Thursday, 2015-07-23

elmiko#startmeeting api wg00:00
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elmikoany APInauts around?00:01
elmikolast call for api-wg meeting...00:05
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elmikogonna close the meeting if no one speaks up00:09
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neiljerramAfternoon all!15:00
carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
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carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:00
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carl_baldwinLiberty-2 is right around the corner.  It always comes so quickly.15:01
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carl_baldwinLiberty-3 is around the end of September.  New functionality needs to be merged by then.15:02
john-davidgeLooks like IPAM will all be in in time for L2 :D15:02
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john-davidgeWell done everyone15:02
carl_baldwin*merged* which means it should be posted for review long before and working.15:02
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carl_baldwinAlso, I’m going to be on vacation with my family starting today and going through next week.15:03
johnbelamaricjohn-davidge: yes, it's been a long journey. thanks to pavel_bondar especially since he did all the work :)15:03
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johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: have a great vacation, well deserved!15:03
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: +115:04
carl_baldwinGreat work on IPAM.  We hit a great milestone with that work.15:04
neiljerramcarl_baldwin: indeed, happy vacation!15:04
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Anywhere nice?15:04
carl_baldwinWith my wife’s family in Kentucky.  It can be nice there.15:05
pavel_bondarcarl_baldwin and johnbelamaric without your wise reviews and ideas I think it would take much more time, thank you!15:05
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carl_baldwinI intend to read the ML and do a review here and there.15:05
carl_baldwinAny other announcements?15:06
carl_baldwin#topic Bugs15:06
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carl_baldwin#link is the one I’d like to talk about.15:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge)15:06
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carl_baldwinI’ve been trying to convert myself to this bug’s point of view.15:07
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: How can I help to convert you? :)15:07
carl_baldwinI’m still hung up on on the fact that the mere presence of a cidr in the request will change what subnet pool will be used.  In Liberty, this will also have implications on what address scope will be used.15:08
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carl_baldwinIt seems to add a dimension to the request that is surprising.15:09
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: The impact of the presence of a cidr is documented in the subnet allocation spec, so it seems to me that that was the intention from the beginning15:09
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: That was a mistake, actually.15:09
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: I guess my main point with rasing this issue is that the current behaviour is unpredicatable from the user’s POV. Requesting a subnet with a CIDR but no subnetpool15:10
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john-davidgecarl_baldwin: subnetpool_id yields a different result depending on whether the admin has set a default subnet pool15:11
john-davidgewhich the user doesnt know until they make the request15:11
tidwellrisn't that the point with prefix delegation though?15:11
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john-davidgethe result being that ALL subnet-create requests intending to use the implicit pool have the include subnetpool_id = none15:11
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carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: It sounds like the real problem is with the design of the default subnet pool config option and its affect on the API.15:12
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carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: What you say is true with or without a cidr specified that the user will not know whether the admin has set a default.15:13
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Yes, it looks like the default pool is currently treated as the new implicit pool if it is set, rather than the default pool to be used when the user expresses their desite to use a pool without specifying which one15:13
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Yes, but not specifying a CIDR is a clear indication that the user doesn’t wish to use the implicit pool.15:14
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Whereas prividing one seems ambiguous at best15:14
john-davidgetidwellr: Could you expand on that?15:15
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: Did you mean to say “… that the user does wish to use the implicit pool”15:15
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: No. implicit pool != default pool15:16
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: I think that specifying cidr is independent of specifying the subnet pool.  I think it would be a mistake to try to infer the user’s intent around subnet pools from the presence of a cidr.15:16
tidwellrjohn-davidge: my understanding is that the idea with prefix delegation is to effectively replace the implicit pool with an explicit pool under the hood15:16
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carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: I know that but I thought maybe you wanted “does” instead of “doesn’t” since your proposed solution seems to fall back on the implicit pool when the user does not specify cidr.15:17
