| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 00:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 00:00 |
| elmiko | hey | 00:00 |
| etoews | well hello | 00:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 00:01 |
| etoews | yay! | 00:01 |
| etoews | one sec. i have to pull some brussel sprouts off the bbq. | 00:02 |
| elmiko | nice | 00:02 |
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| etoews | alright. that takes care of the first agenda item. | 00:03 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:04 |
| etoews | #topic agenda | 00:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:04 | |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 00:04 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 00:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:04 | |
| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-02-16.00.html | 00:04 |
| etoews | ha. no action items. i remember now. | 00:04 |
| etoews | #topic dashboard | 00:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dashboard (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:05 | |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198826/ | 00:05 |
| elmiko | i like what you've done so far | 00:05 |
| etoews | okay. this one is pretty important. | 00:05 |
| etoews | thx | 00:05 |
| etoews | it's impossible to keep track of where guidelines are in the merging pipeline | 00:05 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:06 |
| etoews | we need this dashboard to show that at a glance. | 00:06 |
| alex_xu | how to use that? | 00:06 |
| etoews | alex_xu: 1 sec. | 00:06 |
| elmiko | i think we might also need an indicator of when a guideline is ready for freeze | 00:06 |
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| etoews | git clone https://github.com/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator.git | 00:07 |
| etoews | cd gerrit-dash-creator/ | 00:07 |
| etoews | git review -d 198826 | 00:07 |
| etoews | ./gerrit-dash-creator dashboards/api-wg.dash | 00:07 |
| etoews | alex_xu: that's what you need to do to see it in its current state | 00:08 |
| alex_xu | etoews: thanks | 00:08 |
| etoews | i'm on a mac so i change the last line to | 00:08 |
| etoews | ./gerrit-dash-creator dashboards/api-wg.dash | pbcopy | 00:08 |
| etoews | and paste the url into my browser | 00:08 |
| alex_xu | I see now, that is used to generate url | 00:09 |
| etoews | elmiko: there's a section titled "Ready to freeze" | 00:09 |
| elmiko | ah, cool | 00:09 |
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| etoews | except it doesn't work right all of the time | 00:10 |
| elmiko | well, and my issue was more about if things have been sitting for awhile and not getting reviews | 00:10 |
| elmiko | case in point the 5xx stuff | 00:11 |
| elmiko | i was hoping for more reviews before we froze, and there are some issues coming up. but maybe that's a good thing | 00:11 |
| elmiko | i certainly needed some advice on how to improve it | 00:11 |
| etoews | elmiko: i know what you mean. can you think of a way to codify that in the dashboard? | 00:12 |
| elmiko | sadly no | 00:12 |
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| elmiko | that's the real meat of the issue, getting more involvement on guidelines that have some warts but need reviews | 00:13 |
| etoews | i expect no matter what we do we'll still need to verify what's going on in the dashboard vs what actually needs to happen. | 00:13 |
| elmiko | agreed | 00:14 |
| etoews | it'll be a judgement call | 00:14 |
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| etoews | for example, "Add generic name of each project for terms" should be in "Ready to freeze" but isn't :( | 00:14 |
| elmiko | huh, weird | 00:15 |
| elmiko | is the age parameter a "greater than" ? | 00:15 |
| elmiko | (hasn't created dashboards before) | 00:15 |
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| etoews | neither have i. that's why i could use more eyes on it. | 00:16 |
| etoews | have a look at "Merged in the past 7 days" | 00:16 |
| etoews | i use -age there to get the past 7 days | 00:17 |
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| elmiko | yea | 00:17 |
| elmiko | i'll play around with your patch a little more and give some comments on the review | 00:17 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html | 00:18 |
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| elmiko | ah, very good ty | 00:19 |
| etoews | age:'AGE' | 00:19 |
| etoews | Amount of time that has expired since the change was last updated with a review comment or new patch set. | 00:19 |
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| etoews | i really just took one of the existing dashboards and started hacking at it. it needs more work. | 00:19 |
| elmiko | well, it's a nice start =) | 00:21 |
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| etoews | so "Add generic name of each project for terms" got a +1 on Jul 7 12:23 PM | 00:21 |
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| etoews | from the definition on age there this is starting to make sense | 00:22 |
| elmiko | i'm assuming that counts as a comment | 00:22 |
| etoews | ya | 00:22 |
| elmiko | i wonder if the gerrit machines are using utc time for these calcs? | 00:22 |
| etoews | so a review has to be quiet for 2 days before it can be considered for freeze | 00:23 |
| elmiko | can we say quiet for 2 days *and* has X many +1/2s ? | 00:23 |
| etoews | hmmm...looking at https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html#labels | 00:25 |
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| etoews | i think the answer is no | 00:25 |
| elmiko | ah well | 00:26 |
| etoews | i guess i'm okay with the "has to be quiet for 2 days" thing too. | 00:27 |
| etoews | it's not exactly what's in http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html but it's not so far off either. | 00:27 |
| elmiko | fair | 00:27 |
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| etoews | i don't think "Frozen but needs feedback" is working right either. | 00:30 |
| etoews | "Should not return server-side tracebacks" should be in there | 00:31 |
| elmiko | hmm, i see that and 5xx in there | 00:32 |
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| etoews | well 5xx does have that one -1 | 00:33 |
| etoews | which is what i intended to capture with | 00:33 |
| etoews | query = status:open (label:Code-Review=-2 AND label:Code-Review=-1) | 00:33 |
| elmiko | right, but so does the other one | 00:33 |
| etoews | ya... | 00:33 |
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| etoews | oh wait "Should not return server-side tracebacks" appears in both | 00:34 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:35 |
| etoews | ah i understand now. | 00:36 |
| etoews | got the fix too. | 00:36 |
| etoews | [section "Frozen"] | 00:36 |
| etoews | query = status:open (label:Code-Review=-2 AND NOT label:Code-Review=-1) | 00:36 |
| elmiko | lol, was just wondering.. "AND NOT" | 00:36 |
| etoews | okay. i'll update it. | 00:37 |
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| etoews | elmiko: can you give the dashboard a thorough look? | 00:37 |
| elmiko | yep | 00:37 |
| etoews | thx | 00:37 |
| etoews | #action elmiko to give the dashboard a thorough review | 00:38 |
| etoews | thanks for chatting through that with me. | 00:38 |
| elmiko | np =) | 00:38 |
