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| Sam-I-Am | #startmeeting docinstallteam | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello. anyone here for the install guide team meeting? | 01:01 |
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| vnyyad | HI | 06:29 |
| dedery_ | hi :) | 06:30 |
| yamamoto | hi | 06:30 |
| soichi | hi | 06:30 |
| kaz | hi | 06:30 |
| vnyyad | #startmeeting taas | 06:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 06:30:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnyyad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 06:30 |
| vnyyad | #topic let's revive spec discussion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/ | 06:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "let's revive spec discussion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/ (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:31 | |
| vnyyad | thanks for getting the spec revived | 06:31 |
| reedip | Hello | 06:31 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas agenda | 06:31 |
| reedip | vnyyad, yamamoto, anil_rao : I thought of creating an etherpad to verify the status.. | 06:32 |
| yamamoto | reedip: status of what? | 06:32 |
| reedip | vnyyad, yamamoto, anil_rao : Just FYI | 06:32 |
| reedip | yamamoto: status of progress of the various discussions and development ongoing | 06:33 |
| reedip | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tap-as-a-Service | 06:33 |
| yamamoto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tap-as-a-Service | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | reedip: Ok | 06:33 |
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| vnyyad | I guess there are some who have comments, suggestion and issues with spec | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | Can we discuss some of these issues here | 06:35 |
| vnyyad | it would be good if they participated and discussed it here in the meeting | 06:35 |
| reedip | vnyyad: we can extend an invitation to them next week at the scheduled time ... | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | sure | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | when we comment on the spec, we can leave a note there toward the meeting | 06:36 |
| reedip | meanwhile, as anil_rao mentioned, we can probably discuss them.... and drop a mail to ML after the meeting is over | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | reedip: sure | 06:37 |
| reedip | #action vnyyad to drop a mail to the ML for discussing TaaS spec next week, if holidays are not an issue | 06:37 |
| vnyyad | reedip: I can drop a mail irrespective, if we meet after the holidays that too is good | 06:38 |
| reedip | ok :) | 06:38 |
| vnyyad | ok lets start with the issue we want to discuss, lets bring them up now | 06:39 |
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| vnyyad | discussion around API completeness brought up by Fawad | 06:41 |
| vnyyad | any comments from other on it | 06:41 |
| anil_rao | My thoughts are that we go with a minimal API that is resonably complete, otherwise we won't make it into any release | 06:42 |
| soichi | +1 | 06:43 |
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| vnyyad | i guess we can iterate over the APIs in the future, its not set in stone and that should not stall the progress of the spec for now | 06:43 |
| yamamoto | +1 as far as the functionality can be added later (as an extension) | 06:43 |
| reedip | Yup, +1 ... making it heavy early on does not make too good a sense | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | we have a -1 now regarding the issue, i guess having them discuss this in the meeting is essential | 06:45 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: you think discussion on gerrit doesn't work? | 06:46 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: it does for sure, but getting them to meeting also helps was my view | 06:47 |
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| anil_rao | yamamoto: Gerrit discussions work but we should also get on the same page w.r.t. shorter term goals. I am not sure how to specify that in the spec without raising concerns about the scope of the project. | 06:48 |
| anil_rao | From the beginning of the TaaS spec review, folks have been eying it with both short term and long term (ideal case) goals in mind. This would lead to us going round and round and not making much progress. Does anyone have thoughts on how to break the cycle? | 06:50 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: +1 | 06:51 |
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| yamamoto | how about having "feature direction" or "optional features" in the spec? | 06:51 |
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| anil_rao | That sounds interesting. Can you please elaborate some more? | 06:52 |
| reedip | yamamoto : something like scope for Mitika and for Newton ??? | 06:52 |
| reedip | ( considering N is going to Newton ) | 06:53 |
| yamamoto | as commented on the review, there seems to be people who want non-minimam functionalities | 06:53 |
| yamamoto | (including me9 | 06:53 |
| yamamoto | so having optional goals might makes sense. say, "the initial implementation might or might not have these..." | 06:54 |
| yamamoto | reedip: yes, sort of. | 06:55 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: +1, this is good to be added in the spec | 06:55 |
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| soichi | +1 | 06:56 |
| vnyyad | the scope for the mitika has to be clearly marked off to get the spec and work going | 06:56 |
| anil_rao | I keep wondering if there is a minimal set that everyone agrees on for the first release. If we are all striving toward a common goal this sholdn't be hard to define. | 06:56 |
| reedip | yamamoto: We can add that information in the spec.. would be great to make up the goals | 06:56 |
| dedery_ | yamamoto: +1 setting the expectations is appriciated. | 06:56 |
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| yamamoto | anil_rao: sure, let's define the minimal set and set it for mitaka. the rest will go into the optional category. | 06:58 |
| vnyyad | so we agree to have a section in the spec to address this | 06:59 |
| vnyyad | all on board :) | 07:00 |
| reedip | +1 | 07:00 |
| kaz | +1 | 07:01 |
| vnyyad | next issue was from bao wang regarding traffic loss in the mirrored traffic | 07:01 |
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| vnyyad | This is a interesting problem | 07:05 |
| vnyyad | any thoughts | 07:06 |
| anil_rao | I am not sure I fully understand Bao's concern here. Why is it felt that any traffic loss (no matter how small) will make monitoring unreliable? | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | i wonder what level of reliability he needs. | 07:07 |
| reedip | I think it may be possible that the loss of mirrored traffic is the traffic which is intruding in the system | 07:07 |
| reedip | I mean the intruding traffic somehow didnt get mirrored , and thus was not observed, and went undetected | 07:08 |
| yamamoto | i guess it's better to ask him rather than guessing here. | 07:09 |
| dedery_ | let's assume for a moment that this is an issue. What are the possible ways to deal with this? | 07:09 |
| yamamoto | some sort of flow control? | 07:10 |
| dedery_ | QoS for tapped traffic? | 07:10 |
| anil_rao | Mirrored packets flowing over a network in the GRE tunnel or VxLAN tunnel can suffer losses. I don't think flow control will take care of that. | 07:11 |
| anil_rao | I believe Bao is more worried about the GRE tunnel portion or our solution than the mirroring action as such. | 07:12 |
| vnyyad | let us get it clarified from him on this | 07:14 |
| anil_rao | Yes | 07:14 |
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| yamamoto | how about going over the rest of topics quickly before we use the whole meeting for spec discussion? | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | Sure | 07:15 |
| vnyyad | sure | 07:15 |
| vnyyad | #topic we ought to maintain "two +2s to merge" rule | 07:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "we ought to maintain "two +2s to merge" rule (Meeting topic: taas)" | 07:15 | |
| yamamoto | it's the rule the most of openstack projects maintain | 07:16 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: i agree | 07:16 |
| yamamoto | we ought to try to follow. | 07:16 |
| anil_rao | + | 07:16 |
| anil_rao | +1 | 07:16 |
| dedery_ | +1 | 07:16 |
| vnyyad | does it need some support from infra to get this in our project | 07:17 |
| reedip | +1 | 07:17 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: ? | 07:17 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: please ignore :) | 07:18 |
| vnyyad | i got it wrong | 07:18 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: there are no mechanical policy enforcement in other projects. the rule is merely maintained by human beings. | 07:18 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: got it | 07:19 |
| vnyyad | #topic have a dedicated irc channel? | 07:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "have a dedicated irc channel? (Meeting topic: taas)" | 07:20 | |
| yamamoto | i was wondering if we want to have our own irc channel | 07:20 |
| yamamoto | like #tap-as-a-service | 07:20 |
| yamamoto | how do you think? | 07:20 |
| reedip | vnyyad : I guess its not required right now... maybe once it has evolved a bit more? | 07:20 |
| yamamoto | it can be useful for eg. gerrit notifications | 07:21 |
| yamamoto | eg. a patch is proposed, merged, etc | 07:21 |
| anil_rao | Sounds good to me | 07:22 |
| reedip | as such, I think its good to have | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | yamomoto: +1 | 07:22 |
| yamamoto | ok, let me try to set it up | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: thanks | 07:23 |
| vnyyad | #topic neutron ovs-agent deletes taas flows (cont.) | 07:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron ovs-agent deletes taas flows (cont.) (Meeting topic: taas)" | 07:23 | |
| soichi | yamamoto, reedip: thank you for your comments on the patch Kaz submitted | 07:23 |
| soichi | Kaz submitted a patch based on our idea that I submitted to mailing list. | 07:23 |
| soichi | link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082372.html | 07:24 |
| soichi | i think it is better to use ml2 extention API (under discussion) as Ihar suggested. | 07:24 |
| soichi | link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082303.html | 07:24 |
| irenab | yamamoto: regarding the channel name, shouldn’t it be prefixed with ‘openstack’? | 07:24 |
| reedip | vnyyad, anil_rao, everyone: There are some patches currently pending review on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tap-as-a-service,n,z.. if you have some time, please look into the same | 07:25 |
| reedip | oh sorry, I thought the channel was open | 07:25 |
| yamamoto | irenab: suggestions are welcome :-) | 07:25 |
| vnyyad | reedip: shall do | 07:26 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Will do | 07:26 |
| yamamoto | any volunteer to turn our agent to l2 extension? | 07:26 |
| irenab | yamamoto: :-), it just looks like convention. We followed this for kuryr channel. but this just a suggestion | 07:27 |
| yamamoto | related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1515104 | 07:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515104 in tap-as-a-service "taas agent relies on ovs-agent" [Undecided,New] | 07:27 |
| reedip | yamamoto: I can give it a try to convert to an L2 extension | 07:27 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: +1 | 07:28 |
| vnyyad | reedip: i can join in too | 07:28 |
| yamamoto | reedip: vnyyad: thank you! | 07:28 |
| reedip | #action: vnyyad and reedip to take up L2 extension for TaaS | 07:28 |
| reedip | #action anil_rao and vnyyad would take up the currently pending reviews for TaaS | 07:29 |
| vnyyad | reedip: +1 | 07:29 |
| vnyyad | any other business? | 07:29 |
| kaz | I have a question. | 07:29 |
| kaz | I guess a test scenario would be as follows: | 07:29 |
| kaz | 1. create a flow whose cookie=0x0 if there is no flow whose cooki=0x0 | 07:30 |
| kaz | 2. record a list of flows | 07:30 |
| kaz | 3. restart ovs agent | 07:30 |
| kaz | 4. deploy a vm (to run the cleanup logic) | 07:30 |
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| kaz | 5. confirm flows whose cookie=0x0 were not deleted | 07:30 |
| kaz | I have no idea how to write this kind of test in acceptable format for jenkins. | 07:30 |
| yamamoto | fullstack or functional test? | 07:31 |
| kaz | functional test | 07:31 |
| yamamoto | i'm not sure what's your concern | 07:32 |
| yamamoto | we run out of time. | 07:32 |
| vnyyad | lets take it up in the mailing list | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | we are out of time now | 07:33 |
| reedip | kaz: you need to use normal neutron CLIs to do that work | 07:33 |
| kaz | I will ask offline. | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | thanks everyone | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | bye | 07:33 |
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| yamamoto | bye | 07:33 |
| dedery_ | bye :) | 07:33 |
| reedip | ok... Happy holidays :) | 07:33 |
| kaz | bye | 07:33 |
| soichi | bye | 07:33 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 07:33 |
| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 07:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 07:33:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-12-16-06.30.html | 07:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-12-16-06.30.txt | 07:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-12-16-06.30.log.html | 07:33 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 09:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 09:01 |
| emalin | hi | 09:01 |
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| ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 09:01 |
| idan_hefetz | ין | 09:01 |
| elisha_r | hello | 09:01 |
| alexey_weyl | Hello :) | 09:01 |
| idan_hefetz | hi :) | 09:01 |
| emalin | -:) | 09:01 |
| amir_gur | Hi | 09:01 |
| eyalb | hi | 09:01 |
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| ShaharTesterChoi | Hi | 09:02 |
| lhartal | hey | 09:03 |
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| Ohad | hi | 09:04 |
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| ifat_afek | Hi again. Our agenda: | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Current status and progress from last week | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Review action items | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Next steps | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Current status and progress from last week | 09:06 |
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| ifat_afek | First a reminder: Gerrit will be upgraded today at 17:00 UTC, and will be down for a few hours | 09:06 |
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| ifat_afek | It turns out that networkx is already a part of OpenStack :-) | 09:06 |
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| marina_ | Hi | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | a project named TaskFlow is already using it (version 1.0), which means we can use it too without a need for someone to approve it (as a 3rd party library) | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | My update: I verified that we can create a semi-event alarm with no alarm actions and set its state from the api. | 09:07 |
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| emalin | great | 09:08 |
| ifat_afek | No notifications are sent about the state change, but for mitaka we don’t need them. | 09:08 |
| ifat_afek | . I’m still checking if there are better alternatives. Once I’m done, I’ll update ceilometer blueprint. | 09:08 |
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| ifat_afek | We had a meeting with Marina and Eliran, who explained to us the basics of tempest tests. | 09:08 |
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| ifat_afek | Marina, do you want to update? | 09:09 |
| marina_ | My update: The vitrage_tempest_tests folder appears temporarily under "vitrage project", but it's purely tempest tests for rca block. | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek | cool, thanks | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, some of us got a mail where we can select a name for N* release | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | Who else wants to update? | 09:11 |
| umargolin | Also the "O" release | 09:11 |
| emalin | We had another vitrage synchronizer desgin meeting, and we need to learn the some oslo components to proceed | 09:11 |
| emalin | I also check the ability of ceilometer to monitor switches | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek | any interesting conclusions? | 09:12 |
| emalin | Not yet | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek | ok | 09:12 |
| elisha_r | I've been working on upgrading the mock functionality, to match the updated format of nova synchronizer info. | 09:13 |
