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sheeprineSorry, guys I'm late to the meeting.14:20
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sheeprinehuats: gpocentek: here?14:20
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sheeprineWaiting 5 more minutes for you guys14:23
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sheeprineOk, we need to find a new time for this meeting. See you later.14:30
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sfinucanmarkus_z: I'm here :)15:01
markus_z#startmeeting nova-config-options15:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 15:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markus_z. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-config-options)"15:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_config_options'15:01
markus_zsfinucan: hey ho, let's see who got the short notice message15:01
ryansbmarkus_z: uh, this is the zaqar meeting time/channel15:02
ryansbI don't see nova-config on the os-meeting-cal15:02
ccarmacko/15:02
markus_zryansb: I didn't see that in the ical15:02
ryansboh >.> don't mind me, I'm off by a week15:02
ryansbcarry on15:03
markus_zryansb: cool :) did I interrupt maybe another meeting, so speak up :)15:03
ryansbno, doesn't seem like it (from the cal) sorry for the interruption15:03
markus_zno worries15:04
markus_zah, well, let's just do it15:04
markus_z#topic current state15:04
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markus_zso it's ccarmack and sfinucan15:05
ccarmackhi15:05
markus_zhey ho15:05
markus_z#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083598.html15:05
markus_zI just wanted to have a short chat about the work on nova's config options15:05
markus_zand again, thanks for your support their15:05
markus_zdo you maybe have some open questions until this point?15:06
ccarmackmarkus_z: I had a question about testing...15:06
markus_zccarmack: ok, go on15:07
ccarmackDo we need to write new tests if need to verify the options are not broken15:07
ccarmackI'm not sure the current tests exercise all the options15:07
markus_zccarmack: I'd say "no".15:07
markus_zAre you worried that they don't get read?15:08
ccarmackI'm more worried about breaking on option, like changing the name or the default15:08
ccarmackI guess careful inspection is what we can do15:09
markus_zthe name change should already be catched by unit tests15:09
sfinucanccarmack: If you don't actually change the default or name you should be fine, right?15:10
sfinucanI mean, you could but a code reviewer _should_ pick it up15:10
ccarmacksfinucan: yes, just need to be careful15:10
markus_zI will have a look at that in the reviews15:10
ccarmackok15:11
sfinucanccarmack: True. I've kept changes related to renamed groups etc. in different commits15:11
markus_zI don't think we need additional testing here.15:11
markus_zrenaming groups is a different thing. That needs deprecation and reno files15:11
markus_zDid that already happen and I overlooked it?15:12
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sfinucanmarkus_z: Not from me, no15:12
sfinucanI have some in review sans reno, but I'll go fix that soon :)15:12
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markus_zok, cool15:12
sfinucanmarkus_z: I have a question, so?15:13
markus_zsfinucan: sure15:13
sfinucanIs there anyway to go about getting these merged faster?15:13
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markus_zThis review should be the last one which helps us with the merge conflicts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26001515:14
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markus_zThat should speed things up15:14
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markus_zI guess I'm the bottleneck right now15:14
markus_zAs long as I don't +1 it the cores won't look at it15:14
sfinucanmarkus_z: Ah - I saw that but didn't know how critical it was. I'll rebase my changes onto it15:15
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sfinucan...or wait for it to merge15:15
markus_zsfinucan: yeah, wait for the merge. I'm fighting with XENCI right now. Should be done by today.15:15
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sfinucanOK. Even once that bottleneck's cleared though, I'm finding it hard to get eyes on. None of us are cores so we can't force things :(15:15
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markus_zIt also helps if you already have the enhanced help texts in a followup patch15:15
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sfinucanmarkus_z: Oh yeah?15:16
sfinucanI was figuring they'd be more contentious, so was focusing on the easier, even-lower-hanging fruit first :)15:16
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markus_zyeah, that's the main focus of this task15:16
markus_zIt should be somehow a single bucket to look at15:17
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sfinucanThis is true15:17
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sfinucanOK, I'll put some energy into that later today/tomorrow so15:17
markus_zmitaka-2 milestone is ahead any many people try to merge their features, that's also why the cores have less time15:17
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sfinucanmarkus_z: also true (I'm one of those people)15:18
sfinucanmarkus_z: One more question?15:18
sfinucanHow broad reaching is this spec going to be?15:18
markus_zI have to discuss with our PTL if we will be concerned by the cut-off date or if we can keep on pushing changes as we don't provide a feature which could introduce major bugs15:18
markus_zwhat do you mean by that?15:18
sfinucanAre we going to be concerning ourselves with those "items for consideration"?15:19
sfinucani.e. "this patch is a stringopt when it should be an integeropt"15:19
markus_zhm, what are "items of consideration"? Did I miss something?15:19
