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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 14:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 14:00 |
| weiting | hi | 14:00 |
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| alazarev | hi | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | hi | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 14:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | is it actual list? | 14:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: the changes on review a still there | 14:02 |
| crobertsrh | A few bug fixes and enhancements I've added, on review of course. | 14:02 |
| crobertsrh | I did talk with the horizon folks..... | 14:02 |
| tmckay | I mean, hi folks :) (wrong window) | 14:02 |
| crobertsrh | They are thinking that for L, a single core +2 combined with enough +1s from us will get a patch merged. | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, it'll be great IMO | 14:03 |
| elmiko | nice | 14:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: that's gread | 14:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | great* | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, and add you to the core team ;) | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | heh | 14:03 |
| elmiko | +1 | 14:04 |
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| kchen | hi all, these days I found the gate-sahara-neutron-direct-spark-aio test always failed, is it a bug? was it resolved now? | 14:04 |
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| elmiko | alazarev linked to a bug patch for that issue, in one of the reviews | 14:04 |
| alazarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187155/ | 14:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:06 | |
| * SergeyLukjanov recovering from the vacation prev. week | 14:06 | |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, any update on Sahara-Ironic integration blog post / patches? | 14:07 |
| crobertsrh | That is what work is for, right? Recovering from vacation? | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, blog post is on review for the blog :( | 14:07 |
| elmiko | i've been researching the improved secret spec more, and also working on a spec for keystone session objects. i have a few questions about the latter, for the group. | 14:07 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, well, review is good! :) Almost done then. | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, we've not yet worked on the patches, we hope to attach volumes using cloud-init | 14:08 |
| alazarev | rewrote heat engine to use ResourceGroup, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186543/ | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | still working with auto-tune hadoop configs, for vanilla ready for review | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177280/ | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm now working on a few specs we were discussing on summit, hopefully will start to publish them soon | 14:08 |
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| tmckay | There are some NetApp guys near me physically, we are going to meet face to face and brainstorm about Sahara/Manila integration. There was a Manila talk at Summit that mentioned Sahara integration, so I followed up with them. I'll let you know how it turns out. | 14:09 |
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| tellesnobrega | i just started working on the multiple clusters change, we need to discuss some issues before i can start implementing | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, cool, looking forward for info | 14:09 |
| tmckay | I am wondering if we can get some security benefits from it (multi-tenancy, file shares scoped to users maybe) and also some file transfer effiiciency (job binaries mounted in the cluster) | 14:10 |
| tmckay | and maybe, hdfs shares (intel wrote a Manila hdfs driver I think) can provide a simple way for users to set up shared libraries for Hadoop and host them in a long-running hdfs share | 14:10 |
| tmckay | that could be linked into multiple clusters. Things like that. | 14:11 |
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| tellesnobrega | tmckay, cool | 14:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, sounds interesting | 14:11 |
| elmiko | can we talk about keystone session objects for a few minutes? | 14:11 |
| weiting | Yes, we did hdfs share in Manila. | 14:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I don't see sreshetnyak and apavlov online now | 14:12 |
| egafford | Working on interface map; pretty much down to tests and review revisions @ this point (client and Horizon changes to follow). | 14:12 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, i'll keep working on the spec. maybe we can talk next week about it | 14:12 |
| tmckay | egafford, I am trying to run against that but I hit a snag with my neutron based stack :( | 14:13 |
| tmckay | but, I am looking at it. Looks good so far | 14:13 |
| weiting | And we can discuss it how to use it in sahara. | 14:13 |
| egafford | tmckay: Interesting; I'm also using Neutron. We should talk. | 14:13 |
| egafford | tmckay: (Also, I'm sure there are bugs yet, as I posted a working happy path WIP without even vaguely adequate testing, and knew it.) | 14:14 |
| tmckay | weiting, certainly | 14:14 |
| tmckay | egafford, ack on WIP, I understand | 14:14 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, are you working on a spec for moving plugins out-of-tree? | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in my list now - resources ACL, extract plugins, extract scenario tests, | 14:18 |
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| tmckay | okay. We talked about that a little more, and what impact multiple versions of plugins supported against multiple versions of Sahara might do to the CI matrix. How do we test it all? Who tests it? | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've got the most powerful jetlag this time after a few days at home :( | 14:18 |
| tmckay | heh | 14:18 |
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| tmckay | but we can ask such questions on review ^^ | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it's one of the most important questions, I'd like to start spec with a basic ideas and grow it to the state it cover all questions | 14:19 |
| elmiko | yea, i would imagine those will be addressed in the spec | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because it's very huge and important thing | 14:19 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so far, I think it could be done be min set of tests vs not all plugins | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for the stable branches | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we don't need to test all plugins, we need to check that api isn't changed | 14:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | probably it's a good time to chat about multiple cluster creation | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, ^^ | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | sure | 14:23 |
| tmckay | okay. Looking forward to the spec :) thanks | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | we need to define a couple things | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | first is to decide if we implement the change on the sahara side or horizon and client side | 14:23 |
| tmckay | tellensnobrega, sorry, what exactly does "multiple cluster creation" mean? I can already create multiple clusters :) | 14:24 |
| crobertsrh | I think I need more details | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | ok | 14:24 |
| crobertsrh | Any feature that we have should eventually be mirrored in the client lib and horizon | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | the idea is to put a field to allow the user to select how many cluster with that configuration he wants to create | 14:25 |
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| tmckay | ah, ok. So it's like pushing the launch button multiple times. We need a naming convention | 14:25 |
| crobertsrh | Is there a real use case for such a feature? | 14:26 |
| alazarev | in nova this is implemented on server side, REST has a field "count", as I understand the proposal is to make the same in Sahara | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | i can think on research labs (like the one i work) | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | alazarev, exactly | 14:26 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, the motivation would be fewer clicks and forms | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | sometime we need to create more than one cluster to process different sets of data and so on | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, and clusters will be exactly the same> | 14:27 |
| tmckay | same image, same ssh key, etc. just a different name | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:27 |
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| crobertsrh | Possible to do this with just a horizon change, if desired. | 14:27 |
| tmckay | I wonder if one big cluster, with multi-tenancy (I know we don't have it) would work as well | 14:27 |
| alazarev | it is easy to implement, the only thing I concirned is use case, I can hardly imagine situation when multiple clusters with the same parameters are needed and this can't be automated via script | 14:28 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i think we might need some sort of job queueing for that though? | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if do on client side - there is an issue how to check quotas | 14:28 |
| weiting | tellesnobrega, how many cluster you would like to create at the same time in your case? | 14:28 |
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| tellesnobrega | that depends, we have different labs that use our cloud, one of them is just analytics stuff, they have lots of students needing clusters there, so sometimes plenty, sometimes 2, most of the times just 1 for sure | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the good news that it's already partially implemented - case when count==1 | 14:30 |
| crobertsrh | very true | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:31 |
| tmckay | :) yay, partly done | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | lol | 14:31 |
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| alazarev | count==0 is implemented too | 14:31 |
| tmckay | alazarev, that was POC | 14:31 |
| egafford | You could make an argument for count==-1 too. | 14:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, -inf as well, yay | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | will we implement for count > 1? | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the last case is count==2 | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm ok with this feature, the only question I have - what's the correct place to do it | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if we'd like to check quotas then we need to do it on server side somewhere after intelligent quotas check | 14:33 |
| tmckay | and do we just add "-N" to the name given to the cluster? | 14:33 |
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| alazarev | tmckay, I think so | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | tmckay, i was thinkinh uuid, but was suggested the -N | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | so the name isn't too big | 14:34 |
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| elmiko | -N is nice so you know they're in a series | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:34 |
| elmiko | uuid could be confusing | 14:34 |
| tmckay | what about network settings? do we want the clusters segregated? Do we need to change neutron settings for that? (not sure) | 14:34 |
| elmiko | good question | 14:35 |
| tmckay | just wondering if anything else on the cluster launch form has to be tweaked besides name | 14:35 |
