Thursday, 2015-08-20

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sc68calIt's very last minute (5 hours technically) on my part, but we got good responses from some of the APAC members about this time, so I wanted to start getting in the habit of running at this time00:01
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sc68calThere are some good discussions happening on the mailing list - related to east-west traffic - let me fetch the link00:02
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sc68cal#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072447.html00:03
sc68callooks like the archives do not really like HTML e-mails :-\00:03
sc68cal#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FWaaS_with_DVR FwaaS with DVR etherpad00:04
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mickeysI did not realize that. Sorry.00:04
sc68calyeah guess your mail client needs to be configured to send both html and plaintext00:05
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sc68calSo the action items from last week were as follows : APAC friendly meeting, and review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/00:06
sc68calWe've knocked down #1 - so I think we'll need more time to do the review of that spec, probably by next week we'll be able to discuss00:07
sc68calit doesn't look like hoangcx or yushiro are on yet, I'll hang around to see if we can catch them - they probably haven't read their mail for the morning yet since my e-mail landed in the dead of night for them00:08
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sc68calOk, I'll go ahead and wrap it up - see everyone next week at 1830 UTC00:35
sc68cal#endmeeting00:36
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elmikosc68cal: is this the normal time/place for fwaas meeting?00:48
sc68calelmiko: yep00:49
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elmikosc68cal: i only ask because api-wg has alternating weekly meetings in -3 at 0000utc on thursday00:50
elmikoit just so happened we didn't have anyone today :/00:50
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elmikosc68cal: do you guys alternate between 0000 and 1830?00:54
sc68calyep00:54
elmikoah, ok. i wasn't seeing it on the schedule00:55
sc68calOK, I can change the room we meet in if we conflict with API wg00:55
sc68calyeah I've got a patch to ircmeetings in review00:55
elmikothis time is usually very sparsely populated for us. but it's our alternate00:55
elmikocool, i guess we can just let the review sort it out00:56
hoangcxsc68cal: Ping00:56
sc68calhoangcx: pong00:57
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hoangcxsc68cal: So sorry, i have just got update information about meeting time.00:57
sc68calhoangcx: no problem - I figured the last minute nature of it would be an issue00:57
sc68calhoangcx: but I'm just trying to get in the habit00:57
hoangcxsc68cal: I see. Thanks for your kindness :-)00:57
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hoangcxsc68cal: Logging API for SG and FW rules will be review by FWaaS core tesm by next week. Right?00:58
sc68calhoangcx: so, I'll take a look at it by next week, I'll poke some others to have them too00:59
hoangcxsc68cal: I am trying to talk to mestery about the status of the RFE.00:59
hoangcx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/146836600:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1468366 in neutron "RFE - Logging API for security group and firewall rules" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2)00:59
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hoangcxsc68cal: Currently, it is still "Confirm" status and would love to moving on because it will handle by us.01:00
hoangcxsc68cal: Nice. Thanks. We have more than 1 week before FF.01:01
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hoangcxsc68cal: If possible, could you please help me to discuss with mestery about the status too?01:04
sc68calI don't think it's going to make FF01:04
sc68calI forget, do you have code in review for it>01:05
sc68calor just the spec01:05
sc68calalso let,s take this to #openstack-neutron01:05
hoangcxsc68cal: just a moment01:05
hoangcxsc68cal: Yes.01:06
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hoangcxsc68cal: i'm pingging you at #openstack-neutron channel01:09
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mlavallehi, who's here for the l3 team meeting?15:01
john-davidgeHi o/15:01
regXboimlavalle: hi15:01
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yamamotohi15:01
tidwellrhi15:01
vikram_choudharyhi15:01
haleybhi15:01
mlavallelet's give carl a couple of minuts. if he doesn't show up, i'll start the meeting15:01
pc_m_hi15:02
regXboimlavalle: ack15:02
pavel_bondarhi15:03
* amuller is lurking15:03
mlavallemhhhh amuller the lurker :-)15:03
mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 20 15:04:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:04
regXboi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam Agenda in the usual place15:04
mlavalle#topic announcements15:04
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mlavallethe agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda15:05
mlavalleso, Liberty 3 is August 31st. Almost over15:05
* regXboi would like to see a couple more bug patches land before then ... more on that later15:05
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mlavalleif you have patchsets that ned to be approved, the sooner the better15:05
mlavalleI am myself in that situation15:05
Medberry2On board a plane won't be able to help today15:06
mlavalleMedberry2: np, have a nice flight15:06
