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regXboiha - I'm *not* late today :)15:00
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carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov  5 15:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:01
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carl_baldwin#chair mlavalle15:01
openstackCurrent chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle15:01
carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:01
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carl_baldwinMitaka release schedule is up.15:02
carl_baldwinIt’ll be here before you know it.15:02
mlavalleas always15:02
regXboiyou know, they should have moved the release up a week15:03
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carl_baldwinAny other announcements?15:04
carl_baldwinOh, DVR has its own meeting now on Wednesdays at this same time.15:04
regXboicarl, you beat me to it :)15:04
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carl_baldwin#topic Bugs15:06
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carl_baldwinmlavalle: how we doing here?15:06
mlavallefor L3 we have to high importance bugs15:06
mlavallefirst is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:06
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mlavallethat pavel_bondar has been working15:07
pavel_bondarfix is out for review15:07
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: I did some review of it yesterday.  Need to finish today.15:07
mlavalleand there was a partial fix merged a few days ago by amuller15:07
mlavalleany thing else to say, pavel_bondar ?15:08
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pavel_bondarnothing to add on thiis bug15:09
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mlavallenext one up is also related to IPAM
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510653 in neutron "delete_subnet is not called in IPAM driver on subnet deallocation if ML2 plugin is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:09
pavel_bondarfix is ready to15:09
mlavallepavel_bondar has also a proposed fix tps://
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mlavallehtps:// ^^^^15:10
mlavalleit look ready for further reviews. It has +1 now15:10
mlavalle ^^^^15:11
regXboithird time is a charm :)15:11
pavel_bondarcorrect now, thanks :)15:11
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mlavalleany aditional comments pavel_bondar?15:11
pavel_bondarfix is pretty trivial, hope that helps to review it15:12
mlavallepavel_bondar: thanks for working on this!15:13
pavel_bondarmlavalle: no problem:)15:13
mlavallethe rest of the high importance bugs this week are DVR related. I assume they were discussed yesterday15:13
Swamimlavalle: yes they were discussed yesterday15:13
mlavalleI kept them in the agenda this week, just in case :-)..... didn't want to loose that information15:14
regXboimlavalle: I'd say let's move them over and leave more time here for L3 issues15:14
mlavalleperfect, we are done today with bugs15:14
Swamimlavalle: it was quick15:14
carl_baldwinThanks, mlavalle15:14
carl_baldwin#topic Routed Network Segments15:15
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carl_baldwinThe discussion on this at the summit was…  what’s the word I’m looking for.15:15
regXboiI heard it described as "entertaining"15:16
mlavallethat also15:16
carl_baldwinIt was those things.15:16
Swamiyep it went in different directions15:16
carl_baldwinWell, it was not exactly what I was hoping for.  But, I think most people agree that we should do something.15:17
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carl_baldwinSo, I’ve started to add CRUD for an IpNetwork and will have a simple patch up soon.15:18
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carl_baldwinWith that, I’d like to start playing around with creating ports and booting instances.  I could use help.15:19
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carl_baldwinI’m going to communicate more on the ML and via blog about it.  Hopefully, we can all come together.15:20
carl_baldwinThat’s all.15:20
carl_baldwin#topic BGP dynamic routing15:21
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carl_baldwinHmmm.  I don’t see tidwellr.  It is early in his TZ.  vikram is on vacation.15:21
carl_baldwin#topic DNS15:22
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carl_baldwinmlavalle: You’re up again!15:22
mlavallelast night I pushed and update to
mlavalleit fixes some failures in functional tests. I thought I had fixed everything, but apparently no I didn't15:23
mlavalleso I will fix what is left today and it should pass Jenkins tests tonight15:23
mlavalleafter that, floating ip's functionality is complete. johnbelamaric already took a look right before Summit15:24
mlavalleand I have to add similar functionality for other external ip addresses.15:24
mlavalleIt shouldn't be much, so I think next week will be complete15:24
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mlavallethat's all I have today15:25
carl_baldwinmlavalle: great!15:25
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carl_baldwinI’ll review and encourage others to.15:25
