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| jroll | helloooooo | 17:00 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 21 17:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | is anyone actually here today? | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jroll | hooray, we have people | 17:00 |
| jroll | so as always the agenda is here: | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic Announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
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| jroll | I have nothing here; does anyone else? | 17:01 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | gate is still half-broken \o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | /o\ | 17:01 |
| rloo | jroll: any status wrt gate? | 17:01 |
| jroll | it isn't great. | 17:01 |
| rloo | sigh. should we do 'recheck's or ? | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | inspector gate is broken too, but by another cause | 17:01 |
| rloo | jroll: is it due to cleaning or something else? (the ironic gate) | 17:02 |
| jroll | here's the latest graph http://tinyurl.com/jqzpjl5 | 17:02 |
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| jroll | it's due to nested virt being super slow | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | we've bumped the timeout to 900 but still very inconsistent | 17:02 |
| mgould | wow, that's a lot of failures | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:02 |
| rloo | although it seems to be getting 'better' the past day... | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | maybe some immediate changes would be to disable some tests such as rebuild and/or cleaning | 17:03 |
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| lucasagomes | until we sort everything out | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, that was my thought too | 17:03 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, I think it's improved slightly | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | ofc it will lower or coverage | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | our* | 17:03 |
| jroll | rebuild is probably the biggest win there | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:03 |
| jroll | I also have this to disable cleaning temporarily https://review.openstack.org/259046 | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | because with rebuild we are basically deploying it twice | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | should/can we move rebuild to a separate non-voting job? | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | it's unlikely we'll break it too often | 17:04 |
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| jroll | we could yeah | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, I'd say keep cleaning, but remove rebuild.. cause cleaning is something everyone uses | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | I wonder if we have a way to test those stuff more directly, like starting with a active node and rebuilding it | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | instead of going trhough the whole deploy + rebuild process | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | same for cleaning | 17:05 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | but that's fft | 17:05 |
| jroll | and split those tests out | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | yes | 17:05 |
| jroll | fft? | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | food for thought | 17:05 |
| jroll | oh yeah | 17:05 |
| jroll | it's a good idea | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | yeah... | 17:05 |
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| jroll | we need TheJulia's feature here :) | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:06 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238904/ | 17:06 |
| rloo | well, besides fft. I'm hungry; what do we do now-ish? | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | the tinyipa is also a good promess, but currently it's installing (cached) the IPA dependencies at boot time | 17:06 |
| rloo | should we disable cleaning for now? jroll's patch? | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | and it's *very* slow in a nested VM | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | like took me 10 min on local tests | 17:06 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I've been slack on revising it, I'll do the required rewrite at this point sometime tomorrow | 17:06 |
| * mgould was wondering what Fast Fourier Transforms had to do with this :-) | 17:07 | |
| dtantsur | mgould++ | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | if we can install everything at image build time, and at boot time just activate the venv and run IPA I bet it would be real quick | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: dtantsur: I think disabling rebuild might be the right thing to do here, however that's a tempest patch and might take time to get through during the holidays | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | jroll, we can do both things and revert the cleaning patch asap | 17:07 |
