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huatsHi everyone14:09
sheeprine#startmeeting cloudkitty14:09
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 12 14:09:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:09
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)"14:09
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty'14:09
sheeprineOk this meeting will be pretty short I guess.14:09
sheeprineWe'll be mostly talking about the design summit agenda14:10
sheeprine#topic Design summit14:11
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sheeprineSo, we've got two session for Tokyo design summit. A workroom and a fishbowl room.14:12
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sheeprineThe workroom will be dedicated to work on the integration with gnocchi.14:12
sheeprineI've talked with jd and he'll come say hi and work with us on this :)14:13
sheeprineWe'll need to fill the etherpad for this session at this URL14:13
sheeprineI'll try to do my best to fill this etherpad before next meeting.14:14
sheeprineThe second session is a more general session, we'll mostly talk about how cloudkitty is working and what will be changed in this cycle.14:15
sheeprineThe goal is to discuss of the pending blueprint and find what needs to be changed and if some people are willing to contribute new features.14:16
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sheeprineIf some people got ideas for this session feel free to add your ideas in this etherpad.14:16
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sheeprineBTW, the fishbowl session got rescheduled to 2:40 PM14:16
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sheeprineDo we have any questions or suggestions about the summit agenda?14:18
sheeprineI guess it's a no... We need to find more developers, feeling alone here ;)14:19
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sheeprineI guess we'll stop there then. We'll continue on the mailing list, it will be easier for others to catch up.14:20
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jklare#startmeeting openstack-chef16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 12 16:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef'16:00
jklaresince a lot of the people who usually attend are occupied otherwise, i will just wait 10 min for someone to join and close the meeting otherwise16:01
jklareyou ok with that sc` ?16:01
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sc`sounds good. if we need to reschedule for some other time when more are available, i'm good with that16:02
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jklareso, if anybody who does not usually attend our meetings wants to ask anything, speak up now :D16:03
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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 12 17:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
jrollhi all, who's here for the ironic meeting?17:00
jroll#chair devananda NobodyCam17:00
betherly:) hi all17:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll17:00
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jrollas always, the agenda is here:
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jroll#topic Announcements17:01
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jrollfirst and foremost, I'd like to officially welcome vdrok and jlvillal to the ironic core reviewer team \o/17:02
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vdrokthanks :)17:02
jlvillalI just want to say thank you :)17:02
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gabrielcongratulations, vdrok and jlvillal !17:02
krtayloryes, congrats!17:03
jrollsecondly, an update on Liberty release status. we're planning on releasing 4.2.1 this week, which will become the Liberty integrated release17:03
devanandawelcome to the team, vdrok & jlvillal :)17:03
jrolltrying to land and backport this patch first:17:03
lucasagomescongrats jlvillal vdrok !17:03
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jlvillalThanks everyone17:04
jrolldoes anyone have any other announcements? :)17:04
lucasagomesjroll, +1, I think it may need an email as well, cause that's also a breaking change17:04
jrolllucasagomes: yep, it'll be in email and release notes, I'll hack on those today17:04
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jrollok, moving on...17:06
gabrielWe from the OneView driver team are glad to announce the approval of our patch :)17:06
jrollah, yes!17:06
gabrielThank you all for all the reviews17:06
jrollthe OneView driver is on it's way to merge \o/17:06
jroll#topic sub-team status reports17:06
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jrollas always, these are at:17:06
* jroll gives folks a few minutes to review17:07
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JayFSome ongoing work that got spun up a couple of weeks ago but isn't on any of the updates17:07
JayFis the push to make the IPA ramdisk smaller17:07
JayFcurious if anyone's aware of a specific catalyst for that?17:07
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lucasagomesgabriel, w00t :-)17:08
jrollJayF: running full tempest currently takes 4-6 hours or something ridiculous, because we can't do much build concurrency17:08
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NobodyCamuggh sorry was late17:08
jrollJayF: (and that's something we'd like to get running at least on check in nova)17:08
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jrolldoes anyone have any questions/comments on the subteam reports?17:09
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lucasagomesjroll, JayF perhaps we can use sambetts tinyIPA for the parallel tests17:10
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* lucasagomes tested it locally with iscsi methodology and it works17:10
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jrolllucasagomes: yeah, something to look into17:10
JayFI don't object at all to looking at new/smaller ramdisks or shrinking the CoreOS one17:10
JayFjust curious as to what the explicit goal was17:10
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lucasagomesJayF, right17:11
jlvillalJayF: Maybe sambetts can comment on motivation?17:11
JayFjlvillal: well it sounds like from jroll that we're just trying to get more parallelism for our tempest tests, which makes sense to me17:13
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jrollanything else here or can we move on?17:13
dtantsuralso proof-of-concepts on virtual machines: not everyone has so much RAM on their laptop..17:13
sambettsI was just interested it seeing if we could make a smaller ramdisk with a hopfully less complicated build for IPA, I just like experimenting with things like this :)17:13
sambettsfor reference ^17:14
NobodyCamty jroll :)17:15
jrollok, moving on for now...17:15
JayFsambetts: if you proposed that to imagebuild/ (assuming you are Tehsmash) I'd have no opposition to inlcuding that as well17:15
JayFsambetts: you'd probably be able to refactor it to package whatever git HEAD is at too17:15
JayFand we could start publishing a tinyipa tarball as well :) No reason to not do it17:15
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jrollyeah I like that17:16
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jroll#topic Summit session prioritization/scheduling17:16
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jrolllet's move on17:16
jrollso, a list of session proposals are here:17:16
jrollwe have four fishbowls and four workroom sessions17:17
jrollI've reserved a fishbowl for a joint session with nova at the bottom17:17
jrollI'd like to get a sense of what sessions we think are most valuable; we need a final schedule by thursday17:17
lucasagomesjroll, let's make sure the nova folks will come to the room17:17
jrolllucasagomes: yep, johnthetubaguy is wrangling them to do so17:17
jrolldoes anyone have any strong opinions for or against any of these sessions?17:18
