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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizon | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 12:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:00 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 12:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 12:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:02 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:02 |
| masco | o/ | 12:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | looks like we can get rolling | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | First release topics | 12:03 |
| mrunge | o/ | 12:03 |
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| david-lyle | RC-2 is finalized and we haven't found a bug/fix serious enough to roll an RC-3 | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | so tomorrow we'll release RC-2 as the liberty version of Horizon | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | Great job everyone | 12:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yay us :) | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | I had a question, possibly release-note related | 12:05 |
| amotoki | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1415712 | 12:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1415712 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) ""Volumes" tab doesn't show up if cinder v1 isn't registered" [High,In progress] - Assigned to IWAMOTO Toshihiro (iwamoto) | 12:06 |
| amotoki | robcresswell: this one? | 12:06 |
| robcresswell | Yessir | 12:06 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151081/ | 12:06 |
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| robcresswell | I think Cinder v1 was deprecated in Kilo? It seems deployments with both v1 and v2 behave fine, but v2-only will have issues. This will likely be more prevalent in Liberty deployments. | 12:07 |
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| david-lyle | so cinder v1 was deprecated, but that clock has been reset, I believe | 12:07 |
| mrunge | it hits kilo deployments as well | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | python-cinderclient didn't fully support v2 until mid liberty | 12:08 |
| amotoki | it is a good candidate of backport, but I am not sure it is release blocking. I think we can backport it for 2015.2.1. | 12:08 |
| mrunge | 8.0.0 you mean? | 12:08 |
| robcresswell | Thats 8.1.0 now :p | 12:08 |
| amotoki | mrunge: yes. 2015.2.1 is a version of collection. | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | I think all of those should have checked for either not just v2 | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | there's no reason to bar v1 support | 12:09 |
| mrunge | yupp | 12:09 |
| amotoki | mrunge: 8.0.1 I think. | 12:09 |
| mrunge | amotoki, yes | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | it's not quite dead yet | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, that was my question in the comments | 12:09 |
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| robcresswell | Code-wise its fine, but I'm unsure of the deployment status | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | additionally if deployers chose to use volume as the endpoint type for volumev2, it still works | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | I'd like to see that fixed before we consider backporting | 12:10 |
| mrunge | at least we should have a note in release notes, right? | 12:11 |
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| david-lyle | that we require v1 | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | ? | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | If 'volume' can be either v1 or v2 | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | how do we differentiate | 12:11 |
| mrunge | I guess we should describe, what we require | 12:12 |
| mrunge | and that it can be different from cli | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Or do we only support v2, but it can be named 'volume' or 'volumev2' | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | this is one of the reasons for the service catalog cross-project session | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | creating a new endpoint type is just wrong | 12:13 |
| amotoki | agree | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | but we have to try to handle it as is | 12:13 |
| * david-lyle wonders if there is a version API | 12:13 | |
| david-lyle | for cinder | 12:13 |
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| david-lyle | this should be listed in a "Known Issues" section | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | that we require cinder v1 | 12:14 |
| robcresswell | Yes, I'll update the notes | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | thanks robcresswell | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | Also here | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1506036 | 12:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506036 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Horizon only supports a 'volumev2' endpoint" [Undecided,New] | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | For further discussion etc. | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | that patch hasn't merged yet BTW | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | wait I'm muddling my service names in that bug too | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | I think | 12:17 |
| robcresswell | ignore me. | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | I can pull out of gate | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | objections amotoki robcresswell? | 12:18 |
| amotoki | in my understanding, the patch itself is good. I don't think we need to pull it out. | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | or do we feel this is an incremental improvement? | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Personally, I feel its a step in the right direction. | 12:18 |
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| robcresswell | We just need to argue abit more over 'volume' | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | I think it's jumping the gun | 12:19 |
| amotoki | it makes horizon works only with cinder v2 API as long as volumev2 is used. | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | the problem atm is that you need volume and volumev2 I thought | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | yo ducttape_ you support cinder v2? and what is the endpoint type? | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | this patch makes it volumev2 only | 12:19 |
| mrunge | yupp, we're using it that way | 12:20 |
| ducttape_ | I'd have to look if we have it, lemme check | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: thanks | 12:20 |
| amotoki | ducttape_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151081 is the review we discussed. | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | Do we officially support v1? I thought we dropped that | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | I think there were several problems with cinder v2 support across other projects and SDKs | 12:21 |
| mrunge | so, puppet-modules currently deploy 2 endpoints for cinder, volume and volumev2 | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | which is why I believe the clock was reset on deprecation | 12:21 |
| amotoki | there was a mailing thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/thread.html#75934 | 12:22 |
| amotoki | it is marked as deprecated (for future removal) but cinder team seems have no plan to drop it soon. | 12:22 |
| ducttape_ | we have vol 1 and 2 deployed | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: ok, good, thanks, we won't be breaking you today then, at least that way | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | the day is young | 12:23 |
| ducttape_ | no, it will be in another way | 12:23 |
| ducttape_ | indeed | 12:23 |
| ducttape_ | why the rush to dump the old vol1 stuff? | 12:24 |
| * ducttape_ reads scroll back logs | 12:24 | |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: misuse of the term deprecated | 12:25 |
| amotoki | it loosk similar of kyestone v2 deprecation :-( | 12:25 |
| amotoki | *simiar to* | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | yes | 12:25 |
| mrunge | but keystone just uses a single endpoint | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | which is better | 12:26 |
| mrunge | and some magic inside client | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | and provides a version API | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | so we have a fighting chance | 12:26 |
| tsufiev | but we still define keystone version to be used by Horizon in 2 places :) | 12:27 |
| tsufiev | there is a room for improvement as well | 12:27 |
| * ducttape_ thinks if this is similar to keystone v2, then I'd expect everyone to still use v1 for the next 10 years | 12:27 | |
| tsufiev | I mean OPENSTACK_KEYSTONE_URL and OPENSTACK_API_VERSIONS | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: preferred version, but we work with either | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | and the OPENSTACK_KEYSTONE_URL doesn't need to have the version | 12:28 |
| ducttape_ | it just does, b/c thats the convention w keystone, right? | 12:29 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I suspect that will fail w/o version prefix, but need to recheck that | 12:29 |
| tsufiev | s/prefix/suffix/ | 12:29 |
| * david-lyle wonders where we are now and if we can see the main thread from here | 12:29 | |
| mrunge | tsufiev, there is some automagic in place | 12:29 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, sorry for leading the discussion away | 12:30 |
| mrunge | iirc, it works in all ways, /me tried a few weeks back | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: yes | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | we just haven't changed our default | 12:30 |
| robcresswell | FYI, I updated the release notes in the wiki, and the in-tree patch. | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: thanks | 12:30 |
| ducttape_ | I'd think the important part right now is to find out if nova runs ok with no v1 endpoint type. I would expect nova to have some strange bug if no v1 was present | 12:31 |
| * david-lyle still contemplating blocking the v1 removal patch | 12:31 | |
| david-lyle | I know enabling v2 as the default in devstack created all sorts of problems | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | If we're unsure still, block it. It's not incredibly urgent is it? | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | done | 12:32 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, I recall I got 404 w/o version suffix, but that may have been in some older version, like Juno... | 12:32 |