| jroll | dtantsur: sure, that works | 17:08 |
| rloo | jroll, what dtantsur said ++ | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, what if we add the tempest patch and some dummy patches in Ironic with depends-on | 17:08 |
| jroll | ok, I'll un-wip that I guess | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | just to see if it will help out | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | like a couple of rechecks there to verify | 17:08 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: sure, that doesn't help get tempest reviewers on it | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, but helps out with data | 17:08 |
| jroll | mhm | 17:08 |
| rloo | jroll: although jenkins didn't like your disable-cleaning patch :-( | 17:09 |
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| jroll | rloo: I just rebased it | 17:09 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, here's hoping... | 17:09 |
| jroll | rloo: it was the bashate thing | 17:09 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: can you do the tempest rebuild patch? | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | jroll, sure.. just delete the code for now, right? or make a configuration defaulting to false? | 17:10 |
| jroll | dtantsur: either way, I'm not opinionated | 17:10 |
| jroll | we need to get that stuff in our tree | 17:10 |
| rloo | if it is 'as easy', i'd say add a config. just in case we want it. | 17:11 |
| Guest66263 | sambetts: regarding #213262, do you have any link to the out of tree implementation of the functions you had mentioned? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | rloo++ | 17:11 |
| * dtantsur clones tempest | 17:11 | |
| jroll | okay, any other announcements? | 17:11 |
| jroll | moving on... | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: do you want to mention rfe bugs or leave that to email? | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: go for it | 17:12 |
| rloo | forget it, i think it was going to be via email | 17:12 |
| jroll | heh | 17:12 |
| jroll | quick note, we're using RFE bugs instead of blueprints now | 17:12 |
| jroll | read your email for more info :) | 17:13 |
| rloo | oh, but vdrok moved all bps to rfe bugs so a big applause and thank you | 17:13 |
| jroll | ++ thanks vdrok! | 17:13 |
| vdrok | np :) | 17:13 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status updates | 17:13 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 17:13 |
| jroll | as always, these are here: | 17:13 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:13 |
| mgould | vdrok++ | 17:13 |
| jroll | I'll give folks a moment to update^W look over those | 17:14 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wishlist isn't necessarily rfe's, right? | 17:14 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, right, but it's much easier to implement | 17:15 |
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| dtantsur | so I decided it's close enough | 17:15 |
| jroll | well, fixing a bug should never be a "wishlist" item | 17:15 |
| * dtantsur does not like launchpad API | 17:15 | |
| jroll | so all wishlist things should be features | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:15 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, but not all wishlists require specs :) | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | not RFE's as well :) | 17:16 |
| jroll | ^ | 17:16 |
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| rloo | so they are features but not rfe's. | 17:16 |
| rloo | not necessarily rfe's. | 17:17 |
| jroll | not necessarily *tagged* as rfe | 17:17 |
| * krotscheck is back from vacation, so things are starting up again. | 17:17 | |
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| jroll | but any feature request is a "request for enhancement" | 17:17 |
| jroll | right? | 17:17 |
| vdrok | I think it is | 17:17 |
| rloo | so what should be tagged as rfe? | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | sounds like | 17:17 |
| jroll | any bug that is a feature request | 17:18 |
| rloo | what's the diff between a 'feature' and a 'feature request'? | 17:18 |
| jroll | a feature is code? | 17:18 |
| jroll | words are hard | 17:18 |
| rloo | yeah, just want it to be somewhat clear so we know. | 17:18 |
| jroll | when we're talking about a bug report, anything that is a feature request/submission, and not a bug, is a 'feature' | 17:18 |
| vdrok | I guess we're moving to the next topic :) | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | rloo, RFE is when a person asks for a feature, but does not want to implement it | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, ++ | 17:19 |
