Thursday, 2015-08-06

elmiko#startmeeting api wg00:00
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elmikoanyone around....?00:02
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elmikohey ryansb00:02
elmikojust you and me so far00:03
ryansbI see00:03
elmikoalthough, since you're here00:03
ryansbwas going to get an opinion on, since we have -1s on it should I update the patch?00:03
elmikothis one #link
elmikoyea, i think so. there was some good feedback from the cross project meeting00:04
ryansbso anyways, is there an "unfreeze" process, or should I just go for it00:04
elmikoyea, i'd say update away00:04
elmikothen we will run it up the flag pole again00:04
elmikosome of the suggestions/questions were about maybe creating an example based on keystone, any advice about registering the headers, and also advice on migrating currently used headers00:05
elmikoi think folks were really hung up on the idea that we are telling folks not to use X-00:05
elmikowhich i don't think we are, per se00:05
elmikobut like, X-Auth-Token was a big case in point00:05
ryansbdue to the collisions?00:06
elmikowell, just the thought about should projects now attempt to migrate away from their X-My-Header stuff00:06
ryansbyeah, we're saying "it lacks the prior semantic meaning"00:06
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ryansbnot "never use it"00:07
elmikoyea, exactly00:07
elmikoi think that point may have been too subtle00:07
ryansbso yeah, I'll spin a new patch that's a bit clearer on that front00:07
elmikoalso, guidance on what to do if your project already uses something like X-foo-bar00:07
elmikolike, should you consider moving to OpenStack-foo-bar00:08
elmikoand if so, how is that accomplished00:08
elmikoi'm not sure we need all that in this version of the guidance, but it's food for thought for future versions00:08
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elmikohmm, looking at our merge process. we are a little light on details about fixing up something in freeze00:11
elmikobut, i think just fix it up and we'll announce it at cross project once it's ready again00:12
elmikoand if no -1's then cool00:12
ryansbyeahh, so moving is not something that I'd look forward to, just for backward compat00:13
ryansbyeah, also next mtg we can see if folks want to flesh that out00:13
elmikook, it might be worth mentioning something about advising against moving unless there is an api version bump or something?00:13
elmikook, i'll leave this on the agenda for next time too00:14
elmikowell, i'll change it to reflect the new discussion00:14
ryansbworks for me00:14
elmikoanything else we should discuss?00:15
ryansbnot that comes to mind00:15
elmikodid you have a nice vacation? ;)00:15
elmikoyea, agreed about that00:15
elmikoi'm not sure how we can increase the review throughput, maybe i can ping the liaisons again00:16
elmikoalso, need to talk with etoews once he is back00:16
ryansbyeah, I'd go with that00:17
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elmikook, well, thanks for showing up =)00:17
elmikosee ya around the campus, as it were00:18
ryansbheh, IRC campus00:18
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carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron-l315:00
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carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:01
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carl_baldwinWe’re in the final month of feature development.15:01
carl_baldwinLiberty-3 will be at the end of this month.  Where has the time gone?15:02
carl_baldwinAny other announcements?15:02
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regXboionly that we are trying to add multimode-dvr to the check queue as nonvoting15:02
regXboiand once it is added, I'll be watching it to see if we can make it voting15:03
carl_baldwinregXboi: Ah, yes.  Thanks.  Do you have a link to ther review?  I think I saw a +2 pass by.15:03
regXboiand it has been W+115:03
regXboiso ... here we go15:03
carl_baldwinregXboi: Excelent.  This should bring in some good data.15:04
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carl_baldwinOther announcements?15:04
carl_baldwin#topic Bugs15:04
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carl_baldwinmlavalle: ping15:05
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: so i followed up with the owner of
openstackLaunchpad bug 1388698 in neutron "dhcp_agents_per_network does not work appropriately." [High,In progress] - Assigned to watanabe.isao (watanabe.isao)15:05
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mlavallewe didn't have any progreess report on that for a few konths15:06
mlavalleit turns out we have a fix proposed for that and it seems it will merge soon15:06
mlavallealso this coming week i intend to invest sometime researching
openstackLaunchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed]15:07
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Thanks, I actually looked at that review recently.  Was waiting for yamamoto to revisit it.15:07
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mlavallewe need to dig deeper into that. i will ask some help.......15:07
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mlavalleyeah, if yamamoto can revisit
openstackLaunchpad bug 1388698 in neutron "dhcp_agents_per_network does not work appropriately." [High,In progress] - Assigned to watanabe.isao (watanabe.isao)15:08
yamamotoi will.15:08
mlavallethat will help us to almost drive our bugs to 015:08
carl_baldwinThanks, mlavalle !15:08
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mlavalleother than those 2 bugs, the rest are medium priority or lower15:08
regXboiso... there is one new l3-dvr-backlog that got made high last week15:09
mlavalleany other bugs folks wnat to bring up?15:09
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regXboi(me goes to look for the number15:09
carl_baldwinregXboi: Thanks for the reminder.  I think this team needs to keep a better eye on that bug tag.15:10
regXboicarl_badlwin: I'm sort of doing that15:10
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carl_baldwinAt one point, l3-dvr-backlog was a subset of l3-dhcp-ipam but that is no longer true.15:10
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carl_baldwin(or is it l3-ipam-dhcp?)15:10
carl_baldwinAnyway, I appreciate regXboi ’s help with keeping an eye on that.15:11
mlavallecarl_baldwin, regXboi: iwans't watching the dvr one.... i'll start doing it from now on15:11
regXboisorry, that's the patch15:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1405910 in neutron "distributed router can not add routes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats)15:11
regXboithere we go - the patch had been abandoned - I've picked it up and am trying to shepherd it through15:11
