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| vnyyad | #startmeeting taas | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 06:30:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnyyad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:30 |
| vnyyad | Hello everyone | 06:30 |
| kaz | hello | 06:31 |
| vnyyad | hi kaz | 06:31 |
| vnyyad | anyone else here for the taas meeting? | 06:31 |
| vnyyad | we do not have any agenda for todays meeting, i guess we are waiting for more people to get back | 06:33 |
| reedip | Hi | 06:33 |
| reedip | Sorry, joined in late | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | Hi reedip | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | np | 06:33 |
| reedip | no agenda ??? so I guess #open-discussion ??? :) | 06:34 |
| vnyyad | reedip: sure | 06:34 |
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| reedip | ok, vnyyad :) | 06:34 |
| vnyyad | reedip: did you start on the L2 extension for taas? | 06:34 |
| reedip | No, not yet, was visiting India for holidays :) | 06:35 |
| vnyyad | i am back now and also start looking into it | 06:35 |
| reedip | now I am back so we can start working on it | 06:35 |
| vnyyad | reedip: ha ok :) | 06:35 |
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| reedip | vnyyad: do we have a set of goals for Mitaka release for TaaS? | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | reedip: probably we should co-ordinate offline (mails) on this | 06:36 |
| reedip | for L2 : yes mails or independent IRC | 06:36 |
| vnyyad | reedip: i am not sure, i guess we should bring this up in the next meting when most of us are back | 06:37 |
| vnyyad | i will put this on the agenda | 06:37 |
| reedip | ok, because keeping a track of the goals for M/N release will be great and will help us define the proper timelines :) | 06:38 |
| vnyyad | reedip: i agree | 06:38 |
| vnyyad | i guess the first thing is to get the spec through | 06:38 |
| reedip | Oh yeah, let me look it up .. I think it is not yet reviewed completely by the core ? | 06:39 |
| vnyyad | yes | 06:40 |
| reedip | vnyyad: there is no scope for Blueprints in TaaS? | 06:41 |
| reedip | I was checking it out earlier... can you add it if possible? | 06:41 |
| reedip | I think Infra would have to be contacted( not sure though) | 06:41 |
| vnyyad | reedip: what do you mean by a blueprint | 06:41 |
| reedip | Ok, like we already have Bugs in Tap-as-a-service | 06:41 |
| reedip | we also can have specific feature requirements | 06:42 |
| reedip | developing a new set of features for future or current release | 06:42 |
| reedip | generally these are logged as Blueprints in Launchpad | 06:42 |
| vnyyad | reedip: we have a launchpad page for taas where these can ve logged and recorded and tracked | 06:42 |
| reedip | Yes, but it only has scope for logging bugs, not new features | 06:43 |
| reedip | Reference: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | reedip: i will check it u | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | up | 06:43 |
| reedip | Yeah sure ( This is actually a review comment in the spec itself :) ) | 06:43 |
| vnyyad | reedip: good | 06:44 |
| reedip | vnyyad: If and when you have some spare time, can you also review the new TaaS CLI ? | 06:45 |
| vnyyad | reedip: sure, i will do that this week | 06:45 |
| soichi | hi | 06:46 |
| reedip | Ref: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249570/ | 06:46 |
| soichi | on the last meeting, i guess we agreed to invite folks who are interested in taas to spec discussion. | 06:46 |
| vnyyad | thanks | 06:46 |
| reedip | hi soichi | 06:46 |
| vnyyad | hi | 06:46 |
| reedip | Yeah, it was an action item. I guess we would be doing it next week | 06:46 |
| vnyyad | soichi: it was a task on me | 06:46 |
| soichi | i see | 06:46 |
| vnyyad | i will do it do it now so that they are in the meeting next weekk | 06:47 |
| soichi | thanks | 06:47 |
| vnyyad | should i leave a message on the comment on the spec or should i send out a message on the mailing list? | 06:47 |
| reedip | Both would be good so that no one misses it :) | 06:47 |
| vnyyad | ok | 06:48 |
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| reedip | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-12-16-06.30.html | 06:48 |
| vnyyad | any other topic to be added to the meeting next week | 06:49 |
| reedip | We can take the topics listed in the above logs | 06:49 |
| reedip | otherwise no new AI/Agenda for next week from my perspective | 06:50 |
| vnyyad | reedip: i suggest we take up the agenda next week, when more people are around | 06:50 |
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| vnyyad | i iguess its good to send out a restart mail to everyone in the group | 06:51 |
| reedip | vnyyad: Yes I agree with you. Was only specifying that we can continue where we left off from the above referred logs :) | 06:51 |