| tsufiev | anyways, will look again at master branch behavior | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | so anyway RC-2 is finalized | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | now all mitaka all the time | 12:33 |
| robcresswell | awesome | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | #topic finalizing summit sessions | 12:34 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-mitaka-summit | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | the topic list is at the bottom unless we have last minute changes, I will be posting those today or tomorrow | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | additionally Ceilometer has invited us to a fishbowl session Wed | 12:36 |
| * david-lyle checking on time again | 12:36 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | "beer and pytest" is still there. I'm happy to extoll the virtues of pytest, of course, but I think it's not very sensible to consider replacing our current test suite ;) | 12:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mind you, I can see keystone running over ;) | 12:37 |
| doug-fish | I'm a bit uncertain of our plan for the Wed 5:30 work session | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | wed 12:05 around the poor state of ceilometer view in horizon and what we can do about it | 12:37 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, will pytest work w/o beer :)? | 12:37 |
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| ducttape_ | I'd like to see who is working on what panels. I see a lot of re-work on panels that are not very important / used much | 12:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: actually, it does, and unittest drives me to beer, so it's a win-win! | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | hmm hadn't notice the pytest bit | 12:38 |
| robcresswell | I'm interested in hearing more about which panels are used the most by various deployers :p | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, ok, got it 0 | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: +1 | 12:38 |
| ducttape_ | anything admin is less used, vs the project / _memeber_ panels | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | and the improvements from a rewrite are at best negligible | 12:39 |
| ducttape_ | nova / networking / swift are used more.... then stuff like glance cinder etc are used less (within the project panels) | 12:39 |
| robcresswell | Interesting | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | it will be a good follow on to wed 5:30 and can segue into mitaka priorities? | 12:40 |
| ducttape_ | keystone / id is kind of sometimes used - but not day to day / all the time | 12:40 |
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| david-lyle | any pytest discussion would be better for Fri | 12:42 |
| david-lyle | any other concerns? | 12:42 |
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| david-lyle | ok, doug-fish is on the hook for social arrangements | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | IIRC | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | my suggestion is that we meet here: http://www.princehotels.com/en/shinagawa/top-of-shinagawa | 12:43 |
| doug-fish | at about 8pm, after the women of openstack thing | 12:44 |
| amotoki | on monday? | 12:44 |
| doug-fish | oh yes, on monday | 12:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I might even make it, if you kick off at 8pm. my hotel's a 30 minute walk from there IIRC | 12:44 |
| mrunge | I might be a bit late then | 12:45 |
| amotoki | If it is full, perhaps i can help finding a place. | 12:45 |
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| doug-fish | amotoki: that would be outstanding! | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: any suggestions are welcome | 12:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ amotoki | 12:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | my hotel is more like 40 minutes from there :/ | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | we're just choosing blindly at this point | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | 40 minutes? staying at the airport? | 12:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: don't ask | 12:46 |
| doug-fish | amotoki: do you think planning a different location is wise? | 12:46 |
| amotoki | :) | 12:46 |
| * david-lyle really wants to ask | 12:46 | |
| robcresswell | :( | 12:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: Rackspace "organisation" strikes again | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | ah | 12:47 |
| amotoki | I think more of us will stay near Shinagawa, so it is a good choice. | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | yes | 12:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | actually, I can metro to take ~25 minutes off that | 12:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so that's good | 12:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes, definintely center on Shinagawa | 12:47 |
| amotoki | Another option is to go Japanese bar (or more casual than usual bar) but it might be difficult to reach.. | 12:48 |
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| doug-fish | amotoki: more casual does seem suitable for our group | 12:49 |
| doug-fish | do you mean that it's too far to walk? | 12:50 |
| mrunge | amotoki, I think you'll have all our ears and eyes, meaning we'll probably trust you blindly ;-) | 12:50 |
| amotoki | about how many folks are interested in the meetup? | 12:50 |
| * mrunge interested | 12:50 | |
| tsufiev | yeah, +1 for more casual | 12:50 |
| doug-fish | \o | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 12:50 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:50 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:50 |
| fnordahl | o/ | 12:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I definitely arrive too late to make it to Shinagawa for drinks, so I'll catch you folks on the Tuesday | 12:50 |
| amotoki | 10~15 people? | 12:50 |
| fnordahl | (i know it's a bit rude to come into the meeting when discussing drinks, but would like to join if I may :-) ) | 12:51 |
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| david-lyle | fnordahl: all are welcome | 12:51 |
| robcresswell | amotoki: Probably more like 15/20, this tz meeting tends to miss a lot of people | 12:51 |
| doug-fish | fnordahl: of course! | 12:51 |
| r1chardj0n3s | fnordahl: I dunno about you, but it's 10 to midnight here and I'm about to finish my whiskey ;) | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | informal face to face before the summit | 12:51 |
| fnordahl | r1chardj0n3s: lol | 12:51 |
| amotoki | perhaps i can try to look for a place early next week or this weekend. | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | let's add to the etherpad the tentative plan and amotoki please update with improved suggestion | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | amotoki: That would be excellent! | 12:52 |
| doug-fish | amotoki: thank you | 12:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | amotoki: places to converge on to have lunch might be appreciated, to save us wandering around aimlessly? | 12:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I remember a lot of aimless wandering in Vancouver, which wasted valuable lunch time :/ | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | oh wait | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | #topic | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | argh | 12:53 |
| amotoki | you can use #undo | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | #undo | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Bug Report | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport | 12:54 |
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| robcresswell | Woop. So I dropped the searchlight panel from the bps, as all patches are either -1 Jenkins or merge conflicts -.- | 12:54 |
| robcresswell | THe others bps have active patches (especially Images table, has about 8 in a chain, all passing) | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: searchlight content is external for now | 12:55 |
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| robcresswell | As for the bugs, they are all carry overs from rc-potential. | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | makes sense | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | thanks robcresswell | 12:56 |
| robcresswell | The two high bugs specifically, have patches that could be looked at. | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | potential suggestion | 12:56 |
| * david-lyle pushes his luck | 12:56 | |
| robcresswell | ha, go ahead | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | number of new bugs/new blueprints/closed bugs/closed bps ? | 12:57 |
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| robcresswell | As in totals week on week? | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | the first two more than the latter two | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | yeah, not imperative though | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | just a thought | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | Sure, I'll have a look at collating it | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | not sure how easy launchpad would make such a thing | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | guess not very | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | As always, if you have chance to do a handful of reviews this week, please look at the bug report so we can focus on moving a few things forward. Thanks! | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | thanks robcresswell | 12:58 |
| mrunge | has launchpad an api? | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: yes | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: Yes, but not a useful one. | 12:58 |
| mrunge | yay and boo! | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | I think that brings us to time | 12:59 |
| amotoki | in neutron, armando retrieves a bug list and convert it to Google spreadsheet for better filtiring. | 13:00 |
| amotoki | it is not a best way thouth. | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | we'll have the Horizon Driver's meeting later today to continue to sort through the blueprint backlog | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | 2000UTC | 13:00 |
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| david-lyle | same channel for all interested | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: anything has to be better than launchpad | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | :) | 13:00 |