| rloo | but there are lots of rfes where people want to implement it | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | rloo, if a person wants to submit code right now, it's already not an RFE, but we also count them as RFE for simplicity | 17:19 |
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| dtantsur | that's how I understand it | 17:19 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I would say, RFE includes when someone proposes code -- they're requesting that we accept the feature into mainline. | 17:19 |
| jroll | it is an RFE, but they're also deciding to implement it themselves | 17:19 |
| jroll | devananda++ | 17:19 |
| rloo | so what can be a 'feature' that isn't tagged as an rfe? | 17:20 |
| devananda | so the "feature request" is the request they made, and the "implementation" of that RFE is the code they proposed | 17:20 |
| jroll | rloo: nothing IMO | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | rloo, looks like nothing | 17:20 |
| devananda | rloo: something we already implemented and accepted into trunk? | 17:20 |
| devananda | like "feature X" was included in the Kilo release | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | well, something like "refactor the docs" might be wishlist, but not RFE | 17:20 |
| rloo | so to go back to our bug tracking system, the features are indicated in the bug system as 'wishlist'. | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | cause it's not a feature in ironic | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | but dunno | 17:21 |
| jroll | this is all a question of reporting, right? | 17:21 |
| jroll | for now, wishlist is close enough to RFE for me. | 17:21 |
| rloo | but we are distinguishing bugs - 'wishlist' as some being tagged with rfe and others not. | 17:21 |
| jroll | in the future we can improve that | 17:21 |
| jroll | it's a transition period | 17:21 |
| rloo | if 'wishlist' should all be rfe's, then there's no need to tag them. | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I tend to agree with ruby here | 17:22 |
| rloo | or even prepend with 'RFE' ? | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | just use what it's already there | 17:22 |
| vdrok | rloo, e.g. there is a bug about possibility to run tests under mac, it is a wishlist but not rfe | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | as I said above, wishlist items not necessary feature in ironic, might be something like "refactor tests" | 17:22 |
| jroll | well, look at my comments on the docs change | 17:22 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 17:22 |
| jroll | I propose a 'rfe-approved' tag like neutron uses | 17:22 |
| jroll | in which case the tags *are* useful | 17:23 |
| rloo | jroll: so do all wishlists need a 'rfe-approved' tag? | 17:23 |
| jroll | rloo: no..... | 17:23 |
| rloo | we can take this discussion elsewhere, i'm just a bit confused probably | 17:23 |
| jroll | all approved RFEs get that tag | 17:23 |
| jroll | all unapproved get the 'rfe' tag | 17:23 |
| vdrok | so here is what I concluded from discussions in doc patch and irc | 17:24 |
| devananda | rloo: I think I'm confused too, fwiw | 17:24 |
| vdrok | 1. create an rfe bug, in new state, wishlist priority, set assignee if possible; | 17:24 |
| vdrok | 2. someone from ironic-drivers should move it to confirmed state to show the idea is valid (or change the tag to rfe-approved?); | 17:24 |
| vdrok | 3. you can add code right away before waiting for approval, if a spec is needed, code will be -2'ed; | 17:24 |
| vdrok | 4. if the feature is not needed a bug will be moved to won't fix and spec/code -2'ed. | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, same here | 17:24 |
| rloo | but dtansur's example of a wishlist to 'refactor tests' is not a rfe? (i think it should be but if it isn't) how do folks now it isn't and doesn't require rfe-approved? | 17:24 |
| vdrok | this is for feature requests^ | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | rloo, test refactoring is not a feature IMO | 17:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: seems like a feature of our infrastructure, but regardless, let's say it isn't a feature. | 17:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: but it is a 'wishlist' bug. so I see a patch that addresses that bug. | 17:25 |
| mgould | "feature" usually implies "user-visible", IMO | 17:26 |
| rloo | dtantsur: how do i know whether it needs a rfe-approved tag before +A'ing it? | 17:26 |
| jroll | rloo: because the bug triager will tag it as 'rfe' | 17:26 |
| mgould | "request for enhancement" could mean almost anything | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: but what is the absence of a rfe tag mean? that the bug triager forgot to tag it? how do i know that it shouldn't be rfe? | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, yeah, I see it that way too | 17:27 |