| tmckay | (well, the cluster JSON really) | 14:35 |
| alazarev | tmckay, it looks like nothing, you can create clusters with the same parameters | 14:36 |
| tellesnobrega | not sure, btu i think the network can keep the same settings for now, if we detect problems we improve it | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | +1 for -N (in the best case impl exactly the same as it done in nova) | 14:37 |
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| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:38 |
| elmiko | sounds like we are assuming that when creating multiple clusters they will all belong to the same keystone project? | 14:38 |
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| egafford | I might suggest that we pad with as many zeros as needed for the last number in the sequence. | 14:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | elmiko, yes | 14:39 |
| tmckay | elmiko, yeah. All within the same tenant. otherwise you're going to have to log out and log in again in the UI. | 14:39 |
| egafford | (So that an alphabetic sort by name will yield the expected order, in case anyone cares.) | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | egafford, like that | 14:39 |
| elmiko | k, just wanted to confirm | 14:39 |
| elmiko | egafford: +1 | 14:39 |
| elmiko | although, i can't imagine needing to pad with more than 1 or *maybe* 2 0's lol | 14:39 |
| elmiko | but, who knows... | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | i think 1 is enough, but 2 would be a safer choice | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | you never know | 14:40 |
| tmckay | you can have up to 1000 clusters with one button push. If you need more, you can push the button again | 14:40 |
| elmiko | yea, 2 for safety | 14:40 |
| elmiko | tmckay: lol! | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | tmckay, +1 | 14:40 |
| egafford | Well, I just figure, okay, you're asking for 10 clusters? 1 x "0". 349? You're crazy, but okay, you get 2 zeros. 400,000? That's ambitious. 5 zeros. | 14:40 |
| elmiko | oh, are you saying dynamically create the padding 0s? | 14:41 |
| egafford | But just padding 2 might be easier, and yeah, it's hard to imagine a case for 100,000 individual clusters. | 14:41 |
| elmiko | sorry, this is serious bike-shedding at this point | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | i'm ok with dynamic as well | 14:42 |
| sreshetnyak | what about API request and response? It's breaks backward compatible with older sahara versions? | 14:42 |
| egafford | elmiko: That was my thought, but auto-padding with a rational number also meets the use case in huge numbers of cases. | 14:42 |
| egafford | True. | 14:42 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: not sure, sounds like it will just be an extra param in the json | 14:42 |
| tmckay | We could use random words from a dictionary, with localization | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | sreshetnyak, if we implement in the sahara side, that might be a point where we need to return a list of clusters | 14:43 |
| elmiko | hey, now that sreshetnyak is here could we talk about keystone sessions for a minute? =) | 14:43 |
| sreshetnyak | elmiko, hi :) | 14:44 |
| elmiko | hey! | 14:44 |
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| tellesnobrega | we need to decide where to implement it, but we can talk later about this | 14:44 |
| elmiko | so, i'm working through the spec for replacing keystone Client with Session based auth. i'm thinking the first step will be to replace our usage of keystone clients, but as a follow up we should replace all the service clients with Session usage. does that make sense? | 14:45 |
| sreshetnyak | elmiko, apavlov wants works on keystone sessions | 14:45 |
| elmiko | cool! | 14:45 |
| sreshetnyak | elmilo, i think you need to talk to him | 14:45 |
| sreshetnyak | apavlov, here? | 14:45 |
| elmiko | oh well, i'll try and send something to the ML | 14:47 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: do you know if he's working on a poc or spec yet? | 14:47 |
| elmiko | also, should i add both of you to the spec as co-assignees? | 14:47 |
| sreshetnyak | elmiko, no, but he wants to start | 14:48 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: ok, i'll have to talk with him | 14:49 |
| elmiko | is he in saratov timezone? | 14:49 |
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| sreshetnyak | yes | 14:49 |
| elmiko | k | 14:49 |
| elmiko | thanks =) | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 9 mins left | 14:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat? | 14:51 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:51 |
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| alazarev | quotas is a separate topic to discuss, now we are retrieving the whole neutron DB for each cluster creation, horizon does the same thing | 14:51 |
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| hdd | just a quick question: what's the status of HDP 2.2 plugin? | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hdd, the first parts are already on review | 14:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | by sreshetnyak | 14:53 |
| egafford | We discussed the idea of using an agent and the possibility of Zaqar adoption at Summit. It was extremely brief, and I don't think anything was decided, but I'd like to get a notion of where we are on the question of trying to move away from straight SSH for communication. | 14:53 |
| hdd | ok, cool, I'll check it out. I'm eager to test | 14:53 |
| tellesnobrega | the multiple clusters questions that are still open we can discuss later | 14:53 |
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| egafford | (This could be a worth discussing next week as a larger topic.) | 14:54 |
| * flaper87 drops something here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/zaqar-specs/specs/liberty/pre-signed-url.html | 14:54 | |
| egafford | flaper87: :D | 14:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | flaper87, thx :) | 14:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, so, it's the base for the potential guest agent impl | 14:55 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Right; I just didn't come away with a firm picture of whether the guest agent impl is potential or planned. | 14:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, it's a potential implementation option, but now it looks like the best option | 14:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, with zaqar queues per cluster and signed urls it'll be the full isolation for the control traffic | 14:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, and no need for SSH :) | 14:57 |
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| egafford | I see. So we are moving toward a guest agent, and Zaqar is a potential route toward it. Cool; that's what I needed to know. Thanks. | 14:58 |
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| egafford | (Potential and likely.) | 14:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, yup, in real life - someday, hopefully sooner :) | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're going out of time | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks! | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 14:59:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-04-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-04-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-04-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov ! | 14:59 |
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| kchen | bye | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 15:00 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin, hi | 15:00 |
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| john-davidge | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 15:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: john-davidge: hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Liberty-1 is right around the corner. | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 15:01 |
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| vikram___ | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | The Neutron mid-cycle is coming up. In Fort Collins. Anyone planning to attend? | 15:01 |
| tidwellr | I am planning on it | 15:01 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: yes | 15:02 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I am still in the "maybe" category | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | too far away for me unfortunately | 15:02 |
| haleyb | will be there | 15:02 |
| vikram___ | :( | 15:02 |
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| Ramanjaneya | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | We will miss those who are unable to attend. | 15:03 |
| vikram___ | Me too ;) | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | I did some triage but still need to do some more. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Any bugs to bring up specifically? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t have any. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | gsagie: This is probably a good time to bring up your dvr patch | 15:05 |
| gsagie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185368/ , not a bug but its the decomposition task | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185368/ | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Right, not a bug but I thought we’d squeeze it in due to your constraints. | 15:06 |
| gsagie | i aligned it with everyones comments, and would like to get it merged first before moving to the next step | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | gsagie: I have not looked at it since my latest review. | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think the naming was the only open question for me. What names did you settle on? | 15:06 |
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| gsagie | carl_baldwin: what you suggested, however thats still mainly in comment and the file name, i think we can replace that going forward if we think of something better | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay. I’ll have another look later today. | 15:07 |
| gsagie | the next step/patch would be to remove the is_snat_host checks and align the unit tests and the creation in the agent | 15:07 |
| gsagie | after that i will try to think about a composition model, but that will be more intrusive code wise | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | gsagie: Let’s get to the second step and see what that looks like and go from there. | 15:09 |
| gsagie | okie, waiting your reviews then :) | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | gsagie: Any other open issues on this? | 15:09 |
| gsagie | nope, and thanks for letting me go first, have to run, bye! | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | gsagie: bye | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: vikram___: devvesa: hi | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:12 |
| vikram___ | hi | 15:12 |
| vikram___ | Rebasing for CLI and driver patch done! | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram___: Excellent, do you have links handy? | 15:12 |
| vikram___ | Good news we have a Horizon expert Vish willing to help us out for horizon | 15:12 |
| vikram___ | I have over-written the same patch | 15:13 |
| vishwanathj | vikram___, Thanks for introducing me as an expert, don't think I am an expert but am glad to help out | 15:13 |
| vikram___ | ;) | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | vishwanathj: There will be many opportunities for doing Horizon work for Neutron features. :) | 15:14 |
| vikram___ | Driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115938/ | 15:14 |
| vishwanathj | that will be awesome, appreciate the opportunity | 15:14 |
| vikram___ | CLI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111318/ | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram___: Thanks. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything needing discussion now? | 15:15 |