haleyband a silent failure, ouch, i will keep an eye as well15:12
carl_baldwinregXboi: Many thanks.  We need a little reviewer attention on it.15:12
regXboicarl_baldwin: ack - I need to add test cases to it15:13
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regXboiI'm still trying to get the rebase happy15:13
carl_baldwin^ Reviewers15:13
carl_baldwinAny other bugs?15:13
mlavalleregXboi: thanks!15:13
regXboilet's get the other ones on the table15:13
regXboiand now to make links15:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adolfo Duarte (adolfo-duarte)15:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1369721 in neutron "manually moving dvr-snat router fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1470889 in neutron "DVR: should not remove routers form down l3 agents on compute nodes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:15
regXboiiirc, those all have current patches...15:15
regXboithat's all from me15:15
carl_baldwinregXboi: Thanks.15:15
carl_baldwinHere’s a link to the dvr backlog that we should add to our wiki page:15:16
carl_baldwinYikes, looks like some triage is in order.15:16
mlavallecarl_baldwin: adding the tag now....15:16
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regXboicarl_baldwin: I'll try and spend some time checking to see what has patches and what doesn't and ...15:17
carl_baldwinregXboi: Many many thanks.15:18
carl_baldwinMoving on...15:19
carl_baldwin#topic Routed network segments15:19
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carl_baldwinThis topic sure seems to be heating up!  I love it but it is now clear that we’ve got some heavy lifting to do.15:19
carl_baldwinI’ve taken an action item to write a new proposal encorporating the feedback from this thread.15:20
carl_baldwinI guess there isn’t much to discuss here without a more fleshed out proposal.15:21
carl_baldwin#topic BGP dynamic routing15:21
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carl_baldwinvikram_: tidwellr:  ping15:22
carl_baldwinActually, one more thing on routed networks.15:23
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carl_baldwinregXboi: Do you want to mention the operator’s meetup?15:23
carl_baldwinThe details are buried in that thread that I linked.  I think it was going to be on Aug 18th.15:24
regXboicarl_baldwin: that sounds correct - let me find the right link15:24
regXboiI'll add it later, so we can move along15:24
tidwellrI'm will be there, that's correct15:24
carl_baldwinI will be at linuxcon with mestery and we plan to find a corner to sit it and join the discussion.15:24
carl_baldwinMy only concern is that it sounds like kevinbenton may not be able to join at the chosen time from China.15:25
carl_baldwinkevinbenton ’s feedback has been valuable15:25
regXboithat's the email with the proposed time on 8/1815:26
regXboicarl_baldwin: that is unfortunate, but I think we'll have to muddle through15:26
carl_baldwinOkay, let’s move on.15:26
carl_baldwin#topic BGP dynamic routing15:26
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carl_baldwinvikram_: tidwellr : take two15:26
tidwellrI've been going round and round with where to insert callback notifications, anyway we've settled just inserting them where we need them for now and dealing with notifications more broadly later15:27
vikram_I am working on the unit tests15:27
tidwellrI think I've cleared the way for us to wrap this up now15:27
carl_baldwintidwellr: vikram_:  Where do you need reviews?15:28
tidwellrthese reviews have gone a little quiet recently, mostly because I've been tied up and working through things in a sandbox15:28
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tidwellrI'm going to start re-building the review dependencies today or tomorrow, but start here
carl_baldwintidwellr: When they pick up, be sure to ping generously.15:30
vikram_My patches has lot of failures.. Will correct them soon .. Probably need a weeks time to get it up for review15:30
tidwellrwe're so close, but we do need to things up for review15:30
carl_baldwintidwellr: vikram_: thanks.15:31
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baolitidwellr: a quick question on BGP. What network are the BGP speakers and the BGP peers running on?15:31
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tidwellrthey can run anywhere15:31
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tidwellryou can deploy the agent where you need it, as long as it can connect to rabbitmq and communicate with the server15:31
baolitidwellr, but the peer's address must be reachable freom where the dr agent running?15:32
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baolitidwellr, ok, sounds like the mgmt net, then15:32
tidwellrwell, not necessarily15:32
tidwellrdepends on your environment15:32
tidwellrmgmt net means different things to different people15:33
tidwellrbut it's typically a mgmt net of sorts15:33
baolitidwellr, got it, thanks15:33
carl_baldwin#topic IPAM15:34
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carl_baldwinPluggable IPAM is all merged!15:34
johnbelamaricYes, indeed. :)15:34
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: pavel_bondar:  Anything for today?15:34
regXboithe eagle has landed!!!!15:34
johnbelamaricWe are working on our driver and have created networking-infoblox repo - but i am having trouble getting attention from anyone in infra to add me to the core/release groups for it15:34
carl_baldwinFrom my perspective, we’ve got the switch over to pluggable by default in Mitaka.  Any other future directions?15:35
johnbelamaricany suggestions?15:35
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Hmmm.  I’m not sure how to get that kind of attention.  mestery ?15:35
johnbelamaricNo, not for this - i think the migration for Mitaka and then it's a wrap.15:35
mesteryjohnbelamaric: Let me help with this, thanks for tagging me here carl_baldwin15:35
mesteryjohnbelamaric: We'll get it sorted ASAP15:36
johnbelamaricmestery: thank you15:36
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mesteryjohnbelamaric: Do you happen to have a link to the gerrit group for me?15:36
mesteryThat would be awesome if so :)15:36
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carl_baldwinOn another note, I was just wondering yesterday about DHCP relays.  But, we can talk about that another time.  johnbelamaric:  Any plans around this?15:36
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johnbelamaricmestery: #link,members15:36
johnbelamaricmestery: and #link,members15:37
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: well, we still have the issue that the ISC patch we need is not upstream yet - i can check into that15:37
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: It is all coming back to me.  I had forgotton about that ISC patch.15:38