| jroll | rloo: well, you could decide that for yourself, or look at the history and see if it's been triaged, and ask | 17:27 |
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| jroll | rloo: common sense and such | 17:28 |
| vdrok | jroll, ++ | 17:28 |
| rloo | it isn't really a new question. even with BPs, i've seen bugs in the past that seemed to be features in disguise. | 17:28 |
| jroll | rloo: yep, this makes it easier to handle those features | 17:28 |
| jroll | rloo: I've been trying to watch for those and ask for BPs instead, but didn't do a good job | 17:29 |
| rloo | so 'common sense' to me meant asking whether it should be a bp/spec, but clearly it wasn't common sense to some others. or my common sense radar is off :) | 17:29 |
| devananda | this is an ever-ongoing debate -- is X a bug or a feature? -- and we'll never have an answer that works for everyone, because it is subjective | 17:29 |
| rloo | devananda: right. and now that we have them 'bundled' into the bugs/wishlist, i wonder if things will get muddier. i guess we'll see... | 17:29 |
| devananda | rloo: but I would suggest you use this test: is the behavior being reported clearly NOT the intended behavior? if so, it's clearly a bug. | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | things were like that already, people filed pretty a lot of wishlist items and bugs like "X does not support Y" | 17:30 |
| devananda | and then we err on the side of caution and tag things which are in the grey zone as RFE's | 17:31 |
| devananda | *and either we ... | 17:31 |
| devananda | or we just leave them as wishlist items | 17:31 |
| jroll | funny store, I just realized this was the one agenda item | 17:33 |
| rloo | ok, if something is unclear, i'll bring it up. i'd actually prefer if the wishlist items had a comment saying 'rfe not needed' and they default to rfe, but anyway. | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | maybe we just need to say: bugs or enhancement... e.g If it's fixing something it's a bug. Anything else is an enhancement: adding a new feature, fixing docs, refactoring tests | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | and then in the ehancements we can say what need a spec and what not | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | like docs, tests refactor etc don't need one... but things affects multiple areas of the project does need it | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | then we can decide how to distinguish it in the bug tracker, either using the tags or wishlist | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | well, wishlist == RFE gives us a simpler procedure | 17:35 |
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| lucasagomes | right | 17:37 |
| vdrok | so, should we start with rfe/rfe-approved tags, or just wishlist bugs? | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | I think we first need to decide whether we are tracking: bugs, features and others enhancements... or just bugs and enhancements (if that makes sense) | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | wishlist + [RFE] in title to help triagers to understand the intent? | 17:38 |
| rloo | vdrok: i thought it was 'wishlist-no tags', 'wishlist-rfe tag' -> 'wishlist-rfe-approved tag'. | 17:38 |
| rloo | does rfe-approved mean either spec is approved or no spec is needed, and description in bug is sufficient? | 17:38 |
| mgould | rloo, +1 to that idea | 17:39 |
| vdrok | I think rfe-approved means that idea is valid, if there needs to be a spec the code can just be -2ed | 17:39 |
| vdrok | or it can be written in bug comments | 17:39 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: i think we want to track enhancements, just that there seems to be 2? types; ones that need detailed (spec) description, others that don't? | 17:40 |
| rloo | vdrok: OH. rfe-approved == 'this is approved to be classified as an rfe'? | 17:40 |
| vdrok | rloo, thats what I thought initially, but it can be whatever we decide :) | 17:41 |
| jroll | O_O | 17:41 |
| jroll | rfe-approved == spec is approved, or no spec required | 17:41 |
| jroll | 'ready to land the code' | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right, but what confuses me is the tagged/non-tagged | 17:41 |
| rloo | jroll: that's what I thought it should mean :) | 17:42 |
| mgould | do we have to use these tags, or can we create "spec-needed" and "has-enough-spec" tags for clarity? | 17:42 |
| jroll | so | 17:42 |
| jroll | we're trying to mirror what neutron did | 17:42 |
| jroll | because it works well for them | 17:42 |
| jroll | I think we should start there and see how it goes | 17:42 |
| jroll | and change things as needed | 17:42 |
