| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 00:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 00:00 |
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| elmiko | any APInauts around? | 00:01 |
| elmiko | last call for api-wg meeting... | 00:05 |
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| elmiko | gonna close the meeting if no one speaks up | 00:09 |
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| elmiko | #endmeeting | 00:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zuul jobs are currently stuck while problems with gearman are debugged" | 00:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 00:10:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-23-00.00.html | 00:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-23-00.00.txt | 00:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-23-00.00.log.html | 00:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:59 |
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| neiljerram | Afternoon all! | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 15:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| vikram | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Liberty-2 is right around the corner. It always comes so quickly. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 15:01 |
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| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Liberty-3 is around the end of September. New functionality needs to be merged by then. | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | Looks like IPAM will all be in in time for L2 :D | 15:02 |
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| yamahata | hello | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | Well done everyone | 15:02 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | *merged* which means it should be posted for review long before and working. | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Also, I’m going to be on vacation with my family starting today and going through next week. | 15:03 |
| johnbelamaric | john-davidge: yes, it's been a long journey. thanks to pavel_bondar especially since he did all the work :) | 15:03 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: have a great vacation, well deserved! | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: +1 | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Great work on IPAM. We hit a great milestone with that work. | 15:04 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: indeed, happy vacation! | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Anywhere nice? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | With my wife’s family in Kentucky. It can be nice there. | 15:05 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin and johnbelamaric without your wise reviews and ideas I think it would take much more time, thank you! | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | I intend to read the ML and do a review here and there. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471316 is the one I’d like to talk about. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ve been trying to convert myself to this bug’s point of view. | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: How can I help to convert you? :) | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m still hung up on on the fact that the mere presence of a cidr in the request will change what subnet pool will be used. In Liberty, this will also have implications on what address scope will be used. | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | It seems to add a dimension to the request that is surprising. | 15:09 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: The impact of the presence of a cidr is documented in the subnet allocation spec, so it seems to me that that was the intention from the beginning | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: That was a mistake, actually. | 15:09 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: I guess my main point with rasing this issue is that the current behaviour is unpredicatable from the user’s POV. Requesting a subnet with a CIDR but no subnetpool | 15:10 |
| john-davidge | ... | 15:10 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: subnetpool_id yields a different result depending on whether the admin has set a default subnet pool | 15:11 |
| john-davidge | which the user doesnt know until they make the request | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | isn't that the point with prefix delegation though? | 15:11 |
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| john-davidge | the result being that ALL subnet-create requests intending to use the implicit pool have the include subnetpool_id = none | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: It sounds like the real problem is with the design of the default subnet pool config option and its affect on the API. | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: What you say is true with or without a cidr specified that the user will not know whether the admin has set a default. | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Yes, it looks like the default pool is currently treated as the new implicit pool if it is set, rather than the default pool to be used when the user expresses their desite to use a pool without specifying which one | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Yes, but not specifying a CIDR is a clear indication that the user doesn’t wish to use the implicit pool. | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Whereas prividing one seems ambiguous at best | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | tidwellr: Could you expand on that? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: Did you mean to say “… that the user does wish to use the implicit pool” | 15:15 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: No. implicit pool != default pool | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: I think that specifying cidr is independent of specifying the subnet pool. I think it would be a mistake to try to infer the user’s intent around subnet pools from the presence of a cidr. | 15:16 |
| tidwellr | john-davidge: my understanding is that the idea with prefix delegation is to effectively replace the implicit pool with an explicit pool under the hood | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: I know that but I thought maybe you wanted “does” instead of “doesn’t” since your proposed solution seems to fall back on the implicit pool when the user does not specify cidr. | 15:17 |
| john-davidge | tidwellr: No, we’d don’t want to remove the users ability to use the implicit pool. Only give them the added option of using PD if they aren’t concered with the CIDR they get | 15:17 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: The opposite actually. The implicit pool is used when the user provides a CIDR. Otherwise the default is used. | 15:19 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: This allows existing subnet-create calls to function when a default has been set | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: okay. I did read it wrong. You’re right. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | I actually read “Yes, but specifying a cidr…” Sorry. | 15:20 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: no worries :) | 15:20 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: I guess my main point is that I don’t think defining a default pool should break the existing behaviour. If the user doesnt specify a cidr then they are clearly deviating from the legacy API and can be assumed to understand subnetpools. | 15:21 |
