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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 12:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 12:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 12:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | anyone around ? | 12:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:02 |
| tsufiev | o? | 12:02 |
| mrunge | o/ | 12:02 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: is that head scratching? | 12:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | looks like :) | 12:02 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, finger accidentally hit Shift :) | 12:03 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | so there isn't a set agenda for today, and the carry over angular items should probably wait for a 2000 UTC instance of this meeting | 12:04 |
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| david-lyle | are there any more FFE we should discuss first? | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | there were a couple asked about | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | I think there was a couple on the mailer... | 12:05 |
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| david-lyle | shelving/unshelving | 12:05 |
| * david-lyle needs to find BP | 12:05 | |
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| robcresswell | This one was requested | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/unified-job-interface-map-ui | 12:06 |
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| robcresswell | And also | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-shelving-command | 12:06 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-shelving-command | 12:06 |
| robcresswell | (Did I do that right?) | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | yes | 12:06 |
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| david-lyle | I actually thought there was a much older shelving patch set | 12:07 |
| * tsufiev notices that not everybody knows about Horizon blueprint template | 12:07 | |
| mrunge | tsufiev, that bp is from time before | 12:07 |
| robcresswell | There was this old patch, linked on the bp | 12:07 |
| mrunge | this is ANCIENT | 12:07 |
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| tsufiev | mrunge, I meant the Sahara bp | 12:07 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84646/ | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | yes exactly | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | probably because I autoabandoned the other | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | they proposed a new | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | So the shleving one has code with some reviews, and is only 236 lines | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | that one should be rather harmless | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | and low risk, IMO | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | Added myself to review. I'm happy with that being FFE | 12:11 |
| mrunge | hmm, that would be a user visible change in liberty then :) | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: Curvature is visible too :p | 12:12 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, hey! we have a second feature then! | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Just needs a couple more reviews, but nearly there. | 12:12 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, ffe granted for shelve/unshelve? | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | I think so | 12:13 |
| mrunge | ok | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | I added to RC-1 | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | if you'll remove the -2 | 12:13 |
| mrunge | done already | 12:13 |
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| david-lyle | ok the other was the job-interface-map-ui | 12:14 |
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| david-lyle | for sahara | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | which BTW has several usable visible changes already in Liberty, for those keeping score | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | ;) | 12:15 |
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| mrunge | really? I went through the list lately | 12:15 |
| mrunge | and it's mostly code shifting, adjusting style | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | It has quite a few reviews, ~500 lines so not huge, only touches sahara code. | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | I'm actually ok with this one too | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | it only needs 1 +2 | 12:17 |
| doug-fish | ... are we saying we think its mergable? | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | Looks like it | 12:17 |
| doug-fish | I'm just reviewing now (was preparation expected?) and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209683/10/openstack_dashboard/contrib/sahara/content/data_processing/jobs/templates/data_processing.jobs/job_interface_arguments_template.html seems a bit concerning | 12:17 |
| doug-fish | lots of script inside the html | 12:17 |
| doug-fish | in fact a large string holding html in the script in the html file | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Not necessarily that is is mergeable in current state, but that it could be merged within FF. | 12:18 |
| doug-fish | ah ok | 12:18 |
| doug-fish | I can see that then | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: the sahara code base has had fun things like that since the beginning | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | because it was developed in a vacuum | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | How strict are we expected to be on Contrib code styles? | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | I believe in M they will move it back out of tree | 12:19 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: I have not been super strict | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | I would normally immediately -1 for any inline styles or JS, but if thats part of their style and they are moving out anyway, I dont mind as much. | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | because there was already precedent allowing in | 12:20 |
| doug-fish | ok - I didn't realize we had that sort of thing in the sahara code already | 12:20 |
| tsufiev | doug-fish, there were all kinds of weird things in their JS code | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | not ideal, but to be fair, we (being the horizon team) aren't really maintaining it either | 12:21 |
| mrunge | I see a pattern with sahara code being rushed in at the end of the cycle | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | if they are happy with it and can maintain, I'm flexible | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: the pattern is more that we can't muster reviews for it until the end of the cycle | 12:22 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, yes | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | this particular patch is the youngest by far | 12:22 |
| mrunge | and since we felt guilty, we merged | 12:22 |
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| mrunge | ls | 12:23 |
| mrunge | darn | 12:23 |
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| david-lyle | going through the workflows/forms there are a ton of validation items that I think would help a lot, that aren't there too, but I know I haven't had time to try and go add them | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | not that particular bp | 12:24 |
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| david-lyle | anyway, strong feelings? | 12:25 |
| doug-fish | no - I'll settle down | 12:25 |
| robcresswell | No strong objections from me | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | IIUC, this is supporting a mainly UI feature that was added to Sahara in L | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | hence the desire to make it visible | 12:26 |
| mrunge | makes sense | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | I'll grant the FFE and review the patch | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | again FFEs are not guarantees, of anything other than reviews | 12:27 |
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| david-lyle | ok, I think that's the outstanding FFEs | 12:28 |
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| david-lyle | any other new bps to discuss or should we go back to hack and slash | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | ? | 12:30 |
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| robcresswell | Nothing from me, can continue culling old bps | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | the total list is 264 now | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | was 29* recently | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | so getting better | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | Slowly improving :) | 12:32 |
| mrunge | *+1* | 12:32 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, speaking of new bps, the one about glance image upload is in the agenda | 12:32 |
| robcresswell | I still have a list of old bps that could be abandoned too | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: you're right that one never got an official +1/-1 | 12:33 |
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| david-lyle | TravT who has the most familiarity with glance raised several concerns about the bp after the meeting | 12:36 |
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| david-lyle | originally I was leaning toward accepting, but now I'm a bit the other way | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | seems like the API version check has not been added yet | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | could be I'm missing it | 12:37 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, anyways, we're not in a hurry here, I was going to work on it during M cycle | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | I'll ask Travis to add his concerns to bp's whiteboard | 12:38 |
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| tsufiev | so I think we could skip it until we're certain about it | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, robcresswell, doug-fish? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | #info FFE granted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-shelving-command | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | #info FFE granted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/unified-job-interface-map-ui | 12:40 |
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| robcresswell | Trav left a comment last week saying that the concern is around a hard requirement on Glance v2 | 12:41 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: yes there is no check in the code for the presence of the v2 API | 12:41 |
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| robcresswell | He didn't leave any comments on the bp itself, though. It looks pretty well formed, but code needs more work I suppose to support both versions? | 12:42 |
| doug-fish | I'm having a hard time understanding the bp - are the import tasks a glance feature? | 12:42 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: a new one I believe | 12:43 |
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| doug-fish | does this bp assume horizon and glance are on the same node? | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | (trying to sort out how this is being managed) | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | no, it looks like a new API call has been added | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218773/3/openstack_dashboard/api/glance.py | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | which is v2 only | 12:44 |
| doug-fish | ah super - thanks! | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | I don't see a pressing need for this before Mitaka | 12:46 |
| mrunge | did any of us test it yet? | 12:46 |
| robcresswell | No, and it sounds like the implementation needs work | 12:46 |
| robcresswell | (but that is only based on Travs remark, havent dobne much research yet) | 12:47 |
| robcresswell | done* | 12:47 |
| doug-fish | wouldn't it make sense that this is an alternative to the legacy import, and would replace it when glance v2 is available? | 12:47 |
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| david-lyle | doug-fish: so I believe v2 is the current API and v1 is supported | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | although nova only supports v1 | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | I think we have time | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | I think this seems like a natural for M-1 | 12:49 |
| doug-fish | sure - that makes sense. I'll read up. | 12:50 |
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| david-lyle | #info FFE denied for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | ok rob a couple of easy ones to bring us home | 12:51 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/override-records-per-page | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | *robcresswell | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | I think we can cull that until someone is ready to tackle it | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | which hasn't happened in 2 years | 12:52 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 12:52 |
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| tsufiev | at least not until session_engine moves away from signed cookies | 12:52 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/more-criteria-filters | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/override-records-per-page marked obsolete | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | I think is superseded, but need to find a bp | 12:54 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/filtered-client-side-table ? | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | yes tsufiev, the application of that one | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | which is a large WIP | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | no need for two large WIP | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | around the same area | 12:56 |
