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| j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 10 16:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:01 |
| j^2 | hey everyone! | 16:01 |
| j^2 | i’ll give everyone a few mins to join | 16:02 |
| sc` | o/ | 16:03 |
| j^2 | sc`: while i have your ear... | 16:03 |
| j^2 | can you make the…pedantic changes for that review so we can get the testing repo in? | 16:03 |
| j^2 | i want to push this asap, so we can get stable stampped asap | 16:04 |
| sc` | yup. i'll work on that | 16:04 |
| jklare | hi o/ | 16:04 |
| j^2 | awesome thanks sc` | 16:05 |
| j^2 | we need to start working on liberty like…last week | 16:05 |
| markvan | howdy | 16:05 |
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| j^2 | so i’m gonna give this free form, a shot so lets start the discussion | 16:06 |
| j^2 | i do have one thing i’d like to mention | 16:06 |
| j^2 | we’ve lost a lot of our drive lately, i’m seeing this becoming a problem | 16:06 |
| j^2 | is it just because its summer? | 16:07 |
| j^2 | or are people loosing interest in this project? | 16:07 |
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| jklare | no idea | 16:08 |
| j^2 | :( | 16:09 |
| j^2 | i’d like some feedback | 16:09 |
| jklare | maybe everything is working too good to patch it ;) | 16:09 |
| j^2 | jklare: :D that would be awesome, but i don’t think thats true | 16:10 |
| j^2 | sc`, markvan any thoughts? | 16:11 |
| markvan | for me it's 2 things, a lull between releases and other approaches being considered | 16:11 |
| j^2 | markvan: yep, i hear that through back channels too | 16:11 |
| jklare | i think for most people its just easier to fork the upstream project and not have to deal with all these gerrit/testing/codereview stuff | 16:11 |
| sc` | for myself, i have to context switch between icehouse and this project | 16:12 |
| j^2 | sc`: that makes sense | 16:12 |
| jklare | and something maybe not directly related, but it is becoming more and more complex to understand and patch trough all of the cookbooks | 16:12 |
| j^2 | jklare: yep, that’s gotten to the point where its only like 1/2 of the people of the subset of the group that even thinks about this stuff can patch intelegently. | 16:13 |
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| jklare | i am currently trying to get a full kilo cluster with to work with our forks of the cookbooks and even tough i have read a lot of code from the cookbooks it still takes me a lot of time to figure out where to patch stuff | 16:14 |
| j^2 | so where does this leave us? | 16:14 |
| sc` | one thing that i've noticed is that it isn't nearly as straightforward as it used to be to use the cookbooks with existing chef infrastructure | 16:14 |
| jklare | so maybe a big goal for the next cycle could be to simplify all of the cookbooks | 16:15 |
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| j^2 | i’m working on something i’m calling the “model-t” build of openstack; it’s the chef build of the install guide | 16:15 |
| j^2 | its not taking anything from the community, and is opinionated | 16:15 |
| jklare | and maybe not support all possible options, but allow users to wrap these cookbooks more easily | 16:15 |
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| j^2 | jklare: i’d love that, but i’m worried no one is going to around for that | 16:16 |
| jklare | ? | 16:16 |
| jklare | you think nobody want to do that? | 16:16 |
| jklare | i mean its basically just a decision on how to continue the whole development process | 16:17 |
| j^2 | i think people would love to do that, but it’s a TON of work | 16:17 |
| jklare | of course it is | 16:17 |
| jklare | and moving a lot of code to oslo also was a lot of work | 16:17 |
| j^2 | yep | 16:18 |
| jklare | but it will not get easier by just not doing this work | 16:18 |
| j^2 | true | 16:18 |
| jklare | question is if the majority of our active contributors want to commit to that or not | 16:19 |
| j^2 | yep | 16:19 |
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| jklare | btw. i am not sure if that is even the reason why we do not have more contributors | 16:21 |
| sc` | we need to have an alternative to build openstack from nothing using the cookbooks. chef-provisioning is awesome and all, but it doesn't lend itself to portability | 16:21 |
| j^2 | ok, so yeah that’s what my model t is | 16:22 |
| j^2 | let me push it up one sec | 16:22 |
| j^2 | https://github.com/chef-partners/openstack-model-t | 16:23 |
| j^2 | it’s still a WIP | 16:24 |
| jklare | maybe that is a good topic to talk about in a additional call/hangout something ? | 16:25 |
| j^2 | sure? | 16:25 |
| jklare | because i do not think that we can come to a good end of this discussion in this meeting | 16:25 |
| j^2 | agreed | 16:25 |
| sc` | +1 | 16:25 |
| j^2 | but it’s something to think about | 16:25 |
| sc` | more discussion is needed | 16:25 |
| jklare | markvan? | 16:26 |
| j^2 | i wanted to sow the seed, i’m just worried about the future that’s all | 16:26 |
| j^2 | we went to so much work getting part of the foundation/big tent, then we seemed to just drop it | 16:26 |
| sc` | some of that is the perception that we're still not a big tent project | 16:27 |
| markvan | yeah, some type of simplification of the cookbooks would be interesting step, but I don't like to dummy something down without a good reason | 16:27 |
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| markvan | sc`: getting ahead on liberty would be good to help with that | 16:28 |