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| vnyyad | sure that will be a good starting point | 06:52 |
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| vnyyad | so i will send out a meeting resume mail for next week | 06:53 |
| reedip | +1 | 06:53 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:53 |
| soichi | +1 | 06:54 |
| vnyyad | Hi kaz | 06:54 |
| kaz | hi vnyyad | 06:54 |
| vnyyad | and we can update the agenda page as well then | 06:54 |
| reedip | Yup | 06:55 |
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| vnyyad | if thats all we can cut this meeting short for today | 06:55 |
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| reedip | No more points from my side | 06:56 |
| reedip | kaz, soichi ? | 06:56 |
| soichi | me, too | 06:56 |
| kaz | me too | 06:56 |
| vnyyad | ok then good night or day guys | 06:56 |
| kaz | bye all | 06:56 |
| soichi | bye | 06:57 |
| reedip | asta la vista :) | 06:57 |
| vnyyad | bye all | 06:57 |
| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 06:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 06:58:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-01-13-06.30.html | 06:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-01-13-06.30.txt | 06:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-01-13-06.30.log.html | 06:58 |
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| elisha_r | hi. | 08:53 |
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| ifat_afek | hi Elisha, we will start in a minute | 08:59 |
| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 09:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 09:00 |
| amir_gur | hi | 09:01 |
| alexey_weyl | Hi | 09:01 |
| omer_etr_ | Hi | 09:01 |
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| ayaho | hi | 09:01 |
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| danoffek | Shalom | 09:04 |
| elisha_r | Uvracha | 09:04 |
| elisha_r | hi all | 09:05 |
| danoffek | So we finally have an RPC client server, now we need to integrateit with the Vitrage API, context, ... | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Current status and progress | 09:06 |
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| danoffek | We see the graph data is received correctly from the graph, through the rpc server, all the way to the RPC client and the Vitrage API. | 09:06 |
| danoffek | The vitrage API though, when returning the data, returns it in HTML format instead of JSON, | 09:07 |
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| emalin | hi | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | great news!! | 09:07 |
| alexey_weyl | So at the moment we have 2 problems with the integration for the demo | 09:08 |
| elisha_r | danoffek - what is the reason for the HTML format? do we know? | 09:08 |
| alexey_weyl | 1. which dan has reminded, which is quiet small problem | 09:09 |
| danoffek | Not yet, just raising a probel | 09:09 |
| danoffek | problem | 09:09 |
| elisha_r | got it. tnx | 09:09 |
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| alexey_weyl | 2. integration with the horizon, which we try to understand why it doesn't work on the devstack with all the changed made my Omer | 09:09 |
| eyalb | hi | 09:09 |
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| danoffek | The second part might be a bigger issue | 09:10 |
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| eyalb | I found the problem why the result of get topology is returned as html | 09:11 |
| eyalb | I am working on it | 09:11 |
| omer_etrog | We need to understand how to implement phyton-vitrageclient in Horizon | 09:11 |
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| danoffek | good newa | 09:12 |
| danoffek | newa | 09:12 |
| danoffek | news | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek | so who is working on it? eyalb, omer_etrog, ...? | 09:12 |
| alexey_weyl | Great @eyalb | 09:12 |
| alexey_weyl | i am working on it as well | 09:13 |
| eyalb | it is solved now | 09:13 |
| omer_etrog | we also have issues in AngularJS in Horizon and I try to get answers from the Horizon team | 09:13 |
| ifat_afek | cool | 09:13 |
| elisha_r | eyalb: cool! | 09:13 |
| eyalb | now we need to see why tree representation is not working | 09:14 |
| ifat_afek | ok, anything else regarding the integration? | 09:14 |
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| eyalb | nope | 09:15 |
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| lhartal_ | As result of integration problems, we are going to delay the demo. It will be available on monday in Vitrage website | 09:17 |
| lhartal_ | #action presenting first Vitrage demo | 09:18 |
| ifat_afek | ok, let's move on | 09:18 |
| ifat_afek | PinPoint approved the first version of their use cases document | 09:18 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/_media/pinpoint/use_cases_v2_5.docx | 09:18 |
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| elisha_r | great!\ | 09:19 |