lucasagomesI think the notification one is really valuable, I would love to see it implemented17:18
lucasagomestho I don't know if it's controversial17:18
* lucasagomes feels everyone agrees notification is pretty cool17:18
jrollI see a few suggestions on the pad to cover topics on the mailing list instead of the session, which is good17:18
sambetts+1 on the driver compistion one17:19
jrolllucasagomes: yeah +1, though what/how/when we send notifications would need some work17:19
gabriellucasagomes: do you mean the #2 on that list?17:19
lucasagomesyeah perhaps the format etc17:19
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lucasagomesgabriel, yes17:19
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* jlvillal tempted to remove all colors, but won't ...17:20
gabrielI'd love to have that discussed/decided/implemented too :)17:20
lucasagomesthe non-tech one that I would like to see as well is the "How can we improve rate of reviews"17:20
jrolljlvillal: you can turn them off on your end in settings :)17:20
lucasagomesn 1117:20
jlvillaljroll: Ah, thanks17:20
lucasagomesI think this is the core part of the project, if we can improve it the better we are17:20
NobodyCamlucasagomes: +17:20
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dtantsurI think "How can we improve rate of reviews" should be solved in a bar on Monday :)17:21
lucasagomesdtantsur, heh that also works17:21
lucasagomesneeds to be discussed17:21
jrollI'd personally like to discuss third-party drivers and how we eventually get to the point where we have third party CI for them17:21
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jrolldtantsur: ++ for starting that over drinks and escalating to the ML17:21
dtantsurI'd like to get folks talking about driver composition again, as it's a major and controversial change17:22
jrolldevananda: dtantsur anyone else, are there API versioning things we want to talk about or are we mostly good?17:22
jlvillalBig +1 for Ops Session17:22
lucasagomesjroll, ++ useful as well17:22
* jroll thanks whoever is bolding things17:22
dtantsurjroll, we're not good until we land a spec on it IMO17:22
lucasagomesI would like to think that we can iron out the API versioning in a session as well17:22
devanandajroll: we should be cleaning up the docs around them -- but I'm not sure that a discussoin session is needed17:22
lucasagomesthings like when we need to bump it is very important17:23
dtantsurbut I would not waste time on it, to be honest, as we have a de facto agreement17:23
jrolllucasagomes: dtantsur: can you add some notes on what we may want to discuss?17:23
lucasagomesand I don't think we have an agreement about it yet17:23
jlvillaljroll: You're welcome17:23
devanandalucasagomes: oh hm. you think there's stuff not covered in the docs that we need to discuss?17:23
lucasagomesjroll, sure... /me adds17:23
devanandajlvillal: what would that Ops Session cover?17:23
jlvillalI would like to hear feedback from operators on ironic.17:24
devanandajlvillal: in the past, I've tried to hold those sessions and found them either unattended or the feedback was not anything we didn't already have17:24
lucasagomesdevananda, I think things like "bump the version for backward compat changes" still in the air no?17:24
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jlvillalWhat are we doing right for them. What are we doing wrong.17:24
jlvillaldevananda: Oh :(17:24
dtantsurlet us discuss versioning on the core party, and get seriously drunk before17:24
lucasagomesevery time it was brought up I saw many discussion but no affirmation of it17:24
TheJuliadtantsur: ++17:24
devanandajlvillal: yea. I tried again at the ops midcycle and got no feedback from ops17:24
NobodyCamTheJulia: dtantsur ++17:24
jlvillaldevananda: Me personally I have very little insight into how the operators are using Ironic. So I would like to now more.17:25
jlvillaldevananda: That is unfortunate...17:25
jrolllucasagomes: with api versioning, I almost tend to think we should document the current rules / status quo, and debate from there17:25
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lucasagomesjroll, yeah17:25
devanandajlvillal: afaict, openstack operators are concerned with different things -- like how to manage database replication or their nagios alerts -- and aren't using ironic to deploy openstack yet17:25
dtantsurjroll, lucasagomes, it's not that we don't have anything documented:
lucasagomesjroll, ok, maybe an action note to do that?17:25
jlvillaldevananda: Okay.17:25
jrolllucasagomes: what I mean is, let's not use a session for that :P17:26
lucasagomesdtantsur, ok, are we good with it?17:26
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dtantsurwell.... we've lived with it for 2 cycles, I guess we can live on17:26
devanandajroll: ++ to fixing our documentation first17:26
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lucasagomesheh ok fair17:26
lucasagomesdtantsur, ok :-) you were my biggest concern about it17:27
jrollok, I'm going to remove the api versioning session17:27
dtantsurI still hate it, but c'mon... we have to move on one day, it looks like it's here to stay :)17:27
lucasagomesdtantsur, heh ++17:27
jroll"deploy driver using ansible" <- I think I want to see a spec before we start discussing this, is anyone opposed to me striking this one out17:28
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dtantsurmajor ++ to spec first17:28
lucasagomesI like the idea, but indeed needs a spec17:28
dtantsuractually, we agreed that all technical discussions need a spec in advance, no?17:28
devanandajroll: pls to not using a session on that17:28
jrolldevananda: yeah heh17:28
jrolldtantsur: roughly agreed, yes17:28
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NobodyCamdtantsur: yea I thought we did17:29
devanandait's an idea that I discussed in passing with folks maybe a year ago, but I don't see what problems it actually solves17:29
dtantsurI wonder if the next summit, when we have more slots, we could have a slot for subprojects17:29
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devanandaafaict, it's just "make a more flexible deploy driver"17:29
jroll"Features to increase reliabity and availability" IMO this is very broad, and some parts of it are way in the future. anyone +1/-1 on this?17:30
lucasagomesjroll, well it has some hard dependencies that may take the whole cycle to be completed17:31
lucasagomesso, not sure if it worth talk about it right now ?17:32
lucasagomesat least for mitaka, I think it's a good session for the future17:32
dtantsurmaybe next summit...17:32
jrollother than that one, it's just a list of things that aren't contentious and we have a good path forward on17:32
jrollthat one being the N+1 thing17:32
jrollyeah, I'm going to boot that one17:32
devanandawe had a session on cinder last summit -- it was great to share knowledge with everyone17:32
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lucasagomesdevananda, ++17:32
devanandabut there wasn't anything contentious that I recall. so I htink that's just a matter of "lets get the things written and reviewed"17:32
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NobodyCamya we did learn some new things in that session .. so ++17:33
lucasagomesthat went very one, tho we didn't merge/implemented that work yet17:33
devanandamore scalable / faster / better lock manager?17:33
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lucasagomesI like lock manager idea17:34
gabrielare there plans to carry cinder integration on in this cycle?17:34
jrolldevananda: so what's there to talk about there? upgrade is going to be weird/hard, other than that?17:34
jrollI'm going to move some stuff around since I've crossed a bunch of things out here17:35
jrollgabriel: yes17:35
wanyengariel,  yes. iLo driver team is working on Cinder integration.17:35
devanandajroll: tooz or !tooz. wait for cross-project agreement or do-it-now. if we want to pick one, which one?17:35