| etoews | #topic [Solum] Request for feedback on new API resource | 00:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[Solum] Request for feedback on new API resource (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:38 | |
| etoews | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067811.html | 00:39 |
| etoews | i keep back burnering this request for our advice/help :( | 00:39 |
| elmiko | doh! | 00:39 |
| etoews | so they've got some of their api in they spec linked to there | 00:41 |
| etoews | #link https://github.com/stackforge/solum-specs/blob/master/specs/liberty/app-resource.rst | 00:41 |
| etoews | care to take a minute to look? | 00:41 |
| elmiko | yea, looking now. this is kinda in-depth | 00:42 |
| elmiko | not sure i dig the .../workflows endpoint, but then i'm more on jaypipe's side of things with tasks as resources | 00:43 |
| elmiko | on a first pass it seems reasonable though (workflows aside) | 00:44 |
| etoews | not there yet... | 00:44 |
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| elmiko | and i'm not sure about the PATCH call, but then i'm not super familiar with the semantics around PATCH | 00:45 |
| etoews | i noticed that too | 00:45 |
| etoews | have a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183945/5/guidelines/http.rst | 00:45 |
| elmiko | lol, i knew that sounded familiar | 00:46 |
| etoews | you know, the workflows thing might be okay. | 00:46 |
| etoews | it looked like rpc to me at first too | 00:46 |
| etoews | but check out "wf_id": 34 | 00:47 |
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| etoews | it seems to be creating a distinct resource | 00:47 |
| etoews | yep | 00:47 |
| etoews | GET /apps/94cb7b89-0de8-492b-bf54-05ae96c9bd0e/workflows/37 | 00:47 |
| elmiko | ok, that makes a little more sense | 00:48 |
| elmiko | missed that part | 00:48 |
| etoews | okay. i'll reply on the ml with a couple of things. | 00:49 |
| elmiko | cool | 00:49 |
| elmiko | in general, seems sensible | 00:49 |
| etoews | i think so | 00:49 |
| etoews | #topic vacation | 00:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vacation (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:49 | |
| etoews | i'm going on vacation :) | 00:50 |
| elmiko | yay \o/ | 00:50 |
| elmiko | hope its somewhere fun =) | 00:50 |
| etoews | first headed back to canada to see friends and family and then to cancun for my brother's wedding. | 00:50 |
| elmiko | ooh, nice | 00:50 |
| etoews | i'm effectively out until august 6th | 00:51 |
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| etoews | (i'll be back for less than a week in the middle of that) | 00:51 |
| elmiko | k, we'll keep the ship tidy in your absence ;) | 00:51 |
| etoews | how did you know that was my next question? | 00:51 |
| elmiko | haha | 00:51 |
| etoews | you are a gentleman and a scholar. | 00:52 |
| * elmiko tips fedora | 00:52 | |
| elmiko | too kind sir | 00:52 |
| etoews | :D | 00:52 |
| etoews | #action elmiko to keep the ship tidy :) | 00:52 |
| elmiko | LOL | 00:52 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 00:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:52 | |
| etoews | Adding 5xx guidance, could use some clarification about issues raised on review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183698/ | 00:53 |
| elmiko | i think we might need to punt on this till more folks are around, not sure | 00:53 |
| elmiko | i'd like some thoughts on the 501 comments | 00:53 |
| elmiko | also, the idea of us duplicating information about 5xx codes | 00:54 |
| etoews | "application code" is a bit ambiguous but yes. | 00:55 |
| etoews | i still think this is an important guideline | 00:55 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm gonna change that per Jonh's suggestions | 00:55 |
| elmiko | John | 00:55 |
| etoews | johan | 00:56 |
| elmiko | hehe | 00:56 |
| etoews | anything to chat about? | 00:56 |
| etoews | alex_xu? | 00:56 |
| bknudson | would be interesting to get api wg feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192422/3/specs/backlog/policy-by-url.rst (see line 35) | 00:56 |
| elmiko | i'd really like some feedback on that barbican apiimpact linked | 00:56 |
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| bknudson | looks like an abomination to me, but the submitter likes it | 00:57 |
| elmiko | yea, that URI is a mouthful | 00:57 |
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| etoews | everyone's child is beautiful in their own eyes :) | 00:58 |
| elmiko | fwiw i think this is a useful feature | 00:58 |
| bknudson | the question is the use of query parameters on a PUT | 00:58 |
| bknudson | maybe there's already API guidelines | 00:58 |
| etoews | at this point it's probably best to throw those out on #openstack-api tomorrow and see if we can get more eyes on them | 00:58 |
| elmiko | yea, not sure about that | 00:58 |
| elmiko | i suggested something similar on a POST call for that barbican spec | 00:59 |
| elmiko | i don't see the issue with adding a query parameter though, but i might just be missing something | 00:59 |
| etoews | time | 01:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 01:00:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-09-00.00.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-09-00.00.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-09-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
| etoews | thank you! | 01:00 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 01:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | hi | 14:59 |
| regXboi | moo | 14:59 |
| john-davidge | hi | 14:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 15:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| dlundquist | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Any announcements? | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | The name for M was *almost* chosen, but not. | 15:01 |
| regXboi | but not? | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, it was rescinded yesterday | 15:01 |
| neiljerram | hi | 15:01 |
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| regXboi | what was the issue? | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m trying to find the ML link. | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | unintended negative curtural meaning, it seems | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | *cultural | 15:02 |
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| neiljerram | It was the name of a Japanese emperor who invaded Korea and other places | 15:02 |
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| regXboi | oy | 15:02 |
| neiljerram | (Hoping I'm guessing the correct conversation here...) | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: this is the M email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068935.html | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | The only bug on the list right now in bug 1404743 | 15:04 |
| openstack | bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1404743 | 15:04 |
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| vikram | Hi All | 15:04 |