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| tidwellr | john-davidge: the implicit pool doesn't allocate CIDR's, you must specify a CIDR when using the implicit pool | 15:23 |
| john-davidge | tidwellr: Yes, and that’s my point. If the user specifies a cidr but not a subnetpool then I think we should assume they wish to use the implicit pool. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | I agree that the wisdom of the default pool config should be called in to question. | 15:24 |
| john-davidge | tidwellr: whether a default pool is set or not | 15:24 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Yes. at the moment the default overrides the implicit, which I think was a mistake. | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | john-davidge: I think I understand you now, I agree that the default pool config could use a little more thought | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we should consider deprecating it. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | We’ve used a lot of meeting time. Let’s move this to the ML. I’ll add another note to the bug. | 15:26 |
| john-davidge | Sure | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Routed network segments | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: ijw_: Around? | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t know if we want to use meeting time for this | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, I wanted to point out the discussion on the ML about this. It will take some time to work out a way to model this that is acceptible to the community. | 15:30 |
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| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: yes, seems like it | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: this is the email thread: https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg58876.htm | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I also posted it in the wiki page | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks for the link. | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | Let’s keep it on the ML for a little while longer. I’m going to attempt to break it in to a couple of topics to focus the discussion a little better. For example, how Nova and Neutron will work together to schedule. Also, how to model the segment in Neutron. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | This will likely have a big effect on BGP but I think we can still make some progress on BGP. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: vikram: hi | 15:33 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:33 |
| vikram | hi | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | I sense there is really good progress being made on this from some private reports I’ve heard from you both. | 15:34 |
| vikram | yes. major hurdles with agent scheduling and driver crossed :-).. it's working fine.. | 15:35 |
| tidwellr | yes, we've got server-side working pretty well and the agent side working pretty well and just need to bring them together with RPC implementation | 15:35 |
| vikram | +1 | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Very cool! | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Any reviews or anything to bring up to the team? | 15:36 |
| vikram | i want to finish the testing and then post patches | 15:37 |
| vikram | will submit next week about agent_schld and driver | 15:37 |
| vikram | +cli | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | I've a got a new patch set for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/ marinating in my sandbox | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | discovering what routes to advertise is proving to be a challenge, the good news is that it really comes to down to filling out DB queries inside a small handful of methods, not a lot of code | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: +1 I kind of knew it would be a challenge. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: vikram: We’re looking forward to the updated reviews. Please send me (and others interested) a quick ping when they’re up. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic IPAM | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IPAM (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:40 | |
| vikram | carl_baldwin:sure | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: pavel_bondar: hi | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | I'm having to create 2 different service plugin implementations, 1 that's basic and works with all Neutron plugins, and 1 that's optimized for ML2, look for it in the next patch set | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Again, great job. We’ve hit a great milestone. | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | looks like we are having an issue in the gate though | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | it *looks* similar to | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1434278 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1434278 in neutron "spurious UT failure 'L3_ROUTER_NAT' keyerror" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | which was fixed back in March | 15:40 |
| johnbelamaric | we are consistently getting that KeyError | 15:41 |
| johnbelamaric | can't see what it has to do with our code though | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: ack, the ML2 optimized one because of the tangled nature of DVR and ML2. | 15:41 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: did you find anything suspicious? | 15:42 |
| pavel_bondar | nothing about this error | 15:42 |
| pavel_bondar | but also we have second issue with py34 tests | 15:42 |
| pavel_bondar | and found something about this one | 15:42 |
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| pavel_bondar | error appeared in the morning today after merging commit that enables more tests to run | 15:43 |
| pavel_bondar | and error we have is not | 15:43 |
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| pavel_bondar | sorry, not finished | 15:44 |
| * carl_baldwin was hoping the patch had just merged. He didn’t confirm. :( | 15:44 | |
| pavel_bondar | test_ipam_pluggable_backend was added to py34 today in the morning, but our patch adds more tests to that, which are not py34 compatible | 15:45 |
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| pavel_bondar | possible fix for this area is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203691/ | 15:45 |
| john-davidge | pavel_bondar: Ah, I guess that expalins it then | 15:46 |
| pavel_bondar | but probably more simple fix is turn off py34 tests back for new ipam tests, unless 203691 is merged | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: It is merged. | 15:47 |