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* mlavalle without loosing sight of DNS commitment, wants to pitch in in the routed networks effort15:26
carl_baldwinmlavalle: excellent15:27
carl_baldwin#topic address scopes15:27
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carl_baldwinThe patches here need reviewer attention.15:27
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carl_baldwinI guess there is one that I need to give care and feeding to.15:28
carl_baldwinsalv-orlando: ^15:28
carl_baldwinsalv-orlando: You’re the approver.15:28
carl_baldwinThat’s all15:30
carl_baldwin#topic Open Discussion15:30
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regXboiI'm going to be posting a etherpad on the O(n) stuff by eow - I'm now calling it hyperscale15:30
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regXboibasically explaining how I do it and showing the latest L3/DVR results15:31
regXboiI'm thinking of moving the *how* into a devref as well15:31
SwamiregXboi: would be nice to see15:31
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mlavalleregXboi: +115:32
carl_baldwinregXboi: ++15:32
regXboiI'll admit, there is an rfe I'd like to see get into oslo because it will make the how a lot less intrusive15:33
regXboi#link link to the rfe15:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1512864 in neutron "Application Metrics for Neutron" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Ramu Ramamurthy (ramu-ramamurthy)15:34
regXboiso watch the ML and that's all for me15:34
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carl_baldwinregXboi: Thanks15:35
mlavallewe won't have mid-cycle meeting. armax sent an email yesterday15:35
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regXboimlavalle: I'd put that differently - we're not having the mid-cycle at the previously scheduled time - we might have one later in the cycle15:36
mlavallethat is a better wording :-)15:36
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Swamiit would be no more called as mid-cycle can be either at the end or as when needed.15:36
mlavalle"on a need to have" meeting15:37
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* carl_baldwin just discovered a problem with ML filter that hid that message from him15:38
* mlavalle will continue disappointed about not having met regXboi in person until further notice about meetings15:39
regXboimlavalle: haven't you heard?  I'm still accused of being an AI15:40
mlavalleregXboi: yeah, but I want to disprove it :-)15:40
haleybas long as you're not Skynet...15:41
regXboinah - carl_baldwin, dougwig, sc68cal and others know better15:42
carl_baldwinI guess we can call the meeting.  Anything else?15:42
carl_baldwinregXboi: If you look completely different the next time I meet you, I might start to wonder again.  ;)15:43
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etoews#startmeeting api wg16:00
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etoewsanyone around? i wouldn't be surprised if there isn't...16:01
edleafehey - missed you in Tokyo16:01
etoewsya. couldn't make it out there.16:01
etoewsit was great16:01
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etoewsi'm briefly distracted here...16:02
edleafeI did have fun hanging out at the RAX booth16:02
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* cdent is suffering at the hands of a world wide conspiracy16:07
etoewscdent: edleafe: considering it's the week after the summit there are many folks around, is there anything in particular you want to discuss?16:09
cdentelmiko had some pretty exciting ideas from our session16:09
cdentwhich was kind of small because nobody could find it16:09
etoewscool. too bad about the smallish turnout.16:10
edleafeI feel like I lost touch with all the summit craziness, and wanted to see where the wg was16:10
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cdentIt was in building number #5. Attendees: elmiko, lucasgomes, cdent, kenichi, and I think that was miguelgrinberg16:11
cdentThe main point of discussion were ways to create things that demonstrate best practice as a way of getting more active contributions and discussion16:12
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etoewsthat sounds like a good way to go.16:17
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cdentelmiko promised to make with some mail and assorted other writings when he returned (he was taking an extra week in japan)16:21
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etoewsgood for him. let's catch up with him when he gets back.16:22
* etoews takes a look at miguelgrinberg's action guideline
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sdagueso, something of note, I know at least on the Nova front we're kind of in hold on a couple of things until the error spec and the filter spec land16:32
sdagueI know there are lots of parallel threads in the api-wg, but I think it would be good to focus on a few long standing bits that should get finalized16:32
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sdaguethe error spec in particular16:33
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cdentsdague is right16:37
