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| sheeprine | Ok we'll start cloudkitty meeting if everyone is here. | 14:03 |
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| huats | Hi sheeprine ! Happy to participate | 14:04 |
| sheeprine | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 14:04:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:04 |
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| sheeprine | We've got some general topics and some more advanced stuff to cover today. So we'll try to focus on important points. | 14:05 |
| sheeprine | #topic today's agenda | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "today's agenda (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:05 | |
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| sheeprine | We'll talk about changes since last summit and version 0.4 | 14:06 |
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| sheeprine | Then big tent application | 14:06 |
| sheeprine | We'll focus on Liberty perspectives and changes | 14:06 |
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| sheeprine | The list of all proposed changes is on the meeting wiki page | 14:07 |
| sheeprine | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CloudKittyMeeting#Proposed_changes | 14:07 |
| sheeprine | #topic Changes since last summit, version 0.4 | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Changes since last summit, version 0.4 (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:07 | |
| sheeprine | Since it's our first formal openstack meeting we'll list what have been accomplished since last summit. | 14:08 |
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| huats | ok great ! | 14:08 |
| sheeprine | We'll just focus on major changes. We've mainly focused on bugfixes and QA. | 14:09 |
| sheeprine | We've fixed some painfull postgresql database migrations. Worked on documentations and code quality. | 14:09 |
| sheeprine | And last point is the switch of last API parts to WSME/Pecan. | 14:10 |
| sheeprine | #topic Big tent application | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Big tent application (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:11 | |
| sheeprine | About the big tent, application has been sent to the TC and a patch is in review for governance change. | 14:11 |
| sheeprine | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225201 | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | The next TC session is tomorrow so hopefully we'll have some good news soon. | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | #topic Liberty perspectives | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty perspectives (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:13 | |
| sheeprine | We've greatly improved the QA of CloudKitty's code and added gabbi tests for the API. | 14:14 |
| sheeprine | Our plan is to be on par with other projects ASAP. | 14:14 |
| sheeprine | About what's to come, we need to define what needs to be addressed and priorities. | 14:15 |
| sheeprine | First, Dynares (Dynamic resources registration) | 14:15 |
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| sheeprine | I've worked on a dynamic resource registration POC. | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | Its goal is to add a layer on top of resources and storage driver. | 14:17 |
| Qu4tre | What kind of resources are going to be dynamically registered? | 14:17 |
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| sheeprine | Qu4tre: All the resources we're currently collecting like with ceilometer for example. | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | The goal is to move from the dict format which is not documented, to a self documented format that we can query from the API. | 14:18 |
| Qu4tre | cool! | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | The goal is unify resources format and have a proper way of storing resources in database for example. | 14:19 |
| sheeprine | ATM we're using a json dump of the resource, which is far from optimal and limit the query possibilities. | 14:20 |
| sheeprine | Which brings us to point 2 | 14:20 |
| sheeprine | #topic New collector model and API | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New collector model and API (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:20 | |
| sheeprine | The goal of Dynares is to help people design collectors and improve database perfomance, that's why we'll need to change the way collectors are working. | 14:21 |
| sheeprine | We need to draft a BP for that but I want to first discuss the topic here. | 14:21 |
| sheeprine | The goal is to remove the old opaques collectors and have self documented collectors. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine | Currently if you want to work on resources collector by cloudkitty you mostly need to check the code to see what is exposed. | 14:23 |
| huats | I am also interested on working on improving the translations. Do 'I contact you on the dedicated channel once I am available ? | 14:23 |
| sheeprine | With the new collector model we'll have API calls to list resources exposed by the collector. | 14:24 |
| sheeprine | So users can directly see what they can trigger calculations on. | 14:24 |
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| sheeprine | huats: We'll talk about translation at the end of this meeting. | 14:24 |
| Qu4tre | So there's going to be a resource catalog? | 14:25 |
| sheeprine | New collectors will not be loaded from ini file configuration settings. | 14:25 |
| sheeprine | Qu4tre: Yes, basically you query for a list of modules and the list of resources. | 14:25 |
| sheeprine | Qu4tre: We can imagine a global resource list referencing the collector | 14:25 |
| sheeprine | Every collector will now have the ability to be instanciated multiple times. You'll use the API to change collectors configuration. | 14:27 |
| sheeprine | So if you need to query multiple ceilometers backend you can do it. | 14:27 |
| sheeprine | To conclude on this point, I'll work on a BP ASAP and we need to find how deprecation will be handled. | 14:28 |
| sheeprine | I think we should keep a "legacy" mode in the configuration for easier transition. | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | next gnocchi support :) | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | #topic Gnocchi support | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gnocchi support (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:29 | |