| vikram | Sorry to be late:-) | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | I found that the problem still occurs but with less frequency that 6 months ago. I did not have time to look further. This is the type of thing which could have more than one cause over time. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | I did not look further in to the problem. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs to bring up? | 15:05 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1465434 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465434 in neutron "DVR issues with supporting multiple subnets per network on DVR routers - PortbindingContext does not have the status." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:05 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: if I'm not mistaken that's the bug that's had the DVR job failure rate at 99% the last month and change | 15:06 |
| amuller | I feel like the patch is not getting as much attention as it deserves | 15:06 |
| john-davidge | this might be a good place to bring up https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471316 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:06 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: But I see that you and Brian reviewed it recently so it's hard to complain :) | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks. You think it could use more attention? From reviewers or the author? | 15:07 |
| haleyb | amuller: yes, i've been reviewing it, and it still needs some more work | 15:07 |
| amuller | ok | 15:07 |
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| amuller | a lot of people are looking at the DVR job failure rate | 15:08 |
| amuller | this is almost a marketing thing at this point | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I'll add it to our wiki page, so it is visible there | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:09 |
| * carl_baldwin will step out for a moment. mlavalle to continue. | 15:09 | |
| carl_baldwin | #chair mlavalle | 15:09 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | amuller: I will add that bug to our wiki page and I'll track it continiusly | 15:10 |
| amuller | mlavalle: Thank you | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: what about that bug | 15:11 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: The consensus so far seems to be that it’s not a bug, but the original spec disagrees | 15:11 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: see my most recent comment | 15:12 |
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| john-davidge | We’re currently treating the default pool differently to any other pool, and i think that’s confusing | 15:12 |
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| john-davidge | I think that the default pool should be used in situations where the user is clearly indicating that they wish to use a pool, but they haven’t specified which one. Rather than overriding the default subnet-create behaviour when defined. | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: does that imply code change? | 15:15 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: I beleive a code change is nessessary to go back to what’s defined in the spec, yes. | 15:16 |
| john-davidge | I’ve proposed a fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198437/ | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: ahhhh, ok, let's make it sure you get reviews and try to get this to consesus | 15:16 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks :) | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: all your now | 15:17 |
| tidwellr | john-davidge: I haven't been following this closely, the None (or null) subnet pool behaves a little differently than a default pool. I'll take a look at the review. I think you'll have to default IPv4 and IPv6 to different pools if you the behavior you're describing | 15:17 |
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| john-davidge | tidwellr: There default pools for IPv4 and IPv6 are defined by separate config options | 15:18 |
| tidwellr | ok, cool. I'll take a look at the review | 15:18 |
| john-davidge | tidwellr: great, thanks | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: I’ll have another look at your comment. | 15:18 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Thanks Carl, hope I’m explaining my position well enough | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: thanks | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs to mention? | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Routing Network Segments | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196812/ | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Seems to have good consensus. Need to get implementation started. | 15:21 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: there is another spec out there that looks to have a bit of overlap | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Which one is that? | 15:22 |
| * regXboi looking for it - routed networks | 15:22 | |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: I think that's mine. | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | Actually, I was happy with the way this one and neiljerram ’s complement each other. | 15:23 |
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| neiljerram | But even if there does end up being overlap - e.g. at the API, or in implementation - I think it still works to proceed with 196812 first, and then do mine as a (possible) delta | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: +1 | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Do you have a link handy. This is a good reminder for me to revisit it. | 15:24 |
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| regXboi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198439/ | 15:24 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: Do you know what the work items are for 196812 | 15:24 |
| * regXboi found it | 15:24 | |
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| neiljerram | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198439/ | 15:24 |
| neiljerram | D'oh, sorry for duplication! | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: neiljerram: Thanks. Looks like there are more comments to read. | 15:25 |
| * carl_baldwin notices time is ticking away. :) | 15:25 | |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: there are, and I small bgp and AS lurking on the horizon :/ | 15:25 |
| regXboi | er *smell not small | 15:25 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: Yes. Main thing I'd like to ask - later - is what correct process should be. But back to your spec now! | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Even I’m a bit confused about process. Let’s talk about it when the meeting closes. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:26 |
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| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: OK, will do | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: vikram_: hi | 15:27 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:27 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | What’s the latest? | 15:27 |
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| tidwellr | I think I've a handle on how to setup callbacks on FIP associate/disassociate | 15:28 |
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| tidwellr | that will allow us to invoke RPC's on the dr_agent that will advertise/unadvertise the host routes | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Any progress on setting up a test environment? | 15:29 |
| tidwellr | yes, I've got a couple quagga instances running and I actually have a real router that I think runs BGP | 15:29 |
