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SergeyLukjanovhey sahara folks13:57
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elmikohey13:57
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Nikolay_Sto/13:58
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SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting sahara13:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  9 13:59:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:59
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'13:59
SergeyLukjanov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda13:59
SergeyLukjanov#topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov)13:59
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toskyhi13:59
alazarevo/13:59
SergeyLukjanov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon13:59
NikitaKonovalovo/13:59
sreshetn2o/14:00
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NikitaKonovalovsince horizon is in Feature freeze state I have no update here14:00
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crobertsrhwaiting on a fix (top of the list)14:00
huichunhi14:00
egafford1Hello14:00
crobertsrhit will fix spark jobs via the UI14:00
SergeyLukjanovyeah, got it14:01
SergeyLukjanovdoes the corrseponding bug in horizon targeted to rcX&14:01
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SergeyLukjanovdoes the corrseponding bug in horizon targeted to rcX?14:01
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weitinghi14:03
NikitaKonovalovcrobertsrh: if it is not targeted, there is no chance to get reviews14:03
alazarevit looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142950/ will not be in Kilo, patch available from Dec :(14:03
SergeyLukjanovheh...14:03
crobertsrhI'll get it on their radar14:03
NikitaKonovalovThe change is small though it should be accepted fast14:03
NikitaKonovalovalazarev: the same thing14:04
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, thx14:04
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toskyand it's a bug fix, so it could still be accepted (if not for .0, at least for .1)14:04
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, yup, I think so14:04
SergeyLukjanovanything else on this topic?14:05
NikitaKonovalovnothing from me14:05
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SergeyLukjanov#topic News / updates14:06
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SergeyLukjanovfolks, please14:06
huichunhi Seygey, so I have sent the FFE email for horizon patch, what else should I do?14:06
elmikomainly been working on doc updates this week, i'm going to look into a bug that i've found with data source/job binary download through the /data endpoints.14:07
sreshetn2i've added minor patches in saharaclient14:07
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huichuni am working a bug on job delete issue14:08
toskysahara CLI tests are in python-saharaclient (from tempest) and gating14:08
Nikolay_Stworking on the docs update and also add hacking checks for logs14:09
pino|workworking on sahara elements, sorry again for the small hiccup with missing wget/tar14:10
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crobertsrhI've mostly been doc reading/testing.  Found a couple of bugs, just one significant bug so far though, which I mentioned earlier.14:10
huichunhi Pino I have sent your email for some help on Sahara elements14:12
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pino|workhuichun: replied already ;)14:12
SergeyLukjanovtosky, cool14:12
kchenI am working on adding versionedobject. And I added an item in liberty proposed session etherpad about it.14:12
SergeyLukjanovhuichun, I think it's anyway too late14:12
huichunThx Pino^_^14:12
SergeyLukjanovhuichun, for FFE14:12
SergeyLukjanovall project already has rc1 I think14:13
kchenI plan to write a sample patch for some simple objects, like nodegroup-template, as the first step.14:13
SergeyLukjanovnow only critical bugfixes could be merged14:13
SergeyLukjanovslightly switching to14:14
SergeyLukjanov#topic Open discussion14:14
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kchenHi Sergey, when will the master be changed to Liberty?14:14
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huichunThx Sergey14:14
SergeyLukjanovkchen, it's already Liberty :)14:14
SergeyLukjanov#info RC1 released, master is now opened for Liberty14:14
kchenok14:15
SergeyLukjanovfolks, please, keep writing ideas for summit and liberty release time frame14:15
SergeyLukjanov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions14:15
pino|workno stable/kilo branches yet?14:15
pino|workalso, i'd like to propose adding more non-voting jobs to the jenkins jobs for sahara-image-elements14:18
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SergeyLukjanovpino|work, there is a proposed/kilo branches for upcoming rcX14:18
pino|worki.e., to generate also the other types of images, like spark, storm, hdp, and cloudera14:18
egafford1pino|work: +1. Having more history to judge persistent failure would be great, and while those jobs are time-consuming, they're not very resource intensive.14:19