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| sc` | yup | 16:28 |
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| jklare | do we want to go through the agenda today? | 16:29 |
| j^2 | markvan: the good reason is that even with the openstack-chef-repo it’s still crazy complex, and it scares adoption. I’m in the process of helping writing a doc on how to create an AIO build on metal though so you can move from the vagrant setup to something with a physical hardware | 16:29 |
| j^2 | jklare: not really to be honest, i’m betting there is little to no progress with anything. Granted i do ack your commited to the 6am build in infra :D | 16:30 |
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| j^2 | i’m feeling pretty beat up about our project | 16:30 |
| jklare | so, i think the specs.openstack.org thing is mainly done (at least for the simple part of using it) | 16:31 |
| jklare | the cross repo testing is also working as far as i could see from markvans patches? | 16:31 |
| markvan | yeah, spending more time on the repo doc and steps would be a good thing, and would lead to better specs/blueprints to improve the cookbooks. | 16:31 |
| markvan | yup, cross repo seems to be working well. | 16:32 |
| markvan | but I did not see the periodic spin get run yet | 16:32 |
| jklare | so i think we are making good progress overall | 16:32 |
| jklare | me neither | 16:32 |
| jklare | but i wanted to ask infra what has happened there | 16:32 |
| markvan | yeah, don't know where to look for issues on that | 16:33 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:33 |
| jklare | i will ping some guys on infra | 16:33 |
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| markvan | thx, would be good to see that get in place | 16:33 |
| j^2 | cool anything else? | 16:34 |
| markvan | only a couple patches that we might want in kilo....set branch date ? | 16:34 |
| j^2 | markvan: nope, not until that centos7 patch is in | 16:35 |
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| j^2 | i refuse to make that happen till we can repeatably build both ubuntu and centos | 16:35 |
| markvan | yup, agreed | 16:36 |
| j^2 | sc`: promised me he’d make it happen today ;) | 16:36 |
| j^2 | rrriiight? | 16:36 |
| sc` | the feedback is being addressed | 16:36 |
| sc` | just need to sit down for a few and finish the spec stuff | 16:37 |
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| j^2 | :D | 16:39 |
| markvan | any body know if that db slave connection patch needs to get in, I think the base one is ready https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199917/, but the use one has a typo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203583/ | 16:39 |
| j^2 | cool | 16:40 |
| j^2 | we need the other patch fixed by the community member first | 16:41 |
| markvan | and j^2 I think the neutron repo one is also ready, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196858/ it's a step in the right direction | 16:42 |
| j^2 | it’s still -1 :( | 16:42 |
| markvan | yeah, I was going to take a look at that again to see if I can reproduce that timing issue, but I think that is unrelated to this specific patch, it's just a bug in the network cookbook somewhere | 16:43 |
| j^2 | makes sense | 16:43 |
| j^2 | anything else? | 16:43 |
| j^2 | that’s to everyone ^^ | 16:43 |
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| jklare | nope | 16:45 |
| markvan | no | 16:45 |
| j^2 | cool | 16:45 |
| j^2 | i’ll give yall your 15 mins back then | 16:45 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 16:46:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-08-10-16.01.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-08-10-16.01.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-08-10-16.01.log.html | 16:46 |
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| NobodyCam | good mornign | 17:00 |
| jroll | ohai | 17:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 10 17:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| devananda | hi folks! | 17:00 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | The agenda, as usual, is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:00 |
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| devananda | also - reminder - our midcycle is this week (starting in ~2 days) | 17:01 |
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| * dtantsur put some stuff on agenda, so it's not empty today :) | 17:01 | |
| devananda | so it's possible some folks are travelling today | 17:01 |
| natorious | \o | 17:01 |
| devananda | dtantsur: woot! | 17:01 |
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| devananda | I'll give everyone a few minutes to join ... | 17:01 |
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| JoshNang | o/ | 17:01 |
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| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | also please note that the location has been updated for the mid-cycle | 17:02 |
| * krtaylor wishes he could go | 17:02 | |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:03 | |
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| * devananda lost his link ... | 17:03 | |
| devananda | reminder: midcycle new address: Renaissance Seattle Hotel, 515 Madison Street, Seattle, Washington 98104 | 17:04 |
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| devananda | anyone else have announcements? | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Start time 9am on Wednesday? | 17:04 |
| devananda | yep | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 17:04 |