lucasagomesgabriel, ++, that have been requested many times17:35
devanandajroll: these are all things that several of us have different opinions on, I beliee17:35
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devanandaand since we have different opinions, I thnk that means it's worth hashing it out in person rather than in a spec17:36
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jrolldevananda: yeah, fair enough17:37
devanandaI'd also suggest group management get a slot17:37
devanandawe've punted on the chassis vs. tags vs. something else discussion for a while17:37
dtantsuroh yeah...17:37
vdrok++ for group management17:37
jrollyeah, I'm okay with that17:37
NobodyCamdevananda: oh that would be a good one17:37
wanyendevananda and jroll: ilo driver team has a group managemt spec, it's udner internal review.  We plan to submit a spec soon.17:38
NobodyCamwould love to either use or remove chassis obj17:38
gabrielSo shouldn't we have a session on cinder integration, then? Or is it already well discussed?17:38
devanandawanyen: can you get a draft up before the summit? this week would even be great ...17:38
jrollwanyen: it would be very very beneficial to have that up before summit17:38
jrollgabriel: it's pretty well discussed, people have work in progress on it17:38
devanandagabriel: I feel like it's well discussed17:38
lucasagomesgabriel, it's been discussed already17:38
lucasagomeswe know what needs to be done, we just need to do it17:38
wanyenjroll: yes.  Will sumbit it before summit17:38
lucasagomesfor both boot from volume and also mounting volumes17:39
gabrielI see... thanks.17:39
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jrollwanyen: thanks17:39
dtantsurwanyen, cool! please make sure it's more or less in line with the ongoing work on adding tags (or that it explicitly supersedes it)17:39
wanyendevananda:  okay. we will try to submit it by end of this week17:39
* dtantsur is really not sure how these two features are related17:40
jrollok, so we're down to 9 sessions for 8 slots17:40
jrolljust need to remove one more - rate of reviews thing?17:40
jrollI'm good with removing that and talking about it informally17:40
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wanyendtantsur: it will be group management APi & framework.  The implementaiton can be done by enhancing tag or use native hardware group mgmt capabilities.17:41
devanandajroll: 1 and 9 are very similar17:41
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jrolldevananda: ....kinda17:41
dtantsurwanyen, good! I'm just making sure you're aware of it17:41
devanandadriver composition && driver API17:41
jrolldevananda: I think there's 40 minutes worth of stuff in each one17:41
devanandathey're different, but related17:41
dtantsurmmmmm... remotely related, I would say17:41
devanandaoh, totally -- we could talk for hours on each of these topics, I suspect :)17:42
jrolldevananda: and I don't think "how to improve rate of reviews" is a great summit session17:42
devanandajroll: *nod*17:42
jrollanyone opposed to removing that one? (#7)17:42
lucasagomesjroll, we can talk about it in the ironic dinner (are we having one? )17:42
lucasagomesI mean the review thing17:42
devanandajroll: would "how to better coordinate reviews across the team, so we can land code faster" be better?17:42
lucasagomesand if we don't have a dinner planned, we should17:42
dtantsur++ for removing, ++ for handling it during the dinner17:42
jrolllucasagomes: nobody has set up a dinner yet afaik17:42
jrolldevananda: see also "get organized" :D17:43
lucasagomesjroll, we can talk about it in the open topics17:43
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jrolllucasagomes: yeah, even friday17:43
devanandajroll: right. I don't see that in a slot17:43
jrollok, nuking it17:43
wanyenjroll: I actually like to discuss review process for 3rd-party driver spec & code17:43
jrollok, we're 8/8 there, is anyone opposed to the list? I'll work with some folks this week as far as scheduling17:44
wanyenjroll: and 3rd-party doc17:44
jrollwanyen: yes, I think there's a few things to talk about there, could you add those to the 3rd party session?17:45
jrollwanyen: oh, never mind, that's 3rd party CI17:45
dtantsurjroll, as to the FRIDAY section, do you object if I put an ironic-inspector team meet up there as well?17:45
jrollwanyen: let's talk later about when/how to discuss that :)17:45
dtantsurwe do need a chance to chat over our stuff17:46
jrolldtantsur: not necessarily, however that's a 30 person room we're sharing with infra already :/17:46
jrolldtantsur: but inspector is part of the ironic umbrella, so mi casa es su casa17:46
dtantsurjroll, ironic-inspector team is a subset of the ironic team anyway (though not of the core team)17:46
jroll(my house is your house, meaning we can share)17:46
jrollthat seems fine to me17:46
jrollI'm going to open up open discussion in case folks have other topics, we can of course continue this one too17:47
jrollthanks for everyone's help sorting these out17:47
jroll#topic Open Discussion17:47
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wanyenjroll: I added under 3rd-party CI.  You canre-org it17:47
lucasagomeswho wants to have an ironic dinner?17:48
jlvillalShould we add support for 'Openstack-*' headers? In addition to 'X-Openstack-*' headers?17:48
jlvillal\o for dinner :)17:48
dtantsurjlvillal, not before they finally land the cross-project spec17:48
jrollwanyen: thanks. I'm not sure we'll have time for it at a summit session. I don't know what topics you have for that, maybe best to start on mailing list?17:48
lucasagomesjlvillal, if the rest of OS decides on Openstack-* I think so17:48
jrolljlvillal: yeah, we should follow API working group guidelines, generally17:48
jrolllucasagomes: ++ for dinner17:48
jlvillalOkay, sounds like we wait on header changes.17:49
lucasagomesok, and which day would suit most people better?17:49
lucasagomesperhaps thursday ? (not sure if there's anything planned on thursday evening)17:49
dtantsurTue and Wed are various parties17:49
jrolllucasagomes: tuesday and wed are bad for me17:49
dtantsurThu lgtm (at least for now)17:49
jrollmonday or thursday or friday should work afaik for me17:49
mariojvi vote thursday, since people may have flights friday night or early saturday morning17:50
krtaylorMon or Thurs17:50
dtantsuriirc there was a service to vote on day, no?17:50
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jrolldtantsur: doodle17:50
lucasagomesdtantsur, doodle or somehting like that17:50
wanyenjroll: mainly to see if upstream can have a lighter-weight review process for 3rd-party spec, code and doc. An perhaps allowing vendor to approve their own spec.17:50
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jrolllucasagomes: do you want to organize the dinner? or we could see if BadCub would mind?17:51
jrollnice, ty17:51
betherlyo/ for dinner! sorry my IRC chose to fail sending that message17:51
jrollwanyen: that seems like a good topic for the mailing list :)17:51
wanyenjroll: ok if we don't have time to discuss that at summit.17:52
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jrollwanyen: we may have time friday, but let's start the conversation on the ML17:52
lucasagomesjroll, if BadCup can do it, it would be better17:52
* lucasagomes is not good organizing anything17:52
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lucasagomesbut if not I can try to see something17:52
jrollNobodyCam: ^ mind checking with BadCub17:52
NobodyCambadcup? lol17:52
lucasagomesBadCub, you have been invoked17:52
BadCubwhat did I do now?17:52
TheJuliavolunteered, don't worry ;)17:53
BadCubwhy hast thou summoned me from my slumber? lol17:53
jrollBadCub: lucasagomes is going to send out a doodle about ironic dinner dates; would you mind organizing that beyond the doodle?17:53
NobodyCamfolks seems to love your ablity to plan dinners ... they are asking for your help again17:53