| tidwellr | finishing touches on it today | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: cool. Sounds like good progress. | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | definitely something to document and share around | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | taking notes as I go | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss? | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | vikram is working on the dr_agent in parallel I believe | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | nothing for me | 15:31 |
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| Vikram | tidwellr:+1 | 15:31 |
| Vikram | will post a patch soon | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram: Any thing to discuss? | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram: Great. | 15:32 |
| Vikram | nothing on this topic carl.. need to catch up :-) | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic IPAM | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: johnbelamaric: hi | 15:32 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:32 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:32 |
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| pavel_bondar | updated today #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183099/ | 15:33 |
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| johnbelamaric | I think you meant #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153236 | 15:33 |
| pavel_bondar | sorry, yes | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Just got it. I had it up when the meeting started. | 15:34 |
| pavel_bondar | and working on changes for the #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198777/ | 15:34 |
| johnbelamaric | alright looks like we may not hit PS 100 | 15:35 |
| johnbelamaric | :) | 15:35 |
| pavel_bondar | :) | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: I was just looking at your comments on 198777. | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, it looks like things are still moving. I’ll keep my eye on these patches. | 15:36 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic ML3 router plugin | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any update here? | 15:37 |
| yamahata | Hi. No much update | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: Thanks. | 15:38 |
| yamahata | Now we are giving a consideration on implementation again based on use cases | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: ack | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic DNS | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: earlier this week we merged this http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/liberty/external-dns-resolution.html | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: It is great to see it merged. | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | As far as coding for the internal side of it, I made very good progress over the past 3 days. I have all the circuit for create_port implmented from the api to the dhcp agent | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | Yesterday morning I thought that the port_update was gling to be very easy, but it turned out to be a little trickey when you combine changes in ips and dns_name | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | so I got bogged down a little bit yesterday | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | I think I have a handle on it now. Expect to push code today or tomorrow | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | and i am starting the implementation of the xternal part also over the next 2 days | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | of course I keep sheperding the nova spec as well | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | that is where I am | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I am looking forward to reviewing it. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Don’t let the nova spec slow you down. | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I won't, :-) | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Anything else? | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | that's it for me | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Address Scopes | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram: hi | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram: The patch for associated address scopes to subnet pools is coming along well, I think. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Very good progress. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/197552 | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | I also began looking at the patch for API tests | 15:44 |
| Vikram | thanks | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/198850 | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | I haven’t looked much at the CLI patches yet but I see that others have. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/address-scopes+status:open,n,z | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/address-scopes+status:open,n,z | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’m pretty close on the L3 agent implementation too. The code is working locally but some of it needs work before posting. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | That’s all I have. | 15:47 |
| Vikram_ | carl_baldwin: let me know if need help | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Vikram_: Thanks. | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic IPv6 | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: HenryG: john-davidge: others: Anything more to discuss today? | 15:49 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I do :) | 15:49 |
| sambetts | night dt | 15:49 |
| john-davidge | latest Prefix Delegation DB patch has a couple of +1s right now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697/ | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: ? | 15:50 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-instrumentation is getting fleshed out - looking for folks to review | 15:50 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: pavel_bondar: Thanks for the detailed reviews | 15:50 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: hoping to spin a draft umbrella bp sometime next week | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: I will look at it today. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: ack | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:51 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:52 |
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| haleyb | not neutron-specific, but we did just land a few changes to make devstack run over IPv6 (apis, etc), except for the OVS tunnels | 15:54 |
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| john-davidge | haleyb: cool! | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | +1. Great work! | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | I guess that’s it. Thanks all! | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | bye | 15:58 |
| neiljerram | bye! | 15:58 |
| amuller | toodles | 15:58 |
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| regXboi | oom | 15:58 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: will catch you in about 30 mins, if that's OK | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 15:58:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: ack | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-09-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-09-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-09-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| Vikram_ | bye | 15:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | I may be commuting at the time but that shouldn’t take long. | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: ^ | 15:59 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: np | 15:59 |