| Qu4tre | We can keep the "old way" for the nexty release and then move everything to Dynares? | 14:30 |
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| sheeprine | Qu4tre: If we keep the legacy support we can have the two ways in the next release | 14:31 |
| Qu4tre | ok! | 14:31 |
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| sheeprine | About gnocchi, the gnocchi client/sdk is here. Adding Gnocchi will be easy as soon as we've implemented dynares. | 14:32 |
| sheeprine | As gnocchi uses a different convention to describe resources. | 14:32 |
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| sheeprine | In my opinion the main goal will be to use gnocchi as a storage backend, to be able to collect data and then push them back "computed" in gnocchi. | 14:34 |
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| sheeprine | This way we can limit the number of databases needed and have a way faster backend. | 14:34 |
| Qu4tre | So are the resources for Gnocchi going to be different from the Ceilo resources? | 14:35 |
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| sheeprine | Yes they are different is some ways. For example gnocchi links different resources where ceilometer references metadata directly on the resource. | 14:35 |
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| sheeprine | Are there some questions about gnocchi integration? | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | Good. Let's talk about performances and scaling. | 14:37 |
| Qu4tre | No! | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | #topic Threading/Clustering | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Threading/Clustering (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:38 | |
| sheeprine | I don't think we'll be able to address this before Liberty release but we need to modify cloudkitty in order to improve scalability. | 14:38 |
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| Qu4tre | When can we expect to see a POC? | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | Most of the code is here we just need to add threading. A previous patch refactored code in order to be able to create workers. | 14:40 |
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| sheeprine | I don't know we need to find time and people whilling to work on this. | 14:40 |
| sheeprine | Base code is here but we need to have distributed locking (tooz) and local threading to handle the worker pool | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | This needs a BP before we implement this. | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | The first step is to have multiple processors working on different tenant calculations in parallel. | 14:42 |
| Qu4tre | OK, I could work on this I think | 14:42 |
| sheeprine | #action Qu4tre to work on cloudkitty scaling | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | Some questions or ideas about ck scaling? | 14:44 |
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| sheeprine | Fine, let's talk about translation then and we'll finish with the last bits of API needing refactoring. | 14:45 |
| sheeprine | #topic Translation | 14:45 |
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| sheeprine | huats: It's your time. | 14:45 |
| huats | thanks sheeprine | 14:46 |
| huats | as I said ealier (sorry for interrupting you) | 14:46 |
| huats | I am really looking for helping/working ont the translation ok Clouditty | 14:46 |
| huats | I might just need some guidance | 14:47 |
| sambetts | Congrats jroll! | 14:47 |
| jroll | sambetts: wrong channel? :) | 14:47 |
| huats | I'll come and ask for it on #cloudkitty | 14:47 |
| sambetts | jroll: yes :( | 14:47 |
| sheeprine | We'll talk about this on #cloudkitty | 14:47 |
| sambetts | sorry for the noise | 14:48 |
| sheeprine | But this work needs to be cut in two parts | 14:48 |
| sheeprine | no worries | 14:48 |
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| sheeprine | First we need to tag all the strings with oslo.i18n, most of the strings are not ready to be extracted ATM. | 14:48 |
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| sheeprine | Then we'll work on translation. | 14:49 |
| huats | sheeprine: ok | 14:49 |
| huats | I am willing to help on both sides | 14:49 |
| sheeprine | We can talk about this on #cloudkitty channel to see how you can implement this. | 14:49 |
| sheeprine | huats: Do you have more things to ask? | 14:49 |
| huats | nope | 14:49 |
| huats | thanks sheeprine | 14:50 |
| sheeprine | You're welcome :) | 14:50 |
| sheeprine | One last tiny points before we define the roadmap | 14:50 |
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| sheeprine | #topic report API refactor | 14:50 |
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| sheeprine | When I was writing gabbi tests I stumbled upon a tiny problem. | 14:51 |
| sheeprine | The reporting API is not using proper WSME objects to expose data. | 14:51 |
| sheeprine | It's mostly json dumps. | 14:51 |
| Qu4tre | the "forgotte" endpoints? | 14:52 |
| sheeprine | We need to define the data model for the reporting API and to migrate the reporting API to WSME objects. | 14:52 |
| sheeprine | Qu4tre: Yes, I guess it when undetected. | 14:53 |
| sheeprine | s/when/went/ | 14:53 |
| sheeprine | We've reached the end of today's agenda. Does anyone have more points to discuss? | 14:53 |
| sheeprine | #topic other topics | 14:53 |
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| huats | not from my side | 14:54 |
| Qu4tre | non | 14:54 |
| sheeprine | Ok, we'll use the last minutes we've got to define priorities and assign tasks. | 14:54 |
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| sheeprine | #topic work dispatching | 14:55 |
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| sheeprine | huats: I guess you'll be working mostly on translations? | 14:55 |
| huats | yes please | 14:55 |
| huats | thanks sheeprine | 14:55 |
| sheeprine | #action huats is going to work on i18n | 14:55 |
| huats | that would be a good start | 14:55 |
| sheeprine | Qu4tre: Do you have more time to assign to tasks? | 14:56 |