| robcresswell | I've put up a potential list for drivers meeting btw. | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 13:01:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-10-14-12.00.html | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-10-14-12.00.txt | 13:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-10-14-12.00.log.html | 13:01 |
| masco | bye | 13:01 |
| fnordahl | thx guys | 13:01 |
| amotoki | thanks bye | 13:01 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 15:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | role call | 15:00 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 0/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| tsv | 0/ | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:00 |
| mroderus | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | give it a minute or two | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | we only have one agenda topic listed | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | 1. Fujitsu: | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Â Â Â a. paging issue for monasca-api | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | If anyone else has anthing to add please doo | 15:01 |
| witek | Tomasz wanted to bring it up, but i don't see him :( | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | last week we were completely booked | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Here is the link, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | i think i saw some reviews for the paging issue | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | is thing something that we just need to get some reviers looking at, or is it something else | 15:02 |
| mroderus | I think it's a bigger issue | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | ohhh | 15:03 |
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| mroderus | not really an "issue", rather an extension | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | so, basically new features | 15:03 |
| mroderus | yes | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | do you want to try and discuss now or wait until tomasz is available | 15:03 |
| mroderus | one use case in which it came up was when one wants to sort the alarms on the Horizon page, e.g. by severity | 15:04 |
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| mroderus | I think that makes sense | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | absolutely | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | we've had similar discussion here | 15:04 |
| mroderus | I just remember that Tomasz mentioned that an API change would be necessary to get this sorting feature on the UI | 15:04 |
| mroderus | ok | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | right now we can only filter on certain fields, like severity, but we can't order by | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | so, if you wanted to page through your alarm ordered by state and severity, you can't really do that | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think that would be extremely useful | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | currently, we are doing client side processing | 15:05 |
| mroderus | have you ever discussed that before? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | but that implies brining in the entire list | 15:05 |
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| mroderus | yes, that's the problem I guess | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | we have just had some discussion on the hp team locally | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | nothing to detailed | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | our ui/ux team has had some requests in this area | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | but we aren't working on them yet | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i think we are all in agreement that this would be extremely useful | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | the only problem is getting resources to address it | 15:07 |
| mroderus | ok.. on the Fujitsu side, this topic is not urgent. But I think that at some point we will start working on it | 15:07 |
| mroderus | yes, I know this problem :) | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | ok, whoever gets to it first can do it | 15:07 |
| mroderus | yes | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think it is a difficult area | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | and is probably low hanging fruit | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | easy to add, with a big benefit | 15:08 |
| mroderus | that sounds good | 15:08 |
| mroderus | I guess that's all I can say to it. Tomasz knows the details | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | how about we move on then | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | no one has added more agenda topics | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i think discussing status would be good | 15:09 |
| mroderus | If you like, you can give us a status update on your work at HP on the logging stuff | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:09 |
| mroderus | I remember that TSV wanted to start looking into it in September or October or so | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | yes, i think we are starting to free up | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | our original dates got pushed out | 15:10 |
| mroderus | same thing on our side | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | so in another week or two i think we'll be available to start working on the logging stuff again | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | so, let's say after the tokyo summit | 15:10 |
| mroderus | sounds great | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | to be safe | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | we are really incented to get this work completed | 15:11 |
| mroderus | we can also discuss more about that in Tokyo.. split up work etc. | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | so i think you'll see a very strong commitment from hp in this area | 15:11 |
| mroderus | ok, great | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | sure, yest we can discuss in tokyo | 15:12 |
| mroderus | will TSV be there? | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | tsv won't be going as it turns out, but we'll have another representative from teh logging team | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so we'll have enough representation | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | has anyone looked at devstack | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | or the Tempest tests | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | the tempest tests have been up for review for a while | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | i would like to get them merged | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | if folks can at least take a quick look and +1 taht would help | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | if not, we'll probably get them merged real soon anyway | 15:14 |
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| tsv | mroderus, will start looking at this from next week. I will not be there for the summit but would like to be involved in any mail/chat discussions if possible. thanks | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | thansk tsv | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | you'll be involved in everything of-course | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | Here is the review for the Tempest Test, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228122/ | 15:15 |
| mroderus | tsv: sounds good. we'll surely involve you in the discussions | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | there are of-course lot's of enhancements to continue to add | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | but i think it is in reasonable state to merge | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | then it will be much easier to collaborate with others on with | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully, the overall organization and framework seems reasonable to folks, although much of this was dictated by the conventions that had already been put in place | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | There is also a README at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228122/23/monasca_tempest_tests/README.md, that descriebs how to run them | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | using the monasca vagrant environment | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | it should be really easy to run them | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | but if anyone has any issues please let me know | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | Devstack is also getting in good shape | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | However, I've been trying to use the Monasca Devstack with a Vagrant virtualbox vm, and hitting an issue | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | Everything is working for Deklan pergectly though | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | but he was smart enough to build his own VM from scratch | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | and i'm too stubborn to do that | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, it is very easy to get started with DevStack | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | you'll need to use a ubuntu trusty os | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | There is a nice README at, https://github.com/stackforge/monasca-api/tree/master/devstack, that describes the variables to set | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | We've been potentially discussing if the monasca devstack works whether it will maek sense to continue with the monasca-vagrant environment | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | so, that is a potential topic for the future | 15:21 |
| mroderus | how many environments do we have at the moment? DevStack, Vagrant and Docker? | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | yes, i think that is all | 15:22 |
| mroderus | ok | 15:22 |
| bklei | \o | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | so, unless questions on tempest and devstack let's move on | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | Are there any reviews that folks are pushing to get reviewed? | 15:23 |
| bklei | i'd like to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234266/ get merged.. | 15:24 |
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| bklei | monasca-api change (Check entire set of value_meta key/value pairs for length) | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | deklan did you take a look at that one | 15:24 |