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| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/more-criteria-filters marked superseded | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/storagedriverconfigurator | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | Probably do this last one quickly | 12:58 |
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| david-lyle | I remember this one | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure it really fits, but needs a more concrete proposal and an owner | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | even if it did | 13:00 |
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| doug-fish | yeah, this seems like it's a rough idea, not a blueprint | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | I'm think we should shelve that one | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | Yeah. The bp itself is not very helpful. If there is demand, it can just be rewritten | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | There isn't much concrete info in there, or patches that we would wwant to keep track of. | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/storagedriverconfigurator marked obsolete | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | and we're at time | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone. Next week's meeting should be more of the second part than the first :) | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 13:02:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-09-09-12.02.html | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-09-09-12.02.txt | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-09-09-12.02.log.html | 13:02 |
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| ajo | hi :) | 14:06 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 14:06 |
| vikram | hi | 14:06 |
| ajo | irenab ping | 14:06 |
| ajo | we don't have too much, may be 10 minutes, just looking forward | 14:06 |
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| ajo | hi moshele :) | 14:07 |
| moshele | hi | 14:07 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 14:07:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:07 |
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| ajo | Ok, this is an small meeting to look at a couple of topics going forward with QoS | 14:07 |
| ajo | #topic nova-neutron integration | 14:08 |
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| ajo | johnthetubaguy, are you around? | 14:08 |
| ajo | I want to loop in more nova people for the next meeting | 14:08 |
| ajo | I will send an email for next week | 14:08 |
| ajo | irenab, had proposed referencing qos policies from nova flavours | 14:08 |
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| ajo | but johnthetubaguy was expressing his concern on #neutron channel this morning, that may be that's not the best way to do it. | 14:09 |
| irenab | hi | 14:09 |
| ajo | He was talking about something called vif flavours, but I'm not aware of how that works, or where is it supposed to live | 14:09 |
| irenab | ajo: it was raised about 2 years ago when started with sr-iov support | 14:09 |
| ajo | it makes sense to me | 14:10 |
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| irenab | it can be better approach, but not sure how this can be done without changing nova | 14:10 |
| irenab | he had this concern on the irc today | 14:10 |
| ajo | ok, we just need to work together with the nova team to find the best way to do it | 14:10 |
| ajo | not sure if I understood from johnthetubaguy comments that vif plugging code was going to be passed to neutron too | 14:11 |
| irenab | maybe he meant for future once nova supports nic flavors any new flavor support will be transaprent | 14:11 |
| ajo | but still | 14:11 |
| ajo | I believe we should associate that to the flavors somehow | 14:11 |
| irenab | ajo: great, lets have discussion with nova guys | 14:11 |
| ajo | so CSPs are able to provide different levels of service for network from one point | 14:11 |
| ajo | ok, I will raise the question on the mail list. | 14:11 |
| ajo | and invite them to the next meeting, if it works for them | 14:12 |
| ajo | irenab, anything more on this topic? | 14:12 |
| irenab | not as far as I know | 14:12 |
| ajo | ok | 14:12 |
| Ramanjaneya | ajo: linuxbridge changes done for qos? | 14:12 |
| ajo | Ramanjaneya, no, as far as I undertood vikram/your team will look at it for M | 14:13 |
| irenab | I also wanted to ask about status of DCSP marking support | 14:13 |
| ajo | I believe it's healthy to get it done | 14:13 |
| Ramanjaneya | Ok | 14:13 |
| ajo | 1 sec, I was going to raise another nova topic | 14:13 |
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| ajo | #topic neutron-nova integration: QoS guarantees | 14:14 |
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| ajo | we need also some sort of nova awareness on our QoS policies | 14:14 |
| ajo | to make sure min-bandwidth hard rules won't result in overcommit on the compute nodes | 14:14 |
| ajo | or in the compute nodes network adapters (whem thinking of VFs over PFs) | 14:15 |
| ajo | whem->when | 14:15 |
| irenab | ajo: are you talking about networking aware scheduling? | 14:15 |
| ajo | yes, there are two pieces there | 14:15 |
| irenab | or get it from nova? | 14:15 |
| ajo | one is , general scheduling (from nova) to decide where to put an instance (which compute node) based on available BW | 14:16 |
| ajo | and another is lower lever scheduling, for SR-IOV, if you have several PFs (ports) on a card, not to put all VFs on the same one, regardless of the limits | 14:16 |
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| ajo | We need to agree on that part too, and how to do it | 14:17 |
| ajo | otherwise we cannot provide anything beyond "best effort" min bandwidth | 14:17 |
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| ajo | (in ovs at least) | 14:17 |
| ajo | irenab, any thought? | 14:18 |
| irenab | need to think about at… | 14:18 |
| ajo | or should we move on?, I just wanted to make the idea available in the meeting log at least :) | 14:18 |
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| irenab | ajo: I guess we need nova guys for this as well | 14:19 |
| ajo | #topic other rules, prioritizing | 14:19 |
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| ajo | yes, let's talk all together | 14:19 |
| ajo | irenab: you pointed out DSCP, | 14:19 |
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| ajo | that's been long awaited, I guess vhoward and his team are on top of it for M | 14:19 |
| * irenab having meeting conflict, will try to follow.. | 14:19 | |
| ajo | ack, thanks irenab | 14:19 |
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| irenab | ajo: thank you for update on dcsp | 14:20 |
| ajo | vikram: we could also thing of TC if the traffic classification API gets done early M | 14:20 |
| irenab | ajo: +1 | 14:20 |
| vikram | ajo: +1 | 14:20 |
| ajo | irenab: :) | 14:20 |
| ajo | thing -> think :) | 14:20 |
| ajo | I can also learn how to type.. | 14:20 |
| vikram | ajo: We need to get the spec approved first | 14:20 |
| ajo | vikram, it's quite there I think :) | 14:21 |
| ajo | lots of parts depending on it :) | 14:21 |
| ajo | also | 14:21 |
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| vikram | I also want it to be done | 14:21 |
| ajo | we will have to resolve how we allow rules in mixed environments (sr-iov + ovs, or +lb) | 14:21 |
| vikram | Let's freeze it ASAP | 14:21 |
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| ajo | because SR-IOV will only allow BW limiting AFAIK | 14:22 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: so what about UPGRADE? I don't think new rules are allowed in before it's done | 14:22 |
| ajo | so, may be we can discriminate setting rules by vnic type when attaching to a port | 14:22 |
| ajo | ihrachys: yes | 14:22 |
| ajo | I was about to get to that point | 14:22 |
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| ajo | UPGRADEs!, | 14:23 |
| vikram | ajo: I have few open question about the spec.. We can discuss offline | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | I will be the first one to minus vote until then. no discussion of new rules is fruitful before foundation is set | 14:23 |
| ajo | we will need to make the rpc callback mechanism capable of handling upgrades | 14:23 |
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| ajo | let's not block rule prioritization, I assume we're capable of upgrading with RPC in place :) | 14:23 |
| ajo | that's just a technical detail | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | what do you mean? | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | well ok but upgrade should be fixed before new rules in | 14:24 |
| ajo | that for sure :) | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | I don't care how we track it | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | ok, we are on the same page, I ranted | 14:24 |
| ajo | I mean, we can discuss which rules we want to prioritize, but of course, we can't introduce new ones until upgrading is in place. | 14:24 |
| ajo | :-) | 14:24 |
| ajo | ihrachys: I had an idea for that (doing it automatic) | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | I just want everyone to understand the limitation so that there are no questions why it's not in | 14:25 |
| ajo | we could leverage the agent status updates, to inform which versioned objects they exactly support | 14:25 |
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| ajo | so... no report of that: neutron-sever assumes it needs to send older versions... | 14:25 |
| ajo | (first version) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | ajo: for all types? or some of them? | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | what if agent hits server before reported new versions? | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | do we forbid such hit until report? how? (reports are casts, right?) | 14:26 |
| ajo | agent -> server comm always asks for specific verions | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | anyway, I don't think it's so easy. we need write-up and discussion. | 14:27 |
| ajo | versions | 14:27 |
| ajo | so that's safe | 14:27 |
| ajo | true | 14:27 |
| ajo | it's server->agent fanouts what needs to be duplicated per agent supported versions | 14:27 |
| ajo | yes | 14:28 |
| ajo | it needs discussion I guess | 14:28 |
| ajo | I'm sure it's not flawless | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | right. so how do we guarantee agent does not subscribe before report is successfully registered on server side? | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | it's rhetoric question | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 14:28 |
| ajo | yeah, that's one of the flaws I'm seeing ;) | 14:28 |
| ajo | may be we need to pin for 1 release, and then set something automatic to make sure agent reports (and blocks) until subscription | 14:29 |
| ajo | via an independent api call | 14:29 |
| ajo | we will see | 14:29 |
| ajo | ----- | 14:29 |
| ajo | ok, any other topics you'd like to raise? | 14:29 |
| ajo | 3, 2, 1 ... ;) | 14:30 |
| ajo | vikram, ihrachys , irenab , moshele, thanks! | 14:30 |
| vikram | ajo: wc | 14:31 |
| ajo | wc? :) | 14:31 |
| vikram | welcome | 14:31 |
| ajo | :D | 14:31 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 14:31:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-09-09-14.07.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-09-09-14.07.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-09-09-14.07.log.html | 14:31 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 15:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| fabiog | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | roll call | 15:00 |
| mroderus | o/ | 15:00 |
| jimbaker | o/ | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ajo: oops, totally missed your ping, anyways sounds like progress is being made, thats all good, happy to review a spec when it arrives | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hello all | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | so, no one posted any agenda items | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | we need to start getting better at that | 15:01 |
| bklei | oops | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | we can discuss an agenda now | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | what would folks like to talk about | 15:02 |
| fabiog | I can give an update on Ceilosca | 15:02 |
| fabiog | if people are interested | 15:02 |
| fabiog | :-) | 15:02 |
| mroderus | +1 | 15:02 |
| bklei | sounds good | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | ok, that sounds great, i'm interested | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | i've added to the etherpad at | 15:02 |
| bklei | i can give an update on TWC perf issues | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i've added those to the etherpad | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i've also added governance | 15:03 |
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| ajo | johnthetubaguy: we will need some talk nova/neutron before a spec :) | 15:04 |
| mroderus | I've got some question about Horizon on Angular. This has been discussed at the mid-cycle | 15:04 |
| ajo | to start on the good direction | 15:04 |
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| ajo | I could write a very high level one as I don't know the low levels of nova | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | what is nova/neytron before a spec | 15:04 |
| ajo | if that's enough... I could do | 15:04 |
| bklei | ajo -- is this topic for monasca weekly meeting? | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | ok mroderus, hofizon andulga sounds good too | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | this is the weekly monasca meeting | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | ok, let's cover Ceilosca first | 15:05 |