johnbelamaricOur current implementation is less than ideal, though, since it runs a relay per namespace15:38
johnbelamaricideally we would have a relay that pokes into all the namespaces to avoid so many processes15:38
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carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Maybe we could find some time in Tokyo to chat about  it.15:39
johnbelamaricwe also still run dnsmasq for dns proxy in our case, so it's adding to the load not offloading - though you avoid the disk I/O associated with dnsmasq config files15:39
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: Ok, let's try - i am about 75% certain I will make Tokyo15:39
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: Thanks.  Once again, thanks for your persistence and patience with pluggable IPAM15:40
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar too15:40
carl_baldwin#topic DNS15:40
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: after your review to
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Hi15:40
mlavalleI am feeling that it is close to merger15:41
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mlavallei will finish ading ut's today and address your concerns15:41
carl_baldwinmlavalle: I think so.15:41
mlavalleafter that i think it is very close15:41
carl_baldwinI won’t be able to review again until next week but hopefully other reviewers can add it to their list.15:42
mlavalleso i think statrting tomorrow my focus will shift mainly to the external side of this project15:42
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mlavallei hope to be able o push the first patchset middle of next week15:42
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mlavalleso all in all making good progress15:43
carl_baldwinmlavalle: That is great.  I plan to run the patch in devstack next week.  This was my first blueprint, I’m excited to see it working.15:43
mlavallethansks to regXboi, who keeps revieweing each one of my revisions :-)15:43
regXboimlavalle: yw15:43
carl_baldwinRequest reviewers to watch for an update to this patch in the next day.15:43
mlavalleyeah, i'll push tonight again15:44
carl_baldwinregXboi is all over the place!15:44
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Anything else?15:44
mlavallethat's all for today15:44
regXboicarl_baldwin: I think I've been accused of being an AI because of that15:44
* carl_baldwin will look in to adding captchas to regXboi ’s reviews.15:45
john-davidgeregXboi: That’s exactly what an AI would say…15:45
regXboifolks - ask mestery - he know's I'm real15:45
regXboihe's watched me throw reading glasses across a room in a fit of pique15:45
mesteryI can confirm regXboi is indeed an actual person15:46
carl_baldwinmestery might be an AI too. 15:46
regXboirotflmao now15:46
mlavallei've suspected that of mestery for a long time15:46
carl_baldwin#topic Address Scopes15:46
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carl_baldwinrofl too15:46
* john-davidge suggests adding Turing Test to OpenStack contributors agreement15:47
carl_baldwinSo, address scopes.  The l3 agent code is mostly finished in a local sandbox.  That was my story three weeks ago, I know.15:47
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carl_baldwinBut, I’m going to wrap this up before moving on to routing networks redesign next week.15:48
carl_baldwinvikram_ ’s and numan ’s patches have been making good progress.15:48
numanCaleb--, there is one review - to associate subnetpool to addresscope :
numancarl_baldwin, ^15:48
* regXboi suggests adding Turing Test to OpenStack contributions workflow15:48
numanjust need another core reviewer to review :)15:48
carl_baldwinhaleyb: ^15:49
carl_baldwinZZelle is on vacation by the way.  Otherwise, I would’ve welcomed him as our newest core earlier in the meeting.15:49
haleybcarl_baldwin: will look15:49
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carl_baldwin#topic IPv615:50
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carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: Thank you for your tireless work on prefix delegation.15:50
carl_baldwinThe first patch merged.15:51
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Thank you for your tireless reviewing on prefix delegation15:51
john-davidgeHenryG: Too15:51
john-davidgeI actually have a quick fix patch up for an error I didn’t catch until testing the second patch this morning #link
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john-davidgeIt’s very small, so hopefully it can merge quickly15:52
carl_baldwinThe next one is a big one but it is mostly new code with what looks like light integration with the existing code.  So, I’m not sure it would make sense to break it up.15:52
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Thanks for your review on #link already. I’m working through it now, will possibly have a new patch up sometime tomorrow15:53
* carl_baldwin is a bit embarassed by the that bug. I thought I checked for that specifically in my last review.15:53
* HenryG is equally embarassed15:54
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: I won’t be able to review until late next week.  Encourage other reviewers to add it.15:54
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Me too! I suspect a bit of “Let’s get this in already” fever caught us there15:54
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: will do15:54
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: I agree that it doesn’t make sense to split the second patch. I did try it at one point and it was a lot of overhead15:55
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: agreed15:55
carl_baldwinjohn-davidge: Do you think a UT could be added for the bug?15:56
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john-davidgecarl_baldwin: Could do. iirc there are no existing tests for update_subnet so I didn’t initally see the value in creating one just for PD15:56
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: In this case it’s a misnamed function call rather than a logical error, so perhaps a UT is a bit much?15:57
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regXboi um15:58
carl_baldwinHenryG: thoughts?15:58
carl_baldwinI think it is worth a shot.  UTs in python are useful for catching such things.15:58
* regXboi admits to being somewhat disturbed that there are no tests for update_subnet15:58
HenryGIt might be worth throwing together a minimal test for update_subnet15:58
john-davidgecarl_baldwin: As in, perhaps a test for that one function is a bit much. But testing of the workflow in #link should absolutely catch it.15:59
carl_baldwin== 2 lol15:59
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regXboiwow, where has the time gone?16:00
HenryGAlso wondering: do we functional testing for dibbler? I am not sure how to emulate a PD server.16:00