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| elisha_r | and in the process, also supporting more "logical" flows | 09:13 |
| elisha_r | hope to get it done in a few days, bugs allowing :) | 09:13 |
| elisha_r | thats it | 09:14 |
| eyalb | I am still working on authentication and authorization of the client and server | 09:16 |
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| eyalb | we need to figure out what are the roles for authorization for our api | 09:17 |
| eyalb | who can see the the topology for example | 09:17 |
| eyalb | thats it | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek | Ohad, what do you think? | 09:18 |
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| Ohad | good point - we need to further look in it. I think that we can start with admin. | 09:19 |
| ifat_afek | makes sense | 09:20 |
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| idan_hefetz | Eyal, Elisha and I have defined the minimal functionality needed at this point to allow graph queries for the first use case. | 09:20 |
| idan_hefetz | That is, perform a query by depth with filtering over the the edges and vertices properties. | 09:20 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:21 |
| emalin | Eyal regards your question, I think we need to filter the resources the user see by his project | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | but does it make sense that a customer can see the topology of the entire system? we need to think about it... | 09:22 |
| ShaharTesterChoi | QA team started working on creating basic tempest tests which will later on be integrated and monitor our progress when things will start running on Vitrage | 09:22 |
| umargolin | Only Amanda can see the entire system. | 09:23 |
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| ifat_afek | regarding the alarms, emalin you are right - each customer should see the relevant alarms | 09:23 |
| emalin | Who is Amanda ? | 09:23 |
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| elisha_r | You don't know who Amanda is? | 09:23 |
| ifat_afek | ShaharTesterChoi thanks! | 09:24 |
| emalin | I think that each member should see the vitrage RCA relevant to his project | 09:25 |
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| ifat_afek | of course. the question is what if the root cause is an alarm that belongs to the admin | 09:26 |
| umargolin | Amanda is the datacenter owner. I agree that each user should only see resources that he's aloowed to use. We do need to think who to give access to the full picture as this has lots of value. Could be per deployment | 09:27 |
| ifat_afek | we should check what is OpenStack policy regarding visibility of admin resources to the projects | 09:27 |
| Ohad | I think that a customer should see the alarm belong to admin (example: host alarm) just for what relevant to him but not the entire system. | 09:28 |
| umargolin | Problem is that a host may serve more then one tennant | 09:28 |
| Ohad | maybe a customer should not see all information for admin resources but at least to know that this alarm/s are part of the root cause pattern, | 09:29 |
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| omer_etrog | we should keep our policy as we do in cloudband | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | Ohad, I agree. so let's make it the behavior for now | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | let's move on. who else wants to update? | 09:31 |
| omer_etrog | we need to enforce it in the UI and API? | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | the API will make the decisions I think | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | based on the user that called this API | 09:32 |
| omer_etrog | great | 09:32 |
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| ifat_afek | omer_etrog, any updates regarding the UI progress? | 09:32 |
| emalin | Makes sense | 09:33 |
| omer_etrog | we in a process to create a POC for the entity graph | 09:33 |
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| ifat_afek | great, thanks | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | any other updates anyone? | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | let's move on to the action items | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Review action items | 09:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:35 | |
| ifat_afek | • ifat_afek check Aodh integration workaround and update Ceilometer blueprints | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | this is in progress. like I already said, I have a workaround, but still looking for a better solution | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek check Aodh integration workaround and update Ceilometer blueprints | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | • decide how to implement list alarms UI | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | For now the decision is that there will be Vitrage UI for list alarms (different from the ceilometer horizon UI that ^Gal^ checked). | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | Vitrage UI will get the list of alarms from Aodh | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek | • start discussing the tempest tests | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek | Done, need to continue the discussions. | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek | • finalize synchronizer design | 09:38 |
| emalin | synchronizer design is in progress | 09:38 |
| ifat_afek | • checkin a basic synchronizer FW for the vitrage graph to interface with and see that we are on the same page | 09:39 |
| emalin | It's also in progress | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek | this was nadav_yakar's action item, and he is on vacation. let's wait for his update | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek | #action nadav_yakar checkin a basic synchronizer FW for the vitrage graph to interface with and see that we are on the same page | 09:40 |
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| ifat_afek | • elisha_r end-to-end API flow for the first use cases | 09:40 |
| elisha_r | Idan, eyal and I have started looking into this, as idan updated | 09:40 |
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| ifat_afek | • create puppet-vitrage project (maty) | 09:42 |
| ifat_afek | Aya's response (she has a technical problem to connect): still in progress. the puppet has a new convention, we will be the first ones to use it, so it takes more time | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek | Aya: we are waiting for +2 on our change | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 09:44 |
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| ifat_afek | we should go on with the tempest tests, and understand what kind of tests we want to write | 09:45 |
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| ifat_afek | we should also start thinking about our documentation - developer's guide, how to, etc. | 09:46 |
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| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek check how we should add vitrage documentation | 09:47 |
| lhartal | Please notice that we added Vitraege Exception and a list of Vitrage errors. You can use it in your code and you can add new relevant errors | 09:47 |
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| ifat_afek_ | anything else? | 09:48 |
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| ifat_afek_ | I noticed that we did not yet talk about the set-state use case. We don’t even have a blueprint for it. Note that it means that the topology view will show Nova state for all entities, and not the vitrage deduced state. | 09:48 |
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| lhartal | Good point - lets scedule a meeting and to disccuss on it and next Vitrage use case | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | ok | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | #action decide on Vitrage next use cases | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Open Discussion | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek_ | anything? | 09:51 |
| ifat_afek_ | goodbye then :-) | 09:51 |
| amir_gur_ | bye | 09:51 |
| alexey_weyl | Bye :) | 09:51 |
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| emalin | see you next week | 09:51 |
| emalin | :) | 09:51 |
| lhartal | goodbye :) | 09:51 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #endmeeting | 09:52 |
| Ohad | #endmeeting | 09:53 |
| lhartal | #endmeeting | 09:53 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 09:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 09:54:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-12-16-09.00.html | 09:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-12-16-09.00.txt | 09:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-12-16-09.00.log.html | 09:54 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 13:02:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:02 |
| claudiub | hello folks! | 13:03 |
| abalutoiu | hey | 13:03 |
| Sonu | Hello. Good morning | 13:03 |
| atuvenie | 0/ | 13:03 |
| atuvenie | o/ | 13:03 |
| kvinod | Hi all | 13:03 |
| itoader | o/ | 13:03 |
| primeministerp | o/ | 13:03 |
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| claudiub | ok, so let's see... | 13:04 |
| claudiub | lpetrut? | 13:04 |
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| lpetrut | Hi | 13:05 |
| claudiub | ok, so he joined. we can start. :) | 13:05 |
| claudiub | #topic fibre channel | 13:05 |
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| claudiub | so, lpetrut, any news for us on this regard? :) | 13:05 |
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| lpetrut | yep, the implementation is ready for the passthrough disks scenario | 13:05 |
| lpetrut | I was actually sending the implementation upstream right now | 13:06 |
| claudiub | cool, can you share the link with us then? | 13:06 |
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| claudiub | so we can start reviewing it :) | 13:06 |
| lpetrut | I'll send it as soon as I send them | 13:06 |
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| claudiub | great. Anything else that needs to be done for fibre channel? | 13:07 |
| lpetrut | yep, we'll have to support the other scenario, when FC ports are exposed to the instance | 13:07 |
| lpetrut | but that should be easy to implement on top of this work | 13:07 |
| claudiub | I see. Any thoughts about when that's going to be up for review? :) | 13:08 |
| lpetrut | hard to say, best case scenario: next week | 13:08 |
| lpetrut | Sagar, Sonu: any questions on this topic? | 13:09 |
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| Sonu | If you need review time from HP, let me know please | 13:09 |
| lpetrut | that would be great, I'll send you guys the links. Maybe you guys could even test this on your environment | 13:10 |
| claudiub | agreed. Sounds like a plan. :) | 13:10 |
| claudiub | ok, anything else on this topic? any questions? | 13:10 |
| claudiub | i suppose not. moving on. | 13:11 |
| claudiub | #topic OVS Microsoft support statement | 13:11 |
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| claudiub | primeministerp: I hope you can help us on this topic. :) | 13:12 |
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| Sonu | claudiub: do we have a plan to get WHQL sign | 13:13 |
| Sonu | for the OVS port on Windows. | 13:13 |
| claudiub | Sonu: it's an interesting question. Would be nice, but I'm not the right person to answer this question. Still waiting for primeministerp's response. :) | 13:15 |
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| claudiub | hm, he was here when the meeting started. hopefully he will respond on this matter. We will return to this topic later then. Let's not get stuck. :) | 13:16 |
| claudiub | #topic Nova OVS vif status | 13:17 |
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| claudiub | so, I this refers to the ovs plug vif driver for the HyperVDriver. | 13:17 |
| atuvenie | well, the patches are updated to support live-migration | 13:17 |
| claudiub | any blockers on this? | 13:18 |
| atuvenie | there is a -1 from somebody. I posted a response on the patch. waiting to hear back | 13:18 |
| atuvenie | if it doesn't move soon, I will attempt to contact the reviewer on irc or mail | 13:19 |
| claudiub | well, I suppose you can ping him on irc. | 13:19 |
| claudiub | are there any other patches that will have to be up, other than the already existing 2? | 13:20 |
| claudiub | to add that live-migration support? | 13:20 |
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| Sonu | atuvenie: do we have any OVS neutron agent changes for hyper-v OVS | 13:20 |
| atuvenie | no, the live-migration support was ammended to an already existing patch | 13:20 |
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| atuvenie | sonu: neutron ovs was ported to windows since kilo | 13:21 |
| Sonu | great. | 13:21 |
| Sonu | Using WMI firewall driver with Hyper-V OVS is a supported scenario. | 13:22 |
| claudiub | nice. so, we'll have to review those patches. I'll make sure that they are on the nova mitaka priority list. | 13:22 |
| Sonu | The intention is to get VXLAN with Hyper-V | 13:22 |
| claudiub | Sonu: yep. | 13:23 |
| claudiub | any other questions on this matter? | 13:23 |
| Sonu | none from my side. | 13:23 |
| claudiub | ok. moving on. | 13:23 |
| claudiub | #topic performance enhancements | 13:24 |
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| kvinod | claudiub: we wanted some time to discuss on neutron blueprint | 13:24 |
| claudiub | sure. | 13:24 |
| kvinod | k, whenever you are done with your agenda | 13:25 |
| kvinod | we can discuss on it | 13:25 |
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| claudiub | so, pymi is going to replace wmi pretty soon. We've run tests in every project using pymi and it was all green. | 13:25 |
| claudiub | and I was wondering if you guys, Sonu and kvinod have tested it in your environments | 13:26 |
| Sonu | we are doing the test | 13:26 |
| claudiub | have you noticed any issues? how much did the overall performance improve in your envs? | 13:27 |
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| Sonu | we are yet to receive the result from our teams | 13:28 |
| Sonu | however, the prime purpose of the concurrency patch is not only to improve the performance, but also to support concurrent operations | 13:28 |
| claudiub | also, I should mention this, we have an approved blueprint on nova. It is the one that will implement "wait for neutron event" mechanism in the HyperVDriver. | 13:29 |
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| claudiub | basically, on instance spawn, before the VM is started, it will wait for the neutron ports to be bound first. | 13:29 |
| Sonu | imagine if the queue builds up, 'cz neutron agent have to handle updates as well, all in the same process. | 13:30 |
| Sonu | we have already implemented neutron notifier based VIF notif in nova | 13:30 |
| claudiub | Sonu: please let us know what the results are. It would also be great to gauge the performance difference between current hyper-v neutron agent + pymi and concurent binding hyper-v neutron agent + pymi. | 13:31 |
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| Sonu | claudiub: as I had said, the purpose of concurrency patch is to support concurrent users doing operations. | 13:32 |
| claudiub | also, I'm thinking that a greenpool might be an interesting alternative to explore as well. | 13:32 |
| Sonu | our intention was to use additional CPUs on the servers to do new port binding, while the updates will be handled in original process | 13:33 |
| Sonu | separation of new request handling, and update handling will be needed to support concurrency theme. | 13:34 |
| claudiub | I see. so, I'm gonig to test the blueprint as well and see how it goes. At the very least the implementation will have to be rebased. :) | 13:35 |
| Sonu | I am glad | 13:35 |
| kvinod | claudiub : I would suggest you also to take the concurrency patch sets and try on your setup. | 13:35 |
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| Sonu | On the same note, I will get you the results of PyMI tests we have run | 13:36 |
| claudiub | kvinod: yep, will do. although, it needs to be rebased, also, I think I have a concern on one of the patches. I don't remember if I added a comment on this, but it looked to me like ports were being processed twice. Will have to re-review. | 13:36 |
| claudiub | Sonu: excellent, thank you. :) | 13:37 |
| claudiub | anything else on this topic? | 13:38 |
| kvinod | ok, you can try out with latest path sets, I uploaded one more version after I sent out mail to you | 13:38 |
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| claudiub | ok, great. :) | 13:38 |
| claudiub | primeministerp: here, by any chance? | 13:38 |
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| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:39 |
