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pc_mhi mhanif16:01
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sballeo/16:01
mhanifHi pc_m:16:01
ajmillerhi16:01
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mhanifHi ajmiller:16:01
pc_mhi ajmiller: Aish sballe16:01
pc_m#startmeeting vpnaas16:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 21 16:02:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)"16:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas'16:02
pc_m#topic Announcements16:02
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: vpnaas)"16:02
pc_mDevStack plugin for VPN repo is upstreamed. Have one more commit to remove VPN setup from DevStack16:03
ajmillerpc_m that looks like nice work.16:03
mhanifpc_m: +116:03
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pc_mWorking on Grenade plugin for VPN. Creating new job for VPN Grenade tests that (I hope) will use the plugin.16:04
pc_mAny other announcements?16:04
pc_mOh and I'm still working on getting VPN functional tests working for Neutron commits. There is a problem with the current code, need to debug.16:05
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pc_m#topic Grenade plugin16:05
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pc_mHave plugin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203159/ out for review. Will be testing the plugin today.16:06
pc_mThis will allow us to test DB migrations in commits.16:06
pc_mTHere is still other work needed, as Ihar is modifying the migration mechanism.16:06
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pc_m#topic VPN Functional Tests16:07
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pc_mSo, currently, when the VPN test runs on a Neutron commit, it is using the latest Neutron code from master, instead of from the changeset.16:08
pc_mNeed to talk to dougwig on this one.16:08
pc_mIt's supposed to use the Zuul Cloner, but is not doing that.16:08
* pc_m fingers crossed that we can fix this, so that there is less breakage due to Neutron changes.16:09
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pc_m#Migration Changes16:09
pc_mIhar is working on splitting migration into safe and unsafe parts.16:10
pc_mWork ongoing, but once done, will require that future commits that have DB migration will need to be split if there are safe and unsafe parts.16:11
pc_m#topic Local Tunnel IP16:11
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pc_mCode is out for review (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199670/). Please look it over.16:11
pc_mI've tested it (including DB migration) and it looks good (including neutron-client). However, it needs to wait for grenade test working and migration changes, before it can upstream.16:12
pc_m#topic VPN with HA Router16:13
*** openstack changes topic to "VPN with HA Router (Meeting topic: vpnaas)"16:13
pc_mAnyone have an update on this one?16:14
pc_mI don't see Venkata on.16:14
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pc_m#topic Multiple Local Subnets (and endpoints proposal)16:15
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pc_mPlease look over the Developer's Reference review #link https://review.openstack.org/20063616:15
pc_mWould like to get a consensus on which proposal to use, so work can start.16:16
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pc_mAnyone have questions/concerns?16:16
mhanifI will post my comments on it16:16
pc_mmhanif: Thanks!16:16
pc_m#topic BGP/MPLS and Edge VPN16:17
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pc_mAnyone have anything on this?16:17
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mhanifBased on the revised specs published, we have started to make code changes16:18
pc_mmhanif: Good to hear.16:18
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mhanifThey will soon be checked in to the stackforge16:18
mhaniffor review16:18
mhanifThis will cover the L2VPN initially16:18
mhanifAgain, encouraging others to please post your comments on the specs16:19
pc_mmhanif: Thanks for the update!16:20
mhanifpc_m: Thanks!16:20
pc_mAnything else on this topic?16:20
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pc_m#topic Bugs/Reviews16:21
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pc_mPlease help out reviewing and looking at incoming bugs. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.searchtext=vpnaas&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field16:22
pc_m.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=&orderby=status&start=0 and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z16:22
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pc_mLet me retry that... For bugs: https://goo.gl/XNtnLX16:23
pc_mFor reviews: https://goo.gl/LxiN4E16:23
pc_mWe can surely use all the help we can get, as there are limited cores to review VPN changes.16:24
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pc_m#topic Open Discussion16:24