| fabiog | ajo: johnthetubaguy can you please move your conversation on #openstack-dev? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | #agenda Ceilosca | 15:05 |
| fabiog | ok | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | did i change topics correctly? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog take it away | 15:05 |
| fabiog | I think is #topic | 15:05 |
| fabiog | but nevermind | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Ceilosca | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | ther u go | 15:06 |
| fabiog | now is correct ;-) | 15:06 |
| ajo | sorry bklei , fabiog , *, I didn't realize I was on the meeting channel :/ | 15:06 |
| fabiog | yes | 15:06 |
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| fabiog | ajo: np | 15:06 |
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| fabiog | so we have been working on the installer part | 15:06 |
| fabiog | this is the location of the main repo | 15:06 |
| fabiog | #link https://github.com/stackforge/monasca-ceilometer | 15:06 |
| ddieterl_ | o/ | 15:06 |
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| fabiog | but if you go in the #link https://github.com/stackforge/monasca-ceilometer/tree/master/deployer | 15:07 |
| fabiog | deployer folder you can find a ceilosca.sh script that installs devstack enabling Ceilosca and performs a full installation of Monasca on a single VM | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:08 |
| fabiog | in this way you can run it in a VM on your local box or in an Instance in the cloud | 15:08 |
| bklei | nice | 15:08 |
| fabiog | it will take a while, but it is fully automated | 15:08 |
| fabiog | so I would encourage people on the team to give it a go and provide feedback | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | so, this is installing devstack and monasca and deilosca? | 15:08 |
| fabiog | yes | 15:09 |
| fabiog | at the end you get a Ceilometer functionality but the data is stored in Monasca | 15:09 |
| fabiog | in Influx DB | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 15:09 |
| mroderus | is the entire Telemetry API covered? | 15:09 |
| fabiog | I would say around 80% | 15:09 |
| fabiog | that was my next request | 15:09 |
| fabiog | if there are people interested in extend the API coverage please feel free to submit patches | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | so, the areas that are no covered | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | are? | 15:10 |
| fabiog | in this file #link https://github.com/stackforge/monasca-ceilometer/blob/master/ceilosca/ceilometer/storage/impl_monasca.py | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | meta data, and alarms | 15:10 |
| fabiog | there is the list of supported features | 15:10 |
| fabiog | to clarify, Ceilosca only addresses Meters and Samples as today | 15:11 |
| fabiog | so no Alarms or Events | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | is the meta data supported? | 15:11 |
| fabiog | We could port events to Monasca now that there is an Event API | 15:11 |
| fabiog | but that work has not been done yet | 15:11 |
| fabiog | yes | 15:11 |
| fabiog | you can perform queries on metadata | 15:11 |
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| fabiog | Pauline added support for that | 15:11 |
| fabiog | in Resources and Samples | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | how do you describe the difference between what ceilosca.sh and monasca-vagrant | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | does? | 15:12 |
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| fabiog | ceilosca.sh is a bash script that requires at least to have Ubuntu and git installed | 15:12 |
| fabiog | and then is a combination of shell commands and ansible | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:13 |
| fabiog | the vagrant will do a similar thing but creating the instance | 15:13 |
| fabiog | so if you have already a VM or Instance use Ceilosca.sh | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | i'm wondering how far we can leverage ceilosc.sh to integrate in with DevStack | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | some of the feedback from the TC geovernance review was that they would like to see Monasca in DevStack | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | do you think using ceilosca.sh would be a good start | 15:14 |
| fabiog | actually you should look at #link https://github.com/stackforge/monasca-ceilometer/blob/master/deployer/devstack/ceilometer | 15:14 |
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| fabiog | that is the modified Devstack Ceilometer file | 15:15 |
| fabiog | it will make all the changes to become Ceilosca during Devstack deployment | 15:15 |
| fabiog | so instead of installing vanilla Ceilometer and then converting it into Ceilosca | 15:15 |
| fabiog | it starts as Ceilosca | 15:15 |
| fabiog | :-) | 15:15 |
| fabiog | any questions from the team? | 15:16 |
| fabiog | or you guys are cloning the repo :-) ? | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i'll need to start digging in a little further into this | 15:16 |
| bklei | me too, will play with it in a week or two hopefully | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i haven't tried to install yet, but that will be one of the items next on my list | 15:17 |
| fabiog | great | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | do you have any more performance updates | 15:17 |
| fabiog | if any of you can do some performance comparison tests | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | on ceilosca? | 15:17 |
| fabiog | would be great | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | are you planning any | 15:17 |
| fabiog | I am going to work on that next, but more sources is perfect | 15:17 |
| fabiog | yes | 15:17 |
| fabiog | I want to do a Ceilosca vs. Ceilometer with MongoDB | 15:17 |
| fabiog | load tests and then use Rally for query performance test | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good, that seems to be the most important area | 15:18 |
| fabiog | we just started | 15:18 |
| fabiog | so any help is really appreciated | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | did you see gordon's commends related to ceilosca? | 15:18 |
| fabiog | I did | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, do we want to communicate more with ceilometer on this? | 15:19 |
| fabiog | what can I say ... There have been several attempts to work together with Ceilometer. In Vancouver I asked the same question again and the answer was that because Monasca has java it is not possible | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | yes, understand | 15:20 |
| fabiog | yes, we can | 15:20 |
| fabiog | there is a meeting tomorrow | 15:20 |
| fabiog | I can add that to the agenda | 15:20 |
| jimbaker | fabiog, so come back when there's no more required java dependency? | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | i wont' be able to attend in all day meetings | 15:20 |
| fabiog | jimbaker: that was the kind of answer | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | well, i think we're doing an incredible amount of work to make Ceilometer viable by addressing the performance and scale issues | 15:21 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: we can add that to the following week | 15:21 |
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| fabiog | I spoke about Ceilosca when Ildiko and Gordon joined the meeting via Webex | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | as well as consolidate systems, so we don't have multiple services/components to support | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | yes, they are claiming that we didn't tell them anything | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | but this has been an area that has been communicated for a while | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | the Ceilosca name is new | 15:22 |
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| fabiog | rhochmuth: is all in the name :-) | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | but that was just a name that we came up with that was pretty cool | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | yeah | 15:23 |
| jimbaker | just good shorthand name | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, more communication would be good | 15:23 |
| fabiog | jimbaker: maybe Monometer would have been less catchy and less problematic :-) | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | does the ceilometer project have any new performance numbers to share | 15:23 |
| jimbaker | :) | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | any deployments of significant size | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | for example, there is cern | 15:24 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: not that I am aware of | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | ok, that would be good information to have | 15:24 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: yes, I spoke with Cern, they basically have 2 Ceilometers | 15:24 |
| fabiog | 1 for alarms where they store data for less than 1 day | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | that is useless | 15:24 |
| fabiog | and one for real metering where they store bare minimum data for 30 days | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | well that is harsh, that doesnt' meet our needs | 15:25 |
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| fabiog | and they have the big advantage of not running any Swift that is the real Ceilometer killer | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | fabiog, what's the ingest rate for CERN? | 15:25 |
| fabiog | jimbaker: I don't have that number | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | fabiog, no worries - just want to multiply out one day's worth, etc | 15:26 |
| fabiog | but I know that they had to have a separate RabbitMQ because with the Ceilometer re-publishing where going over the 18Mil messages and killing the queue | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | well, i'm wondering if ceilometer shoudl be considering ceilosca more closely | 15:26 |
| jimbaker | 18 million/day? | 15:26 |
| fabiog | they where trying to do 60s with ceilometer compute agent | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | 18 M/day is not much | 15:27 |
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| fabiog | 18Mil concurrently on the queue | 15:27 |
| fabiog | basically the production rate was too big compared to what Ceilo could consume | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | ahh, got it | 15:27 |
| fabiog | and the queue would fill fast and die after 18Mil messages | 15:27 |
| fabiog | then is when they split the alarms from metering | 15:27 |
| fabiog | because they needed the 60s interval for alarming and I guess autoscaling | 15:28 |
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| fabiog | but they use a once a day for the metering stuff (or something like that) | 15:28 |
| fabiog | anyway .. enough of Ceilosca | 15:28 |
| fabiog | any last question? | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | yes, so let's go connect with them on this and also get latest performance and deployment information on Ceilometer | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | seems like that data shoudl be readily available | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | at this point in time | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | #topic performance | 15:29 |
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| bklei | that's me, yes? | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | that is u | 15:30 |
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| bklei | ok -- quick overview for the group, TWC has a blocker issue from rolling out MaaS for our internal groups | 15:30 |
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| bklei | vanilla use case -- display stock libvirt metrics via grafana | 15:30 |
| bklei | with less than 2 weeks worth of data, and a handful of instances in a project, takes up to a minute to render the page | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | you are about to say all the issues are solved, right? | 15:32 |
| fabiog | bklei: is this a Vertical problem only or you think the same issue will appear using InfluxDB? | 15:32 |
| bklei | we're using vertica currently, biggest time spend on a query to figure out which definition_dimension ids to use in the measurements table query | 15:32 |
| bklei | not sure fabio | 15:32 |
| bklei | probably vertica only | 15:32 |
| bklei | so impacts HP Helion, TWC for now | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | so, we've got a list of potential solutions | 15:32 |
| bklei | not solved yet rhochmuth -- but progress | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | i tried | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | should we post your notes in this meeting | 15:33 |
| bklei | yes -- and further background, rbak and I were onsite at HP on Friday, thx for the meeting roland/deklan | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | from last Friday's face to face meeting | 15:33 |
| bklei | sure -- one sec | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i also got feedback for the governance TC about the face to face | 15:33 |
| bklei | my notes | 15:33 |
| bklei | Next steps: | 15:33 |
| bklei | 1. Test changing grafana to pass merge flag to the statistics query | 15:33 |
| bklei | after the initial metrics: | 15:33 |
| bklei | 1.1 Ryan to change grafana to pass merge flat | 15:34 |
| bklei | 1.2 Brad to change the api to not do getdefids() with merge flag -- | 15:34 |
| bklei | might be harder than it seems, need thd defintion_dimension_id's | 15:34 |
| bklei | 2. TWC to Fix current projections (Brad). | 15:34 |
| bklei | 2.1 Change dimension projection to order by: | 15:34 |
| bklei | name, value, dimension_set_id | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | so, in the future we might not be able to have face to face meetings or use video conferencing | 15:34 |