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mlavalleany other annoucements?15:06
regXboiFolks should look at the operator midcycle etherpads for comments about L3 and networking in general15:06
regXboi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup root etherpad link15:07
mlavallegreat point regXboi !15:07
regXboimlavalle: it was .... ****very**** interesting15:07
mlavalleI know..... we have a lot to contribute to that group15:08
tidwellr+1, very enlightening15:08
regXboi... and a fair amount to learn ....15:08
mlavalleI really encourag people to peruse the etherpads15:08
amullerthere's a mailing list thread about that15:08
* john-davidge is perusing15:08
regXboiamuller: link?15:08
* regXboi mutters "I know I contributed to it, but don't have the link handy... ugh..."15:09
amuller[openstack-dev] [Neutron] Etherpad from the Ops Meetup15:09
tidwellrhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup15:09
regXboi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072462.html start of email thread15:10
regXboifound it15:10
mlavallethanks for the links guys!15:10
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mlavalleok, moving on.......15:11
regXboiI encourage folks to look at all of the etherpads, because networking came up in muliple places15:11
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:11
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mlavalleregXboi: I think you've been hard working with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/140474315:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats)15:11
regXboiyes, I owe an update to that today15:12
regXboiso be on the lookout15:12
mlavallehow close are we to resolution?15:12
regXboiIf this query goes 0, very15:12
* regXboi checking now15:12
regXboiin the meantime, let's move on :)15:13
regXboiok, I've got 1 hit in logstash in the last 7 days on one of the two queries15:13
regXboiI think we can mark it closed15:13
regXboier ... hold on... browser being difficult15:14
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regXboiadded comment to bug, but I don't have perms to close it15:15
regXboiwill leave that for somebody that does15:15
regXboinext?15:15
mlavallesince you have floor, let's do DVR.....15:15
mlavalleregXboi: ^^^^15:15
regXboithere are three high bugs that I want to cover - all needing review of patch sets15:15
regXboihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/148662715:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1486627 in neutron "DVR doesn't always schedule SNAT routers" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:16
regXboithe patch set is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215055/15:16
regXboithe second bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/136972115:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1369721 in neutron "manually moving dvr-snat router fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:16
regXboipatch set is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122024/15:16
regXboi^^^^^ has 2 +2s already, just needs a W+115:16
regXboithe last bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/140591015:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1405910 in neutron "distributed router can not add routes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:16
regXboiit's patch set is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144205/15:16
regXboiall the other High items are in Fix committed state :)15:17
regXboimlavalle: that's my update and ask of folks15:17
mlavalleregXboi: thanks for the update15:17
mlavalleI have been working with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/146117215:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:17
mlavalleI am finding difiicult to replicate it in my system...... So I will have to dig deeper in lostash. I'll updsate as I learn more15:18
haleybregXboi: swami also sent out a revert for a recent DVR change which broke things, but i think oleg knows of it now15:18
regXboihaleyb: ack - that is in process15:19
regXboihaleyb: it's not clear that the revert doesn't break things in its own right15:19
regXboi:(15:19
mlavalleany other bugs that we might be missing?15:20
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mlavalleok, moving on......15:20
regXboimlavalle: I'm planning a re-prioritization after L3 for the next milestone15:20
regXboi(as an FYI)15:20
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mlavallethat's cool, thanks for doing it15:21
mlavalle#topic Routed network segments15:21
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mlavalleso carl_baldwin is not here.....15:21
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mlavalledoes anyone have anything to report on this topic?15:21
haleybhe's at linuxcon15:21
regXboithis was discussed at the PAO LDT breakout Tuesday - mestery and carl_baldwin were telecommed in15:22
regXboi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-large-deployments etherpad15:22
mlavalleregXboi: thanks for the info15:23
regXboithe tl;dr; of that etherpad is to create a new L3 first class citizen in the model, to land in Mitaka15:23
regXboithat's fairly consistent with where the ML threads appear to be coming out (at least based on my reading)15:23
mlavalle#topic BGP dynamic routing15:24
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mlavalletidwellr: don't please, we know you are working hard15:24
tidwellrBGP this is in serious danger of not making it into liberty15:24
tidwellrat this point, I don't have the confidence we can test it thoroughly enough15:25
mlavallewould an exception to FF help?15:25
tidwellrperhaps15:25
tidwellrthat gives us an extra 2 weeks?15:26
