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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 05:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 05:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:00 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 05:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 05:00 |
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| NobodyCam | o/ | 05:00 |
| naohirot | o/ | 05:00 |
| ramineni | o/ | 05:00 |
| devananda | good morning/afternoon/evening/night ! | 05:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 05:00 |
| devananda | our agenda for today (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic) is surprisingly empty ... | 05:01 |
| BadCub | o/ | 05:01 |
| NobodyCam | light agenda today! | 05:01 |
| devananda | I have two topics to cover, though, which could take up the whole meeting :) | 05:01 |
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| devananda | #topic Kilo RC status | 05:02 |
| mrda | o/ | 05:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo RC status (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:02 | |
| devananda | #undo | 05:02 |
| pshige | o/ | 05:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x8c27510> | 05:02 |
| devananda | actually - I'm going to give folks more time to show up | 05:02 |
| devananda | we're really light right now | 05:02 |
| * NobodyCam runs to grab soda in the lull | 05:03 | |
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| devananda | fwiw, my two topics: kilo rc statuss & release notes; summit planning | 05:03 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 05:04 |
| devananda | rameshg87, wanyen: glad you two could make it :) | 05:04 |
| wanyen | :) | 05:04 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: it's 10.30 am for me :) | 05:05 |
| * rameshg87 cannot have a reason for not attending :D | 05:05 | |
| devananda | heh | 05:05 |
| pshige | :) | 05:05 |
| devananda | it's 10pm here | 05:05 |
| rameshg87 | oh :( | 05:05 |
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| devananda | which makes it 1am for Shrews and TheJulia ... (you two should be asleep! don't answer this :) ) | 05:05 |
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| devananda | ok - let's get started | 05:06 |
| devananda | cinerama: ohhai! | 05:06 |
| cinerama | devananda: hi! | 05:06 |
| devananda | #topic Kilo release status | 05:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo release status (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:06 | |
| devananda | first off, we've published an RC2 build last week | 05:06 |
| devananda | please please go test it | 05:06 |
| devananda | and if you find any huge bugs, please tag them "kilo-rc-potential" so they show up here | 05:07 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 05:07 |
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| devananda | oops | 05:07 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 05:07 |
| devananda | we've had two get tagged. i dont think either one is wort ha backport though | 05:08 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1384379 | 05:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1384379 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "versions resource uses host_url which may be incorrect" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 05:08 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1448103 | 05:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1448103 in Ironic "disabling erase_devices clean_step in agent_ilo driver doesn't work" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 05:08 |
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| devananda | wanyen: I dont see anusha here, but can you speak to why that bug fix was proposed to stable/kilo? | 05:08 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: and i think #1 doesn't have a fix in ironic yet | 05:08 |
| devananda | rameshg87: yea, I haven't seen any code up for it | 05:09 |
| ramineni | devananda: anusha here :) | 05:09 |
| ramineni | devananda: thought it is required for backporting | 05:09 |
| devananda | ramineni: ohhai! | 05:10 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: because of #2 bug, disk erase cannot be disabled for agent_ilo driver if cleaning is enabled | 05:10 |
| devananda | is there a case you want cleaning enabled but NOT to run disk erase step? | 05:10 |
| ramineni | devananda: And as teh clean step 'erase_devcies' takes lot of time, | 05:10 |
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| ramineni | devananda: so, it is important to be disabled , if user doesnt want it | 05:11 |
| devananda | ramineni: which "user" ? | 05:11 |
| devananda | you mean operator, right? | 05:11 |
| ramineni | devananda: yes | 05:11 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: may be a single tenant environment ? idk. may be people won't care about erasing disks | 05:11 |
| rameshg87 | ?? | 05:11 |
| devananda | ok - so there is already a flag to disable cleaning | 05:11 |
| devananda | why would someone want to do cleaning but NOT do disk erase? | 05:11 |
| ramineni | devananda: yes, there is | 05:12 |
| wanyen | devanand, admin may want other cleaning steps but want to disable disk erase only. | 05:12 |
| stendulker | devananda: Disk erase being very time-consuming, operator may not do it very frequently | 05:13 |
| devananda | hm. i'm not thrilled that this is a driver-specific option, but I see the need for the fix, and it's pretty simple | 05:14 |
| devananda | thanks for explaining. seems OK to me | 05:14 |
| ramineni | devananda: thanks | 05:14 |