kchenAll, I added an item in liberty proposed session etherpad about integrating versionedobject into Sahara. I will put some detail info in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-versionedobject later.14:21
elmikonice14:21
weitingCan Sahara Kilo support to back port into Juno OpenStack environment?14:21
pino|workso far i have http://paste.openstack.org/show/201308/ for project-config.git, but i'd like anybody with experience with yaml zuul jobs to check that out14:21
SergeyLukjanovweiting, we have Sahara master working ok on the Juno OpenStack14:22
weitingSome customers they are using OpenStack Juno, but would like to use Sahara Kilo's feature14:22
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kchenSergey, is the Juno Horizon working well with Sahara Kilo?14:23
SergeyLukjanovkchen, you run Horizon from master as well I think14:23
SergeyLukjanovkchen, if don't need Sahara related features introduced in Kilo in Horizon than you could use the old Horizon14:24
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toskyisn't there the problem with endpoints and data_processing vs data-processing?14:26
tosky(if you want to use a different version of horizon)14:26
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alazarevtosky, you can always configure that14:27
toskyright too14:27
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elmikomaybe the update template stuff would be missing14:28
elmiko?14:28
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SergeyLukjanovelmiko, I think it's still not merged into Horizon :(14:29
elmikolol, oh well14:29
crobertsrh:(14:29
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crobertsrhI have seen no movement on that FFE either14:30
egafford1:( indeed crobertsrh. Yeah, the FFEs for Horizon seem not to have gone anywhere.14:30
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egafford1SergeyLukjanov, sreshetnyak, alazarev: Any known problems for 2014.2.3? All seems to be well on that front, just wondering if others have seen issues.14:37
kchenit will comes from proposed/kilo?14:37
alazarevegafford1, not from my side14:37
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SergeyLukjanovegafford1, I think it works nice14:38
egafford1SergeyLukjanov: Me too, happily.14:38
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SergeyLukjanovanything else to chat about?14:40
elmikonothing from me14:40
kchennothing from me14:40
pino|workSergeyLukjanov: any idea regarding my sahara ci addition proposal?14:40
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SergeyLukjanovpino|work, I've not seen it yet14:43
SergeyLukjanovpino|work, sorry14:44
pino|workSergeyLukjanov: see above, ~20m ago14:44
egafford1SergeyLukjanov: I think he was referring to adding non-voting jobs for sahara-image-elements (to generate each image type.)14:44
SergeyLukjanovpino|work, oh, I got it14:44
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pino|workegafford1: y14:44
SergeyLukjanovpino|work, I think it's possible, let me think about it :)14:45
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pino|workSergeyLukjanov: this would be just for the image generating jobs, not any actual functional test (so far)14:46
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SergeyLukjanovpino|work, I think we can do it after the kilo release14:49
SergeyLukjanov(in a dew weeks)14:49
pino|workSergeyLukjanov: why not even right now?14:50
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pino|workthe configuration i'd propose has the additional jobs as always non-voting14:50
SergeyLukjanovif you'd like - you could propose changes14:51
pino|workwhile the current vanilla jobs are voting on non-master branches14:51
SergeyLukjanovand send me links - I'll review and +214:51
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pino|workyeah, but since i don't have much experience with the yaml zuul configuration, i'd like somebody who did the current sahara jobs to give a second hand before sending14:52
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SergeyLukjanovpino|work, I can do it but I have no time right now - I will have some for sure in a release time14:53
SergeyLukjanovnow I prefer to focus on release itself ;)14:53
pino|workok14:53
SergeyLukjanovI will try to find some time soon14:54
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SergeyLukjanov5 mins left14:55
pino|workok, thank you, SergeyLukjanov14:55
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crobertsrhNothing from me14:57
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SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting14:57
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elmikothanks SergeyLukjanov !14:57
SergeyLukjanovthanks folks!14:57
Nikolay_Stbye14:57
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elmikoany api-wg folks here?16:06
dtroyerI came late-ish...16:07
elmikocdent and i were just talking about if we are having a meeting today16:07
elmikoi don't see etoews though16:07
* ryansb 16:07
cdentI reckon skip16:08
ryansb+116:08
ryansbno agenda to speak of16:08
elmikothat's easy enough =)16:08
cdent\o/16:08
elmikoif anyone wants a nice review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169415/ <shameless plug>16:08
ryansbnoted, elmiko16:10
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: igordcard ivar-lazzaro banix yamahata nbouthors Yi_: hi18:00