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| vnod | #startmeeting cloudpulse | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 16:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| vnod | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
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| vnod | hello | 16:01 |
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| vnod | ok looks like folks are busy. we can discuss in cloudpulse IRC | 16:14 |
| vnod | #endmeeting | 16:14 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-07-09-16.01.html | 16:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro igordcard_: hi | 18:00 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: hi | 18:00 |
| mageshgv | hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 18:01:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#July_9th_2015 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | update on the k-4 release, we dont have one yet ;-) | 18:02 |
| Yi_ | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi_: hi there | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are working through some of the drivers, and must-fix bugs | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, there are some pending items on the API side that we would need to fix | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions on that before we get into the regular agenda? | 18:03 |
| songole | Hello | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we dont have any criticals (there was one during the week, we will discuss in the integration tests topic) | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | other bugs we need to discuss | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:05 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I would like to discuss a few bugs that I am working on | 18:05 |
| mageshgv | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1470815 | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470815 in Group Based Policy "NCP Plugin does not handle Service chain Instance update and Spec update correctly" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay sure | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: the patch for that is: #link https://review.openstack.org/197973 ? | 18:06 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:06 |
| mageshgv | This patch handles three issues as mentioned in the commit message | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: this is a change in the southboud API to the driver | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | what kind of upgrades were broken? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | well not change, but addition | 18:08 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Not really, the change is in the plugin-drivermanager | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes, but i believe we have documented that interface | 18:09 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Actually this interface is not available in the spec | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay | 18:10 |
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| mageshgv | So this patch addresses issues with instance and spec updates | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you are right, its not the node-driver interface | 18:10 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my bad, sorry | 18:11 |
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| mageshgv | Did everyone had a chance to go through the patch ? | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: I'm doing right now | 18:12 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I just took a quick look | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: so the two main changes are: Calling the updater when a SCI classifier changes | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: and deploy/destroy nodes when they are added/removed from a spec | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: is that right? | 18:13 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: yes, thats right | 18:13 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: a couple of questions though | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: classifier_id can't be updated according to our SCI API | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: are we supporting that? | 18:14 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: right, but the classifier itself can be updated (protocol, port, direction) | 18:15 |
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| mageshgv | Also, the idea is this patch will also enable the next patch which is enabling classifier update :) | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok, I need to see what RMD does today for a classifier update | 18:16 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: In case of the classifier update, note that the classifier ID will not change in the SC instance | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yeah, I just recalled that the RMD in this case would destroy and redeploy the chain | 18:17 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | or even do nothing, I'm not sure why the nodes need to know about a classifier update... | 18:17 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I think this should be addressed the same way we address PTs added to PTGs | 18:18 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198639/ | 18:18 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | the node update API is intended to react to config updates mostly | 18:19 |
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| mageshgv | There is a follow up patch that does an instance update rather than delete and recreate the chain everytime for any updates | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i believe you are propagating the update to the classifier as an update to the node config? | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: ok but can we discuss how we want to handle specific updates? Maybe we want to address PTs added the same way | 18:20 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: No, node config is not an updateable parameter today | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: or we want to address classifier attributes update the same way we do with PTGs | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: let's find a consistent way that makes sense for both the framework and the drivers | 18:21 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Right, since classifier is an api parameter in SC instance it may have to go through API update atleast in case classifier ID changes | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: in that case yes, however we don't support that today | 18:21 |