| devananda | any volunteers t owork on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1384379 ? | 05:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1384379 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "versions resource uses host_url which may be incorrect" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 05:15 |
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| rameshg87 | shih <tab> ??? | 05:15 |
| devananda | if no one's working on a fix, we shouldn't target it to kilo ... | 05:15 |
| wanyen | I thought disabling disk erase is generic not ilo driver specific. | 05:16 |
| devananda | wanyen: the CONF option is defined in ilo driver | 05:16 |
| devananda | "if CONF.ilo.clean_priority_erase_devices is not None:" | 05:16 |
| ramineni | wanyen: there is an option for agent driver and one for ilo driver | 05:16 |
| wanyen | I see. But I thought IPA allow disk erase to be disabled as well. | 05:17 |
| ramineni | wanyen: yes , through agent.agent_erase_devices_priority=<None> | 05:17 |
| devananda | ok, BadCub, can you track that host_url bug ^ and if we don thave someone working on it by EOD tomorrow, let's untarget it | 05:17 |
| ramineni | wanyen: have a seprate option for that as well | 05:18 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: i will try to see if something is possible https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1384379 and will have an update when you come back tomorrow | 05:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1384379 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "versions resource uses host_url which may be incorrect" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 05:18 |
| devananda | rameshg87: great. thanks! | 05:18 |
| BadCub | devananda: got it | 05:18 |
| devananda | rameshg87: pls assign bug to yourself in LP | 05:18 |
| BadCub | devananda: doesn't look like it is targeted at this point | 05:19 |
| devananda | any other questions re: Kilo release before I move on? | 05:19 |
| devananda | BadCub: no, but it has kilo-rc-potential tag | 05:19 |
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| * rameshg87 did it | 05:19 | |
| NobodyCam | shouldn't https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177213 have a conf file update too | 05:19 |
| BadCub | yep, see that | 05:19 |
| ramineni | NobodyCam: why? | 05:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: nope. the option was added in previous patches. it just wasn't *used* propertly | 05:20 |
| devananda | #topic Liberty summit planning | 05:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty summit planning (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:20 | |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 05:20 |
| devananda | we've gathered ideas up there ^ | 05:21 |
| devananda | and I've collated them into a draft of our schedule, at the top | 05:21 |
| devananda | please take a look | 05:21 |
| devananda | also, please discuss items inline below, and if you have other topics, you can still add them to the 'pad | 05:21 |
| * rameshg87 wonders if everyone is on etherpad | 05:25 | |
| * devananda thinks so | 05:26 | |
| NobodyCam | yep | 05:26 |
| stendulker | devananda: Have added one item :) | 05:26 |
| pshige | I am on etherpad | 05:26 |
| * mrda thinks we've got a lot to discuss at summit | 05:26 | |
| devananda | stendulker: where? | 05:26 |
| stendulker | devananda: in etherpad | 05:27 |
| devananda | oh, got it | 05:27 |
| stendulker | devananda: ok :) | 05:27 |
| devananda | for the two fishbowl sessions -- these are the large ~200 person rooms | 05:28 |
| devananda | my goal there is to present the most important changes & objectives, and gather feedback from the wider audience | 05:28 |
| pshige | are the any special IRC meeting held where we discuss items ? | 05:29 |
| devananda | I'm currently thinking that its worth discussing the driver composition & support issue in that context | 05:29 |
| wanyen | devananda, cinder integration and networking will not be discussed at Ironic sessions? | 05:29 |
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| devananda | but open to ohter ideas, too, if someone thinks another topic is better suited to that slot | 05:29 |
| devananda | wanyen: that's my hope, because each of those projects will have a session fo rus | 05:29 |
| wanyen | devananda, cinder integration and networking issues will not be discussed at the ironic sessions? | 05:30 |
| rameshg87 | oh. that's great. | 05:30 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: do we know if all 200 seats will be dev's, or will there be other folk there too ie sales, etc | 05:30 |
| wanyen | devananda, I see. | 05:30 |
| devananda | I've already gotten the ok from mestery re: neutron session for us to discuss ml2 gateway plugin | 05:31 |
| devananda | and the track in cinder seems to be on their radar as well | 05:31 |
| devananda | ditto for a nova session on clustered hypervisors | 05:31 |
| devananda | oh! that's not on our 'pad | 05:31 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: line 281 | 05:32 |
| wanyen | devananda, are there any session with operators to gather input? | 05:32 |
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| devananda | wanyen: yes. the ops summit is hte place for that | 05:33 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: we don't really control who's in the room, but the goal is for it to be ATC's only | 05:34 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ahh ok Ty :) | 05:34 |
| devananda | the smaller rooms should be "just us devs" but the 2 fishbowls will probably attract a lot of others | 05:34 |
| * devananda adds "HA Nova compute nodes / Clustered Hypervisor Support [discuss in Nova track]" section to the 'pad | 05:35 | |