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| rloo | meeting time -- is it official, we're going to hold it weekly at this day/time? | 17:04 |
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| NobodyCam | yep | 17:05 |
| devananda | rloo: oh yes, thanks! | 17:05 |
| thiagop | great news | 17:05 |
| devananda | I'll send out hte email and get the openstack calendar updated | 17:05 |
| rloo | thx devananda | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | awesome TY | 17:05 |
| sergek | tx | 17:05 |
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| devananda | ok, moving on | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | devananda: If you like I can do the openstack calendar patch. | 17:05 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:06 | |
| devananda | jlvillal: that'd be great, ty | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | I will add you as reviewer | 17:06 |
| * jroll updates neutron subteam status | 17:07 | |
| NobodyCam | devananda: seems to have dropped | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | hey hey jroll here? | 17:07 |
| jroll | hi | 17:07 |
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| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt neutron. what does it mean to miss the nova boat? we get the rest of the code done anyway and wait? | 17:08 |
| jroll | for the status reports | 17:08 |
| devananda | aaand i'm back | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | hey hey happen to want to give a update on the ml2 | 17:08 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, missed feature freeze, so we'll get everything else done and land it in L | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | looks like we missed the nova timeline | 17:08 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: just updated the whiteboard :) | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:08 |
| * jroll finding link for patches | 17:08 | |
| jroll | this updates the data model and APIs to add portgroups etc https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/ironic-ml2-integration,n,z | 17:09 |
| jroll | could use reviews | 17:09 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/ironic-ml2-integration,n,z | 17:09 |
| devananda | jroll: thanks | 17:10 |
| devananda | jlvillal: welcome back from vacation :) | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll: no hurry on those patches though cuz we'll have to wait for M anyway? | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Thanks :) | 17:10 |
| jroll | rloo: I'd like to land the ironic stuff in Liberty | 17:10 |
| jroll | and nova just won't support it yet | 17:10 |
| devananda | rloo: yea, the ironic side should be landable anyway | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll: ok. (just want to understand Liberty priorities.) | 17:10 |
| devananda | TheJulia: any updates on bifrost? | 17:11 |
| devananda | dtantsur: do you have a dashboard showing hte history of gate-ironic-inspector-dsvm-nv ? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | nope, which is pretty unfortunate | 17:11 |
| devananda | dtantsur: also, what project(s) is it running against at the moment? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | non-voting on ironic, ironic-inspector, python-ironic-inspector-client | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | TheJulia: want to chat about the work around group-var refactoring for bifrost? | 17:12 |
| devananda | dtantsur: once you're comfortable with it, we should enable voting on ironic-inspector and python-ironic-inspector-client | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | devananda, yeah, I'm planning on it. I even have a patch with -1 from jenkins :) | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | (patch to project-config) | 17:12 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: wdyt about having it vote on ironic? -- my sense is that's not necessary. Ironic changes should never break it, and if we do, we should revert that patch because we would have just broken other users too | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | yeah, definitely not a requirement for now | 17:13 |
| devananda | cool | 17:13 |
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| devananda | I see only one update in the driver section | 17:14 |
| devananda | naohirot has proposed a spec for NMI / soft power off work that should be doable by most power/management drivers | 17:15 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org//#/c/186700 | 17:15 |
| jroll | for that one | 17:15 |
| jroll | which needs some updates but is getting there | 17:15 |
| devananda | would like to get other driver maintainers to look at it ^^ | 17:15 |
| devananda | #info driver authors / maintainers, please review https://review.openstack.org//#/c/186700 -- "Enhance Power Interface for Soft Reboot and NMI" | 17:16 |
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| devananda | any other updates from folks? | 17:16 |
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| devananda | ok, thanks all, let's move on | 17:17 |
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| devananda | #topic node tagging spec | 17:17 |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192935/ | 17:17 |
| devananda | I'm not sure who put this on the agenda, but I'm happy to talk about it for 10 minutes | 17:17 |
| thiagop | quite silent... | 17:19 |
| devananda | actually, i'm not sure why this is on the agenda ... | 17:19 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ? | 17:19 |