| bklei | 2.2 Change measurement projection to order by: | 15:34 |
| bklei | definition_dimension_id, time_stamp, value_meta | 15:34 |
| bklei | 3. We're confused why the inner joins operate as poorly as they do | 15:34 |
| bklei | * Brad to open vertica support ticket and get feedback. | 15:34 |
| bklei | 4. Deklan to code up the idea of splitting the dimensions table into | 15:34 |
| bklei | two, | 15:34 |
| bklei | removing the multiple of inner joins. | 15:34 |
| bklei | * TWC to come up with migration sql | 15:34 |
| bklei | 5. Brad to experiment with adding constraints on each table to allow | 15:34 |
| bklei | pre-join projections (possible code ordering change). | 15:34 |
| bklei | (add PK=FK relationships) | 15:34 |
| bklei | 6. FUTURE: Change to grafana to only do incremental statistics queries | 15:34 |
| bklei | for the elapsed time and append graph. | 15:34 |
| bklei | 7. FUTURE: Add an API cache layer in front of (or part of API | 15:34 |
| bklei | to only query db once, and return from memory for subsequent | 15:34 |
| bklei | queries) | 15:34 |
| bklei | agreed | 15:34 |
| bklei | anyhoo, update on above list | 15:34 |
| bklei | #1 didn't pan out, still need to get ids for measurements lookup (bummer) | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | yes, please update | 15:34 |
| bklei | I'm working on #2, but no smoking gun there | 15:35 |
| ddieterl_ | #4 is not necessary given the latest query that we discussed | 15:35 |
| bklei | i opened vertica support ticket for #3 -- providing data over the past day | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | what about #5? | 15:35 |
| bklei | agree deklan | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | #5? | 15:36 |
| bklei | I'm working on #5 today, but using deklan's suggestion, can modestly improve stuff with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221492/ | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | ok. | 15:36 |
| bklei | see what you think of that new query without multiple inner joins | 15:36 |
| ddieterly | bklei: did you get the projections right? | 15:36 |
| bklei | and -- I'll experiment with constraints today | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | i didn't get a chance to review | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | sorry | 15:37 |
| bklei | i re-ran the offending query through the DBD -- it suggestion segmented projections which were much worse :) | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | ddieterly did you review | 15:37 |
| ddieterly | have not had time | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so no feedback on your review | 15:37 |
| ddieterly | i would expect blazing peformance on that new query | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | i have another idea to add to the list | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i woudl too | 15:38 |
| bklei | update from the vertica engineer, he thinks there may be a bug in my current vertica version, providing a full dump to him today | 15:38 |
| bklei | sure, go for it | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | projections have to solve this | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | hmmm, that is interesting | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, the other idea was to cache to metric_defintion_dimension_ids | 15:38 |
| bklei | agree that projections should solve rhochmuth -- i'm hopeful for pre-join projections | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if you have a query for some metric, that have a bunch of dimensions specified, you would cache that, as well as the exact ID, in memory | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | this would avoid the joins altogether | 15:39 |
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| bklei | yeah -- that's a good idea too, completely skip going to the db for stuff | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | what do you think? | 15:40 |
| bklei | and it shouldn't be a huge list | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | correct | 15:40 |
| bklei | can give that more thought, but likely won't get to it this week, and am out next | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | a simple map of ((region, tenant id, metric name, dimensions), id) would work | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, that one woudl take more time to code | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | it isn't hard, but it isn't trivial either | 15:41 |
| bklei | right, but lots of bang for that buck | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | i think you are on the right path though | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | with the projectsions and potential vertica problem | 15:41 |
| bklei | yes, will keep pushing on that | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | so, best to continue with that, and then we can clook at caching it that doesnt' pan out | 15:42 |
| bklei | bueno | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | but, i'll be amazed if this isn't a projection issue or Vertica session bug as you say | 15:42 |
| bklei | i think that's my update -- any other questions | 15:42 |
| bklei | ditto | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | no further questions your honor | 15:42 |
| bklei | dismissed :) | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | #topic governance | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | MOnasca was not approved yesterday | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | the main issues appear to be | 15:43 |
| bklei | :( | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | IRC meetings | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | DevStack | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | CI/CD | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | at least those are the tansibgle ones that I took away | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | ddieterly do you other insights | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | one of the issues appears to be the face to face that we had on Friday | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | and the fact that we conferenced in Fabio for this too | 15:45 |
| ddieterly | no, you can read the summary in the patch | 15:45 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: hey .. you have to stop blaming me for everything :-) | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, i'm trying to get further clarification on this | 15:46 |
| bklei | what's the issue with the f2f? everyone was invited to attend via webconf | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | that is what i thought | 15:46 |
| mroderus | was this f2f critizised by anyone? | 15:46 |
| fabiog | and I was the only one that was interested ... | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | no, everyone was invited that attended last weeks Monasca meeting in IRC | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | we were looking at Grafana, code, sql, … | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | does anyone know how to do that in IRC | 15:47 |
| bklei | if that wasn't clear, apologies to anyone who wanted to attend remotely and didn't get that message | 15:47 |
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| bklei | but we bored fabiog within minutes :) | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | so, anyway, looks like we'll need to get further clarification | 15:48 |
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| fabiog | yes, that's true :-0 | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | i thought it was just the weekly meetings that needs to be in IRC | 15:48 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I think we can have other meetings | 15:48 |
| fabiog | at least we did them in Ceilometer | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | That is what I thought too | 15:48 |
| fabiog | my suggestion is to send an email in openstack-dev | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | but that wasn't the feedback | 15:49 |
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| fabiog | and post the link in this meeting | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, i was thinking about that too | 15:49 |
| bklei | my take -- as long as we advertise one-off meetings and allow remote attendance, should be OK | 15:49 |
| fabiog | so there is a trace | 15:49 |
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| fabiog | yes | 15:49 |
| fabiog | bklei: I agree | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | so is anyone interested in adding MOnasca to DevStack? | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | that is tangible and somethign we can act on? | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | DevStack integration will be the first step for integration testign via Tempest tests | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | we have Tempest tests in a separate repo | 15:50 |
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| bklei | interested, but no BW | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | so getting those merged in with the Tempest repo would also be a good step | 15:50 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: so you will submit a patch of the existing one in the correct repo? | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, i dont' understand the question | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog | 15:51 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: you said that the tempest test for Monasca are available but in a separate repo | 15:51 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: does that mean simply to submit them all in the main tempest repo? | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | we forked in Github, just to get the development done | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | i believe you are correct | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | so, that should be the easy part | 15:52 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: right | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll try and get some resources on DevStack integration from HP | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | we are having overall planning meetings, so maybe there will be some availability | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | or, i can write some code... | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | new topic? | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | #topic horizon | 15:54 |
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| mroderus | I guess that's me | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | i think we're going to run out of time | 15:54 |
| mroderus | I remember that there were some discussions about Angular in Horizon and that our plugin may be affected | 15:54 |
| mroderus | I was just curious if there are any links on more information on that | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm not sure what the impact is | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | bklei do you know | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | can you check with Eric P. | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | if you don't know | 15:55 |
| mroderus | is the move to Angular (or the plans for it) documented somewhere? | 15:56 |
| mroderus | ok, thanks | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | this is a big topic in Horizon | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | so, it is discussed there | 15:56 |
| bklei | he tells me i don't want to know the answer to the question :) | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | ask him if our panel will continue to work | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | is the answer no? | 15:57 |
| bklei | he doesn't think it'll break us | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | cool | 15:57 |
| mroderus | ok, sounds good | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | we will need to test adn watch this | 15:57 |
| bklei | i guess we've got some angular stuff in our test env, and monasca-ui still works | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | bklei are you guys tracking this | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | as in using the latest horizon and involved with moves to angular? | 15:58 |
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| mroderus | ok, so if I have any specific questions, I will ask Eric P. | 15:58 |
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| bklei | i guess indirectly by pulling in the latest horizon, we are | 15:58 |
| bklei | yes mroderus | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, that is waht I meant | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | ok, time is almost up | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | please add agenda items for next week | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | we have one item that we didn't get too | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | Grafana | 15:59 |
| rbak | In the last minute I just wanted to ask if anyone if working on grafana 2.0, and if so ping me. | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | so, we'll need to cover next week | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | not me | 15:59 |
| bklei | is fujitsu? | 15:59 |
| mroderus | we not yet, but we're planning to | 15:59 |
| rbak | Alright, we're going to start looking at that in the next couple days at TWC | 16:00 |
| bklei | (thumbsup) | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | i think we are done | 16:00 |
| bklei | thx rhochmuth | 16:00 |
| jimbaker | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | by everyone | 16:00 |
| mroderus | thank you all | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 16:01:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-09-09-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-09-09-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-09-09-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 17:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| alaski | good <regional time of day> everyone | 17:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 17:00 |
