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| elmiko | hey | 14:00 |
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| vgridnev | hey | 14:00 |
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| weiting | Hi | 14:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Is this the "Hello" meeting? | 14:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 14:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| elmiko | lol, yes sigmavirus24 | 14:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's start :) | 14:02 |
| Nikolay_St | \O/ | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | Lots of things merged, but a few things got frozen out due to FF | 14:03 |
| alazarev | hi | 14:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, is it bug fixes or improvements / new features? | 14:03 |
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| crobertsrh | One thing that got iced out was the Editing of Templates | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | 2 patches, that I really thought would make it | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, you could try to request FFE for it | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if the CR are fully ready | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | A few others (they are noted on the etherpad) | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | Ok, I'll see if we can get a ffe from david-lyle | 14:05 |
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| alazarev | I'll update tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136129/ today | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, anything to add? | 14:06 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | we finally have job executions merged | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | event logs are waiting for the client release | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so that we can ask for a FFE | 14:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, do you have FFE for event logs? | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, you should ask for it asap | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 14:08 |
| egafford | crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov: As a note, if the Shell form can't be added, we'll need to assess whether extant shell jobs cause error in the UI. | 14:09 |
| crobertsrh | ack | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else? | 14:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nope | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 14:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:11 |
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| elmiko | i've mainly been working on config hints updates and reviews this week | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | i'm working with wadl docs together with AndreyPavlov and Nikolay_St | 14:12 |
| alazarev | are we asking for FFE in gorizon centolized? Should I do that for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136129/ ? | 14:12 |
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| tmckay | I am adding a bunch of unit tests for def templates, have the utils routines covered, deletion ops pretty much done, will work on update this afternoon | 14:12 |
| tmckay | Should be complete today, or Monday (I'm out tomorrow) aside from review feedback | 14:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | alazarev: I think each change needs a separate FFE | 14:13 |
| Nikolay_St | working on wadl docs | 14:13 |
| sreshetn1 | i'm working on elements improvements | 14:13 |
| egafford | Helping out with default templates. | 14:13 |
| Nikolay_St | also, attend an LWG meeting yesterday. they have some advice about .format which I may to prove | 14:13 |
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| tosky | working on moving CLI tests from tempest to python-saharaclient, if you want to review/take a look I would be happy | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, could you probably join Nikolay_St and vgridnev in WADL impl and start working on EDP stuff? | 14:14 |
| * pino|work doing fixes/improvements on dib elements | 14:14 | |
| tosky | (plus I have still a pending patch for tempest, if you know core tempest reviewers...) | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, + | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, great | 14:15 |
| crobertsrh | I've got some bug fixes, doc updates coming. | 14:15 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: sure, i'll need to sync up with them but shouldn't be a problem | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, Nikolay_St could you please sync after (or in the end) of this meeting? | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | ack | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:18 |
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| crobertsrh | Don't forget to propose sessions for Summit! | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw folks, please share your ideas to the summit sessions! | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, (y) :) | 14:18 |
| tmckay | question on convention for assertEqual(?, ?) | 14:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:18 |
| crobertsrh | good idea! | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions | 14:18 |
| tmckay | python docs are not always consistent, we don't have a statement in our style guide | 14:18 |
| tmckay | do we want (actual, expected), or (expected, actual) or don't care? | 14:19 |
| elmiko | tmckay: the testr output generates (expected, observed) | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're now working on internal roadmap in mirantis and so should share ideas in a week or two | 14:19 |
| tmckay | ah, okay | 14:19 |
| elmiko | the function itself doesn't care so much | 14:19 |
| tmckay | elmiko, thanks, that makes sense. I wasn't considering testr | 14:19 |
| tmckay | we should note this in the dev style guide | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re design summit topic - please don't forget the we need to have it done with the following time frame: | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | April 16 - initial design summit topics discussion | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | April 23 - finalise design summit schedule | 14:19 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St, vgridnev, re: wadl, are you guys using the example json from our current api docs? | 14:19 |
| elmiko | tmckay: that's a good idea | 14:20 |
| crobertsrh | Can you explain to me what "Sprint Topics" are expected to be | 14:20 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: in some places | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | i'm using currently json for our docs | 14:20 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: but also we will replace it with fresh samples in a day or 2 | 14:20 |
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| elmiko | Nikolay_St: are you generating samples from the app or by hand? | 14:21 |
| Nikolay_St | as far as I know all patches by AndreyPavlov has fresh samples | 14:21 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: by hand | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, do you remember the half day meetup style in Paris? it's the same, but hopefully for the full day | 14:21 |
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| crobertsrh | Ah, ok. | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, so, it could be any discussion about the UI or anything you want | 14:21 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: also, what about the wadl xml, are you generating those by hand as well? | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, with no strict agenda, but we need ideas to discuss | 14:21 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: also, by hand | 14:22 |
| tmckay | critical battery message, I'll be leaving soon :) | 14:22 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: it was hard for first time but now it's easy | 14:22 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: ok, thanks. i've been following the reviews so i'll just repeat the pattern | 14:22 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: which edp functionality do i need to cover? | 14:23 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: wait a minute | 14:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | elmiko: you can pick up one or two items from this list: job binary, job binary internals, job binaries, jobs, jobs exec, job types | 14:25 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: just notify me what do you want | 14:25 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: ok, maybe i'll start with job binary, and job binary internals | 14:25 |
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| Nikolay_St | elmiko: ok, I'll tag it on the whiteboard :D | 14:26 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: thanks | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, could you please create an etherpad with all endpoint and track the wadl creation? | 14:26 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 14:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, probably with details like samples ready, wadl ready and etc | 14:26 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: ok, I'll do it | 14:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, thx | 14:27 |