mlavalleI'm not familiar with the process, so I'll let other comment on it15:26
tidwellreven then, I want to be up front that this is on shaky ground for Liberty15:26
vikram_choudharywe need extra time15:26
mlavalletidwellr: yeah, that is why I was asking.... if even with FF exception we don't feel we can make it, then I don't think we should initiate it15:27
vikram_choudharytidwellr: why we can't make it ?15:27
tidwellrmlavalle: agreed, I want the FFE since I'm not ready to throw in the towel15:27
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tidwellrvikram_choudhary: address scope awareness and testing with and without DVR are huge hurdles15:28
mlavalletidwellr: I would advice to send and email to carl_baldwin and mestery, so they are aware15:28
tidwellrmlavalle: will do15:28
mlavalletidwellr: they seem to be very busy at Linuxcon15:28
yamamotois there any bgp patch ready for review?15:28
tidwellryes, Carl is traveling today15:28
vikram_choudharytidwellr: can't we finish rest?15:28
mlavalleso the sooner they are aware, the better15:28
tidwellryamamoto: we have a review chain that starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/15:29
mlavallealso bring it up in the neutron meeting early next week, Tuesday15:29
tidwellrcarl_baldwin is aware, but we need to loop in mestery15:29
mlavalle:-)15:29
mlavalleany other specific help worth asking in this meeting?15:30
vikram_choudharymlavalle: reviews will be helpful15:30
mlavallevikram_choudhary: url's please, so we make it easier for folks....15:31
tidwellrreviews, api tests, devstack integration15:31
tidwellrhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/15:31
yamamototidwellr: i asked ryu team to take a look at ryu-using patch at least.15:31
vikram_choudharyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/bgp-dynamic-routing,n,z15:31
mlavallevikram_choudhary: THANKS FOR THE TOPIC LINK, THAT IS MOST USEFUL15:31
tidwellrvikram_choudhary: thanks for digging that up15:31
mlavallesorry for the caps15:31
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vikram_choudhary:)15:32
mlavalleslippery finger15:32
regXboimoar yelling?15:32
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tidwellrI think worst-case this lands in Mitaka-115:32
mlavalletidwellr: you mentioned api tests and devstack integration. do you have patchsets for that to be reviewed or you need help from devstack and tempest folks?15:33
tidwellrhaven't started with devstack integration yet15:33
tidwellrI have API tests in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/, but they need to be expanded15:33
mlavallewould it help if we have someone from that team advicing / helping?15:34
tidwellrno, we just need to write the tests15:34
mlavalleI meant devstack15:34
tidwellroh15:34
tidwellrthat would be helpful15:34
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tidwellrwe can't run the API tests in the gate right now15:35
mlavalleI assume you don't have anythin in mind...... I can try to find someone, if you are too busy for that15:35
mlavalleanyboody I menat15:35
tidwellryeah, that would be helpful15:36
mlavalle#action mlavalle will find devstack help for the BGP effort15:36
mlavalleanything else on this topic15:36
tidwellrnot from me, vikram_choudhary?15:37
vikram_choudharynothing.. you mentioned all15:37
vikram_choudhary:)15:37
mlavallegreat work guys! this are the normal pains of open source development15:38
mlavalle#topic IPAM15:38
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pavel_bondarhi15:38
mlavallehi pavel_bondar15:38
pavel_bondarIPAM is merged, so I and John Belamaric are working on Infoblox driver15:39
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pavel_bondarI guess it is all updates for IPAM:)15:39
mlavalleyeah, I assumed so....15:39
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mlavalleanything the team should know?15:39
mlavalleor might help with?15:39
pavel_bondarI think no15:39
mlavalleok, moving on15:40
mlavalle#topic ML3 router plugin15:40
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mlavalleI don't think there is much to report here15:40
mlavalleI bring it up just in case....15:40
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mlavalleok, moving on......15:41
mlavalle#topic DNS15:41
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mlavalleon this topic, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952/ has had a lot of progress this past week15:41
mlavallesince yesterday, we are a little bogeed with a controversy on dns labels validation in the api15:42
mlavallebut I don't expect this to be a major hurddle to merge this in Liberty15:42
mlavalleas far as the external side https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/, it is not going to merge in Liberty15:43
mlavalleall the rework on the internal side slowed me down15:43
mlavalle\but we are making solid progres......15:43
mlavallethanks to pavel_bondar and john-belamaric for their comments15:43
mlavalleplease keep an eye on this. I appreciate your guidance15:44
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* pavel_bondar will review new version15:44
mlavalle#topic Address scopes15:44
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mlavalleany one to report on this topic?15:45
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mlavalleok moving on15:46
mlavalle#topic IPv615:46
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mlavalleamuller: the lurker.... anything on ipv6?15:46
amullernope!15:46
mlavalle^^^HenryG15:46
john-davidge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185977/ is in great shape and has some positive reviews. Just need some core attention and I’m confident we can get this merged for Liberty.15:47