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| vikram___ | Carl: Ramanjenya is also willing to help us for CLI work | 15:15 |
| tidwellr | A couple issues to raise 1). I want to tread lightly with the scope of the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125401/ 2). The patches we have seem to be have been implemented as a service plugin. Is there a reason to continue down that path? | 15:15 |
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| tidwellr | in terms of scope, I'm concerned that we may be biting off a little too much by support both routed floating IP and routed tenant networks | 15:17 |
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| tidwellr | we can take the scope discussion to the spec, we don't need to go on about it here | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I think we should go for floating ips first and be sure that gets done. The tenant networks piece will depend on address scopes which is not yet ready. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | I think doing tenant networks will be a stretch goal. | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | Let’s take the service plugin discussion to the code review and possibly the ML. | 15:18 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: good plan | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else on this topic? | 15:19 |
| vikram___ | Yes | 15:19 |
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| vikram___ | What is plan about BP approval and code delivery? | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Nice work on getting the patches up to date. Has any had much luck running them in a test environment against quagga or anything? | 15:20 |
| vikram___ | That's the next step;) | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram___: It looks like the BP may need one more turn. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | I’d like to see working code in someone’s test setup. Hopefully one we can automate in the gate before merging the code. | 15:21 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: no luck yet, the API / DB layer has been interesting to say the least | 15:22 |
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| tidwellr | getting closer though, I'm hoping to have some code cleaned up and running next week | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | We should make that the goal, connecting to floating ips through BGP routes rather than arp in an automated test. | 15:24 |
| tidwellr | +1 | 15:24 |
| vikram___ | +1 | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: vikram___: Thanks for the update on progress. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | We have a lot to cover, so moving on... | 15:24 |
| vikram___ | Carl: I will be on a vacation for 2 weeks... | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:24 |
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| vishwanathj | carl_baldwin, vikram___ was mentioning that there was some specific horizon work related to subnet pool that needs to be done...is there a link that you can share that has the details | 15:24 |
| vikram___ | Will ensure i sync up with ryan | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram___: ack | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | vishwanathj: There is a blueprint, I will get you the link in a bit. | 15:25 |
| vikram___ | Carl: thanks | 15:25 |
| vishwanathj | ok, thanks | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: pavel_bondar: ping | 15:25 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:26 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:26 |
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| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar broke the refactor/decompose patch up some more | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ve had some good progress. | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | first patch just moves code around | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187961/ | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | pretty simple | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Ref impl and driver loader down. | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yes! I think the link above can merge soon too | 15:27 |
| pavel_bondar | and plan do some more siple slices from #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153236/ | 15:27 |
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| pavel_bondar | s/siple/simple/ | 15:27 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: so you are going to break it up a bit more? | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: It looks like it has seen some reviews and is a smaller bit to review. | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think this patch is very manageable. I will review it soon. | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: L1 is coming fast | 15:28 |
| pavel_bondar | johnbelamaric: yes, there are still some copy with small modifications code in ipam_backend_mixin and ipam_non_pluggable_backend | 15:28 |
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| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: ok | 15:29 |
| pavel_bondar | so plan to create new review from that | 15:29 |
| johnbelamaric | makes sense | 15:29 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: so you were able to get rid of the "associate" step - you updated the ref driver too? | 15:29 |
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| pavel_bondar | johnbelamaric, right, it works fine without it | 15:30 |
| pavel_bondar | I have updated dependent patches with this changes | 15:30 |
| johnbelamaric | ok, good | 15:30 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: so, once you split the patch again, we can push on with the reviews. ETA on that? | 15:31 |
| pavel_bondar | ETA for split is tomorrow | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | This sounds like it is really shaping up. I will be sure to review 187961 today while I might have you guys available to discuss. It looks simple enough to merge soon. | 15:31 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: great! | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Hopefully, that will open the door for the others to fall in line tomorrow and after. | 15:32 |
| johnbelamaric | :) | 15:32 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: sounds good! | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Feel free to ping me on this to keep the review cycles tight. | 15:32 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin, sure, thanks | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else for the meeting? | 15:33 |
| johnbelamaric | address scopes? | 15:33 |
| johnbelamaric | or you mean for IPAM? I don't think so | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Address Scopes | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | There. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | Are there still open questions? | 15:34 |
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| vikram___ | BP looks really cool ;) | 15:35 |
| vikram___ | Carl: Nice work | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram___: +1. I think we found a sweet spot. Something that can be implemented within the cycle and will provide a nice foundation. | 15:35 |
| pc_m | +1 | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | One I think on whether we should allow route leaking between address scopes within Neutron. But maybe that is a follow on | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: How do you feel about the spec? | 15:36 |
| vikram___ | yes | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: i think it is looking good too. I think we can put route leaking (ie, routing between scopes without NAT) in a later cycle | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I was thinking not to allow leaking at first. But, I’m open to discussion. | 15:36 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: +1 let's keep the scope do-able! | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I think that VRF work in Linux may help us with that. But, it is bleeding edge work that isn’t even merged. | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yeah, who knows when that will happen… | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Right, I want to keep an eye on it. | 15:38 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: Ok, +1 from me :) | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Ok, I’ll try to get this BP reviewed by the drivers team and approved. | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic DNS | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ll give a report on mlavalle ’s behalf. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | The BPs to get nova and neutron talking have been updated and are simpler and looking good. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Kiall from designate is taking over the BP to get neutron and designate talking. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle is beginning to write code. The momentum is looking good. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | That’s all. | 15:41 |
| johnbelamaric | sounds like good news | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic IPv6 | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Are you around? | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | It was mentioned yesterday that we might want to discuss bug 1460720 | 15:42 |
| openstack | bug 1460720 in neutron "Add API to set ipv6 gateway" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460720 - Assigned to Abishek Subramanian (absubram) | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | There is also the testing effort (bug 1401726) | 15:42 |
| openstack | bug 1401726 in tempest "Tempest IPv6 scenario tests use IPv4 and floating IPs to connect and test" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1401726 - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyone around? | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay. Will bump it to another week or discuss offline. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic ML3 | 15:45 |
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| haleyb | i only know of the first bug - ipv6_gateway api support, which i talked to abishek at summit about, seems like a good step | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | I guess maybe we were looking to talk ML3 in a later meeting. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other topics? | 15:46 |
| pcarver | I'm planning to organize my thoughts on ML3 but haven't yet | 15:47 |
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| pcarver | Armando has given me some good input to think about | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | pcarver: Ah, you did make it. Good to see you. I wasn’t sure what your nick was. | 15:47 |
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| pcarver | yeah, sorry. Wasn't watching the whole meeting, just checking occasionally | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | pcarver: Thanks for the update. I have seen your ML post and I plan to respond as soon as I get a minute. | 15:48 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: New prefix delegation patchset is up to address your review comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697 | 15:48 |
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| john-davidge | Hopefully it captures everything. Currently evaluating what extra testing the new pd classes need | 15:48 |
| pcarver | So I know I've got L3 routing problems, but I want to structure a writeup that's not specific to just me | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: ack. | 15:49 |