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| Nikolay_St | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Data_Processing_project_wadls | 14:28 |
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| elmiko | Nikolay_St: thanks! | 14:29 |
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| Nikolay_St | elmiko: I will fill it with info | 14:31 |
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| elmiko | Nikolay_St: cool, i check it and hopefully put up some patches by tomorrow or monday | 14:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like we're done :) | 14:37 |
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| elmiko | seems that way | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ending meeting in a few mins if no topics to chat about | 14:37 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: One quick question: do we have an authoritative map of service release to client release (beyond cut date?) | 14:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, nope, but we always have a client release right before the openstack release | 14:41 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Cool; date it is. :) | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, I expect to have client 0.9.0 release in a week to use it for new features support in different places | 14:41 |
| alazarev | egafford, service has version in requirements | 14:41 |
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| egafford | alazarev: Ack. | 14:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 14:44:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-26-14.01.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-26-14.01.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-26-14.01.log.html | 14:44 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 14:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 15:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
| * carl_baldwin really needs to clean up that meeting page. | 15:01 | |
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| carl_baldwin | We have a small number of topics still in play for rc1 | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Rc1 will be around April 9th. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:04 |
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| johnbelamaric | Well, as most in the meeting may know we were moved to L | 15:05 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar is proceeding in any case to see if we can clean up the test failures | 15:05 |
| johnbelamaric | then, we must decide whether to try to merge that version or proceed with the larger refactoring (which will touch plugins) | 15:06 |
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| johnbelamaric | I would like to target L1 if at all possible | 15:07 |
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| johnbelamaric | to cut off any chance of being pushed late in the L cycle | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: That is wise. | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | I plan to keep time dedicated to reviewing and helping out where I can. | 15:08 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: thank you, that will help | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, Do you have anything to discuss here? | 15:09 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: no, I think we can move on | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, Thanks. I will catch up on the email thread today. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | rtidwell is not here I don't think. | 15:11 |
| * carl_baldwin got his nick backwards | 15:11 | |
| tidwellr | I'm here | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr, are you around? | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr, sorry, I do that a lot with you nick for some reason. | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | Sorry, laptop was acting up, had to log in on my phone | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | I saw that the tests are looking much better on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157597/ | 15:12 |
| pavel_bondar | hi, sorry for missing meeting start | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar, hi and welcome. | 15:12 |
| tidwellr | Yes, I think we should discuss quotas, Salvatore had some reasonable concerns | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, are you around to discuss quotas? | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | yes I am | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | ...for 15 minutes | 15:14 |
| tidwellr | I know it would be a bit of a bummer, but I wonder if we can get by without subnetpool quotas | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | I think it might acceptable for kilo. | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | or we can just try and have "global" per-tenant quotas | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | which would acceptable and better than what we have now at the moment | 15:15 |
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| salv-orlando | where what we have now == nothing at all | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, You mean the same quota for each tenant? | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: nope, each tenant has its own quota, but the quota is the same across pools | 15:16 |
| salv-orlando | basically we should be able to do this adding pool_units as a "countableresource" in the quota API | 15:16 |
| salv-orlando | but I don't know what are the requirements about quotas for subnet pools allocations from the stakeholder | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, By "same across pools" mean that a tenant has only one quota to use across all pools or that the quota is just the same across pools but is counted independently? | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: good question. The current quota API has only a global counter. So it would be total number of units across pools | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | IOW, if I, a tenant, consume from one pool, does that decrease my quota for all pools? | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | the quota engine is fairly limited I'd say | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | yes, it's like with ports today | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | you have for instance 1000 ports across all networks | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | not 1000 ports per network | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, okay. I understand. | 15:19 |
| tidwellr | Doesn't seem very useful for what we want/need | 15:19 |
| salv-orlando | ok let's keep it as it then | 15:19 |
| salv-orlando | let's say that this is an exception, then? And quotas for subnet pools are managed in their own way? | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, that will be difficult. Some pools may hold very valuable ipv4 global address space. Other pools may have very cheap address space. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, Yes, that was our thinking. Sorry if that was not communicated well. | 15:20 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin, tidwellr: then let's forget about using the quota API. At this stage we should then approve tidwellr patch | 15:20 |
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| salv-orlando | if in the future we find a better way to manage quotas, we'll go back to the subnetpools API | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, That sounds good to me. I did try to find a way to fit with the current API. It just wasn't going to support what we need. | 15:22 |
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| salv-orlando | ok. | 15:23 |
| salv-orlando | I think tidwellr has only to sort out nits and then that patch can go in. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, Any other concerns about the patch or should we continue to address them in the patch? | 15:23 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I can ready your mind. | 15:23 |
| salv-orlando | * read | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Or you read and type incredibly quickly. Either way, I'm impressed. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando, Thank you for your time. | 15:24 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin, tidwellr: np. Sorry for wasting your time by raising these concerns. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I do not see it as a waste of time. | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | No worries, let's do the right thing | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr, Anything else to discuss? | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | Nope | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr, salv-orlando: Thank you. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll link the quota patch. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165264 | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don't know if anyone is around for this. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Moving the dvr job to voting was discussed in the most recent Neutron meeting. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | That is good news. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I thought there was a review to turn it to voting. But, I can't find it. | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks for your time everyone! | 15:35 |