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mageshgvhi18:00
banixhi18:00
yamahatahello18:00
igordcardhello18:00
SumitNaiksatamyapeng: hi18:00
yapenghello18:00
SumitNaiksatamwaiting for rkukura18:00
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rkukurahi18:00
SumitNaiksatamah there he is, rkukura: hi18:00
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  9 18:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_9th.2C_201518:01
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Yi_hi18:01
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SumitNaiksatamstarting with the standing items18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Bugs18:02
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SumitNaiksatamwe fixed one of the two critical bugs18:02
SumitNaiksatam(waiting for backport on https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 to merge)18:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk)18:03
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i believe you have a suggestion on doing an upgrade for: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/18:04
SumitNaiksatamupgrade in the DB migration18:04
rkukurayes, we really need to start doing proper DB migrations on both the master and stable branches18:04
rkukuranormally these wouldn’t be allowed on the stable branch, but as long as we can keep the master and stable branches equivalent, I think we’ll be able to get away with it18:05
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: so in this case your suggestion is to explicitly drop the foreign key constraint?18:05
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SumitNaiksatamin a separate migration script18:06
rkukurasince we are not trying to support trunk-chasers on master, I think it would be OK to insert migrations that will be back-ported before those that won’t on master18:06
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:06
rkukuraI was trying to track down an example of a migration script that uses alembic introspection to remove existing unnamed constraints18:07
rkukurabut got interrupted18:07
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: was just asking that18:07
rkukuraI’ll add the link to the review when I find it18:07
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ok thanks18:07
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: does that sound reasonable?18:07
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ivar-lazzarorkukura: SumitNaiksatam: I think we should remove unnamed constraints with brute force in both master and juno if we realistically can18:08
rkukuraivar-lazzaro: why?18:08
ivar-lazzaroof course it's a no go if we are planning on supporting backward compatibility18:08
ivar-lazzarobecause unnamed constraints are DB specific18:08
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ivar-lazzaroand they are harder to remove with proper migration afterwards18:08
rkukuraivar-lazzaro: there is a reasonable db-indepent way to deal with them in migrations18:09
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ivar-lazzarorkukura: I think Magesh had proposed one some time ago in a patch, but then we decided to just remove the constraint from the original migration script18:09
rkukuraMy belief is we cannot ever modify existing migrations - we need to start doing proper migrations, so we’d need new migrations to remove names from the old ones18:10
ivar-lazzarorkukura: so if we are going that way lets make sure we fix that too, or the compatibility will be broken regardless18:10
rkukuranow that there can be users of packages out there, we cannot have deployments break when someone does a “yum update”18:10
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SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: on that particular one we can perhaps take a pass since we didnt hear back from anyone ;-)18:11
rkukurawe haven’t updated any packages yet18:11
ivar-lazzarorkukura: I agree in general, I was just making the consideration based on our claim based on whether we want to support Juno backward compatibility or not18:11
ivar-lazzarorkukura: if so, then your solution is probably the one that makes more sense18:12
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ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: yeah but that's something we may need to revert if we decide on doing proper migrations18:12
rkukuraI’m OK with adding features on stable/juno if needed, and adding DB migrations, but we need to make sure we don’t break deployments that update18:12
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: agree18:12
rkukuraSo we are not promising strict backward compatibility18:12
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: agreed we can correct that as well, we consider it necessary18:13
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SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: we have to see the time line as to when we generated the packages and if that fix went in before or after that18:13
rkukuraalso, reordering migrations, if needed, is a lot easier now that we don’t need to support downgrades18:13
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:14