markus_zah, ok, got it15:19
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markus_zjust note it down for later15:20
markus_zthe main focus is help text for our opts15:20
ccarmacksfinucan: for the help text, I see you committed the vnc changes.  I did the spice changes, but have different help text.   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264271/15:20
markus_zgood help texts for our opts15:20
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ccarmackwe should have simliar text for the console groups15:20
markus_zsounds reasonable, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good15:21
sfinucanccarmack: Agreed. I copied mine from somewhere else, though I don't recall where...15:21
sfinucanI'm happy to fix - feel free to stick in 'nit:' comments as suits, ccarmack15:21
ccarmacksfinucan: maybe when are changes are reviewed, we can match up the help text15:21
ccarmackok, will do15:21
markus_zok, cool, more questions?15:22
sfinucanccarmack: Maybe stick in the "preferred" format in the spec - I'll copy that15:23
sfinucanmarkus_z: Not from me, no15:23
ccarmackmarkus_z: I'm good15:23
markus_zok, I'd like to give you a heads up for this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260015/415:24
markus_zIt introduces a change for your /nova/conf/xxx.py modules15:24
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markus_zIn the previous patches you returned a tuple in "list_opts", like return ("vnc", vnc_opts)15:25
markus_zthat will change to a dict like return { "vnc": vnc_opts }15:26
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markus_zthe new "nova/conf/opts.py" module will then read it in and everything is fine15:26
sfinucanmarkus_z: Sounds good. I'd suggest also putting that into the spec15:26
markus_zyou just have to remove a previous reference in the old "nova/opts.py" (or similar)15:26
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markus_zsfinucan: yeah, a follow up patch there makes sense, it's a somewhat bigger change in that concept15:27
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markus_zthe change also means that all the spread "opts.py" modules will be stripped down with the listing of the config options until they don't have any listing anymore15:28
markus_zbecause everything is done automatically by the one and only "nova/conf/opts.py"15:29
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markus_zall other opts.py modules will be deleted at the end15:29
markus_zdoes that make sense to you?15:29
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markus_z#link example of stripping down an opts.py module: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260015/4/nova/opts.py15:30
sfinucanmarkus_z: Yes, I think so15:31
sfinucanIf not, I'll ping you :)15:31
markus_z:) yepp, please do so15:32
markus_zok, that are the major points I wanted to discuss15:32
markus_zThanks again for helping with that15:32
markus_zAny open questions?15:33
ccarmacknone from me15:33
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markus_zcool, thanks for your participation :)15:33
markus_z#endmeeting15:34
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j^2o716:00
jklare#startmeeting openstack_chef16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 16:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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jklarehey everyone16:01
j^2Hey16:01
jklareyou were too early j^2 :D16:01
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j^2Ha!16:01
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sc`good $time_of_day16:01
jklarehi sc`16:01
calbers_o/16:01
jklaresooooo16:02
jklaretopics for today (apart from the elephant in the room)16:02
jklare?16:02
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j^2Voting16:02
j^2I need yalls votes16:02
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j^2For the board. It went out today/a couple hours ago16:03
jklaresaw it16:03
j^2:)16:03
jklareinteresting candidates16:03
jklarebut not too many new faces16:03
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jklarewhich is also positive i guess16:04
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j^2Yep, that's my advantage. I have a new enough face, and new ideas to help steer OS in a better direction16:04
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jklarei do not think that your face is new to anyone out there in the openstack community16:05
sc`gmail spammed the email for me. thanks, alphabet :D16:05
jklare:)16:05
jklarebut i guess that is a big plus for your candidacy16:05
jklarepeople know you even though you were not on the board16:05
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sc`j^2: i have a bit of a conflict of interest :p16:06
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jklaredid somebody else offer you more money than j^2 sc` ?16:06
j^2Hey! I though you could vote for a few? I need to double check that16:07
jklareyou can16:07
jklareyou can distribute your 8 votes between max 8 people16:07
jklareobviously16:07
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jklare9 would be too much here16:07
jklareok, lets get back to our chef-openstack meeting16:07
j^2:)16:07
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sc`yes, back to the elephant in the room16:08
jklare#topic refactoring (yay, yay, YAY!!!)16:08
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jklareso calbers_ and me made a lot of progress last week and markvan and j^2 did some good reviews16:08
jklaresc` promised to do the same this week16:08
j^2Yay!16:08
jklarewhich is great16:09
jklareYAY16:09
markvanyup, put my chef hat back on for a bit...16:09
sc`is any of it expected to work with openstack-chef-repo yet?16:09
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jklarei think all of the simplification patches (moving attributes around and using a new template logic) works with our integration test16:09