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vpnaas)"16:24
pc_mAnyone have anything they'd like to discuss?16:24
* pc_m I went quickly through topics16:25
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pc_mOK. Thanks for joining. We'll give back 30 mins of your day!16:27
mhanifThanks pc_m:16:27
pc_m#endmeeting16:27
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"16:27
openstackMeeting ended Tue Jul 21 16:27:34 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:27
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pc_mAish: sure16:28
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veenaHi17:07
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veenaIs congress meeting going on?17:07
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veena_Hi17:10
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veena_thinrichs: Hi17:11
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veena_thinrichs: is congress meeting going on in some other channel?17:12
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veena_Hi17:13
veena_alexsyip: Hi17:14
alexsyiphi17:14
alexsyipThe congress meeting is at a new time.17:15
veena_oh okay.17:15
alexsyip6 hours from now.17:15
veena_okay. Might not be possible to join.17:15
veena_It'll be early morning for me17:16
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veena_alexsyip: Thanks17:17
alexsyipOh sorry.  We changed the time to accomodate some poeple in asia who were attending the meeting at 2am their time.17:17
veena_alexsyip: Okay. Now, it will be 4:30am for me.17:18
veena_I'll try to attend17:19
alexsyipOk thanks.  Unfortunately, there is no perfect time for everyone.17:19
veena_yeah. that's okay.17:19
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briancurtin#startmeeting python-openstacksdk19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul 21 19:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
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briancurtinif anyone's here for teh SDK meeting, which im guessing is just terrylhowe and i, say hi19:01
terrylhoweo/19:01
briancurtin(i think everett is back from vacation later this week)19:01
briancurtinterrylhowe: all i really have is to just finalize that big tent thing and then see what we need reviews on in order to release. i still have to finish the implementation of that create-not-updating-attrs thing19:02
terrylhoweFor 0.6 the occ factory and dynamic plugins would be nice19:03
briancurtinit's a quick code change, but a bunch of tests broke19:03
terrylhowealso, if we could include my plugin example as a repo in the big tent thing, that would be handy19:03
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terrylhowehttps://github.com/TerryHowe/openstacksdk-plugin19:05
briancurtinterrylhowe: i can push a release of my rackspace plugin that works with the dynamic branch as well, i just had to update my entry points and it worked19:05
terrylhoweobviously, it might need some changes if we change the plugin architecture, but I thought that was very cloe19:05
terrylhowewell, the example is just for developers and I also wanted to use it for automated functional tests19:06
terrylhowebut it should be an official thing if we do that. OSC was looking to do the same thing, bring in a plugin example19:06
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briancurtinyeah, we should eventually have something in stackforge or something19:07
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terrylhoweat least it shouldn’t be owned by me and it should be reviewed like any other OS project19:08
terrylhowethose are details we could has Doug about though19:09
briancurtinterrylhowe: back to the big tent piece though: for the PTL slot, i'm still interested, and are you interested in running for PTL for the time between now and the next election, which i think is november (last one was may)19:12
terrylhowesure19:12
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briancurtinterrylhowe: do you happen to know who we talk to about getting an election setup? the one name i know i've seen before is a guy named tristan from enovance (or whatever they became)19:15
terrylhoweno idea Doug would know I guess19:16
briancurtinTristan Cacqueray19:16
briancurtini'll ping doug as well and see what he says and get that moving19:16
terrylhowedhellmann: around?19:17
dhellmannterrylhowe: here19:18
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briancurtindhellmann: we're about to apply for big tent and both terrylhowe and i are interested in being PTL. how should we proceed? election? if yes, how do we initiate said election?19:18
dhellmannenovance is part of redhat now19:18
dhellmannI think the infra team has docs on that19:19
dhellmannanteaya would know19:19
anteayao/19:19
anteayawhat do I know?19:20
anteayadocs for elecion?19:20
briancurtinanteaya: setting up an election between terrylhowe and i for a PTL spot on a project (python-openstacksdk) applying for big tent19:20