| rloo | what's the question (for the tagging spec)? | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | yeah, sorry | 17:19 |
| devananda | yea, I just reviewed the spec again and I dont see what ht equestion is ... | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | oh not, that one wasn't me, but I'm ready to chat on it :) | 17:20 |
| rloo | let's move on then. | 17:20 |
| devananda | ramki left a review comment "Still not clear why we are avoiding the FK constraint. May be rationale needs to be explained." | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | why drop from length from 255 to 64? | 17:20 |
| rloo | whoever added it to the agenda should have indicated why. | 17:20 |
| devananda | rloo: indeed | 17:20 |
| devananda | ok, let's move on | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | I'd chat on it, but we have more pressing questions IMO | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | let us start with ironic-lib? | 17:21 |
| devananda | sure | 17:21 |
| devananda | #topic ironic-lib | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ironic-lib (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:21 | |
| dtantsur | so, we've synced some code, and we need to release it | 17:21 |
| devananda | this seems to have stalled for a while ... | 17:21 |
| devananda | oh great! let's do a release | 17:21 |
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| rloo | +1 for a release of ironic-lib | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | yeah, otherwise we'll be syncing code forever :) | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | devananda: no, sorry for the delay, basically just trying to clean things up so we can get ansible 2.0 working and post the roles | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | after the release we need to add a dsvm job for ironic-lib pretty quickly | 17:22 |
| * TheJulia is a call at the moment | 17:22 | |
| dtantsur | we may even do it in advance IMO | 17:22 |
| rloo | also need to add to global requirements | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | yeah, good catch | 17:22 |
| rloo | and update ironic to use the lib quickly before things get out of sync again | 17:23 |
| jroll | yeah, my opinion would be dsvm -> release -> global-reqs -> update ironic | 17:23 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | does this ironic-lib impact the drivers' code? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | jroll ++ | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, it will impact iSCSI deploy implementation | 17:23 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ ... dsvm job should come before release | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | though it won't test anything :) | 17:24 |
| jroll | dtantsur: and thus could probably affect other drivers | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | but yeah, we should do it asap anyway | 17:24 |
| jroll | mmm, good point | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | Having noop dsvm sounds good to me | 17:24 |
| jroll | so do we care about backwards compat for out-of-tree drivers using this? | 17:24 |
| jroll | (because it's certainly possible) | 17:24 |
| devananda | jroll: oh | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | tbh we never cared when moving around code... | 17:24 |
| jroll | it's fairly easy to solve with just some dummy functions in the old place that copy to the new | 17:25 |
| devananda | jroll: I would say, yes, we care about that | 17:25 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dtantsur, jroll thanks. what kind of changes should happend in drivers to cope with the new library? | 17:25 |
| jroll | I tend to agree, especially with it being easy | 17:25 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: we're figuring that out now :P | 17:25 |
| devananda | the libraries we currently include within ironic, eg. utils, etc, is something we encourage driver authors to use | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | devananda, it's an interesting observation because up to now we were just changing code without thinking about it | 17:26 |
| devananda | ie, we do have a responsibility to anyone consuming it | 17:26 |
| rloo | but dtantsur is correct in that we never cared before when we modified those functions w/i ironic. | 17:26 |
| devananda | let's approach this first by replacing the methods we're moving into ironic-lib with shims that call ironic-lib | 17:26 |
| devananda | so we don't need to make changes even to the in-tree driver | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | should we eventually define "the driver SDK"? | 17:27 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 17:27 |
| gabriel-bezerra | sounds good to me | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | good topic for M summit | 17:27 |
| rloo | devananda: will the shims be temporary? | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | mmm yes | 17:27 |
| gabriel-bezerra | rloo: i hope so | 17:27 |
| devananda | off hand, I would say the API defined in drivers/base as well as all the methods in drivers/utils | 17:27 |
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| devananda | rloo: yes. we could add a deprecation warning in those shims during L | 17:28 |
| devananda | and remove them in M | 17:28 |
| rloo | devananda: +1 then | 17:28 |
| gabriel-bezerra | devananda: +1 | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | ++ giving folks time to update any out of tree things | 17:28 |