mlavalle#topic Open discussion15:47
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mlavallejohn-davidge: any help you might need?15:48
john-davidgeI also have a patch for adding compatibility to the pluggable IPAM reference driver15:48
john-davidge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212688/15:48
john-davidgeWould be great to get some feedback from pavel_bondar and john-belamaric15:48
john-davidgemlavalle: Just some +1’ and 2’s :)15:49
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mlavallejohn-davidge: will give it a try :-)15:49
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pavel_bondarjohn-davidge: I'll take a look, but John is on vacation this week15:49
haleybjohn-davidge: i think the first one is down to nits, will take a look later15:50
mlavalleyeah, that slacker :-)15:50
john-davidgeThanks everyone15:50
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mlavalle#topic Open discussion15:50
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mlavalleI have a couple of quations....15:50
mlavallehave folks received their ATC passes for Tokyo? I fear I lost it in my email15:51
mlavallequeue15:51
regXboimlavalle: I think I saw mine15:51
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regXboiyes.... back on 8/1115:52
john-davidgemlavalle: Yes I got mine weeks ago15:52
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mlavalleregXboi: thanks... that is helpful15:52
mlavalleI forgot the other question15:52
mlavalleany other topics15:52
mlavalle?15:52
regXboithe PAO had an interesting ask for Mitaka15:53
regXboiDVR with LB15:53
regXboiwell not an ask, more a "if you want us to use this, make it work with LB" statement15:53
mlavallepretty eloquent....15:53
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regXboidougwig and I sat down at lunch on Wed and thought through a paper napkin design15:54
mlavallewill that be translate to a BP?15:54
regXboiwhich *might* let us simplify ovs/dvr and get rid of some of the nasty side-effects15:54
amullerregXboi: carl baldwin and I also had conversations about that15:54
regXboimlavalle, amuller: I need to talk to carl_baldwin and mestery first15:55
Swamiamuller: regXboi: there was separate email thread on this topic15:55
regXboiSwami: link?15:55
SwamiregXboi: I don't have it handy but I will forward the email thread to you15:55
regXboiSwami: ack15:55
* regXboi expects if it is an old thread, it will be time to wake it up again15:56
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mlavalleanything else today?15:56
regXboithat's all I had (other than general grousing about neutron logging needing a good rationalization)15:56
mlavalleok, we are retuing 3 full minutes to your day15:57
mlavallethanks you very much for attending and all the great work!15:57
mlavalle#endmeeting15:57
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mlavallebye15:58
regXboibye15:58
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docaedo#startmeeting app-catalog17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 20 17:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog'17:00
docaedo#topic rollcall17:00
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kfox1111o/17:00
docaedoo/17:01
kfox1111docaedo: looks like it might be a short meeting.... :)17:01
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kzaitsev_mbo/17:02
kfox1111kzaitsev_mb: hi.17:02
kzaitsev_mbdamn, I use irssi as a client17:02
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docaedoOh man, highly suggest weechat17:02
docaedohttp://localconspiracy.com/2015/08/regarding-irc.html17:02
kzaitsev_mband if I scroll up there's high chance, that I would not notice new messages %)17:02
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docaedobut we can discuss that elsewhere :)17:03
docaedo#topic Horizon plugin status update (kfox1111)17:03
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kfox1111The grid view just got merged.17:03
docaedolooks like great progress17:04
kfox1111The horizon patch is very close to getting merged. The blueprint got a bump recently to medium pri.17:04
docaedoanything kzaitsev_mb or I can do to help at this point? Seems like you have it well in hand17:04
kfox1111I've got a few bits to do to get ready for liberty release.17:05
kfox1111if kzaitsev_mb has time, murano support would be awesome.17:05
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kfox1111I don't think I'll have time to implement it before Liberty is released.17:05
kzaitsev_mbI'm trying to dedicate my fridays to app-catalog. I'll look into some bugs tomorrow, and into murano part too17:06
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docaedokzaitsev_mb: thanks for that :)17:06
kfox1111ok. cool. Thanks. :)17:06
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docaedoAnything else on this topic kfox1111 ?17:07
kfox1111I think we're ok to move on.17:08
docaedo#topic ask.openstack codebase for backend (docaedo)17:08
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docaedoI started looking at ask, and thinking about whether or not it would be a good jumping off point for app catalog17:09
docaedo#link https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel17:09
docaedoAlso talked a little to some of the folks on infra channel17:09
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docaedogot .. not great feedback, and also started to see more negatives than benefits to using ask (heavily modified) for app catalog17:09
kfox1111k.17:10
docaedoThen Stefano's message yesterday sent the point home17:10