| ddieterly | i take a look at it today | 15:24 |
| bklei | gracias | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | i looked at it and it looks fine to me | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | i guess i didn't +1 | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | but i will soon | 15:25 |
| bklei | thx -- we expanded our db today for value_meta to 8192 | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | in production? | 15:25 |
| bklei | yup | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | how did that go? | 15:25 |
| bklei | no issues! | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | awesome | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | thanks for doing that | 15:26 |
| bklei | now we can bring in new monasca-agent with all the goodness libvirt fixes next week | 15:26 |
| bklei | np | 15:26 |
| witek | :) | 15:26 |
| bmotz | I'd quite like to progress https://review.openstack.org/228975 (or equivalent) as I'm otherwise I'm maintaining an internal fork | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz left some comments | 15:27 |
| bmotz | but he was overall happy with it | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i'll take another look and get some eye on it here | 15:28 |
| bmotz | great, thanks | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | i don't see any issues with it | 15:28 |
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| ddieterly | if someone could +2 this that would be great https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234464/ | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth | i just +1'd | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | straight-forward fix | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | if others agree, please +1 or +2 | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | looks like a simple fix that will address some lingering issues in the python api | 15:30 |
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| ddieterly | yea, measurements list does not work in python api without this fix | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | so, did this work at one point, and then influxdb broke us | 15:31 |
| ddieterly | this problem was not discovered because the python api was developed using the java persister | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | ohhh, yeah i recall now | 15:32 |
| ddieterly | now that devstack is up and running, we can have both python persister and python api running at same time | 15:32 |
| ddieterly | some incompatibilities were exposed | 15:32 |
| bklei | ddieterly: let me know if my response to your comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234252/ doesn't make sense | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | so, that is also worth pointing out with the devstack is that there is an easy way to select either the jave or python components | 15:33 |
| ddieterly | bklei: ok | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | yes, the goal is to test for an upper bound | 15:34 |
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| ddieterly | i think we need to determine the actual encoding of the chars in vertica | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think it is worth converting the value meta to UTF32 and then testing for an exact fit | 15:35 |
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| bklei | the vertica support folks indicated UTF-16, but roland found some links that seemed to imply it could end up being UTF32 | 15:35 |
| bklei | just being safe | 15:35 |
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| bklei | (other reviews roland has up do X4) | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, i think you are correct on the utf16 | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | but that still means it can be 4 bytes | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | similar to how utf16 can either be 1, 2, 3 or 4 bytes | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | well, maybe not 1 | 15:36 |
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| bklei | gotcha, then as a rule i agree with chars X 4 for safety | 15:36 |
| ddieterly | also, does the varchar(n) specify chars or bytes? | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | varchar is bytes | 15:37 |
| bklei | right | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | that is what the document says | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | should have been varbytes | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:37 |
| bklei | lol | 15:37 |
| ddieterly | that does not seem right to me | 15:37 |
| ddieterly | sorry | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | what doesn't seem right? | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | that varchar is bytes? | 15:38 |
| ddieterly | if i say varchar(1), and i stick a 2 byte char in there, then it would blow up? | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | that is my understanding | 15:38 |
| ddieterly | doesn't that seem counterintuitive? | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | https://my.vertica.com/docs/5.0/HTML/Master/1231.htm | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | sorry old link | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | The maximum length parameter for VARCHAR and CHAR data type refers to the number of octets that can be stored in that field and not number of characters. | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | that is a quote | 15:39 |
| ddieterly | well, if that is what is says... | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | When using multibyte UTF-8 characters, the fields must be sized to accommodate from 1 to 4 octets per character, depending on the data. | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | that is another quote | 15:39 |
| ddieterly | those whacky vertica folks | 15:40 |
| bklei | hey man -- your company | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | There si also the review i submitted at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231741/ | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | i need to address tomasz comment | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | but it is a similar change | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | but in the persister | 15:41 |
| bklei | I'll +1 that when you add comment as to why x4 | 15:42 |
| bklei | but agree with the change | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | i think i'll just introduce a static var with a good name | 15:43 |
| bklei | cool | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | so unless more reviews to talk about | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | we can move on | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | i was wondering about grafana 2.0 support | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | has that progressed further? | 15:43 |
| bklei | rbak: you here? | 15:43 |
| rbak | yep, sorry | 15:44 |
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| rbak | I'm finally getting some time to actually work on grafana, but I don't have a whole lot to give an update on | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | sounds goo | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | do you think you'll be able to make some progress over the next few weeks then? | 15:45 |
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| rbak | Yeah, definitely | 15:46 |
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| mroderus | does it make sense to start talking to the Grafana project at this state or should we wait till we've implemented our changes and then try to get our changes merged? | 15:46 |
| rbak | I would wait | 15:46 |
| mroderus | ok | 15:46 |
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| rbak | It shouldn't take too long as long as I can focus some time on it | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i've run out of topics | 15:47 |
| ddieterly | i have a question | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | #questions | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | #topic questions | 15:48 |
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| ddieterly | is anyone trying to run the python code? | 15:48 |
| bklei | not yet at twc | 15:48 |
| ddieterly | i've found 3 bugs that would prevent the api from working | 15:48 |
| ddieterly | bmotz: aren't you doing something with the python? | 15:49 |
| ddieterly | crickets out there | 15:49 |
| ddieterly | well, that's all i got ;-) | 15:50 |
| bklei | one question for rhochmuth -- any progress on caching in api? | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | no progress | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | sorry | 15:50 |
| bklei | ok -- i hope to make https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221492/ more comprehensive -- this week | 15:50 |
| bklei | (avoiding multiple inner joins) | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:50 |
| ddieterly | bklei: sweet! | 15:51 |
| bklei | starting weekly meetings with vertica folks -- they're pushing back on that, caching, etc. | 15:51 |
| ddieterly | bklei: we eagerly await your submission for review ;-) | 15:51 |
| bklei | as for VER-40005 -- that fix is a lon way out | 15:51 |
| bklei | :) | 15:51 |
| bklei | s/lon/long | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | InfluxDB is claiming 300K metrics per seconds | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | See, https://influxdb.com/blog/2015/10/07/the_new_influxdb_storage_engine_a_time_structured_merge_tree.html | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | Time Structured Merge Tree or TSM Tree for short | 15:52 |
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| bklei | would like to see if that's really true and the cluster stays up/stable | 15:53 |
| bklei | but promising | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | Yes, I agree | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | Sounds like they are making progress though | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | Anyway, it is an interesting read | 15:54 |
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| bklei | i wonder if that's another complete re-write | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | ok, time is winding down | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | should we adjourn? | 15:55 |
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| bklei | +1 | 15:55 |
| bmotz | whoops, sorry - missed that | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | hold-on | 15:56 |
| bmotz | I've been evaluating the python API, but not using it in anger | 15:56 |