john-davidgetidwellr: No, we’d don’t want to remove the users ability to use the implicit pool. Only give them the added option of using PD if they aren’t concered with the CIDR they get15:17
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: The opposite actually. The implicit pool is used when the user provides a CIDR. Otherwise the default is used.15:19
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: This allows existing subnet-create calls to function when a default has been set15:19
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: okay.  I did read it wrong.  You’re right.15:19
carl_baldwinI actually read “Yes, but specifying a cidr…”  Sorry.15:20
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: no worries :)15:20
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: I guess my main point is that I don’t think defining a default pool should break the existing behaviour. If the user doesnt specify a cidr then they are clearly deviating from the legacy API and can be assumed to understand subnetpools.15:21
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tidwellrjohn-davidge: the implicit pool doesn't allocate CIDR's, you must specify a CIDR when using the implicit pool15:23
john-davidgetidwellr: Yes, and that’s my point. If the user specifies a cidr but not a subnetpool then I think we should assume they wish to use the implicit pool.15:23
carl_baldwinI agree that the wisdom of the default pool config should be called in to question.15:24
john-davidgetidwellr: whether a default pool is set or not15:24
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Yes. at the moment the default overrides the implicit, which I think was a mistake.15:25
tidwellrjohn-davidge: I think I understand you now, I agree that the default pool config could use a little more thought15:25
carl_baldwinI think we should consider deprecating it.15:25
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carl_baldwinWe’ve used a lot of meeting time.  Let’s move this to the ML.  I’ll add another note to the bug.15:26
carl_baldwin#topic Routed network segments15:27
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carl_baldwinamuller: ijw_: Around?15:29
carl_baldwinI don’t know if we want to use meeting time for this15:29
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carl_baldwinBut, I wanted to point out the discussion on the ML about this.  It will take some time to work out a way to model this that is acceptible to the community.15:30
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neiljerramcarl_baldwin: yes, seems like it15:31
mlavallecarl_baldwin: this is the email thread:
mlavalleI also posted it in the wiki page15:31
carl_baldwinThanks for the link.15:31
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carl_baldwinLet’s keep it on the ML for a little while longer.  I’m going to attempt to break it in to a couple of topics to focus the discussion a little better.  For example, how Nova and Neutron will work together to schedule.  Also, how to model the segment in Neutron.15:32
carl_baldwinThis will likely have a big effect on BGP but I think we can still make some progress on BGP.15:33
carl_baldwin#topic BGP dynamic routing15:33
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carl_baldwintidwellr: vikram: hi15:33
carl_baldwinI sense there is really good progress being made on this from some private reports I’ve heard from you both.15:34
vikramyes. major hurdles with agent scheduling and driver crossed :-).. it's working fine..15:35
tidwellryes, we've got server-side working pretty well and the agent side working pretty well and just need to bring them together with RPC implementation15:35
carl_baldwinVery cool!15:36
carl_baldwinAny reviews or anything to bring up to the team?15:36
vikrami want to finish the testing and then post patches15:37
vikramwill submit next week about agent_schld and driver15:37
tidwellrI've a got a new patch set for marinating in my sandbox15:37
tidwellrdiscovering what routes to advertise is proving to be a challenge, the good news is that it really comes to down to filling out DB queries inside a small handful of methods, not a lot of code15:38
carl_baldwintidwellr: +1  I kind of knew it would be a challenge.15:39
carl_baldwintidwellr: vikram:  We’re looking forward to the updated reviews.  Please send me (and others interested) a quick ping when they’re up.15:39
carl_baldwin#topic IPAM15:40
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carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: pavel_bondar: hi15:40
tidwellrI'm having to create 2 different service plugin implementations, 1 that's basic and works with all Neutron plugins, and 1 that's optimized for ML2, look for it in the next patch set15:40
carl_baldwinAgain, great job.  We’ve hit a great milestone.15:40
johnbelamariclooks like we are having an issue in the gate though15:40
johnbelamaricit *looks* similar to15:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1434278 in neutron "spurious UT failure 'L3_ROUTER_NAT' keyerror" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)15:40
johnbelamaricwhich was fixed back in March15:40
johnbelamaricwe are consistently getting that KeyError15:41
johnbelamariccan't see what it has to do with our code though15:41
carl_baldwintidwellr: ack, the ML2 optimized one because of the tangled nature of DVR and ML2.15:41
johnbelamaricpavel_bondar: did you find anything suspicious?15:42
pavel_bondarnothing about this error15:42
pavel_bondarbut also we have second issue with py34 tests15:42
pavel_bondarand found something about this one15:42
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pavel_bondarerror appeared in the morning today after merging commit that enables more tests to run15:43
pavel_bondarand error we have is not15:43
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pavel_bondarsorry, not finished15:44
* carl_baldwin was hoping the patch had just merged. He didn’t confirm. :(15:44