jklarethe new patch in common, which refactores a lot of the library code, will break all of this functionality until all cookbooks got the corresponding patches16:10
jklarecalbers_ and me did these patches for identity16:11
jklareif we decide to go with this big common patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249133/16:11
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jklarewe need to add the endpoint refactoring (like done here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264775/) to all other patches before we can merge them16:12
jklarespecs will just fail until then16:12
jklarei think this would be the right way to go, but this is also the point of no return16:13
j^2Go for it16:13
jklarei shall not merge my own patches :D16:13
sc`we should start getting this stuff merged this week16:14
markvanI think your on the right track...and yeah, there's no going back after this16:14
sc`yup16:14
jklaregreat16:15
jklareand YAY16:15
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jklareso calbers_  and me will try to do the same patches we did for identity (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cookbook-openstack-identity+status:open) in all the other core cookbooks16:15
jklareif we merge common first, we need to do this in one big patch i guess16:15
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jklarewhich will look like a 40% rewrite for most of them and 90% rewrite for network16:16
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jklarebecause our network cookbook is really really ugly right now16:16
markvanthat can only be goodness for the network story...16:17
jklarei think network needs this if we want to keep up with all the stuff that has been done during the last year16:17
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jklareand we also need to simplify a lot of steps if we want to add all the cool new features in the next release16:18
j^2Awesome!16:18
markvanagreed, it's current layout was basd upon old neutron arch.   I would almost go as far as to say that nova networking should be a completely separate path/recipe/cookbook16:19
j^2markvan: I can see/agreed with you there16:19
jklaremarkvan agreed16:19
sc`+116:19
jklareok, i guess that means we should try to first get this one in (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249133/)16:20
jklarethis will break everything16:20
jklareYAY16:20
sc`nova-network is different from neutron is different from other sdn solutions. each require their own deployment cookbooks/paths to be laid down properly. this isn't any different16:20
jklarecalbers_ and me will bring these 3 commits here (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cookbook-openstack-identity+status:open) down to one big commit (which will be easier to review than the three are now i guess)16:21
sc`jklare: let's break stuff :D16:21
jklareafter we merged this, we can do the same for all the other core cookbooks16:22
jklarewhich will lead us to wonderful and shiny refactored core cookbooks16:23
markvanjklare:  I see there are several small "issues" that have come up, I would like to see these tracked somewhere ( bugs or in BP work area)  (activesupport, refactor msg, other refactoring...)16:23
jklaremarkvan agreed16:23
jklaremarkvan we should track these in the bp (i created one a while ago, but forgot to use it=16:23
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markvanyes, that would be fine...16:24
jklarebut there is one big issue to this refactoring process16:24
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jklarecalbers_ and me have but in a lot of effort so far to get these core cookbooks refactored and will continue this for all the ones we have targeted to far16:24
jklaresadly our employer also wants to see some results ~= a deployed openstack16:25
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jklarewhich means that after we finished these cookbooks, we will mainly focus on the deployment with these ones16:25
jklareand continue to patch them16:26
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jklarebut this also means that we will probably not have the time to do the same refactoring for all the not-so-core cookbooks we have16:26
jklareand after we merge common, these cookbooks will not work until refactored16:26
markvanthat's totally reasonable, we should just track TODOs in the BP for the other non-core cookcooks, and hopefully others that are interested will step in to help with those16:27
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jklareok16:27
sc`if core functionality for mitaka is there by the time my team gets to it, expect patches for the non-core cookbooks16:28
markvanwith focus on the core stuff, I'm sure there will be followup tweak patches to make this whole again, so it's probably for the best not to spread this to far yet.16:28
markvanwould be unneeded churn.  and it gives you more flexibility to "twist" this new design a bit further without worring about non-core stuff16:29
jklaresounds good16:29
markvanwe just need to track it16:29
jklareyep16:30
jklarewe will use the blueprint and i will also work again on the corresponding spec we approved a while ago16:30
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jklareto track all the details we refactored in core and give a good guideline what needs to be done for the others16:31
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markvanyeah, a high level todo list for the non-core stuff would be good16:31
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jklareagreed16:32
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jklareok, no more topics on my list16:33
jklareanything else you want to talk about?16:33
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j^2nope16:34
sc`i'm good16:34