| bmotz | (in answer to ddieterly's question) | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | thanks bmotz | 15:56 |
| ddieterly | bmotz: what's 'anger'? | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | ddieterly has made some recent changes | 15:56 |
| bmotz | a real deployment | 15:57 |
| bmotz | I found quite a few bugs using it casually, so didn't want to go further until tempest tests, etc, were in place | 15:57 |
| bmotz | and there was some confidence around it | 15:57 |
| ddieterly | i see | 15:58 |
| ddieterly | we'll be getting it into shape more now | 15:58 |
| bmotz | sounds good | 15:58 |
| ddieterly | i'm fixing more bugs today | 15:58 |
| bmotz | great :) | 15:58 |
| bklei | ddieterly: vertica support in python? | 15:58 |
| ddieterly | lol, no | 15:58 |
| bklei | is helion going to switch to python? | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | that is the goal | 15:59 |
| ddieterly | that is the long-term goal | 15:59 |
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| bklei | cool | 15:59 |
| ddieterly | does vertica have python drivers? | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | so, our focus will start to transition | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | ok, winding down | 15:59 |
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| bklei | can research ddieterly | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | by everyone | 16:00 |
| bklei | thx roland | 16:00 |
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| ddieterly | ciao | 16:00 |
| mroderus | thanks, bye! | 16:00 |
| Kamil___ | Bye | 16:00 |
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| witek | bye | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| bmotz | bye | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 16:00:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-10-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-10-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-10-14-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 16:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 16:01 |
| acabot | hi everyone | 16:01 |
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| jwcroppe | Hello | 16:01 |
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| tpeoples | hey | 16:01 |
| acabot | our agenda for today is available https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#10.2F14.2F2015_Agenda: | 16:01 |
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| sballe | o/ | 16:02 |
| jed56 | o/ | 16:02 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 16:02 |
| acabot | ok lets start | 16:02 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| acabot | just to let you know about the "success" hashtag | 16:03 |
| acabot | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076552.html | 16:03 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: cool, I like it | 16:03 |
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| acabot | it could be great to share stuff around watcher | 16:03 |
| vmahe_ | Hi everyone | 16:04 |
| sballe | sure but shouldn;t we annouce it on the mailing list first? | 16:04 |
| sballe | vmahe_: hi | 16:04 |
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| jwcroppe | sballe: +1 | 16:04 |
| acabot | sballe: yes lets discuss this point on the mailing list topic | 16:05 |
| acabot | any other announcement from the team ? | 16:05 |
| sballe | cool! | 16:05 |
| jwcroppe | IMO, we need to get our email out early next week - is it possible to have a first draft that we can review by end of business on France Fri? then we can all review and send out next week? | 16:05 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: +1000 | 16:06 |
| acabot | ok I will jump to the mailing list topic ;-) | 16:06 |
| acabot | #topic mailing list | 16:06 |
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| acabot | I wrote down a first draft on etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-mailing | 16:07 |
| sballe | acabot: you mean email t mailing list right? | 16:07 |
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| acabot | sballe: sorry I mean write an email to openstack-dev to announce Watcher | 16:07 |
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| sballe | acabot: we should take the vision and mission statement and add it in. Also listing a ouple of the sue cases would be useful | 16:08 |
| acabot | I think it must be very concise but feel free to update | 16:08 |
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| tpeoples | i agree with sballe, i think it needs a bit more. from an outsider's point of view i don't think i'd really grok what the project aims to do and would have to go look at the wiki | 16:09 |
| acabot | sballe: dont you think people will jump on the wiki page ? | 16:09 |
| sballe | I found an example of email describing a new project | 16:09 |
| acabot | sballe: great, can you copy paste on the etherpad ? | 16:10 |
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| sballe | done | 16:10 |
| sballe | acabot: peple will only go to the wiki if it catch their interest and that is why we need the mission and vision statement | 16:11 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 16:11 |
| acabot | ok I looked at this one already but it is really infra related, not sure we can derive from it | 16:11 |
| jed56 | +1 | 16:11 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: I agree, let's fit the mission statement in there somehow and then give a few reference pointers on where to look for more info and how to get involved | 16:12 |
| sballe | I can take a stab at a second version of the email. | 16:12 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: which means I guess we need a 'Getting Involved' wiki section :) | 16:12 |
| sballe | Will do that after the meeting | 16:12 |
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| sballe | jwcroppe: +1 | 16:13 |
| acabot | sballe: ok great, I will review it tomorrow | 16:13 |
| acabot | thx | 16:13 |
| sballe | cool thx | 16:13 |
| acabot | when should we send it, on friday ? | 16:13 |
| tpeoples | i'll get some feedback from people that have no knowledge of watcher too to see if the updated mail would interest them | 16:14 |
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| sballe | +1 | 16:14 |
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| acabot | +1 | 16:14 |
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| jwcroppe | let's try to get this sent out by Wed/Thurs next week? | 16:15 |
| sballe | agreed. | 16:15 |
| acabot | agreed | 16:15 |
| jwcroppe | cool | 16:16 |
| acabot | #topic Tokyo Agenda | 16:16 |
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| acabot | we need to define meeting times in Tokyo | 16:16 |
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| sballe | does anybody know if there will be pods where people can meet unconfernced | 16:17 |
| jwcroppe | Yes, we should try to schedule a couple 2-hour blocks at least across 2 (maybe 3 days) | 16:17 |
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| jwcroppe | (this is for inter-team comm) | 16:17 |
| acabot | +1 | 16:18 |
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| jed56 | +1 | 16:18 |
| sballe | I would like to suggest we setup a GroupMe group in the app on our smart phone. We have used taht very successfully in the LBaaS team to keep each otehr in sync and t find each other at openstack summit | 16:18 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: +1 | 16:18 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: I like that idea | 16:19 |
| acabot | ok lets do it with groupme | 16:19 |
| acabot | #action acabot create a groupme account for Watcher team | 16:19 |
| sballe | it is not an account for watcher. I can do it right now and invite oyu all | 16:20 |
| acabot | sballe: ok if you want | 16:20 |
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| sballe | working on it as we speak/type ;-) | 16:20 |
| acabot | ok do you want to fix the 2 hours blocks now ? | 16:21 |
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| acabot | or we will decide first time we met in Tokyo ? | 16:21 |
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| tpeoples | i can't find anything online regarding private meeting rooms - only private rooms for companys to buy | 16:22 |
| jwcroppe | tpeoples: right, we will just need to find a place to hang out | 16:22 |
| acabot | tpeoples: we will do it in the lobby ;-) | 16:22 |
| sballe | or we can sit in the lunch area | 16:23 |
| acabot | tpeoples: I think the restaurant is always open for meetings | 16:23 |
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| sballe | yes | 16:24 |
| acabot | ok do you want to freeze meeting times now or you dont have your agenda up-to-date ? | 16:24 |
| jwcroppe | let's maybe do Tue afternoon for first meeting? | 16:24 |
| jwcroppe | we can communicate via group me and figure out where? | 16:25 |
| sballe | I would suggest we get together on Monday and coordinate. We can get ahold f each other through Groupme | 16:25 |
| acabot | could we start at 1pm on tuesday (right after the lunch) ? | 16:25 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: I sent you an invite to the group | 16:25 |
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| jwcroppe | gmail account? | 16:26 |
| acabot | ok lets do it on groupme then | 16:26 |
| sballe | acabot: I need to look at the agenda before I can commit | 16:26 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: yes from my gmail sleipnir012@gmail.com | 16:26 |
| acabot | what about the unconference session ? | 16:26 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: did you use my gmail account for the invite? | 16:26 |
| sballe | no your ibm email | 16:27 |
| jwcroppe | ok | 16:27 |
| sballe | give me your gmail and I can invite you there too | 16:27 |
| jwcroppe | cropper.joe@gmail.com | 16:27 |
| tpeoples | peoples.taylor@gmail.com if you don't mind sballe | 16:27 |
| jed56 | jedartois@gmail.com | 16:28 |
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| acabot | antoinecabot (at) gmail | 16:28 |
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| sballe | ok I will add you guys after this meeting :-) | 16:29 |
| acabot | should we add a section about Watcher is this page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads and add an unconference session ? | 16:29 |
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| jwcroppe | let's pick our first meeting time next week for the summit | 16:30 |
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| jwcroppe | I think Tue afternoon makes sense, but we can close on that time next week after folks review their schedules | 16:31 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: +1 | 16:31 |