| sheeprine | Do you feel like you'll be able to work on report API for example? | 14:56 |
| Qu4tre | That's not of my resort | 14:56 |
| Qu4tre | I'll ask! | 14:56 |
| sheeprine | Ok, for now you'll focus on threading | 14:57 |
| sheeprine | gpocentek wasn't able to attend this meeting, I'll contact him and see what he can contribute. | 14:57 |
| sheeprine | venkatesh is not available too, I'll contact him later to see what he's willing to contribute. He wanted to contribute on threading/scaling it was to much time to invest for him. | 14:58 |
| sheeprine | Regarding my next task, I'll mostly work on blueprints | 14:59 |
| Qu4tre | ok | 14:59 |
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| sheeprine | I'll push the dynares patch in review so everyone can comment and check if the concept is right. | 14:59 |
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| sheeprine | Then I'll blueprint new API and models to prepare its integration. | 14:59 |
| sheeprine | I guess we'll vote about its integration or not in a future meeting | 15:00 |
| sheeprine | I think that's it. Does anyone as something to add? | 15:00 |
| Qu4tre | Nope | 15:00 |
| sheeprine | I guess we're out of time. Thank you all for attending. | 15:01 |
| sheeprine | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 15:01:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-09-28-14.04.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-09-28-14.04.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-09-28-14.04.log.html | 15:01 |
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| j^2 | o/ | 16:00 |
| jklare | o/ | 16:00 |
| j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 16:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| j^2 | ah nice, your here | 16:00 |
| j^2 | #chair jklare | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: j^2 jklare | 16:00 |
| j^2 | it’s all you buddy | 16:00 |
| jklare | ok then | 16:01 |
| jklare | i guess we will wait some minutes till everybody is here :) | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | :D | 16:02 |
| jklare | anything you want to discuss j^2 ? since we have no official agenda for today | 16:02 |
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| sc` | o/ | 16:03 |
| j^2 | nothing off the top of my head, i think we’re all in all on a good path. our reviews are going through pretty quickly | 16:03 |
| sc` | i'm back from the dead! :D | 16:03 |
| j^2 | yay! | 16:03 |
| jklare | cool | 16:04 |
| jklare | they did not eat your brain i hope? | 16:04 |
| sc` | nope. all appears intact | 16:04 |
| jklare | great :) | 16:04 |
| j^2 | Hey, watching “Fear the walking dead” tells me otherwise | 16:04 |
| j^2 | you’re in LA aren’t you Sam? | 16:05 |
| jklare | ^^ | 16:05 |
| j^2 | oh wait, bay area that’s right | 16:05 |
| sc` | no, nut i was | 16:05 |
| sc` | bay area | 16:05 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:05 |
| jklare | any topics from your side sc` ? | 16:05 |
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| sc` | on the centos front, i have nothing new to update. liberty requires even more repos than kilo, and none of them are what we have in -common | 16:05 |
| j^2 | great | 16:07 |
| jklare | i would like to talk a bit about the refactoring during this cycle and would be more than happy for suggestions for core features/bugs we should add/remove during this cycle | 16:08 |
| j^2 | there’s been announcements about rcs so we should be seeing upstream pkgs for liberty soon right? | 16:08 |
| j^2 | jklare: +1 | 16:08 |
| sc` | hopefully. there are packages out there, but shoehorning it into chef has proven trickier than initially thought | 16:08 |
| jklare | #topic refactoring during liberty cycle | 16:09 |
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| jklare | so basically the most of my ideas is already in the spec that got merged recently | 16:09 |
| jklare | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-chef-specs/specs/liberty/all/refactor_config_templates.html | 16:09 |
| sc` | i'll try to sit in on this week's rdo packaging meeting | 16:10 |
| j^2 | yep, they are solid, but the challenge is that it’s gonna be….a lot of work right? | 16:10 |
| jklare | since this is a quite big spec, i think we should follow markvans suggestion and break it down into blueprints | 16:10 |
| sc` | agreed. what, one bp per project? | 16:10 |
| jklare | i think so | 16:11 |
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| j^2 | that seems not horrible | 16:11 |
| jklare | but we might need to fix our integration testing before we can actually start working on any bp | 16:11 |
| j^2 | but skip the spec process with it, just make the bp | 16:11 |
| jklare | ^^+1 | 16:11 |
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| jklare | because i think as long as our integration testing is not working, we should not start refacoring such big parts of cookbooks | 16:12 |
| sc` | yeah. we need to get integration up and going | 16:12 |
| jklare | did anybody look at this yet? | 16:12 |
| sc` | otherwise, refactoring will be like shooting in the dark | 16:13 |
| sc` | i'm just getting back into things. haven't looked much into anything the past week or so | 16:13 |
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| j^2 | yeah i haven’t touched the int tests either | 16:13 |
| j^2 | i can spend some cycles today though between some meetings | 16:14 |
| jklare | ok, so maybe we can make this our main goal until next week? | 16:14 |
| j^2 | seems reasonable | 16:14 |
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| j^2 | thats the main gate before other projects can start working | 16:14 |
| jklare | and in parallel i will try to write down a first blueprint with all the working steps for the compute cookbook | 16:14 |
| jklare | more suggestions or comments on this topic? | 16:16 |
| j^2 | not here | 16:16 |
| * markvan hi | 16:16 | |
| jklare | howdy | 16:16 |
| jklare | ;) | 16:16 |
| sc` | hi markvan | 16:17 |
| markvan | seems like int testing it close, but need to have it working to start getting benefits | 16:17 |
| j^2 | markvan: yep, that’s our goal for this week :D | 16:18 |
| jklare | yeah, basically getting liberty to run on something would be my next topic here i guess | 16:18 |
| jklare | #topic running liberty (and integration testing) on trusty? | 16:19 |
