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| sheeprine | Hi, ready for the CloudKitty meeting guys? | 14:04 |
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| sheeprine | huats: gpocentek: ^ | 14:04 |
| huats | Hi sheeprine | 14:05 |
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| huats | Ready ! | 14:05 |
| sheeprine | Ok let's go then | 14:07 |
| sheeprine | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 14:07:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:07 |
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| sheeprine | We don't have many topics to discuss, we'll make it fast. | 14:07 |
| sheeprine | #topic road to 0.5 | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "road to 0.5 (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:07 | |
| sheeprine | We're a few steps away from releasing version 0.5 | 14:08 |
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| sheeprine | We've got some bugfixes waiting to be integrated in CloudKitty. | 14:08 |
| sheeprine | I'll like to add support for gnocchi integration, patches are in review, I know that the Nubeliu guys are trying it. | 14:08 |
| sheeprine | I'm waiting for feedbacks before moving it outside of WIP. | 14:09 |
| sheeprine | I know that the support is not 100% perfect but it's the first step. | 14:09 |
| huats | besides the gnocchi support, is there any othe features that needed to be included ? | 14:09 |
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| sheeprine | nope | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | I'll announce the feature freeze on the ML | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | The last feature to be integrated in 0.5 will be gnocchi support. | 14:12 |
| sheeprine | We'll then focus on bugfix and release the first rc | 14:12 |
| huats | ok | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | Ok, I'm back. irssi died on me ;) | 14:13 |
| sheeprine | Do you see anything that needs to be implemented before the feature freeze ? | 14:14 |
| sheeprine | huats: ? | 14:15 |
| huats | nope | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | ok good | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | #topic meeting hours | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting hours (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:16 | |
| sheeprine | Just a quick point about meeting hours. | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | I'll send a mail to the ML to see if some contributors are willing to change the meeting hour to be able to attend this meeting | 14:17 |
| sheeprine | because ATM it's mostly us. Maybe it's because of timezones, or just that they don't want to take part in the weekly meetings | 14:17 |
| huats | another idea might be to to a meeting every 2 weeks ? since may be weekly meetings are to time consuming for some people ? | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | Would you mind moving it in the morning? It might helps people in Asia attending it | 14:18 |
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| huats | I don't mind. But it makes it more difficult for people in the US the attend... | 14:18 |
| sheeprine | Yeah, we don't have enough contribution to do a weekly one. | 14:19 |
| huats | but I agree we should try sometinhg :) | 14:19 |
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| sheeprine | We can't have US and Asia at the same time sadly | 14:19 |
| sheeprine | and most of the active contributors are in Asia. | 14:19 |
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| sheeprine | I'll make a quick poll on the mailing list | 14:19 |
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| sheeprine | #action sheeprine send poll mail about meeting on the ML | 14:20 |
| huats | ok geat | 14:20 |
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| sheeprine | #topic Pending reviews | 14:21 |
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| sheeprine | Just a quick look at what's waiting review | 14:21 |
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| sheeprine | Many reviews are about code cleaning or deprecated stuff | 14:24 |
| sheeprine | We should validate them quickly to move on. | 14:24 |
| sheeprine | Some are modifying the way CK is interacting with other libs and we need to test it to be sure it's not broking something | 14:25 |
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| sheeprine | But most of the review are not that hard to do, we should focus on them because we need to integrate most of them before moving on with the 0.5 release | 14:26 |
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| sheeprine | huats: Anything to add? | 14:27 |
| huats | not really | 14:27 |
| huats | I am not enough involved oin the code lately to have a strong opinion | 14:27 |
| huats | on that review part... | 14:27 |
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| sheeprine | Yep, and we are lacking core reviewers. | 14:28 |
| sheeprine | With our current policy of two +2 before an accept if a core is not available it's pretty hard to validate a patch. And if the code comes from a core reviewer then we need the two others to do the code review. | 14:29 |
| sheeprine | I'll try to motivate the troops about code review ;) | 14:29 |
| huats | :) | 14:30 |
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| sheeprine | #topic tests | 14:30 |
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| sheeprine | Some part of the code lack tests, I'll issue bug reports for this so contributors can catch on this and contribute. | 14:30 |
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| sheeprine | Most of the problematic parts are "integration" parts were we use another client or query an API. | 14:31 |