| devananda | that will give out of tree driver authors clear notice (in the log files their drivers generate) that hey, this library is changing, here's what you need to do | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | and let us add versioning to these functions | 17:28 |
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| devananda | lol | 17:29 |
| rloo | sure, cuz dtantsur loves versioning! | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | :D | 17:29 |
| * devananda notices that conductor/utils also forms part of our driver API | 17:29 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: wait. ironic-lib IS adding versioning :D | 17:29 |
| * BadCub is a tad bit more than "fashionably late" today | 17:29 | |
| dtantsur | BadCub, o/ | 17:29 |
| devananda | relatedly, I think we should move node_power_action and node_set_boot_device from conductor/utils to driver/utils | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | heheh emornign BadCub :) | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | jroll, fair point | 17:29 |
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| devananda | because those are effectively part of the driver api | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | devananda, what about explicitly calling it something like ironic.driver.sdk? so that people understand what they should and should not use? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | I mean, call the module | 17:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: "sdk" is the wrong term here IMO, but yes, i agree that a good name will hlep | 17:30 |
| devananda | ironic.drivers.base for the interfaces | 17:30 |
| rloo | so ironic-lib is only going to include stuff that drivers use? | 17:30 |
| devananda | ironic.drivers.utils for the utility methods | 17:31 |
| devananda | ^^ what we have now | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | ddk "Driver development kit" | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | rloo, we started it because we needed to share code between ironic and agent | 17:31 |
| thiagop | lol | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, LOL | 17:31 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh. so maybe ironic-driver-lib? | 17:31 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDK | 17:32 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I would move several methods or modules from ironic.drivers.modules.* into ironic.drivers.utils | 17:32 |
| jroll | it's actually a thing | 17:32 |
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| jroll | .b 60 | 17:32 |
| jroll | oops | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:32 |
| devananda | ddk isn't a bad name, except usually one releases a ddk separately from the drivers themselves ... at least in my previous experience | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | devananda ++ for moving | 17:33 |
| jroll | ok, so we're going to shim the things, going to do the ironic-lib thing, sounds like we have a plan? | 17:33 |
| devananda | anyway, we coulan bikeshed on names another time :) | 17:33 |
| devananda | jroll: yep. sounds like a plan | 17:33 |
| devananda | there were 4 steps in your plan | 17:33 |
| jroll | cool | 17:33 |
| devananda | first was a dsvm job -- who's doing that? | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | do we want a # agreed on this? | 17:34 |
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| devananda | wow, it's quiet in here :p | 17:35 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, I can propose a job | 17:35 |
| thiagop | (though I didn't saw anybody disagreeing) | 17:35 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: thanks much | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: awesome TY | 17:36 |
| rloo | but we need to know the name(s) since it affects the library | 17:36 |
| devananda | rloo: name of? | 17:36 |
| jroll | the library already has a name... | 17:36 |
| rloo | the library and the ironic.drivers.modules stuff (or is that ok as is)? | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | the former is more or less settled, the latter can be decided later IMO :) | 17:36 |
| devananda | tangent - do oslo libs have dsvm jobs on them? | 17:37 |
| rloo | or maybe i wasn't paying attention. if the library is good to go then fine. | 17:37 |
| * devananda checks | 17:37 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | devananda, they do | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | (at least those I contributed to) | 17:37 |
| devananda | some do, some don't | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | fyi two topics and 22 minutes on the clock | 17:38 |
| devananda | so, my thinking is that this lib should not be in the global gate | 17:38 |
| devananda | so we shouldn't put it into the pipelines that ARE in the gate | 17:38 |
| jroll | we can give it a different name to block any chaining | 17:38 |
| devananda | it should, however, be in ironic's gate | 17:38 |
| devananda | jroll: exactly | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | not sure I get what your guys discuss... | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | * you | 17:39 |
| devananda | #agreed new devstack job for ironic-lib should be created and added to ironic's gate, but not any of the global gate pipelines | 17:39 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: a change in nova should not trigger this test run | 17:39 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I'll show you outside of this meeting | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | ack thanks :) | 17:40 |