| ifat_afek | as the next phase, they plan to do a gap analysis, so they will check if our get topology api answers their use cases | 09:19 |
| ifat_afek | Ohad and I plan to go over it and make sure it matches our design. We also plan, together with Eyal, to finish our get topology API definition and see that it matches their requirements. | 09:20 |
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| ifat_afek | #action review PinPoint use cases and make sure it matches Vitrage implementation | 09:20 |
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| ifat_afek | I’m almost done writing the documentation of Vitrage graph design and main use cases. Once I’m done, I’ll send it to PinPoint to get their feedback. | 09:20 |
| eyalb | tree representation is working now :-) | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | cool!! | 09:21 |
| elisha_r | nice :) | 09:21 |
| alexey_weyl | great! | 09:21 |
| danoffek | great !! | 09:21 |
| alexey_weyl | so now we don't have any problems with the html? | 09:21 |
| eyalb | yes | 09:21 |
| alexey_weyl | great!!! :) | 09:22 |
| eyalb | need to check the query | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb: we will talk with Ohad tomorrow about the query, ok? | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb: or do you mean there is still a technical problem with the query? | 09:22 |
| eyalb | we need to check the api is working with query | 09:23 |
| ifat_afek | ok, thanks | 09:23 |
| alexey_weyl | but for the demo it's enough to get the full topology | 09:24 |
| ifat_afek | right | 09:24 |
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| ifat_afek | Let's move on | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | Regarding Aodh, I’m still trying to figure out how we are going to integrate with them | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | Our current discussions are about how to get notifications about alarm state change. And there is another open issue of how to trigger vitrage alarms in aodh. | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek continue discussions with Aodh | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | We discussed a few days ago Vitrage Consistency design. alexey_weyl, can you update? | 09:26 |
| alexey_weyl | yes, we had a discussion and a design meeting about the consistency service. | 09:27 |
| alexey_weyl | The consistency service will delete the old deduced alarms on initializing of vitrage | 09:27 |
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| alexey_weyl | and in addition it will every T time will check what old entities we have and delete them as well. | 09:28 |
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| alexey_weyl | in addition every T time get_all will be performed for all the entities from the synchronizer and update them in the entity_graph | 09:29 |
| alexey_weyl | for more details. you can see the design in our documentation | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | ok, we should also update the blueprint | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | Who can update about the synchronizer status? | 09:31 |
| amir_gur | no progress was done this week. | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | ok | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | anyone else has updates? | 09:33 |
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| ifat_afek | moving on | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Review action items | 09:33 |
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| ifat_afek | • alexey_weyl continue with the integration, including zones, hosts and instances | 09:34 |
| alexey_weyl | Done :) | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | • finalize get topology API | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | we plan to work on it this week and document the final API | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | #action finalize get topology API | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | • ifat_afek update the documentation on vitrage main page with our latest design diagrams (of vitrage graph and the synchronizer) | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | almost done | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek update the documentation on vitrage main page with our latest design diagrams (of vitrage graph and the synchronizer) | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | • presenting first Vitrage demo | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | postponed to Monday | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 09:36 |
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| ifat_afek | mitaka-2 milestone is at the end of next week. I want to check the status of the blueprints that are scheduled for mitaka-2 | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | the following links you can see all blueprints scheduled for mitaka: | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/mitaka/+specs?show=all | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-vitrageclient | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage-dashboard/mitaka/+specs?show=all | 09:37 |