carl_baldwinWe need to end the meeting now.16:00
carl_baldwinWe’ll take the discussion to the review.16:00
carl_baldwinThanks, all!  Great work!16:00
john-davidgeokey dokey16:00
regXboicarl_baldwin: #endmeeting?16:01
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docaedo#startmeeting app-catalog17:00
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docaedo#topic rollcall17:00
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kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: you should o/ too =)17:01
docaedohaha, was about to do that17:01
docaedo#topic Status updates17:01
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docaedoNew repo for App Catalog UI work landed17:01
docaedoI added a handful of new blueprints based on things we've been discussing/planning.17:01
docaedo"Multiple asset types" work appears to be making really good progress, kfox1111 do you want to give a quick update?17:02
kzaitsev_mbI've promised to work on murano part of the ui-thingy, but failed to keep my promise =(17:02
kfox1111glance_images and heat_templates are sharing a common schema now.17:02
kzaitsev_mbstrated to work on that today, but was constantly distracted by different stuff17:02
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docaedokfox1111: thanks!17:03
kzaitsev_mbhope to sort it out though17:03
kfox1111I've been looking at the murano one too. Just need to add the deps stuff I think to the common schema and then can merge that schema too.17:03
kfox1111but that is partially related to17:03
kfox1111since it would be common, we should fix it at the same time so deps work with heat templates too.17:04
docaedoregarding murano-apps-dependencies, I added a note to the whiteboard suggesting app catalog should not get into the business of dependency management...17:04
kfox1111I added a note saying it was already in the buisness.17:04
docaedounless we can agree it would be VERY minimal - otherwise, starts to sound like we want to become a package manager17:04
kfox1111yeah. the web ui already has the ability to install components.17:05
kfox1111I think for now, all it would do is show you each with a link by each to install it.17:05
kfox1111something simple, but usable.17:05
docaedoah, we moved on BTW to:17:05
docaedo#topic App Catalog Horizon Plugin Update (kfox1111)17:05
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docaedoso - I agree there is value there (dep management), just want to make sure we don't start getting too complicated with multiple recursions of checking and fetching deps17:06
kfox1111ah. yeah. agreed.17:07
kfox1111no complicated dep resolver.17:07
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docaedoAny other updates, or do we move on to open discussion?17:08
docaedoactually before we move on, and on this topic (horizon plugin)17:08
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docaedoJust wanted to say the more I think about it, the more excited I get about the potential for this to bring in more contributors from the openstack dev side17:09
kfox1111newest plugin demo.17:09
docaedoas we talked about on the main IRC channel, it really could become THE way to bring things into your OpenStack environment regardless of which service you're talking about17:10
docaedothanks for sharing the demo!17:10
kfox1111its already a bit out of date as of this morning. I got magic search working. :)17:10
kzaitsev_mbdamn you're fast =)17:10
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kfox1111I also got the ability to point it at a local server running apps-catalog content.17:10
kfox1111One of the next thigns I want to play with is a more17:11
kfox1111style display for the apps view.17:11
kfox1111icon, description, can go in and look at details, install/launch.17:11
docaedoI like that idea, also touches on something I was going to bring up later - I want to include a way for a contributing company to include their logo with the asset17:12
docaedoI know for certain the idea of visibility is holding back a few people who have existing assets that would be good in the catalog17:12
kfox1111yeah. I was starting to work on that this morning, and then realized, I needed a place to try adding icons, where the horizon ui coudl get it,17:12
kfox1111but before it was committed to
docaedo(ie they worked hard on the assets and still want SOME branding indicating they contributed them)17:12
kfox1111so we have provided_by, and supported_by.17:13
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kfox1111provided_by maybe shoudl have an icon too?17:14
docaedoyep - just adding the ability to include an image there too (like provided_by HP, and a small HP logo there too)17:14
docaedoexactly what I was typing :)17:14
kfox1111cool. makes sense to me.17:14
docaedonice, I'll add a blueprint for that - just so we don't lose track17:15
kfox1111k. thx.17:15
kzaitsev_mbsounds nice to me. That would actually make companies use app-catalog as an advert platform17:15
kzaitsev_mbalthough it does bring up some concerns, cause the app-catalog would use assets, that might be copirighted. But I guess that's on users concious17:16
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docaedokzaitsev_mb: that should be covered by the license details17:16
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kfox1111I think firefox has had recent conversations on this topic.17:17
kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: let's maybe add a bp for license, too? I believe, that we've all signed a license when we started contributing ot OS, but what happens, when we contribute to app-catalog?17:17
kfox1111they are shipping logo's as part of the search widget. they are not open source because they are logo's...17:18
kfox1111so debian kind of had issue with it.17:18
docaedoyou have to agree to the openstack contributor license to contribute to the app catalog, so that's covered - but I see what you're saying w/r/t logos17:18
kfox1111I'd say, for those logo's, we just link to them in the metadata and pulll right from the url.17:18
docaedois it a concern if you link17:18
docaedohaha, yeah, again typing same thing same time17:18
kfox1111if we just link, thats a lot less dangerous.17:19
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kzaitsev_mbalthough that leaves place for resources getting deleted from remote stuff, but that's something we have covered in the stale-resources bp, I guess17:20
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kzaitsev_mbbut generally sounds nice )17:20
docaedoonce again with ninja stealth we changed topics :)17:21
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docaedo#topic Open discussion17:21
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kfox1111longer term, we might be able to come up with a thing that says, if you license it to us in such a way it can be associated with the catalog and we distribute it, it can go on but thats way out.17:21