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| pcarver | by L3 routing problems, I mean performance specifically, high bandwidth, high PPS, low latency | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | pcarver: understood | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | I did forget to mention the “network segments” topic. I removed “routing networks” and replaced it with this. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t know what the chances are for making Liberty with it (if any) but it is something I’m thinking about. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Attempt to find common ground between https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1458890 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172244/ | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, just FYI. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Last call for other topics before closing the meeting | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | Bye. Thanks to everyone. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 15:56:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-04-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-04-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-04-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
| johnbelamaric | thanks. bye | 15:56 |
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| pavel_bondar | bye | 15:56 |
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| elmiko | hello folks | 15:59 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:59 |
| miguelgrinberg | hi elmiko | 15:59 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 16:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | there we go | 16:00 |
| cdent | slow bot | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | i think i had spaces in front that messed it up | 16:00 |
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| ryansb | probably | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #topic agenda | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | etoews is out, so we'll skip his action | 16:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | just finished my review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177397/ a few minutes ago | 16:02 |
| elmiko | awesome | 16:02 |
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| miguelgrinberg | lots of things I did not like | 16:02 |
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| elmiko | anything specific you'd like to bring up? | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:02 |
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| miguelgrinberg | they have optional components in the URL, in the middle | 16:03 |
| ryansb | o.O | 16:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | something like /artifacts/{type_version}/something_else | 16:04 |
| miguelgrinberg | and type_version can be omitted | 16:04 |
| cdent | that's confusing | 16:04 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:04 |
| * sigmavirus24 sees if any of them are around | 16:04 | |
| miguelgrinberg | I suggested a different structure, let's see how it goes | 16:04 |
| cdent | and not very URI | 16:04 |
| sdague | o/ | 16:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ sdague | 16:05 |
| cdent | what is a "type version" | 16:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | it defines the version of the artifact structure | 16:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | or so I understand | 16:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: so artifacts are a very generic abstraction of "things" | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | a type is a specialization of sorts, e.g., an image | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | or a heat template | 16:06 |
| sdague | so... this version thing seems like it would be better done in a psuedo content negotiation model | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think the type_version is the artifact's version (since all artifacts are semantically versioned) | 16:06 |
| stevelle | ^ that | 16:06 |
| cdent | sdague++ | 16:06 |
| miguelgrinberg | I proposed to move the optional stuff to the end, but content negotiation would work too | 16:07 |
| cdent | (it's getting a bit boring agreeing with you so much sdague, can you say some stupid stuff every now and again just to keep me on my toes?) | 16:07 |
| sdague | artifact_type seems to be completely mime types, so I don't understand why that's in the uri at all | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: having never met you, I'm not convinced you and sdague aren't the same person | 16:07 |
| sdague | heh | 16:08 |
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| miguelgrinberg | sdague: they define it as a semver | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | sigmavirus24: lol | 16:08 |
| sdague | miguelgrinberg: no, that's type_version | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Has anyone ever seen cdent and sdague in the same room together? I doubt it ;) | 16:08 |
| sdague | The `artifact_type` constant should unambiguously identify the | 16:08 |
| sdague | artifact type, so the values of this constants should be unique among all the | 16:08 |
| sdague | artifact types defined by the active plugins. | 16:08 |
| miguelgrinberg | sdague: ah, sorry, right | 16:08 |
| cdent | I think I saw sdague at summit, but I may have been imagining it, talking to myself | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh I could be wrong | 16:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | They might allow versioning of artifact plugin types | 16:08 |
| sdague | right, that seems to be what it is. But that really seems like it should just be mime types | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | jaypipes: might know more about artifacts since he's their bossman =P | 16:09 |
| sdague | with Accept headers | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | sdague: I don't disagree :D | 16:09 |
| stevelle | they allow versioning the types as well as the artifacts, yes | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | stevelle: right, I was confused for a few minutes there | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | sounds like miguelgrinberg is on top of this, do we need another action item or does this seem on track? | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | or would other folks want to checkout #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177397/ as well? | 16:10 |
| cdent | is it worth getting more people on the review or will that just seem like piling on? | 16:11 |
| peterstac | o/ | 16:11 |
| elmiko | cdent: yea, that's my concern too | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: I think one or two other people to back up miguelgrinberg's concerns is fine | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think 10 people is piling on | 16:11 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I think a couple more is not going to hurt | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: has been working on artifacts | 16:11 |
| elmiko | cdent, sdague, would either of you be able to take a look at that review as well? | 16:11 |
| cdent | yeah, I've just put in my think about this queue | 16:12 |
| ativelkov | hi folks | 16:12 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:12 |
| sdague | elmiko: yes, I can. | 16:12 |
| elmiko | ativelkov: hi | 16:12 |
| elmiko | awesome, thanks | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | so if y'all have questions, ativelkov can answer them very well | 16:12 |
| elmiko | #action cdent and sdague to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177397/ and comment | 16:12 |
| elmiko | ok, next action item | 16:13 |
| elmiko | stevelle, and ryansb, do you guys have anything to talk about for the filtering guideline? | 16:13 |
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| stevelle | Nothing except to call for more reviews on the updates | 16:13 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177468/ | 16:13 |
| ryansb | elmiko: I don't think so | 16:14 |
| ryansb | yeah, what stevelle said | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | ok, cool. is that the correct link? | 16:14 |
| ryansb | yup | 16:14 |
| elmiko | #topic merge process status | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186836/ | 16:15 |
| elmiko | so, it looks like we are getting good acceptance of the process that etoews put together | 16:15 |
| elmiko | i wonder if we should post something to the ml about this, or can we merge maybe early next week? | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | send something to the ML | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | just to be safe | 16:16 |
| sdague | posting to the ML never hurts | 16:16 |
| sdague | and more communication the better on a lot of this, so there is less surprise to people | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | well, sometimes it does ;) | 16:16 |
| elmiko | ok, i won't freeze it though, since it's not really a guideline. does that make sense? | 16:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | or if people are surprised, then we can say "you should have read the ML" | 16:17 |
| ryansb | sounds reasonable | 16:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: yep | 16:17 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko make post to ml about the merge process review | 16:17 |
| elmiko | #topic guideline freeze | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guideline freeze (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:17 | |
| elmiko | the review chain starting with #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179365/ | 16:17 |
| elmiko | seems to have good reviews and i think it's mostly ready for merge | 16:18 |
| elmiko | should we freeze the main 3 and make a post, following the new process, or are these small enough to skip that? | 16:18 |
| cdent | they are small, but they make statements about response codes that seem to stir people up | 16:19 |
| elmiko | i'm kinda leaning towards freeze and post, but i wanted to get other's opinions | 16:19 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:19 |
| sdague | yeh, freeze and post seems safe | 16:19 |
| elmiko | k, sounds good | 16:19 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko freeze https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179365/ chain and post to ml | 16:20 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:20 |
| elmiko | are there any other guidelines we should be looking at? | 16:20 |
| cdent | I think we should send the 501 stuff out for a global fight or it's going to linger and never actually be followed | 16:21 |
| cdent | each time someone outside the group comes along they say "but wait, no!" and drop a -1 on it | 16:22 |
| elmiko | this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183456/ ? | 16:22 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | I agree with cdent | 16:22 |
| elmiko | hmm, what's the next step here. sdague is there room to update this? | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | I thought we were supposed to be telling people that they were doing it wrong though | 16:23 |
| * sigmavirus24 kids | 16:23 | |
| miguelgrinberg | what I think the problem is here is that we are not talking about specific examples | 16:23 |
| cdent | I'm starting to think that maybe sigmavirus24 is me too | 16:23 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | who's to say that I'm not? | 16:23 |
| cdent | exactly! | 16:23 |
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| sdague | elmiko: so beyond merge conflicts, I think there were a couple of minor wording corrections, right? | 16:23 |
| cdent | The reason I bring this up now is because it is one of the main areas where there are a lot of implementations are using 501 to mean "that functionality is not currently configured" | 16:24 |
| elmiko | sdague: yea, but it's picked up a few -1s that look like content issues | 16:24 |
| sdague | I can make those changes for sure, I don't know where the balance of the 501 fight is right now though, as I'm still getting my hread around it | 16:24 |
