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| Aish | hi | 16:01 |
| pc_m | hi ajmiller: madhu_ak: yamamoto_ doug-fish: Aish: | 16:01 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 16:01 |
| pc_m | Let's start... | 16:02 |
| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 25 16:02:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 16:02 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| pc_m | The VPN devstack plugin is done, minor snag on upstreaming (a neutron change broke VPN and so I had to rebase/resubmit). | 16:03 |
| pc_m | I split the model from the database logic, so that we can support new models being developed. | 16:03 |
| pc_m | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216248/ | 16:04 |
| pc_m | I've been working on endpoint groups implementation. Have 2/3 of it done, but there is a snag with how to handle backwards compatibility so discussing with salv-orlando | 16:05 |
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| pc_m | Using the VPN devstack plugin for neutronclient also has a snag, and need to determine how to handle jobs. | 16:05 |
| pc_m | Sent email to ML and need to discuss with mestery and dougwig | 16:06 |
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| pc_m | There are several people tackling some things right now... MTU support, Rally scenario tests, and VPN API migration. | 16:06 |
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| pc_m | Please help out with reviews on all pending items so we can get them into L-3 (or as soon as possible). | 16:07 |
| pc_m | Any other announcements? | 16:07 |
| ajmiller | pc_m: one quick one | 16:07 |
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| pc_m | shoot... | 16:07 |
| ajmiller | We did an security review of VPNaaS, found a couple of minor issues, one we sort of discussed last week. The other I submitted a bug report about last night, and the security team decided it is OK to fix in public, it isn't horribly serious | 16:09 |
| ajmiller | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1488320 | 16:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488320 in neutron "neutron-vpnaas uses bad file permissions on PSK file" [Undecided,New] | 16:09 |
| ajmiller | I have patches to neutron and neutron-vpnaas for this. The PSK file is world-readable inside the network node. | 16:09 |
| pc_m | ouch | 16:09 |
| ajmiller | yeah | 16:09 |
| pc_m | The root ownership is OK? | 16:10 |
| pc_m | for processes? | 16:10 |
| ajmiller | yes, that is OK. The ipsec pluto processes are only listening on internal control plane networks unti a VPN connection is established. | 16:10 |
| ajmiller | At that point it is listening to the SNAT, but that is standard openswan behavior, nothing specific to VPNaaS | 16:11 |
| pc_m | great | 16:11 |
| ajmiller | StronSwan is the wave of the future. And users have the option of using external, hardware-based VPNs | 16:11 |
| pc_m | Thanks for digging into this. | 16:11 |
| pc_m | Yeah, the goal is to have StrongSwan as the default ref. impl. | 16:12 |
| pc_m | With MTU some issues were found. Openswan supports per connection (as do other drivers). Strongswan supports per service. | 16:13 |
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| pc_m | Which would imply a conflicting API change needed to support. I suggested as a short term solution, to just enforce (via validation) that all connections on a service use the same MTU for SSwan driver. | 16:14 |
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| madhu_ak | I would like to have infra folks from neutron to review infra patch #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211767/ to move forward with VPN API migration | 16:15 |
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| pc_m | madhu_ak: You'll want to talk to dougwig about his -1. He's the I/F with infra, so we should get his buy in first. | 16:18 |
| pc_m | Any other announcements? | 16:18 |
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| madhu_ak | sure | 16:18 |
| pc_m | #topic Endpoint Groups | 16:19 |
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| pc_m | Just to bring people up to speed. This involves a change to the existing API. The initial thought was that we could try to do this with existing v2 API and not have a backward incompatible change, as few were using the APIs. | 16:20 |
| pc_m | However, there are two operators who are using the API in production and they'd like backward compatibility. I'm in discussions to see how to best handle that. | 16:20 |
| pc_m | I'll update the patchset, once that is resolved. | 16:21 |
| pc_m | Beyond that, I need to do update API, and validation and the endpoint groups part is done and ready for review. | 16:21 |
| pc_m | Would love to see people look over the code (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212692/), and also to look at the dev ref doc (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944) | 16:22 |
| pc_m | Anything that we can iron out early will save time overall. | 16:23 |
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| pc_m | Plan is to then apply changes to do multiple local subnets (which operators want). | 16:23 |
| pc_m | #topic VPN Functional Tests for Neutron commits | 16:23 |
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| pc_m | No activity on this. Need to figure out why neutron patchset is not being used in the test run. Haven't had any time to pursue. | 16:24 |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs and Reviews | 16:24 |