| vdrok | In either case (a spec being required or not), once the discussion has happened and there is positive consensus on the RFE, the report is ‘approved’, and its tag will move from ‘rfe’ to ‘rfe-approved’. | 17:42 |
| mgould | OK | 17:42 |
| vdrok | but yes, we can make it our own way | 17:43 |
| jroll | that is here fwiw http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements | 17:43 |
| mgould | jroll, so the answer to "what does tag X mean" should be "whatever Neutron currently means by it" for now? | 17:43 |
| jroll | mgould: well, we're working on documenting it in our docs | 17:43 |
| jroll | but I'd like to model those from neutron's model | 17:43 |
| rloo | vdrok: but how is there a discussion/positive consensus on an rfe if there is no spec/not clear that the bug/wishlist needs a discussion etc? | 17:44 |
| jroll | minus the BP junk | 17:44 |
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| rloo | jroll: i'm a bit hesitant to 'just' do what neutron did if it isn't clear how it works. if it is clear to some of you then fine. if it isn't, then it seems better to think about it now, than to confuse us all later with more change. | 17:44 |
| vdrok | rloo, someone from ironic-drivers decide that the idea is valid, it is a new feature indeed, and adds rfe-approved and says this requires a spec/can be implemented as is | 17:45 |
| jroll | rloo: sure, we should be clear on it, and it shuold be agreed | 17:45 |
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| rloo | and the 'ironic-drivers' thing is another thing... | 17:45 |
| jroll | rloo: I just don't like stalling for days while we're in the middle of a process change :| | 17:45 |
| rloo | vdrok: but jroll just said rfe-approved == spec is approved | 17:45 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, reading again maybe I read that wrong :/ | 17:46 |
| rloo | i think mgould? mentioned 'spec-needed', 'spec-approved' might be clearer for me/us. | 17:46 |
| vdrok | or maybe i did ^) | 17:46 |
| devananda | rloo: ironic-drivers isn't the team which sets bug tags, priority, etc. that is ironic-bugs | 17:46 |
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| devananda | however, neutron uses a closed bug team and (so far) we do not | 17:46 |
| devananda | so with this change, perhaps we should be | 17:47 |
| rloo | devananda: yeah, i know. we can discuss that later. ironic-drivers to me means people resp for the drivers part of ironic! | 17:47 |
| devananda | rloo: heh, well, that's not what it is. | 17:47 |
| jroll | $project-drivers historically in openstack means the people driving the project direction | 17:47 |
| jroll | and has always meant that for us, as well | 17:48 |
| devananda | xxx-drivers are the launchpad teams which "own" projects, set milestones, create releases, and manage the projects' front page on LP | 17:48 |
| rloo | jroll, devananda: OH. that explains it. | 17:48 |
| jroll | :) | 17:48 |
| rloo | drivers is overloaded. too much :-( | 17:48 |
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| rloo | so we need to agree on *how* to handle bug/wishlist stuff, and *who* can manage that process | 17:49 |
| devananda | rloo: yes | 17:50 |
| rloo | s/agree/describe/ :) | 17:50 |
| jroll | yep | 17:50 |
| jroll | let me write a clear proposal this week | 17:50 |
| jroll | on the emails | 17:50 |
| devananda | ++ to emails | 17:50 |
| rloo | ok, action item for jroll! thx! | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | ML ++ | 17:50 |
| * rloo looks at rest of subteam reports :) | 17:50 | |
| devananda | I'd suggest we not change the launchpad teams' membership or access rights too much until we're all clear on what the direction will be | 17:50 |
| jroll | well, I've added specs cores to ironic-drivers | 17:51 |
| jroll | which I think is accurate regardless | 17:51 |
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| rloo | jroll: i'm not sure of that. you trust me to set milestones and create releases? :D | 17:52 |
| jroll | rloo: yep, deal with it :) | 17:52 |
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| jroll | rloo: oh, and manage blueprints, the best part | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:52 |
| rloo | jroll: no worries. blueprints are DEAD! | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | :D | 17:52 |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:52 |
| rloo | i'm good with the rest of the subteam reports. sorry i digressed from that. | 17:53 |
| jroll | it's okay, you covered the only topic we had ;) | 17:53 |
| jroll | I don't see anything crazy there | 17:53 |
| * jroll moved topics | 17:54 | |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:54 |
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| jroll | anyone have anything? | 17:55 |
| mgould | any code reviews I could help with? | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | mgould, all of them :D | 17:58 |
| jroll | all of them! | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | LOL | 17:58 |