pavel_bondartest_ipam_pluggable_backend was added to py34 today in the morning, but our patch adds more tests to that, which are not py34 compatible15:45
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pavel_bondarpossible fix for this area is
john-davidgepavel_bondar: Ah, I guess that expalins it then15:46
pavel_bondarbut probably more simple fix is turn off py34 tests back for new ipam tests, unless 203691 is merged15:47
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carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: It is merged.15:47
pavel_bondarsorry, wrong id15:48
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pavel_bondarand yeah, right now it has failures for jenkins, so I don't expect it will be merged soon15:49
pavel_bondarIssue in py34 tests I see is: TypeError: You cannot set Response.body to a text object (use Response.text)15:50
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: Thanks for your persistence.15:50
pavel_bondarand 204791 stands for fixing that15:50
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: That makes sense.15:50
carl_baldwinI’ll keep this review up along with yours and watch it.15:51
carl_baldwinAnything else to discuss in this meeting?15:51
johnbelamaricshould we disable py34 tests for ipam for now and add another patch to re-enable after the other fix is in?15:51
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johnbelamaricto break the dependency15:52
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: It won’t hurt to floating that in a patch.  To me, it seems reasonable.15:52
carl_baldwinWe’re 8 minutes to the end of the meeting.  I wanted to hit DNS.15:53
carl_baldwin#topic DNS15:53
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carl_baldwinmlavalle: hi15:53
johnbelamaricok. then just have to figure out the KeyError, don't suppose anyone has ideas on that15:53
mlavallecarl_baldwin: hi15:53
mlavallecarl_baldwin: I re-implemented the internal dns with the "data base light' approach we discussed last friday15:54
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Is it on gerrit?15:54
mlavallei got stuck with some alembic issues earlier this week15:54
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mlavallebut yesterday i had a nice conversation with kevinbenton, and i think i figured it out15:55
mlavallei will confirm with HenryG the solution as soon as we finisg this meeting15:55
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mlavalleand i think i will have this working at the end of the day or tomorow15:55
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Great.15:56
mlavalleit boils down to only adding dns_name to the ports table15:56
mlavallemoving all the dns 'computation' to the server, deriving all the data from the dns_label field15:56
mlavalledns_name ^^^^15:56
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mlavalleand i'm starting the externasl side as well15:57
mlavalleso that's my status today15:57
carl_baldwinmlavalle: So, a dns_name is essentially what will come from Nova’s hostname, right?  Could be a DNS label, PQDN, or FQDN, right?15:57
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carl_baldwinmlavalle: That sounds about right to me.15:58
* carl_baldwin encourages reviewers to review.15:58
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carl_baldwinAnything else?15:58
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mlavallethat's it ffrom me15:58
vikramAddress scope patches are under review15:59
carl_baldwinvikram: Thanks.  We didn’t quite get to that topic.  I’ve been derailed on network segments.  I need to get the rest of my implementation up on gerrit too.16:00
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carl_baldwinThanks, everyone.16:00
mlavallecarl_baldwin: enjoy your vacation16:00
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Thanks.16:00
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kzaitsev_mbSo docaedo is not here and the meeting is apparently canceled, rigth?17:06
j^2looks like it17:07
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sgordonguess so17:08
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: rkukura ransari igordcard_: hi17:59
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SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 23 18:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda
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SumitNaiksatamYi: hi18:00
SumitNaiksatamupdate on the kilo release - its still in the works18:00
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SumitNaiksatamwe are making good progress with the outstanding items18:01
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: hi18:01
SumitNaiksatambut it might take a little longer to fix some of the outstanding issues18:01
SumitNaiksatamso we will evaluate early next week as to what date we want to do the release18:01
SumitNaiksatamany questions/comments?18:01
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mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: Approximately when is the release planned as of now18:02
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: at this point, its at least a week out18:02
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: ok18:02
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: if there are any concerns with the time frame, please let me know18:03
SumitNaiksatamand/or we can discuss here18:03
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: No concerns as such, but we might have to revisit the bugs and prioritise any important ones18:03
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: bugs are prioritized to a large extent18:04
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: some of those we need to fix before the release18:04
SumitNaiksatamothers we can backport18:04
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: Okay18:05
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: can have an offline discussion if you are at a point where you want to start knocking off the bugs from the list18:05