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| j^2 | simply said, +1 :P | 16:19 |
| jklare | so i have absolutely no experience in running liberty on trusty, but know that it works (with some pain) on vivid | 16:19 |
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| j^2 | yeah i haven’t looked at it either. I don’t think they have an install guide written yet either | 16:20 |
| jklare | imo the question here is if and when we want to make the switch to systemd on ubuntu and what our plan for the other distros is | 16:21 |
| markvan | I have not looked at the other gates latey, have they now switched to vivid for liberty? | 16:21 |
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| jklare | package i don't think so | 16:21 |
| j^2 | they shouldn’t be, vivid isn’t LTS | 16:21 |
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| sc` | isn't wily shipping with liberty? | 16:22 |
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| jklare | not sure | 16:23 |
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| j^2 | yeah i’m not seeing anything obvious stated either | 16:25 |
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| jklare | i think package wise we would be a lot faster if we went for wily, but ofc that is not an lts and also means a big switch to systemd | 16:26 |
| jklare | and also i am not sure when and if we would acutally get wily instances from infra | 16:26 |
| sc` | yeah. last lts is 14.04 iirc | 16:26 |
| jklare | yep | 16:27 |
| jklare | so stick with 14.04 and feel the full pain of the ubuntu package release management for openstack? | 16:27 |
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| sc` | i'd say go with what gets us the path of least resistance | 16:28 |
| j^2 | i think that’s our only option | 16:28 |
| j^2 | because that’s what the other projects are going to be doing | 16:28 |
| jklare | agreed | 16:29 |
| jklare | more thoughts on this? | 16:29 |
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| sc` | none here. seems pretty clear | 16:30 |
| j^2 | nope | 16:31 |
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| jklare | ok, one last topic from my side (which is super old) | 16:31 |
| j^2 | :D | 16:32 |
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| jklare | #topic synchronous communication meetings | 16:32 |
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| jklare | we have not talked about this in quite some time | 16:32 |
| j^2 | nope | 16:33 |
| jklare | but for me this is still something that is/was important for us working together and syncing up | 16:33 |
| j^2 | makes sense | 16:33 |
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| sc` | any thoughts on how to improve it? right now, we just have this hour. everything else is async | 16:35 |
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| jklare | imho we need something like the hangouts sessions back | 16:35 |
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| jklare | and i think for the project flow itself this would be more important than beeing part of the big tent (not saying that i think we should leave it) | 16:36 |
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| sc` | is there something we could use that is more transparent than hangouts? | 16:37 |
| jklare | there are hundrets of videochat solutions out there i guess, question is if we want to invest time into finding the best one for us, or if we think its not that important | 16:38 |
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| sc` | i'm in agreement that we need more synchronous communication, given the time differences, but i'm just trying to think of something that would work with the project being part of the big tent. we ditched hangouts as a provision of moving to the big tent | 16:39 |
| sc` | fwiw, i'm around most hours of my evenings until pretty late, just focusing on other things | 16:40 |
| jklare | j^2: markvan ? | 16:41 |
| j^2 | yeah i got nothing when it comes to synchronous meetings | 16:41 |
| j^2 | officially speaking we can’t santion one, that’s was one of the agreements for being part of the “big tent" | 16:42 |
| j^2 | IRC should be “good enough" | 16:42 |
| sc` | it is, but there often goes some days when nothing is said in the channel | 16:42 |
| markvan | yeah I miss the face to face hangouts, but maybe we should focus on better irc meetings | 16:42 |
| sc` | given the size of the channel, it can be a bit confusing at first | 16:43 |
| j^2 | sc`: yeah it’s frustrating nothing happening said in the irc channel | 16:43 |
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| jklare | markvan: sounds good, any thoughts on what we should improve? | 16:43 |
| markvan | we could meet a bit more often, but for shorter times and try to get a small agenda to focus on. | 16:43 |
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| sc` | i lurk on other channels and there are certain folks i see that make themselves available beyond a standard work day, but i'd hate to mandate something like that | 16:44 |
| sc` | given that it's all volunteer-driven, i'm not sure it could be | 16:45 |
| jklare | how about everyday at 15:00 UTC for 10mins in our own channel? you all throw the topics you want to dicuss at me during the day/night and i can put together a short agenda for each evening | 16:46 |
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| jklare | ofc we can substitue me in this case with an etherpad or something | 16:46 |
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| jklare | 13min left for this meeting btw | 16:47 |
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| j^2 | yeah i thin it would be nice to have that sync, but maybe just wed/fri? not force it everyday that sometimes’ll be over kill? | 16:48 |
| j^2 | but at the same time, if no progress is made, then the sync you can say no progress | 16:48 |
| j^2 | i dunno | 16:48 |
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| markvan | that concept sounds like a good way to try to sync more often | 16:49 |
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| sc` | definitely worth trying | 16:50 |
| j^2 | cool, so 1500UTC tomorrow then? | 16:51 |
| jklare | sounds good, lets try meeting tomorrow 15:00 UTC in the #openstack-chef channel and i will prepare an etherpad for this | 16:51 |
| markvan | k | 16:52 |
| j^2 | awesome | 16:52 |