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| jwcroppe | ok, great | 16:32 |
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| acabot | sballe: what about the unconference session ? any update on this ? thx | 16:33 |
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| sballe | jwcroppe: seems to have experience with unconference sessions. I have done a session in the pods and just announed it | 16:33 |
| sballe | if I forgot somebody in GroupMe you should be able to invite them as well. I invite Jean-Emile, Taylor, Joe and Antoine | 16:35 |
| sballe | We can also invite people who are not at the confernce but want to know what is going on | 16:35 |
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| acabot | sballe: where should we announce it ? | 16:39 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: unconference from what perspective? I think we could go to an unconference session of various projects just to raise awareness | 16:39 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: we probably wouldn't have our 'own' since watcher won't yet have its own meeting rooms | 16:39 |
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| sballe | jwcroppe: it is my understanding that there ae some white boards setup where people can put their talk in for a given slot. Thta is what I talk about when I talk about unconference sessions | 16:40 |
| sballe | acabot: I just announced my ad-hoc session on the mailing list | 16:41 |
| sballe | Maybe we should add that to the email we will be sending out to the list .e. that we plan to have an unconfernced session at the summit | 16:41 |
| tpeoples | sounds like a good idea | 16:42 |
| sballe | I added a note to the etherpad about this | 16:43 |
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| sballe | next topic? | 16:45 |
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| tpeoples | yeah | 16:46 |
| tpeoples | did we lose everyone? acabot? | 16:47 |
| sballe | I think so... | 16:47 |
| sballe | did you get the invite to groupme? | 16:48 |
| tpeoples | hasn't come through yet | 16:48 |
| tpeoples | via email or via the app | 16:48 |
| jed56 | I'm here but it seem's that acabot is not | 16:48 |
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| tpeoples | heh | 16:49 |
| tpeoples | jwcroppe: are you still there? | 16:49 |
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| tpeoples | jed56: looks like you have a patch up for getting a watcher specs repo? | 16:50 |
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| jed56 | yes, I asked the creation of watcher-specs | 16:50 |
| sballe | tpeoples: should have gone to your gmail email | 16:51 |
| jed56 | it seem's the server IRC is rebooting | 16:51 |
| jed56 | that | 16:51 |
| tpeoples | hmm, something funky going on with irc | 16:51 |
| sballe | same for jeblair | 16:51 |
| sballe | same for jed56 | 16:51 |
| jed56 | it's weird | 16:52 |
| sballe | can you guys see what I am typing? | 16:52 |
| tpeoples | yeah | 16:52 |
| jed56 | ye | 16:52 |
| jed56 | yes | 16:52 |
| jed56 | So for the creation of watcher-specs. I'm waiting for a code review | 16:53 |
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| dtardivel | tpeoples: after talking with infra team, we are creating the repo watcher-specs into openstack namespace | 16:53 |
| dtardivel | we're waiting for +2 | 16:54 |
| tpeoples | ok cool | 16:54 |
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| sballe | ok I am back now | 16:55 |
| sballe | dtardivel: +1 | 16:55 |
| dtardivel | we're creating also another watcher-tools repo on github. we will push on it ansible playbook, docker-compose template files ... | 16:55 |
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| tpeoples | so for CI related stuff dtardivel? | 16:56 |
| tpeoples | welcome back acabot | 16:56 |
| dtardivel | we did not plan to integrate it on openstack namespace | 16:56 |
| acabot | thx | 16:56 |
| acabot | I have to close the meeting in 3 minutes, anything to add ? | 16:57 |
| sballe | I have a tpic for open discussion | 16:57 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: for testing and for quick demo | 16:57 |
| acabot | #topic open discussions | 16:58 |
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| acabot | anything to add ? | 16:58 |
| sballe | We have a team that is working on TAP an analytc platform that it would be nice to have integrated with watcher for some cases. The team wants to give a demo to this team | 16:58 |
| sballe | would 10/19 wok? | 16:59 |
| sballe | we can conitnue the discusion in our normal channel | 16:59 |
| acabot | ok lets move to openstack-watcher | 16:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 16:59:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-10-14-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-10-14-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-10-14-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| vishwanathj | hello | 18:31 |
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| vishwanathj | sc68cal, is there a fwaas meeting today? | 18:32 |
| badveli | looks like there is meeting agenda | 18:32 |
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| sc68cal | vishwanathj: yes, in a couple hours | 18:39 |
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| vishwanathj | sc68cal, I thought this week wednesday it was in the afternoon, maybe I got that wrong OR has the schedule changed? | 18:47 |
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| sc68cal | vishwanathj: last weeks was the 1830UTC one, this week is the 0000 UTC one | 18:48 |
| vishwanathj | sc68cal, thanks | 18:49 |
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| david-lyle_ | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 20:02:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:02 |
| david-lyle_ | #chair david-lyle | 20:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: david-lyle david-lyle_ | 20:02 |
| david-lyle_ | #chair robcresswell | 20:02 |
| mrunge | o/ | 20:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: david-lyle david-lyle_ robcresswell | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | In case of internet? | 20:02 |
| david-lyle_ | yeah | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle_ | coming from two computers now, hopefully it won't be necessary | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:03 |
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| mrunge | two handed chatting? | 20:03 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | seems he spoke too soon | 20:03 |
| david-lyle_ | trying to find someone to agree with me | 20:03 |
| TravT | david-lyle_: i feel your pain! | 20:03 |
| david-lyle_ | :) | 20:03 |
| david-lyle_ | General things, briefly | 20:04 |
| david-lyle_ | RC-2 is our final RC and will be the release for Liberty tomorrow | 20:04 |
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| TravT | |o? | 20:04 |
| tqtran | [=_=]/3 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle_ | Summit sessions are finalizing for Horizon | 20:04 |
| TravT | i think i just accidentally invented a new emoticon | 20:05 |
| TravT | (I have a question) | 20:05 |
| david-lyle_ | I like the hook | 20:05 |
| david-lyle_ | TravT, shoot | 20:05 |
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| TravT | oh sorry, no i don't have any question... was a pure accidental type | 20:05 |
| david-lyle_ | then yes | 20:06 |
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| mrunge | you have a keyboard shortcut for: I have a question? | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | The most uncertain person ever | 20:06 |
| * mrunge shuts up now. | 20:07 | |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-mitaka-summit | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | voice any concerns about the proposed schedule at the bottom by tomorrow | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | as I will be publishing those | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | those are the general items | 20:08 |
| TravT | The angular fight club one will be tough for me to make at the 5:30 proposed time | 20:08 |
| TravT | on Wed | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | also fishbowl with ceilometer on Wed at 12:05 re: sorry state of ceilometer support in Horizon and what both teams can do about it | 20:09 |
| mrunge | great | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | TravT: other more pressing concerns at that time? | 20:09 |
| TravT | Just that the main conference searchlight presentation I have ends at 5:20 | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | run ? | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | jk | 20:10 |
| TravT | and might be hard to rush over depending on if there are people who want to ask questions / talk after it | 20:10 |
| TravT | i think it is in a separate building | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | is hurgleburgler coming to Tokyo? | 20:10 |
| TravT | yes | 20:10 |
| TravT | :) | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | ok cool | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | theming wouldn't make much sense otherwise | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | The one person in Horizon who understands out CSS right now. | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | our* | 20:11 |
| mrunge | will the fight club cover, why angular is so sloow? | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | could swap theming/UX and 5:30 session | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: yes | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | it better | 20:11 |
| mrunge | awesome | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | it's about adding more bottlenecks | 20:12 |
| mrunge | do we have a list of bottlenecks to add? | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | that's the slow down reason | 20:12 |
| TravT | mrunge: that'd be great to bring information on "slow" with perf tests and analysis to a fight club | 20:12 |
| mrunge | TravT, I added measurements to reviews | 20:13 |
| TravT | oh cool. i hadn't seen them... | 20:13 |
| TravT | but still bring them! | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | we've gone from one set of API calls to services and added on top a large series of API requests to horizon over an even slower network | 20:13 |
| mrunge | will do | 20:13 |
| mrunge | even on a single machine with fast interconnection, it is slower | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | anyway session fodder | 20:14 |
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| mrunge | yupp | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | still over 2x the API requests | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | ok, moving on | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | or back to scheduling | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | will move either theming or keystone into Wed 5:30 and shuffle the other working sessions down a slot | 20:15 |