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jklareok, thanks for attending and see your around16:50
jklare#endmeeting16:50
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rpiosoo/17:00
jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 17:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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rpiosoo/17:00
jrollhi everyone17:00
TheJuliao/17:00
jlvillal\o/17:00
lucasagomeshi there17:00
dtantsuro/17:00
rloohi17:00
NobodyCamo/17:00
mgouldo/17:00
jrollas always, agenda is here:17:00
jroll#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting17:00
krtayloro/17:00
jrollnice and light today :)17:00
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devanandao/17:01
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jroll#topic announcements and reminders17:01
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sambettso/17:01
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jroll#info IPA releases this week, 1.1.0 from master and 1.0.1 from stable/liberty17:01
[1]cdearborno/17:01
vdroko/17:01
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cineramao/17:01
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jrollalso, networks patches are very close, I'd love to get eyes on those17:02
jrollanyone else have announcements?17:02
jlvillalGate?17:02
rloojroll: midcycle virtual whatever?17:02
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jrollditto for manual cleaning, those have 2x +217:02
jrollrloo: let's talk in open discussion17:02
rloojroll: ok17:02
jrolljlvillal: gate should be clear now afaik17:02
e0nejroll: I've got one from cinder side but I could hold it until open discussion17:03
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jlvillalGreat!17:03
rloojroll: wasn't there a gate issue in stable/liberty or kilo?17:03
jrolle0ne: yes pls17:03
dtantsurgate is NOT clear yet17:03
lucasagomeswe still need to get the patches to allow dib to be tested from source in17:03
jrolloh17:03
jrolldtantsur: can you give more info please?17:03
dtantsurbut will be as soon as DIB pinning finally lands17:03
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jrollrloo: timeoutssssss17:03
dtantsurthe patch to g-r is in flight: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265775/17:04
jrolldtantsur: oh, got it, thanks17:04
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krotschecko/17:04
dtantsurafter that please make sure we do land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264736/ or we're broken again in the next release17:04
sergeko/17:04
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dtantsurKilo is essentially dead due to constant timeouts17:04
sambettsjroll: tinyipa has tested successfully in the gate, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259089/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234902/, the devstack lib patch needs work, but its seems quite fast now17:04
dtantsurLiberty is more or less fine, at least we managed to land all the pending patches (iirc)17:05
jrollcool, thanks sambetts17:05
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lucasagomessambetts, w00t!17:05
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rloodtantsur: so what does that mean wrt kilo -- nothing we can do so no future kilo releases?17:05
BadCubmorning folks17:06
dtantsurrloo, someone has to invest a lot of time in figuring out. nobody did for now :)17:06
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rloodtantsur: gotcha. is there a bug against it?17:06
dtantsuryep, lemme find17:06
dtantsurrloo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/153147717:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531477 in Ironic "Kilo dsvm gate is mostly broken (timeout when waiting for active state)" [High,Confirmed]17:07
rloothx dtantsur, i'll update etherpad if it isn't there17:07
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jrollanything else?17:08
jroll#topic subteam status reports17:09
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jrollas always, these are here:17:09
jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:09
dtantsurany updates on "Node filter API and claims endpoint"? nothing is written17:09
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jrolldtantsur: I've kind of put that on hold until the neutron stuff lands17:10
dtantsurgot it17:10
jrollit won't land in nova this cycle, hoping to come back to it in a few weeks17:11
lucasagomesjroll, should we hold the indexable json fields too?17:11
* lucasagomes still need to update the spec17:12
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dtantsurI would try to not hold everything for the next cycle :)17:12
jrolllucasagomes: keep working on it17:12
rloowe need to get the indexable json fields because that is holding up a lot of stuff like cleaning up how we deal with capabilities17:12
jrollI just personally would like to help get the network stuff done faster17:12
dtantsur++17:12
lucasagomesfair enuff17:12
jrolland I think doing so is more valuable that a filter api without indexable json17:13
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dtantsurI was dealing with capabilities for tripleo work: it's terrible :(17:13
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devanandathe neutron stuff is top priority for me right now, fwiw17:13
jrollya, if we let that slip again we've failed hard17:13
devanandaa lot of people have been putting a lot of work into it for 6 months, and it's very close to done17:13
devanandathe patch chain works in my local OVS/devstack testing, and so far, the code I've reviewed is (aside from nits) very good -- though I haven't reviewed it all yet17:14
dtantsursounds promising \o/17:14
devanandathere's a bit more to do on the CI side - we need to finish the switch to tempest-lib ASAP and rebase a few of the neutron integration patches17:15