dhellmannanteaya: yeah, the sdk team would like to run an election as part of asking to be part of the big tent19:20
anteayastart here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Election_Officiating_Guidelines19:20
briancurtincool, thanks19:20
dhellmannanteaya: great, thanks19:20
anteayawelcome19:20
anteayahappy election19:20
terrylhowethanks19:21
terrylhowethe other less important question dhellmann is how to bring in https://github.com/TerryHowe/openstacksdk-plugin as our sample plugin19:21
terrylhoweAssuming we want a sample plugin19:21
dhellmannwere you thinking as a new repo, or in the tree with the sdk?19:21
briancurtinterrylhowe: so we have to find an election administrator. i bet we can convince sigmavirus24 to do it (hi ian, expert election administrator)19:22
terrylhowea repo19:22
sigmavirus24oh god19:22
sigmavirus24what19:22
dhellmannhttp://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html19:22
sigmavirus24briancurtin: if I don't have to use evote that's fine19:22
briancurtinsigmavirus24: PTL election (you don't have to do it, was sort of a joke)19:22
briancurtinhahahahahahhahahaha19:22
sigmavirus24Oh god19:22
sigmavirus24You reminded me I should resign19:22
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sigmavirus24Before I have to run another election =P19:23
terrylhowethanks dhellmann that should work19:23
dhellmannbriancurtin, terrylhowe : this close to what would be the normal election season, it may also be safe to just say we're going to hold one then -- I think we've approved one other project under similar circumstances right before the kilo summit19:25
dhellmanner, liberty19:25
dhellmannthe one at the end of kilo :-)19:25
dhellmannthat saves us from having to run 2 elections back to back19:25
briancurtini guess that works too...we've been officially PTL-less since the start, and if that works with the people reviewing big tent stuff, terrylhowe should we just keep going as-is and figure it out during the big election?19:26
terrylhoweyeh, sure19:27
briancurtinok, i'll denote that in the file and get it pushed into gerrit19:28
briancurtinterrylhowe: i'll take a look at the reviews for dynamic and OCC. anything else we need short term?19:30
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terrylhowehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/197741/4/openstack/auth/service_filter.py19:31
terrylhowerelated to dyn load19:31
dhellmannwe could also run one now and call it early -- I thought briancurtin was ptl :-)19:32
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terrylhowejesse noller is technically19:32
briancurtinhe created it but i dont think anyone technically ever became PTL, or at least i dont think we ever voted on anything19:33
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briancurtinterrylhowe: +1 on the provider name (from vendor). i think that colon piece is fine - it looks ok, and we have a few services that use it, but i think i looked into a different way to solve their names (but it was hacky)19:34
terrylhowethe only reason for it really is to remove the awkward : out of the name.  It doesn’t make much sense when you are using a connection I don’t think19:36
briancurtinterrylhowe: is this something that should be handled within a plugin, though? that's where i looked at solving it for our implementation of messaging, it's like rax:messaging or rax:message19:36
briancurtinso when i created my ServiceFilter subclass for MessagingService (or howeer its named), i had some dance to get that to find the right entry in the service catalog19:37
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terrylhowewell, either way, I think we should strip off the provider/vendor part, but maybe there is something else as well where the service has some attribute how it wants to be idenfied as an attribute in connection19:38
terrylhoweso that mesaging and message map to message or something like that19:39
terrylhowethat or alternate service names19:39
briancurtinas in you would have Connection.message and Connection.messaging?19:45
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terrylhowewell, if they are the same service, I’d hope they’d both map to Connection.message if that was the desired name19:48
briancurtineither way, -2 on offering the same thing in multiple namespaces. i think we can solve this through configuration, but it should never affect how you'd write code19:48
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terrylhowemaybe we could add a list of aliases to service filter19:51
briancurtini guess i'd have to see how it works. it seems like providers doing their own thing with names is something the provider's plugin should probably handle19:52
terrylhowethe whole alias thing might be more flexible, but I’d almost want to let users map some arbitrary service_type to a service we know about19:56