| pc_m | bye | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 15:35:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-26-15.00.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-26-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-03-26-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 16:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 16:00 |
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| miguelgrinberg | hi | 16:00 |
| annegentle | hi | 16:00 |
| etoews | \oy | 16:00 |
| cdent | hi | 16:01 |
| kaufer | hi | 16:01 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:01 |
| etoews | feels like long time no see :) | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:01 |
| dstanek | howdy | 16:01 |
| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:02 |
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| etoews | i mixed it up a bit and moved the guidelines higher in the agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | seems like the past few meetings (that i've been a part of anyway) have been about everything but the guidelines | 16:03 |
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| etoews | i'd like to get some guidelines in the bag | 16:03 |
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| etoews | but first... | 16:04 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:04 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-12-16.00.html | 16:04 |
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| etoews | the only action there was for me to create a guideline about errors. and i've got a start on that. | 16:04 |
| etoews | any other actions from meetings past that have fallen off the radar? | 16:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | I had to start some discussion on metadata and tags on the ML, which I did a while ago | 16:05 |
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| etoews | what's the subject on that email? i don't recall seeing it. | 16:06 |
| miguelgrinberg | let me look for it, it was more than a week ago | 16:06 |
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| miguelgrinberg | etoews: http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2015-03/msg00558.html | 16:07 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ (Metadata guidelines) | 16:07 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ (Tagging guidelines) | 16:08 |
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| etoews | sorry i missed that. my email filters were failing for a couple of weeks. | 16:09 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I wouldn't possibly be able to guess why | 16:09 |
| miguelgrinberg | but as you see, not much activity | 16:09 |
| etoews | i starting to think we should add [all] to a lot of our [api] emails. | 16:10 |
| etoews | people seem to be tuning out the [api] | 16:10 |
| cdent | a) yes b) I suspect people have a hard time getting enough context on things like metadata and tagging guidelines to feel like it is relevant to them | 16:10 |
| miguelgrinberg | yeah, b) makes sense, most people don't care | 16:11 |
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| etoews | hmmm...(b) is tough one. | 16:13 |
| etoews | if nothing else, openstack requires a certain amount of perseverance and endurance. | 16:13 |
| elmiko | it seemed like, aside from swift, there wasn't much pushback on the metadata ideas miguelgrinberg had put forth earlier | 16:14 |
| annegentle | cdent: But the heat team did reach out to ask, so probably you could get some communication closure by circling back on the instance tag thread | 16:14 |
| annegentle | (you meaning miguelgrinberg not you cdent, heh) :) | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | annegentle: not only that, they have implemented tags already :) | 16:14 |
| annegentle | miguelgrinberg: figures | 16:14 |
| cdent | :) | 16:14 |
| annegentle | some of this is timing, with feature freeze looming | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | but I'm there pestering those guys all the time :) | 16:14 |
| etoews | :) | 16:14 |
| annegentle | "this" being split attention | 16:14 |
| etoews | well we're talking about guidelines anyway so... | 16:15 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:15 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:15 |
| etoews | let's continue on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ for a bit | 16:16 |
| etoews | is there consensus within the api wg on it? | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think the only critic was notmyname | 16:16 |
| elmiko | yea, i like this solution | 16:16 |
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| etoews | alright. can people please put some +1's on it and see if we can get the ball rolling again? | 16:17 |
| elmiko | will do | 16:18 |
| miguelgrinberg | There were some comments from jaypipes that I answered, but he never confirmed he was okay with my reasoning | 16:18 |
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| miguelgrinberg | mostly related to the JSON structure, he thought it could be simplified | 16:19 |
| etoews | i've observed there can be some long pauses between jaypipes responses :) | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah it would seem like everyone else is fine with it | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | notmyname wanted explicit character set definitions there (which the RFC deems is unnecessary and the I-JSON makes even more unnecessary) | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | *the I-JSON RFC | 16:20 |
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| annegentle | sigmavirus24: I'd respond on the review with that so we all know. (I didn't know) | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | annegentle: I responded earlier with that | 16:20 |
| etoews | *is unfamiliar with i-json* | 16:20 |
| annegentle | sigmavirus24: ah missed it in my scan, sorry | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: it's new | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | annegentle: no worries | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | annegentle: notmyname then just asked for examples of foreign character sets being used in JSON | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | I haven't looked to see if miguelgrinberg added that or not | 16:21 |
| miguelgrinberg | Ah right, I did not | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | (e.g., left-to-right character sets being able to be used in UTF-{8,16,32} | 16:21 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: does it need an update before we start putting some of those +1s back? | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Which if I remember my UTF-{8,16,32} well enough is also guaranteed) | 16:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | I should at least make a note regarding all texts being UTF-8/16/32 | 16:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | I personally don't think it is necessary, but doesn't hurt to be explicitt | 16:22 |
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| etoews | #action miguelgrinberg to at least make a note regarding all texts being UTF-8/16/32 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ | 16:23 |
| etoews | let's move on | 16:23 |
| annegentle | miguelgrinberg: it's always good to address reviewers input so they keep reviewing :) | 16:23 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ | 16:23 |
| etoews | i haven't had a chance to look at that one yet | 16:23 |
| etoews | looking good though | 16:24 |
| elmiko | again, seems like we have good consensus among ourselves. no dissent yet... | 16:24 |
| etoews | time to broaden it to the CPLs? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i think so | 16:24 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: care to add the CPLs to the reviewers? | 16:25 |
| miguelgrinberg | maybe add the same note about tags being UTF? | 16:25 |
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| etoews | sure | 16:25 |
| miguelgrinberg | I'll push a new version for both in a little bit | 16:26 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cdent: so you want I-JSON, eh? | 16:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 16:26 |
| cdent | heh | 16:26 |
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| cdent | I just can't stand that anyone uses anything else, ever | 16:26 |
| etoews | #action miguelgrinberg to add note about UTF to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ and add CPLs to reviewers | 16:26 |
| etoews | allow json in the api wg repo #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167869/ | 16:28 |
| etoews | what say you? | 16:28 |
| cdent | +several | 16:28 |
| elmiko | got my thumbs up ;) | 16:28 |
| etoews | muchas gracias | 16:28 |
| etoews | errors #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167793/ | 16:30 |
