-level summary I gave to Meg for "storage back ends" and poke at it. :) | 21:20 |
| Shamail | nickchase: yep! | 21:20 |
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| Shamail | We could add one for network and compute as well | 21:20 |
| megm | Ceph is a big player here, too -- not exactly what I would call a third-party but the concept is the same | 21:20 |
| Shamail | Yep! | 21:20 |
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| nickchase | OK, I agree in principle. But at some point we're going to have to take a stand and be specific, in order to be truly useful. | 21:21 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, i think we have a good plan here already. anything you'd alter? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC#Storage_Backend | 21:21 |
| mattgriffin | well maybe just comment in the wiki like clouddon suggested | 21:21 |
| Shamail | Im going to modify it slightly mattgriffin, this was the result of a brief chat between Meg and I. | 21:22 |
| mattgriffin | excellent | 21:22 |
| megm | Specific about the concepts, not the procedures. We point to the individual technologies for procedures but we need to explain what RAID does and does not do, etc | 21:22 |
| Shamail | We should do something for network and compute. | 21:22 |
| Shamail | But they also follow standard means of protection. The point we should make is to consider protection at the infrastructure layer and give some standards that are used. Leave the actual choice of protection to the user. | 21:23 |
| Shamail | I'll comment on wiki. Just wanted to raise the infrastructure question. I think we all agree on how deep we should go. | 21:23 |
| mattgriffin | ack | 21:23 |
| megm | We also discussed that we would cover HAProxy but make a mention of Level 2 switches for load-balancing... | 21:23 |
| nickchase | I'm nto sure I agree; I'll know it when I see it. :) | 21:23 |
| Shamail | Fair enough. :) | 21:24 |
| Shamail | What's up Mattgriffin? | 21:24 |
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| megm | It boils down to needing more conceptual material. The current guide has a lot of sections that are nothing more than a sample config file and instructions to copy it. | 21:25 |
| Shamail | megm: +11 | 21:25 |
| Shamail | Or +1 | 21:25 |
| mattgriffin | heh | 21:25 |
| Shamail | What's an extra 1 or 0? | 21:25 |
| mattgriffin | move on to next action item from last week? | 21:25 |
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| mattgriffin | btw... i'm using https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:26 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:26 |
| mattgriffin | Are we ready to start assigning content or want to wait another week to leave comments on the wiki for any other potential changes? | 21:27 |
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| mattgriffin | sounds like we should give it another week. agree? | 21:27 |
| nickchase | Does the current TOC track the install guide? | 21:27 |
| nickchase | +1 | 21:28 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, if we swap our project names with what they do, yes | 21:28 |
| megm | I think pretty much | 21:28 |
| nickchase | well, then I'd go either way; even if we add level 2, we'll likely keep what's here now. | 21:29 |
| Shamail | mattgriffin: +1 | 21:29 |
| clouddon | If we are taking too long to confer, how about we put a date? | 21:30 |
| megm | The old guide is arranged for active/active and active/passive. The current TOC breaks that model. | 21:30 |
| nickchase | Why don't we assign some topics we KNOW are going to get written? | 21:30 |
| megm | I thought we had agreement but do we? | 21:30 |
| nickchase | We agree we're going to break that model, I believe. | 21:31 |
| mattgriffin | megm, nickchase yes | 21:31 |
| megm | Where are the existing source files? I don't seem to have them in the openstack-manual repo I downloaded | 21:31 |
| Shamail | I like the new flow (vs. building the entire structure around A/A and A/P), however I think we still have to address A/A and A/P in each section. | 21:32 |
| megm | Shamail +1 | 21:32 |
| nickchase | are they not in openstack-manualsdoc/ha-guide? | 21:32 |
| megm | I didn't get that subdirectory | 21:33 |
| megm | Also, when/how are we going to convert the existing docbook source to RST? | 21:34 |
| nickchase | I'm not seeing it either. | 21:34 |
| nickchase | OK, i give up, where is it? | 21:34 |
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| Shamail | https://github.com/openstack/ha-guide | 21:34 |
| Shamail | This it? | 21:35 |
| nickchase | so it as its own rep? | 21:35 |
| nickchase | repo* | 21:35 |
| Shamail | Apparently | 21:35 |
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| Shamail | Surprised. | 21:35 |
| nickchase | I am too. | 21:35 |
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| megm | Interesting... | 21:36 |
| nickchase | ok, well, if it does, it does. | 21:36 |
| nickchase | we just needed to know where to find it. | 21:36 |
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| Shamail | Who has core here? | 21:36 |
| nickchase | no idea. | 21:37 |