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etoewssdague: thanks for the feedback! i wasn't aware of the hold up for nova.16:37
cdentone of the other things we discussed was a desire to use the mailing list more to get people involved16:37
cdentenhance visibility16:38
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sdagueso... I think at some point I lost the irc channel in bouncer upgrades. Is there a reason we don't pile this group into the sdk channel?16:39
sdaguebecause it seems like it would gather more of all the right people in one place16:39
sdagueand maybe help on critical mass bits16:39
etoewsi'd be amenable to that as -sdks is my main hangout anyway.16:40
etoewswe certainly don't have quorum here to make such a decision though16:41
edleafesdague: I think that would work16:41
etoewssdague: regarding the error guideline, i'm willing to push past the insistence that that guideline also be responsible for the definition of the Error Codes. the only other thing holding it up is the linking format.16:42
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etoewscurrently the guideline just has a href in the body of the json response16:43
sdagueetoews: yeh, so how about gain quorum about irc change via ML16:43
etoews_elmiko rightfully pointed out that that really isn't inline with any of the other linking formats used in openstack.16:44
etoewshe was going to come up with a guideline for a linking format and then i'd follow that format.16:44
etoewsthen the summit happened.16:44
sdagueon the error guideline, I'll take another look this week, but we do need to come up with a thing there, because Nova team would like to implement that as a microversion probably very early in N (this cycle is more about docs)16:44
sdaguebut to land it then, it's going to be a bunch of run up work, as we're going to want to bring that in for all the resource errors in one go16:45
etoewslooks like he did some analysis here
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etoewsi'm willing to move forward on the error guideline in short order.16:46
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sdaguehmmm... that's not quite right, the nova version doc links to docs.openstack.org16:47
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sdagueok, I'll comment again on this.16:48
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etoewsthe predominant style seems to be of the form "links": [{"href": "", "rel": "self"}]16:49
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etoewssdague: comments are appreciated.16:50
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sdagueright, sure, except when referencing docs16:52
sdaguethat's a resource link, not a doc link16:52
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etoewstrue enough16:52
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etoewsalthough a doc can certainly be considered a resource. just one that's outside the domain of the api...16:53
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sdaguethat seems to be spliting hairs in very delicate ways16:55
sdagueok, looking at the error spec, I'm still not happy with it because of the uuid ids16:55
sdaguebecause that's just busy work that everyone's going to have to look up16:55
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etoewsthe id field? it's just the Openstack-Request-Id.16:56
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etoewswell, to move this discussion into the review comments or ping me in -api or -sdks for sync discussion.16:57
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etoewsi'm going to end the meeting a couple min early as i have another meeting to attend. wheeeeee!16:57
sdagueetoews: lets follow up now in -sdk just so I can correctly collect my thoughts16:58
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docaedo#startmeeting app-catalog17:00
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docaedoCourtesy ping kfox1111_ kzaitsev_mb kzaitsev_ws reed j^2 ativelkov17:01
docaedo#topic rollcall17:01
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kzaitsev_mbhave you guys recovered from jetlag? )17:01
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docaedoI had a miracle this time, no jet lag when I got home17:02
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docaedonever got over jet lag in tokyo though :/17:02
docaedoTodays agenda:17:02
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drwahli was in tokyo just long enough to get used to it, then the next day headed home. so i feel like i've been jetlagged for like 2 weeks straight17:02
docaedohoo that sucks!17:03
drwahlcaffiene is making life tolerable17:03
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docaedoit's magic sometimes isn't it?17:04
kzaitsev_mbI hadn't been lagged in Tokyo, but had on my way here — I've never been getting up that early =)17:04
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docaedolight attendance, but might as well roll on :)17:05
docaedo#topic Tokyo Summit update (docaedo)17:05
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docaedoI think we had several really good sessions and conversations in Tokyo17:05