docaedoagreed, definitely have a few other things to solve first :)17:22
docaedoI had an idea, wanted to get your thoughts.17:22
docaedoShould we consider storing Heat templates in the app-catalog repo? I think it would be a good way to encourage people to contribute templates, and we could encourage people in the Heat community to help review them as well.17:22
docaedoRight now there's no obvious place to go find or put heat templates. We obviously want the app catalog to be the place to find heat templates, and the mechanism right now assumes the contributor has their own repository for holding the templates (so contributions are just pointers to templates hosted elsewhere).17:22
docaedoAny reason not to encourage people to start keeping them in app catalog? Thoughts?17:22
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kzaitsev_mbthat depends...17:24
kfox1111Yes, and no?17:25
kzaitsev_mbon the one hand I can imagine people constantly improving their template, like on github. in that case we would have access to the latest version17:25
kzaitsev_mbunless linked directly to some pinned version17:25
kfox1111Yes, I totally want a place where I can contribute templates to the greater community that isn't "examples" like heat-templates.git repo.17:25
kfox1111but, probably doesn't belong in the app-catalog repo?17:26
kfox1111maybe a app-catalog-heat-templates repo or something?17:26
kzaitsev_mbkfox1111: and then app-catalog-solum, app-catalog-glance, app-catalog-docker-images? =)17:26
docaedoyeah, I think that makes more sense than just dumping it into the main repo17:27
docaedothen on the other hand, feels like we would be trying to solve a different problem (get people to create/maintain heat templates)17:28
kfox1111solum/glance are tarball/image kinds of things. not very git friendly.17:28
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kfox1111yeah. it could belong to the heat project too. I've been trying for over a year to get them to do it though, with no affect.17:29
kfox1111so it may be easier to do it here.17:29
kzaitsev_mboh. docaedo you wanted to put heat templates in the git repo?17:29
docaedoyes, heat is the one that's pretty friendly for git, others, no so much17:29
kfox1111if it ends up being wildy successful and heat wants to take ownership at that point, great. :)17:29
docaedokzaitsev_mb: yes, was thinking of exactly that17:29
docaedokfox1111: and yeah, that's kind of what I was leaning towards, because nobody else seems to want to solve that problem17:30
kzaitsev_mbno, I actually do not think it's a good idea, since other types are not friendly to git, and it would, like separate asset types into ones that fit into repo and ones that do not.17:30
kzaitsev_mbalso. in future roles of moderators/developers might be separated (I hope so)17:30
kzaitsev_mband this would mean, that heat-template providers would have to be moderated by catalog developers, not catalog moderators17:31
docaedoI think you guys have successfully talked me out of the idea17:31
kfox1111so you could do a app-catalog-text-resource or something,17:31
kfox1111well, having them moderated by catalog folks is still better then not having them moderated at all.17:32
docaedoI would say we table the idea for now but keep it kicking around at least, at some point we might hit a variation of the idea that makes more sense17:32
docaedobecause one thing I realize - if I'm creating a heat template17:32
docaedoI want to "own" it, I don't want to have to wait for a core reviewer here to bless my updates/changes17:33
kfox1111I disagree for one reason.17:33
kfox1111I can self own it on github today. that doesn't buy me something I want.17:33
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kfox1111openstack's great CI stuff.17:33
kfox1111I want to contribute a template,17:33
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kfox1111and then have CI continue to check on it.17:33
kfox1111cause stuff breaks, and I want to know when, so I can go fix it.17:34
kfox1111github doesn't provide that.17:34
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kfox1111if its in an openstack managed repo, that's possible.17:34
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docaedothere's some truth and value there, but you could still keep it on your own github account, and we tie in some app-catalog CI (that you've talked about) to test contributed Heat elements17:34
kfox1111I guess as econd benifit is the reviewers.17:34
kfox1111they can say "oh, thats good, but if you do it this way, its even better"17:35
kfox1111I've already given j^2 help in that reguard with his heat template.17:35
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docaedoyep, and it's been great feeback (I've been watching)17:35
docaedoin reality though, folks should be getting that from #openstack-heat17:35
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kfox1111if we have an app-catalog-heat repo, we ccan probably encurage heat developers to watch it.17:36
docaedohey, j^2, nice to see you!17:36
kfox1111but they currently have single no place to go and look17:36
kfox1111with a git repo/gerrit, you can preemptively find things.17:36
j^2Hi! I've been heads down on something17:36
docaedoj^2: no prob17:36
kfox1111with #irc+github, you have to wait for a developer to ask.17:36
docaedoso on this Heat repo topic, is it worth surfacing on the ML with [heat] in the subject, asking if they think there's value in creating a repo specifically for contributors17:37
kfox1111like, I had no idea j^2 had a heat template until he tried to add an app catalog entry.17:37
kfox1111yeah, I think thats a good action item.17:37
docaedoand by extension, that repo becomes a place to test heat stuff and get feedback from heat community17:38
kfox1111if we can get some heat developers to watch the repo, then it will cause much better quaility heat templates to be produced.17:38
kfox1111alternitively, if enough develoeprs start contributing to it, there will aready be a set of developers interested in watching it.17:38
docaedo#action docaedo to writ to ML regarding Heat contributors repo for app-catalog17:38
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kzaitsev_mbthat seems like a big if to me (although I do not know a lot about heat community responsiveness)17:39
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kzaitsev_mbso it might actually  work out17:39
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kfox1111it may, or it may not. can't be much worse then not trying?17:41
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docaedoyep - I'm goign to write the note before I let myself walk away from the computer this morning :)17:42