| devananda | once that's landed, pls poke me and I'll do a 0.1.0 release | 17:40 |
| devananda | then we can start with the refactoring / creating shims | 17:40 |
| devananda | in Ironic | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:40 |
| devananda | #note in the meantime - do not land any changes to iSCSI code, or other code that's going into ironic-lib. let's not have to sync it again | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | ack | 17:41 |
| devananda | moving on | 17:41 |
| devananda | #topic introducing retry-after header? | 17:41 |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/209207 | 17:41 |
| JoshNang | so for caching in zapping, we might hit a point where we don't have all the data necessary | 17:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that's you | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | that's more JoshNang :) go ahead | 17:41 |
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| devananda | oh, ok :) | 17:42 |
| devananda | JoshNang: could you clarify that? | 17:42 |
| JoshNang | and we need a way to indicate to the client that they need to wait X amount of time. we landed the spec saying we'd use the retry-after header, and the RFC says you should return a 503 | 17:42 |
| JoshNang | devananda: sure | 17:42 |
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| JoshNang | if you're using the agent for cleaning/zapping, it generates a list of steps when it boots. when a new node is added, it won't have the complete list of steps available until the agent starts and ironic queries it | 17:43 |
| JoshNang | in all other cases, ironic should cache the steps from the agent to avoid this | 17:43 |
| JoshNang | s/agent/IPA/ | 17:44 |
| devananda | that seems reasonable | 17:45 |
| devananda | re: 503, the service won't know exactly when it will know that, however | 17:45 |
| JoshNang | the main question is how do we indicate to the client 'try again in X seconds' while ironic boots IPA and gets the list of steps? | 17:45 |
| devananda | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-6.6.4 | 17:45 |
| devananda | indicates that the server is currently unable to handle the request due to a temporary overload or scheduled maintenance, which will likely be alleviated after some delay. | 17:45 |
| devananda | this header may be used by any proxy service between the client and server to rate limit traffic to that URL | 17:46 |
| devananda | ie, it may affect requests for the whole endpont | 17:46 |
| devananda | not just that node | 17:46 |
| JoshNang | right. so maybe we use a different header and a 406 as dtantsur suggested? | 17:46 |
| devananda | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-6.5.6 | 17:47 |
| devananda | that should be returned if a client asks for an XML representation of our JSON objects | 17:47 |
| devananda | it's not supported | 17:47 |
| devananda | ie, the request is not acceptable | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | I probably meant 409.. | 17:48 |
| * dtantsur always confuses these 2 | 17:48 | |
| devananda | 409 CONFLICT is what we already use for NodeLocked (and agreed we need to reduce/change) | 17:48 |
| devananda | and thta's a client error | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | yeah, we're abusing it a lot | 17:48 |
| devananda | there's not a good error code because, well, it's not an error | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | actually it should be some kind of 3xx code... | 17:48 |
| devananda | "server does not yet have the info you want" | 17:48 |
| jroll | devananda: so, we've been through all of this before | 17:48 |
| devananda | isn't an error in the server or in the client | 17:49 |
| jroll | basically I think we've determined there's no good return code for this | 17:49 |
| jroll | and this agenda item is "wat do" | 17:49 |
| devananda | an empty body is what we actually have | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | jroll, ++ | 17:49 |
| devananda | so perhaps the problem is that we're avoiding the problem right now by trying to use an HTTP error code | 17:49 |
| devananda | instead of returning an empty BODY and a custom header | 17:50 |
| rloo | wrt retry-after, looks like it is OK to use for eg 3xx: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-7.1.3 | 17:50 |
| devananda | with an HTTP 200 code | 17:50 |
| devananda | or a 204 NO CONTENT | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | maybe 202 accepted? | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | or 204, yeah.. | 17:51 |
| devananda | though 204 is usually used for PUT requests ...https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-6.3.5 | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | The 202 (Accepted) status code indicates that the request has been | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | accepted for processing, but the processing has not been completed. | 17:51 |
| devananda | does anyone have a problem with using 200 with an empty body? | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | I think 202 is the closest | 17:52 |
| devananda | gabriel-bezerra: right. both 202 and 204 are in relation to PUT or POST requests | 17:52 |
| devananda | but we're talking about a GET request here, right? | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | while it's weird to use 202 for get | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | I think using just 200 is even more confusing | 17:52 |