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briancurtindo you have an example of that? is this a rax:messaging -> messaging thing or something else?19:57
terrylhoweI was thinking maybe you’d create a service_type=messaging, aliases=[‘rax:message’, ‘rax:messaging’]19:58
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terrylhoweand we’d punt on the provider/vendor change19:58
terrylhoweI meant to say service_type=message19:58
terrylhoweno gerunds19:58
briancurtinterrylhowe: and where would this go? the alias thing is inside the SDK?19:59
terrylhoweyes, we’d have to support aliases in the service filter19:59
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briancurtini'd rather the SDK not even now rackspace exists. i think it can enable rackspace's existence, but it shouldnt solve our problems for us19:59
terrylhoweit wouldn’t20:00
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terrylhoweservice filter would just need to be modified to have aliases20:00
briancurtinbut who would enter that rax:message thing? is that included in the message classes within SDK/20:00
terrylhoweyou would when you make your plugin20:00
briancurtinah, ok20:00
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briancurtinmaybe this could work, i still need to see it, i guess. too many things around names on my mind in this area20:01
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briancurtinanyway, we're at the end of time and i have to head out of here. i'll try to look at reviews later today or tomorrow morning. i dont know that i'll have a lot of time to work on the create bug you entered until later in the week again20:02
terrylhowewell, let’s get agreement on the dyn loading first, I think we were real close20:02
briancurtinyeah, that is close20:02
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terrylhowek20:02
briancurtin#endmeeting20:02
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veenaalexsyip: Hi23:09
alexsyipHI23:10
veenaIs congress meeting on?23:10
alexsyipI think so, but I don’t see any activity23:11
alexsyipthere was some activity in the congress room.23:11
veenaOkay, is it happening in any other channel?23:12
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thinrichsHi all.  Who is here for Congress?23:13
jwyhere23:13
veenaHi23:13
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting23:13
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting'23:13
thinrichsveena: I saw that this is a terrible time for you.  Thanks for joining!23:14
RuiChenhi23:14
veenathinrichs: Yeah. :) Its 4:40am. Thanks23:14
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thinrichsveena: want to talk about your status update so you can jump off?23:15
veenaI started working on the bp - support python 3. Have submitted my 1st patch.23:15
veenaIt's in revire state23:16
veenareview23:16
thinrichsGreat!  I'll take a look at it hopefully today.23:16
veenathinrichs: Okay. Thanks23:16
thinrichsveena: anything you need from us?23:17
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veenathinrichs: I think it was a good start for me. Nothing as of now.23:17
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thinrichsok.23:18
thinrichsForgot to set the topic.23:18
thinrichs#topic status23:18
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thinrichsWe haven't done status updates for a while.23:18
thinrichsmasahito: want to tell us what you're doing?23:19
masahitook23:19
masahitoI started implementing control-for-execution bp.23:20
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masahitoI think I'll be able to submit the first patch this week.23:21
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masahitoit's all as I didn't have enough time to spend coding last week.23:22
thinrichsGreat!  Is there anything you need from us?23:23
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masahitoeverything is ok now.23:24
masahitoOops. and I submitted an abstract of congress for Tokyo summit  :)23:24
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thinrichsRuiChen: want to do a status update?23:25
thinrichsmasahito: great!23:25
RuiChenpep8 H302 patch done, version list API done23:25
RuiChenI plan to start congressclient part of version list API23:26
thinrichsNice.  Anything you need from us?23:26
RuiChenand that bug I refer to last week23:27
RuiChenno, everything is ok23:27
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thinrichsjwy: how about you?23:28
jwyi think i missed last week's meeting, so might be repeating this - Yali gave a demo of the simplified policy rule creation ui23:29
jwythere's some overlap with the existing ui, so need to work with her on either differentiating them more or consolidating into one23:29
jwyalso been talking with some murano/horizon folks who have written a ui framework called merlin, which they're using for ui workflows23:30
jwythey think we might be able to use merlin for the congress ui23:30