| sdague | elmiko: yeh, those are fixable | 16:24 |
| sdague | I can do that later today | 16:24 |
| cdent | and making the guidline not to do that tests whether are guidelines are enforceable | 16:24 |
| elmiko | sdague: awesome, thanks | 16:24 |
| cdent | s/are/our/ | 16:24 |
| elmiko | #action sdague review and repost #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183456/ | 16:24 |
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| miguelgrinberg | sdague: if you could list examples it would be awesome. I can follow your reasoning all the way until you say 400, then it does not make sense to me, so looking at specific examples might help | 16:25 |
| sdague | miguelgrinberg: so, honestly, 400 is to me the default answer when nothing else fits | 16:25 |
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| jaypipes | sorry I'm late guys. | 16:26 |
| sdague | because, you know, the http codes were designed around clients and servers before there were dynamic applications | 16:26 |
| miguelgrinberg | sdague: so I want to see why 404 does not fit better | 16:26 |
| jaypipes | sigmavirus24: I still have to do the review on the API of the artifacts, sorry :( | 16:26 |
| jaypipes | and I'm not the boss man :) | 16:26 |
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| sigmavirus24 | you're sort of a boss, man ;) | 16:26 |
| sdague | miguelgrinberg: so, honestly, I don't have a hugely strong opinion on it, it's mostly the practical bit from the mailing list scuff between cdent and I | 16:26 |
| miguelgrinberg | sdague: but you understand the push back on 400 correct? | 16:27 |
| sdague | I think if anything beyond 400 has multiple meanings, it gets weird on client side coding | 16:27 |
| sdague | miguelgrinberg: yes | 16:27 |
| cdent | 404 should only be used when there's nothing responding on the URL | 16:27 |
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| sdague | miguelgrinberg: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/063396.html is the crux of my practical argument around 400 fall back | 16:27 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: so I'd like to see an example where a service that is not configured still can have a valid URL | 16:28 |
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| sdague | miguelgrinberg: oh, that's easy | 16:28 |
| sdague | POST volume-attach to /servers/ID/action | 16:29 |
| sdague | for a docker driver based cloud | 16:29 |
| sdague | a lot of these are things where the more RPCish stuff is being done for features that not all backend drivers support | 16:30 |
| sdague | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html | 16:30 |
| sdague | POST stop /severs/ID/action to an ironic based cloud | 16:30 |
| miguelgrinberg | sdague: okay, so side effect of using actions instead of resources. Good example. | 16:31 |
| sdague | yeh, I can include that in the updated text | 16:31 |
| elmiko | would it help to have some of the example codified in the guideline? | 16:31 |
| elmiko | k, thanks sdague | 16:31 |
| cdent | when do we write the guideline that says /servers/ID/action is a bad idea? | 16:32 |
| miguelgrinberg | sdague: I think it does help to justify the 400 with examples | 16:32 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm totally happy adding more rationale to the docs, I think that's huge part of the value | 16:32 |
| * elmiko backs away slowly | 16:32 | |
| sdague | cdent: lets see if we can get past this 501 thing first :) | 16:32 |
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| cdent | :) | 16:32 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:32 |
| sdague | and drink a lot of sake in tokyo and convince ourselves the action fight is worth fighting | 16:33 |
| sdague | because I'm still mixed on that one | 16:33 |
| elmiko | i think at some point we should circle back around on the http guideline and format it more closely to the template, | 16:33 |
| miguelgrinberg | :) | 16:33 |
| cdent | yeah, "worth" is a good question | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | we could add examples to each sub-section | 16:33 |
| cdent | worth putting off | 16:33 |
| sdague | elmiko: yeh, examples would be great | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | ok, any other guidelines we should be looking at, or might be ready for a freeze? | 16:34 |
| sdague | I think every rule should end up with a why (rationale), what (here is the edict), and how (examples) | 16:34 |
| elmiko | sdague: +1 | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i think part of the issue is that the http guideline started before we agreed on a format, so we'll need to clean it up at some point. | 16:34 |
| sdague | yeh, no worries, I like that it's evolving that way | 16:35 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:35 |
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| elmiko | ok, moving along | 16:35 |
| elmiko | #topic APIImpact | 16:35 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:36 |
| elmiko | anything there that folks would like to point out? | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | i know this one, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187443/ | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | got discussed in channel a bit, not sure if it needs any eyeballs or not | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | looks like they dropped the PATCH ideas, so maybe not | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | ok then | 16:39 |
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| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: seems pretty clean design | 16:39 |
| elmiko | #topic open discussion | 16:39 |
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| ryansb | Yeah, they seem like they're fine | 16:39 |
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| ryansb | (the barbican review) | 16:39 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: yea, i think they hashed out all the ideas with you in irc | 16:39 |
| cdent | I had dropped on the agenda earlier in the week but it went missing: | 16:40 |
| cdent | there's a downstream request that all apis that list time oriented data support some form of changes-since, akin to what nova has on at least some stuff | 16:40 |
| cdent | a) is changes-since well and proper? | 16:40 |
| cdent | b) is it a portable concept? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | so, would this be a request that could be made for changes-since? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | (i'm not quite following the usage) | 16:41 |
| cdent | I'm not sure I quite follow it either because I'm not clear on what the existing implementation is doing | 16:42 |
| elmiko | lol, ok | 16:42 |
| sdague | it's a filter | 16:42 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: is the idea to get the entities that changed since a time, or the individual changes on them? | 16:42 |
| elmiko | ah, that makes sense | 16:42 |
| stevelle | why just "changes-since" instead of proper filtering on sortable property? | 16:42 |
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| sdague | because changes-since is a baked in contruct in some of the sqla apis in projects | 16:43 |
| cdent | what does the existing thing do? | 16:43 |
| stevelle | the construct is updated_at and also supports created_at iirc | 16:43 |
| sdague | right, so it turns into an sql filter around updated_at | 16:44 |
| sdague | and returns everything updated_at > changes-since | 16:44 |
| stevelle | so what I'm asking is why not allow < or <= as well | 16:44 |
| sdague | for various data slices | 16:44 |
| miguelgrinberg | this can be integrated into ryansb guideline on filtering I think | 16:44 |
| sdague | stevelle: could be, this is legacy stuff that's been there for a while | 16:44 |
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| nikhil_k | o/ | 16:45 |
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| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: +1 | 16:45 |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: yeah that probably gets to the core of my question: is changes-since is an implementation dependent use of generic sorting | 16:45 |
| sdague | and I agree, the filtering guide probably is an appropriate place to talk about it | 16:45 |
| cdent | sounds like it is | 16:45 |
| nikhil_k | changes-since is very non-scalable (my 2 cents) | 16:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: I see it as a query on a field of type timestamp | 16:45 |
| sdague | nikhil_k: why is it non scalable? | 16:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | or datetime if you are Pythonic | 16:45 |
| nikhil_k | If your database is N years old and your tenant has X thousand rows, this may result into a gigantic scan + join query | 16:46 |
| sdague | nikhil_k: no, it's scanning updated_at, which you've got an index on | 16:46 |
| sdague | so it's super scalable | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | you should index your datetime fields | 16:47 |
| sdague | right, exactly, if you don't... well good luck | 16:47 |
| nikhil_k | right, but it won't return just the indexed rows | 16:47 |
| edleafe | It actually helps scalability, as you don't pull data that hasn't changed | 16:47 |
| sdague | nikhil_k: yes it will | 16:47 |
| stevelle | nikhil_k: explain the join bit | 16:47 |
| nikhil_k | how about joins on other tables? | 16:47 |
| nikhil_k | One example | 16:47 |
| sdague | nikhil_k: well, don't crazy overnormalize your tables :) | 16:48 |
| nikhil_k | I can say without numbers on Rackspace public cloud that | 16:48 |
| edleafe | nikhil_k: why is that worse than any other WHERE clause? | 16:48 |
| woodster_ | elmiko: (thanks for the barbican mention above btw, just caught up) | 16:48 |
| sdague | edleafe: right, exactly | 16:48 |
| nikhil_k | The database is at least 5 years old and we have to purge the whole thing to keep only 90 days worth data to let the query run using chages-since | 16:48 |
| elmiko | woodster_: np, i know you had some questions about it | 16:48 |
| nikhil_k | The worst case scenario is in image properties table | 16:49 |
| nikhil_k | well, images have other tables that join over images one (like locations) | 16:49 |
| sdague | nikhil_k: so I'd say that is a schema design problem | 16:49 |
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| sdague | I don't think that changes-since is inherently non scalable, any more than any other criteria | 16:49 |
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| nikhil_k | So, for example a tenant asks for changes-since 2 years. All images that are public, shared (And visible) and self creates would be retrieved | 16:50 |
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| miguelgrinberg | nikhil_k: using pagination, correct? you are not going to get all in one batch | 16:50 |
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| sdague | right, exactly | 16:50 |
| nikhil_k | But it would be a mandatory thing for api that don't scale with it (unless I read the proposal wrond) | 16:50 |
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| nikhil_k | wrong( | 16:50 |
| sdague | the fact that you aren't paging is a different problem | 16:51 |
| nikhil_k | miguelgrinberg: pagination is another big issue. | 16:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | what's the problem? | 16:51 |
| nikhil_k | we can set page sizes on clients, servers and apis that nova proxies | 16:51 |
| elmiko | does the change-since topic need a post on ML, or can we debate it in the filtering review? | 16:51 |
| elmiko | also, <10 min. left | 16:52 |
| nikhil_k | so, the latency of fetching can be inconsistent | 16:52 |
| cdent | I think on the review elmiko | 16:52 |
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| sdague | yeh, the filtering review should be fine | 16:52 |
| cdent | I hadn't realized raising the issue would be so interesting | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | cdent: k, cool. | 16:52 |