docaedoBig thanks to kzaitsev_mb for all your efforts to bring everyone together and build bridges!17:05
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docaedoAlso same goes for kfox1111_ - both of you made a lot of connections and facilitated great conversations17:06
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docaedoI also wrote an email that touched on what I thought were the major things that came up in Tokyo that people were asking for/interested in17:07
kzaitsev_mbWell, after all that was the reason we travelled half the word =) To meet each other =)17:07
docaedoRather than recap the whole email, I'll just shorten to say we need to work on trusted content upload/download (signed content for guaranteed integrity)17:07
docaedoalso trusted providers - for instance RAX or Dreamhost would like to add assets to the catalog and easily filter down to just those for a view they show to their customers17:08
j_kingi'd say it's more for verification, as in most package repos17:08
docaedoindicating that stuff is supported by them17:08
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docaedo(but then also share the other contents for customers as an "unsupported" app/component)17:09
drwahlwe (dreamhost) would also like filters for things like image format (i.e. raw vs qcow2)17:10
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docaedodrwahl: that's super easy, and will be part of the API implementation for sure17:10
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docaedoalso apologies for using you as an example - I know you're not committed to this, but I like to point you guys out as a good example of a big public cloud running OpenStack :)17:11
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docaedo(and of course, I'm hoping we can make this something that you are excited to expose to your users!)17:11
drwahli am/we are honored17:11
docaedoLast big point is all the API work we have ahead of us, and that it's an absolute requirement both for making the data easier to ingest/sort/expose, as well as make it much easier to add and maintain content17:12
docaedofor posterity, sharing two of the etherpads that had direct or at least tangentially related info:17:13
docaedoAnyone else have updates from app-catalog work in Tokyo?17:13
kzaitsev_mbThe conversation turned out to be quite productive on Friday, pity you only managed to get to the 2d part.17:14
j_kingunfortunately I was flying home on fri17:14
docaedokzaitsev_mb: yeah, I know :/  kfox1111_ got me caught up and filled me in on most/all of it17:14
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kzaitsev_mbI was keeping meeting minutes, so I probably should give an update on that to the ML =)17:15
docaedokzaitsev_mb: ah yes, if you have stuff to share that would be great - thanks by the way for keeping the minutes, I meant to thank you for that on my message17:16
docaedook moving on...17:17
docaedo#topic status updates17:17
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docaedosince I don't think much has happened since tokyo, let's check this:17:17
docaedojet lag recovery status:17:17
* docaedo fully recovered17:18
* drwahl is 90% recovered17:18
* j_king fully recovered17:18
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docaedo#topic Alternating times/regions for IRC meeting17:19
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docaedolifeless made a really good point during the fishbowl - this particular meeting time is not compatible with australia/asia17:20
j_kingconsolidating notes/decisions/etc -- how we do?17:20
j_kingetherpad per meeting?17:20
docaedoj_king: great question :) what I've seen so far is17:20
docaedoyes, etherpad is one big piece17:20
kzaitsev_mbone thing I heard from glance team about the idea — was that they had a very negative experience with the thing, cause the team was split in two with two separate groups of people discussing different things.17:21
docaedoand main thing would be that the chair has to have at least read the absorbed the log of the other meeting, and basically present a quick recap17:21
kzaitsev_mbI believe though that it would not apply to app-cat17:21
kzaitsev_mbjust something we should be aware of17:21
docaedokzaitsev_mb: it could actually, so good to bring it up to be sure we stay aware17:22
kzaitsev_mbI'm attending horizon meetings and they alternate time weekly, and seem to be ok with that17:22
docaedoI think alternating weekly is the way to go17:22
docaedoI'm really not sure the alternate time one would have any attendees other than Tom Fifield (he's usually in australia)17:23
docaedoso this might be more a matter of putting it out there for a while to see who can attend17:23
docaedolooking at my own schedule though, I don't really have a time slot that works well with australia, as I usually put my kids to bed, and am not up too much later than that (and would rather talk to my wife for a while after the kids are in bed rather than you lot ;) )17:24
drwahli second ^^17:24
docaedobut if we can get someone to chair a meeting time that works well for austrlia/asia, figure we're safe to set it up and see if we start seeing participation17:24