docaedo#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2015-August/001257.html17:10
docaedobasically we would have a lot of work ahead of us to try to use that, and would be for little benefit.17:10
docaedoI'll start looking more closely at just using django as a smaller framework, and look at a few others as well. Basically need something python-based that lets users vote/rate/provide feedback17:11
docaedowas hoping not to start from scratch, but seems like that's the only way to go, because I don't see anything else that is close to what we need in an already existing thing17:11
kfox1111how about we punt and only work on star support for a while. maybe the ask situation will improve by then.17:12
docaedoYeah .. I think that's worth it - my action here is to start with a blueprint outlining what we will need, and the order to tackle things in. Basically though I think it's all going to be connected because to let people star things we'll still need some authentication, etc.17:13
docaedoand a DB behind it to tie the rating and user to an asset17:13
kfox1111yeah.17:13
docaedoso not saying it's all or nothing, but want to make sure we start down a path that will let us get where we want without having to rip anything else out along the way17:14
kfox1111elasticsearch may be a component of that too.17:14
docaedo(which will include API stuff)17:14
docaedoyes, I suspect elasticsearch will be in there17:14
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docaedoOnce I get an outline put together I'll do a google doc that we can comment on (should be faster and less painful than trying to do the usual spec process)17:15
kfox1111etherpad? :)17:15
docaedowill share on the channel, and link to from a blueprint, expect that in probably two weeks or less17:15
kfox1111k. sounds good.17:15
docaedoyeah I could do an etherpad too (that's the more openstacky way, true!)17:16
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docaedoAlright that's all I have on that front, moving on?17:16
kzaitsev_mbI remember the idea of glance-v3-backend support, although do not know if that fits the need for voting/feedback17:16
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kzaitsev_mbalthough those 2 might be completely unrelated17:18
docaedoyeah, I think glance v3 backend was at one point an interesting idea, but I don't think it solves much other than "lets use another openstack piece here"17:18
docaedobecause really, we just need objects with swift is good at storing17:18
docaedoand the rest is going to have to be bolted on top no matter what (i.e. glance won't help us with any of the rating, feedback, comments, etc)17:19
kfox1111yeah.17:20
docaedoAll that is to say I'm NOT shooting down using glance entirely, but at the same time, I don't really see overwhelming value17:20
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docaedo(and seriously, could give us lots of little problems to solve, and if they're all just for the sake of having a place to put binary objects...)17:21
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kfox1111I think glance comes in once they have artifact importing all working smoothly.17:22
kfox1111then most catalog entries are just glance artifact balls.17:23
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kfox1111it may simplify the web ui or cli a bit, but not the server side.17:23
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docaedotrue - and I think the heavy lifting is going to be on the server side anyway :)17:24
docaedook, moving on...17:25
docaedo#topic Open discussion17:25
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docaedoAnyone have anything you want to discuss while we're "officially" meeting?17:26
docaedoI'll give you cats another minute or two to collect your thoughts before we end :)17:27
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docaedoanything else before we end?17:28
kfox1111I'm good.17:28
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docaedoOK thanks you guys :) Talk to you on the channel!17:29
docaedo#endmeeting17:29
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ivar-la__ mageshgv Yi: hi18:01
YiHi Sumit18:01
ivar-la__Hi18:01
rkukurahi18:01
ivar-la__My name becomes shorter and shorter18:01
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SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: :-)18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 20 18:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Aug_20th_201518:02
SumitNaiksatamwe have release Kilo now!18:03
SumitNaiksatam*released18:03
SumitNaiksatamthanks to the team for the fantastic effort18:03
SumitNaiksatami think we accomplished quite a lot18:03
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: ++18:04
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SumitNaiksatamdetails of which will be posted in the release notes page:18:04
Yigreat18:04
SumitNaiksatam#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/ReleaseNotes/Kilo18:04
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SumitNaiksatamransari: hi18:04
ransarihi18:05
SumitNaiksatamransari: just discussing that we released kilo18:05
ransariGood milestone!!18:05
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SumitNaiksatamransari: thanks18:05
SumitNaiksatamtarballs have been posted in launchpad18:05
SumitNaiksatamas before, we will continue to fix bugs as and when find them, and backport them18:06
ransariok18:06
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SumitNaiksatamany thoughts, questions about the release (or concerns if you tested it)18:06
SumitNaiksatamok18:07
YiAny plan on distribution package? :-)18:07