| etoews | i'm adding some of my own comments to that review right now. | 16:30 |
| elmiko | i think it's a great idea, and i like the starting material | 16:31 |
| cdent | I think needs to happen but it is unlikely to be a smooth transition | 16:31 |
| elmiko | i wonder if we should engage with the log-wg too though? | 16:31 |
| cdent | also, I'm curious about the use of 500 in some of the examples | 16:31 |
| elmiko | this seems to border on their expertise as well | 16:31 |
| * sigmavirus24 hasn't read it | 16:31 | |
| miguelgrinberg | I like it | 16:32 |
| cdent | what is the general feeling about 500 among this group? My feeling is it should almost never happen. | 16:32 |
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| cdent | (that is it should only happen on an uncaught exception) | 16:32 |
| elmiko | i think 500 is appropriate if the server has some internal issue | 16:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: I would rather 500 become the default OK response | 16:32 |
| * sigmavirus24 jokes | 16:32 | |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: ok, was gonna say... | 16:32 |
| elmiko | the term "habitual line stepper" comes to mind ;) | 16:33 |
| cdent | :) | 16:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:33 |
| elmiko | hehe! | 16:33 |
| jaypipes | etoews: sorry. | 16:34 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: :) welcome | 16:35 |
| etoews | cdent: so it's always a minefield when providing an example | 16:35 |
| annegentle | etoews: that's a good example, the scheduler not finding a valid host happens a lot | 16:36 |
| cdent | yeah etoews, it just seemed like it was being kind of encouraging of such things, and...well | 16:36 |
| etoews | i made a note that it's a totally contrived example but i totally get that it's hard to see past the details. | 16:36 |
| etoews | cdent: exactly. please comment on the review. | 16:36 |
| annegentle | etoews: but is it really 500 they get back on scheduler failure (I'm looking) | 16:36 |
| etoews | i should know better | 16:36 |
| cdent | will do etoews | 16:36 |
| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: +2 from me on that. your answers make sense. | 16:37 |
| etoews | example code has a way of becoming real code when people copy/pasta it literally | 16:37 |
| elmiko | etoews: really stepped into this time | 16:37 |
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| etoews | thanks jaypipes :) no worries. | 16:37 |
| miguelgrinberg | jaypipes: awesome, thanks | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | it's unfortunate that the example json files are the first in the review | 16:37 |
| etoews | elmiko: :) i'm completely expecting this one to be a lightning rod | 16:37 |
| etoews | i'm grabbing with both hands. | 16:38 |
| elmiko | ha! | 16:38 |
| etoews | i'd appreciate some feedback on my comments in that review too. | 16:38 |
| etoews | and i still have 2 things left todo. (1) Get samples of errors from some of the services and (2) give the projects some guidance on how they could adopt this format. | 16:38 |
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| etoews | samples are easy. i can at the very least do a bad GET on a resource from the api | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i'll ask again, should we get some input from the log-wg regarding possible error formats? | 16:39 |
| etoews | (2) will be trickier but i'm hoping after (1) i can find a way | 16:39 |
| elmiko | or at least pull them in on the review | 16:40 |
| etoews | elmiko: yes! sorry i missed that. | 16:40 |
| elmiko | cool, no worries | 16:40 |
| etoews | i mentioned it in a comment on the front page of the review "I'd like to discuss this within the API WG first before broadening the discussion to the CPLs and the Logging WG." | 16:40 |
| etoews | i consider the id and code properties to be the "interface" to the stuff the logging wg is doing. | 16:41 |
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| etoews | i tried to call that out explicitly in the schema | 16:41 |
| miguelgrinberg | etoews: I mentioned this in a comment. Do we need a common list of codes for the errors all projects need to handle? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | etoews: ok, cool. i must have missed that part. | 16:41 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: one sec. | 16:42 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: do you mean common codes that would go into the code property? | 16:43 |
| miguelgrinberg | etoews: yes | 16:44 |
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| miguelgrinberg | and their associated hrefs | 16:44 |
| etoews | the logging wg is working on that | 16:44 |
| miguelgrinberg | ah okay, great | 16:44 |
| etoews | the associated hrefs is an open question | 16:44 |
| etoews | that's why i am considering making it optional | 16:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | etoews: maybe that's a good idea | 16:45 |
| etoews | i suppose projects could always "default" to linking to the api doc but that probably isn't super helpful because that's where the developer probably just came from ;) | 16:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | yeah, should be included only if there is a meaningful link for it | 16:46 |
| cdent | Is there not an existing emerging standard we can steal for this. I know much of this was framed on jsonapi, yeah. Can we not just do exactly what they do? | 16:46 |
| etoews | as for common code to generate the errors that could be doable in oslo i think | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | eventually I hope we have that | 16:46 |
| etoews | cdent: that was my original thought | 16:46 |
| cdent | that would also allow for the common code | 16:47 |
| etoews | and a lot is common but i don't think all of it is appropriate to openstack | 16:47 |
| etoews | if we did change href to links, we'd certainly be breaking further away from json-apoi | 16:47 |
| etoews | apoi | 16:47 |
| etoews | i think that's a good start on that review. thanks for the comments. | 16:48 |
| etoews | #topic Service catalog consistency | 16:48 |
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| annegentle | holla | 16:48 |
| etoews | i believe annegentle added that one | 16:48 |
| annegentle | so Sean Dague's interested in service catalog consistency from a QA standpoint, aren't we all. | 16:48 |
| annegentle | so he asked what next steps were based on etoews ML post from Dec? | 16:49 |
| annegentle | and I'm implicated as well :) | 16:49 |
| annegentle | So I'm bringing it here | 16:49 |
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| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053295.html | 16:49 |
| annegentle | I guess the next step is draft a guideline? | 16:49 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 16:50 |
| annegentle | Current state is here | 16:50 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Service_Catalog | 16:50 |
| annegentle | So, my ask here is, 1) what additional analysis is needed of current state? and 2) is anyone interested in drafting guidelines? | 16:50 |
| etoews | is dtroyer around? | 16:50 |
| etoews | he inadvertently defined the defacto service catalog by virtue of devstack | 16:51 |
| annegentle | I think what happens now is DevStack becomes a "standard" | 16:51 |
| annegentle | heh right. | 16:51 |
| etoews | :) | 16:52 |
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| annegentle | I'll let people read a bit, but let me know if you're interested, and what else we need to investigate. I can't clear my plate until after April, but I'm interested in working on it. | 16:52 |
| etoews | i guess i was hoping someone from QA would step up and propose a guideline | 16:52 |
| annegentle | yeah, that's a possibility too, they're looking for "where" and I'm saying "API-WG" | 16:53 |
| annegentle | so I can also ask there | 16:53 |
| etoews | i don't think any of us have the bandwidth right now | 16:53 |
| annegentle | right. | 16:53 |
| annegentle | Okay, let me know if anyone's interested, and I'll also ask Qa. | 16:53 |
| etoews | thx annegentle | 16:53 |
| etoews | #topic Capability Discovery API | 16:53 |
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| etoews | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/059284.html | 16:53 |
| etoews | really just posting that there for visibility | 16:54 |
| etoews | i'm not entirely sure what to do about it at this point | 16:54 |
| elmiko | seems like a cool idea though | 16:55 |
| etoews | we need to get people who want guidelines to also propose guidelines. | 16:55 |
| etoews | maybe i'll prod them to do so | 16:55 |
| elmiko | a novel idea ;) | 16:55 |
| etoews | #topic meeting time | 16:56 |
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| elmiko | i wonder if it would be helpful if we had some sort of guideline template, like we do for specs? | 16:56 |
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| etoews | elmiko: +1 | 16:56 |
| etoews | elmiko: care to take a crack at it ;) | 16:56 |
| elmiko | etoews: ok, i'll try to come up with something | 16:57 |
| etoews | #action elmiko to try to come up with a guideline template | 16:57 |
| etoews | thanks! | 16:57 |
| elmiko | most likely i'll need help, but that's what reviews are for =) | 16:57 |