docaedoAnything else for open discussion? I don't have anything else on my own list17:42
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docaedook - unless anyone else speaks up in the next minute or so, we can end early and move on to whatever else we're all up to...17:44
kfox1111I think thats probably about it.17:45
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docaedoThanks for joining today :)  Talk to you all on #openstack-app-catalog!17:45
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rkukurahi GBP’ers!18:00
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ivar-lazzaro ransari magesh Yi yapeng: hi18:00
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you beat me today :-P18:00
rkukurathat’s rare18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda
SumitNaiksatamfor the past few weeks we have been deliberating as to what is a good time to release Kilo18:01
SumitNaiksatampart of the reason in the delay has been that we have users testing this, and providing feedback18:02
SumitNaiksatamand we want to make sure that those issues get addressed in the release18:02
SumitNaiksatambut given all that, we have most of the things we need18:02
SumitNaiksatamfor what remains, we can get those committed in the next few days, and/or backport after the release is cut18:03
SumitNaiksatamso with that, I would like to propose that we do the release on Aug 14th18:03
SumitNaiksatami already check with most of you, but if you do have concerns with this timeline please do let me know18:04
SumitNaiksatamideally, i will try to do a K-4 release sometime before that18:04
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Is there a list of iterms to get in?18:05
ransariSumitNaiksatam - Once Kilo is released, any backport needs to be to both Kilo and Juno18:05
SumitNaiksatamransari: yes, depending on the severity of the issue18:05
SumitNaiksatamwe will be maintaining Juno and Kilo, while we develop on Liberty18:06
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: good question18:06
SumitNaiksatamlets discuss that18:06
SumitNaiksatam#topic Bugs18:06
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Is my understanding correct that our master branch will continue to require kilo neutron for the short term at least?18:07
SumitNaiksatamI am hoping to spend most of the time today on triangulating the list of items to fix before kilo release (as rkukura mentions)18:07
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: correct18:07
ransari@SumitNaiksatam- couple of bugs that need to get in are:,,,,18:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1479706 in Group Based Policy "GBP Service chaining errors are are not vsible to the user because of not having status attribute" [Undecided,New]18:08
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i am guessing that we will end following a similar process/timeline as to what we did in Kilo (hopefullly we will sync up sooner though)18:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1482325 in Group Based Policy UI "Instances in ERROR state don't show in GBP Member list" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to ank (ank.b)18:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1463928 in Group Based Policy UI "External connectivity UI is missing" [Critical,Confirmed]18:08
SumitNaiksatamransari: okay18:08
SumitNaiksatamthats a handful!18:09
SumitNaiksatami seem to have completely missed: #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1479706 in Group Based Policy "GBP Service chaining errors are are not vsible to the user because of not having status attribute" [Undecided,New]18:09
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: What about
SumitNaiksatamoh sorry, i think we discussed this18:10
SumitNaiksatami mean we had discussed  #link
openstackLaunchpad bug 1479706 in Group Based Policy "GBP Service chaining errors are are not vsible to the user because of not having status attribute" [Undecided,New]18:10
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: lets get to in a minute18:11
SumitNaiksatamregarding bug/1479706 i dont think we reached a conclusion18:11
SumitNaiksatambut we didnt have magesh that day, is magesh around today?18:11
mageshSumitNaiksatam: yes, I am here :-18:12
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SumitNaiksatammagesh: so my understanding is that we are going to spend some time in Liberty trying to design the asyn interface, while keeping both, sync and async, options available to the user18:13
SumitNaiksatammagesh: do you have a short term proposal in mind, that we can later evolve towards the above goal (in the context of the bug you have raised)?18:13
mageshSumitNaiksatam: Right, we do need a proper interface to handle the resource status18:14
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I actually meant, which also has schema changes.18:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1432816 in Group Based Policy "inconsistent template ownership during chain creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk)18:15
mageshSumitNaiksatam: Not having the status impacts the visibility of the errors for the user.  I am yet to to work out the details for a short term solution though.18:15
SumitNaiksatammagesh: ransari: to confirm, your users needs a fix for this in Kilo, right? (and backported to Juno)18:15
ransariit impacts the usability fro production deployments18:16
SumitNaiksatamransari: okay18:16
SumitNaiksatammagesh: rkukura: can we set aside about 30 minutes Friday morning (US time) to meet in #openstack-gbp and work out a shorter term solution?18:17
SumitNaiksatamof course everyone else in the team, who can, should also join18:17
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mageshSumitNaiksatam: I will not be available on Friday morning US time. I will be travelling18:17
SumitNaiksatammagesh: ah bummer18:18
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I think so. I don’t see a big problem defining a status attribute for our immediate needs, and adding more values later as things become more asynchronous, provided we don’t break clients.18:18
SumitNaiksatammagesh: are you available after this meeting?18:18
mageshSumitNaiksatam: okey, Lets discuss after this meeting18:18
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i agree18:18
SumitNaiksatammagesh: great18:18
SumitNaiksatamrkukura and others hopefully you can stick around a bit longer as well18:18
SumitNaiksatamso i am just going in the order in which items were posted18:19
SumitNaiksatamso #link
SumitNaiksatam“Fix Servicechain Instance update and spec update"18:19
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: does your objection still stand for this patch?18:20
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ivar-lazzarook now I remember this patch18:21