| sheeprine | We need to mock most of these parts and it's pretty time consuming, plus if the client or backend is changing we're testing false dataset. | 14:32 |
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| sheeprine | pabardina is currently working on new tests for CK | 14:32 |
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| sheeprine | One part is doing tests on real database backends like mysql or postgresql. These tests will ensure that models are corrects and migrations are working correctly. | 14:33 |
| sheeprine | They will be integrated as new jenkins jobs. | 14:33 |
| sheeprine | He's trying to add dsvm tests too so we can do integration tests on real backends with real API and check possible inconsistencies between our mocks and real backend. | 14:34 |
| sheeprine | The only painpoint is how we'll inject a dataset in the components like ceilometer or gnocchi. | 14:35 |
| sheeprine | Because we need to simulate metrics, but it's another problem for another time ;) | 14:35 |
| sheeprine | #action sheeprine Report bugs about code parts lacking unit tests | 14:36 |
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| huats | dsvm would be great ! | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | #action pabardina Add new jenkins tests for real DB backends and DSVM tests | 14:37 |
| sheeprine | huats: See something else? | 14:38 |
| huats | hum not really | 14:38 |
| huats | looking for the release of the gnocchi integration : | 14:38 |
| huats | :) | 14:38 |
| sheeprine | Which brings us to | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | #topic last bits | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last bits (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:39 | |
| sheeprine | About the gnocchi integration, I need some tests in real environments | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | We have some limitations due to base low archive policy | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | It's nearly impossible to rewind in the past | 14:39 |
| sheeprine | but it's more of a configuration issue and people need to define good archive policies. | 14:40 |
| sheeprine | Second point, I need active code review. | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | Most of the code will not move with next patches | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | The only moving part will be collector references to the storage backend. | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | The get_storage part is sloppy and will change. But that's mostly it | 14:41 |
| sheeprine | If people could do a review we'll gain time for the last review. | 14:42 |
| sheeprine | I know it's a lot of code but we must ship working gnocchi support in v0.5 | 14:42 |
| sheeprine | BTW I started working on 0.6, wiĺl release the patchset by wednesday | 14:43 |
| sheeprine | This can benefits gnocchi too. | 14:43 |
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| sheeprine | That's all I had to say, do you have anything to add huats? | 14:44 |
| huats | nope | 14:44 |
| sheeprine | Anyone else hidding and waiting to talk? | 14:44 |
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| sheeprine | Ok I guess we're done then. | 14:45 |
| sheeprine | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status and progress from last week (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 14:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 14:45:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-12-14-14.07.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-12-14-14.07.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2015/cloudkitty.2015-12-14-14.07.log.html | 14:45 |
| sheeprine | huats: Thanks for attending. | 14:45 |
| huats | thanks sheeprine | 14:46 |
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| flwang1 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 15:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:01 |
| flwang1 | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| flwang1 | o/ | 15:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 15:02 |
| ryansb | o/ | 15:02 |
| mdnadeem1 | o/ | 15:02 |
| Eva-i | o/ | 15:02 |
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| flwang1 | hi guys, let's start, i don't have much topics today so feel free to contribute :) | 15:04 |
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| flwang1 | #topic code review | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:04 | |
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| * ryansb has been bad and owes reviews | 15:05 | |
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| * vkmc too | 15:05 | |
| flwang1 | zaqar client is still our priority in M-2 | 15:06 |
| flwang1 | so let me highlight the gaps currently | 15:06 |
| flwang1 | we only have some patches for v1 which are in the waiting-for-love status | 15:07 |
| flwang1 | means just need another +2 | 15:07 |
| flwang1 | then we can complete all the v1 work | 15:07 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: flaper87: they especially needs yours love :D | 15:08 |
| vkmc | flwang1, roger that | 15:08 |
| Eva-i | especially this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248982/ | 15:08 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: yep, that one is important | 15:10 |
| flwang1 | for v2, we are still missing the supports for claims and subscriptions | 15:10 |
| flwang1 | the claims support is here https://review.openstack.org/213165 | 15:10 |
| flwang1 | and i'm working on the subscriptions, i will submit some patches for subscriptions today soon | 15:11 |
| vkmc | thanks for taking care of that | 15:11 |
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| flwang1 | and another big progress is our UI repo | 15:13 |
| flwang1 | see https://review.openstack.org/255213 | 15:13 |
| flwang1 | pls try it on your local with devstack :) | 15:13 |