| pavel_bondar | sorry, wrong id | 15:48 |
| pavel_bondar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204791/ | 15:48 |
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| pavel_bondar | and yeah, right now it has failures for jenkins, so I don't expect it will be merged soon | 15:49 |
| pavel_bondar | Issue in py34 tests I see is: TypeError: You cannot set Response.body to a text object (use Response.text) | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Thanks for your persistence. | 15:50 |
| pavel_bondar | and 204791 stands for fixing that | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: That makes sense. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll keep this review up along with yours and watch it. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss in this meeting? | 15:51 |
| johnbelamaric | should we disable py34 tests for ipam for now and add another patch to re-enable after the other fix is in? | 15:51 |
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| johnbelamaric | to break the dependency | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: It won’t hurt to floating that in a patch. To me, it seems reasonable. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | We’re 8 minutes to the end of the meeting. I wanted to hit DNS. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic DNS | 15:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: hi | 15:53 |
| johnbelamaric | ok. then just have to figure out the KeyError, don't suppose anyone has ideas on that | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I re-implemented the internal dns with the "data base light' approach we discussed last friday | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Is it on gerrit? | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952/ | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | i got stuck with some alembic issues earlier this week | 15:54 |
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| mlavalle | but yesterday i had a nice conversation with kevinbenton, and i think i figured it out | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | i will confirm with HenryG the solution as soon as we finisg this meeting | 15:55 |
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| mlavalle | and i think i will have this working at the end of the day or tomorow | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Great. | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | it boils down to only adding dns_name to the ports table | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | moving all the dns 'computation' to the server, deriving all the data from the dns_label field | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | dns_name ^^^^ | 15:56 |
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| mlavalle | and i'm starting the externasl side as well | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | so that's my status today | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: So, a dns_name is essentially what will come from Nova’s hostname, right? Could be a DNS label, PQDN, or FQDN, right? | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | right | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That sounds about right to me. | 15:58 |
| * carl_baldwin encourages reviewers to review. | 15:58 | |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:58 |
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| mlavalle | that's it ffrom me | 15:58 |
| vikram | Address scope patches are under review | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram: Thanks. We didn’t quite get to that topic. I’ve been derailed on network segments. I need to get the rest of my implementation up on gerrit too. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| vikram | ohh | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 16:00:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-23-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| vikram | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-23-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, everyone. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-23-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| neiljerram | bye | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: enjoy your vacation | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 16:00 |
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| j^2 | :D | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So docaedo is not here and the meeting is apparently canceled, rigth? | 17:06 |
| j^2 | looks like it | 17:07 |
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| sgordon | guess so | 17:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: rkukura ransari igordcard_: hi | 17:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 17:59 |
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| ransari | hi | 17:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 18:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#July_23rd_2015 | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | update on the kilo release - its still in the works | 18:00 |
| Yi | Hi | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are making good progress with the outstanding items | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi! | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but it might take a little longer to fix some of the outstanding issues | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will evaluate early next week as to what date we want to do the release | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions/comments? | 18:01 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Approximately when is the release planned as of now | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: at this point, its at least a week out | 18:02 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: if there are any concerns with the time frame, please let me know | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and/or we can discuss here | 18:03 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: No concerns as such, but we might have to revisit the bugs and prioritise any important ones | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: bugs are prioritized to a large extent | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: some of those we need to fix before the release | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | others we can backport | 18:04 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Okay | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: can have an offline discussion if you are at a point where you want to start knocking off the bugs from the list | 18:05 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | talkkng about bugs | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | no criticals on the server side, but there is one which is on the UI side | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in stable/juno | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy-ui/+bug/1476866 | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476866 in Group Based Policy UI "Create member is broken in stable/juno" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to ank (ank.b) | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | fix has been posted but we are having problems with the py27 gate: #link https://review.openstack.org/204507 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other that that, are there any importants bugs that anyone wants to discuss in the meeting here? | 18:07 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: There is one more critical issue that I found on UI yesterday | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *important | 18:07 |