| jklare | any more topics for the last 8mins? | 16:52 |
| sc` | packagers need to be consistent with naming things | 16:53 |
| sc` | keystone.wsgi vs wsgi.py is maddening | 16:53 |
| jklare | :) | 16:53 |
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| markvan | yeah, I see some discussion on openstack trying to create generic packages and push that across the platforms | 16:55 |
| markvan | not sure how far that will actually get, seems like an up hill battle | 16:55 |
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| j^2 | yep | 16:55 |
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| markvan | (Solum project0 | 16:56 |
| jklare | i think we have to take this discussion to our channel | 16:57 |
| j^2 | yep | 16:57 |
| sc` | yup. we're about at time | 16:57 |
| jklare | thanks for attending | 16:57 |
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| j^2 | :D | 16:58 |
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| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 16:58:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-09-28-16.00.html | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-09-28-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-09-28-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 17:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
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| betherly | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:00 |
| vdrok_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| jvmario | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | \o | 17:00 |
| jroll | welcome everyone :) | 17:00 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
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| trown | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| sinval | \o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | \o | 17:01 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Nisha | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | for those that just joined, the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| krotscheck | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | #topic announcements | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| jroll | so first off, apparently y'all decided I should be PTL. thanks for that, it's an honor :) | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | congratz to jroll | 17:02 |
| devananda | congrats to jroll on the election :) | 17:02 |
| trown | congrats | 17:02 |
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| mjturek1 | congrats! | 17:02 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:03 |
| betherly | congratulations jroll | 17:03 |
| cinerama | o/ | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:03 |
| sinval | o/ | 17:03 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | second, we released ironic 4.2.0 last friday. 21 bug fixes and 4 blueprints completed over 16(?) days. nice work everyone \o/ | 17:03 |
| vdrok | jroll, congrats! | 17:03 |
| jroll | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/4.2.0 | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | awesome | 17:03 |
| cdearborn | congrats! | 17:04 |
| jroll | #info ironic 4.2.0 released | 17:04 |
| natorious | o/ | 17:04 |
| jroll | #info the stable/liberty branch has been cut from that same commit; backports will be released as 4.2.x for liberty final. if no backports happen, 4.2.0 will be liberty final. | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:04 |
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| jroll | last but not least... | 17:05 |
| jroll | #info reminder to submit mitaka design summit sessions. need to have our schedule complete by oct 15 | 17:05 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 17:05 |
| jroll | does anyone else have any announcements? | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | not here | 17:06 |
| rloo | jroll: moving backwards from that date, when are you/we planning on looking/deciding? | 17:06 |
| jroll | rloo: not sure yet, I just heard that date this morning. probably a few days or a week before? | 17:06 |
| jroll | I do want that to be a collaborative thing, I will let y'all know :) | 17:07 |
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| rloo | jroll: ok, cuz it seems like whatever that date will be, is more important. | 17:07 |
| jroll | yep. | 17:07 |
| jroll | I'll post something on the ML this week | 17:07 |
| jroll | moving on... | 17:08 |
| jroll | #topic Review subteam status reports | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:08 | |
| trown | fwiw there is a meeting the day before | 17:08 |
| trown | 14th | 17:08 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
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| jroll | trown: I see oct 15th on a thursday :P | 17:08 |
| trown | lol, yep looking at september ... | 17:09 |
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| jroll | I see a bifrost release \o/ | 17:09 |
| TheJulia | Yes, had to get a few things worked out first :) | 17:09 |
| NobodyCam | w00t | 17:10 |
| jroll | nice work | 17:10 |
| TheJulia | ty | 17:10 |
| jroll | jlvillal: krtaylor lekha: I see the note about waiting for mimic in g-r; that's just client testing, right? any news on server testing? | 17:10 |
| jroll | thanks everyone else for clear updates here | 17:11 |
| jroll | if anyone has questions on these please do raise them | 17:11 |
| rloo | who/what is 'horizon downstream'? | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | jroll: No news on server functional testing from me. I will work on some prep work for functional testing in the server. Which would require moving test directories around. | 17:11 |
| rloo | is that a particular company's | 17:11 |
| rloo | downstream? | 17:12 |
| jroll | great question | 17:12 |
| jroll | krotscheck: betherly ^ | 17:12 |
| jroll | jlvillal: cool :) | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | eh? | 17:12 |
| jroll | krotscheck: what's 'horizon downstream' in this subteam update? | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | rloo: There's an effort inside of HP to build an ironic panel for a specific customer. | 17:12 |
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| rloo | krotscheck: ah, thx for explaining. | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | rloo: It's focused on Ironic kilo. | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | rloo: And... well, they tried to impose their own deadline on us. | 17:13 |