| flwang1 | with this plugin, now we can have a new panel group named 'messaging' under 'project' dashboard | 15:14 |
| mdnadeem1 | cool, i ll try it | 15:14 |
| flwang1 | and a 'queues' panel under 'messaging' | 15:14 |
| vkmc | sweet! | 15:15 |
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| dynarro | that's cool =) | 15:16 |
| flwang1 | btw, i would suggest we only focus on the queues(subscriptions) panel for Mitaka, and leave the 'pools' and 'flavors' panels to N, since they admin only actions | 15:16 |
| Eva-i | mdnadeem1: I see you nicely modified claims patch :o | 15:16 |
| mdnadeem1 | Eva-i, just give a try :) | 15:16 |
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| ryansb | yeah, that'd be reasonable | 15:17 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: ryansb: i have talked with some horizons guys and i would like to get at least one +1 from horizon team before we merge patch for zaqar ui repo | 15:17 |
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| ryansb | yeah definitely | 15:17 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: ryansb: flaper87: are you ok with that? | 15:17 |
| ryansb | sounds good | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 15:18 |
| * flaper87 <- in a call | 15:18 | |
| flwang1 | cool | 15:18 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: thanks for joining us :) | 15:19 |
| * flaper87 misses Zaqar... A LOT! | 15:19 | |
| mdnadeem1 | flwang1, we need to discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246147/ | 15:19 |
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| flwang1 | mdnadeem1: clicking... | 15:20 |
| flwang1 | mdnadeem1: thanks for the heads up, i would like to put it into next topics, new stuff for Mitaka | 15:21 |
| mdnadeem1 | ok | 15:21 |
| flwang1 | anything we need to discuss against the code-review topic? | 15:21 |
| ryansb | mdnadeem1: I'll put that on my to-review list | 15:22 |
| flwang1 | #topic new stuff in Mitaka | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new stuff in Mitaka (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:22 | |
| mdnadeem1 | ryansb, Thanks | 15:22 |
| flwang1 | HTTP PUT enhancement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246147/ | 15:22 |
| ryansb | #link | 15:23 |
| ryansb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246147/ | 15:23 |
| flwang1 | mdnadeem1: would you like to give a basic introduction? | 15:23 |
| mdnadeem1 | flwang1; sure | 15:24 |
| mdnadeem1 | currently, put operation on existing resources like queue, pool flavor | 15:25 |
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| mdnadeem1 | update the resource attribute | 15:25 |
| mdnadeem1 | however, we don't want it as there is patch method to update the resources | 15:26 |
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| mdnadeem1 | so, this spec will change the PUT operation behavior incase of existing resource | 15:27 |
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| mdnadeem1 | Is that make sense | 15:27 |
| mdnadeem1 | ?? | 15:27 |
| flwang1 | let me explain more | 15:28 |
| mdnadeem1 | ok | 15:28 |
| flwang1 | currently, we're using PUT for queue/pool/flavor to create new resources | 15:28 |
| flwang1 | instead of POST | 15:29 |
| flwang1 | that makes sense since for those resources, user know the 'name' | 15:29 |
| flwang1 | instead of creating by zaqar server | 15:29 |
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| flwang1 | however, when user use the same parameter for an existing resource, or let's say user use some different parameters for an existing name | 15:31 |
| flwang1 | the object will be updated | 15:31 |
| flwang1 | that also makes sense :D | 15:31 |
| flwang1 | since for PUT method, it should be idempotent | 15:31 |
| flwang1 | however, from the user perspective, it's a little bit weird | 15:32 |
| flwang1 | since they may update an existing object by mistake | 15:32 |
| flwang1 | am I make it more clear or worse? :) | 15:32 |
| dynarro | no, that was actually very clear, thanks flwang1 | 15:33 |
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| flwang1 | so after discussed with kgriffs | 15:33 |
| flwang1 | we proposed the solution is like this | 15:34 |
| flwang1 | 1. Given the PUT method is reasonable from the HTTP design perspective, so we don't need need it | 15:35 |
| flwang1 | 2. Add a new 'HEAD' support for those resources | 15:35 |
| flwang1 | 3. At zaqar client, when user intend to update resources, zaqar client call 'HEAD" firstly | 15:36 |
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| flwang1 | 4. if there is an existing resource, just update it, otherwise, say not found | 15:37 |
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| flwang1 | 5. when user try to 'create' a new resource, zaqar client will call 'HEAD" firstly as well, if there is one, say 'existed', otherwise, create it | 15:38 |
| flwang1 | mdnadeem1: am i missing anything? | 15:38 |
| mdnadeem1 | no, perfect :) | 15:38 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: ryansb: vkmc: how do you think? | 15:39 |
| ryansb | that does make sense, since PUT is for new items | 15:39 |
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| mdnadeem1 | exactly ^^ | 15:40 |
| vkmc | makes sense to me | 15:40 |
| flwang1 | awesome | 15:40 |
| vkmc | still, I'm a bit hesitant of using HEAD | 15:40 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: why? | 15:41 |
| vkmc | for one of the endpoints we decided to use PATCH | 15:41 |
| vkmc | shouldn't use the same for updates? | 15:41 |
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| flwang1 | we should use 'PATCH' for update for sure, if the endpoint support that | 15:42 |
| flwang1 | we can manage the logic in zaqar client side i think | 15:42 |
| flwang1 | let me check | 15:42 |