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| claudiub | if you have any other topics you wish to discuss, now's the time. :) | 13:40 |
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| sonu_ | atuvenie: I was asking about this neutron patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67316/ | 13:41 |
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| atuvenie | sonu: that patch is abandoned for some time from what I see. I don't know anything about it. I will investigate | 13:42 |
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| sonu_ | in any case, I did not apply them on my setup. And basic use cases had so far worked for me | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | seems to be related to an OVS related firewall, if I'm understanding the commit message properly. | 13:45 |
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| claudiub | I don't think it affects HyperVSecurityGroupsDriver. | 13:45 |
| kvinod | claudiub: on your statement, on applying on you setup | 13:46 |
| sonu_ | thanks. | 13:46 |
| kvinod | the neutron patch that sonu_ mentioned | 13:46 |
| claudiub | kvinod: what about it? | 13:47 |
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| kvinod | you said you will try on your setup | 13:47 |
| sonu_ | vinod: you are referring to the neutron blue print | 13:47 |
| claudiub | anyways, alexpilotti: one topic remained undiscussed, the OVS Microsoft support statement one. Any ideas on this? | 13:47 |
| claudiub | kvinod: I will. :) | 13:48 |
| kvinod | yes | 13:48 |
| kvinod | it will be good to have some results in the next irc | 13:48 |
| kvinod | thanks | 13:48 |
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| claudiub | kvinod: sure. next meeting will be in 23th december. Will you be able to attend it? | 13:49 |
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| kvinod | Yes will try to log in | 13:49 |
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| kvinod | If not me Sonu will be there | 13:50 |
| claudiub | great. :) | 13:50 |
| sonu_ | sure | 13:50 |
| sonu_ | so open item is Microsoft support statement for OVS. | 13:51 |
| primeministerp | claudiub, we're going to need to get it signed, and certified | 13:51 |
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| claudiub | primeministerp: great. Any idea about when that is going to happen? | 13:52 |
| primeministerp | claudiub, I'll start a thread internally regarding the OVS support statement | 13:52 |
| primeministerp | claudiub, we would have to do it | 13:52 |
| primeministerp | claudiub, probably as part of the ovs ci | 13:52 |
| primeministerp | and build process | 13:52 |
| primeministerp | we'll also have to have some internal discussion i'm sure | 13:53 |
| primeministerp | I'll start that process now | 13:53 |
| primeministerp | as it usually moves pretty slow | 13:53 |
| claudiub | primeministerp: great, thank you! | 13:54 |
| primeministerp | np | 13:54 |
| claudiub | anything else folks? | 13:54 |
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| sonu_ | primeministerp, thanks. Would you say with OVS 2.5 we will have a singed driver | 13:54 |
| sonu_ | correction-signed | 13:55 |
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| lpetrut | for the record, here's the os-win side of the FC implementation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258512/ Note that there's a chain of a few patches, this is the last of them. I'm sending the Nova one as well | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | lpetrut: great, thanks! | 13:56 |
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| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258512/ | 13:56 |
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| sonu_ | thanks | 13:56 |
| claudiub | seems that ovs 2.5 should be released pretty soon. | 13:57 |
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| sonu_ | yes I am hoping | 13:57 |
| sonu_ | for OVS 2.5 will be out soon with conntrack | 13:57 |
| sonu_ | Thanks everyone. I have to logout. | 13:59 |
| claudiub | anyways, the end meeting time draws near. we will have to end it soon. | 13:59 |
| claudiub | so, thank you all for joining in! | 13:59 |
| sonu_ | can you send us the meeting notes | 13:59 |
| claudiub | see you next week! | 13:59 |
| sonu_ | bye | 13:59 |
| claudiub | they are automatically logged. | 13:59 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 13:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2015/hyper_v.2015-12-16-13.02.html | 13:59 |
| kvinod | bye | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2015/hyper_v.2015-12-16-13.02.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2015/hyper_v.2015-12-16-13.02.log.html | 13:59 |
| claudiub | here are the minutes. :) | 13:59 |
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| witek | hi, Roland is not there today | 15:01 |
| witek | rbak: would you like to start? | 15:01 |
| bklei_ | #startmeeting monasca | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 15:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bklei_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:02 |
| bklei_ | o\ | 15:02 |
| witek | hi bklei_ | 15:02 |
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| bklei_ | good morning! | 15:02 |
| witek | thank you for taking over | 15:02 |
| tgraichen | hi | 15:02 |
| bklei_ | agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
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| bklei_ | pretty light | 15:02 |
| witek | :) | 15:03 |
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| bklei_ | #topic Any updates on cassandra support? | 15:03 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:03 |
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| bmotz | o/ | 15:03 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:03 |
| bklei_ | anyone have an update on ^^? | 15:03 |
| ddieterly | there's a blueprint up for the data model | 15:03 |
| bklei_ | haven't heard much | 15:03 |
| ddieterly | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/monasca-cassandra | 15:04 |
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| ddieterly | expecting to have implementation done by end of Jan 2016 | 15:04 |
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| bklei_ | do we need feedback on the blueprint? | 15:04 |
| ddieterly | that would be appreciated | 15:04 |
| bklei_ | that's great, any sense on how it's performing? | 15:05 |
| bklei_ | or are we not that far in the implementation... | 15:06 |
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| ddieterly | need to implement it first :-) | 15:07 |
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| bklei_ | ok, cool, will look at the blueprint | 15:08 |
| ddieterly | if anyone knows anything about cassandra and can give the blueprint a critical look, that would be very helpful | 15:08 |
| bklei_ | looking forward to trying it, would like to start on our puppet module to install cassandra as soon as there's something to play with | 15:09 |
| bklei_ | anything else on that topic? | 15:09 |
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| ddieterly | since we are new to cassandra, we could use some babysitting | 15:09 |
| bklei_ | well, twc can help with testing for sure, and giving perf/stability feedback | 15:10 |
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| bklei_ | very interested in how it performs concurrently | 15:10 |
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| ddieterly | the implementation will be in python, so please factor that into your expectations for performance | 15:11 |
| bklei_ | sure | 15:11 |
| bklei_ | you working on it? | 15:11 |
| ddieterly | yes | 15:11 |
| bklei_ | then it'll be perfect | 15:11 |
| ddieterly | ah, shucks... | 15:11 |
| bklei_ | ok, next topic | 15:11 |
| bklei_ | #topic Grafana 2.0 update | 15:12 |
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| bklei_ | rbak, any updates? | 15:12 |
| rbak | Only a couple | 15:12 |
| rbak | I added some new features to the plugin to help with dimension splitting | 15:12 |
| rbak | You can find descriptions in the blueprint or the plugin. | 15:13 |
| rbak | And I'm starting to free up enough to start working on the keystone integration. | 15:13 |
| tgraichen | cool | 15:13 |
| rbak | I'm off for the next couple weeks but hopefully I'll have an update for that in January. | 15:13 |
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| rbak | That's it for me. | 15:14 |
| witek | Is horizon integration planed? | 15:14 |
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| rbak | Depends on what you mean. | 15:14 |
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| witek | integration with monasca-ui | 15:15 |
| rbak | It should be launchable from inside horizon, but I don't thinks it's realistic to display grafana within horizon. | 15:15 |
| witek | ok | 15:16 |
| rbak | It would just add another border that would reduce the space for viewing the graphs. | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | you think we'll get single sign on rbak? | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | token passing... | 15:16 |
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| rbak | Not sure about that yet. | 15:16 |
| rbak | I hope so. | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | ditto | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | baby steps maybe | 15:17 |
| bklei_ | or if you get the keystone plugin working, maybe witek can pitch in with sso | 15:17 |
| rbak | The difficulty is that if we want sso and grafana to not stop working when the token expires, we'll have to pass the username/password | 15:18 |
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| bklei_ | hopefully not in clear text | 15:18 |
| rbak | definitely not in clear text | 15:18 |
| bklei_ | yeah, giving grafana the ability to stay logged in would be great | 15:19 |
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| rbak | We should be able to do that. The question is if we can do that with sso. | 15:19 |
| bklei_ | gotcha | 15:20 |
| bklei_ | other discussion on 2.0 grafana? | 15:21 |
| bklei_ | or any other topics? that's it for the agenda | 15:21 |
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| pradipm | May I please ask a simple, novice query related to the setup of monasca through vagrant? If this is possible here to ask | 15:22 |
| bklei_ | ok, with me, we're out of things to discuss | 15:23 |
| ddieterly | i was wondering if any progress on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226733/ was planned | 15:23 |
| witek | oh, that's Tomasz | 15:23 |
| ddieterly | looks like some tempest tests are failing | 15:24 |
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| witek | ddieterly: :( | 15:25 |
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| witek | I'll tell Tomasz to take a look | 15:25 |
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| ddieterly | ok, thanks | 15:25 |
| pradipm | may I proceed with my query, if allowed? | 15:25 |
| bklei_ | go | 15:25 |
| pradipm | After the vagrant setup, how can one changes the Monasca code and then re-run the same to deploy to the vagrant mini-mon? | 15:26 |
| ddieterly | pradipm: good question | 15:26 |
| pradipm | like in other OS services, I can just restart the service and it's get started automatically | 15:27 |
| ddieterly | you need to login into the vm using 'vagrant ssh' | 15:27 |
| ddieterly | then, make your code changes in the /opt/monasca-api repo or whatever repo you want to change | 15:27 |
| ddieterly | then you can run the devstack commands from inside the vm to tear down devstack and then rebuild devstack | 15:28 |
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| ddieterly | since you already have the repos inside the vm, devstack will not overwrite them | 15:28 |
| pradipm | thanks ddieterly. | 15:29 |
| ddieterly | welcome | 15:29 |
| bklei_ | i had one more | 15:29 |
| pradipm | Inside the /opt/monasca/ - I can see the *.jar files. | 15:29 |
| bklei_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241906/ looks good to me code-wise, haven't had time to test, can m hoppal take a look? | 15:30 |
| ddieterly | pradipm: are you using mini-mon or devstack | 15:30 |
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| pradipm | ddieterly: I am inside mini-mon | 15:30 |
| ddieterly | if you are using mini-mon, you will have to copy jars into mini-mon and restart the services | 15:30 |
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| ddieterly | so, copying is easy | 15:31 |
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| pradipm | ddieterly: So inside mini-mon it's Java, whereas inside "devstack" VM it is python implementation of monasca components? | 15:32 |
| ddieterly | if you are using mini-mon then /vagrant_home is mapped to your home folder in the host OS, so copying is easy | 15:32 |
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| ddieterly | devstack can use java or python, but devstack checks out all the repos and builds the components from top of tree | 15:33 |
| ddieterly | mini-mon currently uses java and uses jars from a repo | 15:33 |
| pradipm | ddieterly: I see. So that checking out includes Monasca components too? | 15:34 |
| ddieterly | yes, all the components | 15:34 |
| pradipm | ddieterly: Then one can just play it inside the "devstack" VM itself like any other OS services. ... (screen -x etc. etc.) | 15:34 |
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| ddieterly | yes | 15:35 |
| pradipm | ddieterly: Thank You very much. | 15:35 |
| pradipm | thanks a lot to the moderator also for giving me permission to ask my queries. | 15:35 |
| bklei_ | np, i'm a temp | 15:36 |
| bklei_ | so wondering about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241906/ | 15:36 |
| ddieterly | have a look at https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/tree/master/devstack | 15:36 |
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| bklei_ | pradipm: plug for devstack, in my opinion, easier than mini-mon, but that's just me | 15:37 |
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| pradipm | ddieterly: thank you. just like another (bunch) of services like Cinder,Manilla etc. | 15:39 |
| ddieterly | yes | 15:39 |
| ddieterly | the vagrant file is the easies thing to use | 15:39 |
| pradipm | bklei_: thanks. | 15:40 |
| bklei_ | np -- is hoppal around? | 15:40 |
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| bklei_ | perhaps not, hoping to get other eyes on the alarm def modification change | 15:42 |
| bklei_ | will ping him offline | 15:42 |
| bklei_ | ok, anything else to discuss? | 15:42 |
| bklei_ | i'll be out for a couple weeks, likely others | 15:43 |
| ddieterly | yea, i'm out for the next 2 weeks as well | 15:43 |
| bklei_ | sounds like rhochmuth is too | 15:43 |
| witek | me as well | 15:43 |
| pradipm | ddieterly: If I follow https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/tree/master/devstack - then the Monasca components and the other devstack service will/might run on the same VM (say very simple setup). Right am I? | 15:44 |
| bklei_ | sounds like we skip, unless someone else grabs the reigns | 15:44 |
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| ddieterly | right | 15:45 |
| ddieterly | just run 'vagrant up' | 15:45 |
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| pradipm | ddieterly: thanks | 15:45 |
| ddieterly | bklei_: yes, let's skip | 15:46 |
| bklei_ | agreed, not sure the formal process for cancelling an irc weekly | 15:46 |
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| ddieterly | we can just let it run | 15:46 |
| ddieterly | if anyone wants to jump in and use the meeting, they can | 15:47 |
| witek | i think Roland should write an email on mailing list | 15:47 |
| bklei_ | +1 | 15:47 |
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| ddieterly | roland is out for the next 3 weeks | 15:47 |
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| bklei_ | what's the email alias? i forget | 15:48 |
| ddieterly | well, this week and the next 2 | 15:48 |
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| ddieterly | i can email him and tell him to cancel | 15:49 |
| witek | monasca@lists.launchpad.net | 15:49 |
| bklei_ | thx #witek | 15:49 |
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| bklei_ | pradipm: can use ^^ email to get questions answered too | 15:50 |
| bklei_ | as well as #openstack-monasca channel | 15:50 |
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| bklei_ | ok, other topics? | 15:51 |
| pradipm | Thanks bklei_. We are in #openstack-monasca and shall query on monasca@lists.launchpad.net (if required). Thanks a lot. | 15:51 |
| bklei_ | cool, thx ddieterly for fielding questions | 15:51 |
| ddieterly | sure | 15:51 |
| bklei_ | ok, last call | 15:52 |
| bklei_ | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 15:52:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-12-16-15.02.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-12-16-15.02.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-12-16-15.02.log.html | 15:52 |