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| pc_m | Please look at the bugs http://bit.ly/1PwD6bi and help out if you can. | 16:25 |
| pc_m | Reviews are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z and could use reviewers so that we have a better chance of getting cores to approve. | 16:25 |
| pc_m | Anyone have specific bugs to discuss? | 16:25 |
| pc_m | #topic Open Discussion | 16:27 |
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| pc_m | Anyone have anything to discuss related to VPNaaS? | 16:27 |
| ajmiller | I don't have anything more, and have another meeting now. | 16:27 |
| pc_m | Please do help out with reviews, so that we can get commits through. | 16:28 |
| ajmiller | Will do | 16:28 |
| pc_m | OK. Will give back 30 mins to everyone. Thanks for joining! | 16:28 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 16:28:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-08-25-16.02.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-08-25-16.02.txt | 16:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-08-25-16.02.log.html | 16:28 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 25 19:01:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | sorry for the delay, was looking at that compute guide | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for the SDK meeting, say hi | 19:01 |
| etoews | it's a page turner | 19:02 |
| etoews | o/ | 19:02 |
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| etoews | terrylhowe: you available? | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | etoews: may as well get into it, i'm sure he'll be here in a few minutes | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | #topic Image Import | 19:04 |
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| briancurtin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199318/ | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | etoews: i have some thoughts on the combination idea, but anything on your end to kick it off with? | 19:04 |
| etoews | not beyond what i commented in the review | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | so if we get them right independently, is there ever a case when you would only use one of them to complete an operation? or would you always be using both methods? (i'm not all that familiar with how this is used) | 19:07 |
| * briancurtin is thinking slightly ahead to the single-method version | 19:07 | |
| etoews | that's where my thoughts went too | 19:07 |
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| etoews | i can't think of a good use case for doing them separately | 19:07 |
| etoews | in fact, it seems to be really confusing to do them separately | 19:08 |
| stevelle | this point is actually a source of debate inside glance | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | yeah. I'd just want to make sure there's no case where the current day create_image is useful on its own | 19:08 |
| etoews | i suspect the reason they're separate api calls is to allow the create to pass a json body | 19:08 |
| stevelle | import is async | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:08 |
| stevelle | through a task iirc | 19:08 |
| stevelle | this doesn't look like the task bit though | 19:09 |
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| etoews | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html#storeImageFile-v2 | 19:10 |
| stevelle | import is a word with special meaning in glance v2, sorry I confused things. | 19:11 |
| etoews | hmmmm...if import is async it sure would be nice if it returned a 202 >:| | 19:11 |
| stevelle | that is in the tasks api of glance v2 | 19:11 |
| stevelle | this is just the separable metadata vs payload part | 19:11 |
| stevelle | ignore what I said about async :) | 19:12 |
| etoews | okay | 19:12 |
| etoews | :) | 19:12 |
| etoews | stevelle: do you think it makes sense to have create and upload as one call in the sdk? | 19:13 |
| etoews | would a user ever do one and not the other? | 19:13 |
| stevelle | I think at the proxy level a single operation makes sense | 19:13 |
| stevelle | in the resource layer I would think separate operations would be valuable | 19:14 |
| briancurtin | stevelle: and at the proxy level it should be called...? upload_image was tossed around and seemed reasonable | 19:14 |
| stevelle | seems reasonable | 19:14 |
| etoews | i think i would prefer create_image | 19:14 |
| etoews | mostly because create_object in object_store | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | create_ is also fine with me, as it matches that, but o_s could also move to upload_ | 19:15 |
| etoews | although i would actually prefer upload_object in object_store | 19:15 |
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| etoews | and then i'd like to see download_object in object_store too, for parity | 19:15 |
| stevelle | upload matches the swift cli also, can't recall what osc uses | 19:15 |
| etoews | instead of save_object | 19:16 |
| stevelle | but I don't have a strong opinion on this | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | upload/download pair +=1 | 19:16 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: opinion on ^? | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | osc uses create/save which is not great | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | upload/download sounds good to me | 19:18 |