ivar-lazzaroI think we had a discussion about finding a common way to handle internal object changes18:21
ivar-lazzaroToday we only do it for new PTs in PTGs, we basically added a hook to the NCP that the RMD can call18:22
ivar-lazzaroThis doesn't scale very well, but I think we can use this method for now until we find a better way18:22
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: yes i recall we had the discussion18:23
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay18:23
ivar-lazzaroit's clearer than calling a "blind" SCI update18:23
SumitNaiksatammagesh: can you please respond to ivar-lazzaro’s comment and update accordingly?18:23
ivar-lazzaroand finding out later what is going on18:23
SumitNaiksatamnext one which ransari posted -
mageshSumitNaiksatam,ivar-lazzaro : okay, So the idea is to have another method with similar functionality as update SCI, is that correct ?18:24
SumitNaiksatammagesh: i agree with ivar-lazzaro that we should make it consistent with existing approach18:24
SumitNaiksatam - Gracefully handle parameter updates that affects Service Chain18:25
mageshSumitNaiksatam: ok18:25
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SumitNaiksatamanyone have objections to the above patch/approach ^^^18:26
SumitNaiksatammagesh: we dont need a schema update for this?18:26
SumitNaiksatamoh probably not18:26
mageshSumitNaiksatam: No, there is no db updates here18:26
SumitNaiksatammagesh: and the claim is that this is backward compatible?18:27
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SumitNaiksatambecause we are going from more restrictive to less restrictive18:27
mageshSumitNaiksatam: Yes, there is an api update for making classifier ID in SCI an updatable field though18:27
mageshthe rest are just internal workflow changes18:28
SumitNaiksatammagesh: so are we using the classifier ID today in the service chain heat driver?18:28
mageshSumitNaiksatam: Yes, In the heat driver we are using it to derive the firewall rule18:29
SumitNaiksatammagesh: ah okay, for the firewall rules18:29
SumitNaiksatammagesh: however i dont see in our patch that the heat driver is getting updated?18:30
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SumitNaiksatami am trying to understand what is being done with the update in your patch18:30
mageshSumitNaiksatam: The update scenario is already handled in the heat node driver, although that code is not exercised today18:30
SumitNaiksatammagesh: ah okay, i missed that18:30
mageshRight now, we delete the chain and recreate it for any updates18:31
SumitNaiksatamalright, assuming ivar-lazzaro, rkukura you got a chance to look at this patch, do you foresee any issues with allowing this update?18:31
mageshThis patch tries to avoid that as much as possible (may be a Policy Rule, PRS, PTG or Classifier updates)18:31
ransariright, its not just a classifier update18:32
SumitNaiksatammagesh: sounds reasonable to me18:32
SumitNaiksatamand the driver can reject the update?18:32
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I haven’t looked closely enough yet to have an opinion18:32
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:33
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mageshSumitNaiksatam: yes, a driver can reject the update in validate method itself18:33
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: any objections?18:33
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro is probably reviewing in real time ;-)18:34
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: multitasking a lot atm ;)18:35
ivar-lazzaroI'll review asap, no objections in the concept so far18:35
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: no worries18:35
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay18:35
SumitNaiksatamransari regading - Launchpad bug 1463928 in Group Based Policy UI "External connectivity UI is missing"18:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1463928 in Group Based Policy UI "External connectivity UI is missing" [Critical,Confirmed]
ivar-lazzarothat's obviously better to be graceful when we can18:35
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: right18:35
ivar-lazzarocan't be too rude with the poor chains18:35
SumitNaiksatamransari: this is a big one18:35
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: lol!18:35
SumitNaiksatamransari: i dont know who is working on this18:36
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SumitNaiksatamransari: we also need at least a short discussion on how we want to go about designing this UI before we implement18:36
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ransariSumitNaiksatam: sorry I stepped away18:37
SumitNaiksatamransari: no worries18:38
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SumitNaiksatamransari: i am a bit concerned that we dont have an owner for the above18:38
ransariThis is an abosulte must for the production deployment18:38
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SumitNaiksatamransari: i agree, but we are behind on this18:38
ransariAnkaiah can be specified as the owner18:38
SumitNaiksatamransari: okay, good to know18:38
ransariBut we need to discuss on how to proceed18:39
SumitNaiksatamransari: right18:39
SumitNaiksatamransari: okay lets follow up offline, i would like to know what the user feedback and expectations are on this18:39
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SumitNaiksatamransari: have we covered all your items?18:40
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you mentioned
openstackLaunchpad bug 1432816 in Group Based Policy "inconsistent template ownership during chain creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk)18:40
SumitNaiksatamransari: ok good18:41
SumitNaiksatamso in rkukura you seem to have the last comment18:41
SumitNaiksatambut seems like a minor one18:41
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: That one is still WIP18:41
SumitNaiksatamhate to bug ivar-lazzaro again18:41
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: your nova driver depends on the above?18:42
ivar-lazzaroyeah the WIP is due to lack of validation so far18:42
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: okay, seems like rkukura validated, no?18:42
ransariDid we cover:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1482325 in Group Based Policy UI "Instances in ERROR state don't show in GBP Member list" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to ank (ank.b)18:42
ivar-lazzarowaiting for rkukura to validate the the VMs are created correctly and the SG rules works18:42
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: not sure about SG rules being applied18:42
SumitNaiksatamransari: we did not cover, but i will follow up separately, i think it should be pretty doable18:43