dtantsuryear.. we also need tempest plugin to *finally* finish versioning testing >_<17:16
sergekSo far I didn't manage to run the tempest plugin (17:17
devanandaI think we could land all of the neutron work this week17:17
jroll++17:18
devanandathe CI is the main open question for me -- we don't have an experimental job in there yt17:18
devanandayet17:18
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jrolldevananda: let's both review the variables in the devstack patches and if they're all good I can push on the project-config patch17:19
jrollreview them today*17:19
devanandagetting the tempest lib'ification complete will make testing the neutron integration significnatly easier17:19
devanandajroll: agreed17:19
rloowrt tempest lib'ification, what's the delay there? Do we have patches up?17:19
devanandavsaienko: do you have time to do the patch rebasing today?17:20
lucasagomesrloo, AFAIUI yes, we got the patches creating the base struct and copying the tempest code in ironic17:21
lucasagomesand the project config one17:21
lucasagomesjroll, anything else missing ?17:21
jrolllucasagomes: I have a patch removing our tests from tempest tree17:21
jrolland then it's done afaik17:21
dtantsurdevananda, it's probably pretty late for him..17:22
lucasagomesgood stuff17:22
* jroll needs to update that one again for pep817:22
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rlooshall we move on?17:25
mgouldsounds good to me17:27
lucasagomes++17:27
TheJulia++17:27
NobodyCam:)17:28
jrollya17:28
jroll#topic open discussion17:28
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jrolle0ne: you had something here?17:28
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e0nesmall anouncment from cinder17:28
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e0newe've finally got merget "Attach/detach volumes without Nova" spec17:29
e0neand we (cinder team) introduced new cinderclient extension named "python-brick-cinderclient-ext" to local attach/detach features17:29
e0newe discuss it at Summit17:29
e0neit could be used inside Ironic instances to attach cinder volumes17:30
e0nehere is or short-term roadmap: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083728.html17:30
e0newe need more feedback and feature requests from you17:30
devanandae0ne: woot!17:30
jroll\o/17:31
e0neI hope, we'll merge attach/detach stuff in Mitaka17:31
TheJuliaAwesome news17:31
e0neIronic team's iput as very valuable for us17:31
NobodyCamnice17:31
devanandae0ne: is it possible to test this within devstack today?17:31
lucasagomesthanks e0ne!17:32
e0nedevananda: yes, I'll share detailed manual with video later this week17:32
e0nedevananda: for now, you need just to install this extension from sources17:32
e0neis it's needed, I can update you with our progress on weekly basis17:33
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e0nes/is it's needed/if it's needed17:33
devanandae0ne: that's fantastic. once there are some docs on how to test / use it, things should accelerate on our end17:33
e0nedevananda: I understand it. It's my top priority for now17:34
e0nealso, we're thinking about functional tests for it including attach/detach inside ironic instance17:34
devanandae0ne: right now, I'm focused on landing the neutron integration, so I won't have time to personally dig into the cinder integration right now17:34
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e0nedevananda: ok, we've got some time before M-3 milestone17:35
devanandaanyone else want to take the lead on the cinder work right now? if not, I'll dive into it once the neutron code is landed17:35
jrollwell17:36
jrolllet's be clear about cinder; there's two pieces17:36
jroll1) e0ne's work, which shouldn't require ironic changes17:36
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jroll2) boot from volume17:36
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lucasagomesI think there's some people looking at boot from volume but I don't know if there's anyone working on attach/deattach volumes17:36
e0nejroll: you're absolutely right17:36
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devanandaright17:36
lucasagomesjroll, +1... 1) will have changes in Ironic when we start attaching/deattaching volumes via the BMC17:37
lucasagomesbut the brick agent is hardware agnostic17:37
e0nejroll: for the #2 of your list, I need to to take a look on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/cinder-integration closer17:37
jrolle0ne: ditto17:37
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devanandalucasagomes: with brick agent, we could start building images that automount volumes on boot17:38
e0nelucasagomes: it's our first step in integration between projects17:38
devanandaand passing in attachment data via cloudinit17:38
e0nedevananda: +117:38
lucasagomesdevananda, e0ne sounds good17:39
lucasagomesdevananda, question there, the volume information is passed via configdrive?17:39
e0nedevananda: to be clear, it's not an 'brick agend', it's a cinderclitnd CLI and Python API extension17:39
devanandathis isn't BMC dependent, and with [i]PXE booting, could also do diskless nodes17:39
lucasagomesor it's after the instance is deployed ? (wondering if the provision vs tenant network would be a hurdle here)17:39
devanandae0ne: thanks for the clarity17:39
devanandalucasagomes: yes, network will be an issue. cinder vol will need to be visible on tenant network for any of this to work17:40
jrolllucasagomes: yeah, the instance will need a route to the cinder-volume service17:40
e0nelucasagomes: you can use it after provisioning if you have SSH access17:40
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lucasagomesgotcha17:40
e0nejroll: actually, co cinder-api and storage networks17:40
e0neI know that ist's not secure enough for multi-tenant envs17:41
jrolle0ne: yeah, I usually assume the user can access cinder-api :)17:41