jlvillalBadCub: The curse of being good at organizing things... ;)17:53
jrollit's his people skills :)17:53
BadCubSure. Just shoot me some ideas and I shall grumble my way around them17:54
jrollhehe, thanks man17:54
BadCubanytime :)17:54
jroll5 minutes left if anyone has something else?17:54
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jrolllucasagomes: maybe worth putting a "things I refuse to eat" section on that doodle. e.g. dansmith won't eat tentacles.17:55
BadCubjust know.. BadCub does not do raw food or fish heads. So we gotta find multi-use cuisine17:55
jrollI suspect BadCub won't... yeah that17:55
* jlvillal hasn't yet figured out how to get from airport to hotel...17:55
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dansmithjroll: +117:55
lucasagomesjroll, oh ok... will redo it17:55
betherlyditto jlvillal17:55
jrolljlvillal: I hear "airport limousine bus" is recommended17:55
betherlyi have heard taxis are ludicrously expensive there17:55
lucasagomesor people can put in the comments?17:55
dansmithjlvillal: there is a train17:55
jrollBadCub: tab, not enter17:55
BadCubwhy wont it work17:56
devanandajlvillal:  << wont be exactly what you need, but that site is great17:56
dansmithjlvillal: costs much less than the limo bus17:56
BadCubyes, train.. that is what I was trying to say17:56
jrolllucasagomes: yeah that seems fine17:56
NobodyCam++ train17:56
jrolllucasagomes: put that on the ML maybe?17:56
jlvillaldansmith: devananda and others. Thanks for the tips on transport17:56
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lucasagomesjroll, will do17:56
dtantsurI think there's even a direct train there17:56
NobodyCamthe train stops like acorss the park from the hotel17:57
NobodyCam*host hotel17:57
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betherlythanks for the tips :)17:58
jrollalright, I'm gonna wrap this up17:59
jrollgreat meeting, all, thank you!18:00
lucasagomescool thanks all18:00
betherlyok thanks all :)18:00
gabrielthank you all o/18:00
NobodyCamthank you all18:00
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dhellmannflaper87: o/19:59
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flaper87dhellmann: o/19:59
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flaper87dhellmann: I manged to wake up :P20:00
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flaper87ok, lets start20:00
dhellmannflaper87: congrats! I assume that means you're adjusted to the tz20:00
flaper87dhellmann: yeah20:00
flaper87#startmeeting tc20:01
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flaper87I don't have a courtesy-ping list for this meeting so, I hope everyone is around20:01
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dhellmannI know sdague was interested20:01
flaper87sdague: jaypipes20:01
flaper87I know those two20:01
dhellmannand maybe lifeless?20:02
flaper87ttx: in case you're awake20:02
dhellmannflaper87: you could just ping everyone in case20:02
ttxreviewing from bottom up as we speak20:02
flaper87ttx: mind using the courtesy ping list from the tc?20:02
dhellmanncourtesy ping for jeblair, russellb, annegentle, markmcclain, dtroyer20:02
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flaper87just in case others are around20:02
flaper87dhellmann: thanks20:02
flaper87#topic Agenda20:03
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dhellmannI think that's everyone who hasn't already poked their head up or been mentioned20:03
* jeblair pokes20:03
jaypipeshey, I'm here. I'm on the etherpad commenting..20:03
flaper87That's pretty much our agenda. Lets try to go through as many as we can20:03
Eva-iHello. I'm here too.20:03
flaper87I've added them in order of submission20:03
flaper87unless I messed that up20:03
flaper87#topic Role assignments for service users20:03
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sdagueok, so for folks that haven't commented on the etherpad yet, I'd say that's where you should be doing things. Do we want to give folks sort of 20 minutes to get through the list20:03
sdagueflaper87: I don't think walking through 27 items on irc is going to really work, we should get people to comment in etherpad and cull first20:04
ttxalmost done20:04
jaypipessdague: I'd appreciate that, but I feel selfish for saying it..20:04
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dhellmannyeah, flaper87  how about if we try to identify anything we can cut as a first pass?20:04
dhellmannor the other way, anything we think is critical20:05
flaper87dhellmann: ok, I'm good with that. First time running this meeting s open to suggestions and corrections20:05
flaper87sdague: ^20:05
flaper87well, I'm always open to that but you get my point20:05
flaper87#topic Fast-Track topics20:06
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flaper87Any topics in particular you'd like to fast-track?20:06
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sdaguethe deprecation one20:07
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dhellmannservice catalog, too20:07
sdaguethat came out of the TC meeting, so seems like a thing we should definitely land20:07
mordredflaper87: 18 and 8 and the deprecation one20:07
mordred17 is what I meant20:07
flaper87Service catalog got some good votes (1)20:07
mordred8, 17 and 2720:07
dhellmannI'd also like the themes discssion, #19, but that seems to have tepid support20:08
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ttxare we sure everything that was on the etherpad got moved here ?20:08
dhellmannand *something* about defcore, we had 2 I think we can combine20:08
annegentleo/ sorry I'm late20:08
flaper87I'd like to see #2 in as well20:08
sdaguettx: everything in odsreg is here20:08
flaper87ttx: is there something missing?20:08
mordredjaypipes: (I agree wholeheartedly with you on 8 btw - I'm on it)20:08
ttxsdague: I mean the original submission etherpad20:09
flaper87So, we have #2 and #8 that are very similar20:09
sdaguettx: I have no idea20:09
dhellmannttx: isn't this the same pad?20:09
sdagueI think I was out the week that all went down20:09
sdaguedhellmann: it is not20:09
mordredflaper87: 2 and 18 you mean?20:09
flaper87mordred: yes, sorry20:09
sdaguedhellmann: this is effectively an export of odsreg20:09
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dhellmannoh, this is the only etherpad I have a link to20:09
sdaguewhich was a pretty manual process, so lets never do this again :)20:10
flaper87this is the same etherpad20:10
sdagueflaper87: oh, ok20:10
flaper87ok, focus20:10
flaper87so far I have20:10
jeblairyes, i'd like to combine 2 and 18 and fast-track that20:10
mordredjeblair: ++20:10
flaper872, 8, 18, 2720:10
ttxwe might want to pick sessions for double-slots too20:10
flaper87we can combine 2 and 1820:10
flaper87so, I'd go with the first one that was submitted and work on that20:10
sdagueif we combine 2 and 18 who has the baton on moderator for it?20:10
flaper87mordred: jeblair dhellmann preferences?20:10
dhellmannflaper87: I'm making notes about this near line 1820:11
flaper87dhellmann: thanks20:11
dhellmannflaper87: I can moderate that, with mark's input20:11
jeblairflaper87: i think dhellmann should mod, and should coordinate with mvoelker to see his things are included20:11
jeblairor, what dhellmann just said :)20:11
flaper87jeblair: :D20:11
flaper87ok, sold!20:11
dhellmannyeah, I'd want mark's content as the first 5 minutes to frame the discussion, I think20:12
flaper87I'd like to see #23 as well20:12
flaper87I think we should fast-track that one20:12
flaper87That'd be documentation20:12
sdagueI added a Nack list, as there are a couple that seem pretty clear we drop20:13
sdague16 - rocky withdrew it20:13
sdague7 -  chungg said he couldn't run it any more20:13
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dhellmannflaper87: 23 seems pretty good but only has +1 votes so far20:13
jeblairyeah, i'd like to have it but it doesn't seem like fast-track material to me20:14