SumitNaiksatamthe other critical bug is regarding kilo sync18:14
SumitNaiksatam#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/143353018:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1433530 in Group Based Policy "GBP Kilo release should be in sync with Neutron Kilo" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv)18:14
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/16537718:14
SumitNaiksatami know magesh has been hard at work on this18:14
ivar-lazzaroOK, if there's a db independent way of dealing with unnamed constraints I'm all for it then18:14
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: you want to provide an update?18:15
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: The code changes are complete and UTs and devstack work fine now18:16
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mageshgvThe only issue open now is with the experimental gate job18:16
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: yeah18:16
SumitNaiksatamwe are seeing this” /opt/stack/new/group-based-policy/gbpservice/tests/contrib/post_test_hook.sh: line 14: .tox/dsvm-functional/bin/subunit-1to2: No such file or directory"18:16
rkukuraivar-lazzaro: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116122/23/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/2d2a8a565438_hierarchical_binding.py18:17
SumitNaiksatamand we are able to reproduce this in our local environments18:17
mageshgv#link http://logs.openstack.org/77/165377/20/experimental/check-group-based-policy-dsvm-functional/386cfc4/console.html18:17
ivar-lazzarorkukura: thx!18:17
SumitNaiksatamthe expectation is that python-subunit should install the subunit-1to2 binary18:18
SumitNaiksatamhowever its not there18:18
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: any more insight after we last chatted?18:18
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: Unfortunately I couldnt get any clue after this18:19
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: okay18:19
SumitNaiksatamif anyone else has ideas please let us know, at this point we seem to have a bit of a wall on this one18:19
SumitNaiksatamthe same job used to work fine earlier18:20
SumitNaiksatamany other bugs that we need to discuss?18:20
SumitNaiksatam#topic Functional/integration tests18:21
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SumitNaiksatamnot much update here from me18:21
SumitNaiksatami was trying to adapt jishnu’s package as functional tests in our repo18:22
SumitNaiksatamhowever, its quite a bit of changes, so i am working on that, but currently its on the back burner18:22
SumitNaiksatam#topic Packaging Update18:22
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything to discuss?18:23
rkukuraUpdating the fedora packages to the latest stable/juno release is still on my list18:23
rkukuraAt this point, should I wait for a new stable release?18:23
rkukuraAlso, I haven’t checked if there are any problematic DB schema changes in the most recent stable release - if there are, we may need to add proper migrations18:24
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i think, backport to stable is a separate agenda item, lets make a call on that during that discussion18:25
rkukuraok18:25
SumitNaiksatammay be lets just discuss that right now :-)18:25
SumitNaiksatam#topic Backport changes to stable branch18:25
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SumitNaiksatamwe had a bit of this discussion already18:25
SumitNaiksatambut there is a biggere requirement now18:26
SumitNaiksatamthere is are users who want are deploying Juno but want to use some of the GBP kilo features18:26
SumitNaiksatamso the proposal on the table is to backport changes we are making in kilo back to stable/juno beyond just the critical bug fixes18:27
SumitNaiksatamthoughts?18:27
SumitNaiksatamwe will obviously not backport the kilo sync related functionality18:28
rkukuraSo normally, API changes, config changes, and DB schema changes are not back-ported to OpenStack stable branches, but I’m OK with relaxing this since our goal at this point is to get this out there an iterate18:28
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay, agree18:28
SumitNaiksatamare there any concerns or objections from anyone else in the team on this?18:29
rkukuraIf we decide to do this, we need to make sure users of juno fedora, RDO, ubuntu, whatever packages don’t become too annoyed18:30
rkukuraI think adding features or even changing features would be acceptable for early adopters, but we need to avoid blatently breaking deployments18:30
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: agree18:30
SumitNaiksatamand by avoid breaking, you mean do the proper migrations?18:31
SumitNaiksatamDB migrations18:31
rkukuraproper migrations are required, and changes to config need careful thought18:31
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:32
SumitNaiksatamwe need to discuss whether we want to back port the Neutron REST API refactor as well, or leave it in Juno18:32
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: back-porting that would require some effort since new config info would be needed18:33
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: correct18:33