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| etoews | okay. i'll condense to upload_image as one function in the proxy. they're already separate functions at the resource level. | 19:19 |
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| briancurtin | i created https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1488631 to track upload/download changes | 19:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488631 in OpenStack SDK "Converge on upload/download names instead of create/save/etc" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:20 |
| etoews | as in, for calls with file payloads. | 19:21 |
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| briancurtin | just added that to the description | 19:22 |
| etoews | thx | 19:22 |
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| briancurtin | #topic The Compute User Guide | 19:23 |
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| terrylhowe | I haven’t made time to look at it all yet. Looks epic. | 19:24 |
| etoews | so this is my first crack at a style for the user guides | 19:24 |
| etoews | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/23/215823/2/check/gate-python-openstacksdk-docs/8d5d180//doc/build/html/users/guides/connect.html | 19:24 |
| briancurtin | i just started getting into it right before the meeting. overall looks pretty good, have a few comments in draft. one immediate suggestion is to strike the env var section out of Connection -- we don't directly support it, and shouldn't go on to explain how to do things we don't directly support. if people like env vars, they can figure it out | 19:24 |
| etoews | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/23/215823/2/check/gate-python-openstacksdk-docs/8d5d180//doc/build/html/users/guides/compute.html | 19:24 |
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| etoews | terrylhowe: are env vars supported by occ? | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | yes, but I haven’t tried them. there is some default cloud name for the env | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | it is disabled in osc to make things a bit confusing | 19:26 |
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| briancurtin | etoews: ah, well if it's supported by OCC they can look at OCC. i'd prefer we don't go into every nook and cranny of configuration that our dependencies support. explaining Connection's actual arguments as well as how to use from_config should do the trick | 19:27 |
| etoews | configuring apps with env vars is becoming pretty common place due to the 12 factor app | 19:27 |
| etoews | briancurtin: i agree in part. | 19:28 |
| etoews | my aim was to make it really clear how to configure the sdk the various ways that suits the user best. | 19:29 |
| etoews | it's easy to go overboard though | 19:29 |
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| etoews | my intention was to doc the minimal amount of occ config to get the sdk working and then punt to occ docs. | 19:29 |
| briancurtin | maybe we just load it up for right now and pare it down? easier to do that than offer too little and have people do the wrong thing | 19:29 |
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| etoews | i'll kick it around a bit. i'm concerned that the connect page would become overwhelming. | 19:31 |
| etoews | i think i'll add a disclaimer along the lines of "if this is your first rodeo, just use the Connection object. after that try one of the from_config styles below" | 19:32 |
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| briancurtin | etoews: what about having a sub-page of alternative or advanced methods? /connect just lists Connection and then how to from_config with a file, and then /connect/advanced can drill down into env vars, brain mapping, whatever | 19:33 |
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| etoews | i can see doing that. even from_config with a file is pretty involved because you have to explain the minimal config for a file. | 19:34 |
| etoews | maybe connect_from_config.rst or connect_advanced.rst | 19:35 |
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| briancurtin | etoews: i guess leave it for right now and we can break it up as the sections are fully filled out to see how it should work | 19:35 |
| etoews | the more i think about the more i prefer to break it up. i'd prefer it if the user can learn how to connect without having to even scroll. | 19:36 |
| briancurtin | good point | 19:37 |
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| terrylhowe | we should just test that env+occ is working that we default OS_CLOUD to the env if it is not set. I haven’t tried that. I’d think it would be easiest for most people to get rolling with env since horizon will give you that as the config | 19:39 |
| etoews | personally i think telling users to explicitly set their creds in a Connection is the easiest possible thing (not necessarily the best thing). if only because it's all right there in the app. | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | okay, sounds fine with me | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | created a ticket anyway https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1488643 because I can’t remember all these things to do | 19:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488643 in OpenStack SDK "Make sure that from_config works with env vars" [Undecided,New] | 19:42 |
| etoews | terrylhowe: where do you download that config file in horizon these days? | 19:43 |