docaedoThanks for the feedback on this - we'll structure it alternating weeks, and will be mindful of splitting efforts/conversations17:26
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docaedoregarding etherpad, I'm mostly on board with that, but I like having the agenda and previous meetings on the wiki (it's permanent, vs. ethereal)17:27
docaedofigure since the meeting is being logged, it's easy to refer back to the conversation that was missed if/when it is missed17:27
docaedoany other thoughts/opinions on that? Otherwise I'll move forward with trying to find a chair and a time slot, and this time slot will become every other week (once we've set up the second meeting)17:28
j_kingwe can consolidate the etherpad over a cycle of meetings into a wiki page?17:29
docaedoj_king: that's a pretty good plan17:30
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docaedook I think we're good then :) moving on17:31
docaedo#topic Next steps for API work17:31
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docaedoI'm not comfortable planning too much here without kfox1111_ in attendance,17:32
docaedobut can say the demo we saw from ativelkov showed glance artifact (glare) covers much of what we need from an API and in a way we can work with17:33
docaedomy only concerns are the other requirements, and I'll argue strongly against it if we get into implementation details and find we need to run our own keystone on the web server17:33
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docaedoand we need to run our own barbican to sign things17:33
docaedo(and we need to run mistral to manage the image upload workflow or something - since there's much debate right now around how to handle uploads in the future)17:34
kzaitsev_mbI believe that shouldn't be the case =)17:34
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docaedoBUT as long as glare provides an excellent and sane abstraction between the set of assets, and the DB that info live in, I think we will be good to go17:34
docaedokzaitsev_mb: I do not think it will go that direction either - just stating that's a thing I worry about17:35
kzaitsev_mbativelkov is also away for 1.5 more weeks — travelling around japan.17:35
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docaedooh nice! I hope he enjoys it. I love Japan, hopefully will have a chance to go back and travel around more (and bring the family next time :) )17:36
docaedoI think it's safe to say next steps will be experimenting with implementation of glare, and thinking through how we'll deploy and maintain down the road17:37
kzaitsev_mbI believe the next step with the plugin demo should be to commit the code to some app-catalog repository for review17:37
kzaitsev_mbdon't think we should do a separate repo for that17:37
docaedokzaitsev_mb: yeah I don't want to fork glare stuff, so just need to figure out exactly how we pull it in17:38
kzaitsev_mbright now the code is on github, I believe.17:39
kzaitsev_mbGotta give it a bit of a thought17:39
docaedoOK we can continue the conversation around glare implementation then on the regular channel and the mailing list over the next two weeks, then when ativelkov gets back form vacation we can get into more details too17:40
kzaitsev_mbI mean — the plugin is supposed to be a python package afaiu17:40
kzaitsev_mbbut in any case — I believe it should be ok to just have it in a separate directory17:40
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docaedoyep - this should be something we can stand up with pip install pretty easily17:41
docaedoand probably on the server install from debian package :)17:42
docaedoOk think we can move on to open discussion so there's time for more stuff (just in case anyone has anything to discuss that is)17:42
docaedo#topic Open discussion17:42
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drwahlso, i've been poking around the app-catalog stuff that is on
drwahland most of the glance images are qcow217:43
drwahlwhich doesn't work with ceph17:44
drwahl(at least, not until kilo. then glance can auto-convert)17:44
kzaitsev_mboh, I'd like to think a bit about automating asset uploads/updates. We talked on it a bit, in Tokyo, but less than I hoped.17:44
kzaitsev_mbqcow2 — yep, about 90%17:44
drwahlso essentially 90% of the app catalog is useless to those using ceph on the backend17:44
drwahli don't have an answer/solution to this (beyond saying upgrade glance to kilo for auto-convert), but it creates a poor user/operator experience17:45
docaedoyes, the issue of converting images on demand has come up17:45
docaedoI'm in favor of implementing a mechanism that converts (when possible) on request, and caches the converted image17:45
drwahlthe other thought i had bouncing around my head was having an "app" in the catalog (at least for glance), be more like a container17:46
drwahland the container could have qcow2 or raw17:46
drwahland the user select which they want/need17:46
docaedoyep, that's about what I was thinking - the additional format would just become part of the asset17:47
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kzaitsev_mbdrwahl: doesn't feel generic enough17:47