Yi_SumitNaiksatam: you meant to leave it in Kilo?18:34
SumitNaiksatamhowever not backporting it might introduce significant complexity for merging future backports18:34
SumitNaiksatamYi_: sorry, yeah i meant leave in in Kilo18:34
SumitNaiksatamthere is another option, we can move the Neutron REST API refactor changes to a feature branch18:36
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rkukuraIs there any way we could merge all kilo features and backport them before merging the switchover to REST?18:36
rkukuraWe should be treating this relaxation of the stable rules as a very tempoary windoqw18:37
rkukurawindow18:37
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: we have already merged some of the refactor patches18:37
SumitNaiksatamonly one remains18:37
rkukuraI thought the ones we merged were additions rather than changing the existing code18:38
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: that is also true18:38
rkukuraSo we can just avoid back-porting the addtions18:38
SumitNaiksatami was thinking that if we create a separate feature branch, then we can merge the changes right away18:38
SumitNaiksatamand then keep rebasing that branch with the changes in the master18:38
rkukuraA feature branch for the REST switchover?18:39
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah18:39
SumitNaiksatamthere might be some effort needed to keep the feature branch in sync with the master18:39
rkukuraThat might be a good idea anyway, since there is some risk that REST calls within a single server could be problematic18:39
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah, and i was thinking we can them move these changes back to master, when we are creating the independent server (which we might not get to in the kilo time frame)18:40
rkukuraBut how many kilo features do we want to back-port, and are these (almost) ready?18:40
yapengIf we consider feature branch approach, would gbp wsgi server change and database change belong to this branch as well?18:40
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: no they are not ready, since this is kind of user driven, so difficult to predict where we would draw the line on this18:40
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: although i completely agree with you that we should be conservative18:41
SumitNaiksatamand draw the line sooner than later18:41
SumitNaiksatamanyone else has thoughts on this?18:42
SumitNaiksatamperhaps needs more thought, so lets take this offline18:42
SumitNaiksatam#topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs18:42
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15685618:42
SumitNaiksatamYi_: over to you18:42
Yi_I just uploaded one update18:43
SumitNaiksatami noticed you discovered some related issues and were trying to fix those18:43
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SumitNaiksatamYi_: ah nice18:43
Yi_previous one breaking the test cases that were introduced in  bug/143277918:43
Yi_but Ivar helped me on this18:44
SumitNaiksatamgreat18:44
Yi_and I was able to verify the latest code fix the issue on my own machine18:44
SumitNaiksatamnice18:44
Yi_so it should be good for review now18:44
ivar-lazzaroHaving switched to Neutron REST APIs, we had to merge Neutron's policy.json with ours for UTs18:45
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: oh okay18:45
ivar-lazzaroat least the important parts (get on shared resources)18:45
SumitNaiksatamseems a little counter intuitve to me18:45
SumitNaiksatambut i might be missing something18:46
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ivar-lazzaroExternal Segments creation was trying to retrieve the corresponding external subnet18:46
ivar-lazzaroin some UTs, the latter was a shared subnet owned by a different tenant18:46
ivar-lazzarowhen using neutron plugin directly, this would work without a problem18:47
ivar-lazzarobut with WSGI calls, the policy.json filter would block the call given that the requesting tenant was different from the resource owner, returning a 40418:47
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: so are these changes to the policy.json in sync with what is in neutron’s policy.json or do they change some of those definitions?18:48
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ivar-lazzarothe change is only in the test-policy.json we load for UTs18:48
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay, thats good18:48
SumitNaiksatamwe are short on time and i would really like to cover the next item18:49
SumitNaiksatamYi_: ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update18:49
Yi_my pleasure18:49
SumitNaiksatam#topic Floating IP Support18:49
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/15729818:49
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: you had sent out an email earlier to some folks in the team regarding changes you need to make to support this on Juno18:50
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: did you hear back from anyone?18:50
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: I havent heard back from anyone, may be we can discuss it now ?18:50
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: yes please summarize the approach that you need to take18:51