| witek | see you next year | 15:52 |
| bklei_ | merry christmas everyone! | 15:52 |
| witek | merry christmas | 15:52 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 15:53 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 16:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
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| eglute | Hello everyone, raise your hand if you are here for defcore meeting | 16:00 |
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| Cdiep | O/， | 16:00 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:00 |
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| mfisher_ora | o/ | 16:01 |
| purp | \o | 16:01 |
| purp | o/ | 16:01 |
| purp | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| eglute | markvoelker and hogepodge will be either lurking or attending later due to conflicts | 16:01 |
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| eglute | this will be our last meeting of the year! We will resume on January 6th | 16:02 |
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| dwalleck | o/ (dumb network) | 16:03 |
| zehicle | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | #chair zehicle | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute zehicle | 16:03 |
| eglute | #topic TC resolution | 16:03 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256438/ | 16:03 |
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| eglute | TC has discussed the issue we had been talking about for the last month (but it does feel like a lot longer) | 16:04 |
| eglute | and they have a very strong opinion | 16:05 |
| dwalleck | They say Linux, but which Linux? :-) | 16:06 |
| * purp reads latest draft | 16:06 | |
| rockyg | It *is* getting a little bit more nuanced, though | 16:06 |
| zehicle | so, does the TC plan make matching tests to validate these positions? | 16:07 |
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| eglute | zehicle great question! | 16:07 |
| eglute | calling mordred | 16:07 |
| eglute | i think right now we do not even have image upload | 16:07 |
| dwalleck | eglute: There are definitely image upload tests | 16:08 |
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| eglute | dwalleck i mean in the current guideline | 16:08 |
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| dwalleck | And there is an existing "upload and boot test", but it may not be specific enough for the task | 16:08 |
| dwalleck | eglute: Ahh, my mistake | 16:08 |
| eglute | but it will be advisory in the next one i believe | 16:08 |
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| markvoelker | So I think the position of at least some of the TC is that existing tests already actually provide for these. | 16:09 |
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| markvoelker | E.g. the tests in the flag request only run on a linux userland, there are image upload tests as advisory in 2016.01, etc. | 16:09 |
| mfisher_ora | Anything using the current remote_client library to run the tests would implicitly require the target VMs to be lilnux | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | There is probably room for more specificity via more tests, but what's there might be a reasonable "MVP". | 16:10 |
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| dwalleck | markvoelker: There are upload tests in the spec, but I don't think there is a targeted upload and boot | 16:10 |
| eglute | mfisher_ora correct, TC in their resolution are requiring Linux kernel | 16:10 |
| dwalleck | mfisher_ora: And not just Linux, but specific distros | 16:11 |
| mfisher_ora | I saw, I'm just saying that there's already some mechanisms in place | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker | dwalleck: I could be wrong, but I think I recall a test or two that combine upload and boot together into one test. | 16:11 |
| dwalleck | I'm very certain I can find a distro that does not work with the existing remote client implementation | 16:11 |
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| mfisher_ora | Whether its a problem or not, but other distros (and even solaris) can pass SOME of those tests (eg: hostname is the same on linux, solaris, etc) | 16:11 |
| dwalleck | That's why I worry about saying Linux generically | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | I'd suggest that folks take the "specific distro" question to the TC review if they're concerned about it. | 16:12 |
| eglute | dwalleck and mfisher_ora i think you can also comment on their resolution in gerritt, so that your comments do not get lost | 16:12 |
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| rockyg | Tje TC discussion seemed to indicate it would be fine if the vendor could boot linux and then restricted the users by turning off the option | 16:13 |
| eglute | that would not be really interop then, since what would the point be of having it, saying you have it, and then turning it off? | 16:14 |
| rockyg | So, if you look at the discussion yesterday, it would be worth asking those questions on the review itself. | 16:14 |
| eglute | We also presented this issue to the board a couple weeks ago. This was before the TC resolution. | 16:14 |
| * purp agrees. | 16:14 | |
| rockyg | Because cloud vendors can limit access to what they want to sell. Distros, though would have to have the ability | 16:14 |
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| purp | (with rockyg) | 16:14 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: I think the key point there is that the product that is getting an OpenStack Powered mark must at least give customers an option to turn on image upload | 16:15 |
| mordred | eglute: heya! | 16:15 |
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| markvoelker | If an individual deployment of that product chooses to turn that off, fine. The individual deployment isn't seeking a mark. | 16:15 |
| zehicle | the simple solution is to offer an OpenStack implementation that has both capabilities. that would pass test and offer specialized function. that's always been OK | 16:15 |
| eglute | mordred we are talking about TC resolution | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | (see comments on the patch for more discussion of that) | 16:15 |
| mordred | woot | 16:15 |
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| rockyg | markvoelker, not true. Most public clouds are tested and right now, I think to get a new public cloud listeed in Market, it needs to pass the tests | 16:16 |
| mordred | rockyg: I disagree with your statement above | 16:16 |
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| zehicle | ultimately, either we need tests that implement the TC solution _or_ we need to change the process | 16:16 |
| eglute | we have also proposed a solution of listing in the marketplace which OSs particular OpenStack product supports | 16:16 |
| mordred | I do NOT think that a vendor disabling the ability to boot linux would be in the spirit of the requirement | 16:16 |
| purp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.6 agenda (better late than never) | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: in the case of public cluods, the public cloud IS the product though. In the case of a private cloud, those are usually deployments of a product. | 16:17 |
| mordred | openstack provides machines to users - there is no good reason that a user sohuld not be able to run things on that machine | 16:17 |
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| mordred | for a private cloud _deployment_ the admin of that cloud can do whatever - but the admin of that cloud also does not need to pass defcore in any way | 16:18 |
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| mordred | for a public cloud, if it wants OpenStack Powered, the resolutoin is asserting that the cloud needs to have image upload and that the cloud needs to not arbitrarily limit the os's the user can upload and run | 16:19 |
| eglute | mfisher_ora for Oracle cloud, are you looking for private cloud solutions or as-a-service? | 16:19 |
| mfisher_ora | mordred: according to what was said 3 or 4 meetings ago, yes they would | 16:19 |
| mordred | so that if a user wants to upload a HaikuOS image, they can | 16:19 |
| zehicle | mordred, true. this is what the vendor offers. that's why the suggestion to handle it w/ the Foundation marketplace listing | 16:19 |
| mfisher_ora | since 'anyone should be able to run defcore against any cloud' | 16:19 |
| zehicle | mfisher_ora, yes. we have that to hold vendors accountable | 16:19 |
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| * purp chuckles at the HaikuOS reference. | 16:19 | |
| rockyg | So, question. Like some states that don't allow alcohol sales, if you join a "club", you can buy alcohol there. Could someone put up a private cloud and allow people to join the club that is windows powered by OpenStack? | 16:19 |
| mfisher_ora | eglute: our concern isn't for an Oracle cloud at the moment, its for providing OpenStack in Solaris 11 and 12 | 16:20 |
| mordred | right. they can run it. but if it does not allow uploading arbitrary os images to the cloud that the user can run, the TC resolution is asserting that they should not pass it | 16:20 |
| zehicle | mfisher_ora, is the user made the knowing choice to disable a feature, then it should be OK w/ them | 16:20 |
| mfisher_ora | so people can set up clouds using openstack using Solaris | 16:20 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit will be offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 16:20 | |
| mordred | this, btw, is the potential TC position - there are obviously other inputs that defcore must consider - but it's becomming quite clear in the TC that a cloud that does not at least offer VMs is not a thing we'd like to have the name openstack on | 16:21 |
| mordred | if that cloud runs on solaris, or if it runs images that have solaris in them - that's awesome | 16:21 |
| eglute | ok, in this case, user can setup their own cloud using solaris, but unless they want the logo, they do not need to certify it. | 16:21 |
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| mfisher_ora | certification is what I was told to go after :) | 16:21 |
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| eglute | mfisher_ora your product would still be able to pass the certification though, no? | 16:24 |
| leecalcote | by requiring the ability to allow users to upload arbitrary images, what mechanisms are in place to inspect images for devious things or significant security issues (or prevent them from being uploaded)? | 16:24 |
| mfisher_ora | In its current state, no | 16:24 |
| eglute | leecalcote that is excellent question. | 16:25 |
| eglute | and right now, not a lot is in place. | 16:25 |
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| leecalcote | to ensure a good user experience, does the upload mechanism verify or guarantee an image will run? if not, is requiring a public cloud provider to provide a potentially poor user experience a good thing? | 16:26 |
| mfisher_ora | there are three tests we can never pass in the current guidelines because they use CLI commands that Solaris does not support (getting partitions and vcpu count). The solaris commands are different, so those tests fail when the command errors | 16:26 |
| eglute | I would suggest flagging the upload images test for the reasons you listed | 16:26 |
| mfisher_ora | ....I did | 16:26 |
| mfisher_ora | :) | 16:26 |
| mfisher_ora | That's exactly the patch I put in that started this mess | 16:26 |
| eglute | mfisher_ora yes, but not for the reasons leecalcote listed | 16:26 |
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| markvoelker | leecalcote: That question has been discussed a bit as well. So for example, at least one person has suggested that in, say, a public cloud, image upload (and pretty much everything else of consequence) be disabled until the user in question has undergone some sort of "this is a valid user and not a fradulent account created for the purpose of creating botnets" sort of screening to be defined by the provider | 16:27 |
| mordred | right. but only one of the 18 current public clouds restricts that today | 16:27 |
| mordred | scuse me - 2 | 16:27 |
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| markvoelker | Things like that don't actually fall afoul of the intent discussed thus far, because presumably every cloud has some level on onboarding and once you're onboard, the capabilties are exposed to you | 16:28 |
| mordred | clouds that _don't_ have it are the bad user experience today. now, that being said - there are TONS of improvements that can be made to glance to address leecalcote's concerns | 16:28 |
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| leecalcote | seems like an opportunity for a new project - image scanning (this applies to container images as well). | 16:28 |
| rockyg | I suspect that Huawei's doesn't, either. But it's not listed on the market, because it's still not passing all tests. Don't tell Huawei I said that. | 16:28 |
| rockyg | They're working on it. | 16:28 |
| mordred | but yeah - I agree with markvoelker - I don't think the current RAX and HP user vetting runs afoul of this resolution | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | leecalcote: you should have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ as well as there was some discussion around this sort of thing there | 16:28 |
| leecalcote | markvoelker: good deal. will do. | 16:29 |
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| mordred | eglute: I do not suggest that mfisher_ora flag the tests because of the linux CLI commands. that's one of the other things the resolution is trying to make clear | 16:29 |
| mordred | it is impossible for openstack to accept a patch that fixes the concern stated | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | An important thing to remember though: whatever mechanisms eventually get into place around that sort of thing need to be market-accepted before they can be considered for an interoperability standard. | 16:30 |
| mordred | so it is a wontfix | 16:30 |
| eglute | mordred which part is wontfix? | 16:30 |
| mordred | we're trying to make it very clear that, since we do not accept as valid a cloud that is unable to run linux, we will not accept a patch that replaces linux commands to test the inbound interfaces with something else | 16:30 |
| mordred | since it is 100% impossible for us to land the patch that would add that ability | 16:31 |
| mordred | since we cannot tet it | 16:31 |
| mordred | test it | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | (so, for example, if Glance changes the import process to allow some sort of security scanning before an image becomes available, that capability has to become widely deployed before we'll consider it) | 16:31 |
| mordred | but it is totally possible for any cloud that provides vms to run linux on those vms | 16:31 |
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| mordred | so any cloud can pass the tests by uploading a linux image and using it to verify the inbound interfaces | 16:31 |
| eglute | mordred so, what you are saying, tempest should test only linux guests? and ignore all other OSs even if people write tests to test Windows, Solaris, etc? | 16:32 |
| mordred | and since there are no restrictions on who can run a linux image, running a linux image in a vm is not an undue burden to expect someone to do | 16:32 |
| mordred | eglute: it can never test solaris or windows guests | 16:32 |
| mfisher_ora | mordred: these tests test nothing except that the instance brought up has certain attributes in the instance itself, by running a CLI command. Why would supplying a different remote client be an issue on that? | 16:32 |
| mordred | because those are not open source | 16:32 |
| mordred | it is not possible to commit non-open source code to openstack repos | 16:32 |
| mordred | mfisher_ora: because we can't test it | 16:32 |
| mordred | so the patch to tempest would be untestable -we would have no way of verifying that it's a valid test | 16:33 |
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| rockyg | What about BSD? It would have the same issue | 16:33 |
| mfisher_ora | everyone not-linux would have the same issue | 16:33 |
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| mordred | we could do bsd | 16:33 |
| mordred | we can test bsd in the gate | 16:33 |
| rockyg | But, it would fail those tests | 16:33 |
| mordred | if someone made a patch that added support for using a bsd guest - it's testable | 16:34 |
| mordred | it would | 16:34 |
| * purp notes that we're ~halfway through the meeting time. | 16:34 | |
| leecalcote | mordred: can Tempest use closed-source binaries to execute tests as an alternative? | 16:34 |
| mordred | no | 16:34 |
| mordred | it cannot | 16:34 |
| mordred | because that patch would not be testable/runnable by our infrastructure or our community | 16:34 |