SumitNaiksatamYi: okay, good segue18:07
SumitNaiksatam#topic Packaging update18:08
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rkukuraI plan to update the Fedora/RDO packages to the kilo and stable/juno releases, but am not sure when18:08
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay :-)18:08
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: another update on the packaging/distr front?18:09
rkukurano18:09
SumitNaiksatamsorry, i meant to say - any other18:10
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay thanks18:10
SumitNaiksatam#topic Integration testing18:10
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SumitNaiksatamI dont have much of an update on the integration tests18:10
SumitNaiksatamexcept that the rally job needs to be tweaked a little more18:11
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SumitNaiksatamcurrently it votes +1 even if we have less than 100% success on a test18:11
SumitNaiksatamideally all concurrent tests in this suite should return 100% succcess18:12
SumitNaiksatamhowever i have seen at times that they dont18:12
SumitNaiksatamso we need to decide what is acceptable and what is not, and where the issue it18:12
SumitNaiksatam*is18:12
SumitNaiksatamcurrently i am running 10 concurrent operations for every test18:12
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: +1, I think this is of vital importance18:12
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: how many servers/workers?18:13
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: yeah18:13
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: good question, i believe i am using the default18:13
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: so one server with 0 workers I think18:14
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SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: definitely one server18:14
ivar-la__that is important, one server with 0 workers is basically serial IIUC18:14
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: i agree if there is only one worker that it should be serial18:14
ivar-la__you either need more than 1 server or more than one worker18:14
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: yes, we cannot do more than one server in that gate environment18:15
ivar-la__the difference is that external locking (oslo_consurrancy) won't work across server, but it will across workers18:15
ivar-la__oslo_concurrency*18:15
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: seems legit18:15
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: right18:15
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SumitNaiksatamassuming its “0” workers (which is one thread), we are still seeing issues sometimes18:16
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SumitNaiksatamwe will need to investigate the result of those tests more carefully18:16
SumitNaiksatam#topic Bugs18:17
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ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: default number of API workers seem to be the number of CPUs18:17
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: as for Kilo/Liberty18:17
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: ah okay18:17
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ivar-la__zero in Juno18:18
SumitNaiksatamso we had some pending reviews sitting in the queue for a while now18:18
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SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: okay, need to check what that particular devstack is doing since i did not override the conf18:18
SumitNaiksatamthere are a few pending reviews in the review queue18:18
SumitNaiksatamand we should decide how we want to make progress18:19
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/166424 (Admin or Provider tenant owns service chain instances)18:19
SumitNaiksatamransari: i believe you mentioned that you prefer the default to be admin?18:20
ransariOne clarification I have w.r.t some of patches under review. Some introduce DB migration. If this is backported to Juno, on production deployments, will it requiore a re-install of rpm, or will rpm upgrade work?18:20
ransariMy mistake. prefer default to be provider18:20
SumitNaiksatamransari: ah good, so the current patch will work for you?18:20
ransariyes, I believe so.18:20
ivar-la__the provider is already the default18:21
ransarithe DB migration reference was this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170235/18:21
SumitNaiksatamransari: nice, not sure if magesh is around, but it will help to get him to review this and make progress18:21
ivar-la__I need to do two things there... First finish the rebase (was a pretty ugly one and it's unfinished)18:21
SumitNaiksatamransari: very good point to bring up18:21
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: yes sure18:21
rkukuraivar-la__: Any update on allowing the tenant to be specified by name?18:21
ivar-la__and the address rkukura comment about using admin name... Although it doesn't look very straight forward18:22
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks for bringing that up18:22
ivar-la__We need an extra user (probably neutron user on Keystone) that can ask keystone info about this particular tenant18:22
rkukuraIn my nova testing, I’ve been using the UUID of the “service” tenant.18:22
ransarisumit: we will review  https://review.openstack.org/166424 and confirm18:23
ivar-la__But by default, I'm not sure the Neutron service tenant can retrieve information about other tenants18:23
SumitNaiksatamransari: okay, thanks18:23