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| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: For internal changes, I agree we should have a common mechanism | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: for a classifier attribute update though... We should choose a different path | 18:22 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | ok let's discuss this then :) maybe we setup a meeting and go through a list of updates we want to support | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | My second concern is around nodes added/removed from an instantiated spec... I'm not sure this can even work with a proper plumber the way it is | 18:23 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | the shape of the chain is changing, I'm not sure just deleting, creating and reordering some nodes will be enough | 18:24 |
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| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: This will enable any vendor drivers/plumbers to work today since we dont have a reference plumber | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but I'll drop a comment about it later, I wonder if we want to support this case from day 0 | 18:24 |
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| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: We have a requirement on this for a customer | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yeah but we have to make sure this a correct way of doing it | 18:25 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and that it doesn't break once the plumber is pushed | 18:25 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Right, A plumber which does not support this update can reject it | 18:25 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: however destroying and recreating the chain should always work | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: should we iterate from there? | 18:26 |
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| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Agree, but it would disrupt the existing services even in cases where taking down a service is not required | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | it's suboptimal but always correct, I think it's acceptable for such a complicated case | 18:27 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: if you are adding or removing a node from the chain the disruption will probably happen anyways. But I'll give more thoughts to it | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: what is the precise requirement from the user? | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | let's make sure we solve the first problem first, around the SCI updates | 18:28 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Okay, may be you can think through and get back. I would assume, in case a traffic steering component is present, it would amount to just setting up new flows | 18:28 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: We have multiple things required here | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: what about reconfiguring the nodes? some services may need their routes to be recalculated | 18:29 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: you mean a scenario where traffic steering is done by pushing routes in service VM ? | 18:30 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Just to set the context, the following are the high level requirements: 1) Rendering security groups through Firewall if there is a Firewall in the chain | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: for traffic stitching this may be needed, I guess I should start writing down a plumber spec for a better place of discussion | 18:32 |
| mageshgv | 2) Supporting Service configuration update (We would need to allow updating node config in API for this) | 18:32 |
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| mageshgv | 3) Since the customer is going to go for production, any traffic disruption may not be acceptable | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay thanks | 18:33 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: okay, that would be good | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: about requirement one: you mean pushing all the contract's rules into the FW? | 18:33 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: for all the PRSs, or just the one containing the chain? | 18:34 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Any PRSs between the provider-consumer pair which has a Firewall in chain | 18:34 |
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| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: For eg, if there are 5 allow rules and one redirect, the 5 allow rules would translate to firewall rules | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: so let's say I have 2 PTGs, and PRS A, B and C in the middle | 18:35 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: ok, but that's true only for the PRS containing the redirect, right? | 18:35 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: ok, that looks like a specific node driver problem... But it will need hooks in order to do so | 18:36 |
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| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Right | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: it doesnt seem like providing the propoer hooks to support updates is a speciific node driver problem | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv, rkukura: being the only ones that worked on a node driver so far, do you feel we should implement a more sophisticated hook mechanism? So that your node driver (or plugin) can react to different GBP changes? | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah the hooks is a framework problem | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the pushing SGs into FW rules is... This may not hold true for all FW node drivers | 18:38 |
| rkukura | hadn’t really thought about it, but maybe something like neutron’s listeners would make sense | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: that's what I was thinking | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i dont thinkg pusing SGs to FW rules has anything to do with the patches in discussion | 18:38 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Before we go into this specific customer requirement, we should also fix the missing pieces in our update workflow | 18:39 |
| rkukura | But it does seem like something in the framework might need to determine whether any node driver needs to have the chain rebuilt or not | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that's one thing mageshgv brought up in the requirements | 18:39 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: We should not silently update the DB and consider the update as done | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: yeah and adding a listener mechanism could cover that too (for classifier internal changes for instance) | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe he was enumerating the requirements, the (2) and (3) are relevant to the patches here, (1) is a use case for those | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | it seems to me that many of those requirements/holes we have, and those to come, may be solved if the driver could be invoked for any relevant change it wants to react to | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: yeah | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i would rather say that the driver can decide whether it wants to react to the change or not | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its a simple matter of adding a hook | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that's all great feedback guys! | 18:42 |