| mageshgv | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy-ui/+bug/1477064 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477064 in Group Based Policy UI "Updating any resource does not work for non-admin user" [Undecided,New] | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes i saw that | 18:08 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: This blocks us from using any of the update operations from UI today | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: we actually had a bug for that earlier as well | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | trying to find the link | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: but agree we have to fix this asap - the idea would be to update only the attributes that are changed in teh form | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy-ui/+bug/1465345 | 18:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465345 in Group Based Policy UI "Edit PTG form has limited usability" [High,Confirmed] | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ^^^ but i agree that this is an issue across, so i will dup the above to your bug | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: are you or ank planning to work on this issue? | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Ah, I didnt notice this. | 18:11 |
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| mageshgv | Ankaiah may work on this, but at this moment it is not clear, may be ransari can update on that | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ok, i will check off line | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ank is actually working on a couple of other bugs too | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i think he might be able to get to this after those | 18:12 |
| ransari | mageshv: we will have to close off internally on this | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we want to discuss? | 18:12 |
| mageshgv | ransari: okay | 18:13 |
| ransari | U support for external policy needs to be priortized as well | 18:13 |
| ransari | I don't hae the link right now | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: yeah it doesnt exist | 18:13 |
| ransari | clarification: UI support for external policy | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: that and service profile are other critical bugs on the UI | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but currently no one signed up for fixing those | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs? | 18:15 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: will update you w.r.t sign up for those two | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: great, thanks! | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Testing | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I was able to do a run of the Rally tests in the gate from this repo: #link https://github.com/group-policy/rally/tree/dev | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | see the result: #link http://logs.openstack.org/63/202263/9/check/gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-functional/0d61896/console.html | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i tried concurrency of 10 for creating every resource | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | currently no failures | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you will have to scroll somewhere in the middle of the log to see the rally results | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Any clue what to search for? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah - “Response Times (sec)" | 18:18 |
| rkukura | Are these all with 10 concurrent requests? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so at this point i am inclined to submit an infra patch to add an addtional job to run these tests on every patch | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is my understanding, but i am in the process of checking with Ajay that the concurrency parameter did actually take effect as expected | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are two parameters, concurrency and count - the latter being the number of times you want to run | 18:20 |
| rkukura | ok, thanks | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: Can we have those tests in tree? | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | or it would need more work? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: there are some changes that Ajay had made to the rally code base to be able to run these tests | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so there are changes in that repo beyond just adding the tests that are required to run these tests | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so the long term goal is to upstream those changes to rally itself | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but until then we can still run these tests in teh current way | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we could copy over just the tests to our tree, but we would still need the other repo to run them | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: but we can check with Ajay if he is comfortable checking in the just the tests into the gbpservice tree | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I'm giving a look at the tests | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and the framework seems really nice | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was also tempted to add these tests just as a part of the same integration job, since it already installs devstack | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | shouldn't be hard to write scenario tests when you commit a patch | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | if we had this in tree I feel that we could add many more tests over time | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: by looking at how these tests are written, we can replicate for new features/additions | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, i agree, that was is indeed the plan or record, this is an intermediate step to get to that point | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | * plan of | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so let me know if anyone has thoughts around making this part of the same integration job or running a completely new job for these | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Not sure I understand the success criteria though | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: it will tell you what percentage of the iterations failed | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: what is a failure? an exception? a result different from 20X from the APIs? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, an error or exception condition | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so initially this test job would be non-voting if we create a separate job | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So the concurrency problem is not really investigated with this (eg. more default L3Ps created as a result of 2 EPG created) | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: it depends on how you write the test | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | creation of some resources will result in creation of other resources too, and the whole thing should happen in parallel if concurrency is configured | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I see, I've never worked with rally but this seems very good! Thanks Ajay! | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the other related item here - making the current integration job to be a voting job | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have been treating it as criteria for approving a patch | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and it has been stable for a while now | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i am proposing to make it voting | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if there are any concerns | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay so i will post the patch | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to discuss or update? | 18:33 |
| rkukura | nothing new | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: any new requirements, or anything you want to reiterate from before? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I am in the process of posting a patch which adds a little more structure to the in-tree documentation and also tries to make it consistent with the other projects | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am also hoping to have an API document in there | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once we have that, we can also madate updating the API or usability changes in the in-tree documentation along with the implementation patch that makes these changes | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that way we can hopefully always keep the documentation consistent | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if you have any ideas on this or if you disagree | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Client update | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we discussed last week about creating a stable branch for the client | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so stable/juno has been created | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can start backporting any relevant commits | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo Items | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203226 (Plumbing Terminology) | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please review the above | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: anything you would like to bring up for discussion on this? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or anyone else who has already review this | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I see there are new comments | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but I haven't read them yet | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is songole here? | 18:41 |
| songole | Yes SumitNaiksatam | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything you want to discuss regarding: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203226, you had review comments | 18:42 |
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| songole | Nothing at this time. | 18:42 |
| songole | I will catch up with ivar later today | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:43 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | yes please. The thing I'm looking at the most is new use cases or gotchas in the terminology | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we need to label services with similar plumbing requirements as much accurately as possible | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the following other patches have also been in review queue for some time - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189182, #link https://review.openstack.org/166424, #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please help review | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: anything you wanted to bring up for discussion regarding the above? | 18:45 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | there were concerns around #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189182 | 18:46 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | in the workflow especially | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | But we never got to a conclusion around how the service management PTG should be defined | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you mean how its created? | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | as far as #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166424/ is concerned | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we shouldn't merge it until rkukura driver is tested with that as a dependency | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so I'll put the WIP | 18:48 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: That, and also how is scheduled by the NCP | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I think some were suggesting to remove the new attribute, and have it explicitly set somehow during the chain creation | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, i am not sure i understand the “scheduled” terminology but i can go and check back in the review | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179327/ I think rukshana tested the patch against the Neutron fix but it's still broken | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I mean which service management PTG you use when the chain is created | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, got it | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, i recollect ransari going through that exercise a couple of weeks back | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i dont think she revisited that | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update and the summary | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any update you want to share on the nova driver? | 18:52 |
| rkukura | I’ve worked through the lockup launching a nova VM, but still not sure I understand why that was happening | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:52 |
| rkukura | Seems I need to both enable multiple api_workers and do the nova call from a separate thread. Not sure why I’d need both. | 18:53 |
| rkukura | At least I can make forward progress finally. | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:54 |