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| etoews | is that alternate meeting time killing anyone else? | 16:57 |
| etoews | now with dst it's become almost impossible for me to attend | 16:58 |
| elmiko | i can make it, but it is kinda late during dst | 16:58 |
| annegentle | I can't ever make it regardless of dst sorry :( | 16:58 |
| elmiko | =( | 16:58 |
| etoews | do we change it? | 16:58 |
| elmiko | i think we need to hear from the asia/australia/nz contingent | 16:59 |
| elmiko | maybe something for the ML? | 16:59 |
| etoews | ya. that was my feeling too. | 16:59 |
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| etoews | #action etoews to discuss changing meeting time on ML. | 16:59 |
| etoews | time | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 17:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-26-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-26-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-26-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews ! | 17:00 |
| etoews | thanks all! | 17:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro igordcard: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:01 |
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| magesh | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 18:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_26th.2C_2015 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone want to announce anything? | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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| yamahata | hello | 18:02 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | Shall we list the accepted vancouver talks GBP related? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sure, lets do that in the open discussion | 18:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ack | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets also update the wiki page (i have the proposed talks listed at the bottom) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: since we are at it, please go ahead :-) | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i mean announce the talk that got accepted | 18:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: oh ok | 18:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | GBP Lab session got accepted (let me retrieve the link) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, thats great | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | #link https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/event/fe712eb5f27186ffd64ed787244af4f3?iframe=yes&w=i:0;&sidebar=no&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:0;&sidebar=no&bg=no | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the hands-on lab session that ivar-lazzaro and rkukura had proposed has been accepted ^^^ | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are all on the hook for this one, i would request everyone to participate the preparation for this one | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Everyone's input/help is accepted of course! That's a great opportunity to show GBP up and running | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ++ | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also please make yourself available at the time of the session, since we will need voluteers to help with conducting the session | 18:06 |
| igordcard_ | alright! | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and of course the team here is the expert on GBP ;-) | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Is there anything else? I don't remember all the proposals | 18:07 |
| yapeng | great! | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are at least a couple of more “user-story” kind of talks | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have the information handy, but i will update the wiki page with those | 18:07 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: oh well, it conflicts with my other talk... | 18:07 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro: nice picture, though :-) | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: darn | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you have a GBP related talk that got accepted, please add here: | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy#Team_Activities | 18:08 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | s3wong: thanks :) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will change the “proposed” talks to “accepted” talks | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets discuss more on the hands on lab in the open discussion | 18:08 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: my accepted talk is about Tacker | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ah great, very relevant | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: perhaps we can have a standing item on the agenda in the lead up to the conference to discuss the hands-on-lab session | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so that we are all well prepared | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else with any other announcements? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: how is this coming along: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1433530 | 18:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1433530 in Group Based Policy "GBP Kilo release should be in sync with Neutron Kilo" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:10 |
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| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: Ran into a lot of issues on this, but most are fixed now, just a few more UTs failing still | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: ah okay | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: thanks for following up individually with the vendor driver owners on this | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: are any of those blocking you at this point? | 18:12 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: this needs a thorough devstack testing as well | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: yes | 18:12 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: We may also parallely need a devstack branch updated to master + gbp | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: yes lets discuss that offline, since i am trying to get the gate job to work | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: and it will be nice to have that in place to test | 18:13 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: ok, I think the pending issues should be sorted out in a day or two | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: ok, anything you want to discuss with the rest of the team here on that? | 18:14 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: sure, so basically delete External segment doesnt seem to happen when run with just the implicit policy driver | 18:15 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: You have a commenty on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165378/2/test-requirements.txt suggesting pinning to a neutronclient commit, right? | 18:15 |
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| magesh | The delete api request is not throwing any error, but the resource is not getting cleaned up in UTs | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, i was more asking | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: can you take a quick look at the issue magesh is running into? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is the client counter-part of what magesh is doing | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the server side patch is: #link https://review.openstack.org/165377 | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry should have posted that link earlier | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: great, thanks! | 18:17 |
| magesh | rkukura, SumitNaiksatam: For both the client and server, should we pin on some commit now or wait till may be kilo rc1 is cut on Neutron | 18:17 |
| magesh | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: i dont think we need to pin on commit for neutron server | 18:18 |
| rkukura | I think we should track master for the server, but maybe pin the client | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: at least until kilo release | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah basically what rkukura said | 18:18 |
| magesh | rkukura, SumitNaiksatam: okay | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: my understanding is that we are supporting 2.3.10 neutron client, right? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: are is there an even later version? | 18:18 |
| rkukura | magesh: Is making the IPD usable without the RMD being handled as part of this same patch? | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | magesh: the Jenkins logs are weird | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i hope not | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | magesh: 'Zero tests were run. At least one test should have been run.' | 18:19 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: I did not check the corresponding released versions, will check | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: ok | 18:19 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam, magesh: The bit about “… with just the implicit policy driver” above, plus some code I noticed in the patch, seem to indicate this might be the case | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: rkukura’s question ^^^ | 18:20 |