| eglute | leecalcote and mfisher_ora would Oracle open source appropriate solaris bits? | 16:34 |
| mordred | patches to tempest to add support for alternate commands on bsd guests _would_ be testable and runable by our community | 16:34 |
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| markvoelker | I think one of the things mordred is trying to get across here is that it's important that we think of DefCore-required tests not just in the context of running RefStack for certification, but as gate tests that run on every commit | 16:35 |
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| markvoelker | Because we want interoperable features to never get broken | 16:35 |
| mordred | markvoelker: ++ | 16:35 |
| mfisher_ora | eglute: extremely doubtful. My alternative question is, if Oracle provided CI, would that be enough to add solaris remote_client | 16:35 |
| eglute | that is an excellent point. | 16:35 |
| eglute | mfisher_ora i am guessing that would not be acceptable either based on what mordred is saying | 16:36 |
| rockyg | thirdparty CI? | 16:36 |
| mtreinish | mfisher_ora: no it honestly wouldn't be | 16:36 |
| mfisher_ora | okay | 16:36 |
| mordred | mfisher_ora: MAYBE - it would be up to the QA team if they were willing to take on the burden of carrying those patches in the tree with them only being able to be tested in a 3rd party ci | 16:36 |
| mordred | my gut tells me it would be a hard sell | 16:36 |
| mordred | ah - there's mtreinish :) | 16:36 |
| mordred | my gut doesn't have to make guesses | 16:37 |
| anteaya | I haven't seen any third party ci setup reliable enough for the community to feel it can get behind | 16:37 |
| mfisher_ora | I know we're working on a CI infrastructure similar to what Peter at MS set up, but that's non trivial at the moment | 16:37 |
| rockyg | What about changing the tests to be OS agnostic? So BSD could verify a guest? Or Solaris Or Windows? | 16:37 |
| mtreinish | mfisher_ora: the one thing we've discussed is making the remote client a stable plugin interface. But that interface is no where near ready for external consumption | 16:37 |
| mtreinish | that's realisitcally not something we can even start planning for/discussing until next cycle | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: again, the question isn't really whether the test can be altered to be more OS-agnostic, it's whether that can be done AND run in the gate. | 16:38 |
| mfisher_ora | mtreinish: I talked with dwalleck about that, I thought it sounded like a good idea and I'd like to get to that when things aren't a madhouse here | 16:38 |
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| mtreinish | mfisher_ora: sure, it's definitely something we can have a real discussion about. But there is pre-req work that needs to be done first | 16:39 |
| mfisher_ora | absolutely | 16:39 |
| mtreinish | and that's still in the spec review stage | 16:39 |
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| eglute | mtreinish is that something that Oracle can help you with? | 16:40 |
| * hogepodge lurking | 16:41 | |
| eglute | in any case, we spent 2/3 of our meeting on one topic. | 16:41 |
| mtreinish | eglute: they can participate via the normal community contribution methods. Review, submissions, ml, irc meetings, etc. | 16:41 |
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| mtreinish | which mfisher_ora has been doing | 16:41 |
| rockyg | me flashes hogepodge a gang sign | 16:41 |
| eglute | mtreinish glad to hear it! | 16:41 |
| rockyg | So, what happens to those tests, then? | 16:42 |
| eglute | unless there are other strong opinions that have not been voiced yet, I would like to move to the next topic | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | eglute: ++ | 16:42 |
| zehicle | it appears that me that positions have gotten entrenched around this question | 16:43 |
| * markvoelker is happy to continue conversing on this in #openstack-defcore after too, btw | 16:43 | |
| eglute | #topic Flag tests requiring multiple tenants and users | 16:43 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253138/1 | 16:43 |
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| markvoelker | Oh, I never did put comments on that one... | 16:44 |
| eglute | this another issue where tests were not made for defcore, but rather for testing. | 16:44 |
| * markvoelker puts it on to-do list | 16:44 | |
| rockyg | I am in agreement with hogepodge's research and proposal | 16:44 |
| rockyg | I'll comment shortly | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | I am unconvinced that the cost is worth the benefit at this stage, though I'd be ok with discussing individual tests. | 16:44 |
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| eglute | markvoelker which costs? spending on spinning up clouds or re-writing tests? | 16:45 |
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| rockyg | eglute, ++ | 16:46 |
| eglute | we do not have a ton of tests in defcore in any case, I would be hesitant to flag these just because of the cost of testing | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | eglute: striking a very large number of tests and capabilities and thereby reducing the capabilities people can rely on | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | For starters: | 16:46 |
| zehicle | +1 we need to be protective of the tests we have | 16:46 |
| rockyg | Could we require of vendors but not individual users? Let users skip them? | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | The rationale around cost here mainly applies to public clouds. While those are very important, note that 62% of openstack clouds in the last user survey are private clouds which generally do not cause a user to incur similar costs | 16:47 |
| eglute | I am all for protecting. If we can get better tests in addition, that would be great as well | 16:47 |
| eglute | rockyg this is really an issue for a third party that wants to verify someone else's test results | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | So, while I'm in favor of working towards tests that require less resources, I'm not sure it's worth striking down this many tests/capabilities today. | 16:48 |
| leecalcote | It may be good to account for tenancy/isolation in Defcore by referencing a set of separate security tests. | 16:48 |
| eglute | if I am testing my own public cloud, I have to pay myself. Hopefully I give myself a really good discount. | 16:49 |
| eglute | markvoelker i agree | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | I'll also point out that to date I have heard zero complaints from the community about the cost of independently verifying compliance. That doesn't mean such sentiment doesn't exist, but might indicate at least that it's not a huge concern yet. | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | I'd like for us to think about testability as a criteria in scoring, so we can have a better idea of resource requirements beforehand | 16:50 |
| rockyg | We can group the tests together as a subset. Then thirdparties can easily say "this feature not tested" | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | So again: work toward reducing cost, but not sure it's worth weakening interop requirements to this degree | 16:50 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:50 |
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| zehicle | is the cost of running the tests really a factor? | 16:50 |
| leecalcote | There's no defcore/refstack requirement for third-party audit when testing a cloud, right? | 16:51 |
| rockyg | And what would be our threshold for costs? | 16:51 |
| rockyg | leecalcote, right | 16:51 |
| rockyg | So far. | 16:51 |
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| hogepodge | my patch is very large, I think that set can be winnowed significantly. Initially it was meant to drive discussion. | 16:51 |
| leecalcote | Isn't the expectation that clouds will be self-testing? | 16:51 |
| purp | This was the one where I was hoping that we'd focus on sponsorship via a fee for using the trademark vs. cost-optimizations at this level | 16:51 |
| zehicle | if running the tests ensures that my cloud automation keeps working, then that seems like a reasonable investment for users/operators | 16:51 |
| * purp also didn't comment on the review as he said he would. | 16:51 | |
| leecalcote | rather, that companies will be testing their own clouds and submitting results. | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | catherineD's work in refstack has a huge opportunity to mitigate some of this costs too, as we can have a subset of the guideline that indivuduals can test | 16:52 |
| eglute | leecalcote yes, right now it is self testing and self reporting. hogepodge wants to be able to test clouds independently | 16:52 |
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| rockyg | hogepodge, that's what I was trying to say ;-) | 16:53 |
| eglute | if everyone could comment on the patch after the meeting, that would be really helpful. We have only 7 min left for other topics. | 16:53 |
| eglute | #action everyone comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253138/1 | 16:53 |
| eglute | #topic Remove "cannot flag all tests in a capability" clause | 16:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove "cannot flag all tests in a capability" clause (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:53 | |
| hogepodge | rockyg: split brain here. ;-) | 16:53 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234824/ | 16:53 |
| leecalcote | eglute, that makes sense. hogepodge, is this desire driven by the fact that refstack result submitters can doctor the results before submitting? | 16:53 |
| eglute | This is once again an issue of protecting tests | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: ...which I'm fairly unconvinced that clause does in any way. =) | 16:54 |
| eglute | while markvoelker suggests that if this guideline does not have teeth, we should remove it, I argue that it could be used as teeth and we should keep it, at least for now :) | 16:55 |
| zehicle | leecalcote, the expectation is that it's so easy and embarasing to catch that it's not worth the risk' | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | eglute: even though we've violated it more than once ourselves already? | 16:55 |
| leecalcote | zehicle: gotcha | 16:55 |
| eglute | markvoelker it is for vendors, not for the committee, so i would argue that we have not violated it | 16:56 |
| rockyg | ++ | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | My point here is really just that I don't think DefCore would accept a patch that flags all tests in a capability unless there was a really good reason to do so. | 16:56 |
| eglute | I view this as discouragement for vendors to flag all the things. | 16:56 |
| zehicle | eglute, that was the intent | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | So it seems sort of ridiculous to tell people they can't submit a flag request that might be totally valid. | 16:56 |
| eglute | right, since we would not accept it, we also have a documented reason why we would not accept it | 16:56 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, the thinking was to stop VENDORS from doing it. DefCore can do it if needed. | 16:56 |
| zehicle | I agree that we are not likely to do it blindly so the protection is less needed that we thought in drafting the process | 16:57 |
| eglute | if it is needed would be more of an exception | 16:57 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: I'll point out that DefCore has no formal membership requirements and most of it's participants also work for vendors | 16:57 |
| markvoelker | So that provision seems sort of toothless too | 16:57 |
| rockyg | And, it's unlikely DefCore would accept a whole class of tests that break a bunch of vendors | 16:57 |
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| zehicle | markvoelker, maybe toothless but is it causing harm? | 16:57 |
| rockyg | It requires two board members | 16:57 |
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| zehicle | I don't see the urgency to remove the restriction | 16:58 |
| zehicle | I do see the need to expect that capabilities have >1 test hoever | 16:58 |
| eglute | I agree with zehicle, I think we should leave it as is | 16:58 |
| catherineD | Vendors are the ones who run real tests ... They may discover something that DefCore/RefStack do not know about .. so they should be able to voice the flag issues | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | If it's hindering discussion about potentially very valid reasons for flagging tests, or requireing vendors to jump through the extra hoop of convincing us to submit the patch for them? Yes, it is. | 16:58 |
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| eglute | +1 on more tests | 16:58 |
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| markvoelker | I want to make the DefCore process more approachable for everyone. Provisions like this feel like they just add red tape. | 16:59 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, fundamentally I don't really object to removing it since I agree on the humans having judgement | 16:59 |
| rockyg | Interesting. The two required members are both -1 on the proposal. Hmmm. | 16:59 |
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| eglute | markvoelker have you heard of someone being stopped by this guideline? | 16:59 |
| rockyg | Boy, zehicle, you have a rosy view of humanity;-) | 17:00 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: yes, it was brought up in conversation of one of the earilier reviews that flagged all capabilities for a test...which we ultimately allowed anwyay | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | I'd have to dig for the specific mention | 17:00 |
| eglute | I trust in humanity, good will, and common sense. I vote for leaving if for now | 17:00 |
| eglute | we are also out of time. | 17:00 |
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| eglute | If I could ask everyone to review and comment on other outstanding issues, that would be great holiday gift to defcore | 17:01 |
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| eglute | please review other issues as listed here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.6 | 17:01 |
| * markvoelker reminds folks that there's no meeting next week...happy holidays | 17:01 | |
| rockyg | egallen_, ++ | 17:01 |
| rockyg | sorry eglute | 17:02 |
| rockyg | ++ | 17:02 |
| eglute | thanks everyone, and happy holidays! we will meet again on January 6th | 17:02 |
| zehicle | happy new year. happy to have 1x1 discussions if people want to reach out | 17:02 |
| purp | Happy hollydaze, folks! | 17:02 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| zehicle | (not right now -- next week | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 17:02:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-12-16-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-12-16-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-12-16-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
| rockyg | Peace on Earth | 17:02 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 17:02:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| purp | Piece of earth. =] | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:02 |
| leecalcote | Goodwill towards people | 17:03 |
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| alaski | anyone around for the cells meeting? | 17:03 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 17:03 |
| doffm | o/ | 17:03 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 17:03 |
| * rlrossit lurks in the shadows | 17:03 | |
| alaski | heh, new faces | 17:03 |
| doffm | I warned you ") | 17:03 |
| alaski | :) | 17:04 |
| alaski | none of the regulars showed up this week though | 17:04 |
| alaski | so this'll be quick | 17:04 |
| alaski | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaCellsv2 | 17:04 |
| alaski | #topic cells testing | 17:04 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 17:04 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cells testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:04 | |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Gerrit is offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html" | 17:04 | |
| alaski | melwitt normally provides the update here | 17:04 |
| alaski | but it's been quite on this front for a bit now | 17:04 |
| alaski | *quiet | 17:05 |
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| alaski | I guess I should call out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225199/ | 17:05 |
| mriedem | the link doesn't work for the cells v1 testing, | 17:05 |
| mriedem | but i haven't heard of any issues with the cells v1 job | 17:05 |
| alaski | huh, looks like logstash was upgraded | 17:06 |
| alaski | #action alaski redo the cellsv1 testing link | 17:06 |
| * bauzas waves super late | 17:06 | |
| mriedem | you just noticed that? | 17:06 |