| rkukura | That’s it for now | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks, yeah that sounds wierd | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i should have a patch on the Quota support for GBP resources soon | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other feature-related items we missed out? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: i noticed you dramatically reduced the size of your patch? ;-) | 18:56 |
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| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes, it was initially based on the previous TS API, which does not apply for GBP | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: okay, hoping to see the new version soon | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: starting from scratch regarding neutron/gbp will be easier to adapt to the plumbing architecture | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: oh okay, let us know if you need any help with discussions or implementation | 18:57 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: I will :) | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: thanks | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we want to discuss today? | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks everyone! | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 18:59 |
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| rkukura | bye | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 18:59:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-23-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-23-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-23-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| megm | matt? | 19:42 |
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| megm | Not sure about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194927/ -- it looks like it was merged at 1:38 AM. I know that Jenkins has been overloaded and there is a time lag. 12 hours? maybe | 19:43 |
| megm | Let me drop a note to Andreas | 19:44 |
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| megm | brb | 19:49 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, brb | 19:59 |
| megm | #matt, Andreas says to just be patient about http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/ -- it's in the queue | 19:59 |
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| megm | Anyone here for High Availability Guide? | 20:04 |
| megm | All are welcome! | 20:04 |
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| mattgriffin | #startmeeting ha-guide | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 20:04:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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| beekhof | howdy | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | let's get started in the HA Guide meeting. who's here for that chat? | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | here's the agenda... | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | just a few things on the agenda today | 20:06 |
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| megm | Howdy, beekhof! | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | hey beekhof | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | welcome | 20:07 |
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| mattgriffin | :) | 20:07 |
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| mattgriffin | hey vnod. here for the ha guide meeting? | 20:07 |
| megm | beekhof, we appreciate it! ;-) | 20:07 |
| vnod | nope. this my IRC client logging to all channels. | 20:08 |
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| mattgriffin | vnod, ah... we welcome anyway :) | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | s/we/well | 20:09 |
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| mattgriffin | so first, both action items from last week's meeting are done | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-16-20.07.html | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-16-20.07.html | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | spreadsheet with progress is updated | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | and sent message to tell the rest of the docs team and ask for reviews help | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | next... | 20:11 |
| megm | Hooray! | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | the spreadsheet of progress... | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i had one question about the keystone content | 20:11 |
| megm | Just FYI, Jenkins is apparently overloaded so it is taking a LONG time for stuff to be processed. Andreas advises patience ;-) | 20:12 |
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| mattgriffin | ah! | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | question answered then :) | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | likely | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | so just need to keep pushing to get reviews. i can email lana again and ask her to include a note in her next Docs update email | 20:13 |
| megm | Yes, the specific question was about the Keystone piece -- it was merged almost 12 hours ago but is still not showing up in the draft ha-guide build | 20:13 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, i'll keep a look out for that update to the draft guide and update the link in the spreadsheet | 20:13 |
| megm | Okay -- I'll watch for it as well. | 20:14 |
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| mattgriffin | cool. | 20:14 |
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| megm | So, we need content. beekhof, are you interested in that? | 20:15 |
| beekhof | reviewing? | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | beekhof, yes. reviewing and submitting bugs for content to update/add | 20:16 |
| megm | reviewing, writing -- any of the above. | 20:16 |
| beekhof | i can poke around :) | 20:16 |
| megm | Wonderful! | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | excellent | 20:16 |
| megm | Which areas interest you most? | 20:16 |
| beekhof | should we talk about active/active and where pacemaker fits? | 20:16 |
| beekhof | i dont want to go off and do stuff that people fundamentally disagree with :) | 20:17 |
| megm | Pacemaker is central and crucial and the existing material certainly needs revision! | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 20:17 |
| beekhof | ok then :) | 20:17 |
| megm | I know that we have three open bugs against Pacemaker/Corosync | 20:18 |
| beekhof | because a lot of people seem to be keepalived fans | 20:18 |
| beekhof | and dont see the point of pacemaker | 20:18 |
| megm | Related bugs are sorted by topic in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:18 |
| * beekhof reads | 20:18 | |
| megm | So should we discuss both pacemaker and the keepalived options? | 20:19 |
| beekhof | i’m happy to ignore keepalived | 20:20 |
| beekhof | :) | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | is this something that was measured in the latest user survey? | 20:20 |
| megm | If both are valid, it makes sense to mention them both and perhaps summarize the considerations/arguments | 20:20 |
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| beekhof | both are valid depending on the level of risk you’re prepared to tolerate. my argument would be that many/most people choosing keepalived don’t undertsand that risk | 20:21 |