| magesh | ivar-lazzaro: I think it might be some temporary issue, with the latest patch, when I ran UTs all tests were successfull except 5 | 18:20 |
| magesh | rkukura: No, that is not handled as part of this patch | 18:21 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: rkukura: There have always been unit tests for the IPD alone | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah okay got it, magesh was referring to those | 18:21 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | the issue we have is that RMD doesn't work without IPD, not the way around | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:22 |
| magesh | right, the UTs for IPD doesnt run with RMD configured | 18:22 |
| rkukura | magesh: Are the changes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165377/10/gbpservice/neutron/extensions/group_policy_mapping.py needed due to something that changed in neutron during kilo? | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | magesh: I sure hope not ;) | 18:22 |
| magesh | rkukura: I couldnt get what caused this, but I think the L4-L7 service splitting from Neutron may have something to do with this | 18:24 |
| rkukura | magesh: that sounds plausible - thanks | 18:24 |
| magesh | rkukura: Basically here the extensions got initialized twice and it was causing an issue | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | But that operation is already done here #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/extensions/group_policy.py#L34 | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: thats interesting, we already have that delta in the group_policy.py | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah | 18:24 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | and that is imported by group_policy_mapping too, so it should run | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: i dont think the split should have an impact | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point, please comment on the patch | 18:25 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we are 25 mins into the meeting, lets move on | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: thanks for the update, lets work to get the loose ends tied on this | 18:26 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 | 18:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this in review | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/164920 | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | needs at least one more core’s attention | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | As per igordcard comment on the ML, I've also enabled EP providing chains | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice! | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i think igordcard has obliged with a +1 ;-) | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: anything more to discuss on that critical bug? | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I have one thing to say though, if one of the chain experts here could quickly test it in devstack it would be great :) | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hopefully we can exercise the test suite on this | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: however we dont have tests for EP providing chains | 18:28 |
| magesh | ivar-lazzaro: I wanted to do that a few days back, but this got lost from the TODO list, will try this out | 18:28 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: it would be nice to do it before merging though | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | magesh: thanks! | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i had confidence in this patch because i had seen it work (or at least part of it) in the PoC we were doing here | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | magesh: I still have some concerns about having the EP providing the chains... but I've done it so that we have both versions available | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: this is different, especially if we enable chain providing | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: unless there are obvious issues with the patch, i would like to move ahead (in the interest of iterative progress) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | move ahead with the patch i mean | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, any other bugs we need to discuss today? | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I actually wanted to discuss the providing a little bit more... For instance, what happens with the LBs? | 18:30 |
| magesh | ivar-lazzaro: okay, I will go through it, I will follow up on it with you may be offline | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: there are no policy targets in that EP | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay sure | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: what happens which LBs? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *with which | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: what do we expect? to create a LB without members (should be the behavior today) or to have a specific set of services that are "providable" by EPs? | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: correct me if i am wrong, but the EP does not have a policy targets, right? | 18:32 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: exactly | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: therefore a LB on that side is completely useless | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so my simplistic assumption would be that there is external/manual configuration | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: also, EPs don't have NSP associated with them | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps LB is not a good example in this case? | 18:33 |
| magesh | ivar-lazzaro, sumitNaiksatam: EP or EPG ? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it could be a logging service like hemanthravi was mentioning last week | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: it is a good example to understand how to deal with unusable services | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: EP as in External Policy | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | magesh: External Policy | 18:34 |
| magesh | got confused with the acronyms ! thanks | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: :-) | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah I agree with that point, what we miss though is a way to avoid bad things to happen when a PRS with a LB is provided | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: LB or any other unusable service | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i think we always make the assumption that not all service-types (or their flavors) can be used everywhere | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the “integrity check” is left to the service-chain provider (at least the way it is today) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and perhaps we are not implementing any robust integrity check either ;-) | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok, so this part is missing from my implementation | 18:36 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I don't think so :) but we can address that in a separate issue | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is mostly because we are only tying into services that are provided to us by Neutron | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: as long as we all agree that we need to properly screen the service types that an EP can provide | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we made many simplifying assumptions to get off the ground :-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oh absolutely agree on that | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for bringing this up | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that makes sense, then I suggest we file an issue regarding this particular problem and we can discuss that | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I'll take the action | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, great, i would prefer not to block the current patch | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: anything else to discuss on this? | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: Nope, let's wait for magesh's approval and we are set :) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i put a process comment on #link https://review.openstack.org/164907 | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: other than that patch is good | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are running behind today | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | sharing is caring! | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration Tests | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ;-) | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am still working on the fix this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161532/ | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging update | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: there was a question around CentOS 6.5 support | 18:41 |