| lalit_d | \o | 17:00 |
| bauzas | mornooning | 17:00 |
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| alaski | bauzas: :) | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic Tempest tests | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest tests (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| vineetmenon | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | there were a few issues with testing recently | 17:01 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | but afaik it came down to tempest test names changing | 17:02 |
| bauzas | yup | 17:02 |
| alaski | and therefore bypassing the blacklist that was setup | 17:02 |
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| bauzas | that's why I'm working on directly providing the Devstack changes :) | 17:02 |
| alaski | the tempest feature flags? | 17:03 |
| bauzas | yup | 17:03 |
| alaski | awesome | 17:04 |
| belmoreira | alaski: is this related with the failures in 213041 and 201606 | 17:04 |
| lalit_d | alaski: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213041 in this patch some tempest and grenade tests were failing | 17:04 |
| bauzas | it needs to modify a bit Tempest as well | 17:04 |
| alaski | belmoreira: lalit_d doesn't look like it. it was the gate-tempest-dsvm-cells job that was failing | 17:04 |
| alaski | bauzas: okay | 17:05 |
| bauzas | alaski: +1 | 17:05 |
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| alaski | that seems like an effort that we could have multiple people on | 17:05 |
| bauzas | lalit_d: the bug alaski was talking was https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1492255 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1492255 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cells gate job fails because of 2 network tests" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Sylvain Bauza (sylvain-bauza) | 17:05 |
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| bauzas | alaski: yeah, just trying to look first | 17:06 |
| belmoreira | alaski: we don't understand why those patches are failing... we may need some help | 17:06 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: are you sure it's coming from your side? | 17:07 |
| lalit_d | bauzas: ok | 17:07 |
| alaski | bauzas: okay. if you could use help let me know and I'll see if we can get people involved | 17:07 |
| alaski | belmoreira: okay. the ironic-pxe failure is unrelated | 17:07 |
| bauzas | alaski: for the moment, I'm reviewing the Tempest tests to see which features are having a flag | 17:07 |
| belmoreira | I believe not... that's why it is more difficult for us | 17:07 |
| alaski | not sure on the grenade one right now, but I can take a look | 17:07 |
| bauzas | alaski: I should write an etherpad so any people could see which tests would need which flags etc. | 17:08 |
| alaski | bauzas: +1 | 17:08 |
| bauzas | okay, paperwork time !: | 17:08 |
| bauzas | :p | 17:08 |
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| bauzas | alaski: sounds a low-hanging-fruit also | 17:08 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:09 |
| bauzas | alaski: I should ask the Upstream Training to see if some people would want to help us | 17:09 |
| alaski | that would be great. they're good simple changes | 17:09 |
| * bauzas has some thoughts on that | 17:09 | |
| alaski | I think we've got testing covered for now | 17:10 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:10 | |
| bauzas | I was actually running the Upstream Training for the last 2 cycles but this cycle I can't (Tokyo with family) but surely I can ask | 17:10 |
| alaski | there are some reviews still listed on the agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaCellsv2 | 17:10 |
| alaski | however we're in feature freeze | 17:10 |
| bauzas | alaski: one remaning point about testing, but can be discussed during opens | 17:11 |
| alaski | so reviews are still helpful, but the focus is going to be on bugs for a bit | 17:11 |
| alaski | bauzas: okay | 17:11 |
| bauzas | (open discussion) | 17:11 |
| belmoreira | alaski: ok | 17:11 |
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| bauzas | alaski: I guess all the changes are in the etherpad of doom ? | 17:11 |
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| bauzas | alaski: I mean https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking ? | 17:12 |
| alaski | bauzas: I believe so. I added them a bit ago | 17:12 |
| alaski | yeah, they're there | 17:12 |
| bauzas | belmoreira, lalit_d: see above, if you feel some change is missing | 17:12 |
| bauzas | coolness | 17:12 |
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| alaski | once RC1 is picked and there are no critical bugs coming up we can get back to pushing on these features again | 17:13 |
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| belmoreira | bauzas: is good | 17:13 |
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| alaski | but for now reviews will be slow on features | 17:13 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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| belmoreira | alaski: do we need to submit again the flavor spec for M? | 17:14 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: I guess thru a fast-approval, yes | 17:14 |
| alaski | belmoreira: yes. but it can be approved quickly | 17:14 |
| belmoreira | I would like to continue with the work during this period | 17:15 |
| belmoreira | is ok if we continue to update the patch? | 17:15 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: you still can, that's just for merging :) | 17:15 |
| alaski | belmoreira: okay. we can't merge it but you can keep working | 17:15 |
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| alaski | bauzas: you had a thing for open discussion? | 17:15 |
| bauzas | so I had one point | 17:15 |
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| bauzas | yeah | 17:16 |
| belmoreira | my question is: should we continue work in the same patch or because we need a new spec we also need to resubmit the patch? | 17:16 |
| alaski | belmoreira: same patch is good | 17:16 |
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| belmoreira | alaski: thanks | 17:16 |
| alaski | the -2 will go away after feature freeze | 17:16 |
| belmoreira | great | 17:16 |
| bauzas | so we have an exception raising on the cell-parent | 17:16 |
| bauzas | that's confusing for people troubleshooting cells | 17:16 |
| bauzas | I'm trying to tackle the issue in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218473/ and some other DNM change | 17:17 |
| bauzas | since it's pretty hard to trace why, I wonder by how much we should just catch the exception and leave with it | 17:18 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220666/ | 17:18 |
| alaski | bauzas: right now I'm of the opinion that we just catch it | 17:18 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah, that one just shows up that there is a problem when saving | 17:18 |
| lalit | alaski: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213041 gate-grenade-dsvm and gate-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu are failing .. do you have any idea | 17:18 |
| bauzas | alaski: so, there is a problem, but I wonder whether it's good to hide it | 17:18 |
| alaski | lalit: I don't right know. I will need to take a look | 17:19 |
| bauzas | lalit: I gonna look at those once we're done, okay? | 17:19 |
| bauzas | oh that too ^ | 17:19 |
| alaski | bauzas: the db change that caused the exception is just exposing a problem that already existed | 17:19 |
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| bauzas | alaski: zactly | 17:19 |
| alaski | so I don't think the problem is new, just the exception | 17:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: +1 | 17:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: but you know, that's far different from pretending it never existed :p | 17:20 |
| alaski | definitely | 17:20 |
| alaski | I think a log would be great there, instead of the exception | 17:20 |
| bauzas | so, we can just throw the exception under the bus and leave with it, that just means that we know that we have a problem but we assess it's not easily fixable | 17:20 |
| bauzas | alaski: sounds a good idea | 17:21 |
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| alaski | well, it's likely that it isn't easily fixable. since it's cells and all :) | 17:21 |
| bauzas | we're just in StringFreeze, so that would defer to Muppet, but I'm fine with that | 17:21 |
| alaski | logging may help us narrow down the cause though | 17:22 |
| alaski | bauzas: I think johnthetubaguy just sent out something saying that new logs are fine | 17:22 |
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| alaski | modifying logs is more of the issue | 17:22 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, I did read johnthetubaguy's new rule of world, but I probably missed that - I thought it was only for bugfixing | 17:22 |
| alaski | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073942.html | 17:23 |
| bauzas | meaning that fixing a bug is far more important than just leave the bug because of i18n, which I +1 on that | 17:23 |
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| bauzas | hah "Additional strings are generally OK" | 17:23 |
| lalit | alaski: okay, regarding removing the soft delete. in model_query itself unknown column for delete exception is raising which is before result..can you suggest for further proceed | 17:24 |
| bauzas | bauzas: typey typey | 17:24 |
| alaski | yeah. it seemed pretty general to me | 17:24 |
| alaski | lalit: I commented on the review | 17:24 |
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| alaski | lalit: basically, for now I think we do need to keep soft-delete | 17:25 |
| alaski | anything else for today? | 17:25 |
| lalit | alaski: ok thanks | 17:26 |
| alaski | lalit: np | 17:26 |
| alaski | thanks everyone | 17:27 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 17:27:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-09-09-17.00.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-09-09-17.00.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-09-09-17.00.log.html | 17:27 |
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| bauzas | ++ | 17:28 |
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| SridarK | Hi | 18:30 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 18:30 |
| annp | Hi | 18:30 |
| jwarendt | Hi | 18:30 |
| bharath | hi SridarK | 18:30 |
| SridarK | shall we get started | 18:30 |
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| vishwanathj | hello | 18:30 |
| SridarK | sc68cal is out today | 18:30 |
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| SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 18:30:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:30 |
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| badveli | hello all | 18:31 |
| SridarK | #chair xgerman | 18:31 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman | 18:31 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 18:31 |
| bharath | SridarK: I have to run for a quick errand. You could discuss the FWaaS fip bug with xgerman and he would fill me in later. | 18:31 |
| SridarK | probab a quick one today as there is not too much in terms of bp stuff | 18:31 |
| xgerman | sure | 18:31 |
| SridarK | bharath: no issues | 18:31 |
| SridarK | #topic bugs | 18:32 |
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| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1492142 | 18:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1492142 in neutron "FWaaS: FIP namespace created after/before Firewall creation doesn't contain FW rules" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sridar Kandaswamy (skandasw) | 18:32 |
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| SridarK | in terms of update, clearly an issue, have been running thru the code and with the L3Agent refactor things have changed | 18:32 |
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| SridarK | thanks to bharath: for nailing this down | 18:33 |
| xgerman | bharath +1 | 18:33 |
| yushiro | Hi SridarK, sorry for late :( | 18:33 |
| SridarK | i will continue investigation and update the bug, but we may need to cover this as part of the observer hierarchy so we can get updates on events | 18:33 |
| SridarK | let me look thru the code more and then discuss | 18:34 |
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| badveli | fine sridark | 18:34 |
| xgerman | ok, we are on some tight deadline so if we can help let us know | 18:34 |
| badveli | please let me know if you need any help | 18:34 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: sure, do we want to call this a Must Fix for this release ? | 18:34 |
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| badveli | sridark did we miss this as part of our testing | 18:35 |
| SridarK | badveli: the code is very different from when we worked on this in Juno | 18:35 |
| badveli | i think we tested one scenario | 18:35 |
| badveli | to ping | 18:35 |
| badveli | ok, thanks | 18:35 |
| xgerman | SridarK yep | 18:35 |
| SridarK | essentially there are parts in the guts of L3 Agent that trigger a notification to FWaaS | 18:35 |
| vishwanathj | pc_m had recommendation early April to move to an Observer hierarchy, i did this for vyatta firewall, had plans to have it available for neutron-fwaas but somehow it slipped | 18:36 |
| SridarK | the intent of the observer model was to clean up the L3 Agent from other Service stuff | 18:36 |
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| badveli | should we go with the observer model | 18:37 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: yes, for FWaaS community too this was the plan but then with some of the uncertainty - i think we did not really prioritize this | 18:37 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, agree | 18:37 |
| SridarK | badveli: yes that is a call we want to take now | 18:37 |
| xgerman | I like clean code but RC-1 is around 9/21 — so real tight | 18:37 |