| cdent | I was just trying to determine the extent to which it is worth considering for elsewhere | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | #action cdent add changes-since language to filtering review | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: so I'd argue that if we need to support changes-since that we should be able to change the response we provide | 16:53 |
| elmiko | cdent: is that ok ^^? | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | so that we aren't joining tables if we dont' need to | 16:53 |
| cdent | my takeaway is that the specifics of using that term are not germane, there are better more generic ways | 16:53 |
| cdent | yup elmiko | 16:53 |
| sdague | so, I think we're exposing design issues in some of the projects in the process, which is good. In getting towards consistent APIs we're going to realize a lot of projects were just reflecting up very different db schema | 16:53 |
| nikhil_k | I see, also pagination can't be really trusted | 16:53 |
| edleafe | cdent: it's pretty generic for data polling | 16:53 |
| ryansb | well it's possible to do it as two queries, one with fewer/no joins and then a load of just the new records | 16:53 |
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| sdague | sigmavirus24: yeh, I think there is a lot of useful db optimization on a bunch of projects that makes all this work better as well, fortunately we can do db migrations to help on that as well :) | 16:54 |
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| elmiko | a little side-note, i had an action item from summit to contact the CPLs and do some outreach | 16:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | sdague: glance hasn't had a good recent history with migrations =P | 16:55 |
| elmiko | i've shared the nova-inspired liaison responsibilities, and merge process review with most of the listed CPLs | 16:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | if there are no other topics, would you guys want to chat about HTTP caching? | 16:55 |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: in 5 minutes? ;) | 16:56 |
| nikhil_k | sdague: +1 on db optimization, input would be appreciated. I would in general be hesitent on changes-since. we never had good experience with it | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: I'm a dreamer :) | 16:56 |
| elmiko | we are still looking for CPLs from congress, designate, magnum, mistral, murano, rally, triple-o, and zaqar. if you know anyone, let me know =) | 16:56 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: go for it, we'll carry over into openstack-api for those who are interested | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | just wanted to test the waters and see what you guys think. I really like to propose that we start adding caching headers to all APIs | 16:57 |
| nikhil_k | miguelgrinberg: ++ | 16:57 |
| miguelgrinberg | a middleware that does the basic support would be nice | 16:57 |
| elmiko | i really like the middleware idea | 16:57 |
| miguelgrinberg | maybe setting etags on all responses, and interpreting the conditional requests | 16:57 |
| sdague | so, I was talking with krotscheck about that the other day | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | eh? wha? | 16:58 |
| sdague | I'm not sure that etags middleware is going to do us a ton of good | 16:58 |
| sdague | because you'll have to compute all the resources | 16:58 |
| miguelgrinberg | sdague: yes, it only saves bandwidth | 16:58 |
| miguelgrinberg | you still have to run the server side handler | 16:58 |
| sdague | right, and bw is rarely the concern here. | 16:58 |
| sdague | If we can get clients to not make calls they don't need to, that's a huge win | 16:59 |
| miguelgrinberg | so I'm thinking we have to add caching to our ersponses, so we might as well do the etags, since it does not hurt | 16:59 |
| sdague | but I don't think you can solve that with middleware, it has to be deeper in the project about what the cache-control really is for things | 16:59 |
| elmiko | sorry, almost out of time, can we take this to openstack-api? | 16:59 |
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| sdague | yeh | 16:59 |
| miguelgrinberg | but even adding a basiline cache-control header will be helpful | 16:59 |
| elmiko | thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| edleafe | thanks elmiko | 17:00 |
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| igordcard_ | hi all | 18:01 |
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| yamahata | hello | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi | 18:02 |
| s3wong | apparently 1800 UTC means something else for service chaining meeting :-) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ;-) | 18:02 |
| igordcard_ | s3wong: indeed... | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 18:02:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_4th.2C_2015 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is ajay or amit here? | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: hi | 18:04 |
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| yapeng | hello, everyone | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry for the delay, i was looking for amit, ajay, magesh and ivar | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but none of them seem to be on | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah ransari is here, thanks for joining rukhsana | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:05 |
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| ransari | you're welcome sumit | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we did not have any critical bugs in the last week | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however a bunch of new High priority ones got added | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | more specifically, we ajay (who was planning to join), is one of the first users actually writing to our API, found a bunch of stuff | 18:08 |
| Ajay_ | joined now | 18:08 |
| Ajay_ | sorry confused with UTC time | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah, and there he is, right on cue - Ajay_: hi | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose: we see you too, thanks for joining | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | will get to the packaging in a minute | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hello, sorry I'm late | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so as i was saying, Ajay_ is one of the first brave new users of the GBP API | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: np, we are just getting warmed up ;-) | 18:09 |
| Ajay_ | i am integrating GBP into Rally | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: yes thanks | 18:10 |
| Ajay_ | tests i mean | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so he has been looking at various different aspects as he is working through writing the Rally tests | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he has also posted a bunch of bugs, which i think are very good feedback for the team here | 18:10 |
| Ajay_ | so far 5 UI bugs and a 3 were non UI issues | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: do you feel comfortable pointing out a few of the high priority bugs and/or generall issues that you are seeing? | 18:11 |
| Ajay_ | ya mainly the UI issues with regards to presenting the view to users | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: but i think some of your observations on the service and API side are more pressing | 18:12 |
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| Ajay_ | ya for API side | 18:12 |
| Ajay_ | these issues | 18:12 |
| Ajay_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1462024 | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462024 in Group Based Policy "Concurrent create_policy_target_group call fails" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:12 |
| Ajay_ | where concurrent usage of policy target group was causing issues | 18:12 |
| Ajay_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1460831 | 18:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460831 in Group Based Policy "API for group update is not clear" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat) | 18:13 |
| Ajay_ | for Group update API | 18:13 |
| Ajay_ | and there is one more on treatment of orphaned openstack resources | 18:13 |
| Ajay_ | those sumit where the ones from API | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: yes | 18:14 |
| Ajay_ | also i was faced with no documentation on python API | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | right | 18:14 |
| Ajay_ | which makes the development cycle for app users writing applications on top of GBP longer | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so as a user, Ajay_ expected that there be a python SDK that he could have used | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we dont have one | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Ajay_: that's great feedback! | 18:15 |
| Ajay_ | also i noticed a few cases where i am deviating from intenant | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: do other OpenStack projects have a SDK? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is an area we have to address immediately, so if there’s anyone wanting to work on this, please let me know | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:15 |
| Ajay_ | example i still need to specify quoatas in neutron still need to know neutron port to attach A VM etc | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstack.org%2Fwiki%2FSDK-Development%2FPythonOpenStackSDK&ei=35VwVZcIxfygBPeUgYgC&usg=AFQjCNEl4q5Yu_SQZLQFWQNQlOlp73kIDQ&sig2=KLHnZGp8bQzWCrWb77AN6Q&bvm=bv.95039771,d.cGU | 18:16 |
| Ajay_ | as an App API user i want to perform all operations in intent and dont want to keep track of neutron | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: i believe we should track that as a bug too | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: for the integrated projects, they were part of the SDK | 18:17 |
| ransari | Sumit:Ajay: w.r.t 1460831 - does the bug translate to "Why is a key of provider/consumer required if it is already called out in the CLI via --provided-rule-set?" | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: however we can use that SDK as a lib, and build our own | 18:17 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I found this #link https://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: yes | 18:17 |
| ransari | sumit: ok | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, thats the one | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: sorry, it relates to “what is the use of the scope, and its confusing the way its structured” | 18:18 |
| Ajay_ | Sumit which one quota one or the neutron port knowledge to attach VM what needs a bug? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: the quota one | 18:18 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Ajay_: we had a wrapper in the client for VM creation with --group option | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: for the neutron port, we will address that as a part of the compute integration | 18:19 |
| Ajay_ | also even if we dont have a SDK immediatly documentation on the current python API , Like REST body to use would be useful | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | not sure if it's part of the current release anymore | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: agree, we will try to address this one way or the other at the earliest | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: its probably not | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i mean its not, and it probably wont be | 18:20 |
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| Ajay_ | we cant expect application developers using GBP to capture output from CLI and than put those REST body in their python scripts .... | 18:20 |