jwythat's all i have for now23:31
thinrichsok: I think it's important that we understand the differences between the two UIs.23:33
thinrichsEspecially from the user's perspective.23:33
thinrichsalexsyip: how about you?23:35
alexsyipI haven’t had time to do much work on Congress this week.23:35
thinrichsOK.23:38
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veenathinrichs: I couldn't pass through that error while running tests in py34 env. It fails to install yaql package. So it doesn't run any tests and fails at installing the requirements.23:38
thinrichsveena: do you have a URL/pointer to the error?23:39
veenahttp://logs.openstack.org/19/204019/2/check/gate-congress-python34/4e188ae/console.html23:39
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veenathinrichs: this is the same error you were discussing last week.23:39
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thinrichsThat looks new to me.  I don't remember discussing it last week.23:41
thinrichsAnyone know what's going on?23:41
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thinrichsDo we have all the outstanding requirements.txt updates merged?23:42
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RuiChenI have no idea about this error, UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 975: ordinal not in range(128)23:43
thinrichsLet's all take a look at this and help veena out after the meeting.23:44
RuiChenlooks strange23:44
veenaI think python-muranoclient requires yaql, which fails to get installed in py34 env23:44
veenaOkay. thanks23:44
thinrichsveena: you're right—the question is why.23:44
thinrichsDoes anyone else have a status update?23:45
RuiChenyep, it's imporant for py3 BP23:45
zhenzanz@Tim I am working on action listing23:45
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zhenzanzand tempest ha issue23:46
thinrichsThe tempest ha issue is important so we can start gating on tempest tests again.23:46
zhenzanzbut it depends on two tempest patches23:46
thinrichsThe action-listing is also important for helping people understand what they can do with action execution.23:46
zhenzanzI don't see anyone reviewing them yet.23:47
zhenzanzyes, I will send the second patch for action listing this week23:47
thinrichszhenzanz: patches for the actual tempest repo, or patches to our contrib dir?23:47
zhenzanzactual tempest repo and tempest-lib repo23:47
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zhenzanzalso one for our contrib dir23:48
zhenzanzand I saw you have comments on it23:48
thinrichsGreat!  Let me know if you want me to look at the tempest/tempest_lib changes.23:49
thinrichszhenzanz: anything you need from us?23:49
zhenzanzno more now, thanks23:49
thinrichsAnyone else with a status update?23:50
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thinrichsI'll go.23:51
thinrichsI started working on completing the work started here:23:51
thinrichshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/176497/23:51
thinrichsto extend the policy language to enable statements like….23:51
thinrichsinsert[p(x) :- q(x)]23:51
thinrichswhich is mainly useful for the simulate() functionality.23:52
thinrichsIt seems it will require a new syntactic datastructure.23:52
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thinrichsWhich may mean substantial changes to the Datalog engine.23:52
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thinrichsI'm still investigating but will let you all know what I find.23:53
thinrichsLet's switch to an open discussion.23:53
thinrichs#topic open discussion23:53
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RuiChen#176497 huge patch... 4000 LOC23:54
masahitohow does insert[p(x):-q(x)] work?23:54
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thinrichsRuiChen: most of that is auto-generated; we checked the generated code into the repo.23:55
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thinrichsOtherwise you need java to generate the code.  Much debate.  This seemed the simplest.23:55
thinrichsmasahito: it's just a way of representing the operation that inserts the rule 'p(x) :- q(x)' *within* the language.23:55
RuiChenthinrichs:  there are any doc describe the datalog engine how to work in congress?23:55
thinrichsThen for simulate, you can run….23:56
thinrichssimulate <update-sequence> <query>23:56
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thinrichswhere <update-sequence> is a string representing the sequence of changes of rules and data that we want to apply before answering the query <query>23:56
thinrichsRuiChen: check our docs23:56
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RuiChenthinrichs: yep, I read it yet, I meams how to generated from java code?23:58
thinrichsRuiChen: run 'make code' from the congress directory.23:58
thinrichs1 minute left.23:59
RuiChenthinrichs: ok, I found it, thinks23:59
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