| Eva-i | we must create a logic that forces the client implementor to do things right | 15:43 |
| flwang1 | `queues` doesn't support 'PATCH' | 15:43 |
| flwang1 | pools and flavors support 'PATCH' | 15:43 |
| flwang1 | anyway, we can discuss details by adding comments on that patch :) | 15:44 |
| flwang1 | we only have 15 mins now | 15:44 |
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| flwang1 | ok, the new stuff i would like to do in Mitaka is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/more-reserved-queue-attributes | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | to support more built-in attributes for queue, i have mentioned it in previous meetings | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | i will submit a new spec this week, just FYI | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: any progress for the sqlalchemy upgrade? | 15:47 |
| vkmc | flwang1, no updates about that, will try to start it soon though | 15:47 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: nice, thanks | 15:48 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: any updates for the puppet work? | 15:48 |
| jasondotstar | yep | 15:48 |
| jasondotstar | I owe you guys a patch | 15:48 |
| jasondotstar | about to submit it now | 15:48 |
| jasondotstar | but.... | 15:48 |
| jasondotstar | there's more cleanup work to be done | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | still you can see the progress and try it out | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | I'm adding in the .conf settings | 15:49 |
| jasondotstar | that you gave me | 15:49 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: cool, should i expect the patch this week ? ;) | 15:50 |
| jasondotstar | absolutely. | 15:50 |
| jasondotstar | I'll add you as a reviewer | 15:50 |
| jasondotstar | that way you can see each patch i submit | 15:50 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: excellent, thanks | 15:51 |
| flwang1 | #topic docs | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:51 | |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: could you pls give a quick summary about the status of our docs? | 15:52 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: yep | 15:52 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: thanks | 15:54 |
| flwang1 | you have 6 mins :) | 15:54 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: hmm... we're waiting :) | 15:57 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: contributor docs are under refactoring as well as WIki. In the mid-january doc team will migrate API reference to a new format and Zaqar will create API reference in the official place (http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html). For now we can work on contributor docs, Wiki, configuration ref, and admin guide. | 15:57 |
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| flwang1 | admin guide? | 15:58 |
| Eva-i | Docs team will also combine "Administrator User Guide" and "Cloud Administrator Guide" soon. | 15:58 |
| flwang1 | ok | 15:58 |
| Eva-i | And it will be called just "Administrator Guide" | 15:58 |
| flwang1 | but i think we don't have much bandwidth to work on the admin guide | 15:59 |
| Eva-i | https://github.com/openstack/docs-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/user-guides-mitaka-reorg.rst here are details | 15:59 |
| flwang1 | ok, thanks | 15:59 |
| flwang1 | i was assuming the config ref and api -ref are our top priorities in Mitaka | 15:59 |
| flwang1 | are we on the same page? | 15:59 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: yes | 16:00 |
| flwang1 | cool | 16:00 |
| flwang1 | ok | 16:00 |
| flwang1 | let's back to #zaqar channel :) | 16:00 |
| flwang1 | thank you, guys | 16:00 |
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| Eva-i | oki, thanks | 16:00 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status and progress from last week (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 16:00:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-14-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-14-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-14-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 17:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| jroll | it's that time again! | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | good morning | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
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| lucasagomes | hi all | 17:00 |
| cinerama | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | welcome to the party, everyone | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | as always, agenda is here: | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:01 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | ... | 17:01 |
| jroll | #undo | 17:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | welcome davidlenwell :) | 17:01 |
| jroll | let's jump right in | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements / reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements / reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| jroll | just a couple things here | 17:02 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | I'm working on moving to devstack and grenade plugins, to make changing that stuff up easier | 17:02 |
| jroll | those patches are here | 17:02 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:ironic-devstack-plugin,n,z | 17:02 |
| jroll | good progress so far | 17:02 |
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| jroll | I'd love to do the same thing with tempest soon | 17:02 |
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| * lucasagomes ported a patch from devstack to ironic today | 17:03 | |
| lucasagomes | good work with that jroll | 17:03 |