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ransariRH default I beleive does have  admin user added to services teannt18:24
rkukuraivar-la__: That’s the tenant I’ve been using to own the nova VMs, etc.. I didn’t mean to imply it could query keystone, but maybe it can.18:24
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: what user are you using?18:25
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: “service”18:26
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ivar-la__rkukura: so the Nova VMs aren't owned by the service_admin?18:26
ransari<rkukura> Does "service" user have admin role?18:26
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:26
ivar-la__rkukura: that makes sense... I think we don't have any way to authenticate against keystone with that18:26
ivar-la__rkukura: would it work if we user service_tenant_name and service_tenant_password?18:27
ivar-la__rkukura: s/user/used18:27
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rkukuraivar-la__: I think that would let us authenticate with keystone18:28
ivar-la__yes, so service_tenant could own the VMs and to "external calls"18:28
ivar-la__and still we should be able to get the UUID for internal ones18:28
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mageshgvivar-la__: did not quite understand the internal vs external calls, do you mean neutron vs other component calls ?18:29
ivar-la__mageshgv: yes... In Neutron we just need a context with the proper tenant_id, not a full fledged Keystone token18:30
ivar-la__mageshgv: at least for now18:30
mageshgvivar-la__: okay18:30
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: i just noticed you posted the following #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/148715618:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1487156 in Group Based Policy "Fetching instance metadata fails for Policy Target VMs" [Undecided,New]18:32
SumitNaiksatami believe this would be a high priority to fix18:32
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mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: yes, this is a high priority one now18:33
SumitNaiksatami think this would have crept in when we start applying the egress rules18:33
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: right18:33
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: i am wondering what else we need to open up18:34
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: I think we should take a look at the rules added by L3 agent/Firewall. I notice there this IP is opened up18:34
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: which IP?18:35
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: The metadata server IP. I meant the ports/IPs opened up by openstack fwaas18:36
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mageshgvshould give us an idea18:36
ransarimageshv: That is a good suggestion18:36
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: hmmm, i dont recall opening up anything by default in fwaas18:37
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SumitNaiksatammageshgv: since its applied at the perimeter18:37
SumitNaiksatamanyway, we can investigate18:37
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: okay, I will take a look once more18:38
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SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: so adding the metadata IP can be added to default SG?18:39
ivar-la__sure18:39
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: okay18:39
ivar-la__will be needed for outgoing traffic18:39
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: right18:40
SumitNaiksatam#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/148442518:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1484425 in Group Based Policy "GBP Allows the same PTG to be the provider and consumer of a Contract" [Undecided,Opinion]18:40
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: you have a patch for this as well18:40
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212676/18:41
SumitNaiksatamhowever this is currently working as designed18:41
SumitNaiksatami meant from an API perspective18:41
rkukuraI’ve wondered about the design on this18:42
rkukuraAre PRSes supposed to be needed for PTs in the same PTG to talk to each other?18:42
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: no18:42
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: yes, we do not restrict it at the api, but what does it mean when we say a group both provides and consumes the same contract18:42
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: yes18:42
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: a particular policy driver can choose to not support this18:43
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: I am trying to understand what would be the use case of such a scenario18:44
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: there are certain contracts like infrastructure services’ contracts18:45
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: which the providing PTG also needs, but might not necessarily be getting serviced by its own members18:46
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: was this creating an issue in the resource mapping driver?18:47
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: This seems to contradict your answer to my question above.18:47
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: This needs more thought since we do not have a selector which can choose from a list of providers18:48
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: PRS not needed to communicating with the same PTG18:48