| rkukura | I didn’t see that. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: is this tested, and which Fedora packages can be used for this? | 18:41 |
| rkukura | My understanding was that RDO does not support EL6 | 18:42 |
| rkukura | at least for juno and beyond | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, but if someone wants to run CentOS 6.5? | 18:43 |
| rkukura | what openstack distro are they using? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good question, i dont know :-) | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay i will follow up offline with you | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Project Proposal | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161902/ | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this has been added to next week’s TC agenda | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the meeting is on IRC at 22.00 UTC, March 31st | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, 20.00 UTC | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our favorite topic | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so last week #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159725 was merged | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks yapeng and Yi | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156776 is ready to go? | 18:47 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: okay nice | 18:48 |
| Yi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156856/ needs some extra work, but is very close to be done | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | requesting the cores to take a look | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: good, about to ask you that | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng: any blockers? | 18:48 |
| Yi | everything seems fine | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: I have a question about the mock_neutron.meta_mock decorator | 18:49 |
| Yi | Ivar helped us a lot, and the patched UT seems fine | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: Yi: as with the discussion with magesh on testing, this needs to be tested thoroughly with devstack | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: If I understand correctly, that is needed in all the UTs, is that correct? | 18:49 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: go ahead | 18:49 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: pretty much yes | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: isn't there any way to do it in the setUp method then? | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: I say that because I'm pretty sure people are going to forget/not know to use it | 18:50 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: how to do it with setUp to patch those methods? | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: I have to look at it, but I think you can just do the same thing you to on meta_mock in the setUp | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | well, my using the patch method instead of the decorator ofc | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s/my/by | 18:52 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | let me find I link for an example | 18:53 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: that would be great | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/tests/unit/services/grouppolicy/test_resource_mapping.py#L70-L71 | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would prefer if this can be done in the setup as well | 18:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: would something like this work? | 18:54 |
| Yi | ivar-lazzaro: let me take a look | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: yapeng: thanks for the update | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:55 |
| Yi | I will ping you offline if I have any issues.:-) | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/157298 | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Yi: ok :) I'll be flying for a couple of days though | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: i know you have been busy with the pre-requisite step for this | 18:55 |
| magesh | SumitNaiksatam: yes, but comments are welcome on this patch, this needs some more work | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: any update that you want to provide? | 18:56 |
| magesh | Right now, the implementation is like this | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: i believe you will get more comments once you post a response to the current comments, and perhpas post a new patch set | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/157298 | 18:57 |
| magesh | ah, my bad the spec isnt updated | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: np | 18:58 |
| magesh | #link https://review.openstack.org/167174 | 18:58 |
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| magesh | I have a WIP patch , may be all of you can take a look at this and see which way we want to head | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: ah okay, did not show up on my radar | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: have added reviewers now | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh: thanks for the update there | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have a minute | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed? | 18:59 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: stable/juno plans? | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, not tagged it, i will try to do that EoD | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for bringing that up | 19:00 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty thanks everyone for your time today! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 19:01:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-26-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-26-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| magesh | bye | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-03-26-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
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| mattgriffin | HA Guide meeting in 5 min | 20:55 |
| mattgriffin | hello HA Guide team | 21:00 |
| Shamail | hi mattgriffin | 21:00 |
| mattgriffin | hello Shamail | 21:01 |
| megm_ | Hi, all! | 21:01 |
| Shamail | hi megm_ | 21:01 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 21:02:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | i going to need to step away in a few min. shouldn't be long | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | hi megm_ | 21:02 |
| Shamail | seems like a small crowd today anyway :) | 21:02 |
| Shamail | but we are a small team anyway, so... | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | Sam-I-Am, you around? | 21:03 |
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| mattgriffin | here's the agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:03 |
| mattgriffin | any other items to discuss? | 21:04 |
| Shamail | I would like an update on whether people reviewed TOC and when can we consider it finalized to start making further progress | 21:04 |
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| mattgriffin | Shamail, ok | 21:04 |
| Shamail | I added some comments in the TOC (that was our established plan during the last meeting) | 21:04 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, saw those. thank you | 21:05 |
| megm_ | Yes, good stuff. | 21:05 |
| megm_ | I assume that, as we get into the real writing, we'll need to adjust the structure slightly. | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | #topic Terminology question: "storage provider" or "storage backend"? | 21:05 |
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| megm_ | So with that hypothesis, it seems like a good outline | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | re: terminology, i don't mind either option | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | brb | 21:06 |
| Shamail | I don't think we do either, we just wanted to standardize on one. | 21:06 |
| Shamail | okay | 21:06 |
| megm_ | Shamail, since it's just us... | 21:07 |
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| megm_ | So is EMC a storage provider/backend or another layer | 21:07 |
| Shamail | It would be provider/backend | 21:08 |
| megm_ | So I would choose between, say, Cinder LVM, Ceph, or EMC? | 21:08 |
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| Shamail | Exactly | 21:09 |
| Shamail | They would all still leverage Cinder volume and scheduler services | 21:09 |
| megm_ | And does EMC also work with Glance and for ephemeral storage? | 21:09 |
| Shamail | Sorry | 21:10 |
| Shamail | got distratced for a secon | 21:11 |
| megm_ | Terminology... I'm guessing that the engineers working on the OpenStack infrastructure favor "storage backend" | 21:11 |
| Shamail | Yes, it does.. however the way to interface with all of those service varies | 21:11 |
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| megm_ | and companies that are selling alternatives prefer "storage provider", right? | 21:11 |