| jroll | second thing, our gate failure rates are getting worse and worse | 17:03 |
| jroll | #link http://tinyurl.com/p8t8osb | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | jroll, Thanks for the work on that! | 17:03 |
| jroll | we've been talking about some ways to mitigate, I just wanted to point out to folks how terrible that is | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | ya, great to have that in our tree under our control :) ++ on the great work | 17:03 |
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| jroll | terrible use of the gate resources there :( | 17:04 |
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| jroll | I'm going to make that my number one priority once devstack is running from our tree, would love some help if folks are free | 17:04 |
| * jlvillal is willing to help out | 17:04 | |
| jroll | sweet | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | ++ I can help as time permits, I took a quick look last week on it | 17:05 |
| jroll | anyone have other announcements and things? | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | jroll, we will be testing in our environment also | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | and we talked about it already so I won't repeat it here (we can talk on #openstack-ironic) | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | will there be a meeting next week? | 17:05 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: I have a feeling it's a VM gate thing, but thanks | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | Or week after? | 17:05 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: sure, I'll be around for both | 17:05 |
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| jroll | if nobody shows up, it'll be easy mode :) | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | I won't be around for the 28th | 17:06 |
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| betherly | o/ sorry I'm late! | 17:06 |
| jroll | don't feel like you need to be here, but I'll start a meeting and if folks are around we can chit chat | 17:06 |
| * jlvillal On vacation next week and week after... | 17:06 | |
| NobodyCam | hp start holiday shutdown after this week | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | s/start/starts/ | 17:07 |
| * devananda will probably be around, hacking on stuff | 17:07 | |
| jroll | devananda: if everyone else is gone, me and you can just rewrite everything | 17:07 |
| * TheJulia anticipates being around | 17:08 | |
| devananda | jroll: sounds good | 17:08 |
| rloo | jroll, devananda: you need one more core :) | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, jroll just don't do it in JS | 17:08 |
| jroll | :P | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | I may be around :/ | 17:08 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: .... | 17:09 |
| * jroll moves on before a language war happens | 17:09 | |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:09 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:09 | |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
| jroll | ^ updates are there as usual | 17:10 |
| * jroll gives folks a few minutes | 17:10 | |
| jroll | ironic-lib is done \o/ | 17:11 |
| rloo | wrt bugs vs features (RFE). Do we want them all lumped under 'bugs'? | 17:11 |
| jroll | just being stomped on by the gate | 17:11 |
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| rloo | i mean, maybe dmitry can just report bug numbers w/o rfe's. or do folks care? | 17:11 |
| jroll | rloo: they're marked as wishlist, right? so we can do the math there | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: they're tagged i thought, with 'rfe'. | 17:11 |
| jroll | or that | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | yeah there's a tag | 17:12 |
| jroll | I think I'd like them separated | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | and usually the name has a [RFE] as well | 17:12 |
| rloo | i suppose it doesn't matter. i just look at the relative number/changes anyway :) | 17:12 |
| jroll | oh, no dmitry today | 17:12 |
| devananda | we should be able to filter in LP - it has a pretty rich query syntax | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | if it not a bunch of extra work it would be good to know to know the numbers split out | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | We are using ironic-lib now? | 17:12 |
| jroll | jlvillal: change is in the gate | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, patch's being merged at the moment | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | *fingers crossed* | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | Woot! :) | 17:12 |
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| jroll | now the next question - who's going to work on the IPA side of that? :) | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | also should remove rameshg87 from the raid? | 17:13 |
| jroll | I think zer0c00l expressed some interest | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | TY | 17:13 |
| rloo | jroll: right, but i also thought syed or some other HP person wanted to do the ipa side too but i could be wrong | 17:14 |
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| jroll | rloo: that's fine too, we should sync them up :) | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | cool there's enough volunteers... also that means partition image support for IPA | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: yup. as long as *someone* does it :) | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | IPA == agent_* | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | sorry | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: I made a note to bug people | 17:15 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: yup. hopefully in M*? | 17:15 |