| TravT | thanks, david-lyle | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | preferences on which? | 20:16 |
| TravT | mine would be keystone... | 20:16 |
| TravT | to go to wed | 20:16 |
| TravT | but you, lhcheng, schedules for that would be key. | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish, lhcheng, ok with that? | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | I have the master schedule here somewhere | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | keystone PTL talk at that time, no keystone session | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: is that an issue | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | ? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | will track down later | 20:18 |
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| lhcheng | david-lyle: wed 5:30? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | yeah | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | there seems to be a main summit keystone talk at that time, not keystone design session | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | ok to talk keystone in horizon at that time? | 20:19 |
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| lhcheng | yeah, there is keystone fed and OSC design session at that time | 20:20 |
| TravT | sounds like theming is better then | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | ok theming it is | 20:20 |
| lhcheng | yup, thanks for asking | 20:20 |
| mrunge | yes, makes sense | 20:20 |
| mrunge | but both topics are interesting... | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: ok? | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | going twice? | 20:22 |
| hurgleburgler | will TravT not be able to make it? | 20:22 |
| TravT | will probably at least be a bit late. | 20:22 |
| hurgleburgler | k, then its alright with me | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | ok moved | 20:23 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:23 |
| TravT | r1chardj0n3s: o/ | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | re-review | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | now onto bps | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | unless other concerns? | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | I put a possible item on the agenda. Wondered if there was interest in discussing feature branching before the summit. | 20:24 |
| TravT | robcresswell: agenda link? | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HorizonDrivers#Agenda_for_October_14_2000_UTC | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | a lot of that looks like summit topics | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | heh, beat me to it. Thanks david-lyle | 20:25 |
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| robcresswell | The bps themselves are just angular bps as more of those folk around now | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | but I'm open to starting the conversation now | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | Cool! | 20:26 |
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| robcresswell | So the idea floated around was having a feature branch with more relaxed approval for a couple of the angular panels to get patterns and work together quicker. | 20:27 |
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| robcresswell | There are quite a number of people in HP/ Thoughtworks/ IBM being bottlenecked by our current process. | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | And I'm worried by the idea of a repo split that has been mentioned as well. | 20:27 |
| tqtran | I think we should also start the process for creating a feature branch, whether we end up using it or not. Streamline the process so that people arent waiting around an additional week or two until we can get their work onto the feature branch | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | IMO, if community demands faster pace, we should meet that in a manageable way, which in my mind means feature branch. | 20:28 |
| TravT | #link https://openstack.nimeyo.com/61606/openstack-horizon-suggestions-handling-refactors-future?qa_q=Suggestions+for+handling+new+panels&show=61606#q61606 | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | my concern is we're being inundated by changes that are very low priority if desirable at all | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | while we're still trying to figure out a pattern | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | feature branch is fine to try and arrive at that pattern | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Yes. The scope needs to be contained to 2/3 panels, not dozens. | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | but things like system info holds no real value | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | I would like us to have a feature branch for say, Users and Images to sort themselves out, then merge back later in M. | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | it's a very seldom used page, duplicating in angular is not really necessary, especially at this point | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | and provides no real advantage | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | angular should be used to do the things it does well that django does not | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | a static list of services is not dynamic, why treat it as such | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | I'm fine with a feature branch for those items | 20:32 |
| tqtran | the idea is, lets focus on 2-3 panels, have a feature branch for it, and have metrics that we can measure and a definitive date that we merge back into master | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Excellent. | 20:32 |
| tqtran | whether it i perfect or not | 20:32 |
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| david-lyle | nothing's going to be perfect | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | Right | 20:33 |
| TravT | yeah, if we can't reach a milestone point for merging it back as "good enough", then we'll have to go to the new repo idea. | 20:33 |
| tqtran | right, so for me, im all for the feature branch if those two conditions are met | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so the feature branch will have "more relaxed approval" does that mean we have to approve the merge back to master, ie. one ginormeous patch? | 20:33 |
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| TravT | r1chardj0n3s: i would think we would cherry pick some patches out | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | by more relaxed, it means not a full replacement | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | it's addititive | 20:34 |
| TravT | maybe not "technicallly" cherry-pick | 20:34 |
| TravT | more figuratively | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | yes, new patches based on feature branch work | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | but the idea is that those reviewing on the feature branch are comfortable with that code going into master | 20:35 |
| TravT | a little clarification on that point... perhaps... | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | for pure exploration, I suggest other options | 20:36 |
| TravT | it can go onto feature branch to enable better collaboration | 20:36 |
| TravT | but before going to master, it would be vetted with full tests, etc. | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | those tests should be in the feature branch by the end | 20:36 |
| TravT | agreed... | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | I think you're defensively agreeing here guys :) | 20:37 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: other options? | 20:37 |
| mrunge | should we squash patches then before merging back? | 20:37 |
| tsufiev | TravT: and integration tests :) | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | github? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | private repo? | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | feature branches like http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html ? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: yes | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | although some projects have said it's easier to construct new patches from the content on the feature branch than doing a merge commit | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | I think both methods have been used | 20:39 |
| TravT | what do you mean by private repo? | 20:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | gerrit is not the only git | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | why have all the check jobs run and fail on something you're not ready to propose? | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | if you're looking for feedback, then fine | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | I just think our signal to noise ratio is out of whack right now | 20:41 |
| TravT | so private repo, do you mean a fork on github? | 20:41 |
| tqtran | i think you guys are talking pass each other | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | well that's more public | 20:41 |
| mrunge | maybe gerrithub setup? | 20:41 |
| mrunge | that would integrate a gerrit and a github repository | 20:42 |
| mrunge | ... i.e a more upstream-like setup | 20:42 |
| mrunge | instead of pull request | 20:42 |
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| david-lyle | I was thinking git init | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | locally | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | I don't think we need an external repo for the work we're suggesting. It's 2/3 panels in a feature branch, with slightly relaxed reviewing, so those being bottlenecked can collab better. | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: not for that no | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Cool, the off-topic had me worried | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | I just think we're getting a lot of half-thought through patches up | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | it's ok to think them through further then propose, is all I'm suggesting | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | if you're wanting to collaborate, then by all means | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | awesome. So what's the next step for creating the branch? | 20:44 |
| * david-lyle hasn't checked the depth in pages of our reviews in a while and is scared to do so | 20:44 | |