| betherly | sorry for not being clear in my update, thank you for clarifying krotscheck | 17:13 |
| jroll | krotscheck: one more question - when can we get you and betherly as cores on ironic-webclient? is that something you just need me to push the button on? | 17:13 |
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| krotscheck | jroll: I can't speak for betherly. I don't want to be core, because I'd rather write code. | 17:13 |
| krotscheck | Also, even with two of us, we need another +2 to approve things. | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | that's the spirit :-P | 17:14 |
| jroll | krotscheck: you don't want to be core on a project you started? | 17:14 |
| jroll | sure. | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | I'd say sometime you have to become a core | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | jroll: devananda started it. I just wrote the code. Make him a core ;) | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | Oh wait. | 17:14 |
| jroll | krotscheck: a +2 from someone that understands the code is immensely helpful to those of us that don't understand it as well | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | Hey, now that devananda | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | Hey, now that devananda's not PTL naymore, he can review my code! | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Not sure how dtantsur did it in the beginning of inspector/discoverd? | 17:14 |
| devananda | krotscheck: I do not know how to review node.js code | 17:14 |
| rloo | are we sure we want this project then? | 17:15 |
| betherly | jroll: I am happy to be so that one of us is but i will want to keep a good balance between code and reviews. ultimately because i have a webclient to build and i love building it | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | devananda: That's good, because it's not node.js code :D | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, we have a separate team, I just add people there after discussing with existing folks | 17:15 |
| devananda | wait. what is it? | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | devananda: browser code. | 17:15 |
| devananda | oh. js. | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Well in the beginning when it was just you. | 17:15 |
| devananda | i don't know that either :p | 17:15 |
| trown | who is expected to review the code if not the people writing it? | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: How many +2s were required... | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, me, Imre and Lucas. I've asked the folks to join, so that I'm not along. but we needed only 1x +2 back then | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | trown: I really dislike +2'ing my own code. And current policy is 2x+2, no? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, now are team is bigger and more diverse, so we're sticking with 2x +2 | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | like a big serious project :D | 17:16 |
| krotscheck | Serious. Yes. That's us. | 17:16 |
| jroll | devananda: krotscheck: betherly: I think right now we have a problem, because nobody familiar with in-browser javascript has the permissions to +2 any of this code. and so it's punted to ironic-core, who are already extremely busy. | 17:16 |
| trown | krotscheck: it could be 1x +2 for something that is just starting | 17:16 |
| jroll | krotscheck: the project sets its own policy | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | krotscheck: I think you could set the policy to less strict in the beginning and make it more strict in the future as it grows? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | I was not even aware that I have a +2 on webclient... | 17:17 |
| devananda | single +2 approval is fine for small / younger projects IMO | 17:17 |
| jroll | I don't see the value in a second +2 if that +2 doesn't mean anything. | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | I tend to agree | 17:17 |
| krotscheck | jroll: Project policy for subprojects is your call, no? | 17:17 |
| betherly | jroll: I am therefore happy to be a core to enable there to be one who is more familiar with in browser js | 17:18 |
| jroll | krotscheck: no, it's that project team's call. which right now, is ironic-core. which is weird because nobody on that team works on that project. | 17:18 |
| jroll | krotscheck: I'd rather you and betherly run that project. both of you should be core on it. | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | +1 if anyone cares :) | 17:19 |
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| betherly | i would also agree with the above...it seems not to make sense for things to be +2'd just because they need to be | 17:19 |
| betherly | not because they are good code necessarily ^ | 17:19 |
| betherly | sorry my messages are taking weirdly long to send even with an excellent internet connection....weirdddddd | 17:19 |
| krotscheck | betherly: That's IRC for ya | 17:20 |
| krotscheck | Ok, this should not be a big deal. | 17:20 |
| betherly | krotscheck: ++ | 17:20 |
| krotscheck | Let's just make the two of us cores. | 17:20 |
| jroll | krotscheck: so, I can't make you accept core, but I encourage you to do so | 17:20 |
| jroll | cool, thank you. | 17:20 |
| krotscheck | I dislike the idea. | 17:20 |
| krotscheck | But that's fine | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | if there are things that need a second set of eyes I am happy to help... do note that really need glasses | 17:20 |
| krotscheck | Because seriously we have better things to do , like write code :) | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | krotscheck, I would not call it "better" | 17:21 |
| jroll | krotscheck: ironic cores would like to write code too :) | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | like, serious, code review is equally important part of making a high-quality product | 17:21 |
| betherly | I guess at that point that is our boundary we set up...although i have not been core before so i guess ill find out ;) | 17:21 |
| Madasi | sounds like your first job as core is to "borrow" some js web client developers from somewhere | 17:21 |