| mattgriffin | megm, is this enough to understand a process for converting? | 21:37 |
| megm | We should add this info to the wiki | 21:37 |
| nickchase | I think the first question is "why does it have its own repo?" | 21:37 |
| nickchase | I know how to create a new RST book in openstack-manuals but not in openstack. | 21:37 |
| megm | Maybe this is a golden opportunity? Leave the old guide where it is and create a new ha-guide in openstack-manuals? | 21:38 |
| nickchase | We can certainly do that. | 21:38 |
| megm | mattgriffin, I don't see info for converting that you reference. | 21:38 |
| nickchase | I don't think info on converting is documented. | 21:39 |
| nickchase | I only know because I did the network guide. | 21:39 |
| nickchase | I take it back | 21:39 |
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| nickchase | info on converting specific files is documented | 21:39 |
| nickchase | I'll find it in a moment | 21:39 |
| megm | Nick, if you'll help me get started, I could convert and set up new files | 21:39 |
| nickchase | just not creating a book. | 21:39 |
| nickchase | Tell you what: I'll create a book and help you get started converting the existing files to drop into it. OK? | 21:40 |
| nickchase | (Just that it'll take longer to explain it than do it. :)) | 21:40 |
| nickchase | I'll have to do it to document it (which I will). | 21:40 |
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| megm | Sounds good -- you do what is easier for you to do, then hand off to me? | 21:41 |
| clouddon | i need to sign off. thanks all | 21:41 |
| Shamail | Same here | 21:41 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, Shamail later | 21:41 |
| Shamail | I'll catch up on the meeting log, cya all | 21:41 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 21:42 |
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| megm | Thanks! | 21:42 |
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| mattgriffin | will be posted to the wiki | 21:42 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, nickchase i think we need to wrap up | 21:42 |
| nickchase | all sounds good | 21:43 |
| nickchase | thanks | 21:43 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, you're going to do some documentation on converting, yes? | 21:43 |
| nickchase | yes | 21:43 |
| megm | Nick, do you know what we need to do? | 21:43 |
| nickchase | yes. | 21:43 |
| megm | And we're ready to start setting up ha-guide files in openstack-manuals and leave the old repo intact? | 21:43 |
| nickchase | +1 | 21:43 |
| nickchase | that's the plan, right? | 21:43 |
| megm | Nick, let me know when you need me... | 21:44 |
| nickchase | will do | 21:44 |
| nickchase | will do, Meg | 21:44 |
| mattgriffin | megm, nickchase like here? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc | 21:44 |
| nickchase | yes, there. | 21:45 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 21:45 |
| megm | +1 | 21:45 |
| mattgriffin | quick documentation for action items... | 21:45 |
| megm | I will update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ha-guide-march-2015-update about the repos | 21:45 |
| mattgriffin | #action nickchase document how to convert | 21:45 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, cool | 21:46 |
| mattgriffin | #action all: review TOC and comment | 21:46 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, i think that (repos info) would be better on the HA Guide wiki | 21:46 |
| mattgriffin | ye? | 21:46 |
| mattgriffin | yes? | 21:46 |
| megm | +1 | 21:47 |
| mattgriffin | here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update | 21:47 |
| nickchase | yes, definitely | 21:47 |
| nickchase | we should also let the mailing list know | 21:47 |
| mattgriffin | #action megm update the HA Guide wiki with the right repos info | 21:47 |
| nickchase | in case there was some reason that it was moved. | 21:48 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 21:48 |
| megm | Will do | 21:48 |
| mattgriffin | ok. i think we're good until next week. anything else? | 21:48 |
| megm | I'm good | 21:48 |
| mattgriffin | i think we should still be thinking about who we might want to pull into this effort (at our company or another group) to write some of the content.. but that's an ongoing action item until we start assigning sections. | 21:49 |
| nickchase | I have a list of people and topics | 21:50 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, great! | 21:50 |
| nickchase | they're ready to tart | 21:50 |
| nickchase | start* | 21:50 |
| mattgriffin | if there's nothing else, i'm going to end | 21:50 |
| mattgriffin | thanks megm & nickchase | 21:50 |
| nickchase | later | 21:50 |
| megm | Have a great week! | 21:50 |
| mattgriffin | you too! | 21:50 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
| nickchase | you too | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 21:51:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-19-21.01.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-19-21.01.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-19-21.01.log.html | 21:51 |
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