sdaguettx: are you proposing rolling 22 into 23?20:15
flaper87oh and 1920:15
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flaper87I think that one could also be fast-tracked20:15
ttxsdague: I think I can touch on the important points in #22 in #23 instead. I kind of agree that a full session about pain points is likely to be counterproductive20:15
dhellmannwe 2 several on roles and policy, can we take that group and sort through those? #1 & #1220:15
sdaguehow close are people feeling towards scoring all the ones they care about? is another 5 minutes good enough for that?20:16
ttxI'm done with scoring20:16
flaper87dhellmann: ++ Can you (or someone else) help with pinging these folks?20:16
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flaper87Any objections on #19 ?20:16
dhellmannflaper87: pinging?20:16
sdaguedhellmann: honestly, I don't know. It's one of those places there was a lot of going around this last cycle, and honestly if they need 2 sessions it might be better than other things on there20:17
mordreddhellmann: I thnk 1 and 12 are a bit different20:17
flaper87dhellmann: I thought you meant you wanted to ask them to work together. nevermind20:17
dhellmannsdague: sure, I wasn't necessarily saying combine just that we look at them as a theme20:17
flaper87dhellmann: misunderstood you, keep going :)20:17
mordredyah. as a theme for sure - I thnk they're complimentary brian topics20:17
sdaguedhellmann: yeh, I'd say put them back to back20:17
sdague6 is another candidate nack, it's super vague, and people scored it badly20:18
dhellmannsdague: did you happen to talk to ayoung about the scope change on 12?20:18
dhellmannsdague: ++20:18
sdaguedhellmann: I did not directly talk to him about it20:18
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flaper87sdague: ++ nack'd it20:19
sdagueok, who needs more time for scoring?20:19
ttxWe can abandon #22 and I can touch on the very few points that matter there on #23 instead20:19
sdagueotherwise I'm going to start doing maths20:19
jeblairi'm good.20:19
dhellmannttx: added to the nacks list20:19
sdaguejaypipes: ?20:19
sdagueannegentle: ?20:19
ttxI could reword it a bit. I want to touch on helping people keep up with the dev news20:19
ttxbut that can live in #2320:20
annegentlesdague: still scoring, ya20:20
jaypipessdague: yeah, 2 more minutes please.20:20
jaypipes(i'm on 22)20:20
sdagueok I'll start at the top with stuff you've voted on20:21
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sdaguealso, whoever is yellow, you need to add your name to your scores20:21
sdaguea yellow +1 showed up on #320:21
jeblairsdague, flaper87: i started a list of things we should put in the ops session hole at the top20:21
dhellmannttx: while we wait, a procedural note: if we're going to use odsreg next time, we need to hook it up to send comments as email so we can get feedback from proposers20:21
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jeblairdhellmann, ttx: if we do, i can make that happen.  piece of cake.20:22
flaper87jeblair: awesome, thanks!20:22
flaper87I think #10 is also good for fast-track20:22
sdagueit also needs real data export20:22
sdaguebecause manually doing the sqlite dumps to get it back into the etherpad was pretty gorpy20:22
dhellmannjeblair: great, I think that would be an improvement20:22
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annegentlealmost there, sorry for the delay I'm off today with kids20:23
ttxI proposed a more catch-all title for #23 now that we abandoned #2220:23
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flaper87ttx: thanks20:23
annegentledone :)20:24
flaper87we have 21 slots, btw. So far we've 5 sessions20:24
ttxso with the 5 nacks we already have less than we have slots.20:24
flaper87ttx: :)20:25
flaper87and 27 submissions total20:25
ttxis there anything that would benefit from a double session ?20:25
annegentleflaper87: nice work20:25
flaper87we've nacked 5 and we've merged a couple of them20:25
flaper87annegentle: thanks :D20:25
sdaguedhellmann: rescope to ....20:25
jaypipesttx: the DLM one.20:25
mordredjaypipes: ++20:25
flaper87jaypipes: ++20:26
ttxok noted20:26
flaper87that'll require some serious talking and bike-shedding20:26
ttxanything else ?20:26
flaper87I wonder if DefCore20:26
flaper87but I'm not sure20:26
flaper87dhellmann: ?20:26
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ttxservice catalog TNG maybe20:26
dhellmannsdague: catching up, sorry20:26
annegentleDefCore prolly20:27
sdaguedhellmann: yeh, you were typing in the etherpad20:27
sdagueon the dynamic policy one20:27
dhellmannflaper87: I'm missing context20:27
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sdagueand it sort of ends mid sentence20:27
flaper87dhellmann: double slotes for the DefCore session20:27
dhellmannsdague: yeah, I was trying to listen to ayound at the same time, I finished it20:27
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dhellmannflaper87: I don't think we need 2 sessions20:27
flaper87dhellmann: ok20:27
mordredttx: service catalog tng would be good to hammer on20:28
mordredif we have time, I'm guessing20:28
dhellmannflaper87: the point there is to start the engagement and establish lines of communication, and we should timebox that20:28
flaper87dhellmann: sounds good!20:28
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jaypipesttx: the only other one I think *might* need 2 slots is the future of multinode testing one.20:30
flaper87mordred: ++20:30
flaper87I think the Service Catalog will also require some time20:30
sdaguejaypipes: I'm not sure there is 2 sessions worth in there20:30
sdaguefor multinode testing20:31
sdagueat least for the next cycle20:31
jaypipessdague: no? ok, I trust your judgment on that.20:31
ttxmordred: well, at one point it will be, should we have this session or a double-slot on that one20:31
ttxok, so 2 double-slot candidates20:31
flaper87also, I'm adding the service catalog one to the Approvals, it has 16 voes20:31
ttxok, how about we reorder them by score20:32
sdagueok, do we want to try slotting some of the top ranked ones at this point ?20:32
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flaper87ok, so far we have 8 slots occupied (counting double sessions)20:32
ttxsdague: ok, let's do that20:33
flaper87sdague: I was doing that already20:33
* jaypipes thinks the performance working group kickoff session is important to have in the cross-project track.20:33
flaper87I mean, getting the obvious ones ups20:33
sdagueflaper87: no, I mean on the schedule20:33
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flaper87sdague: oh, ok20:33
mordredflaper87: I think 8 should go early, and 21 should go before 520:33
flaper87sounds good20:33
flaper87mordred: yup yup!20:33
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sdagueso, now we get into the fun20:34
ttxhow about we NACK all the negative scores20:34
sdagueflaper87: there is a chunk at the bottom of the etherpad with bullet list for slots20:34
sdagueso I'm going to put 27 in one of the 2pm slots20:35
jeblairflaper87, sdague: i found 5 things that i thought would be good for the 2pm slots; listed at top of etherpad20:35
jeblairflaper87, sdague: i think 3 of them are stronger than the other 220:35
mordredoh. booo. I want to be in 27 and 21 and both want to be at 2pm20:35
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ttxI propose we NACK 15 13 and 9 as having negative scores20:36
sdaguettx +120:36
jeblairmordred: only 3 of them can be, so we have choices there20:36
* mordred agrees with jebliar about 21 not being in 2pm - makes his personal schedule better20:36
sdagueyeh, I wouldn't put 21 at 220:36
flaper87++ for 21 at 220:37
sdaguebecause the ops we get that talk aren't those ops20:37
sdagueso I don't think it's useful crossover20:37
flaper87I think we could have #8 after #2720:37
ttxso basically we NACKed enough to have our two double slots now20:37
ttxand approve everything else20:37