mageshgvIn Juno, Neutron does not allow us to specify the floating IP Address that we wish to use for a particular floating IP resource.18:52
mageshgvThe address allocation is completely managed by Neutron in Juno.18:52
mageshgvSo, if we want to backport this Floating IP support to Juno, we cannot use Nat Pool to allocate a floating IP from (we cannot force a floating IP to be created from this particular allocation pool)18:54
mageshgvSo, the only option to support this in Juno is to have Floating IP allocation to be linked to the External Segment rather than a Nat Pool18:55
ivar-lazzaromageshgv: what if we forced the nat pool to be equal to the ES subnet?18:55
ivar-lazzaromageshgv: would that be easier to upgrade to the right model in Kilo?18:55
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: how do you envisioning enforcing this?18:56
SumitNaiksatama validation check when creating the nat pool?18:56
SumitNaiksatamthat can be removed later?18:56
ivar-lazzaromageshgv: whenever a NAT-Pool is linked to the external segment we validate that the pool coincides with the ES subnet18:56
mageshgvivar-lazzaro: that would work, but then we will be limiting our Nat Pool resource and it is going to be a duplicate of ES subnet ?18:56
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: ^^^18:56
ivar-lazzaromageshgv: yes, but it should be easier when you upgrade from Juno to Kilo18:57
ivar-lazzaromageshgv: and you can keep using your nat pools as they are, and eventually modify them18:57
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: do we know of a real use case which we need to support where the nat pools are different from the ES subnet?18:58
mageshgvivar-lazzaro: Sounds good from a workflow perspective18:58
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: the ES subnet may not be externally visible18:59
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: while FIPs usually are18:59
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: FIPs need not be externally visible too18:59
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: yeah true18:59
SumitNaiksatamokay i need to bring up one more item before we end today18:59
SumitNaiksatamsorry for rushing19:00
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: thanks for the update (lets close offline)19:00
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion19:00
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SumitNaiksatamregarding the Vancouver summit, we have been asked if we would like to have design summit session slots19:00
SumitNaiksatamthe option is to have fishbowl sessions and/or workrooms19:01
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SumitNaiksatamsee this #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054122.html for more details on the difference between the two19:01
SumitNaiksatamthe current thinking seems to be to ask for workrooms19:01
SumitNaiksatamplease let me know your thoughts at the earliest19:01
SumitNaiksatamwe need to decide what kind of rooms we want and how many19:02
SumitNaiksatambtw, design summit sessions are only for OpenStack projects19:02
rkukurathe email says workrooms hold 20-40 people19:02
SumitNaiksatamsince our project proposal is in the pipeline, we have been offered this opportunity (to set things into context)19:02
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah19:03
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ivar-lazzarorkukura: seems good19:03
SumitNaiksatamanything else anyone want to bring up?19:04
igordcardWhen is the service chain refactoring spec arriving to -specs?19:04
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: good question :-)19:04
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi was taking the lead on this19:04
SumitNaiksatambut he is on PTO, and is planning to put it in as soon as he gets back19:05
igordcardokay19:05
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SumitNaiksatammeanwhile we can continue the discussion and if there is consenus start the implementation19:05
SumitNaiksatamas a first iteration19:05
SumitNaiksatamwe are five minutes over19:05
SumitNaiksatamthanks all for your time today!19:05
SumitNaiksatambye!19:05
igordcardcya19:05
banixbye19:05
mageshgvbye19:05
yapengbye19:06
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SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting19:06
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mattgriffinhi HA Guide team!21:00
mattgriffinmegm, i think we're the only ones here today21:00
megmHi, Matt!  Is noone else going to join us?21:01
mattgriffinmegm, i think we're all alone today21:01
mattgriffin#startmeeting HA-Guide21:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  9 21:02:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide'21:02
megmSo is there anything worth discussing?  I was looking forward to Nick's report about his discussion with Bogdan...21:02
mattgriffinmegm, i have a few agenda items at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting21:02
mattgriffinwe can skip the first two21:02
mattgriffinand jump to 3. ok?21:03
megmOk by me21:03
mattgriffin#topic add priorities21:03
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mattgriffini reviewed Sam-I-Am's priorities and I'm +1. they look good enough to get started21:04