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| rkukura | If any of these updates may require rebuilding the chain, doesn’t that mean the ncp code needs to ask each driver to validate the update, indicating whether it needs the node rebuilt? Or could the node drivers subscribe to notifications of the changes and somehow trigger rebuilding the chain themselves? | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah but we need either to define a standard way to add hooks for standard changes... Or a way to simply provide a way to subscribe to any GBP change you want (which scales better) | 18:43 |
| mageshgv | rkukura: we have a validate hook already in place | 18:44 |
| mageshgv | and a driver can reject an update | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe the latter would probably amount to more discussion | 18:44 |
| rkukura | mageshgv: But that is only for updates to the servicechain resources, not to the GBP resources, right? | 18:45 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: wont the validate_update and update hook for a node driver not be sufficient | 18:45 |
| mageshgv | rkukura: Right, got your point | 18:45 |
| rkukura | Maybe node_driver should inherit from policy_driver, so it sees all the gbp updates if it cares? | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah but much less code to write in the future, especially with new requirements coming up | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: enhancements and optiimizations are a perpetual process | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: then you add the node drivers in the ML2 like call chain? | 18:46 |
| rkukura | Would it make sense to register the node_driver class as a policy_driver too, implementing both interfaces? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that seems like a reasonable idea | 18:46 |
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| rkukura | That might let the node driver reject GBP resource modifications it can’t handle, but still wouldn’t address triggering a chain rebuild if needed | 18:47 |
| mageshgv | One issue though would be that node drivers have to know too much about GBP resources. | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: we need to make sure they own at least one node affected by the change though | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yeah i agree | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: only if they want to | 18:49 |
| mageshgv | It would help the case where a single vendor implements both node driver and GBP driver | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the service chain plugin is the one that should ideally be funneling the GBP resource updates to the drivers | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | our original design goal was to keep the node drivers as much away as possible from having to interpret GBP resource semantics | 18:50 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I think I agree. | 18:50 |
| mageshgv | IMO, It would be good if we have a clear separation and not mix them together | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: this is right, also the nodes could be called only if the change is somehow affecting them | 18:51 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | but I'm starting to think that some node drivers may want to make changes based on "unpredictable" events | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you are advocating a subscriber mechanism, and i agree thats a good approack | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am also thinking that adding hooks might be a simpler first step | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | let's think about it, sometimes it's just the same amount of work given one more hour of thought ;) | 18:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | If that solution happens to be too complicated we will just think of a way for node driver developers to simply add hooks to NCP and their drivers | 18:54 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I agree, hooks might be required in the log run for some node drivers, but I think we have to fix the issues we have today urgently | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay | 18:55 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Especially the update should not be a silent one terminating at the plugin. It should atleast check if the node would handle the update | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: having another driver inheriting from NCP is always an option for velocity | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that's the whole point of having this stuff pluggable, same goes for the SG manager under review | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so does it seem acceptable to everyone here to proceed with the approach mageshgv has proposed, as think through this in parallel? | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: s/driver/plugin | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you mean plugin | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah :-) | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but ideally we would hope to not splinter as much and arrive at some good common ground | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I think we can add fast fixes for customer requirements in a separate plugin while we think for a clean framework solution | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: right, but if you need velocity you don't really have too much time to discuss a good common ground | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we spent the whole meeting today discussing this one topic ;-) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay we have one minute | 18:59 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | that doesn't look like a 1 hour matter :D | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have changed the way we are running the gate jobs | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean the integration jobs | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | now you can make the devstack cahnges in tree in your patches | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | contact me if you need more info | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone want to quickly bring up? | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay thanks everyone | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:01 |
| rkukura | I just realized I hadn’t read the log from last week - I’ll do that | 19:01 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: there was no meeting last week | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| rkukura | OK, then I won’t :) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 19:01:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-09-18.01.html | 19:02 |
| Yi | bye | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-09-18.01.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-09-18.01.log.html | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 19:02 |
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| s3wong | bye | 19:07 |
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| megm_ | Hi, Matt! | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | hi megm_ | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting ha-guide | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 20:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, how are you? | 20:01 |