sdague5 at 2pm sounds good20:37
flaper87it's likely that many folks attending that one would want to stick around20:37
flaper87and we need 2 slots20:37
* ttx adds room capacity to the equation20:38
jeblairsdague: 3 vs 20 for a 2pm?20:38
sdaguettx: are they all the same size?20:38
ttxyou wish20:38
dhellmannwhat's special about 2:00? is that the ops track hole?20:38
jeblairdhellmann: yse20:38
sdaguejeblair: I think 320:38
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sdague20 is more dev focussed20:38
jeblairsdague: cool, we agree on 27/3/5 :)20:39
sdaguethough it means I can't go to 320:39
sdaguebut, oh well20:39
ttxsdague: added capacity to the bottom of etherpad20:39
jeblairsdague: :(20:39
flaper87I think 5 should be at 220:39
flaper87ttx: thanks, that helps20:39
sdagueflaper87: yep, but not 2120:40
flaper87sdague: agreed!20:40
sdagueso selfishly I'd like 17 in the pre lunch block in one of those rooms20:40
ttxso. I striked out all the ones on the NACK list. Anything you think we should NOT have ?20:41
ttxanything else *20:41
sdagueit probably doesn't need the A room if we think there will be a bigger topic20:41
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ttxnext on the NACK kill list would be #4 with 0 votes20:41
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* ttx votes and kills it too20:42
jeblairttx: nicely done20:42
flaper87I think we should have #8 in Track A after #2720:42
sdagueok, so flaper87 suggested 8 to follow 27 in the same room20:42
ttxjeblair: you can vote nd save it !20:42
sdagueflaper87: do it20:42
jeblairttx: nope, that didn't happen20:43
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flaper87I'm fine with 17 in the pre-lunch slot20:43
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flaper87probably on Track B, though20:43
sdagueflaper87: ok, lets do it20:43
sdagueI'll let you type20:44
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flaper87Ok, what about the defcore one?20:44
ttxsdague: should we just approve eveythign else ? We have enough NACKed to have one extra slot at this stage20:44
flaper87I thin that deserves track A20:44
flaper87dhellmann: any preference on the slot ?20:44
sdaguettx: yeh, I think so20:45
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flaper87ttx: ++ for approving everything else20:45
flaper87we have enough slots20:45
dhellmannflaper87: for #2?20:45
flaper87dhellmann: yes20:45
dhellmannI think A or B, early in the day since I expect it will have an impact on other discussions20:46
ttxsdague: then we can discuss what we do of the extra slot20:46
dhellmannflaper87: actually, I guess all of these are before project discussions so the time doesn't matter so much20:46
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jeblairttx: sleep20:46
sdagueso 1 and 12 should go back to back, so do them in the 2:50 B block?20:46
flaper87dhellmann: ok, I'd do B pre-lunch for now20:46
flaper87unless someone disagrees20:47
flaper87erm, I meant A20:47
flaper87B pre-lunch is taken already20:47
flaper87sdague: ++20:48
ttxOf mine I think 23 and 24 can live in the small room (C). I'd say 11 and 21 needs at least the B room20:48
sdagueok, those are on20:48
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dhellmannflaper87: I stuck themes earlier, but that can move to another room if we need the space for something else20:48
sdaguettx do you have proposed timeblocks20:48
flaper87dhellmann: aewsome20:48
flaper87and +1 for having 19 early in the day20:48
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sdaguettx given that you are an exclusive lock20:48
ttxargh, that will be a difficult one. Let me try20:49
jeblairsdague: do you think "service catalogs" might should be a "theme for the mitaka cycle?"20:50
sdaguepython 3 in C first thing?20:50
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mordredsdague: do we have the right people available for 3 in the 2pm slot? I worry that it's going to be a topic that wants to make progress and will not have humans in the room20:50
sdaguejeblair: it might be20:50
mordred(it just hit me)20:50
flaper87I added #10 to track C at 2:5020:50
sdaguemordred: how about we stick more stuff on and then horse trade?20:50
jeblairsdague: (if so, hopefully someone can advocate for it since they collide)20:50
mordredsdague: kk20:50
sdaguejeblair: yeh, I think that can happen by proxy20:51
flaper87and it goes back to back w/ the openstack way20:51
jeblairsdague: cool20:51
dhellmannflaper87: I think I've copied all of the unscheduled titles down near the bottom of the page20:51
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flaper87dhellmann: super helpful, thanks!20:51
ttxsdague: I placed them20:51
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sdagueok, I put python 3 on the early block in C20:52
ttxanyone else being moderators on multiple sessions ?20:52
ttxsdague: ++20:52
flaper87sdague: ++20:52
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dhellmannttx: I think I have 2, defcore and themes20:52
ttxsdague: 11 could move on room A20:53
ttxif we don't have a better candidate for that20:53
flaper87I've put 26 track C last in the day20:53
sdagueso, we have keystone federation, multinode testing, and upgrades?20:53
flaper87not sure about the capacity for that one20:53
ttxmultinode testing can be in room C20:53
flaper87but I assumed track C would be enoug and I'd rather have keystone federation on B20:53
sdaguettx if 11 moved to room A, I'd put the live upgrades bit in B in that slot20:54
ttxsdague: done20:54
flaper87B is fully booked so I've put 25 in C20:55
ttxsdague: oh, btw.20:55
sdagueso that's it right? as there was a free slot?20:55
sdaguenow stare and horse trade?20:55
ttxsdague: after 3:40pm the ops only have woring sessions, not fishbowls, so we should put ops-related things there if they don't fit teh 2pm slot20:55
flaper87I wonder if we should move Keystone to track A20:55
mordredttx: I want to rearrange all of your sessions :)20:55
flaper87that could/should have more attendance20:55
ttxmordred: wait I just added a constrinat20:56
sdaguemordred: so, originally you wanted to move 320:56
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flaper87any thoughts on moving Keystone's session? Or do we prefer to keep that slot free just in case?20:56
flaper87(6 mins left)20:56
mordredsdague: I did and do20:56
sdagueflaper87: yeh, put keystone in the last A block20:57
sdaguethat's going to probably need bigger than C20:57
mordredsdague: I kinda feel like you should be in 320:57
sdagueflaper87: no, don't move the test one20:57
mordredttx: and I'd like to swap 21 and 24 - because 21 feels like a scoping setup for later conversations20:58
flaper87sdague: oh, sorry20:58
mordredbut I'm just talking out loud20:58
flaper87sdague: I thought about giving that track an early end of the day but I guess you're booked on both20:58
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flaper87mordred: +1 for swapping those20:58
ttxmordred: it's tricky they are not in the same room20:59
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sdaguemordred: so if we put 3 in the 4:40 block, I could probably be in it20:59
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sdagueso bump it to 4:40 in C20:59
mordredthen I vote we do that20:59
dhellmannhmm, I won't be able to attend but maybe dims can21:00
sdagueI guess that means that 21 could be in the 2 block21:00
flaper87mmh, but I think 3 should use some ops love21:00
sdagueflaper87: the ops get quieter later in the day21:00
jeblairwe could also strategically leave the 2pm hole empty in order to funnel more people to 27 or 521:00
sdagueso I don't know21:00
mordredjeblair: ++21:00
sdagueyeh, honestly, leaving the 2 slot empty seems reasonable21:00
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mordredalthough I really want to be in 27 and 521:01
mordredbut *shrug*21:01
mordredI think they're both in the right place21:01
mordredI'll just bounce between21:01