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: that is correct, we had the scope notion but havent implemented it18:48
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam: yes, this was causing issues when we have a chain18:48
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: so i agree with you that this can result in ambiguity with our currnet implementation18:49
SumitNaiksatammageshgv: but i am suggesting that we do the validation and raise the error in the driver, as opposed to in the API itself18:49
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: So is the PRS needed only to insert a service chain between PTs in a PTG, or am I really confused?18:50
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: no no, by services’ I did not mean the L4-7 services and their chains18:51
ivar-la__providing/consuming at the same time is a peer relationship18:51
ivar-la__show do you establish the PRSs between two peer groups?18:51
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SumitNaiksatamwe have 8 mins, so perhaps this is a slightly longer discussion requiring more concrete examples18:52
SumitNaiksatami will send out an email on this18:52
mageshgvSumitNaiksatam, rkukura, ivar-la__: I think we should first clear this ambiguity in the model18:52
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam, mageshgv: I’d appreciate that18:53
SumitNaiksatam#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/146083118:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1460831 in Group Based Policy "API for group update is not clear" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat)18:53
ivar-la__mageshgv: what ambiguity?18:53
SumitNaiksatami was trying to address this in a backward compatible way18:53
ivar-la__mageshgv: I don't think that is ambiguous... I am a provider of a service, but at the same time I need to consume it from someone else18:54
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: correct18:55
SumitNaiksatamso in #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209409/ i was trying to allow both, the old format, and the new format18:55
mageshgvivar-la__: right, but we do not have a way of specifying from which provider we will be consuming18:55
SumitNaiksatamhowever i realized that this creates an issue with the dict that we return18:55
ivar-la__mageshgv: that's the point of having contracts, the "destination" is not specified there18:55
ivar-la__mageshgv: otherwise they would be firewalls18:56
SumitNaiksatamshould we return a dict with provided/consumed PRS in the new format or the old format18:56
SumitNaiksatamsince we can specify only one18:56
SumitNaiksatamhence i did not push for this patch to get into kilo18:56
SumitNaiksatamwould like to hear you suggestions on this (since we want to make this a non-disruptive transition in the API)18:56
SumitNaiksatamsimilar concerns might apply to other API changes that we might want to make18:57
SumitNaiksatamif guess if we introduce micro versioning then this is not a concern18:57
mageshgvivar-la__: for me, it looks really confusing when I say a particular group provides as well as consumes the same contract say X18:57
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: can you make an example of the new format?18:57
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: its posted in the review commit message18:58
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SumitNaiksatamok we have a couple of minutes18:58
SumitNaiksatamany other high priority reviews, that you want to request the attention of the rest of the team?18:59
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ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: what about UUID:scope, but with scope implicitly set to None or '' when not provided?18:59
ivar-la__so you can POST {'policy_rule_set': UUID1}18:59
ivar-la__and will become {'policy_rule_set': UUID1:''}19:00
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: thats an option, but in the future we might want to add “status” as well to that relationship19:00
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ivar-la__that ugly, but compatible I think19:00
ivar-la__SumitNaiksatam: oh right19:00
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: yes, i did think of what you say, that is definitely compatible19:00
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion19:00
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SumitNaiksatamransari: sorry we did not get time to address your upgrade point19:01
SumitNaiksatamlets go to #openstack-gbp for that19:01
SumitNaiksatamone suggestion - think a bunch of folks are going to be on vacation next week, so we wont meet next week19:01
SumitNaiksatamokay i think we are 2 mins over19:02
SumitNaiksatamthanks all for joining today19:02
ivar-la__mageshgv: let's say you have a ICMP PRS, and you want all your groups to be able to ping each other... who do you choose as the provider?19:02
SumitNaiksatambye!19:02
ivar-la__bye!19:02
mageshgvbye19:02
ransaribye19:02
SumitNaiksatamivar-la__: yes simple example19:02
rkukurabye19:02
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting19:02
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rkukuraivar-la__:  moving that to #openstack-gbp?19:03
SumitNaiksatamransari: ivar-la__ mageshgv rkukura: can you join for a few minutes in #openstack-gbp to discuss upgrades?19:03
rkukurasure19:03
mageshgvokay19:03
ransariok19:03
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rkukurabut I only have a couple minutes19:03
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megmHello!  Anyone here for the HA Guide meeting?20:02
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