rkukuraOnly way I was able to get VMs to use the PT’s port is to use this patch and configure the UUID of the service tenant that owns the VM. Would like the option of specify tenant by name or UUID.18:43
ransariSumitNaiksatam: ok18:43
ivar-lazzarorkukura: I think that tenant names could overlap18:43
ivar-lazzarorkukura: that's why UUIDs are used18:43
rkukuraivar-lazzaro: Right, looking at the SG rules is at the top of my list18:43
rkukuraUUIDs are OK, but difficult to configure, especially in devstack18:44
rkukuraHow can different tenants log in if they have the same name?18:44
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ivar-lazzarorkukura: good point18:45
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ivar-lazzarorkukura: got to investigate this18:45
rkukuraI should be able to validate the SG rules tomorrow, if not tonight.18:46
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: nice18:46
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: perhaps you can relay your findings to ivar-lazzaro18:46
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: perhaps okay to use tenant name?18:46
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I’ll update the review, and email ivar-lazzaro18:46
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks?18:46
ivar-lazzarorkukura: thx!18:46
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: and error out if there is ambiguity/overlap?18:47
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: sounds good18:47
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sorry i meant - thanks”!” :-)18:47
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: ok cool18:47
SumitNaiksatamso what else did we miss in terms of bugs that are targets for kilo?18:48
SumitNaiksatami will plug the couple of patches that i posted (in response to bugs) -18:48
SumitNaiksatam (Friendlier consumed/provided PRS input for PTG)18:49
SumitNaiksatam (Quota support for GBP resources)18:49
SumitNaiksatamboth are still not completely done18:49
SumitNaiksatamthere are at least a couple of CLI bugs in addition18:49
SumitNaiksatamanything else we missed?18:50
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ivar-lazzaro: magesh: ?18:50
ransariSumitNaiksatam: definitely improves usability!18:50
SumitNaiksatamransari: okay18:50
SumitNaiksatamoh we missed ivar-lazzaro’s patch18:50
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i believe the -1 is mostly very small things?18:51
SumitNaiksatamthe above is “subnet allocation improvement"18:51
rkukuratrivial, but didn’t want the bug closed by this patch18:51
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:52
ivar-lazzaroI'll change the commit message right away18:52
ivar-lazzaroand update the rest of the comments later18:52
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro thanks for working on this - we cannot release without this fix18:52
ivar-lazzaroI have it as a dependency anyways, so I push new patchsets often18:52
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: assuming it really improves as much as it should ;)18:52
rkukuraMight as well address the mispelled variable name too while you are at it.18:53
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SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: i think it will, really appreciate you coming up with the interim solution until we leverage the other components18:53
SumitNaiksatamivar-lazzaro: at least it should address most cases18:54
ivar-lazzarohope to see some numbers soon!18:54
SumitNaiksatam#topic Testing18:54
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SumitNaiksatama quick update on integration gate jon18:54
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SumitNaiksatamwe now have a rally job running for both branches18:55
SumitNaiksatami have set the concurrency to 1018:55
SumitNaiksatami do see a few failures at times18:55
SumitNaiksatamwe havent merged the test in-tree, but if anyone wants to contribute more tests, we can get them in the tree right away (and be able to run it as a part of the external gbp rally package)18:56
SumitNaiksatamjust reach out to me18:56
SumitNaiksatam#topic Packaging update18:56
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything?18:56
rkukuranot this week18:56
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:57
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:57
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SumitNaiksatamanything else we missed?18:57
SumitNaiksatamwould request everyone to please be deligent with the reviews in the next few days18:57
SumitNaiksatamit will help our ability to get a good release out18:58
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks for fixing the client dependencies!18:58
SumitNaiksatamalright thanks everyone!18:58
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I hope I got it right18:58
SumitNaiksatammagesh: rkukura ivar-lazzaro ransari, can you join #openstack-gbp ?18:59
mageshSumitNaiksatam: ok18:59
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i think it works18:59
SumitNaiksatambye all!18:59
ivar-lazzaroSumitNaiksatam: ok18:59
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mattgriffinhi megm20:01
megmHi, Matt!20:01
mattgriffinanyone else here for the ha-guide meeting?20:01
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mattgriffinmegm, i don't have much to share today. i have been slacking and haven't emailed anyone like i said i would last week to do content reviews and file bugs20:03
megmIt happens...  I haven't been working on this much, either.  I kind of feel like we're spinning until we get some technical people contributing.20:04
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megmSo do we have anything to discuss?20:06
mattgriffinmegm, i don't think so20:06
mattgriffinaction mattgriffin do his todo's last week20:06
megmOne question was whether we should try having an occasional call on Eastern hemisphere time.20:06
megmI don't know if that would get more participation or not.20:06
megmSee what happens when you are able to reach out to some people about content.20:07
mattgriffinmegm, sorry... phone call20:08
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megmnp.  Shall we end the call so you can get back to it?20:09
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megmUnless, is anyone else here for the HA Guide meeting?20:09
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mattgriffinso re: alt time... yes. that's on my todo to float that proposal/questionnaire to the mailing list20:10
mattgriffinaction mattgriffin send a survey for an alternate (occasional) Eastern hemisphere time for the HA Guide meeting20:10
megmMatt, souonds good.  So unless someone else has joined to discuss the HA Guide, are we done?20:10
mattgriffincool. yeah. i think so20:10
megmHave a great week!20:11
mattgriffinyou too20:11
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