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mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: sounds good18:05
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: thanks18:05
SumitNaiksatamtalkkng about bugs18:05
SumitNaiksatam#topic Bugs18:05
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SumitNaiksatamno criticals on the server side, but there is one which is on the UI side18:06
SumitNaiksatamin stable/juno18:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1476866 in Group Based Policy UI "Create member is broken in stable/juno" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to ank (ank.b)18:06
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SumitNaiksatamfix has been posted but we are having problems with the py27 gate: #link
SumitNaiksatamother that that, are there any importants bugs that anyone wants to discuss in the meeting here?18:07
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: There is one more critical issue that I found on UI yesterday18:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1477064 in Group Based Policy UI "Updating any resource does not work for non-admin user" [Undecided,New]18:08
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: yes i saw that18:08
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: This blocks us from using any of the update operations from UI today18:09
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: we actually had a bug for that earlier as well18:09
SumitNaiksatamtrying to find the link18:09
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: but agree we have to fix this asap - the idea would be to update only the attributes that are changed in teh form18:09
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1465345 in Group Based Policy UI "Edit PTG form has limited usability" [High,Confirmed]18:10
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: ^^^ but i agree that this is an issue across, so i will dup the above to your bug18:10
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: are you or ank planning to work on this issue?18:11
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: Ah, I didnt notice this.18:11
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mageshgvAnkaiah may work on this, but at this moment it is not clear, may be ransari can update on that18:11
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: ok, i will check off line18:12
SumitNaiksatamank is actually working on a couple of other bugs too18:12
SumitNaiksatamso i think he might be able to get to this after those18:12
ransarimageshv: we will have to close off internally on this18:12
SumitNaiksatamany other bugs that we want to discuss?18:12
mageshgvransari: okay18:13
ransariU support for external policy needs to be priortized as well18:13
ransariI don't hae the link right now18:13
SumitNaiksatamransari: yeah it doesnt exist18:13
ransariclarification: UI support for external policy18:13
SumitNaiksatamransari: that and service profile are other critical bugs on the UI18:13
SumitNaiksatambut currently no one signed up for fixing those18:14
SumitNaiksatamany other bugs?18:15
ransariSumitNaiksatam: will update you w.r.t sign up for those two18:15
SumitNaiksatamransari: great, thanks!18:15
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Testing18:15
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SumitNaiksatamI was able to do a run of the Rally tests in the gate from this repo: #link
SumitNaiksatamsee the result: #link
SumitNaiksatami tried concurrency of 10 for creating every resource18:17
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SumitNaiksatamcurrently no failures18:17
SumitNaiksatamyou will have to scroll somewhere in the middle of the log to see the rally results18:18
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Any clue what to search for?18:18
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah - “Response Times (sec)"18:18
rkukuraAre these all with 10 concurrent requests?18:19
SumitNaiksatamso at this point i am inclined to submit an infra patch to add an addtional job to run these tests on every patch18:19
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: that is my understanding, but i am in the process of checking with Ajay that the concurrency parameter did actually take effect as expected18:20
SumitNaiksatamthere are two parameters, concurrency and count - the latter being the number of times you want to run18:20
rkukuraok, thanks18:21
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: Can we have those tests in tree?18:21
ivar-lazzaroor it would need more work?18:21
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: there are some changes that Ajay had made to the rally code base to be able to run these tests18:21
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: so there are changes in that repo beyond just adding the tests that are required to run these tests18:22
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: so the long term goal is to upstream those changes to rally itself18:22
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: but until then we can still run these tests in teh current way18:22
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: we could copy over just the tests to our tree, but we would still need the other repo to run them18:23
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: but we can check with Ajay if he is comfortable checking in the just the tests into the gbpservice tree18:23
ivar-lazzaroI'm giving a look at the tests18:24
ivar-lazzaroand the framework seems really nice18:24
SumitNaiksatami was also tempted to add these tests just as a part of the same integration job, since it already installs devstack18:24
ivar-lazzaroshouldn't be hard to write scenario tests when you commit a patch18:24
ivar-lazzaroif we had this in tree I feel that we could add many more tests over time18:25
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: by looking at how these tests are written, we can replicate for new features/additions18:25