| rloo | krotscheck: i feel like i was just insulted. makes me wonder why I review. | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | we do that not because we adore to put -1 on people's work, but because it's a required and in avoidable part :) | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | Reminds me that sometimes I don't think the other people in my company value code-reviewing as much as I do... | 17:22 |
| jroll | #action jroll to make krotscheck and betherly core on ironic-webclient | 17:22 |
| betherly | I would 100% agree that reviewing is massively important | 17:22 |
| krotscheck | rloo: urr... sorry, what? I didn't mean to insult you. | 17:22 |
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| jroll | I think we should probably continue this discussion elsewhere, for the sake of time, please | 17:22 |
| krotscheck | rloo: It was more of a me-capitulating thing in favor of moving the project forward. | 17:22 |
| rloo | krotscheck: you want to write code and complain that no one reviews your stuff. who is oging to review if everyone wants to write code? | 17:22 |
| jroll | any other questions/comments on subteam updates? | 17:22 |
| * dtantsur points at ironic-inspector liberty release as well | 17:22 | |
| NobodyCam | jroll: +1 for moveing on | 17:22 |
| krotscheck | rloo: Let's move this to the ironic channel. | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ w00t | 17:23 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:23 |
| rloo | krotscheck: no need to move it, i don't feel a need to discuss further. | 17:23 |
| jroll | moving on | 17:23 |
| jroll | #topic Deprecation policy | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecation policy (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:23 | |
| jroll | this was a late add, sorry if I didn't give enough reading time | 17:23 |
| jroll | in short: | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | This? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228489/ | 17:24 |
| jroll | openstack has a new deprecation policy for configs/APIs/features/etc | 17:24 |
| jroll | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.rst | 17:24 |
| jroll | today we tend to follow a one-cycle deprecation period, which is good | 17:24 |
| jroll | this adds a minimum of 3 months time, for continuous deployment folks | 17:24 |
| jroll | which I think is good, and we should do | 17:25 |
| jroll | I want to make sure there's no objections to us doing that | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | so the question essentially is whether we like the current deprecation policy? | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | How does it differ from before? | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I do | 17:25 |
| jroll | I've added a commit to governance repo, to add the tag that signifies that we follow this policy: | 17:25 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228489/ | 17:25 |
| jroll | objections welcome here or in that review | 17:26 |
| jroll | jlvillal: the 3-month thing | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: I'm fine with the 3-month stuff. Did you read the fine print about documenting migration path, email thread on openstack-operators. (might be more, that's all i read so far) | 17:26 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, and we should do a better job of that regardless | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Because now we release more frequently than every three months? | 17:26 |
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| jlvillal | Sounds reasonable to me. | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | I'm ok with the 3 month thing as described in the links above | 17:27 |
| jroll | jlvillal: well, it's more important to us due to that, yes, but it's also there for people deploying from master | 17:27 |
| rloo | jroll: it is at least 3 months + next stable release branch. | 17:27 |
| jroll | so it's 3 months + a cycle boundary | 17:27 |
| jroll | yep | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | any issues if we just bumped to two cycles? | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | too much old stuff to support? | 17:28 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: makes for more stale code | 17:28 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: 2 cycles is too long for some stuff | 17:28 |
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| jroll | things like configs are easy to do in one cycle | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | arguably, if people didn't fix their code after the first notice, they won't do that the second time as well | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | ack but at 1 cycle and 3 months we're like 3 months away from 2 full cycyles | 17:28 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: 2 cycles makes sense for bigger features maybe, but we can assess that on individual basis. | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | just saying | 17:28 |
| jroll | there's an email thread, a gerrit review, and a cross project meeting log with more info on this topic as to how people decided on this | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, I understood it like "1 cycle, but at least 3 months", no? | 17:29 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: we've been doing 1 cycle+ now anyway. | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | yea | 17:29 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: it depends when it was deprecated :) if something is deprecated at the start of a cycle, two cycles is a year, this is only 6 months | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | so not a hugh change for us to add the extra 3 months | 17:29 |
| jroll | yep | 17:29 |
| jroll | just means, for example, we couldn't remove the bash ramdisk today because it was deprecated with the 4.2.0 release | 17:29 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: but it seems to me that since we've been doing it for 1 cycle and no one has asked/complained for 2 cycles, why 'impose' it? | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | :) I am good with the change.. just asking about the other.. no real skin in the game for me | 17:30 |
| jroll | devananda: so there's one more thing here - do you know what the current status of our grenade jobs is? | 17:30 |