| Shamail | Nope, even vendors are fine with both terms. | 21:11 |
| megm_ | np -- and, of course, the interface details work with both. | 21:12 |
| Shamail | I'm fine with either | 21:12 |
| Shamail | If backend is more common then that should be what we use as well | 21:12 |
| mattgriffin | cool. so "storage backend" | 21:12 |
| megm_ | I wish we had a larger quorum for opinions here... My exposure is limited and perhaps biased | 21:12 |
| Shamail | I just checked, ops guide uses backend. :) | 21:12 |
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| mattgriffin | Shamail, cool | 21:13 |
| megm_ | So are we good with "storage backend"? | 21:13 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 21:13 |
| Shamail | +1 | 21:13 |
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| mattgriffin | cool... next topic | 21:13 |
| megm_ | I prefer that -- and it means we can talk about "third party storage providers such as EMC, etc ;-) | 21:13 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | #topic Action items from last meeting | 21:14 |
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| mattgriffin | reminder: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-19-21.01.html | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-03-19-21.01.html | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | doesn't look like nick is around | 21:14 |
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| megm_ | And I didn't hear from him about setting up the files and converting | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, ok. let's keep that on the agenda b/c it's important to clarify | 21:15 |
| megm_ | I did update the Wiki piece about moving to the standard repo | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, great | 21:16 |
| megm_ | Yes, we need to set things up so we can start writing. | 21:16 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, where is that update? | 21:16 |
| megm_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ha-guide-march-2015-update | 21:16 |
| megm_ | next-to-last paragraph | 21:16 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, cool | 21:17 |
| mattgriffin | i think there's still some prodding to get some more reviews of the TOC | 21:18 |
| mattgriffin | i'm interested to hear if Sam-I-Am (hint hint) has more feedback on the networking section | 21:18 |
| megm_ | Have the network-guide people agreed to cover HA in their guide? | 21:19 |
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| mattgriffin | megm_, don't think so but would be good to get confirmation | 21:19 |
| mattgriffin | i'll make that an action item | 21:20 |
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| mattgriffin | #action check if the network-guide people have agreed to cover HA in their guide | 21:20 |
| megm_ | I'm also concerned about some other projects -- like Sahara. Right now, their docs don't say anything | 21:20 |
| megm_ | And that could be gnarly because Hadoop has its own HA implementation so somewhere we need to document | 21:21 |
| megm_ | how that works with OpenStack HA | 21:21 |
| Shamail | megm_: it would be a similar concept to how we are approaching storage backends | 21:22 |
| Shamail | We need to cover HA from an OpenStack services perspective... anything beyond this should be noted and explained a high-level but ultimately deferred to an implementation choice | 21:23 |
| Shamail | at a high-level* | 21:23 |
| megm_ | Really? So we should provide some info about Sahara HA? It would be fun but I'm not sure it's the right approach. | 21:23 |
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| megm_ | The HA Guide could get bogged down with even high-level discussions of all these "peripheral" projects, couldn't it? | 21:23 |
| Shamail | I think anything that has the integrated tag should be fair game, no? | 21:23 |
| Shamail | just integrated-release ones | 21:24 |
| Shamail | We are already covering (based on TOC) Keystone, Glance, Nova, Cinder, Swift, Heat, Ceilometer, and Trove | 21:24 |
| megm_ | That could be a good demarkation... | 21:24 |
| mattgriffin | i think that's a good list for now | 21:25 |
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| mattgriffin | much more known and documented already about those projects | 21:25 |
| megm_ | We are going to need some help from the Sahara people for this, right? | 21:26 |
| Shamail | so our demarkation point is "integrated + significant deployments"? | 21:26 |
| Shamail | # of deployments | 21:26 |
| mattgriffin | i think so. at least to determine priorities. may change as we really get into updates/writing | 21:27 |
| Shamail | Cool | 21:27 |
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| megm_ | Sounds good to me -- how do we get the Sahara people onboard? | 21:28 |
| mattgriffin | you guys involved with Sahara at all? | 21:28 |
| megm_ | I'm not | 21:29 |
| megm_ | But I think it's interesting ;-) | 21:29 |
| Shamail | Negative | 21:29 |
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| mattgriffin | let's see if nick or Sam-I-Am can provide some direction on Sahara, yes? | 21:30 |
| Shamail | Sounds good... | 21:30 |
| mattgriffin | #action check with nick and Sam-I-Am on inclusion (how/if) of Sahara in HA Guide | 21:30 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, move on to your topic? | 21:31 |
| megm_ | Here is their wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara -- I don't see meetings or HA but maybe if I look more closely | 21:31 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, :) | 21:31 |
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| megm_ | Yes, move on | 21:32 |
| mattgriffin | #topic update on whether people reviewed TOC and when can we consider it finalized to start making further progress | 21:32 |
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| Shamail | Sounds good... I think without Nick or Sam-I-Am we might need to extend the deadline for TOC review? Or are we good to go with the one we have right now? | 21:32 |
| mattgriffin | after looking over the guide another time. i think it's in pretty good shape to begin... | 21:32 |
| mattgriffin | but good point on nick and Sam-I-Am | 21:32 |
| Shamail | I think so too | 21:32 |
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| mattgriffin | let's extend to 1 more week | 21:33 |
| megm_ | Once we agree on the TOC, how immutable is it? | 21:33 |
| Shamail | That works for me. megm_ and I have lots to discuss on storage anyway. :) | 21:33 |
| megm_ | +1 | 21:34 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, i think we should expect it to change but only in terms of the details. the structure seems sound to me | 21:34 |
| megm_ | mattgriffin +1 | 21:34 |
| Shamail | What will be the process for adding additional topics in the future? (e.g. if a project team wants to get involved) | 21:35 |
| mattgriffin | cool. so we will extend for 1 more week and poke others to give their +1s or comments | 21:35 |
| Shamail | We can just add something to our wiki | 21:35 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, works for me... and join this meeting and tell us or ask for our help | 21:35 |
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| Shamail | Exactly | 21:35 |
| Shamail | We want to keep an open door policy for inclusion so we'll tell them to stop by and discuss | 21:35 |
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| mattgriffin | #action annoy nick and Sam-I-Am to look at TOC one more time | 21:36 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, +1 | 21:36 |
| megm_ | +1 to everything said | 21:36 |
| mattgriffin | ok. any other business to discuss? | 21:36 |
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| megm_ | not here | 21:36 |
| Shamail | Just a quick comment | 21:36 |
| mattgriffin | sure | 21:36 |
| Shamail | I have a session (along with Cloud Don and Sriram) at the summmit | 21:36 |
| Shamail | HA: Theory to Reality | 21:37 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, congrats | 21:37 |
| Shamail | It will definitely reference our guide | 21:37 |
| megm_ | Ooh, sounds interesting! | 21:37 |
| Shamail | so just wanted to let the team know | 21:37 |
| Shamail | Cloud Don and Gerd, lol | 21:37 |
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| Shamail | not his two alter egos | 21:37 |
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| megm_ | ;-) | 21:37 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, that's great! please see if you can recruit some contributors :) | 21:38 |
| Shamail | Absolutely!!! | 21:38 |
| mattgriffin | fantastic | 21:38 |
| Shamail | cya mattgriffin and megm_ | 21:38 |
| mattgriffin | ok. if there isn't any other business, i'm going to endmeeting | 21:38 |
| mattgriffin | later Shamail | 21:38 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 21:38:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-03-26-21.02.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-03-26-21.02.txt | 21:38 |
| megm_ | bye | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-03-26-21.02.log.html | 21:38 |
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| mattgriffin | minutes will be added to the HA Guide wiki | 21:38 |
| mattgriffin | page | 21:38 |
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