| mriedem | :P | 17:06 |
| mriedem | graphite is probably a better indicator of the job status anyway | 17:06 |
| mriedem | i could dig up those links | 17:07 |
| bauzas | mriedem: we can also ask grafana to be updated | 17:07 |
| alaski | heh, I should probably look at logstash more. but you and bauzas do such a great job dissemenating info | 17:07 |
| mriedem | one question i had about cells v2 + testing, | 17:07 |
| alaski | mriedem: okay, that would be great | 17:07 |
| mriedem | was are we at any place today where we could start some very trivial job | 17:07 |
| mriedem | like just making sure things setup and start properly | 17:07 |
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| mriedem | or what is the criteria before we can do something interesting in a CI job for cells v21? | 17:08 |
| mriedem | *v2 | 17:08 |
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| alaski | mriedem: if everything works as plans then non-cells turns into cellsv2 mostly without anyone noticing | 17:08 |
| alaski | so I don't think we'll need a separate job | 17:09 |
| mriedem | oh right | 17:09 |
| alaski | there may be some devstack updates to make sure the nova-api db is up and running and new things are configured though | 17:09 |
| mriedem | which would also give us neutron | 17:09 |
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| alaski | yeah | 17:09 |
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| mriedem | so things like neutron callbacks should implicitly work with cells v2? | 17:09 |
| alaski | yes | 17:10 |
| bauzas | mriedem: alaski: yup, I feel that should be mostly grenade changes without really needing new tempest coveragre | 17:10 |
| bauzas | (hopefully) | 17:10 |
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| alaski | mriedem: there's going to be a routing layer to send api requests to the right cell for an instance, but it'll be used by default. and no having to add new calls to it | 17:11 |
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| alaski | any more on testing? | 17:12 |
| alaski | #topic Open reviews | 17:12 |
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| alaski | this is mostly just advertising https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:12 |
| alaski | there are some cells patches up there, and any news ones should be added there | 17:12 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:13 |
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| doffm | As well as reviews is it worth me trying my hand at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cells-scheduling-interaction? | 17:13 |
| doffm | I would need some assistance at first / questions about spec. | 17:13 |
| alaski | sure | 17:14 |
| melwitt | I did some work to make see how we can get coverage of ssh verification in our tempest job and then found out someone else already did the same thing (tempest config option for secgroups) | 17:14 |
| alaski | doffm: I just posted a patch to start it off, but we can certainly collaborate on the spec | 17:14 |
| melwitt | gerrit's not working for me right now, I want to link the patch | 17:14 |
| doffm | alaski: Sounds good. | 17:14 |
| alaski | melwitt: gerrit is upgrading atm | 17:14 |
| rlrossit | melwitt: gerrit be down for the next 4 hours | 17:14 |
| melwitt | oh | 17:15 |
| bauzas | yeah, that's not really impacting me | 17:15 |
| bauzas | :) | 17:15 |
| bauzas | come in EU, folks | 17:15 |
| alaski | melwitt: when you do get the link can you add it to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:15 |
| melwitt | alaski: sure. it hit a snag, got a -1 review over at tempest so we need to see how we can resolve the issues raised | 17:16 |
| alaski | gotcha | 17:16 |
| mriedem | melwitt: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225199/ ? | 17:16 |
| melwitt | mriedem: I can't see that right now but if it's the tempest config option for security groups, then yes | 17:16 |
| mriedem | melwitt: that's chuck's, yeah | 17:16 |
| melwitt | yeah. we need that because currently we've got no test coverage of network connectivity for instances booted with cells | 17:17 |
| mriedem | b/c those tests assume security groups | 17:17 |
| melwitt | right | 17:17 |
| melwitt | we used to have coverage by the devstack tempest job that did the exercises.sh | 17:18 |
| melwitt | it at least did pings | 17:18 |
| melwitt | I don't remember if it did ssh too | 17:18 |
| alaski | was there pushback on the idea itself, or just an issue with the specific changes? | 17:18 |
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| mriedem | there was some comment about neutron | 17:19 |
| mriedem | i didn't really dig in, but noted that we don't have a job for cells v1 + neutron | 17:19 |
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| mriedem | we could, i had the patches for it, but thought no one wanted that right now | 17:20 |
| bauzas | right | 17:20 |
| melwitt | I think it's around the fact that the config option only makes sense for cells and not so much in general. that is, security groups are only a problem for cells with nova-network | 17:20 |
| mriedem | well, security groups are optional regardless of cells | 17:20 |
| melwitt | the other issue raised was how disabling security groups but leaving ssh verification in makes the assumption that the default group will have port 22 open | 17:20 |
| mriedem | that's why this is a feature toggle in tempest | 17:20 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:20 |
| bauzas | it's mostly because we want to be super clear that cells v1 is experimental and that we shouldn't boil the ocean of fixing it | 17:20 |
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| alaski | how is the default group set? is that baked into nova, or done via nova-manage or something? | 17:21 |
| mriedem | i don't have an answer for the default secgroup and port 22 | 17:21 |
| mriedem | i thought it was baked in | 17:22 |
| mriedem | would have to dig though | 17:22 |
| melwitt | I also think it's baked in | 17:22 |
| mriedem | or rlrossit would have to look | 17:22 |
| alaski | if that's the case I think it would be reasonable to assume it's open, if that's the default | 17:22 |
| alaski | since Nova would be unlikely to change that for backwards compat reasons | 17:22 |
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| melwitt | yeah, I'm not sure what the default port status is or how it gets to be open during the test jobs | 17:24 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L4354 | 17:24 |
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| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/security_group_default_rules.py | 17:25 |
| mriedem | so must be coming in from the api | 17:25 |
| mriedem | i dont see anything in nova-manage for it | 17:25 |
| alaski | okay. so assuming port 22 is open isn't really valid then | 17:26 |
| rlrossit | wait are we wondering if port 22 is open in the default secgroup from the get-go? | 17:26 |
| rlrossit | default usually has nothing open | 17:26 |
| melwitt | yeah, that's what I thought | 17:26 |
| alaski | yeah, okay | 17:26 |
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| rlrossit | but an API call can open up whatever you want on the default group | 17:26 |
| mriedem | also note that the security group API is completely pluggable | 17:27 |
| mriedem | so we can't even say nova-network/neutron here | 17:27 |
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| alaski | pluggable enough to have a security group api defaulting everything open? | 17:28 |
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| mriedem | sure | 17:29 |
| alaski | could be something added and used for cells if that would work | 17:29 |
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| melwitt | I guess I'm confused because something must be opening port 22 since the test does work even when skipping the security group creation | 17:29 |
| mriedem | i'm checking devstack | 17:30 |
| melwitt | that is, we should be able to get it to work without adding something | 17:30 |
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| rlrossit | my guess would be in tempest if you have checking ssh enabled, it would turn on 22 in the default secgroup for you | 17:31 |
| rlrossit | I guess this is semantics, but skipping security group *creation* doesn't count changing the default... | 17:31 |
| alaski | melwitt: I wonder if the security group failures are just when one needs to be looked up in the cell | 17:32 |
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| alaski | security group creation should work, it just doesn't propogate beyond the api | 17:32 |
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| melwitt | alaski: right | 17:32 |
| alaski | setting the default to be open might work, if that's passed down with the boot request properly | 17:33 |
| alaski | and using a custom one could still be broken | 17:33 |
| alaski | I'm just guessing, it's been a while since I looked at the failures | 17:33 |
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| melwitt | yeah, I think so. somehow that's how it is currently, with chuck's patch, the server basic ops test works using the default group, somehow port 22 is open. I just can't find where that's being set so far | 17:35 |
| mriedem | mtreinish was looking too | 17:35 |
| mriedem | maybe we just set an action item to figure it out | 17:35 |
| mriedem | and move on | 17:35 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: there is a validation config group in tempest that's used to control how tempest ssh's into things | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | (well to a certain extent anyway) | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | and there are options there to set the resources created as part of setup to enable ssh | 17:36 |
| alaski | #action figure out how default security group works will cellsv1, and address concerns around a tempest feature toggle for it | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/config.py#L671 | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | specifically https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/config.py#L678-L683 seem to be what you're looking for | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | the helps probably need to be reworded | 17:37 |
| alaski | cool | 17:38 |
| doffm | Quick question.. could anyone point me to any discussion about cells v1-v2 upgrades? | 17:38 |
| alaski | once gerrit is back up we can look at how that connects with what was being done | 17:38 |
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| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/common/validation_resources.py | 17:38 |
| doffm | I don't know.. well i don't know what decisions have been made with regards to upgrades. | 17:38 |
| alaski | doffm: I'm not sure anything has been written down about that. at least not much | 17:39 |
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| melwitt | mtreinish mriedem: thank you! mystery solved | 17:39 |
| alaski | doffm: the basic gist is that a current cellsv1 global cell is treated as a cellsv2 api cell, and cellsv1 cells are migrated into cellsv2 cells | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | melwitt: one thing is that those options might not be universally honored yet, it's still an inprogress bp | 17:40 |
| alaski | doffm: sorry, a cellsv1 global cell turns into a full cellsv2 deploy, and cellsv1 cells are migrated up into the new cells | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | but I think for everything you run on the cells job it's probably fine | 17:40 |
| melwitt | okay | 17:40 |
| doffm | alaski: Thanks. I think its something that we (here) have to look in to. | 17:41 |
| alaski | doffm: it's something I should be pushed into writing down so others can look at it and poke holes in it | 17:42 |
| alaski | I have one open discussion topic: we should cancel the next two meetings due to holidays. | 17:42 |
| melwitt | +1 | 17:42 |
| doffm | +1 | 17:43 |
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| alaski | so we would start back at 2100UTC on the 6th of Jan | 17:43 |
| alaski | cool | 17:43 |
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| alaski | anything else today? | 17:43 |
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| alaski | I'm excited to see some new faces. welcome aboard | 17:44 |
| bauzas | 2100UTC ? great | 17:44 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 17:44 |
| doffm | Thanks. | 17:44 |
| mriedem | you're excited to see my face even? | 17:44 |
| mriedem | let's jump to -qa and talk to andreaf | 17:45 |
| alaski | a tiny bit | 17:45 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 17:45:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-12-16-17.02.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-12-16-17.02.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-12-16-17.02.log.html | 17:45 |
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| sc68cal | hello all | 18:29 |
| bharathm | Hi | 18:30 |
| Aish | hi | 18:30 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:30 |
| annp | Hi | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 18:30:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:30 |
| sc68cal | #chair xgerman | 18:30 |
| openstack | Current chairs: sc68cal xgerman | 18:30 |
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| ajmiller | Hi | 18:30 |
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| sc68cal | So. I think the biggest piece of business is getting the API spec from the 5 yard line, into the endzone | 18:31 |
| bharathm | xgerman is on vacation. Not sure if he would join | 18:31 |
| jwarendt | Hi | 18:31 |
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| madhu_ak | hi | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | #chair SridarK | 18:31 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal xgerman | 18:31 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | #topic API spec discussion | 18:31 |
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| Aish | sc68cal: yes, we would like to get it merged. | 18:31 |
| SridarK | sorry will be slow as i am debugging on another internal issue | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | So - we're very close. I think there are some small details around the rule behavior | 18:32 |
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| sc68cal | #info openstack gerrit is being upgraded today | 18:32 |
| SridarK | Aish: sc68cal: agree - i will have a last go later in the day today | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | gotcha | 18:32 |
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| mickeys | I can do another round of comments tomorrow | 18:33 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 18:33 |
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| sc68cal | The main thing that kept me from +2'ing it was the addition of that note where if there is no source or destination included in a rule - that means that it matches any packet | 18:33 |
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| sc68cal | since gerrit is down I'll try and replicate my comment. Basically if you want it to match any packet, set the source or dest to 0.0.0.0/0 or ::/0 | 18:34 |
| mickeys | I checked security groups yesterday. The API allows no remote security group or remote address prefix. By the time it gets down to iptables, either way 0.0.0.0/0 is programmed in the rule. Horizon forces specification of 0.0.0.0/0 | 18:34 |
| xgerman | Hi, I am on mobile... | 18:34 |
| xgerman | sc68cal: +1 | 18:35 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: to be more explicit | 18:35 |
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| SridarK | yes | 18:35 |
| sc68cal | So, you must have a source and destination, that's my thinking for the rule | 18:35 |
| sc68cal | now , the question is do we want to let rules that mix the kinds of source and destination | 18:36 |
| sc68cal | like source_ip_prefix and destination_firewall_group | 18:36 |
| mickeys | I thought it would be easier for users if they don't have to specify both, but if everyone else thinks they should both be specified, fine | 18:36 |
| mickeys | I think we should allow source_ip_prefix and destination_firewall_group | 18:36 |
| sc68cal | ^ this works for me | 18:36 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:36 |
| mickeys | Remember that if you are going to something external, firewall_group does not work | 18:37 |
| jwarendt | Allow mixing from my perspective. | 18:37 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: a firewall group could be external | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | like if you have a 2nd subnet, router, and network, or something | 18:37 |
| mickeys | A firewall group is a group of ports. How does that represent external addresses? | 18:37 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: could be addresses on another tenant network - same tenant | 18:38 |
| xgerman | External to the tenant but still in the same cloud | 18:38 |