| megm | My opinion is that anyone who contributes gets to recommend what they think is correct. Others can comment or augment if they choose. | 20:21 |
| beekhof | so if we want to discuss both, there should be a discussion of risk at the start :) | 20:22 |
| beekhof | i’d like to focus on the pacemaker side of things, there are others that posses more keepalived knowledge | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | i'm in agreement with megm :) | 20:22 |
| megm | So maybe we could add a small section about keepalived that summarizes the risks and advantages of keepalived. | 20:22 |
| beekhof | sure | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 20:22 |
| megm | If a proponent of keepalived wants more coverage, they can add it, right? | 20:22 |
| beekhof | so, stupid question… how do i make changes? | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | beekhof, thanks for the help | 20:23 |
| beekhof | right | 20:23 |
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| megm | beekhof, feel free to rewrite any of this if you like -- sometimes it's easier to write it than to comment instructions that I can follow. | 20:23 |
| megm | But I'm available for any scribal services that you need | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | beekhof, just put your name as the SME for Pacemaker/Corosync in the spreadsheet | 20:24 |
| megm | If you want to do a CR with correct info and no RST coding, just make me a reviewer and add a comment that I need to grab it and code it. | 20:24 |
| beekhof | i mean even at the level of, where is the git repo :) | 20:24 |
| beekhof | this is my first contribution to the core | 20:25 |
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| megm | Aha! I'm only a couple steps ahead of you here but I should be able to help you. | 20:25 |
| megm | You can email me at DreidelLhasa@yahoo.com | 20:26 |
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| beekhof | is there a contribution process written up somewhere by any chance? | 20:26 |
| beekhof | awesome | 20:26 |
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| megm | Yes, there is a contrib process writtten up for the OpenStack docs. | 20:26 |
| megm | And ha-guide is its own repo. | 20:26 |
| megm | What kind of system do you work on? Ubuntu/RHEL/Windoze? | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | repo: https://github.com/openstack/ha-guide | 20:28 |
| megm | Thanks, Matt. I'm looking for the instructions for setting up the local doc builds and all | 20:28 |
| beekhof | I’m either fedora/, rhel or Mac :) | 20:28 |
| beekhof | ah, this looks like just the thing | 20:29 |
| megm | Here are instructions for first-timers https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo/FirstTimers | 20:30 |
| megm | As I recall, there are some holes that are covered elsewhere. | 20:30 |
| megm | I think some of those were ubuntu-specific issues -- you may do better with fedora or Mac | 20:31 |
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| megm | are you comfortable with RST? | 20:31 |
| beekhof | i’ve never used it, but how hard can it be? | 20:32 |
| beekhof | how long do reviews usually take? | 20:33 |
| megm | It has a few little quirks but it is pretty easy once you catch on to those. | 20:33 |
| beekhof | oh, and is anyone going to tokyo? | 20:33 |
| megm | Reviews are generally pretty fast. The standard is that, when we get two +1's from our team, Andreas and others get stuff merged within a few hours. | 20:33 |
| beekhof | nice | 20:34 |
| * beekhof might start small | 20:34 | |
| megm | Yeah, I have lived in a world where merges took several weeks and it was debilitating! | 20:34 |
| beekhof | so i need an RST to fix these 3 doc bugs? | 20:34 |
| mattgriffin | beekhof, yeah. start small... even look for some low hanging fruit (grammar bugs) in other Docs projects to get familiar with the process | 20:34 |
| megm | It might be a good idea to put your name next to any area you are working on here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:35 |
| megm | Ah, I see that you just did that -- great! | 20:36 |
| beekhof | first name andrew btw :) | 20:36 |
| beekhof | in case i slip and put that | 20:36 |
| mattgriffin | welcome beekhof. thanks for your future help :) | 20:36 |
| beekhof | you’re welcome :) | 20:37 |
| mattgriffin | i need to run to another meeting. any other topics to discuss? | 20:37 |
| megm | You might also want to swipe at http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/intro-ha-controller.html | 20:37 |
| mattgriffin | beekhof, please tell your friends that know the other OpenStack services | 20:37 |
| beekhof | will do | 20:37 |
| megm | This is introductory material that I think should probably be moved to the Controller section. But it might be a good place to discuss keepalived for now | 20:37 |
| beekhof | ok | 20:38 |
| beekhof | mattgriffin: i’m good | 20:38 |
| megm | Gee, I just noticed it doesn't even mention Pacemaker. Gag! | 20:38 |
| megm | My vision is that this piece should link to the sections with more info. Actually, now that we have a skeleton populated and merged, I could go in and do that ;-) | 20:39 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:39 |
| megm | Matt, how do we track the open bugs? Right now, they are in that very kludgy next-steps document | 20:41 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, hmm | 20:42 |
| mattgriffin | thought we could use a filter but might be a challenge | 20:43 |
| mattgriffin | though i think all bugs will have the url so we could filter on that | 20:43 |
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| megm | beekhof, did you see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189957/? I haven't seen activity from Radek lately -- I'll ping him when we're done. | 20:43 |
| megm | But you might want to be aware of that one ;-) | 20:44 |
| megm | Re: bugs... we need to line them up with the subject sections so that people who are working on each section can easily find relevant bugs. | 20:45 |
| beekhof | ok, i’ll look | 20:46 |
| beekhof | just filling out forms :) | 20:46 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ok. i'll look into an easy, repeatable, reliable way to do that | 20:46 |
| megm | Is CloudDon going to be coming back to us sometime? | 20:46 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin look into how to call out bugs for the HA Guide sections | 20:46 |
| beekhof | oh, thats right up my alley :) | 20:46 |
| mattgriffin | megm, don't know. haven't seen him lately | 20:47 |
| mattgriffin | i'll poke him if i see him | 20:47 |
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| beekhof | i see a few +1’s, what is left to do there? | 20:48 |
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| megm | I'd like to work with him on the intro material -- one of the bugs is from him but he could no doubt help me with the othrs | 20:48 |
| megm | beekhof, I'm not sure what the delay is there. He made changes to the unconverted docbook stuff so now that needs to be folded into the RST version. | 20:49 |
| beekhof | you really dont want to disable wait_for_all in a 2 node cluster | 20:49 |