flaper87sdague: yeah but dunno, I don't like to make those assumptions21:01
ttxOK I'll need to drop21:01
flaper87we're done folks!21:01
jeblairttx: goodnight!21:01
ttxI added my constraints, in case you want to move things around21:01
flaper87Thank you all and sorry for all the mess21:01
sdagueok, so... we should inform all the proposers of their slots21:01
flaper87I think we did great :P21:01
sdaguebecause they might have conflicts21:01
mordredflaper87, sdague: ++21:02
sdagueso we can do last minute shuffle before stamping it good at tc meeting tomorrow21:02
sdagueflaper87: can you handle that, as it's almost daytime for you now :)21:02
flaper87sdague: yeah, mind doing that? An early email would be great and I won't be able to send one until later today21:02
ttxnice work, I think it's good content21:02
flaper87I'll do it21:02
sdagueflaper87: I'm done for the day :)21:02
flaper87Thank you all21:02
sdaguethanks folks21:02
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ttx#success We may have a cross-project track21:02
openstackstatusttx: Added success to Success page21:02
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jeblairmordred: i feel like you don't really need to mention that you're going to talk loud in the sessions21:03
sdagueonly mention if you won't21:03
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mordredsdague: :)21:05
mordredsdague: it looks like I'm basically just following you around21:05
* mordred rememers to pack his photo-album full of sdague heads21:07
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vkmc#startmeeting zaqar21:09
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'21:09
vkmc#topic Roll call21:10
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vkmchi everybody21:10
vkmcso this is kinda improvised and it will be probably a short meeting since I didn't got a notification from the PTL regarding their presence today21:10
Eva-iHello, hello21:11
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vkmcI'm aware we have some topics to discuss today though :)21:12
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vkmc#topic Zaqar UI for Horizon21:12
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vkmcexploreshaifali worked on creating some mockups for something we have been waiting for a while ago... the UI for Zaqar21:14
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vkmcprobably this effort will take some cycles to be concluded, but I'm really happy that exploreshaifali took the initiative and put this topic on the table21:14
vkmchi exploreshaifali!21:14
exploreshaifaliBP is also there, I am searching its link21:14
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vkmcany feedback about those mockups will be welcome, please share your thoughts on the thread whenever you have a moment to check those out21:15
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vkmcI myself have that in my todo list as well :)21:15
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vkmcthe next step exploreshaifali, would be to write an spec for Zaqar UI and submit it for review21:16
exploreshaifaliI will add stuff like what are pools and flavors but also I need some pointers what to add in "Testing" part21:16
vkmc#action exploreshaifali write an spec for Zaqar UI21:16
vkmcoh cool21:17
vkmcmakes sense21:17
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vkmcprobably we will need to consider adding some tests in the Horizon side21:17
exploreshaifalithis will be spec for horizon21:17
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exploreshaifaliand horizon only works on BP, they don't have spec like thing21:18
vkmcI think it would make more sense to have it in the Zaqar side21:18
vkmcso we can keep track of changes21:18
exploreshaifalisure sure, I am happy to do that!21:18
exploreshaifaliso first I will complete BP and than will start with zaqar spec21:18
vkmcand we also make clear the milestone we expect to have that feature and who will be working on that21:18
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vkmcso... you write the spec and to link the bp to it21:19
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exploreshaifaliokay, Thanks :)21:19
vkmcdoes that make sense?21:19
vkmcok awesome21:20
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vkmcany other comments on this? someone interested in giving exploreshaifali a hand? I dunno if she needs a hand, but I know its a big change so :)21:20
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vkmcno? ok, we will discuss this again for sure so we can revisit21:21
exploreshaifaliyes, it will be great to have a hand21:21
exploreshaifalino problem :)21:21
vkmcok, let's move to another topic21:21
vkmc*thanks a lot* exploreshaifali for working on this21:21
vkmc#topic Zaqar Docs21:22
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exploreshaifaliThanks You guys :)21:22
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vkmcthis has been a recurrent topic in our meetings... we have to improve docs21:22
vkmca few weeks ago we had a docs day21:22
vkmcbut everybody was busy because of the freeze21:22
Eva-iI have some thoughts about docs21:23
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vkmcand we couldn't have as many improvements as we would wish21:23
vkmcand yes, I was going to tackle that Eva-i21:23
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Eva-ilet me post a paste21:23
vkmcEva-i is an Outreachy applicant and she has been working on Zaqar for a couple of days already... and I'm happy to say that she already have some feedback for us regarding this21:24
vkmcsure, floor is yours Eva-i21:24
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Eva-iIt's a bit long though:
exploreshaifaliEva-i, good to know that! and welcome :)21:24
vkmcits ok Eva-i, thanks for writing it down21:24
Eva-iexploreshaifali: thank you, you're doing good job too21:24
* vkmc reads the paste21:25
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vkmcdry violations... totally agree21:26
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vkmcand other details... as well21:26
Eva-iMaybe we should keep zaqar development docs in one place and just provide links to it from other resources21:27
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Eva-i*to them21:27
vkmcyeah... we probably need to devote a couple of days only to improve docs21:27
vkmcas you mentioned earlier, the docs are there but they are spread in different locations21:28
vkmcand its generally a blocker for any newcomer trying to contribute to the project21:28
vkmcalso, I'd like to add that there is no documentation whatsoever about important features like pools and flavors21:28
jasondotstarhow about setting up a dev environment? i don't know if that's covered anywhere21:29
Eva-iMaybe we should keep development docs in
Eva-iAnd usage docs in wiki.21:29
vkmcgood question21:29
vkmcjasondotstar, ^21:29
vkmcthat was initially covered in the readme in the repo21:29
Eva-ijasondotstar: it's located here
jasondotstarEva-i: thx21:29
vkmcI think the wiki page is overloaded with information21:30
vkmcits hard to find things21:30
Eva-ivkmc: main wiki page?21:30
vkmcEva-i, ^21:31
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exploreshaifaliI think rather keeping usage and development docs separate, better to keep all information at one place and referring them from other21:31
exploreshaifaliand no doubt docs will be better because they are version controlled21:32
exploreshaifaliwe will have history as well21:32
vkmcit's a good point exploreshaifali21:32
vkmcwell, so we have some defined things to do21:33
Eva-iAlright, where we should keep information? I'm new to OpenStack and I don't really know difference between wiki* and docs*.21:33
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vkmcEva-i, that makes sense21:33
vkmcsorry if I'm going to fast heh21:33
vkmcso this docs live in our repo21:34
vkmcwhile the docs in the wiki doesn't21:34