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: yes, i agree, that was is indeed the plan or record, this is an intermediate step to get to that point18:25
SumitNaiksatam* plan of18:25
SumitNaiksatamso let me know if anyone has thoughts around making this part of the same integration job or running a completely new job for these18:26
ivar-lazzaroNot sure I understand the success criteria though18:26
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: it will tell you what percentage of the iterations failed18:26
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: what is a failure? an exception? a result different from 20X from the APIs?18:27
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: yes, an error or exception condition18:28
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SumitNaiksatamso initially this test job would be non-voting if we create a separate job18:28
ivar-lazzaroSo the concurrency problem is not really investigated with this (eg. more default L3Ps created as a result of 2 EPG created)18:28
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SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: it depends on how you write the test18:29
SumitNaiksatamcreation of some resources will result in creation of other resources too, and the whole thing should happen in parallel if concurrency is configured18:30
ivar-lazzaroI see, I've never worked with rally but this seems very good! Thanks Ajay!18:30
SumitNaiksatamthe other related item here - making the current integration job to be a voting job18:31
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SumitNaiksatamwe have been treating it as criteria for approving a patch18:31
SumitNaiksatamand it has been stable for a while now18:31
SumitNaiksatamso i am proposing to make it voting18:31
SumitNaiksatamlet me know if there are any concerns18:31
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SumitNaiksatamokay so i will post the patch18:32
SumitNaiksatam#topic Packaging18:32
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything to discuss or update?18:33
rkukuranothing new18:33
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:33
SumitNaiksatamransari: any new requirements, or anything you want to reiterate from before?18:33
SumitNaiksatamok moving on18:35
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Docs18:35
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SumitNaiksatamI am in the process of posting a patch which adds a little more structure to the in-tree documentation and also tries to make it consistent with the other projects18:36
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SumitNaiksatami am also hoping to have an API document in there18:36
SumitNaiksatamonce we have that, we can also madate updating the API or usability changes in the in-tree documentation along with the implementation patch that makes these changes18:37
SumitNaiksatamthat way we can hopefully always keep the documentation consistent18:37
SumitNaiksatamlet me know if you have any ideas on this or if you disagree18:38
SumitNaiksatam#topic Client update18:38
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SumitNaiksatamwe discussed last week about creating a stable branch for the client18:38
SumitNaiksatamso stable/juno has been created18:38
SumitNaiksatamand we can start backporting any relevant commits18:39
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Kilo Items18:39
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SumitNaiksatam#link (Plumbing Terminology)18:40
SumitNaiksatamplease review the above18:40
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: anything you would like to bring up for discussion on this?18:40
SumitNaiksatamor anyone else who has already review this18:41
ivar-lazzaroI see there are new comments18:41
ivar-lazzarobut I haven't read them yet18:41
SumitNaiksatamis songole here?18:41
songoleYes SumitNaiksatam18:41
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SumitNaiksatamanything you want to discuss regarding: #link, you had review comments18:42
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songoleNothing at this time.18:42
songoleI will catch up with ivar later today18:43
SumitNaiksatamsongole: okay18:43
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ivar-lazzaroyes please. The thing I'm looking at the most is new use cases or gotchas in the terminology18:44
ivar-lazzarowe need to label services with similar plumbing requirements as much accurately as possible18:44
SumitNaiksatamthe following other patches have also been in review queue for some time - #link, #link, #link
SumitNaiksatamso please help review18:45
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: anything you wanted to bring up for discussion regarding the above?18:45
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ivar-lazzarothere were concerns around #link
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ivar-lazzaroin the workflow especially18:46
ivar-lazzaroBut we never got to a conclusion around how the service management PTG should be defined18:47
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay18:47
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: you mean how its created?18:47
ivar-lazzaroas far as #link is concerned18:47
ivar-lazzarowe shouldn't merge it until rkukura driver is tested with that as a dependency18:47
ivar-lazzaroso I'll put the WIP18:48
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ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: That, and also how is scheduled by the NCP18:48
ivar-lazzaroI think some were suggesting to remove the new attribute, and have it explicitly set somehow during the chain creation18:49
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay, i am not sure i understand the “scheduled” terminology but i can go and check back in the review18:49
ivar-lazzaroabout I think rukshana tested the patch against the Neutron fix but it's still broken18:49