| Ajay_ | thats all i had on feedback | 18:20 |
| Ajay_ | for this week | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: yes, agreed, and apologies for making you do that | 18:20 |
| yapeng | currently all APIs are in python language? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: great, thanks much (but dont go away) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: true | 18:21 |
| Ajay_ | yes wont | 18:21 |
| ransari | Ajay: in terms of documentation, is the expectation something along the lines of: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-networking-v2.html | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: but we still need an SDK that abstracts the client side usage | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: did you just volunteer to do that? :-P | 18:22 |
| Ajay_ | ransari: yes | 18:22 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: makes sense | 18:22 |
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| ransari | ajay: ok | 18:22 |
| ransari | sumit: will discuss with hemanth if we can help out with that | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the WADL formatting is a bit time consuming to code | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence the delay in doing this | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: sure | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, i know we deviated a little bit from the usual meeting flow today (and perhaps we should called this topic - User Feedback), but i wanted to get Ajay_’s input while its fresh in his mind | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Test - Functional, Integration, Rally | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | note that i added Rally here | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so like Ajay_ mentioned he has been working on writing these tests | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: can you give a quick summary of the scenarios that you are currently targeting? | 18:25 |
| Ajay_ | I am testing all the Implicit Policy APIs for functional, concurrency and scale | 18:26 |
| Ajay_ | to do this i am using the python client API to code these tests in Rally benchmark tool | 18:26 |
| Ajay_ | so far policy actions/calissifiers/rule/ruleset/target group/target are codes | 18:26 |
| Ajay_ | coded | 18:26 |
| Ajay_ | these APIs i mean | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: why do you say “implicity policy” APIs? | 18:27 |
| Ajay_ | code is in my github under username: akalambu forked rally repo | 18:27 |
| Ajay_ | as in i create a policy target group | 18:27 |
| Ajay_ | and it creates a L2 and L3 policy | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: ok | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you mean the implicity workflows | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: great! | 18:28 |
| Ajay_ | next would be explicit L2/L3 policy and external network | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: as regards a home for the tests | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: these should be in the GBP upstream repo | 18:28 |
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| Ajay_ | i can speak to Boris and see if he is ready to accept this upstream? | 18:28 |
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| Ajay_ | Boris is Rally PTL | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: ah, i was thinking this should be part of the GBP repo | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other projects do it that way | 18:29 |
| Ajay_ | ok | 18:29 |
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| Ajay_ | ya we can do that too | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: yeah, we can have a “rally” directory here #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/tree/master/gbpservice/tests | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or in any other location that makes sense | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what does the rest of the team think about this? | 18:30 |
| Ajay_ | sumit: issue is it needs rally infra to run | 18:30 |
| Ajay_ | which is in a different rpo | 18:30 |
| Ajay_ | repo | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: yes agreed | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: but we have integration tests that need devstack too | 18:31 |
| igordcard_ | seems okay to me, have no issue with it | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: so we would have a separate job that would setup the rally infra to exercise these tests | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: ok good | 18:31 |
| Ajay_ | sumit: sounds good will work on i | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: ok cool, we can connect offline to discuss the feasibility and mechanics of this | 18:32 |
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| Ajay_ | sumit: sounds good | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for Ajay_ on this? | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I would go with as much in-tree as possible at least as far as the tests are concerned | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: +1 | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so that any developer can write basic tests for their new features | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | who knows... Maybe even as a requirement :p | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: integration tests should definitely be a requirement | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately we are not there yet | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | exercise script is helping in some way | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: thanks much for your work and update on this as well! | 18:34 |
| Ajay_ | sumit: welcome | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have any updates on the functional and integration tests | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | folks, apart from Ajay_ we have a second new member to the team as well, please welcome amitbose | 18:35 |
| amitbose | Hello! | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | amitbose: Welcome! | 18:35 |
| igordcard_ | Hello amitbose! | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose is currently focussing on the ubuntu packagind and has made good progress | 18:35 |
| yapeng | amtibose: Hi! | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: last week you asked about this, i believe amitbose will be able to give an update | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose: over to you | 18:35 |
| rkukura | great! | 18:35 |
| amitbose | So far I've been looking at build packages from stable/juno branch, but it should be pretty straight forward to port them for kilo | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose: ok | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose: and we will be posting them on the ppa? | 18:37 |
| amitbose | yeah, sure I can do that ... I will need the signing key though | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://launchpad.net/~group-based-policy-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose: ok lets discuss that offline | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amitbose: thanks for the update, looking forward to more in the coming weeks | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything at your end for the k-3 packages on fedora? | 18:38 |
| rkukura | amitbose: Lets compare notes at some point regareing Red Hat vs. Ubuntu packaging | 18:38 |
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| ransari | Hello amitbose | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes definitely, had meant to send you an email prior to this meeting on that topic | 18:39 |
| rkukura | I have not yet put much effort into updating the Fedora packages to k-3, but expect to get this done in the next couple days | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok thanks | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: did you have a question for amitbose? | 18:40 |
| rkukura | And I’d like to start looking into delorean and how that would impact us | 18:40 |
| amitbose | One question: do we need packages only the latest milestone (2015.1.0.0b3) or earlier ones as well? | 18:40 |
| Ajay_ | rkurkura: will the instructions you sent for RDO work on RHEL OSP6 | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, but that will not impact us for kilo, right? | 18:40 |
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| rkukura | probably not immediately for kilo, but I think they are working to support stable branches for k foreward | 18:41 |
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| rkukura | Ajay_: OSP6 would be similar, except that the GBP packages are not yet in the OSP yum repo, so you’d need to add the RDO repo or some other repo, or install packages explicitly | 18:42 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit has been restarted to clear an issue with its event stream. Any change events between 17:25 and 18:38 UTC should be rechecked or have their approvals reapplied to initiate testing. | 18:42 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can we capture that detail on the wiki page? | 18:42 |
| Ajay_ | rkukura: can we get the right repo to use...thats always the issue with RHEL | 18:43 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m not sure putting OSP details on the RDO wiki page is appropriate, but we can find somewhere | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:44 |
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| rkukura | The standard RDO repos work with RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora, but not necessarily with RHEL OSP | 18:44 |
| Ajay_ | rukukura/sumit: lets discuss the RHEL OSP part offline in email | 18:45 |
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| rkukura | Most likely the RDO RHEL packages will work on the corresponding RHEL OSP release, but there could be dependency issues, and it would be important to make sure RDO packages don’t have priority over supported OSP packages. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay_: rkukura: ok lets take this offline, we are begind schedule | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update on this! | 18:47 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo features | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | floating ip support: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167174 | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the exercise script is validating that this is working per the current design | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please review and comment if you have objections with this patch going forward | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | else we need to close on this soon | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Service chain driver refactoring: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:master+topic:bp/node-centric-chain-plugin,n,z | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro has been deligently pluggin away on this and updating the patches | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and it has shaped up really nicely | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets provide the review support for this as well | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and try to close on this at the earliest | 18:50 |