| devananda | NobodyCam: oh, thta's definitely not a topic for the fishbowl | 05:35 |
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| devananda | only a handfull of people understand nova's code well enough to reason about how to fix it. it'll be a working session between some nova-cores and some ironic-cores | 05:36 |
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| devananda | pshige: not sure what you mean by "special IRC meeting" | 05:38 |
| pshige | 2nd meeting of SPEC Core, or something | 05:38 |
| devananda | pshige: you mean related to summit schedule? | 05:39 |
| pshige | yes | 05:39 |
| devananda | nothing planned, aside from this | 05:39 |
| devananda | we could certainly have one | 05:39 |
| devananda | anyone want a separat emeeting to discuss the schedule before next monday? | 05:40 |
| NobodyCam | we could | 05:41 |
| * devananda wonders if everyone's asleep, or just busy reading the 'pad | 05:41 | |
| * mrda thinks it looks pretty good already | 05:41 | |
| devananda | mrda: :) | 05:41 |
| * rameshg87 thinks one week summit is not enough | 05:41 | |
| mrda | rameshg87: +1 | 05:41 |
| devananda | rameshg87: indeed | 05:42 |
| pshige | rameshg87: +1 | 05:42 |
| devananda | also, I'm dead after a week of this already ... | 05:42 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: are we into next topic ? | 05:42 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: i wanted to share some updates on proliant ci | 05:43 |
| devananda | I think we're done with this topic | 05:43 |
| devananda | rameshg87: oh! ok. I was skipping driver updates today, but if you'd like | 05:43 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: okay. i will just go ahead with mine | 05:43 |
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| devananda | #topic open discussion | 05:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:43 | |
| * naohirot I'm interested in proliant ci | 05:43 | |
| rameshg87 | devananda: we have made some changes in devstack and tempest for this - there are about 5 in devstack and 2 in tempest | 05:43 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: i have tested and run ilo drivers with these changes and works fine | 05:44 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: i triggered a sandbox review and it ran - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176253/ | 05:44 |
| rameshg87 | looks for "HP Proliant CI check" | 05:44 |
| rameshg87 | it ran the test (took about 30 mins) - | 05:44 |
| devananda | rameshg87: fyi, the link to artifacts is broken - http://127.0.0.1/53/176253/1/check/iscsi-ilo-bios-ci/6c65f33 | 05:45 |
| devananda | that's clerly not the right IP :) | 05:45 |
| rameshg87 | i am just working on that | 05:45 |
| devananda | but that's awesome | 05:45 |
| rameshg87 | it doesn't have upload logs yet - because i don't have a place to upload logs :( | 05:45 |
| rameshg87 | yes | 05:46 |
| rameshg87 | yet | 05:46 |
| devananda | can you summarize the changes you had to make to devstack & tempest? | 05:46 |
| rameshg87 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IloDriverGateTesting | 05:46 |
| rameshg87 | tempest patches are there in bottom | 05:46 |
| devananda | rameshg87: I hear that your company might run a public cloud ... :) | 05:46 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: yeah just checking internally regarding that :) | 05:47 |
| devananda | cool. lemme know if I can help | 05:47 |
| rameshg87 | sure, thanks | 05:47 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: important thing - i need ironic folks review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174733/ | 05:48 |
| rameshg87 | lib/ironic changes in devstack for enabling ilo drivers for devstack | 05:48 |
| devananda | #info iLO CI system passed a sandbox test, has several patches up to enable the work | 05:49 |
| NobodyCam | lol gota love this error: http://logs.openstack.org/33/174733/6/check/check-grenade-dsvm-neutron/414fa90/logs/error.txt.gz | 05:49 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174733/ | 05:49 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam: yeah needs a recheck ? :) | 05:49 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 05:50 |
| NobodyCam | * ten minutes * | 05:50 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: i will continue working on it. if all internal formalities are complete, we should have it pretty soon. | 05:50 |
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| devananda | rameshg87: fantastic! | 05:51 |
| devananda | anyone have anything else? | 05:51 |
| NobodyCam | not me | 05:52 |
| BadCub | nope | 05:52 |
| pshige | nope | 05:52 |
| Haomeng | devananda: nope | 05:52 |
| devananda | oki doki - I'm happy to give everyone back 7 minutes :) | 05:52 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all! | 05:52 |
| devananda | g'night all! thanks! | 05:52 |
| lintan | bye | 05:52 |
| stendulker | bye | 05:52 |
| cinerama | \o | 05:52 |
| naohirot | good night | 05:52 |
| rameshg87 | goodnight / goodday | 05:52 |
| pshige | devananda: good night | 05:52 |
| Haomeng | good night | 05:52 |
| kan__ | bye | 05:52 |
| NobodyCam | and thank you devananda for all the work ont the summit planning | 05:53 |
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| pshige | bye | 05:53 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 05:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 05:53:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-04-28-05.00.html | 05:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-04-28-05.00.txt | 05:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-04-28-05.00.log.html | 05:53 |