e0nejroll: :)17:41
jrolllucasagomes: for instance we have "servicenet" at rackspace - 10. provider network that has an ACL for onmetal -> cinder storage17:41
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jrolland our cinder backend does magic acl things per volume17:42
e0nejroll: what backends do you use?17:42
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jrolle0ne: dunno, it's something around LVM17:42
lucasagomesjroll, I see, yeah... When time comes we probably should document a reference architeture for those things17:42
jrollforget what it's called17:43
jrollyeah17:43
rloonot to be a spoilsport, but we've spent > 10 min on this... can the rest be taken off line?17:43
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jrollsure?17:43
lucasagomesrloo, yes17:43
jrolldo we have anything else to talk about?17:43
lucasagomesdo we have more open topics?17:43
e0ne#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083728.html17:43
jrolloh, midcycle17:43
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jrollso I'd like to do the midcycle in february sometime - does anyone have dates that work great or don't work at all for them?17:44
e0nesorry for the link duplication - now it will be easer to find it17:44
jrollor should I just pick one17:44
lucasagomesjroll, after fosdem/devconf would be ideal17:44
dtantsurjroll, the whole week 1-5th + 15th do not work for me17:44
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e0nejroll: we'll got cinder midcycle on January 26-29. ironic itegration questions are on our desk17:45
jrolldtantsur: the 15th or the week of the 15th?17:45
lucasagomesdtantsur, are you going to the devconf right?17:45
dtantsurjroll, no, only 15th itself17:45
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lucasagomescause it's 5-7th of feb17:45
dtantsurlucasagomes, yes + there're some meeting right before17:45
jrolle0ne: I won't be able to make it with that late of notice, I think. link to more details?17:45
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NobodyCamjroll:this is a virtual midcycle this go round?17:46
jlvillalGood chance I will be on vacation for two weeks starting 19-Feb-2015.17:46
e0nejroll: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle  - we will have online streaming and hangouts call17:46
jrolle0ne: cool17:46
jrollNobodyCam: yes17:46
NobodyCam:)17:46
e0neso it will be great to have someone from ironic there:)17:46
TheJuliae0ne: I'm local to the cinder midcycle location and can attend if you guys want a crazy ironic person to attend17:47
jrollok so feb 16-19 looks pretty ideal heh, or 8-1217:47
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e0neTheJulia: cool17:47
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lucasagomesjroll, wfm, maybe propose both dates to the ML17:47
lucasagomesto see who would be able to join17:47
jrolllucasagomes: yeah, my first priority is cores17:47
e0neTheJulia: it will be helpful for sure17:48
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TheJuliae0ne: putting it on my calendar then17:48
NobodyCameither should work for /me17:48
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e0neTheJulia: thanks!17:48
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jlvillale0ne, You would be lucky to get TheJulia to attend! :)17:48
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rloooh, jroll, maybe mention the new rfc process, or send email about it?17:50
jrolldid we not send enough emails about it already?17:50
rlooerr, rfe?17:50
jrollall I did was write it down17:50
rloodidn't we just update the documentation about it?17:50
jrollyeah17:50
jrollok I'll email17:50
rloothx jroll17:50
NobodyCam:)17:50
* jroll top posts like a boss17:51
jrollanything else? 8 minutes left17:51
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jlvillalRegarding functional testing and how it gets run.17:52
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jlvillalThere was an email thread started.17:52
jlvillalI voted for being able to do it with tox.17:52
jlvillalSo it is easy to do for developers.17:52
sergekyeah. It was me17:52
jlvillalThere were also options of devstack and tempest.17:52
jlvillalAny thoughts?17:52
jlvillalI was going to bring it up in the Testing/QA meeting on Wednesday.17:53
jrollso17:53
jrollthose are two different things17:53
jrollright?17:53
dtantsurinspector does it with tox for developer's ease17:53
jrollI haven't seen this thread afaik17:53
jrollbut like, do it with tox17:53
jrolland there's a dependency of having ironic available17:53
NobodyCamI would say tox17:53
NobodyCamtoo17:53
jrollso if you're in devstack, you have it17:53
jrolland can still run tox17:53
jrollright?17:53
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jroll(assuming this is client testing)17:54
sergekI think we can run tox with DevStack as well like HEAT does17:54
dtantsurjroll, what inspector does (and I think what jlvillal means) is that tox actually starts a limited inspector instance17:54
jlvillalYes. I am thinking for openstack/ironic17:54
* lucasagomes gotta read the ML thread17:54
dtantsurjroll, so it's fully standalone, does not need devstack/any other ironic installation17:54
jrolloh, ironic, not ironicclient?17:54
rloojroll et al: this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083744.html17:54
jlvillaldtantsur, +1  Run ironic-api, ironic-conductor, and rabbitmq.  To start17:54
lucasagomessergek, so setup devstack and then call a tox -e<cmd> that will run the tests?17:54
dtantsurbut I'm just telling what inspector does, not sure I'm fully aware of the context :)17:54
dtantsurinspector-client does the same, it uses shared code in ironic_inspector.test.functional17:55
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sergeklucasagomes: yes17:55
jrolljlvillal: that doesn't make it easy for developers, though, it depends on lots of things outside of pip17:55