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: I mean which service management PTG you use when the chain is created18:50
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay, got it18:50
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: yes, i recollect ransari going through that exercise a couple of weeks back18:51
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: i dont think she revisited that18:51
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update and the summary18:52
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: any update you want to share on the nova driver?18:52
rkukuraI’ve worked through the lockup launching a nova VM, but still not sure I understand why that was happening18:52
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:52
rkukuraSeems I need to both enable multiple api_workers and do the nova call from a separate thread. Not sure why I’d need both.18:53
rkukuraAt least I can make forward progress finally.18:53
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: :-)18:54
rkukuraThat’s it for now18:54
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks, yeah that sounds wierd18:54
SumitNaiksatami should have a patch on the Quota support for GBP resources soon18:54
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SumitNaiksatamany other feature-related items we missed out?18:55
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: i noticed you dramatically reduced the size of your patch? ;-)18:56
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igordcard_SumitNaiksatam: yes, it was initially based on the previous TS API, which does not apply for GBP18:56
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: okay, hoping to see the new version soon18:57
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:57
igordcard_SumitNaiksatam: starting from scratch regarding neutron/gbp will be easier to adapt to the plumbing architecture18:57
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: oh okay, let us know if you need any help with discussions or implementation18:57
igordcard_SumitNaiksatam: I will :)18:57
SumitNaiksatamigordcard_: thanks18:58
SumitNaiksatamanything else we want to discuss today?18:58
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SumitNaiksatamalrighty, thanks everyone!18:59
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megmNot sure about -- it looks like it was merged at 1:38 AM.  I know that Jenkins has been overloaded and there is a time lag.  12 hours?  maybe19:43
megmLet me drop a note to Andreas19:44
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mattgriffinmegm, brb19:59
megm#matt, Andreas says to just be patient about -- it's in the queue19:59
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megmAnyone here for High Availability Guide?20:04
megmAll are welcome!20:04
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mattgriffin#startmeeting ha-guide20:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 23 20:04:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:04
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mattgriffinlet's get started in the HA Guide meeting. who's here for that chat?20:05
mattgriffinhere's the agenda...20:05
mattgriffinjust a few things on the agenda today20:06
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megmHowdy, beekhof!20:07
mattgriffinhey beekhof20:07
* beekhof might still be waking up :)20:07
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mattgriffinhey vnod. here for the ha guide meeting?20:07
megmbeekhof, we appreciate it!  ;-)20:07
vnodnope. this my IRC client logging to all channels.20:08
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mattgriffinvnod, ah... we welcome  anyway :)20:09
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mattgriffinso first, both action items from last week's meeting are done20:09
mattgriffinspreadsheet with progress is updated20:10
mattgriffinand sent message to tell the rest of the docs team and ask for reviews help20:10
mattgriffinthe spreadsheet of progress...20:11
mattgriffinmegm, i had one question about the keystone content20:11
megmJust FYI, Jenkins is apparently overloaded so it is taking a LONG time for stuff to be processed.  Andreas advises patience ;-)20:12
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mattgriffinquestion answered then :)20:12
mattgriffinso just need to keep pushing to get reviews. i can email lana again and ask her to include a note in her next Docs update email20:13
megmYes, the specific question was about the Keystone piece -- it was merged almost 12 hours ago but is still not showing up in the draft ha-guide build20:13
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mattgriffinmegm, i'll keep a look out for that update to the draft guide and update the link in the spreadsheet20:13
megmOkay -- I'll watch for it as well.20:14
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megmSo, we need content.  beekhof, are you interested in that?20:15
mattgriffinbeekhof, yes. reviewing and submitting bugs for content to update/add20:16
megmreviewing, writing -- any of the above.20:16
beekhofi can poke around :)20:16
megmWhich areas interest you most?20:16
beekhofshould we talk about active/active and where pacemaker fits?20:16
beekhofi dont want to go off and do stuff that people fundamentally disagree with :)20:17
megmPacemaker is central and crucial and the existing material certainly needs revision!20:17
beekhofok then :)20:17
megmI know that we have three open bugs against Pacemaker/Corosync20:18
beekhofbecause a lot of people seem to be keepalived fans20:18
beekhofand dont see the point of pacemaker20:18
megmRelated bugs are sorted by topic in
* beekhof reads20:18
megmSo should we discuss both pacemaker and the keepalived options?20:19
beekhofi’m happy to ignore keepalived20:20
mattgriffinis this something that was measured in the latest user survey?20:20
megmIf both are valid, it makes sense to mention them both and perhaps summarize the considerations/arguments20:20