| beekhof | its about the only thing that makes it safe | 20:49 |
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| megm | ;-) | 20:50 |
| mattgriffin | gotta run. thanks megm and beekhof !!! | 20:50 |
| beekhof | np | 20:51 |
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| megm | As a general note, it seems to me that we get way too much stuff written about 2-node clusters. This guide should target 3+-node clusters that are appropriate for production systems, then add notes with special info about the 2-node demo environments | 20:51 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 20:52 |
| beekhof | 2 nodes clusters suck | 20:52 |
| megm | beekhof, write to me if you need help getting going. I'm sure you won't pull as many stupid things as I did ;-) | 20:52 |
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| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 20:52:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-23-20.04.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-23-20.04.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-23-20.04.log.html | 20:52 |
| beekhof | my old company used to give away 2 node licences because they were considered useless except as a teaster | 20:52 |
| megm | 2 node clusters are beautiful for playing around, studying, demonstrating. But not for production! Ever! | 20:52 |
| beekhof | megm: i’ll try ;-) | 20:52 |
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| megm | Exactly! They are great for a teaser -- give them away so people can play and learn. | 20:53 |
| megm | But we need to be sure that we don't write this guide to target them -- and we have places that do that. | 20:53 |
| beekhof | yep | 20:54 |
| megm | I guess our meeting is over. Do you have what you need to get started? | 20:54 |
| beekhof | is there a non meeting channel where you guys live? | 20:54 |
| megm | We are SO glad to have you with us! | 20:55 |
| megm | Not really -- we're such a small group that we tend to just send email to each other. | 20:55 |
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| megm | But I keep this channel open all the time so if you call me out, I usually get it. | 20:55 |
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| megm | That may be something we should discuss next time -- as more people get involved, it might be a good idea | 20:56 |
| megm | So where are you? Is it the middle of the night for you? | 20:56 |
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| beekhof | megm: australia. melbourne specifically | 21:01 |
| beekhof | not too bad, 7am now | 21:01 |
| megm | Ah, so this really is a bad time for you. We do all live on the 24-hour clock these days, don't we? ;-) | 21:01 |
| megm | I really appreciate your joining us then! | 21:02 |
| beekhof | np | 21:06 |
| beekhof | you’re in the US? | 21:07 |
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| beekhof | megm: every commit needs a bug? | 22:07 |
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| megm | beekhof, it's not necessary to file a bug for each commit at this point as far as I know. We are treating this as a new document. | 22:10 |
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| beekhof | ok, so not 1:1, but all commits need to be asociated with a bug | 22:11 |
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| megm | We did include a link to the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 22:11 |
| megm | But I haven't been doing that lately and nobody has complained ;-) | 22:11 |
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| megm | I suppose there is some elegance to having the bug-to-CR correspondence... | 22:12 |
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| beekhof | i see ha-guide and high-availability-guide directories here | 22:13 |
| megm | Do you know Lana or Andreas? You could ask them about the commit-bug issue | 22:13 |
| beekhof | no | 22:13 |
| megm | high-availability-guide is the old docbook doc | 22:13 |
| beekhof | ok, so focus on the new one | 22:14 |
| megm | ha-guide is the new guide -- restructured and converted to RST and now, hopefully, to be massively updated and approved | 22:14 |
| megm | Here is the old outline we started with for the new guide -- it's fluid but gives a general idea: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 22:15 |
| megm | The big difference is that the old guide discussed active/passive components and then active/active components. | 22:15 |
| megm | The goal of the new guide is to explain how to set up an HA environment from start to finish, leveraging material in the Install Guides, which are also being revised right now. | 22:16 |
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| megm | Another group is doing massive work on the Networking Guide, and that is supposed to also cover HA issues. | 22:17 |
| megm | So this book should mention networking briefly and then link to the Networking Guide. | 22:17 |
| megm | We assume that people have already done some playing with a "basic" OpenStack environment, but they should be able to follow this guide and know what to do. | 22:18 |
| megm | But, for example, we tell them to set up NTP, but point to the Install Guide for instructions. | 22:18 |
| megm | I call this "comprehensive but not complete" writing, which is probably only clever to me ;-) | 22:19 |
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| megm | One big heads-up -- I have zero confidence that the sections in the Controller section are in the right order! | 22:20 |
| megm | But they are a stake-in-the-ground, as it were. | 22:20 |
| megm | If you find something that needs to be done before setting up Pacemaker, but discussed after Pacemaker in the guide, please move it! | 22:20 |
| megm | Once nice thing about these tools is that, in most cases, moving a section is trivially easy. | 22:21 |
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| * beekhof catches up | 22:42 | |
| beekhof | ok, makes sense | 22:42 |
| beekhof | megm: how does this look as a first patch? http://fpaste.org/247630/76912891/ | 22:42 |
| beekhof | (sanity check before i put up before a review) | 22:42 |
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| beekhof | ok, i’m confused | 22:53 |
| beekhof | megm: i added a comment to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189957/2/doc/high-availability-guide/pacemaker/section_set_up_corosync.xml,unified but it only shows as a draft | 22:54 |
| beekhof | i dont see a save button anywhere | 22:54 |
| beekhof | oh, i see now | 22:56 |
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| megm | beekhof, are you still here? | 23:45 |
| beekhof | i am | 23:45 |
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| beekhof | it seems i can’t submit anything for review until i register a mailing address, and the system for doing that is busted | 23:46 |
| megm | I saw your review for corosync/votequorum so I think you figured it out, correct? | 23:46 |
| beekhof | yep | 23:47 |
| beekhof | that part anyway :) | 23:47 |
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| megm | Do you have a Launchpad account? I think that is required and everything else works off that. | 23:56 |
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