| mgould | curses | 17:58 |
| rloo | thx mgould :D | 17:58 |
| jroll | mgould: manual cleaning or network stuff are the big ones right now | 17:58 |
| mgould | jroll, cool, I'll prioritise accordingly :-) | 17:59 |
| jroll | THANK YOU for being awesome and wanting to review things :) | 17:59 |
| rloo | mgould: our priorities in Mitaka: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html | 17:59 |
| jroll | alright, time to shut this thing down | 17:59 |
| mgould | jroll, I saw the stats this afternoon and noticed how few I'd done :-) | 17:59 |
| vdrok | yep, thanks | 17:59 |
| jroll | thanks everyone for the invigorating monday morning discussion :) | 17:59 |
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| jroll | #end,eeting | 18:00 |
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| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 21 18:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-12-21-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 21 20:59:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 20:59 |
| flwang | i'm wondering if we have enough people for the meeting :) | 20:59 |
| Eva-i | Hello | 20:59 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i guess just you and me :) | 21:00 |
| Eva-i | flwang: let's wait a bit | 21:00 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yep, sure | 21:00 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 21:02 |
| vkmc | hey hey | 21:02 |
| flwang | vkmc: hey | 21:03 |
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| flwang | glad to see you can join :) | 21:03 |
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| flwang | should we start now? | 21:05 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay | 21:05 |
| flwang | #topic roll call | 21:05 |
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| flwang | o/ | 21:05 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 21:05 |
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| Eva-i | o/ | 21:06 |
| flwang | cool | 21:06 |
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| flwang | #topic zaqar client | 21:07 |
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| flwang | it's still in progress | 21:07 |
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| flwang | unfortunately, we're still missing the full support for claim in v1 | 21:07 |
| flwang | and missing the support for subscription for v2 | 21:08 |
| flwang | vkmc: it would be nice if you can help review those patches | 21:08 |
| flwang | we really really need to get them done in M-2 | 21:08 |
| vkmc | yeah, sorry for my constant delays | 21:08 |
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| flwang | vkmc: that's not your fault, we're a tiny team, so we just depend on your guys too much :D | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I can review them too after submitting config-ref patch | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | flwang: it will be soon | 21:10 |
| flwang | everybody may up and down for the review performance, it's totally ok | 21:10 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it would be awesome | 21:10 |
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| vkmc | flwang, I know yeah, still it feels bad to see you working so much and I putting fires down somewhere else | 21:11 |
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| flwang | vkmc: no worries, that's my duty :) | 21:11 |
| flwang | #topic zaqar UI | 21:12 |
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| flwang | unfortunately, we didn't get any +1 from horizon team, it's understandable given the xmas holiday is coming | 21:12 |
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| flwang | i'm still working on adding the zaqar api into the plugin and get it work | 21:13 |
| flwang | however, i have to admit the angular JS is not really straightforward or I"m just not a good frontend developer :( | 21:13 |
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| flwang | i'm stuck now and i'm looking for some help from horizon team and my internal team | 21:14 |
| vkmc | oh it's not straightforward :/ | 21:14 |
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| flwang | vkmc: that's my justification :D | 21:14 |
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| flwang | excuse i mean ;) | 21:15 |
| Eva-i | flwang: recently I tried to run Magnum UI recently to inspect how angular.js things are working there, so I can implement them in Zaqar UI. But it wasn't working. | 21:15 |
| flwang | anyway, if you guys have time, just play it and fix it | 21:15 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I talked to a guy in Magnum team, he said he will fix the bug. | 21:15 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yep, that's not surprise | 21:15 |
| flwang | Eva-i: did you open a bug for the problem you saw? | 21:16 |