jlvillalI think if we developers have to run devstack and/or tempest to do functional testing, then they likely won't17:55
sergekthe question was how to run ironic services - manually or with devstack17:55
dtantsurhttps://github.com/openstack/python-ironic-inspector-client/blob/master/ironic_inspector_client/test/functional.py#L172-L17417:55
lucasagomesit sounds like a good approach17:55
jrollI have to install half of devstack just to start ironic anyway17:55
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lucasagomessergek, when we test in gate, we will already have devstack right?17:55
lucasagomesthis approach sounds good IMO, and it's slim for ironic17:56
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dtantsurI would love to be able to run 'tox -efunc' on my laptop, if it's even possible..17:56
* lucasagomes don't want to maintain yet-another big script to setup everything17:56
sergekI think we can all options altogether17:56
jrollI totally agree17:56
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jrollbut I also don't want rabbit on my laptop17:56
jrollis my point here17:56
dtantsurjroll, oslo.msg has an in-memory implementation17:56
dtantsuriirc17:57
sergek*have17:57
jrolloh true17:57
jrollidk, need to investigate more I guess17:57
TheJulia3 minutes17:57
TheJulias17:57
jlvillalI will discuss it more on Wednesday. And feel free to comment in email thread!17:57
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gabrielzeromq doesn't need broker, might be an option jroll17:57
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gabrielafaik17:58
jrollsure17:58
jrollrabbit was one example17:58
sergekI'd love to have all three options - manual service, devstack and tempest plguin17:58
sergekalas I didn't manage to start Tempest plugin yet17:58
dtantsursergek, I don't see value in manual service option tbh..17:58
sambettsvagrant ?17:58
dtantsurI'd like to call tox -efunc and just have it finish to the end..17:58
* dtantsur sets a reminder to respond to the thread tomorrow morning17:59
jlvillal+1 on tox -efunc17:59
sergekdtantsur: agree. and the question is what happens under the hood17:59
jrollok we're out of time17:59
sambettshttps://www.vagrantup.com17:59
jroll#endmeeting17:59
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flwang1#startmeeting zaqar21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 21:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'21:01
flwang1ok, let's meet at here ;)21:01
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flwang1#topic roll call21:01
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flwang1o/21:01
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ryansb\o zaqarians21:02
flwang1ryansb: hey21:02
flwang1ryansb: will you join the austin summit ?21:02
ryansbI believe so21:02
flwang1ryansb: cool21:02
ryansbunless something major changes, of course21:02
flwang1hopefully we can have a face to face talk :)21:02
vkmco/21:03
Eva-iI'm not sure, but I have a hope21:03
flwang1ok, i think just us21:03
flwang1i only have 30 mins, sorry guys21:03
flwang1so if you don't mind, it could be a short meeting21:04
ryansbno worries - I can wrap it up after you head off21:04
ryansb(assuming we have topics)21:04
flwang1ryansb: awesome, thank you21:04
flwang1#topic docs21:04
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flwang1firstly, let's give Eva-i a big congrats!21:04
flwang1our config-ref patch has been merged21:04
flwang1it looks like this http://docs-draft.openstack.org/05/263405/7/gate/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/24be02f//publish-docs/draft/config-reference/messaging.html21:05
Eva-iyes, this patch was merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263405/21:05
flwang1Eva-i: thank you for your effort on this work, it's really awesome21:05
Eva-ithough Fei Long found a bug which I will fix21:05
ryansbhurrah21:05
Eva-iyay, yay21:06
flwang1and i know the developer doc patch from Eva-i has been merged as well :D21:06
flwang1it's super cool21:06
flwang1so the only thing about our doc is the api-ref21:06
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flwang1if we can make it in Mitaka, it will be fabulous21:07
Eva-iflwang1: I'm sorry, I haven't investigated today about current api-ref situation21:07
flwang1i can't think out another word to describe that21:07
flwang1Eva-i: don't say sorry, it's not really rush21:07
Eva-iflwang1: but my today will still last for few hours, so let's see21:07
flwang1we have already made a great progress21:08
flwang1we can't make it w/o your help21:08
flwang1Eva-i: ^21:08
flwang1Eva-i: do you have any other things we should talk about docs?21:08
Eva-iflwang1: I'm not sure my help will be enough still21:08
Eva-iflwang1: no, now nothing about docs21:09
flwang1cool21:10
flwang1#topic zaqarclient21:10
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flwang1now all the subscriptions patch have got the lovely +2 from a gentleman, now we need another +2 from a nice lady :)21:10
flwang1MD just added the claim support for v121:11
flwang1and i'm going to leverage that to get the claim support for v221:11
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flwang1anything i missed?21:12
flwang1ryansb: i saw your patch for pre-signed url21:12
ryansbyep - adding curl formatting for that ATM21:12
flwang1i will review it today, it's on my list, just FYI21:12
ryansbso wait until I rev it21:12
flwang1i'm really sure we can complete the client work in Mitaka21:13
ryansbyeah, that'll be easy21:13
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flwang1yep, i'm really excited about that21:13
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flwang1i can even imagine the poor client support blocked how many potential users of zaqar21:14
flwang1anything else?21:14
flwang1#topic zaqar-ui21:14