| etoews | i go the User Settings page and it's not there anymore. | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | hmm, not sure I don’t remember my ip for my devstack instance either | 19:43 |
| etoews | okay. well we should move on anyway. | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | one quick thing before the next topic probably takes us to the end | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | #topic Everett Toews and Qiming Teng for +2 review status | 19:45 |
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| etoews | i didn't see that on the agenda :) | 19:45 |
| briancurtin | both Everett and Qiming are up over 40 reviews in the Liberty cycle and are generally active around the whole code base | 19:46 |
| terrylhowe | +2 on that | 19:46 |
| etoews | thx! | 19:46 |
| briancurtin | i'll add them and email Qiming about it | 19:46 |
| briancurtin | #topic path_args direction | 19:46 |
| stevelle | congrats | 19:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "path_args direction (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:47 | |
| etoews | briancurtin: i'd advise taking the vote to the mailing list | 19:47 |
| etoews | it gives the project a bit more visibility, a sign of maturity, yada yada yada | 19:47 |
| briancurtin | etoews: ehh, there was some fuss about email vote on +2 access a while ago that let people take care of it as they see fit, or something like that. plus it would just a be a bunch of people saying +1 | 19:48 |
| briancurtin | we can increase visibility in other ways, which should certainly be done, though | 19:48 |
| etoews | ah. i missed that fuss. there are so many fusses it's hard to keep track. | 19:48 |
| etoews | okay. i'm fine with it. | 19:49 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i knocked out a bunch of dependent reviews leading up to a lot of what you've been up to lately | 19:49 |
| briancurtin | the foreign key thing still doesn't make sense to me (but i see it's workflow-1 now), but the path-args in a method maybe makes sense | 19:50 |
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| terrylhowe | I cleaned things up a lot and pulled out all the little bugs into other patches that are merged | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | I was thinking about creating a new property like resource.prop that is for url props so they stay ouf of the message body | 19:51 |
| briancurtin | etoews: quick jump back - i found the RC, it's in https://devstack/project/access_and_security/ | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | there is only one case where a url prop is in the body in telemetry | 19:52 |
| etoews | ha! i just found it too. http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/cli_openrc.html#openrc-dashboard | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | it’d be nice of horizon would generate a clouds.yaml | 19:53 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: yeah, and i think overall we need to get a little smarter with what we're sending whether it's in headers, body, or URLs. we have that thing you just noticed with object_store and headers, we were previously sending unrecognized query params in URLs, and telemetry body values. that stuff will add up to more data being sent over the wire, even if | 19:54 |
| briancurtin | it doesn't actually break anything | 19:54 |
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| etoews | and with nova 2.1 on the way, validation of requests is going to be a lot stricter so sending superfluous stuff might get you a 400 when it didn't before. | 19:55 |
| stevelle | liking the sound of these url props to make things clearer | 19:55 |
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| stevelle | I just don't have time to experiment with it | 19:56 |
| terrylhowe | the advantage is they will automatically do the string->resource thing like resource.prop does | 19:56 |
| terrylhowe | the one telemetry property we can leave as a resource.prop | 19:57 |
| briancurtin | yeah, breaking some of that stuff up and being smarter about what goes where will be really good | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | the final thing I’d like to try with all this is to replace this: https://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/object_store/v1/_proxy.py#L131 | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | so the path args automatically get set in the resource when you get one | 19:59 |
| terrylhowe | and we are out of time | 19:59 |
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| briancurtin | that would be nice. i don't like that either, but that's one of those backwards places i couldn't originally work around (which was why object_store's whole API was backwards the first time around) | 20:00 |
| terrylhowe | it is currently broken probably for a lot of other resources I’d think | 20:00 |
| etoews | time | 20:00 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 25 20:00:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| briancurtin | thanks all | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-08-25-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| terrylhowe | ^not be best prose | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-08-25-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| terrylhowe | thanks | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-08-25-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| etoews | thanks! | 20:00 |
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