| rloo | thx jroll | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, ++ hope so | 17:15 |
| jroll | RAID question: that's done except needs manual cleaning and docs, right? lucasagomes are you planning to do the docs for that? | 17:15 |
| rloo | jroll: there is a patch for the RAID docs. | 17:15 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: I can't help with the development of it, but feel free to point any of the relevant IPA changes to me and I'll help with reviews on it. | 17:16 |
| jroll | oh, awesome | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: i think it is in pretty good shape; i looked awhile ago. just waiting for manual cleaning to be done first. | 17:16 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: super excited about iroinc-lib | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah since ramesh is gone I will do that... but I don't actally have an enviroemnt for RAID | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: you have the number handy? | 17:16 |
| jroll | rloo: ++ ty | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, that would be extremelly useful, thank you! | 17:16 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: not handy, just found it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226330/ | 17:17 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome ty rloo :) | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | thanks rloo | 17:17 |
| rloo | there's a patch for CLI part of RAID too although I haven't looked at that one yet | 17:18 |
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| NobodyCam | I've opened that one .. will review today :) | 17:19 |
| stendulker | rloo, lucasagomes: Nisha is working on both the RAID patches CLI and doc | 17:19 |
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| rloo | stendulker: thx! | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | nice thank you stendulker | 17:19 |
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| wanyen | RAID CLI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226234/ is still under review | 17:19 |
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| rloo | i have a question about the official docs. i'm not sure i understand the part about 'to change old versions of such docs'... | 17:20 |
| rloo | is that to change the config reference only? | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: that patch is merge conflict | 17:21 |
| jroll | rloo: context? | 17:22 |
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| rloo | NobodyCam, wanyen: maybe I should put a -2 on those RAID patches; they shouldn't merge before manual clean | 17:22 |
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| rloo | jroll: just reading in the subteam report | 17:22 |
| jroll | rloo: or depends-on | 17:22 |
| rloo | jroll: yeah, or depends-on | 17:22 |
| jroll | oh, liliars doesn't seem to be here | 17:22 |
| stendulker | rloo: Will add depends-on for the both the RAID patches | 17:23 |
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| rloo | thank you stendulker | 17:23 |
| stendulker | rloo: Which manual cleaning patch I can add for the same? | 17:23 |
| rloo | jroll: i can ask her later. | 17:23 |
| thiagop | liliars is on the physiotherapy right now, couldn't attend | 17:23 |
| jroll | rloo: so yeah, I think it's just config reference. which shouldn't really need to change much on stable versions :) | 17:23 |
| rloo | stendulker: will irc with you later about that | 17:23 |
| stendulker | rloo: ok. Thanks | 17:24 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, i don't think we have a need to update the config. it is the install guide that is of concern. | 17:24 |
| jroll | rloo: right, which doesn't have ironic stuff | 17:24 |
| jroll | there's that -docs thread going on | 17:24 |
| rloo | jroll: so it looks like IF it is supported, it will be in a second install guide. i'll take a look at that docs thread later. | 17:25 |
| jroll | yep | 17:25 |
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| rloo | wrt testing, 'discussion' about valuable drivers, who/where is that discussion taking place? | 17:25 |
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| jroll | there was some discussion in the spec, and we punted for now | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: ah, ok. as long as we have that discussion at some point. punting for now is fine. | 17:26 |
| jroll | there's no ongoing discussion atm | 17:26 |
| * lucasagomes likes devananda's options on that spec | 17:26 | |
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| jroll | okay, should we open up open discussion? | 17:27 |
| jroll | or anything else on this topic? | 17:27 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone know the status on fixing the gate-tempest-ironic-ilo-driver-iscsi_ilo job? | 17:28 |
| * jroll throws the mic in the air for whoever can catch it | 17:28 | |
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| jroll | jlvillal: deray is the point of contact for that, don't see them here | 17:28 |
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| lucasagomes | jlvillal, that's the 3rd party CI from HP right? Not sure who's working on that but it's great that it's already voting in the patches | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: your suspost to hold straght out on front of you and drop it, to be kewl :p | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | lucasagomes, It is voting. But I only see it vote -1 so far. | 17:29 |
| stendulker | jlvillal: We are working on it.. on the baremetal we are getting failire son heartbeat. | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, yeah, probably it's not completed yet | 17:29 |