| SridarK | if we want to do that now as part of RC | 18:37 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes exactly | 18:38 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: so if we can manage with the workaround for L then we can target observer hierarchy for M | 18:38 |
| xgerman | agreed | 18:38 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, what's the workaround? | 18:38 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: restart the agent | 18:39 |
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| xgerman | well, you can just re-add the router | 18:39 |
| xgerman | on the command line | 18:39 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok | 18:39 |
| vishwanathj | The impact is only to the reference implementation, right? | 18:40 |
| xgerman | I haven’t tested on other implementations | 18:40 |
| SridarK | xgerman: perhaps we can discuss more offline and update the bug and decide on next steps | 18:40 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:40 |
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| xgerman | but if somebody can test on 3rd party and update the bug that would be great | 18:40 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: can u do that for vyatta ? | 18:41 |
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| vishwanathj | I will certainly take it up with my team | 18:41 |
| xgerman | thanks | 18:41 |
| badveli | sridark since the update was not proper, should it be the same for others implementation | 18:41 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | badveli: it would depend on each, for cisco for ex - we have our own agent so no issue | 18:42 |
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| SridarK | for vyatta - i think vishwanathj: has fixed it | 18:42 |
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| xgerman | ok, cool | 18:43 |
| SridarK | ok good lets discuss this offline and publish the next step into the bug | 18:43 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:43 |
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| vishwanathj | SridarK, yes we use the observer hierachy, hence was trying to confirm that this impacted only the reference implementation | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: thx yes agreed | 18:43 |
| SridarK | the other bug that got some discussion time last mtg was: | 18:44 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1491637 | 18:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491637 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Error when adding a new Firewall Rule" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rob Cresswell (robcresswell) | 18:44 |
| SridarK | this has been picked up by Rob | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | i did not get a chance to check in with him on it - i don't have any further updates - others pls add if u know more | 18:44 |
| xgerman | can we decide for each bug on the importance? | 18:45 |
| SridarK | xgerman: agreed | 18:45 |
| SridarK | i think this was critical according to the submitter as he could not create rules | 18:46 |
| SridarK | on horizon | 18:46 |
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| SridarK | i don't believe there are any other critical ones to discuss | 18:47 |
| SridarK | unless other folks have things they want to bring up | 18:47 |
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| badveli | only on bug front or Blue prints | 18:48 |
| SridarK | on bugs | 18:48 |
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| vishwanathj | SridarK, i verified that hte horizon bug indeed exists, more of FYI | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: thx, yes and it is assigned - so should get addressed - i will ping Rob as well | 18:49 |
| SridarK | Ok lets move on | 18:50 |
| SridarK | #topic Roadmap | 18:50 |
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| badveli | sridark before this i have one update | 18:51 |
| SridarK | yes pls | 18:51 |
| badveli | i have my neutron patch with the unit tests working as mentioned in previous meeting | 18:51 |
| badveli | except the reference implementation | 18:51 |
| SridarK | ok lets cover this as part of this topic as well | 18:51 |
| badveli | do we have a chance | 18:51 |
| badveli | to put in rc? | 18:52 |
| SridarK | u will need to get an FFE | 18:52 |
| SridarK | seems like a hard sell now | 18:52 |
| xgerman | yep, and they like to have Blueprints | 18:52 |
| badveli | xgerman:does it mean we cannot get FFE | 18:53 |
| SridarK | badveli: i know u have been working hard on this, but perhaps it is easiest to shoot for M and get it in M1 | 18:53 |
| xgerman | badveli we can try — if you give me the blueprint I can ask mestery | 18:54 |
| xgerman | but it’s tight | 18:54 |
| SridarK | badveli: my sense is that if the patch was in active review and just missed the deadline ur chances are higher | 18:54 |
| badveli | thanks xerman | 18:54 |
| SridarK | but worth as shot as xgerman says | 18:54 |
| badveli | fine sridark, xgerman | 18:55 |
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| badveli | but with reference implementation missing, sorry this is what i could do with my time | 18:56 |
| SridarK | badveli: no worries, lets see if something happens else we get this in for M1 | 18:56 |
| SridarK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-fwaas-roadmap-mitaka-summit | 18:56 |
| badveli | ok thanks | 18:56 |
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| SridarK | could we start capturing things that we can bring up for discussion at the summit on this etherpad | 18:57 |
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| SridarK | i tried to put together some prelim stuff and reflect on our recent discussions | 18:57 |
| xgerman | also we need to put some topics into the design session ether pad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-designsummit | 18:57 |
| xgerman | SridarK that looks good | 18:58 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 perhaps we can put a summary and point to the details in our etherpad | 18:58 |
| xgerman | yep, that’s what I am thinking | 18:58 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok perfect | 18:58 |
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| SridarK | i have linked mickeys etherpad here as well | 18:58 |
| badveli | ok i will outline the bp link for DVR east west | 18:58 |
| xgerman | cool | 18:59 |
| SridarK | badveli: i added service groups and u can expand that out | 18:59 |
| badveli | yes and the DVR east west blue print | 18:59 |
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| SridarK | Also do u think we can get some early inputs from deployers for helping drive requirements and priorities | 19:00 |
| SridarK | i just threw some names out there, but pls add | 19:00 |
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| xgerman | well, I think we need to do some serious API design | 19:01 |
| xgerman | to map use cases to API... | 19:01 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes for sure and hoping that use cases will help | 19:01 |
| SridarK | xgerman: but yes this can be a 2 way relationship | 19:01 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:02 |
| SridarK | xgerman: do u think we can get some inputs for HP | 19:02 |
| SridarK | *from HP | 19:02 |
| xgerman | yes, we can | 19:02 |
| SridarK | perfect | 19:02 |
| jwarendt | yes | 19:02 |
| xgerman | was just saying jwarendt is in touch with our FWaaS guys | 19:03 |
| xgerman | or FW | 19:03 |
| SridarK | ok great | 19:03 |
| SridarK | I know RAX had some interest and Walmart Labs as well | 19:04 |
| xgerman | RAX should have more bandwidth after the summit | 19:04 |
| SridarK | will be nice to kick start the summit with a few common use cases | 19:04 |
| xgerman | yeah | 19:04 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok | 19:04 |
| SridarK | will help our prioritization | 19:04 |
| SridarK | ok let me stop rambling :-) | 19:05 |
| xgerman | sballe is now with Intel so we might get them as well ;-) | 19:05 |
| SridarK | so we can try to populate areas in the etherpad and also reach out to deployers | 19:05 |
| SridarK | xgerman: hmm did not know that | 19:05 |
| SridarK | but intel is very much interested too | 19:06 |
| xgerman | yep | 19:06 |
| SridarK | so good we can get some use cases going | 19:06 |
| xgerman | we have all the use cases in trello so we can prioritize and work on the API mappingnin Tokyo | 19:06 |
| SridarK | +1 | 19:06 |
| xgerman | and then start implementing for M | 19:07 |
| SridarK | Anything else anyone wants to bring up | 19:07 |
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| badveli | will there be a recording for the sessions | 19:08 |
| badveli | or watch | 19:08 |
| SridarK | badveli: yes usually put on youtube | 19:08 |
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| xgerman | mmh, usually things get noted on the etherpad | 19:08 |
| xgerman | for design summit | 19:08 |
| badveli | thanks xgerman | 19:09 |
| xgerman | summit talks are on youtube as SridarK mentioned | 19:09 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:09 |
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| xgerman | I am hoping we can have a mid cycle which might be easier to reach for the people not going to Tokyo | 19:09 |
| xgerman | but that’s more for the December-February timeframe | 19:10 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i think timing wise that will be good - time for some push on things we can get in and some retrospective | 19:10 |
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| yushiro | xgerman: sounds great. I'd like to attend that. | 19:11 |
| SridarK | xgerman: are u planning to propose this in Hawaii ? ;-) | 19:11 |
| xgerman | well, we need to look at travel budgets | 19:11 |
| xgerman | also often they are where some compnay can host with conference rooms and wifi | 19:12 |
| SridarK | xgerman: just kidding | 19:12 |
| xgerman | I am all in for Hawaii :-) | 19:12 |
| xgerman | sc68cal probably will root for Philly ;-) | 19:14 |
| SridarK | in Dec hmm :-( | 19:14 |
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| SridarK | yushiro: i hope u also saw the alternate time next week so it is more friendly for APAC | 19:14 |
| yushiro | SridarK: yeah. Thanks. However, I don't feel sleepy :) | 19:15 |
| SridarK | yushiro: :-) | 19:15 |
| SridarK | so we do alternate on times week by week | 19:16 |
| SridarK | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Firewall_as_a_Service_(FWaaS)_Team_Meeting | 19:16 |
| SridarK | also note different channel on the other week | 19:16 |
| SridarK | ok if nothing else, we can close things out | 19:16 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:17 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: SridarK: Sorry for last week, i could not attend the meeting because of Vietnam national holiday | 19:17 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: no worries - we were just not sure if things got missed | 19:17 |
| yushiro | SridarK: I couldn't attend the previous meeting because I was attending the wrong channel ... :( I do take care of the channel. | 19:18 |
| SridarK | yushiro: oops ok | 19:18 |
| SridarK | ok then bye all until next week | 19:18 |
| SridarK | #endmeeting | 19:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 19:18:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-09-18.30.html | 19:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-09-18.30.txt | 19:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-09-09-18.30.log.html | 19:19 |
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| yushiro | all: ah, I will take a summer vacation next week. | 19:19 |
| xgerman | ok, cool — | 19:19 |
| SridarK | yushiro: enjoy and have fun | 19:19 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: Sure. I will absolutely attend from next week. | 19:19 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: cool thx | 19:20 |
| hoangcx | yushiro: no worries. I will take care of it :-) | 19:20 |
| yushiro | xgerman, SridarK: Thanks :) | 19:20 |
| yushiro | hoangcx: Thank you for your help. | 19:20 |
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| yushiro | I'm looking forward to meeting and discussing with fwaas-members. bye | 19:21 |
| annp | bye | 19:23 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 9 20:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| david-lyle | who's about? | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
| tsufiev | hi | 20:00 |
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| lhcheng_ | hi | 20:00 |
| rhagarty | 0/ | 20:00 |
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| mrunge | o/ | 20:00 |
| tqtran | [=_=]/ | 20:00 |
| doug-fish | hi | 20:00 |
| hurgleburgler | o/ | 20:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | ok, was looking at curvature, sorry | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | still a few blips in large environments | 20:02 |
| TravT | how'd it look? | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | very similar TravT to last time | 20:02 |
| TravT | ok | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | this is the list of approved FFEs | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | 2 are implemented, others still need review | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | actually documentation merged, so that is implemented too | 20:05 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: do we have cores committed to review the approved FFEs? | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | lhcheng: I know I've committed :) I think you and robcresswell volunteered for Database Clustering | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | IIRC | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | beyond that I don't know that we have clear commitments | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Yup, I need to go over that again | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | I've got shelving on my list too, its only small | 20:07 |
| * lhcheng lost his memory | 20:07 | |