exploreshaifalithey come from
vkmcexactly yes21:34
vkmcthose docs are generated with Sphinx21:34
vkmcI'd say that we make everything possible to place the docs regarding how to deploy Zaqar, API description, features description in our developers guide21:35
vkmcand we use the wiki for "extra" information21:35
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Eva-iI like the idea of exploreshaifali to have version controlled docs in one place21:36
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exploreshaifalimore better21:36
vkmclet's do the following... let's organize all our concerns about docs in this etherpad
exploreshaifaligreat thought vkmc :)21:36
vkmcwe probably can trace all the docs we have right now21:37
vkmcand try to sketch a new organization of docs there21:38
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Eva-ivkmc: what is "extra information" for you?21:38
vkmcEva-i, it's a good question21:39
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vkmcfor instance, information related to the meetings21:39
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vkmcwe have this subwiki with links to the past meetings and the meeting agenda for the next meeting, for instance21:39
vkmcbut that is not linked in the main wiki for Zaqar21:39
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vkmcat least, not at first sight21:40
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vkmcalso, links to past Zaqar presentations or blog posts21:40
vkmcall that information that is useful somehow, but certainly not something that you would include in a developers docs21:40
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Eva-iI'm thinking...21:41
exploreshaifalivkmc, we should think for zaqarclient doc21:41
vkmcoh as well... zaqarclient21:42
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vkmcand that reminds me: Zaqar use cases, Zaqar benchmarks21:42
vkmcthat is all for the wiki21:42
exploreshaifalilet me know if something I can help with21:42
vkmcsure exploreshaifali21:42
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vkmcyou can already help with putting in the etherpad what you think is wrong in the Zaqar docs right now21:43
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vkmcand we can start filing bugs and fixing them21:43
exploreshaifalisure sure21:43
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vkmccool, we can keep discussing this next week21:43
vkmcI'll add an action item for myself... to start checking the docs we have now and reorganize things21:44
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vkmc#action vkmc start checking the docs we have now and reorganize things21:44
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vkmc(hope I'm handling using the tag correctly)21:44
Eva-iLets write down in etherpad all possible article types and sort them to wiki categories21:44
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vkmcany other comment on this topic?21:44
vkmc(that means I support your comment)21:45
vkmcok, let's move on to another topic21:45
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vkmc#topic OpenStack Summit Design Sessions21:45
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vkmcwe have three proposed fishbowls/working sessions for the next summit21:46
vkmcif you are attending to the summit, I encourage that you propose a session for the design session21:47
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vkmcfor instance, this details we have been chatting about docs can be really fun to tackle in a working session21:47
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vkmcwe have new contributors to Zaqar, so maybe this is your first time participating in something like this and it can be scary at first21:48
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vkmcbut... if you have an idea, propose it, and I'd love to help you leading the session to discuss that idea21:48
* njohnston is a newb finds it a touch intimidating21:49
vkmcand I know flwang and flaper87 are willing to do the same for you21:49
vkmcnjohnston, I knew!21:49
exploreshaifaliso should I start one for Zaqar UI?21:49
vkmcit creeped the hell out of me the first time I drove a session like that21:49
vkmcbut... its really useful21:49
vkmcexploreshaifali, that's a great idea21:50
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exploreshaifalinot sure if it falls under horizon21:50
vkmcwe can invite some people from UX to give us their opinions21:50
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vkmcconsidering how the big tent model works, I'd say it falls under Zaqar21:50
exploreshaifaliyes, will be great21:50
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exploreshaifalialso we can include one session for doc, it time permits21:51
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vkmcwell, anyhow... just a reminder that we still have some slots available and that we are really interested on hearing your ideas to improve Zaqar21:51
vkmcexploreshaifali, sounds great21:51
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exploreshaifalicool, I am adding two new sessions, for docs and UI21:52
vkmcgreat, thanks exploreshaifali21:52
exploreshaifalinp :)21:52
vkmcok... last but not least21:52
vkmc#topic Open Discussion21:52
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exploreshaifaliI have one, zaqar cli implementation21:53
vkmcsure, shoot!21:53
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exploreshaifalias "flavor" term is overloaded in openstack one for nova and one for Zaqar21:53
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exploreshaifaliwe came up with solution of adding "message" before each and every command21:53
vkmcsomething like... openstack message flavor list21:54
vkmcfor the flavor listing endpoint?21:54
exploreshaifalikeeping old command(without message) working with a warning message21:54
exploreshaifalivkmc, yes21:54
exploreshaifalithis will be for all commands,not only for flavor21:54
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exploreshaifaliso on Mailing list, people liked this idea21:55
vkmchmm, seems like an overkill21:55
vkmcyeah, I was looking for that thread21:55
exploreshaifalibut I got one more comment to add "server" specifically for flavor command21:55
exploreshaifalinot sure if we need that or not21:56
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njohnstonI see the aesthetic positives of fully namespacing all zaqar CLI commands, but I wonder if it helps or hinders usability.21:56
vkmcyeah... I have the same feeling21:57
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vkmclike... I'm imagining how would the post message function would look like21:57
vkmcopenstack message message post21:57
njohnston^ +121:57
vkmcand can you use a hyphenated word?21:58
exploreshaifaliso I will post same on ML and let see what other have to say for this?21:58
vkmcopenstack pool-flavor create21:58
vkmcsomething like that21:58
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vkmcdoesn't sound very nice but... you don't need to deprecate all other endpoints in order to add this one21:59
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exploreshaifaliI did gave this option as well while first discussion on IRC, that time people liked message more21:59
vkmcok, we have one minute left21:59
vkmclet's continue this in the ML or in -zaqar channel :)21:59
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vkmcthanks everybody for joining today's meeting22:00
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vkmcgreat stuff discussed today!22:00
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vkmcexploreshaifali, Eva-i, njohnston o/22:00
njohnstongood evening all22:01
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ying_zuoHello everyone. I have a patch for Horizon needs review. Can someone please take a look? Thanks.23:31
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