mattgriffin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC21:04
megmI sent email with a couple of concerns but got no response21:04
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mattgriffinmegm, what problems did you see?21:05
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nickchasehey, all, sorry I'm late.21:05
mattgriffinhey nickchase21:05
megmI was concerned that MySQL, RabbitMQ, and Keystone are not priority 1 -- if we agree that priority 1-3 must be done to proceed, that's not an issue21:06
megmHi, nickchase!21:06
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mattgriffinwe were discussing the priorities that Sam-I-Am added to the TOC - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting21:06
mattgriffinnickchase, ^21:06
mattgriffinmegm, good point21:06
mattgriffinneed to get that clarified21:07
* nickchase is having trouble finding the TOC....21:07
megmhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC21:08
nickchasethx21:08
megmAlso not sure why Swift, Glance, and Cinder are prios 4,5,6 respectively and not the same priority, but that may just be because mentally I group them together under "storage"21:09
megmAnd Nova compute (which includes ephemeral storage, I suppose) is Priority 621:09
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mattgriffinkeep in mind that you need to do more than P1 in order to get to HA... maybe "Priority" is the wrong word. more like step21:10
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mattgriffinmaybe that was Sam-I-Am's thinking21:10
mattgriffinabout not making P2s actually P121:11
megmYes, it looks like sam-i-am was heavily thinking of the order in which things should be written, and some of the priorities are not 1 because they have dependencies on other pieces21:11
mattgriffinah21:11
megmAs I say, I just have questions -- wanted to make sure these made sense to everyone else21:11
mattgriffinack21:11
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megmI'm hoping we'll have some parallel development here21:12
mattgriffinmegm, do you think your concerns would prevent us from moving forward?21:12
mattgriffin3 steps forward, 1 step back21:12
mattgriffinmore like21:12
nickchaselong as it's not 1 step forward, 3 steps back....21:12
megmNo, definitely nothing to stop us from moving forward21:12
mattgriffinheh21:12
mattgriffincool21:13
mattgriffinlet's hit the first two items on the agenda and get updates from nickchase21:13
megmIt clarifies that Heat, Ceilometer, Trove, and Sahara are a little bit deferred21:13
mattgriffin:)21:13
mattgriffin#agenda items21:13
megmYes, I want to hear from nick!21:13
mattgriffin#topic agenda items21:13
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mattgriffin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting21:13
mattgriffinnickchase, ^21:13
nickchaseWell, I think that we're probably good; I'm trying really hard to meet with Bogdan to finalize but we've been playing meeting tag for 2 weeks. :(21:14
nickchaseSo here's my feeling:21:14
nickchaseI think that we are probably good to start while we get the spec approved -- I'm trying to go ahead and get it set up so taht Bogdan can simply approve or leave comments.  The big question is...21:15
nickchasehow to get content while we're waiting for the spec approval, since Andreas is insisting on one before we start.21:15
nickchase(I did get the initial framework in, but Andreas -2'd it because we don't have a spec.)21:16
mattgriffinnickchase, where's the spec process documented?21:17
megmSo what exactly is required to get a spec?  I thought the doc that the blueprint points to made a good spec21:17
nickchaseI was actually about to ask that. :)21:17
nickchaseI'm looking for it right now.21:17
mattgriffinheh... i think i saw an email from Anne about it recently21:17
nickchaselet me just ask her21:18
mattgriffinok21:18
nickchaseok, she's not onlne21:18
megmApril 6 mail21:18
nickchaseah, great.21:18
megmNo, those links are about PTL21:19
mattgriffinhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-April/006218.html ?21:19
mattgriffindoh21:19
megmJust this sentence:  Please write a spec and link it to a blueprint, get that spec and blueprint approved before proposing the patch.21:19
megmWe have a blue print that points to the spec...21:20
megmWe may need to put the spec under git -- does that mean code it in RST?21:20
mattgriffinhere's andreas' $0.02 - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-April/006220.html21:20
nickchaseDo we have a blueprint?21:22
nickchase(nm, I see that (doh))21:23
mattgriffinplease link21:23
mattgriffinnickchase, ^21:23
nickchasecan't find it21:23
nickchase(the spec)21:24
mattgriffinnickchase, is it in launchpad or git.openstack.org?21:24
mattgriffinthe spec, that is21:24
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nickchaseI'm looking for it in luanchpad and not finding it21:25
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megm_nick, what is "it" that you seek in lp?21:26
megm_blueprint at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide21:28
nickchasethat is, indeed, the "it".21:29
nickchasethank you.21:29
mattgriffin:21:29
mattgriffin:)21:29
mattgriffincool. let's go from there...21:29