| jroll | there's a requirement to have upgrade testing | 17:30 |
| devananda | jroll: not off hand. last time I touched it was the start of Liberty | 17:30 |
| * devananda misses adam_g | 17:30 | |
| jroll | so we may not be able to tag the project in the governance repo until we get that done | 17:30 |
| jroll | maybe a good item for jlvillal and friends' todo list | 17:31 |
| jroll | :) | 17:31 |
| * jlvillal makes a note to get more details after meeting | 17:31 | |
| jroll | cool | 17:31 |
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| jroll | #info ironic will follow the new openstack deprecation guidelines | 17:32 |
| jroll | any other questions/comments on this topic? | 17:32 |
| jroll | #topic Open Discussion | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:32 | |
| jroll | have at it :) | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:33 |
| * jroll grabs a drink real quick | 17:33 | |
| rloo | I'd like to thank Devanada for being PTL | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | yes! | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | +++++ | 17:33 |
| devananda | \o/ | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | yeah, big +++ | 17:33 |
| jvmario | ++ | 17:33 |
| jroll | +3 \o/ | 17:33 |
| Madasi | ++ | 17:33 |
| vdrok | and from me too :) | 17:33 |
| sambetts | ++ :) | 17:33 |
| rloo | I don't think ironic would exist w/o him | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:33 |
| jroll | and for, ya know, starting this project :) | 17:33 |
| * jroll has big virtual shoes to fill | 17:34 | |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:34 |
| devananda | thanks, all -- it wouldn't be what it is w/o all of your contributions too! | 17:34 |
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| devananda | and don't worry -- y'all wont get rid of me by just voting in a new PTL ;) | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | hehe | 17:35 |
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| jroll | really, nothing to discuss? | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | I had a question on a L patch. I wanted to poll folks about what they thought the chances of the one view driver landing as a backport are for the L release | 17:36 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: ...backporting a feature? | 17:37 |
| rloo | 0.0000001 % chance I think | 17:37 |
| jroll | rloo: seems high :) | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | backporting the whole driver... is against all current policies, I guess | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Maybe a dumb question on Ironic/Neutron work. Will it enable multi-tenant deployments? Being able to isolate bare-metal users from each other? | 17:38 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: even if we did it, the release team would probably hurt me | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191822 | 17:38 |
| devananda | backporting a driver? -2 | 17:38 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: from a network perspective, yes | 17:38 |
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| jlvillal | Sweet :) | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | thats what I was checking on | 17:38 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: they could publish a kilo or liberty driver to github | 17:38 |
| rloo | the whole idea of the new versioning is so that people can get a release with a feature in sooner than the 6-month releases. NobodyCam, that doesn't work for you? | 17:38 |
| jroll | jlvillal: I'm sure you know all the caveats of sharing hardware, you need to do more than clean disks :) | 17:38 |
| devananda | and then we could link to it in docs and/or wiki -- i think that's fine | 17:38 |
| jroll | rloo++ I fully expect this to be in 4.3 | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Oh yeah! For sure. | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | yea | 17:39 |
| lekha | jroll: Did not get to do any ironic functional tests last week. Am hoping to get it started this week. | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | I was just checking with folks | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I suspect they hope for it on the stable/liberty branch, which just isen't going to happen | 17:39 |
| jroll | lekha: yeah no worries, just was checking up on it :) | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | so I could provide feed back | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | yeah, there are some chances that we'll publish an updated dell driver separately on github, but you better ask ifarkas | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | thank you :) | 17:40 |
| liliars | devananda, NobodyCam yeah we thought about publishing a liberty driver to github and would be nice to have it on docs, thanks (: | 17:40 |
| JoshNang | (a bit late but..) devananda thanks all your work as PTL! especially navigating the integration challenges | 17:40 |
| jroll | :o a wild JoshNang | 17:40 |
| JoshNang | :D | 17:40 |
| lekha | jroll: congrats on being the new PTL :) | 17:41 |
| rloo | hey JoshNang. And that you too, for your contributions! | 17:41 |
| JoshNang | and congrats to jroll :D | 17:41 |
| JoshNang | :) | 17:41 |
| jroll | thanks :) | 17:41 |
| rloo | JoshNang: s/that/thank/ | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | Whoa, JoshNang in the house? :) | 17:41 |
| * rloo thinks we should be partying now | 17:41 | |
| dtantsur | the meeting is devoted to saying thank you :) | 17:41 |
| JoshNang | ha | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:41 |
| jroll | ikr | 17:42 |
| jroll | ok, anything else? | 17:42 |
| * jroll gives folks some free time back | 17:42 | |
| * NobodyCam really does think everyone in the Ironic family is awesome | 17:42 | |
| jroll | thanks everyone! | 17:42 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 17:42:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-09-28-17.00.html | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-09-28-17.00.txt | 17:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-09-28-17.00.log.html | 17:42 |
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| betherly | thanks all! | 17:43 |
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