| mickeys | Maybe I should have said outside of OpenStack rather than external | 18:38 |
| xgerman | Yep | 18:38 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: gotcha - well if it's outside of openstack then it couldn't be a firewall group | 18:39 |
| sc68cal | they'd most likely use ip prefix | 18:39 |
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| mickeys | If I want to allow traffic from some firewall group to a set of outside address prefixes, for exapmle | 18:39 |
| mickeys | So we have to allow source and destination to use different constructs | 18:39 |
| sc68cal | right - and I think we're all on board with that | 18:39 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 18:40 |
| Aish | +1 | 18:40 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:40 |
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| sc68cal | so I mean that's the only two little things - if we just update the spec to reflect that, I'm ready to +2 it | 18:40 |
| * sc68cal moves the football to the 1 yard line | 18:41 | |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i just need some time till end of day to run thru | 18:41 |
| SridarK | but over all i am fine | 18:41 |
| xgerman | sc68cal: any opinion on position - priority | 18:42 |
| xgerman | ? | 18:42 |
| sc68cal | I haven't really followed it - so if we have consensus on one or the other I'm willing to follow | 18:42 |
| sc68cal | is it just semantics, and they do the same thing? | 18:42 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i am still on position for now - but we can look at if based on bandwidth | 18:42 |
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| xgerman | Ok. | 18:43 |
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| mickeys | They achieve the same thing, but the behavior is different | 18:43 |
| mickeys | With position, things shift when you insert a rule. There is a specific API to insert a rule before or after another rule. | 18:44 |
| mickeys | With priority, you just specify a value. Does not have to be monotonic, there can be gaps. | 18:44 |
| mickeys | No insert before or insert after. | 18:44 |
| mickeys | No shifting | 18:44 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes agree - more in lines of how much code we need to rewrite for M | 18:44 |
| mickeys | Specific priority value is specified in the API | 18:44 |
| sc68cal | ok - so based on that, I think I like position. | 18:45 |
| sc68cal | I guess my only criticism is that with priority it's an opaque value | 18:46 |
| sc68cal | with position, the ordering is a bit more explicit, plus it's one less thing a client has to put in his CLI or API request | 18:46 |
| xgerman | Well, position is two things before and after | 18:47 |
| sc68cal | since position is set and returned to the user, right SridarK ? | 18:47 |
| xgerman | Nope. Position changes when you insert a new rule | 18:47 |
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| SridarK | position is just set relatively as specified | 18:48 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: oh? it gets added at the head of the list, not tail? | 18:48 |
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| jwarendt | Position doesn't scale or cache or work RESTfully, since based on state of other rules and not self-contained. | 18:48 |
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| sc68cal | jwarendt: fair point. | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: agreed on that | 18:48 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:48 |
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| sc68cal | if we go with priority - will it be a required value? | 18:49 |
| xgerman | Yep | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | or optional/assigned for you if you don't send it in your req | 18:49 |
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| xgerman | I think we want to be deterministic | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: that would be tricky | 18:50 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: agreed | 18:50 |
| xgerman | Required would be best | 18:50 |
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| mickeys | Some vendors automatically assign, doing +10 with every new rule. It is not easy to explain, or can be a little complex. | 18:50 |
| mickeys | In ACLs on routers and switches | 18:50 |
| sc68cal | OK - so my thinking is this. If we can, let's try out position - but let's definetly whip up a spec for priority | 18:51 |
| sc68cal | since migrating between the two isn't really that big a deal unless I'm mistaken. | 18:52 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i agree on this, it may be a significant change on the rule front | 18:53 |
| SridarK | if we can do this great else we get it in N | 18:53 |
| sc68cal | priority being a required attribute is sort of a stretch to me, to force a user to pick some arbitrary value | 18:53 |
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| sc68cal | I | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | am not hard core on this, we can always revisit later | 18:55 |
| mickeys | +1 | 18:55 |
| sc68cal | and the migration between would be pretty straight forward from position to priority | 18:55 |
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| sc68cal | could just take position and multiply by 10 or something to give people space to stick stuff in between | 18:56 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i think we can figure that out with a mapping of position to priority | 18:56 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes | 18:56 |
| xgerman | Well, I think we can do that from the get go but didn't sign up for it so will defer to sc68cal | 18:57 |
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| mickeys | I think we have another big issue that could use more discussion. The current proposal is that things like IP address, protocol, port are in the API but not in the data model. This means they would get translated to address group and service group in the data model, and when you do a get, you would see the groups. I think if we are going to have individual IP address, protocol, and port, we should put them in the data | 18:58 |
| mickeys | model as well. We should remember which one was provisioned and return that in the API when you do a GET. | 18:58 |
| mickeys | IMO, it is both easier on the users, seeing the same thing in GET that they put in POST, and I think it is easier to populate the same fields from multiple sources in the plugin than to translate the API into different database objects. | 18:58 |
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| xgerman | I think having two representations for the same thing is confusing | 18:59 |
| xgerman | Also that just complicates the data model | 19:00 |
| SridarK | i think we discussed this earlier and thought we would refrain from doing this under the covers | 19:00 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: good point | 19:02 |
| xgerman | We only agreed that we give them those convenience functions | 19:02 |
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| mickeys | That was one proposal. I don't think we discussed it enough to reach full consensus. | 19:03 |
| xgerman | Well, storing things two ways leads to a mess for little gain | 19:03 |
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| sc68cal | I think i'm a +1 on mickeys thinking | 19:04 |
| mickeys | The place to reduce complexity is the API more than the data model, but we had good reasons for leaving individual IP address as well as address group in the API. | 19:04 |
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| xgerman | Well, I would kick them out | 19:05 |
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| jwarendt | I am +1 on mikey's position from a user perspective | 19:05 |
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| xgerman | So if you specify both it gets confusing | 19:06 |
| mickeys | Both in one rule, or different rules? | 19:06 |
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| mickeys | We said we won't allow both in one rule for source, or both in one rule for destination | 19:06 |
| xgerman | Even different rules you need to look in two places | 19:06 |
| sc68cal | in one rule, I agree with xgerman. No doing both source_ip_prefix and source_firewall_group in the same rule | 19:06 |
| SridarK | one rule is definitely out - we agreed on that | 19:07 |
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| sc68cal | pick one from the kinds of sources, one from the kinds of desintations | 19:07 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:07 |
| mickeys | I don't see the problem if some rules use individual IP address while other rules use address group | 19:07 |
| sc68cal | but I think to mickeys point - don't munge it in the database. Make sure when we return a rule it's the same fields that they stuck in | 19:07 |
| sc68cal | and with the neutron-classifier effort, that's actually pretty easy | 19:08 |
| sc68cal | for now we just make the rule database table contain all six fields - but we can slim it down by using classifiers later | 19:08 |
| mickeys | We can map to the same thing in the driver before we send RPCs down to the agent | 19:09 |
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| sc68cal | my thinking is, 6 columns for the src and dst types, but a single row would have just 2 filled in with data, the rest null | 19:09 |
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| sc68cal | until we swap over to classifiers, so we have less null columns floating around | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | in a row | 19:10 |
| xgerman | Well, I hate special cases... | 19:10 |
| SridarK | i think that would work - so it is either the addr colum or the reference to the address group column | 19:10 |
| sc68cal | or the firewall group column | 19:11 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:11 |
| xgerman | And if I like to add another address to my rule I either have to create a new rule with that up or delete that rule and make a new one with address group | 19:12 |
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| mickeys | Yes | 19:12 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: sounds right | 19:12 |
| sc68cal | or update the address group, if your rule pointed to it | 19:12 |
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| xgerman | Which it won't since we stopped automatic conversion | 19:13 |
| xgerman | So like people would add another rule with ip | 19:13 |
| mickeys | There are consequences to which representation the user chooses. They are not that bad. | 19:13 |
| sc68cal | xgerman: yeah most likely | 19:13 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: +1 | 19:13 |
| sc68cal | I think we've given them plenty of rope to hang themselves with | 19:14 |
| sc68cal | :) | 19:14 |
| SridarK | :-) | 19:14 |
| sc68cal | plenty of yak shaving instruments | 19:14 |
| xgerman | That is my concern - so I like to limit choices | 19:14 |
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| xgerman | But I trust sc68cal that classifieds will solve that :-) | 19:15 |
| sc68cal | :) | 19:15 |
| mickeys | On that note, the initial implementation will not use sc68cal's classifier proposal for the data model? | 19:16 |
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| sc68cal | mickeys: it might. but for the time being we just make the database table for a firewall rule map directly to how it looks in the API | 19:17 |
| mickeys | sc68cal: OK. I will leave it up to you when you want to introduce the classifier. | 19:18 |
| mickeys | Given all the things we have added, the classifier will need to be updated whenever we get to it. | 19:18 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: right. I plan on pairing up with Aish on the database work and we'll go from there about using classifier | 19:18 |
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| xgerman | Cool | 19:19 |
| Aish | yup.. | 19:19 |
| sc68cal | but for the purpose of the spec we can just plan worst case to just make a firewall rule in the DB be exactly like it is in the REST API | 19:19 |
| sc68cal | then optimize it when we get to the code | 19:19 |
| mickeys | Except for associations instead of lists ... | 19:19 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: yep, exactly | 19:19 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: +1 for M | 19:19 |
| SridarK | mickeys: +1 | 19:19 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: can we save 5 mins for other discusions | 19:20 |
| sc68cal | SridarK: sure. open discussion? | 19:20 |
| SridarK | y | 19:20 |
| SridarK | mid cycle etc | 19:20 |
| sc68cal | any last things about api spec from anyone? | 19:20 |
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| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 19:22 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: ur suggestion was to pick a hotel near the airport ? | 19:22 |
| SridarK | for the midcycle | 19:22 |
| xgerman | Yes | 19:22 |
| xgerman | That saves on driving in the morning | 19:23 |
| SridarK | ok but is there a shuttle or we need to rent a car in terms of getting to the location | 19:23 |
| SridarK | i guess i can look that up too - but if any of u have done this location b4 | 19:23 |
| xgerman | Most Rent a car but we can carpool | 19:24 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good thx xgerman: | 19:24 |
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| xgerman | I also Once used cabs and Nummer rüdes to The dinner location | 19:24 |
| SridarK | ok | 19:25 |
| SridarK | Also are folks around next week for the mtg ? | 19:26 |
| xgerman | Let's skip the next two | 19:27 |
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| xgerman | And resume next year | 19:27 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 19:27 |
| * xgerman already on vacation | 19:27 | |
| SridarK | there is probab quite a few folks off | 19:27 |
| sc68cal | sounds good to me | 19:29 |
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| xgerman | Bye | 19:30 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 19:30:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-12-16-18.30.html | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-12-16-18.30.txt | 19:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-12-16-18.30.log.html | 19:30 |
| Aish | bye. | 19:31 |
| xgerman | :-) | 19:31 |
| mickeys | bye | 19:31 |
| SridarK | Bye all | 19:31 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 20:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | who around ? | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | ( ಠ‿ಠ)┘ | 20:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:01 |
| mrunge | o/ | 20:01 |
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| rhagarty_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
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| itxaka | \o/ | 20:02 |
| sqchen | o/ | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | ok, let's get started | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | General announcements, django_openstack_auth 2.1.0 and 1.2.1 have both been released | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | 2.1.0 introduced an issue with liberty Horizon and we've merged a fix, but will release 2.1.1 shortly | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | second item, gerrit is down for an upgrade, I hope you've all seen the announcements, should be back up in an hour or so, IIRC | 20:05 |
| * tsufiev wonders if jobs start working better after that | 20:05 | |
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| david-lyle | yes, grenade job for horizon is broken | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | I believe | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | can't release without gerrit though | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | We're in the middle of M-2 which is slated to close Jan 21 | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | All things seem to be making progress | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | are there any items people are worried about that were >= high priority for Mitaka? | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | everything is perfect, wonderful | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | xstatic has hit a wall; it's taken a bit of a back seat in the last couple of weeks so I've not been able to agitate for it in #infra | 20:09 |
| mrunge | single page navigation? | 20:09 |
| mrunge | is marked as high prio | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | I was a little to quick | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | *too | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | neill focused on the swift ui re-work, which is now done, but he's unlikely to be able to re-roll his single page patch in the short term, but I can ask | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | swift re-work for some values of "done" which include "needs a bunch more polish" | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s: isn't that the rework being discussed in Invision? | 20:11 |