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| megm_ | Doing okay -- how about you? | 20:01 |
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| mattgriffin | same. looks like a nice day outside for me in Dallas | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | anyone else here for the HA Guide meeting? | 20:02 |
| megm_ | That's always nice. It's pretty nice here in Santa Cruz, too. | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | isn't it always nice there? | 20:03 |
| megm_ | I had email from Shamail -- he's buried in some stuff so hasn't been able to do much with the ha_guide. | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | i'm kinda the same | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | but will start to carve some time out | 20:03 |
| megm_ | Yes, our weather really is pretty wonderful most of the time -- but the natives do get peeved when it goes over 80 or under 50 ;-) | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | hehe | 20:04 |
| megm_ | I have lived in Arizona, Chicago, and Florida so I have a different perspective ;-) | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | lived through quite extreme temps | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | i lived in chicago for a little while too. winter was a shock | 20:05 |
| megm_ | Any idea how we get things moving? I did find the list of doc liasons for different projects. I made the Cinder person a reviewer on that conversion CR but got nothing | 20:05 |
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| megm_ | I think Chicago summers are worse than the winters, actually, although those -80 wind chills do get your attention | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | not sure. i can check with lana and the rest of the docs team to see if they have some advice | 20:05 |
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| mattgriffin | luckily never had to endure weather that cold | 20:06 |
| megm_ | It seemed like Radek was taking off -- we both converted the same section so that was a problem but I think it's cleared up | 20:06 |
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| mattgriffin | ok. i added your latest review as "Reviewing" to the spreadsheet | 20:07 |
| megm_ | I did a couple years of grad school there so had to walk around in it. The second year, we had the biggest blizzard ever; the following year, we had an even bigger one. | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:07 |
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| mattgriffin | oops.. | 20:07 |
| megm_ | It was a little easier when I moved to the 'burbs and had a car... | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:07 |
| megm_ | Did you get any response from percona people about helping? And Nick was going to get some Mirantis people onboard but I haven't seen anything. | 20:08 |
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| mattgriffin | nothing yet. i'll poke them again... just going through some reorg stuff so might be a bit distracted | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin check with lana for any advice on growing involvement | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin check with percona on contributions | 20:09 |
| megm_ | Can you give Nick an action in re: Mirantis? Bogdan was contributing a lot in the early stages of the outline but I suspect he grew weary with the slow progress. | 20:10 |
| megm_ | But now, he can dig in any time. | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | #action nick check with Mirantis regarding contributions | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | done | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | so what do you think is left to migrate? | 20:11 |
| megm_ | Radek is not here -- I'd like to know where he is. | 20:11 |
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| megm_ | I meant what progress Radek is making and where he needs help. | 20:11 |
| megm_ | Not a lot left to migrate -- I got side-tracked by some stuff and, with nothing else happening, it was easy to stay distracted -- sorry about that ;-) | 20:12 |
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| mattgriffin | hehe... i understand | 20:12 |
| megm_ | So how do we get the "beginning" pieces put together? | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | beginning of the Guide? | 20:13 |
| megm_ | And we need an owner for nova-compute -- I think there is something I need to convert. | 20:13 |
| megm_ | Yes, the moment when "I've played around with dick-and-jane OpenStack and now I want to set up a real HA environment" | 20:14 |
| megm_ | So the planning steps, especially what hardware do I need? | 20:14 |
| megm_ | And then I guess we need to start stepping through the Install Guide and see which steps are: | 20:14 |
| megm_ | 1) Just do what's in Install Guide | 20:15 |
| megm_ | 2) Do what's in Install Guide, plus do <blah> for HA | 20:15 |
| megm_ | 3) Do <blah> instead of what's in Install Guide for HA | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | yeah. that's a good point. i can take a look at that and sketch it out | 20:16 |
| megm_ | If you can sketch it out, I can write it -- unless I get a job first ;-) | 20:16 |
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| mattgriffin | haven't looked at the install guide in a while | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | are you close? :) | 20:16 |
| megm_ | I may be, but, alas, it isn't in OpenStack space... So I need to be careful about long-term committments here... | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | understoot | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | d | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin map out the beginning part of the guide and interaction with the Install Guide | 20:17 |
| megm_ | Excellent! | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | any other burning items? | 20:18 |
| megm_ | See what Lana says about the doc liasons for other projects -- I think nova-compute, cinder, glance, swift, and maybe ceph are the top priorities | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | will do | 20:18 |
| megm_ | I don't think so -- I kind of feel like we've been spinning at this point for a while. | 20:18 |
| megm_ | Shall we call this a meeting then? | 20:19 |
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| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin check with lana about the doc liasons for other projects -- megm: I think nova-compute, cinder, glance, swift, and maybe ceph are the top priorities | 20:19 |
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| mattgriffin | nope. i think we're good | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | sorry.. yes. let's call it a meeting | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | thanks! | 20:20 |
| megm_ | Have a great week! | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | you too! | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | and good luck | 20:20 |
| megm_ | Thanks ;-) | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 20:20:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-09-20.00.html | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-09-20.00.txt | 20:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-09-20.00.log.html | 20:20 |
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