| david-lyle | talking to relmgmt | 20:45 |
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| tqtran | we should start the process imo | 20:45 |
| tqtran | doesnt hurt to have one ready when we decide to go with feature branch | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | ok, will start the conversation | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | #action david-lyle get that branch | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | I agree, would be best to start that process sooner than later | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | Woop, thanks david-lyle | 20:45 |
| TravT | that will be a good process item out of the way. | 20:46 |
| TravT | I'm quite certain david's point on the number of patchsets going through zuul was missed... | 20:46 |
| TravT | i don't think feature branch changes that, but it should reduce rebases at least. | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | sure, and if we're working collaboratively, it's ok | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | zuul scales, most of the time | 20:47 |
| tqtran | until end od release cycle lol | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | exactly, most of the time | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | Its mainly just that you often see people pushing test patches etc, using gerrit as a backup tool, which is just extra zuul load. People should be a little mindful of infra, thats all. | 20:48 |
| TravT | so, next we have to agree on actual panels and a milestone targeting merge back... | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | fight club! | 20:49 |
| TravT | feature branch can't just be the new purgatory... | 20:49 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: people would be happy to be able to tell Zuul just relax | 20:49 |
| tqtran | and a date as well.... | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | no it's not, but a deadline is a guideline | 20:49 |
| TravT | i wish we could have a wip on patches that stayed persistent and could also have one to say (don't test)... | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | The panels is down to what angular devs are prepared to work on. Something like Users and Images, targeted for OpenStack M-3 (End of Fed/ Early March) | 20:50 |
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| TravT | m3 is too late. | 20:51 |
| robcresswell | Release schedule if you're interested https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | I think common elements and API changes can come out when they are ready too | 20:51 |
| tsufiev | btw, is anybody interested in writing integration tests for angular panels? | 20:51 |
| robcresswell | TravT: It was just an arbitrary selection | 20:52 |
| TravT | i'd like to consider searchlight in the mix... although i'm not sure that is better or not for me at this point. | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | M-2 is mid January | 20:52 |
| TravT | it probably is... | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | TravT: That panel was awesome. If there is available devs, a third panel should be doable. But I would not go beyond that. | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | Otherwise scope is unmanageable. | 20:52 |
| TravT | the reason i'd like to consider it | 20:53 |
| TravT | is i want to be able to inject searchlight search service into angular panels | 20:53 |
| TravT | and for it to be able to inject actions from other panels into it | 20:53 |
| tqtran | tsufiev: i would be, but im hung up on the users work atm. i want to get around to it though | 20:53 |
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| TravT | this probably won't make sense until i show people at the summit | 20:54 |
| tqtran | gosh, after the summit people are going to go on vacations and holidays, it might be difficult | 20:55 |
| tsufiev | tqtran: it'd be really good if someone volunteered, I'm a bit worried about integration coverage decline when we switch to angular panels from legacy ones | 20:55 |
| TravT | i'm planning on sleeping | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | TravT: No time for that | 20:55 |
| * david-lyle doesn't believe TravT | 20:55 | |
| tqtran | tsufiev: i agree fully, we should sit down and talk at the summit. im sure sqchen would be interested as well | 20:55 |
| * TravT david-lyle seems to know me | 20:56 | |
| tsufiev | tqtran: sure, will do | 20:56 |
| TravT | matt-borland will be there... | 20:56 |
| TravT | and the thoughtworks lead | 20:56 |
| tqtran | and matt-borland, and anyone else hahaha | 20:56 |
| TravT | maybe we can get some effort directed on that | 20:56 |
| tqtran | just a brainstorm talk and then we will bring it up to the table and share | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tqtran: actually, I'm moving house the day after I get back from the summit; I clearly do vacation wrong ;) | 20:56 |
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| tqtran | r1chardj0n3s: omg lol yes definitely | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | I'm taking the week off to wander round Japan :D | 20:57 |
| tqtran | me too! | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | post-summit | 20:57 |
| TravT | so, should one of the working sessions be dedicated to testing? | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | maybe part of the collab meetup | 20:57 |
| TravT | maybe even r1chardj0n3s and tsufiev giving a talk on it? | 20:57 |
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| hurgleburgler | +1 | 20:57 |
| TravT | educational kinda thing? | 20:57 |
| tsufiev | Hmmm | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | we don't have topics work items penciled in | 20:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I guess that could be done. What's the missing info in people's testing knowledge? | 20:58 |
| tqtran | try everything lol jk | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | moar tests | 20:58 |
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| tsufiev | TravT: I could prepare some integration tests how to | 20:59 |
| TravT | r1chardj0n3s: how do you describe what you don't know? | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | an integration testing strategy around angular content? | 20:59 |
| tqtran | those mocks sean mentioned are starting to sound real nice :P | 20:59 |
| TravT | i mean, i don't know what i don't know | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | more than you know | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | tqtran: Both of the mock bps are on the agenda for this meeting lol :p | 20:59 |
| tqtran | not that you know | 20:59 |
| TravT | what are we talking about again? | 20:59 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle: I'm definitely not in the angular party :/ | 21:00 |
| * TravT trying to make jokes, not sure if they are coming across in irc | 21:00 | |
| david-lyle | party? | 21:00 |
| tqtran | tsufiev: i have prepared an invitation for you already, its coming.... | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | This is getting very surreal | 21:00 |
| tsufiev | Haha, it' say bad English | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | well I'm glad we had this time together | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | :-D | 21:01 |
| tsufiev | I meant 'a group of people' | 21:01 |
| TravT | tsufiev: what are you saying? | 21:01 |
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| david-lyle | I thought political party | 21:01 |
| tsufiev | Yep | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | I have no idea what's going on | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | time's up | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | #nedmeeting | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | loool | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| TravT | hi ned | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tokyo Agenda (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 21:01:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-10-14-20.02.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-10-14-20.02.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-10-14-20.02.log.html | 21:01 |
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| * tsufiev fighting both with his English and iPad autocomplete | 21:01 | |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: no worries, also thought there was a party with drinks I was missing :P | 21:02 |
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| TravT | did somebody say party? | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | special angular knock to get in | 21:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh now he pays attention | 21:02 |
| mrunge | thanks everyone! | 21:02 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 21:02 |
| TravT | see you all in tokyo! | 21:02 |
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| david-lyle | have a good vacation TravT | 21:02 |
| TravT | thanks! | 21:03 |
| * tsufiev sometimes has the feeling that half of attendees are a bit drunk :D | 21:03 | |
| david-lyle | leaving now? | 21:03 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: that's the only way to make progress | 21:03 |
| TravT | i'm leaving this evening | 21:03 |
| TravT | i haven't packed yet | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | step away from the computer | 21:03 |
| TravT | i have to do the final searchlight tag / release stuff now | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | step away from the computer | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | :D | 21:04 |
| tsufiev | TravT: do it from smartphone in airport ;) | 21:04 |
| TravT | i think i'll go into anaphylactic shock | 21:04 |
| mrunge | there should be a phone/text-to-speach interface | 21:04 |
| tsufiev | Siri, tag the release | 21:05 |
| mrunge | :D | 21:05 |
| TravT | i used irc on my phone a few times as backup | 21:05 |
| TravT | it always goes terribly | 21:05 |
| mrunge | I imagine | 21:05 |
| TravT | auto-corrects you into oblivion | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | only battling autocomplete | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | the rest is fine | 21:05 |
| mrunge | sometimes I do that myself, from playground.... | 21:05 |
| mrunge | how silly is that? | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | lovely world we live in | 21:06 |
| TravT | well, when you couple auto correct with my general inability to sound coherent in irc, its a bad thing. | 21:06 |
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| TravT | okay, i do look forward to seeing you all in Tokyo and sharing a drink again! | 21:06 |
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