| jroll | it was working for a little bit | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | stendulker, Great. Good to hear that it is being worked on :) | 17:29 |
| rloo | stendulker: are you updating the status of those tests on that third party CI web page? | 17:29 |
| stendulker | sorry for delay and failures on every patch... | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | since it's open-discussion I would like to ask for reviews at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253605/ , this is to make some JSON fields indexable in the DB which will later be used to build the filter API | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | there's a link in the comments to a POC patch which you can test the latest version of that spec | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | and a step by step on how to do it (to see the migration on-the-fly and so on) | 17:30 |
| stendulker | rloo: I'm not sure... Can you pls share the link to same. | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | stendulker, As long is work is being done on it. That is good. I was just worried it wasn't being worked on. But good to hear it is in progress. Thanks. | 17:30 |
| jroll | stendulker: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:31 |
| stendulker | jroll: thanks | 17:31 |
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| rloo | lucasagomes: will try to look at your spec this week. i really want the capabilities separated but one step at a time :) | 17:32 |
| gabriel | Oh, I have a question regarding CI servers: are they expected to be on the 'check experimental' pipeline? For how long? Would it be a good idea to have a "check smthngelse" pipeline just for the 3rd party driver CIs? | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right, yeah the spec will serve as plumbing work for that (the fact table) | 17:33 |
| jroll | gabriel: I'd do whatever the third party CI docs say | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, but since capabilities needs backward compat I prefer to do it in a separated spec | 17:33 |
| jroll | gabriel: I suspect experimental is the wrong thing | 17:33 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: yup, it makes sense as a separate spec | 17:33 |
| devananda | gabriel: main pipeline. it's all in the third-party docs | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | stendulker, If you update the status info. Can dates be put in on when the status was updated? | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, thanks! | 17:34 |
| jroll | I'd also love to invite folks to chime in on devananda's thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082011.html | 17:34 |
| devananda | gabriel: if you want to start it in the experimental pipeline while you iron out anything on your end, that's also reasonable | 17:34 |
| jroll | very important discussion we need to have there | 17:34 |
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| jroll | it's about the multiple compute work that is currently pretty stuck | 17:34 |
| rloo | jroll: yuppers, VERY important | 17:34 |
| devananda | jroll: thanks. I was going to bring that up. | 17:34 |
| gabriel | I see. Thank you, devananda and jroll . | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | gabriel, start with http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 17:34 |
| * lucasagomes will look | 17:35 | |
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| krtaylor | gabriel, and come to the wednesday meetings for ironic-qa :) | 17:35 |
| mgould | jroll, do I understand right that the nova scheduler won't scale to the level Ironic needs? | 17:35 |
| devananda | jroll: should we go poke some nova folks too? | 17:35 |
| jroll | mgould: correct | 17:35 |
| jroll | devananda: yes please | 17:35 |
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| mgould | jroll, in that case I'm surprised it scales well enough for Nova... | 17:35 |
| gabriel | I guess liliars and others from our team are already participating, krtaylor. Thanks for inviting, though. | 17:36 |
| jlvillal | gabriel, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:36 |
| jroll | mgould: well, about that... :) | 17:36 |
| devananda | mgould: well, ask anyone running a large openstack cloud .... | 17:36 |
| mgould | heh | 17:36 |
| jroll | mgould: it doesn't scale to thousands of things | 17:36 |
| jroll | hence, cells | 17:36 |
| mgould | aha | 17:36 |
| devananda | ^ right | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | yeah :-( | 17:36 |
| devananda | but cells are a poor[er] fit for ironic | 17:36 |
| jroll | we can run ironic in cells, but that requires an ironic deployment per cell | 17:36 |
| mgould | so it scales iff you use cells, but we can't use cells for ironic | 17:36 |
| jroll | we can | 17:36 |
| jroll | just, not one ironic for all cells AIUI | 17:36 |
| mgould | OK | 17:37 |
| jroll | s/AIUI// | 17:37 |
| mgould | so we'd need an ironic per cell, which would be a PITA | 17:37 |
| jroll | it is a PITA, yes | 17:37 |
| devananda | and that creates a problem for folks who want to integrate ironic with other inventory mgmt systems at large scale | 17:37 |
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| lucasagomes | cells are being refactored in nova right? Are they considering the ironic use case when designing it? | 17:38 |
| mgould | right, I think I understand now | 17:38 |
| devananda | mgould: also, performance of nova-sched isn't hte only issue there | 17:38 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: not afaik | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | (thinks he knows the answers) | 17:38 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: idk, but the architecture will be fine for ironic I believe | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah :-/ | 17:38 |