| flwang | link? | 21:16 |
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| Eva-i | No, the guy thanked me about the provided logs and said he will open bug report it. Also it's actually not a bug in Magnum UI, but in Horizon. I'm sorry, I forgot the person's name. | 21:17 |
| flwang | Eva-i: ok, it's fine. | 21:18 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: so at least the basic UI framework works for you, right? | 21:18 |
| flwang | if so, would you mind +1 for that patch? | 21:18 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: okay, will +1, though I haven't inspected the code... | 21:19 |
| Eva-i | *work fine | 21:19 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it's ok, we just need to know if it's ok, and given it's a start point, so there must be some bugs, but we can fix them later ;) | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | flwang: alright | 21:20 |
| flwang | ok, anything we need to talk about the UI? | 21:21 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I have no questions now | 21:21 |
| flwang | #topic docs | 21:21 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: would you mind giving a summary about the docs? I think you're the lead of this work :) | 21:21 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay | 21:22 |
| Eva-i | 1. Contributor docs are awaiting patch approval, then some other patches will be created for it. | 21:25 |
| Eva-i | 2. Fei Long took API-ref and "User Guide" work, and it seems like everything will be fine | 21:25 |
| Eva-i | 3. I took config-ref and writing it. It will be done very soon, maybe in the end of today. There are some questions I wanted to ask before I submit the patch. | 21:25 |
| Eva-i | 4. Main wiki page is refactored more, and I want Fei Long to check "Key features" section. | 21:25 |
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| flwang | sounds good | 21:26 |
| flwang | i will review the #1 patch, though it's a little big for me :) | 21:26 |
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| Eva-i | I'll ask questions about config-ref in Zaqar chat. | 21:27 |
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| flwang | as for #2, i'm not really sure if i can get it done in M-2, maybe slip to M-3 based on my currrent bandwidth | 21:27 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I'm thinkin to splitting this patch to style changes and content changes | 21:27 |
| Eva-i | flwang: sure | 21:27 |
| flwang | i will review #4 if i can get a link ;) | 21:28 |
| Eva-i | flwang: here #4 link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar | 21:28 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it would nice lovely if you can add the subscription part for the key features | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I'm just wondering if I made a mistake for splitting HTTP API and Websocket API. | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | flwang: oki, I'll surely add it. | 21:30 |
| flwang | Eva-i: no, it's ok to describe them separately. but as for this line 'This feature is currently in development. ' | 21:30 |
| Eva-i | flwang: also I can refactor some of sub-pages in Wiki, but will consult first. | 21:30 |
| flwang | it's not really accurate | 21:30 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, why you think so about splitting the API? | 21:30 |
| flwang | i think we should remove it | 21:30 |
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| flwang | vkmc: i think she means she describe the two transport layers separately | 21:31 |
| Eva-i | flwang: alright, I'll remove 'in development' line. | 21:31 |
| flwang | not splitting in zaqar source code | 21:31 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: right? | 21:31 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes | 21:31 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I just noticed Zaqar team prefer to talk only about one API and call it "Zaqar API". | 21:32 |
| Eva-i | flwang: what I did in wiki - I splitted this term to websocket one and http one. | 21:32 |
| vkmc | oh yes | 21:32 |
| vkmc | but it's ok | 21:32 |
| flwang | Eva-i: not really, that's because most of the other openstack projects only has the rest api | 21:32 |
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| flwang | so generally, when we talking about zaqar api, we mean the rest api | 21:33 |
| vkmc | I mean, it's confusing to talk about one API being the way of interacting with both of them so different | 21:33 |
| vkmc | being that* | 21:33 |
| flwang | but that doesn't mean we don't care about the websocket, in reverse, it's very important | 21:33 |
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| flwang | vkmc: did you mean you prefer to describe the transport layer in high level instead of talking them separately? | 21:34 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I think in the future we should split "Zaqar API" term to "Zaqar Websocket API" and "Zaqar HTTP REST API" in our documentation. And also write separate websocket API reference. | 21:34 |