| david-lyle | yes, that one looked close | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | we could always use more core eyes otherwise things will sit | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | we should also look at bugs | 20:08 |
| lhcheng | if we don't have core sponsoring, those patches might just sit around | 20:08 |
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| lhcheng | yeah, the rc1 bug list is long | 20:09 |
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| mrunge | ugh | 20:10 |
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| lhcheng | do we want to scope rc1 bugs to just critical/high? | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | I'll walk through that in a bit, some may be carry overs | 20:10 |
| mrunge | I'd vote for fixing bugs instead of introducing new features | 20:10 |
| lhcheng | ++ | 20:10 |
| doug-fish | +1 | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | bugs should be the priority | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | we have a bout 2 more weeks before we start locking down an RC | 20:12 |
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| mrunge | may I throw in, we can not backport patches with string changes | 20:13 |
| mrunge | meaning, once mitaka is open, we most probably can't fix bugs introducing new strings in liberty | 20:13 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: does that pertain to any specific bugs that you've identified? or just general advice? | 20:13 |
| ducttape_ | why is that? | 20:13 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, general advice on priorizing on bug fixes | 20:14 |
| mrunge | ducttape_, translations are only done per release | 20:14 |
| ducttape_ | nod, thanks | 20:14 |
| mrunge | and we need to give translators time to translate | 20:14 |
| mrunge | I know this is confusing sometimes and causes frustration for fixing important bugs | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | another suggestion, build a fresh VM and pull down master and just exercise the views | 20:16 |
| mrunge | this is why I would like to stress, we need to look at bugs changing strings | 20:16 |
| lhcheng | btw, there seem a problem with translations proposed.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220404/ | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | we tend to build up collateral defects from other changes over the release | 20:16 |
| doug-fish | another suggestion: extercise the views after pseudo translating them and make sure they all look translatable | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | better to find them soon | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | the idea here is to stabilize for release | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | and find the issues before they become a firedrill | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | you know, like software releases :) | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | anyone have bugs not on the RC-1 list that are causing alarm? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | it's perfect then, good | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:18 |
| doug-fish | not yet | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | any RC questions before we move to the agenda? | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | If you find items you feel may be RC issues target them for RC-1 | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | we can make a judgement call later if need be | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/django-openstack-auth/+bug/1491117 got bumped off the rc1 list because I boo-booed | 20:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491117 in django-openstack-auth "Error when logging back in after timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Jones (r1chardj0n3s) | 20:20 |
| mrunge | oh yes! | 20:20 |
| TravT | is that the integer error? | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes | 20:20 |
| mrunge | and another thing is: unicode issues | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but the fix is against d-o-a | 20:20 |
| mrunge | but r1chardj0n3s first | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: even following you instructions I was unable to repro that | 20:21 |
| TravT | yeah, i've hit that one quite a bit. | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | I've hit that one a lot | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | what backend? | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: oh? huh, I can reliably do it | 20:21 |
| tsufiev | and people around me complained about integer issue | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: session backend? | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: yes | 20:22 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | just the cookie one | 20:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | default | 20:22 |
| TravT | yeah, same for me | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | ok, I haven't used cookies in a while | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | I'll try that | 20:22 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | it shouldn't matter though | 20:22 |
| TravT | ootb devstack setup | 20:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hm | 20:22 |
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| lhcheng | I'm using a db backend as well, maybe it is backend dependent | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: have you repro'd it? | 20:22 |
| lhcheng | I also can't reproduce the issue using the new instruction | 20:23 |
| mrunge | I believe it's an issue with timed out keystone tokens | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | no | 20:23 |
| mrunge | so, set keystone tokens to be short lived, | 20:23 |
| mrunge | no? | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I have actually debugged it and produced a fix | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's all in the bug | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | I think I have seen the login page getting stuck - it's when you are requesting the page /auth/login specifically | 20:23 |
| mrunge | will look at it tomorrow | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | ok, will try again with cookies | 20:23 |
| TravT | ducttape_: that sounds familiar | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | and milk | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's when django tries to re-use a session on login | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | r1chardj0n3s : +1 | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and it tries to int() the user id to compare, but d-o-a uses a string as the id which isn't int()able | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | does it fail once or continuously? | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | you get stuck on the login page for a while | 20:24 |
| * david-lyle is trying to determine if critical | 20:24 | |
| TravT | i have been getting around by manually typing in /auth/logout | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | you eventually quit and reopen new browser, and stuff works | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | if you log in as a different user from the same browser, it'll continue to fail | 20:25 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | ie. using the same session | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | that definitely seems cookie based | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but a different user | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | if it's tied to the browser | 20:25 |
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| ducttape_ | your session is always tied to a cookie, even if the session backend is not cookie | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes, but I'm confused as to why that'd be related to the session backend | 20:25 |
| ducttape_ | i.e. I think the problem is there no matter what | 20:26 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | what ducttape_ said | 20:26 |
| TravT | r1chardj0n3s: your explanation sounds very plausible to me | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I will try harder to make horizon fail | 20:26 |
| ducttape_ | change your user permissions so keystone revokes your token, try that | 20:26 |
| TravT | david-lyle: good luck | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: that should be our next t-shirt motto | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | rock solid | 20:26 |
| TravT | "we try harder to fail" | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | it's kinda my mission statement | 20:26 |
| ducttape_ | you really don't need to try so hard | 20:26 |
| ducttape_ | for some of us, it comes easily | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: the reliable reproduction steps are in the first para of comment 5 on that bug | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://bugs.launchpad.net/django-openstack-auth/+bug/1491117/comments/5 even | 20:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491117 in django-openstack-auth "Error when logging back in after timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Jones (r1chardj0n3s) | 20:27 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I did try that | 20:27 |
| lhcheng | tried that | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | will try once again | 20:27 |
| ducttape_ | I think / recall keystone permission change will do it | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hmm | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I will look at changing my session backend (what do you both use?) | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | I use LocMem or Memcache | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | s/or/and | 20:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | LocMem is easier to set up, I'll try it :) | 20:28 |
| ducttape_ | Memcache or mysql, but I recall seeing it locally too | 20:28 |
| lhcheng | Database | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | anything but cookie | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh! what *django* version are you using david-lyle, lhcheng? | 20:29 |
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| lhcheng | 1.8.3 | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | 1.8.3 I believe | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | what d-o-a? | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I'm pretty sure, though I've not verified, that it's a 1.8 thing) | 20:30 |
| lhcheng | yeah, it is | 20:30 |
| mrunge | +1 for 1.8 thing | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: 1.4.0 | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | is your d-o-a 1.4.0 or greater? | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | more numbers people | 20:30 |
| mrunge | 15 | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | yes, that too | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | 42 | 20:30 |
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| mrunge | yikes | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: you had a different issue that was numerical? | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh, david-lyle, make sure you don't *log out* to when testing | 20:31 |
| mrunge | yes, r1chardj0n3s | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | don't log out? | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so you 1) login in as admin, 2) hit the browser back button to get the login form again, 3) log in as demo | 20:31 |
| mrunge | I remember having seen the same issue while testing/trying the AnonymousUser Repleacement stuff | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | oh, ok, well not critical then, but I'll try that | 20:32 |
| mrunge | and the issue occurred with session timeouts | 20:32 |
| mrunge | i.e. browser tried to reuse the session, keystone token was invalid | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | ok that's probably the different | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | *difference | 20:33 |
| mrunge | may be a different facet | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | I always click logout | 20:33 |
| mrunge | and it was a different code base | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | I get the int error on timeouts I think, though I don't normally write down everything I do at all times | 20:33 |
| mrunge | the issue was, user id seems to be numerical | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: if you log out then the session is nuked, and this bug relies on attempted reuse of the session | 20:34 |
| mrunge | or, in traditional django users, user ids are numerical | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I thought you had an unicode issue | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | not related | 20:34 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, yes | 20:34 |
| mrunge | right | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | ok will reuse session for above | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | mrunge unicode | 20:34 |
| mrunge | I forgot the bug number | 20:34 |
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| mrunge | r1chardj0n3s, tsufiev and I were puzzling with unicode issues | 20:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | a great explanation of unicode, which anyone who feels even slightly mystified by it should watch/read, is http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html | 20:35 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, nice url :) | 20:35 |
| mrunge | kilo and ealier versions are broken, e.g if you're naming your instances using unicode characters | 20:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ouch | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | in horizon or underlying services? | 20:36 |
| mrunge | uhm, horizon | 20:36 |
| mrunge | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488443 | 20:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488443 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Any action always cause error ( in kilo)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matthias Runge (mrunge) | 20:36 |