| mgould | I was wondering if the Right Thing was to make nova-scheduler scale better | 17:38 |
| devananda | mgould: well, about that .... :) | 17:38 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: cells v2 isn't terribly different as to what ironic cares about | 17:38 |
| jroll | it's still scheduler/conductor/computes segregated by cells | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | right, ty. I will try to take a look at their specs and so on | 17:39 |
| jroll | but the way the communication works and such is different | 17:39 |
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| mgould | devananda, right, there's all the filtering stuff as well | 17:40 |
| devananda | mgould: a) there are already folks working on that. if you want to do that - I encourage you to. b) that performance isn't the only issue. nova-scheduler makes assumptions that resources are subdivisible | 17:40 |
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| mgould | aaaah | 17:40 |
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| mgould | which obviously isn't the case with baremetal | 17:41 |
| devananda | mgould: really, the way nova scales (limit failure to a single n-cpu host; if that host dies, assume all instances on it are dead) and the way ironic scales (redundant control plane, instances are independent and manageable by any part of hte control plane) are different. | 17:41 |
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| devananda | mgould: that creates another layer of friction for scheduling | 17:41 |
| gabriel | How is the work going on the neutron integration part? Do you see it being done by Mitaka? Or earlier? I'm looking at the WhiteBoard but can't find work yet to be done except for some patches with -1 on nova and ironic | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, it's most ironic, since the same conductor can potentially manage all nodes in the datacenter | 17:42 |
| gabriel | I mean, it is not explicit there | 17:42 |
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| gabriel | -ed | 17:42 |
| jroll | gabriel: the code wokrs afaik, just needs reviews | 17:42 |
| jroll | and testing :) | 17:42 |
| devananda | jroll: I started reviewing the neutron patches last week, but it looks like some of them are >1mo old now | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | and nova assumes each nova-compute only manages a specific number of nodes/VMs | 17:42 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, they need updates too I guess | 17:42 |
| mgould | devananda, thanks! | 17:42 |
| devananda | like they stopped getting updated / rebased | 17:42 |
| gabriel | jroll: do you mean automated testing by that? | 17:43 |
| rloo | do you think they stopped updating/rebasing cuz they didn't think anyone cared? | 17:43 |
| jroll | gabriel: both, I guess. there's devstack patches there | 17:43 |
| jroll | not sure, rloo | 17:45 |
| jroll | I feel like some of the people disappeared | 17:45 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, that isn't good | 17:46 |
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| devananda | jroll: hm. what can we do to get that going again / landed? | 17:46 |
| gabriel | In face of ironic's (and maybe neutron's and nova's) priorities, do you see it being left for N instead of Mitaka? | 17:46 |
| * jlvillal hopes not | 17:46 | |
| jroll | devananda: get people working hard on it | 17:46 |
| jroll | it's on my list to pick up if nobody else does | 17:46 |
| jroll | my top priorities right now: 1) devstack plugin, 2) fix our crappy gate, 3) land neutron stuff | 17:47 |
| devananda | jroll: is the devstack side written? I can poke at it, if there's a way to test it -- but I do not know the networking aspects well enough to write them | 17:47 |
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| jroll | devananda: yep, see the etherpad, there are patches to ironic's devstack plugin | 17:47 |
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| devananda | jroll: link? | 17:47 |
| jroll | I haven't had a chance to look at them | 17:47 |
| jroll | devananda: whiteboard, subteam updates | 17:48 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/ironic-ml2-integration,n,z | 17:48 |
| gabriel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/ironic-ml2-integration,n,z | 17:48 |
| devananda | jroll: ahhh. I was looking at the other etherpad, linked in #TODO's -- that looks wrong | 17:48 |
| devananda | jroll: perhaps it should be removed from the whiteboard ? | 17:48 |
| jroll | devananda: which etherpad? removed from where on the whiteboard? | 17:49 |
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| jroll | oh | 17:49 |
| jroll | I see it | 17:49 |
| rloo | devananda: just delete it :) | 17:49 |
| devananda | jroll: L91 | 17:49 |
| devananda | cool | 17:49 |
| * jroll fixed | 17:49 | |
| jroll | I wonder how up to date that entire todo section is | 17:50 |
| * jroll wants to nuke the whole whiteboard and start over sometimes | 17:50 | |
| devananda | i'm guessing it's not | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: maybe on day 1 of the midcycle? | 17:51 |
| jroll | sure | 17:51 |
| jroll | we're almost at time here, does anyone have anything else to discuss? | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting everyone! | 17:52 |
| gabriel | I'm done for today. Thanks, folks. | 17:53 |
| jroll | yep, thanks all for joining :) | 17:53 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 17:53:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-12-14-17.00.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-12-14-17.00.txt | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-12-14-17.00.log.html | 17:53 |
| sambetts | thansk jroll | 17:53 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:54 |
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