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| vkmc | flwang, oh no, I rather to have them splitted | 21:35 |
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| vkmc | I rather have them* | 21:35 |
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| flwang | vkmc: ok, cool | 21:36 |
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| flwang | anything we need to discuss for this topic? | 21:37 |
| flwang | anything more i mean | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | flwang: no, I think | 21:37 |
| flwang | #topic new features | 21:38 |
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| flwang | i have submitted a spec for more reserved queue attributes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257622/ | 21:40 |
| flwang | vkmc: flaper87: pls review it | 21:40 |
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| vkmc | flwang, k, thanks | 21:40 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I saw this blueprint, but don't have enough knowledge to discuss it. | 21:40 |
| flwang | i would like to add the delay queue support in Mitaka, but I'm afraid i don't have much bandwidth | 21:40 |
| flwang | vkmc: as for the sql migration, if you are not really interested in it, maybe you can take a look the delay queue | 21:41 |
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| vkmc | flwang, oh, I'm interested in the mysql migration one | 21:42 |
| vkmc | flwang, what is the delay queue one about? | 21:42 |
| flwang | personally, given the sqlachemy is not zaqar's recommned production db, so it's not really urgent for the migration work, how do you think? | 21:42 |
| flwang | vkmc: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/latest/SQSDeveloperGuide/sqs-delay-queues.html | 21:43 |
| vkmc | nice | 21:43 |
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| vkmc | flwang, I could check on the delay queues thing if you consider is more urgent | 21:43 |
| flwang | vkmc: personally, i think the delay queue is a good feature and has a higher priority than the sql migration | 21:44 |
| flwang | but depends on your interest | 21:44 |
| vkmc | it actually seems more interesting | 21:44 |
| vkmc | but well, we have to implement them both anyways | 21:45 |
| flwang | vkmc: yep, we would like to have them both | 21:47 |
| flwang | but we don't have much bandwidth, IMO | 21:47 |
| Eva-i | we have so much to do in Zaqar, we can only control priorities now. | 21:47 |
| flwang | vkmc: so if you have started the sql migration work | 21:48 |
| vkmc | exactly yes | 21:48 |
| flwang | just go for it | 21:48 |
| vkmc | ok | 21:48 |
| flwang | i will try to submit at least the spec of delay queue in Mitaka and so that we can get it done in the early of N | 21:48 |
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| flwang | ok, any other feature we need to talk at here? | 21:52 |
| flwang | #topic open discussion | 21:52 |
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| flwang | vkmc: i will take vacation from 25 Dec to 4 Jan, back to work on 5 Jan | 21:53 |
| flwang | but i will work in the vacation for email things and code review | 21:53 |
| vkmc | flwang, that's great! | 21:53 |
| flwang | vkmc: what's your plan? | 21:53 |
| vkmc | I saw that meetings will be canceled for those two weeks | 21:53 |
| vkmc | which is good for me since we also have several holidays on those weeks | 21:54 |
| flwang | vkmc: yep, that's one thing i need to confirm with you guys | 21:54 |
| flwang | are you happy with that? | 21:54 |
| flwang | cancel the next 2 meetings | 21:54 |
| flwang | vkmc: cool | 21:54 |
| vkmc | yeah, I think it's the wise thing to do | 21:54 |
| vkmc | I'll add that to the wiki | 21:54 |
| vkmc | meetings wiki | 21:54 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I'm okay with canceled meetings | 21:54 |
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| flwang | vkmc: cool. thanks | 21:55 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: can I take a "holiday" from Dec 30 to Jan 3? | 21:55 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, of course | 21:55 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: thanks | 21:56 |
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| flwang | ok, anything else? | 21:59 |
| flwang | otherwise, let close the meeting and see you guys next year :D | 22:00 |
| flwang | at here | 22:00 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 21 22:00:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-21-20.59.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-21-20.59.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-12-21-20.59.log.html | 22:00 |
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