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beekhofboth are valid depending on the level of risk you’re prepared to tolerate. my argument would be that many/most people choosing keepalived don’t undertsand that risk20:21
megmMy opinion is that anyone who contributes gets to recommend what they think is correct.  Others can comment or augment if they choose.20:21
beekhofso if we want to discuss both, there should be a discussion of risk at the start :)20:22
beekhofi’d like to focus on the pacemaker side of things, there are others that posses more keepalived knowledge20:22
mattgriffini'm in agreement with megm :)20:22
megmSo maybe we could add a small section about keepalived that summarizes the risks and advantages of keepalived.20:22
megmIf a proponent of keepalived wants more coverage, they can add it, right?20:22
beekhofso, stupid question… how do i make changes?20:23
mattgriffinbeekhof, thanks for the help20:23
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megmbeekhof, feel free to rewrite any of this if you like -- sometimes it's easier to write it than to comment instructions that I can follow.20:23
megmBut I'm available for any scribal services that you need20:24
mattgriffinbeekhof, just put your name as the SME for Pacemaker/Corosync in the spreadsheet20:24
megmIf you want to do a CR with correct info and no RST coding, just make me a reviewer and add a comment that I need to grab it and code it.20:24
beekhofi mean even at the level of, where is the git repo :)20:24
beekhofthis is my first contribution to the core20:25
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megmAha!  I'm only a couple steps ahead of you here but I should be able to help you.20:25
megmYou can email me at DreidelLhasa@yahoo.com20:26
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beekhofis there a contribution process written up somewhere by any chance?20:26
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megmYes, there is a contrib process writtten up for the OpenStack docs.20:26
megmAnd ha-guide is its own repo.20:26
megmWhat kind of system do you work on?  Ubuntu/RHEL/Windoze?20:27
megmThanks, Matt.  I'm looking for the instructions for setting up the local doc builds and all20:28
beekhofI’m either fedora/, rhel or Mac :)20:28
beekhofah, this looks like just the thing20:29
megmHere are instructions for first-timers
megmAs I recall, there are some holes that are covered elsewhere.20:30
megmI think some of those were ubuntu-specific issues -- you may do better with fedora or Mac20:31
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megmare you comfortable with RST?20:31
beekhofi’ve never used it, but how hard can it be?20:32
beekhofhow long do reviews usually take?20:33
megmIt has a few little quirks but it is pretty easy once you catch on to those.20:33
beekhofoh, and is anyone going to tokyo?20:33
megmReviews are generally pretty fast.  The standard is that, when we get two +1's from our team, Andreas and others get stuff merged within a few hours.20:33
* beekhof might start small20:34
megmYeah, I have lived in a world where merges took several weeks and it was debilitating!20:34
beekhofso i need an RST to fix these 3 doc bugs?20:34
mattgriffinbeekhof, yeah. start small... even look for some low hanging fruit (grammar bugs) in other Docs projects to get familiar with the process20:34
megmIt might be a good idea to put your name next to any area you are working on here
megmAh, I see that you just did that -- great!20:36
beekhoffirst name andrew btw :)20:36
beekhofin case i slip and put that20:36
mattgriffinwelcome beekhof. thanks for your future help :)20:36
beekhofyou’re welcome :)20:37
mattgriffini need to run to another meeting. any other topics to discuss?20:37
megmYou might also want to swipe at
mattgriffinbeekhof, please tell your friends that know the other OpenStack services20:37
beekhofwill do20:37
megmThis is introductory material that I think should probably be moved to the Controller section.  But it might be a good place to discuss keepalived for now20:37
beekhofmattgriffin: i’m good20:38
megmGee, I just noticed it doesn't even mention Pacemaker.  Gag!20:38
megmMy vision is that this piece should link to the sections with more info.  Actually, now that we have a skeleton populated and merged, I could go in and do that ;-)20:39
megmMatt, how do we track the open bugs?  Right now, they are in that very kludgy next-steps document20:41
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mattgriffinmegm, hmm20:42
mattgriffinthought we could use a filter but might be a challenge20:43
mattgriffinthough i think all bugs will have the url so we could filter on that20:43
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megmbeekhof, did you see  I haven't seen activity from Radek lately -- I'll ping him when we're done.20:43
megmBut you might want to be aware of that one ;-)20:44
megmRe: bugs...  we need to line them up with the subject sections so that people who are working on each section can easily find relevant bugs.20:45
beekhofok, i’ll look20:46
beekhofjust filling out forms :)20:46
mattgriffinmegm, ok. i'll look into an easy, repeatable, reliable way to do that20:46
megmIs CloudDon going to be coming back to us sometime?20:46
mattgriffin#action mattgriffin look into how to call out bugs for the HA Guide sections20:46
beekhofoh, thats right up my alley :)20:46
mattgriffinmegm, don't know. haven't seen him lately20:47
mattgriffini'll poke him if i see him20:47
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beekhofi see a few +1’s, what is left to do there?20:48
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megmI'd like to work with him on the intro material -- one of the bugs is from him but he could no doubt help me with the othrs20:48
megmbeekhof, I'm not sure what the delay is there.  He made changes to the unconverted docbook stuff so now that needs to be folded into the RST version.20:49