| gabriel-bezerra | idk, all I know comes from this meeting | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | at least "requested has been accepted for processing" sounds precise to me | 17:53 |
| devananda | ie, GET /v1/nodes/NNN/cleaning/all_steps | 17:53 |
| * jlvillal wonders if this is a good topic for further discussion at the mid-cycle | 17:53 | |
| devananda | JoshNang: ^ ? | 17:53 |
| jroll | well | 17:53 |
| JoshNang | devananda: correct | 17:53 |
| rloo | agree with dtantsur, 202 seems to make most sense | 17:53 |
| jroll | so what do we do for POST /v1/nodes/NNN/start/some/clean/step | 17:53 |
| devananda | 202 ACCEPTED doesn't make any sense for a GET request .... | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | why? | 17:53 |
| devananda | because GET doesn't indicate an action | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | jlvillal: good point ... it is in three days | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | then maybe it's NOT a GET actually? | 17:54 |
| gabriel-bezerra | devananda ++ | 17:54 |
| devananda | dtantsur: uh, it is ... | 17:54 |
| jroll | ok, let's back up | 17:54 |
| devananda | dtantsur: the client is trying to request (GET) some data which the server doesn' thave yet | 17:54 |
| jroll | is this ONLY a problem for "get list of steps" | 17:54 |
| JoshNang | yes | 17:54 |
| jroll | or is it also a problem for "run this step" | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | 5 minutes | 17:54 |
| devananda | jroll: that is my understanding -- only a problem for 'get list of steps | 17:54 |
| JoshNang | nope, only get. the put to start a step is expected to take some time | 17:54 |
| jroll | because I assume "run this step" requires ironic to know the step exists | 17:55 |
| jroll | ok | 17:55 |
| gabriel-bezerra | the return then is Either DontHaveYet or List() | 17:55 |
| devananda | 404 not found could also work | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | 404 is usually not retriable | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | though maybe.. | 17:55 |
| devananda | ie, /v1/nodes/NNN exists but /v1/nodes/NNN/cleaning doe snot yet exist | 17:55 |
| devananda | because that resource is not known yet | 17:55 |
| devananda | 404 does not imply that the resource will never exit | 17:55 |
| devananda | just that it doens't right now | 17:55 |
| devananda | anyway, we have 4 minutes left, so i'm tabling this for now | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | 404 with retry-after header... well, maybe | 17:56 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:56 |
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| NobodyCam | gosh 503 seems to make sense for this | 17:56 |
| devananda | because we should have some time for open discussion :) | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | we had one more topic on schedule as well :) | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | * agenda | 17:56 |
| jlvillal | FYI: The doc job in the gate is no longer broken. | 17:56 |
| JoshNang | wfm. feel free to discuss on the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209207/ | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | wanna flame war about which API version to leave in client? ;) | 17:56 |
| jroll | dtantsur: lol if you think that topic can happen in 3 minutes | 17:56 |
| jroll | :) | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | no chance | 17:57 |
| rloo | honestly, i couldn't even figure out from the mailing list what we had decided, if anything | 17:57 |
| devananda | dtantsur: 2.0 :-P | 17:57 |
| devananda | rloo: neither could I | 17:58 |
| jroll | we didn't make a decision on the client afaik | 17:58 |
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| dtantsur | that's a normal state of things with versioning in ironic :-P | 17:58 |
| devananda | in IRC last week we did reach a decision re: the server | 17:58 |
| devananda | I haven't seen any objections on the ML | 17:58 |
| devananda | jroll: want to do a release of the server today? or wait till wednesday when we can all go offline immediately afterwards and get a drink? ;) | 17:58 |
| rloo | devananda: oh, what was the decision in IRC wrt server? | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:59 |
| devananda | rloo: last week? ya | 17:59 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, I like wednesday | 17:59 |
| thiagop | LOL | 17:59 |
| devananda | jroll: cool | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | rloo, NOT to do anything about already landed ENROLL version 1.11 | 17:59 |
| jroll | rloo: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071361.html | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | and *beep* time | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks, that was a productive meeting | 18:00 |
| rloo | dtantsur, jroll: ok | 18:00 |
| devananda | beeeeeep :) | 18:00 |
| jroll | thanks all | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks all! | 18:00 |
| devananda | see (most of) you in a couple days! | 18:00 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thank you | 18:00 |
| jlvillal | Ciao! | 18:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 18:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-08-10-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-08-10-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-08-10-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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