| igordcard_ | I haven't yet had a chance to calmly review all the latest patches on that but will do it throughout today and this weekend | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Hopefully I'll be able to provide a driver for testing it soon | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: yes being calm is important, its a lot of stuff :-) | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | igordcard_: thanks! | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: my assumption is that we will at least have a heat-based driver to test the basic integration with the neutron services like before? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so that our exercise scripts can be used to validate that | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I thought magesh is working in something heat based | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: so I thought I would do the Nova driver instead | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: which will also make proper use of the plumber and should nicely integrate with igordcard_ work | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: songole: so magesh is working on porting the appliance driver for the neutron services? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:52 |
| igordcard_ | yep | 18:52 |
| igordcard_ | what is the current date for the final kilo-gbp? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-gbp-plan seems to be outdated | 18:53 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: not sure. will find out. | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: you need to rebase your patch? | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: we are looking at Kilo release for the end of this month latest | 18:53 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: started reviewing the patches. Hope to complete over the weekend. | 18:53 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: probably, I had already rebased it once, but it should be no problem in its current state | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will try to get into the RC phase in about 10 days time frame | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:54 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: okay, thanks, will write that down on calendar | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which means that we need all this reviewed at the earliest | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any thoughts/comments/objections on either of the above features being discussed? | 18:55 |
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| ransari | <sumit> Magesh will start work on porting appliance to service-node model sometime next week | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update and the fantastic work so far! | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: next week??? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: lets discuss offline | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | There was one more feature I wanted to discuss, but I guess I'll send out an email instead | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to be able to validate that all this works end-to-end, and without a driver how do we do that? | 18:56 |
| ransari | sumit: once service refactor review is cmpletd and merge to kilo is done | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ok, you can summarize here | 18:57 |
| ransari | sumit: we can discuss offline | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Given how many operations we issue in the backend (postcommit), I believe it's critical for usability to move our project towards a promise theory approach | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: i would have preferred to see the driver in place in parallel, since the service refactor work does include the refactored reference driver | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | But even before doing that, having an asynchronous backend is critical | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, okay so thats a longer discussion ;-) | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: it is :) | 18:58 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: Do you feel TaskFlow is up to the job for this? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for bringing it up | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: definetively, but I think we need a solution for Kilo | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i would assume we use it to realize the async | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hmmm, kilo might be challenging, but perhaps you have thought through this | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets discuss offline until next meeting | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: otherwise usability will not be great (or even fair) | 18:59 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Liberty features | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty features (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:00 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i trust the other folks - yapeng, yi are working in parallel on the kilo features | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will get spending more time on those once the kilo backlog is cleared | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so we are out of time for today | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any parting thoughts? | 19:01 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: Lets discuss async/TaskFlow tomorrow if possible. | 19:01 |
| igordcard_ | liberty features: probably that drag-and-drop SC UI, but for kilo most likely not | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: yes! | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yes, the renaming! | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gbp-rename-proposals | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: yes that for kilo | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, thanks for the reminder | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | here are a bunch of proposals | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I'm very sad about "Meta" and | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | "Regi'a | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | being unusable | 19:02 |
| igordcard_ | I still like intento | 19:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I'll start a poll today | 19:03 |
| igordcard_ | ivar-lazzaro: cool | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets hold on the poll | 19:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hopefully we'll have a decision by next week (or before Kilo closes) | 19:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: why is that? | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: give people some time to thing | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | think | 19:04 |
| rkukura | Why not rename in liberty at the time we become a standalone server? | 19:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | (by the way I wonder who proposed "Membrane"... It reminds me of something :) ) | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would prefer to get people focussed on getting kilo done first | 19:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: fair enough | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i proposed membrain | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | note, its not membrane ;-) | 19:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: lol :D! was the Embrane reference intended? | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: it might seem like, but no :-P | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright, lets wrap it up for today | 19:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the company name actually derives from membrane... But we digress | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i would image :-) | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:05 |
| songole | bye | 19:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | adieuuu | 19:06 |
| igordcard_ | bye all | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 19:06:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:06 |
| rkukura | bye, and thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-04-18.02.html | 19:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-04-18.02.txt | 19:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-04-18.02.log.html | 19:06 |
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| megm | Hello, HA people! | 20:00 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, howdy | 20:01 |
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| mattgriffin | 1 sec... gotta refresh on the meetingbot commands | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 20:03:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | ok... and now the agenda | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | megm, seen any others around lately? | 20:04 |
| megm | Noone I recognize but I'm hoping your email may bring in some new people | 20:05 |
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| mattgriffin | ack | 20:06 |
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| megm | Who is here for the ha-guide meeting? | 20:09 |
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| * mattgriffin scans list of people in this channel | 20:10 | |
| megm | I see that merged material now appears at http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/ | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | yeah. that's really cool! | 20:11 |
| megm | It will be cooler when we get some more stuff merged ;-) | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ok to hang here for a little while longer? if no one else shows up, i'll send our usual attendees a note about the plan we discussed (that I included in my docs email about an hour ago) | 20:13 |
| megm | I'm good with hanging and waiting a bit... | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 20:14 |
| * mattgriffin takes a look at pending reviews :) | 20:15 | |
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| mattgriffin | megm, are you still noting here (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps) where you are in the docbook->rst conversion process? | 20:17 |
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| megm | Yes. | 20:17 |
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| megm | I didn't accomplish a lot yesterday, alas... | 20:18 |
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| mattgriffin | :) | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | but you need a few reviews here? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+ha-guide,n,z | 20:19 |
| megm | Yes. | 20:19 |
| megm | I was hoping that Shilla would join us -- she did the merges that are there. | 20:20 |
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| megm | Do you have the names of the five people who showed up in Vancouver in the afternoon? | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | i do not. had already left the room ... maybe in email | 20:21 |
| * mattgriffin checks | 20:21 | |
| megm | You can look at the Comment history on the merged CRs and get some names, too. | 20:22 |
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| megm | Radoslaw (Radek) Smigielski, Mark Muehl, Shilla Saebi... | 20:22 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, gotcha. found the email thread | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | i'll include them in the message I send out directly to the team | 20:24 |
| megm | Radek has recent contribs to the XML version. | 20:24 |
| megm | Also Christian Berendt -- recently contributed info about how to install RabbitMQ on openSUSE | 20:25 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, ok. let's call it. i'll send out an email directly to the group to keep them in the loop. | 20:26 |
| megm | Sigh. Okay, and I'll get back to converting the docs. | 20:26 |
| mattgriffin | ok. thanks. ttyl | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 20:27:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:27 |
| megm | have a great week! | 20:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-04-20.03.html | 20:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-04-20.03.txt | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | you too | 20:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-04-20.03.log.html | 20:27 |
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