beekhofyou really dont want to disable wait_for_all in a 2 node cluster20:49
beekhofits about the only thing that makes it safe20:49
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mattgriffingotta run. thanks megm and beekhof !!!20:50
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megmAs a general note, it seems to me that we get way too much stuff written about 2-node clusters. This guide should target 3+-node clusters that are appropriate for production systems, then add notes  with special info about the 2-node demo environments20:51
beekhof2 nodes clusters suck20:52
megmbeekhof, write to me if you need help getting going.  I'm sure you won't pull as many stupid things as I did ;-)20:52
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beekhofmy old company used to give away 2 node licences because they were considered useless except as a teaster20:52
megm2 node clusters are beautiful for playing around, studying, demonstrating.  But not for production!  Ever!20:52
beekhofmegm: i’ll try ;-)20:52
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megmExactly!  They are great for a teaser -- give them away so people can play and learn.20:53
megmBut we need to be sure that we don't write this guide to target them -- and we have places that do that.20:53
megmI guess our meeting is over.  Do you have what you need to get started?20:54
beekhofis there a non meeting channel where you guys live?20:54
megmWe are SO glad to have you with us!20:55
megmNot really -- we're such a small group that we tend to just send email to each other.20:55
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megmBut I keep this channel open all the time so if you call me out, I usually get it.20:55
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megmThat may be something we should discuss next time -- as more people get involved, it might be a good idea20:56
megmSo where are you?  Is it the middle of the night for you?20:56
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beekhofmegm: australia. melbourne specifically21:01
beekhofnot too bad, 7am now21:01
megmAh, so this really is a bad time for you.  We do all live on the 24-hour clock these days, don't we?  ;-)21:01
megmI really appreciate your joining us then!21:02
beekhofyou’re in the US?21:07
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beekhofmegm: every commit needs a bug?22:07
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megmbeekhof, it's not necessary to file a bug for each commit at this point as far as I know.  We are treating this as a new document.22:10
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beekhofok, so not 1:1, but all commits need to be asociated with a bug22:11
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megmWe did include a link to the blueprint
megmBut I haven't been doing that lately and nobody has complained ;-)22:11
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megmI suppose there is some elegance to having the bug-to-CR correspondence...22:12
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beekhofi see ha-guide and high-availability-guide directories here22:13
megmDo you know Lana or Andreas?  You could ask them about the commit-bug issue22:13
megmhigh-availability-guide is the old docbook doc22:13
beekhofok, so focus on the new one22:14
megmha-guide is the new guide -- restructured and converted to RST and now, hopefully, to be massively updated and approved22:14
megmHere is the old outline we started with for the new guide -- it's fluid but gives a general idea:
megmThe big difference is that the old guide discussed active/passive components and then active/active components.22:15
megmThe goal of the new guide is to explain how to set up an HA environment from start to finish, leveraging material in the Install Guides, which are also being revised right now.22:16
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megmAnother group is doing massive work on the Networking Guide, and that is supposed to also cover HA issues.22:17
megmSo this book should mention networking briefly and then link to the Networking Guide.22:17
megmWe assume that people have already done some playing with a "basic" OpenStack environment, but they should be able to follow this guide and know what to do.22:18
megmBut, for example, we tell them to set up NTP, but point to the Install Guide for instructions.22:18
megmI call this "comprehensive but not complete" writing, which is probably only clever to me ;-)22:19
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megmOne big heads-up -- I have zero confidence that the sections in the Controller section are in the right order!22:20
megmBut they are a stake-in-the-ground, as it were.22:20
megmIf you find something that needs to be done before setting up Pacemaker, but discussed after Pacemaker in the guide, please move it!22:20
megmOnce nice thing about these tools is that, in most cases, moving a section is trivially easy.22:21
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beekhofok, makes sense22:42
beekhofmegm: how does this look as a first patch?
beekhof(sanity check before i put up before a review)22:42
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beekhofok, i’m confused22:53
beekhofmegm: i added a comment to,unified but it only shows as a draft22:54
beekhofi dont see a save button anywhere22:54
beekhofoh, i see now22:56
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megm beekhof, are you still here?23:45
beekhofi am23:45
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beekhofit seems i can’t submit anything for review until i register a mailing address, and the system for doing that is busted23:46
megmI saw your review for corosync/votequorum so I think you figured it out, correct?23:46
beekhofthat part anyway :)23:47
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megmDo you have a Launchpad account?  I think that is required and everything else works off that.23:56
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