docaedoin that you have the metadata of the asset describing everything, and then one or more links to different available formats17:47
kzaitsev_mbevery asset seem to have it's own format of a kind17:48
docaedobut for glance images, it's pretty easy to do this17:48
drwahlthat does put the onus on the uploader to provide multiple formats, or some job on the backend to create multiple formats for the app catalog17:48
j_kingyeah... do we want like 5 entries for every format that a node.js "app" can take?17:48
docaedoi.e. upload qcow, and then convert that, and keep both files17:48
kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: drwahl: well, glance images already have format17:48
kzaitsev_mbyou can even sort based on format in their schemas17:49
kzaitsev_mbor am I getting the idea wrong?17:49
docaedoright to me this use case only works for glance stuff, where you're talking about a base image that can be retrieved in different formats17:49
docaedo(think of it as a directory, and you can download in tar.gz format or .zip format, but the source for both those files is the same)17:49
kzaitsev_mboh, you mean — you want to have 1 asset with mutiple BLOBs based on the format17:49
docaedokzaitsev_mb: exactly17:50
drwahlideally, you wouldn't need to download *all* the blobs for an asset, just the one you actually want (since these can be kinda huge files)17:50
kzaitsev_mbThat indeed makes sense for glance17:51
docaedoI would not want to put the conversion effort on the user though, because few people will do that, and we can easily store multiple blobs per asset17:51
docaedo(and convert them either automatically upon upload, or else on demand, though the conversion process is not exactly quick...)17:51
drwahlwhere are these assets being stored? would auto-creating raw/qcow/etc. be overly burdensome?17:51
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drwahlnot just auto-creating, but also storing multiple copies essentially17:52
drwahl(one for each format)17:52
kzaitsev_mbdrwahl: wonder if it would be a good idea to convert on-demand..17:52
kzaitsev_mbmight take a lot of time though17:52
docaedothe actual binary bits will end up in S3 somewhere, provided by one of the many generous people who give up free compute and storage to OpenStack infra17:52
drwahlwe (dreamhost) might even be able to provide some storage resources17:53
kzaitsev_mbso probably it should happen after initial upload17:53
docaedoTBH drwahl this could be backed by dreamobjects ;)17:53
drwahlthat's what i was thinking :)17:53
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kfox1111_fyi, my wife's not feeling well, so I'm teleworking today. I may have to hop off randomly to chase after a 2 year old.17:54
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docaedokfox1111_: no prob, hope your wife feels better soon and enjoy chasing the kid :)17:54
kfox1111_thx. :)17:54
kzaitsev_mbkfox1111_: =)17:55
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docaedodrwahl: we will have to keep this conversation going, I think there's a good opportunity here not just for the app catalog but maybe even for openstack infra.  All the cool kids are getting in on hosting some bits of the big OpenStack gating system :D17:55
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kzaitsev_mbwith final couple – I'd still want to get back to upload/update automation.17:56
kzaitsev_mbwe've talked about it a bit.17:57
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drwahldocaedo: sounds good. i'll chat with the required people on my side about what we can do to help out with this effort17:57
kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: what bits do we need to implement to get that going? I guess api, auth/users system and a more sane storage should do that.17:58
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docaedodrwahl: excellent - I think the infra team would be excited to have another cloud to gate stuff through, especially one that is a pretty honest OpenStack cloud, I can facilitate that from the openstack side17:58
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docaedokzaitsev_mb: yeah, a legit API is required17:58
kzaitsev_mbam I missing anything?17:59
docaedokzaitsev_mb: means authentication, and backed by an API that is aware of versions of assets, authentication and ownership, etc.17:59
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docaedokzaitsev_mb: at this point I think we need to see how quickly we can ingest/implement glare for that - otherwise we're going to spend a lot of time solving the same problem in a minimal way just to throw it out when we switch to glare (assuming it works in practice at least as well as the demo)18:00
docaedooh .. out of time :(18:00
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docaedoOK let's continue the conversation on the #openstack-app-catalog18:01
kzaitsev_mbyep, I'd want to get it right on the 1st try, not implement another workaround18:01
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docaedothanks everyone!18:01
kfox1111might be a good thing to see if alexander can prototype.18:01
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