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| thinrichs1 | Hi all. Time for the Congress meeting. | 17:01 |
| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 17:01:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs1 | I'll ping a few of the people that have been active here recently.. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | ping: jwy, alexsyip, stevenldt, | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | ping: pballand | 17:03 |
| alexsyip | Hi | 17:04 |
| thinrichs1 | alexsyip: hi | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs1 | We've had a busy last couple of weeks, and I'm guessing people are catching up with other stuff now that there's a bit of downtime. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs1 | We haven't quite released yet. There are still a couple of tempest test failures that we're checking on. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs1 | But all looks good to hit the April 30 release date. | 17:06 |
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| thinrichs1 | alexsyip: anything to discuss or status update? | 17:07 |
| alexsyip | I’ve been working on the tempest tests. | 17:07 |
| alexsyip | I was also working on syncing rules and policies from the dtabase to the policy engine. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs1 | Great! | 17:09 |
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| alexsyip | I was adding a status API call for rules and policies. | 17:09 |
| alexsyip | So a client can ask if a particular rule or policy is active in the policy engine. | 17:09 |
| alexsyip | I was thinking that we’d want to be able to read that info in the test to differentiate the state in the DB vs the state in the engine. | 17:10 |
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| thinrichs1 | The main use case for that is synchronizing a Congress server (of which there may be several) with a single database recording the desired state of all Congress servers. Right? | 17:10 |
| alexsyip | yes, that’s right. | 17:11 |
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| thinrichs1 | jwy: Any status update? | 17:12 |
| jwy | hi, nope, was working on non-congress stuff last week | 17:13 |
| thinrichs1 | Anyone else have anything to discuss? | 17:14 |
| thinrichs1 | Okay. Let's call it for this week so we can spend the time finishing up the kilo release and getting talks prepared for the summit. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks all! | 17:16 |
| thinrichs1 | #endmeeting | 17:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 17:16:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-04-28-17.01.html | 17:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-04-28-17.01.txt | 17:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-04-28-17.01.log.html | 17:16 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 19:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for the SDK meeting say hi -- i know at least everett is out today | 19:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:02 |
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| briancurtin | the only thing i really have to talk about is two reviews that comprise the common list and get functionality, and in doing them, they should remove find...but i want to make sure i really understand what find is supposed to be since we manufactured the concept on our own, or perhaps took it from somewhere else. it doesnt really solve much that a good get | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | and list do, as far as i know | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178302/ is the list one and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164351/ is the get | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | well, I would expect get to do just an HTTP GET given an id or resource with an id | 19:05 |
| terrylhowe | find is like a search by name | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | together they allow you to list resources either whole or limited by query parameters, and get will either get by an ID or try by a name, because getting things by name has shown to be pretty common. someone just asked about it in -sdks the other day | 19:05 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: but why have two methods when we could have one? | 19:06 |
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| terrylhowe | because I think people expect get to do a GET not some search | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | find was (is?) doing the lookup by id and then by name. get will do the lookup by id at the very least | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: my thinking is that i should be able to say "get me this server" and call a method and get a server. if I have to call get to get something by ID and find to get something by name, i have to branch my code or write it differently based on what i think im getting or how im going to use it | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | just like delete does a DELETE | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | im unconcerned with the HTTP verbs as this is the higher level view | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | at this point it's purely usability on top of that stuff. we don't *have* to stick to get only doing a single GET when we can provide better | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | certainly delete just doing a DELETE makes sense, but we added some minor smarts on top of it to work better programmatically than letting the 404 always kill it | 19:10 |