| mrunge | that's just one bug | 20:36 |
| mrunge | filters are defect as well | 20:36 |
| mrunge | do not filter for instances with unicode names | 20:36 |
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| mrunge | you'll see a 500 server error | 20:36 |
| mrunge | we already have a bug for this, too | 20:37 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, the funny thing about this stuff is that nobody yet complained :) | 20:37 |
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| mrunge | exactly tsufiev | 20:37 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | well, I work for a predominantly US company, so hence it's never been on my radar :( | 20:38 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (see also probably most of the other people here) | 20:38 |
| mrunge | wait, we had one french guy showing up on #openstack-horizon | 20:38 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm more than happy to help sort this stuff out tho | 20:38 |
| doug-fish | I thought instances names (and many other object names) were restricted to a limited character set by the services | 20:38 |
| mrunge | r1chardj0n3s, help is more than welcome | 20:38 |
| lhcheng | ++ there is a regex used for name validation | 20:38 |
| doug-fish | yeah, I can help out as well | 20:38 |
| * tsufiev makes a note to add some unicode to the name generators in integration tests | 20:39 | |
| lhcheng | doug-fish: name validation done on the backend service, not just horizon | 20:39 |
| mrunge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216712/ is far from perfect | 20:39 |
| mrunge | but at least, it seems to fix the most urgent issues for users | 20:39 |
| mrunge | I have gotten feedback, it solved their pain | 20:40 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, made the comment, it's probably just the tip of the iceberg | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | I targeted the bug for RC-1 | 20:40 |
| mrunge | nobody prevents you to create an instance from nova | 20:40 |
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| mrunge | and naming is free, afaik | 20:40 |
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| * david-lyle mutters about API docs | 20:41 | |
| mrunge | the filter bug exploded down in nova, iirc | 20:41 |
| mrunge | so, horizon failed, because nova api returned a server error | 20:42 |
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| mrunge | and a stack trace in database code | 20:42 |
| mrunge | but I may be wrong here | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | that seems like a nova bug | 20:42 |
| doug-fish | I'm in favor of blaming nova | 20:42 |
| mrunge | or keystone, or neutron | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | one that we don't want to exercise, but an input parsing issue | 20:43 |
| TravT | i'll second that | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle, lhcheng: I just confirmed reproduction of the login bug using the LocMemCache | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: the no logout is probably the diff | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | force of habit | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yup | 20:43 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, filed a bug about unicode & tests https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1493998 | 20:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493998 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Integration tests should use unicode characters in user-provided data" [Undecided,New] | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just wanted to double-check for my own sanity ;) | 20:43 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, awesome, thank you | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | ok unicode input testing added to the validation list :/ | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | that will be fun | 20:44 |
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| david-lyle | we do have an agenda | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I blame oslo_utils.encodeutils.safe_encode and all the laziness around it | 20:44 |
| mrunge | ok, for reference, unicode filtering is https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1472999 | 20:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472999 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "filter doesn't handle unicode charaters" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Masco Kaliyamoorthy (masco) | 20:44 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: targeted for RC-1 as well | 20:45 |
| mrunge | thank you david-lyle | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | #topic Styling (SCSS) specific to individual Angular widgets (robcresswell) | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Styling (SCSS) specific to individual Angular widgets (robcresswell) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:45 | |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: o/ | 20:46 |
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| robcresswell | Sorry, my internet died | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | Right, so this is more of a question than anything. I've seen a fair amount of styling be wrapped up in angular widgets | 20:47 |
| ducttape_ | using neutron, eh? | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Which seems like it would be a huge pain for people to maintain and customise, rather than using the stylesheets like we do currently. | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | I was just curious what the plan was around that | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: example? | 20:48 |
| doug-fish | robcresswell: do you have an example ? | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | or an example | 20:48 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/horizon/static/framework/widgets/transfer-table/transfer-table.scss | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | Things like that | 20:48 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, could it be ruled out by linting? | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | It seems like a lote of very specific tiny rules | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | a lot* | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | Rather than generalised styles that can be overridden for theming etc | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | Just trying to not revert the bootstrap work that's going on. | 20:49 |
| hurgleburgler | The rules just need to be adjusted to inherit from theme variables | 20:49 |
| ducttape_ | so the concern is that we have a lot of css, which cannot be themed ? | 20:49 |
| hurgleburgler | I think it can be | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | The concern is that rather than using the bootstrap variables and markup style, we're just using our own | 20:50 |
| hurgleburgler | and the files are small enough that they'll just need a little reworking after they've stabilized | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: the fact that most existing rules are in one file does not make the classes any less specific | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | but yes, the css should be reusing the theme variables | 20:51 |
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| TravT | so, with the angular styling files, very early on, we wanted them to be as self contained as possible. Maybe just theming variables need to be better enabled in them. | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | TravT: yes, that's it | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | the location doesn't matter in the grander theming discussion | 20:52 |
| TravT | i mean each widget should really be a widget and not have random dependencies everywhere. | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | It's not so much the file structure, just the very tiny specific rules for each bit, like very specific padding etc which isnt linked to a variable | 20:52 |
| hurgleburgler | I think it will be pretty easy to address this in M | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | I think everyone is in violent agreement then | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Cool. Well, thats that then :) | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | problem kicked til M, another success story | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | :( | 20:53 |
| hurgleburgler | ٩(͡๏̮͡๏)۶ | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | #topic URL sanity for simpler navigation (nested resources are difficult) (robcresswell) | 20:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "URL sanity for simpler navigation (nested resources are difficult) (robcresswell) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:53 | |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: o/ | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Oh yeah. Man I had a lot of thoughts this week. | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | Right so this pertains to a mail I sent out | 20:54 |
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| david-lyle | well, two weeks ago, this week was a little slower | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | Specifically with nested resources | 20:54 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, does anybody look at the urls these days :)? | 20:54 |
| TravT | rob, i drafted a response and didn't send it | 20:54 |
| TravT | but you did have a question on urls | 20:55 |
| TravT | with angular. | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | haha, awesome | 20:55 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173885/92/openstack_dashboard/static/app/core/images/images.module.js | 20:55 |
| TravT | look at line 57 | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | So its not about URLs being pretty, but that it will let us have easy breadcrumb nav | 20:55 |
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| TravT | but we can achieve similar routing | 20:55 |
| TravT | that patches provides angular routing for the ng images table. | 20:55 |
| TravT | so, you don't require server round trips to go from table to details page and back | 20:56 |
| TravT | as in django templating round trips | 20:56 |
| TravT | just rest api calls. | 20:56 |
| TravT | but the net result is you still get a similar url as django | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | So one of the things thats specifically odd, is that we often append /details to details pages urls, when it should just be <object>/id etc | 20:57 |
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| robcresswell | The question is: is it worthwhile/ agreeable to change urls to things like network/id/port/id etc | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | instead of networks/ports/id/details | 20:58 |
| TravT | my question is, is it worth the effort? | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | So that we can use tqtran breadcrumb patch so we have better nav across the python content we currently have | 20:58 |
| ducttape_ | seems like very low importance to me | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | I'm highly reluctant to move existing URLs around | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | cost/benefit plus side-effects | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | Thats pretty much the question. I havent done much work on it, just a little investigation | 20:58 |
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| robcresswell | So wondered what opinions were. | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | Sounds like its high risk/ low value... a real winner :p | 20:59 |
| ducttape_ | so the best case, would be that things work exactly the same, except the urls will be a bit more pleasant to those paying attention? | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | No, the URL things not the important part | 20:59 |
| tqtran | no, benefit is, it will enable breadcrumb to be more consistent | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | its dropping the breadcrumbs in to give a logical structuring to "where the user is" | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | if you go to the port details page for example, there's no real UI indication of where that is | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | And what its meaning is | 21:00 |
| ducttape_ | yep, agreed. some pages have a rough concept of breadcrumbs | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | Especially if you're linked from outside, so your history doesnt go back to the networks page | 21:01 |
| doug-fish | I assume we're talking about this potentially in mitaka, right? | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | Absolutely | 21:01 |
| doug-fish | just checking. :-) | 21:01 |
| TravT | robcresswell: any mocks up on it? | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | Only the ones I was showign the other week, nothing on invision | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | Will put some up. | 21:02 |
| ducttape_ | I'd say you can add the bread crumb stuff where it makes sense, and go at if that way - this way you are not trying to boil the ocean. would that be more beneficial ? | 21:02 |
| doug-fish | I assume the risks of changing URLs is that we'll have to change tests in parallel? | 21:02 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: I tried that, for the details pages, but it got booed | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | we've run out of time. Please review critical/high bug patches and FFE code. Addressing bugs is the top priority. Also new tests and docs are allowed up to RC1 without FFE. Thanks everyone. | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 21:02:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-09-09-20.00.html | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-09-09-20.00.txt | 21:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-09-09-20.00.log.html | 21:03 |
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