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flwang1i didn't make much progress last week for the zaqar UI21:15
Eva-ime done nothing for zaqar-ui21:15
flwang1so i'm thinking about if i can't work the anjular js work this week, i may go for the normal django way21:15
flwang1any concern? guys?21:16
Eva-iflwang1: what are advantages of angularjs?21:16
flwang1and we can upgrade when it's really ready for most of the other panels21:16
flwang1projects i mean21:16
ryansbnot particularly - I think the value is having queues and such exposed, so angular doesn't add much21:16
flwang1Eva-i: that's the preferred way for the future21:17
flwang1from the front-end PoV21:17
flwang1ryansb: yep, you got the key point21:17
flwang1ryansb: i'm thinking the same thing21:17
Eva-iflwang1: okay21:17
flwang1for now, what we really need is promote the service by UI, anjular js or django doesn't matter21:17
flwang1ryansb: thanks for the feedback21:18
flwang1ryansb: i will switch to django then21:18
flwang1vkmc: ^21:18
flwang1vkmc: let me know if you have any concern21:18
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flwang1ok, anything else?21:19
Eva-iyes21:19
Eva-iflwang1: I know you don't want too many features in this cycle, but me and ryansb want to introduce a new feature. Though I think it's mostly a bug fix. Would you like to know what this feature is?21:19
flwang1Eva-i: sure, i'm keen to know21:19
Eva-iflwang1: current notifications from Zaqar doesn't contain useful info: queue name and message id. The feature is to make notifications send also this info.21:21
Eva-iflwang1: for now notifications look like this: {'body': 'message1', 'ttl': 60}21:22
Eva-ilet me quote ryansb21:22
Eva-iryansb: 1) SNS includes ID and topic in notification http://docs.aws.amazon.com/sns/latest/dg/json-formats.html#http-notification-json21:22
Eva-i2) subscribers are likely to want queue information if they subscribe to multiple queues21:22
Eva-i3) subscribers that want to ack/delete/claim messages they are notified of will need the message ID21:22
flwang1Eva-i: oh, yep, i'm aware of that.21:23
Eva-iflwang1: should I make a spec. The patch will not be big. Very small.21:24
flwang1Eva-i: it think it's a good feature/fix21:24
Eva-iflwang1: while apiv2 is unstable, we can safely do it21:24
flwang1api v2 is stable enough :)21:25
ryansbphilosophy nit: it's a strictly additive change, so even if we'd committed to "stable" in the v2 API, it would be safe to do21:25
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flwang1Eva-i: will the fix/feature change the api?21:25
flwang1ryansb: ^21:26
ryansbflwang1: it will only add the message ID and queue name to the notification21:26
flwang1ryansb: if so, it's up to you guys if you want to propose a spec21:26
ryansbso the message would become {'body': 'message1', 'ttl': 60, 'queue_name': 'foobar', 'id': <ID STUFF>}21:26
flwang1ryansb: given it won't change the api, and the change seems very small21:27
Eva-iflwang1: depends if to think about notification format as part of api. If so, the api change will be backwards compatible. ryansb proven it.21:27
flwang1if no spec, pls file a RFE bug21:27
Eva-iflwang1: okay, i'll do it!21:27
Eva-iwill fill a bug21:27
flwang1Eva-i: given it just adds new elements for the resp, so i don't think it will break the back compatibility21:28
flwang1ryansb: thoughts?21:28
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flwang1ok, sorry guys, i'm going to run for another meeting21:29
flwang1ryansb: can you help host the rest of the meeting?21:30
Eva-iflwang1: okay, good bye21:30
flwang1ttyl, guys21:30
Eva-ivkmc: are you still here?21:31
vkmcI am21:31
Eva-iryansb: vkmc: anything you want to discuss?21:31
Eva-iI can show my new bug report21:31
vkmcnot much... the only thing I want to highlight is that Mitaka 2 is here and we need to cut it soon :)21:32
vkmcso probably all the cool features that you were chatting before are for m321:32
Eva-iokay, I'll to upload binary websocket patch today21:33
Eva-i*I'll try21:33
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Eva-iso we must either stop this meeting or change the topic21:33
ryansbNothing else from me21:35
ryansb#topic open discussion, I suppose21:36
Eva-iokay, that's the bug I was talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-zaqarclient/+bug/153277621:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1532776 in Python client library for Zaqar "Invisible conflict during creation of some resources " [Undecided,New]21:37
Eva-ifeel free to confirm it or mark as invalid or something else21:38
ryansbkk21:39
ryansbAnyone else?21:39
Eva-iNothing...21:40
Eva-ioh, I read it as "anything else"21:40
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ryansbok, well #endmeeting21:42
ryansberr21:42
ryansb#endmeeting21:42
ryansbthanks all!21:42
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Eva-iryansb: and the meeting continues...21:43
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Eva-ivkmc: maybe you'll be able to stop this meeting?21:44
vkmcno, Fei Long can21:44
vkmc#endmeeting21:45
vkmcyep21:45
Eva-iflwang1: we need your help to stop this meeting21:45
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Eva-iit's okay, we'll be able to use #endmeeting after 12 minutes21:48
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is restarting to resolve java memory issues22:05
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flwang1#endmeeting22:13
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"22:13
openstackMeeting ended Mon Jan 11 22:13:53 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:13
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-11-21.01.html22:13
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-11-21.01.txt22:13
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-11-21.01.log.html22:14
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