| terrylhowe | ‘better’ is subjective | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | i guess i dont know what to say then. if there are other approaches to this i'd love to see them | 19:11 |
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| briancurtin | find has always seemed very difficult to do properly in a general case, and the list method working within the confines of its query parameters to provide limited responses, and get working with it to limit to a single resource by name as an alternative to ID is what i end up doing manually every day i've been wokring with this stuff | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | find needs work that is for sure | 19:15 |
| terrylhowe | I think find is a better name than get_by_id_or_name though | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | why not just call it get_x and just get whatever x is? | 19:17 |
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| terrylhowe | we could pull the fields=‘id’ out of there and it would be a get | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | where x would be ‘by_name’ or something? | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | get_server | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | get_server("asdf123-asdfsd-2222") or get_server("my_server") | 19:17 |
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| briancurtin | currently it has that by_name param per another discussion, but i think we can even remove that, or do that another way | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | find_server(“asdf”) | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | but why "find"? | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | that is from osc. I think it is a pretty good verb | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | i think in the end we need two things. one to get one resource, one to get many. we cannot have three. | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | it is searching for a resource | 19:19 |
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| briancurtin | so if i just rename get_resource to find_resource what is it missing? | 19:19 |
| briancurtin | er, in the current review, s/get_server/find_server | 19:19 |
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| briancurtin | it gets by an ID or it will get by a name. ignore the by_name param for now | 19:20 |
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| briancurtin | keep in mind that something has to return exactly one resource, and something else should return multiples (i think we agree list is this one and its fine) | 19:21 |
| briancurtin | it really feels to me that these recent changes to make list more powerful with the query params, and get handling either id or name, takes on what i knew to be teh eventual goal of find | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | oh well, I’ll have to look at stuff | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | i apologize if im coming off a little heated, i guess the timing is getting to me a bit. been thinking about the summit talk and a bunch of other summit stuff as well today while getting that change in | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | I just don’t understand how we satisfy the folks that just want a GET and those who want to search without two methods | 19:27 |
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| terrylhowe | Adding extra parameters to a method to me doesn’t help over having two | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | I hear you on it is getting close to the summit | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | stuff needs to get pulled together and I keep getting pulled onto other projects | 19:28 |
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| briancurtin | so i guess what type of request constitutes a search? my usual thing is finding servers with a prefix in the name, or by flavor, and those are things you can now do with conn.compute.servers(image="the image")...but i often want to do conn.compute.create_server with teh "m1.small" image and i'd like to just plug that in and get exactly it back | 19:30 |
| terrylhowe | search to me is list with some matcher | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | the only thing i don't totally like about having a bunch of methods is that we're special casing something that has an ID versus something that doesn't, and i dont think an application developer should have to worry about that, so covering that difference up is something i'd really like to explore | 19:34 |
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| briancurtin | and i think by get_ handing off that matcher part to list and working just as the way to get one resource that has what you're looking for, i think it does that | 19:35 |
| terrylhowe | well, you kind of had two cases there in that last thing server by prefix was one and flavor by name was the other | 19:35 |
| terrylhowe | flavor by name you expect one result | 19:35 |
| terrylhowe | server by name prefix sounds like something I’d expect to search for and get multi results | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | just like all the servers booted off a particular image | 19:36 |
| briancurtin | and thats what conn.compute.servers(name="blah") or servers(image="particular image") | 19:37 |
| briancurtin | /servers?name=blah is actually a regex, which maybe helps in this discussion - it's often not a regex on other resources | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | for those, you expect multi results | 19:37 |
| briancurtin | but if i did get_server("blah") i would want one, or get_image("particular_image") | 19:38 |