megm_I'm adding the bp link to the "spec"21:30
mattgriffinso based on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Blueprints_and_Specs, is Docs using "Spec + Blueprints" or "Blueprints only?"21:30
nickchaseWe've been "Blueprints only" but I think they're pushing towards "Spec + Blueprints".21:30
mattgriffinmegm_, thnaks21:31
megm_Should we revise/update the BP text21:31
megm_?21:31
nickchaseI think that they're looking for a spec in git that's been approved.21:31
megm_More than networking has changed, we want to leverage the new work being done for install-guide and network-guide21:32
mattgriffinmegm_, yes. we should update the description of the LP BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide21:33
mattgriffinmegm_, the "Strategy and assumptions" content should work21:33
mattgriffinfrom the TOC doc21:33
megm_Add that to the BP?  Sounds like a plan -- compress the exchange about A/A and A/P into a statement of what we are doing...21:34
mattgriffinmegm_, please21:35
megm_editing now21:35
nickchaseI don't think they're going to be satisfied with that.21:35
nickchaseI think we are going to have to add the whole TOC in there.21:35
mattgriffinnickchase, megm_ i can write up a spec according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Blueprints_and_Specs21:35
mattgriffinin "Spec + Blueprints lifecycle"21:35
nickchaseGreat.21:35
mattgriffin#action megm_ update the Launchpad BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide21:36
megm_action: done, I think.21:36
mattgriffin#action mattgriffin write a spec according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Spec_.2B_Blueprints_lifecycle21:36
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nickchasegreat21:37
megm_Terrific!21:37
mattgriffinok. so nickchase : do we still need the two action items for you at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting?21:37
nickchaseas soon as you have it, fi yuc ould let me know so I can push Bogdan to approve it that would be great.21:37
mattgriffinnickchase, ok21:38
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mattgriffini had another item on the agenda... just to get you thinking about what's next...21:38
mattgriffinplease take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps and add your thoughts on how we should proceed after everything is approved and we are ready to write21:39
megm_ Should the spec mention repos?  And, if is going public, perhaps a brief word about what the priority markers mean?21:39
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mattgriffinmegm_, not sure21:40
mattgriffinre: repos21:40
mattgriffini'll include a bit about the priorities (and that they might change or move in parallel as we get into things)21:40
megm_How about "emphasize P1-3"?  That gets us around the MySQL/Keystone/RabbitMQ issues21:40
mattgriffinfair enough21:41
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megm_This gives no statement about existing material that needs to be updated...  Earlier discussions said that would also be P121:41
mattgriffinmegm_, this = the pad?21:42
megm_Is there a way to start the push for Ceilometer/MongoDB, Sahara, Trove, etc to get HA info into their docs?21:42
megm_Yes, the epad spec with priorities...21:42
megm_One approach is to just convert that doc, put it in the right place, and mark it as not updated...  It preserves text without distracting us from the main plan21:43
megm_But would it fly?21:43
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megm_Do we have a plan for testing the content after it is written?21:45
mattgriffinmegm_, i think that would work. the etherpad was just a scratch pad for discussion on how we see the needed activities to be completed ... if we agree that after the spec is approved that we start writing according to the Priorities then we're good21:46
mattgriffinmegm_, re: testing, not sure how that's done... nickchase?21:46
mattgriffinmegm_, testing that it's formatted correctly or assessing the content itself?21:47
megm_Testing this doc is a non-trivial enterprise...  To ensure that, at each step, the preliminary information has been covered, et cetera21:47
megm_Maybe put it as a blocker for now?  Without testing, we have a good theoretical doc that may still be valuable...21:47
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mattgriffinmegm_, yes. should look into what other Docs teams do and use reviews21:48
mattgriffinok. i think that's all for now. anything else?21:49
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mattgriffinaction items will be in the meeting minutes soon to be available on the wiki21:50
mattgriffinif there's nothing else i'm going to end the meeting...21:50
megm_I just mucked with your CRUDE PROECT PLAN21:50
mattgriffinmegm_, cool :)21:50
megm_Delete/fix as you like21:50
mattgriffinah excellent21:51
mattgriffinthanks21:51
mattgriffinok. bye megm_ , nickchase21:51
nickchasesorry, got called away for a moment21:51
mattgriffinnickchase, hi21:51
nickchasebye guys21:51
nickchasethanks21:51
megm_I may muck some more...  But I'm good with ending the meeting21:51
mattgriffin#endmeeting21:51
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megm_bye21:51
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