| mrunge | single page and concerns about performance somehow go hand in hand | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | single page would be nice before M-3 so we have time to work through any issues | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | before M-3 starts that is | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: there's a few steps in the process; getting a basic implementation in angular is step 1; reviewing the interface is step 2; both of those are happeneing | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | step 3 is work in the improvements from step 2 | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s: got it | 20:12 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I'll push single page up further on the priorities heap | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | would really like to have xstatic resolved | 20:13 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | yep, just ran out of tuits(round) to chase that up with #infra | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | or we need to make someone an admin on all the repos and bypass infra | 20:14 |
| piet | Sorry I'm late | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | s/repos/packages/ | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | any other items falling off the radar for Mitaka? | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was also thinking that given the slow progress getting the infra stuff to work that we should (interim at least) just push out the packages we need to, and I can pypi admin people in to enable that to happen | 20:15 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: sadly that sounds like the most expedient and reliable path at this point | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | performance/sanity testing on scale - but I haven't yet done my homework david-lyle | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | (Speaking of other items) | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | performance testing at scale: I've applied for some OSIC time, but am in a queue | 20:17 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s: good, how much time we have to come up with some scenarios? | 20:17 |
| * tsufiev hopes for at least 1.5 month :) | 20:18 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: honestly, no idea, but very likely at least that long :-) | 20:18 |
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| * david-lyle hangs head | 20:19 | |
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| david-lyle | at this point a plan for N would be progress | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | rather than the vague notion | 20:20 |
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| david-lyle | last general item | 20:21 |
| ducttape_ | r1chardj0n3s - does an entire openstack release make it into that setup? this seems like testing that is constantly / periodically needed | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | I propose cancelling at least the next 2 weeks of meetings due to anticipated low attendance/availability | 20:22 |
| hurgleburgler | I second that! | 20:23 |
| mrunge | +1 david-lyle | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, next one should be the 6th | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ducttape_: as far as I'm aware there's no openstack-managed periodic testing using the OSIC facility | 20:23 |
| tsufiev | less talk, more code :) | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +1 on no meetings as I'm not gonna be around anyway ;-) | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: depends on the proposed test usage, but it won't be a stable environment | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | thinking like for m release, test all the things, at scale, together | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | are people back by the 6th? | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | yy for skiping until 2016 | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yup, 6th | 20:24 |
| hurgleburgler | yeah | 20:24 |
| rhagarty_ | yes | 20:25 |
| mrunge | yup, back on 6th | 20:25 |
| piet | yes | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | ok will send email canceling the next two | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | I lied, one more general item | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | Midcycle | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | I am having trouble pinning down dates | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I have permission to have it in Portland (hillsborough) which was the top vote getter | 20:26 |
| hurgleburgler | I like the 8th or 22nd, personally | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | Mid-Late feb are the highest vote getters | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | M-3 is slated for March 3 | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | so the week of the 29th is too late | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | I am blocked the week of the 15th | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | if I wasn't hosting, that wouldn't be as big a problem | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | so that would leave the 8th or the 22nd | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | or another local on the 15th and I will miss | 20:28 |
| piet | Just as an FYI, the OpenStack UX mid-cycle will likely be in London | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | suggestions? | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | opinions | 20:29 |
| piet | But hope to attend the Horizon mid-cycle if I get approved | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | can't do 8th, sorry. 22nd would be ok | 20:29 |
| mrunge | same here | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | 22 | 20:29 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 20:29 |
| mrunge | 8th is in parallel with devconf.cz | 20:29 |
| mrunge | or unlikely to make it then | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | I can do any time bar first week of feb | 20:30 |
| hurgleburgler | piet when is the ux midcycle? | 20:30 |
| * ducttape_ can do any bar | 20:30 | |
| david-lyle | ok, will make is the 22nd | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ a date! | 20:30 |
| piet | We're still deciding..late Jan/early Feb | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | for international travelers, day of the week preferred start? | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | Tues-Thurs? | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Tuesday if possible please | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | Mon-Wed? | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so yeah, Tues-Thurs | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | ok, will plan on that | 20:32 |
| hurgleburgler | that's easier for domestic peoples too | 20:32 |
| mrunge | mon-wed would be cheaper for international | 20:33 |
| mrunge | for me at least US$ 100 | 20:33 |
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| mrunge | that probably makes a vacation day ;-) | 20:33 |
| tsufiev | Interesting | 20:33 |
| mrunge | works for me | 20:33 |
| mrunge | flying out sat vs. monday saves US$ 500 | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | ok will schedule the room and line up some suggested hotels | 20:34 |
| mrunge | awesome, thank you david-lyle | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | thanks david-lyle | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone for your patience | 20:34 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle: thank you | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | We have a couple of agenda items for today, found here: | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_December_16_2000_UTC | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | #topic discuss local_settings.d/ patchset (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243974/ ) (toabctl) | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discuss local_settings.d/ patchset (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243974/ ) (toabctl) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:36 | |
| david-lyle | might be hard without gerrit | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | This is the directory with local settings python snippets patch | 20:36 |
| mrunge | esp. I don't see toabctl around | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | ok, let's table that. | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | when gerrit is back up hopefully people will take a look | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | #topic will we keep creating tarballs for stable branches? mrunge | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "will we keep creating tarballs for stable branches? mrunge (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:37 | |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I'm not sure I understand the context | 20:38 |
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| mrunge | yeah, it was just a question coming from downstream | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | point releases are or aren't going away? | 20:38 |
| mrunge | at least, there has been discussion no to do any stable releases | 20:38 |
| mrunge | so: point releases yes or no | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I'd have to reread, but I thought there was some nuance there | 20:39 |
| * david-lyle has to find mailing list thread too | 20:39 | |
| mrunge | at some point, that discussion went nowhere, iirc | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure that point releases were killed | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | but I could be wrong | 20:39 |
| tsufiev | Our downstream is merging head of stable branch on a weekly, mrunge | 20:40 |
| tsufiev | *weekly basis | 20:40 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, I'm rebasing on each point release | 20:40 |
| mrunge | cherry-picking important patches earlier | 20:40 |
| mrunge | currently, we just have 14 patches on top of liberty | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: for horizon? | 20:41 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | that seems light | 20:41 |
| mrunge | at least 3 translation patches | 20:41 |
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| david-lyle | no one on liberty? | 20:41 |
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| mrunge | all on liberty | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | still on kilo? | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | I meant deployments | 20:41 |
| mrunge | I mean, imports from translation tool | 20:42 |
| mrunge | I would still like to cut point releases | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng isn't around, so I'll track down the current plan for stable | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | for openstack | 20:43 |
| tsufiev | mrunge: isn't it a thing being done for every tc-approved-project? | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: there was some talk about not doing that any more | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | just not sure where that ended up | 20:43 |
| mrunge | and for django-openstack-auth, we did not do any stable backports in the past | 20:44 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: we didn't have stable branches until kilo for d-o-a | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | and 1.2.1 just released | 20:45 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | which is kilo | 20:45 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | gerrit is back \o/ | 20:45 |
| mrunge | I just wanted to mention, it makes sense to keep horizon and d-o-a doing the same type of releases | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: sure, even though the destinations are different | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:46 |
| mrunge | yes, right | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | let me track down the current plan | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | ahhh its different | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | and we can determine our plan from there | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: no more old view support | 20:47 |
| mrunge | great, thank you david-lyle | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:48 | |
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| robcresswell | So on releasing packages | 20:48 |
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| robcresswell | Can we just use gerrit for voting, then manually release? | 20:48 |
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| robcresswell | Until we have a real solution | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sounds fair, yes | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: that was the discussed short term work around, yes | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we'd have to do the gerrit voting anyway | 20:48 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, as a pointer: it started here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/065144.html | 20:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just instead of magic tag-and-release we tag-and-manual-release | 20:49 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | and ping me if you need to be able to upload and can't | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | Great | 20:49 |
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| robcresswell | I'd really like to see angular updated, and I remember diana had some bootstrap-related issues | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | hurgleburgler: ^ | 20:51 |
| hurgleburgler | I'm gonna be starting on the pie charts today or tomorrow | 20:51 |
| ducttape_ | meaning that angular stuff is styled differently than the other stuff ? | 20:51 |
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| hurgleburgler | oh, we need to update the bootstrap to bring in some fixed … I've put in css debt to fix it int he meantime :( | 20:52 |
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| robcresswell | I meant the angular version we're using. It's 1.3.x... 1.5 is out soon iirc | 20:54 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: I thought you were going to say ng 2.0 :) | 20:54 |
| hurgleburgler | :-O | 20:55 |
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| robcresswell | I looked at the 2.0 syntax earlier and screamed internally. | 20:55 |
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| david-lyle | funny I had that reaction with the 1.* series syntax | 20:56 |
| * david-lyle ducks | 20:56 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-) | 20:56 |
| rajatvig | Actually, Angular Bootstrap in use (0.11) is no longer documented and possibly not supported. | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | just how we like it | 20:56 |
| hurgleburgler | :( | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | So, upgrades | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Post-christmas lets get releasing some packages. | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | might be nice to get back to the common era on the libs | 20:57 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: yep | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | Following gerrit reviews of course. | 20:57 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | *cough* sure | 20:57 |
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| robcresswell | :o our gerrit version is actually reasonably modern now. I wonder if there are some nice APIs. | 20:58 |
| piet | Hi Folks, were starting a meeting with Bruno from Catalyst in two minutes to discuss some concerns around network topology and the Launch Instance workflow | 20:58 |
| hurgleburgler | We should just check them all in :-D | 20:58 |
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| piet | If you want to attend (first come/first serve) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/c8j8km27k3retmn7jgplp94g61c | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | I'm on PTO now btw. So happy holidays everyone :D | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | ok, times up. Thanks everyone and no meetings for two weeks. Enjoy the time. | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-12-16-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-12-16-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-12-16-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit has been upgraded to 2.11. Please report any issues in #openstack-infra as soon as possible. | 21:00 | |
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| itxaka | o/ | 21:01 |
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