| briancurtin | yes | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | same with find_server(“blah”) | 19:39 |
| briancurtin | in teh case of get_server("blah") it would actually raise because it's a regex and there are multiple. i'd have to properly give the name of one single server or terminate the line if i really meant "blah" | 19:39 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: find_server("blah") is the same as which one? servers or get_server | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | get_server_by_name_or_id(“blah”) | 19:39 |
| briancurtin | i dont understand that | 19:40 |
| terrylhowe | find should return 1 thing | 19:40 |
| briancurtin | so get and find are the same thing/ | 19:40 |
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| terrylhowe | no, one gets by id and the other by id or name | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | that is what is out there now at least | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | im not really concerned with what's out there now, though | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | having two functions that work the same with an id but only one of them accepts a name doesnt seem good | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | i guess i need to look back at find and see what get is not covering for it | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | from a performance perspective it does | 19:42 |
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| briancurtin | the base get just has to go away unless it turns into 100% client side filtering because no two resources accept any of the same parameters | 19:42 |
| briancurtin | base find* | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | if you know you have an id and don’t want to start some search by name | 19:43 |
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| terrylhowe | good reason to have a get that does GET only | 19:43 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: this is what i had commented in the get change, to perhaps try by get first (like current find does) and if it doesnt get you anything, try with self.servers(name="the thing") | 19:43 |
| briancurtin | and that current get could try to only ever do a get, or do a potential follow up by name if necessary, but it can surely only do a get | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | er, by current i mean in the review | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | i think i will try to write up some sample code using what's in review right now to exercise some of what's there and compare it to what we have now and what we're talking about | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | its maybe not the easiest to see in just raw implementation | 19:45 |
| terrylhowe | well, I need to look at the latest. It hasn’t been out since long before this meeting started | 19:46 |
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| terrylhowe | don’t bother with sample code | 19:46 |
| briancurtin | yeah, i had tried a few things but it mostly clicked last night | 19:46 |
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| terrylhowe | 40 some minutes on this, anything else? | 19:48 |
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| briancurtin | haha, not really. get/list/find has been the current roadblock, but im going to jump ahead while the reviews are out and get back to the create one since i had a bunch of followup to adjust from that (plus it will feed into how update is done) | 19:50 |
| briancurtin | anything on your end? | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | another topic that should be just as popular https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155362/ kind of important for plugin development | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | so old, I don’t remember what it even does | 19:52 |
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| terrylhowe | but it was working | 19:52 |
| briancurtin | yeah that's on my list as well, i'll take a look in the next day or so at it | 19:53 |
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| terrylhowe | once we get cleared up on these proxy changes, I’m willing to do some of the boring transformation work | 19:55 |
| terrylhowe | it doesn’t have to be all you on that stuff | 19:55 |
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| briancurtin | cool. at least for delete it was a fairly quick set of changes, but list is a bit more involved | 19:56 |
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| terrylhowe | are we all in disagreement on proxy.create? | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | for some reason, I think you were going to change it to take just **attrs and filter out the id | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | to support clone | 19:59 |
| briancurtin | yeah im going to look back at it, and perhaps start on the update one and see how they will look side-by-side | 19:59 |
| terrylhowe | k | 19:59 |
| briancurtin | i think we filter out the id somewhere within Resource.create anyway, but i'll check it | 20:00 |
| briancurtin | anyways that's time. i'll check out the dynamic one and get moving on this create stuff as well | 20:00 |
| briancurtin | thanks for the chat | 20:00 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, that might be better | 20:00 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 20:00:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-04-28-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-04-28-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-04-28-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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