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| ifat_afek | the following blueprints are scheduled for mitaka-2: | 09:37 |
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| ifat_afek | synchronizer-get-all-instances – nadav_yakar | 09:38 |
| ifat_afek | amir_gur: do you know the status of this blueprint? | 09:38 |
| amir_gur | moment | 09:38 |
| emalin | it's almost done | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek | what's missing? can it be ready for next Thursday? | 09:39 |
| emalin | We just wait to hear from the transformer people if something is missing | 09:40 |
| emalin | I think you may want some timer that run the get all | 09:40 |
| lhartal_ | noothing is missing :) | 09:40 |
| lhartal_ | For Mitaka 3 we need to add support for update events | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: and the timer can be ready for next week? | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek | for mitaka-2 our goal was to support get topology for nova entities: zones, hosts and instances. so I'm trying to see if this can be done by next Thursday | 09:42 |
| ifat_afek | next blueprint: | 09:42 |
| ifat_afek | get-topology-api – eyalb + dany (working on the api handler) | 09:42 |
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| danoffek | The Standard flow of the "API Handler" (full RPC client server) will be done by next week. | 09:43 |
| danoffek | Preparing it for sub processing and standard schedueling on the service side might not be ready by then | 09:45 |
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| ifat_afek | so I suggest we create another blueprint for the scheduling, and close the basic blueprint for mitaka-2 | 09:45 |
| ifat_afek | next blueprint: networkx-graph-driver – idan_hefetz | 09:46 |
| danoffek | ok. need approval for that | 09:46 |
| ifat_afek | I talked with idan_hefetz, he finished all the basic functionality. what's missing is the sub-graph-matching, which is not needed for mitaka-2. we agreed to split the blueprint | 09:47 |
| ifat_afek | next: nova-entity-transformer – lhartal | 09:47 |
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| emalin | hi again | 09:49 |
| lhartal_ | I finished to work on nova transformers - it includes transformers for instances, hosts and zones. | 09:49 |
| emalin | I was disconnected for some minutes | 09:49 |
| emalin | ifat_afek did you ask me something ? | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: not yet, will do soon :-) | 09:50 |
| lhartal_ | I'll change the bp status to implemented | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek | great. next: synchronizer-get-all-hosts and synchronizer-get-all-zones – inbarsto | 09:51 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: do you know inbarsto's status? | 09:51 |
| ifat_afek | until email answers: vitrage-resource-processor – alexey_weyl | 09:52 |
| emalin | The gel all stories are done | 09:52 |
| emalin | *get all | 09:53 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: great, thanks | 09:53 |
| emalin | Besides the part of the timer | 09:53 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: the timer should be implemented for each plugin separately? | 09:53 |
| alexey_weyl | the vitrage-resource-processor is finished a couple of weeks already. | 09:54 |
| alexey_weyl | Now after the nova zone and host transformers are done, i have added a test for create entity graph with instances, hosts, zones and node, and it looks great | 09:54 |
| alexey_weyl | every thing is passes, and graph is built as expected | 09:55 |
| ifat_afek | great, thank | 09:55 |
| ifat_afek | next: vitrage-cli - eyalb | 09:55 |
| emalin | The timer would be implemented to all plugins | 09:55 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: thanks | 09:55 |
| eyalb | I am updating it all the time when the get topology api blueprint is updated | 09:56 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb: ok, thanks | 09:56 |
| alexey_weyl | great, before you push it to gerrit i want to sit with you, ok? (emalin) | 09:56 |
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| ifat_afek | vitrage-menu – oetrog | 09:56 |
| omer_etrog | vitrage-menu is done | 09:57 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:57 |
| ifat_afek | ui-system-health-sunburst – alonh | 09:57 |
| omer_etrog | sunburest is in progress, we already show the correct data, and labels | 09:58 |
| ifat_afek | and it is supposed to be finished by next Thursday? | 09:58 |
| omer_etrog | we still have some issues with the AngularJS bindings | 09:58 |
| ifat_afek | ok, thanks | 09:59 |
| ifat_afek | we are almost out of time. we need to talk about the tempest test... | 09:59 |
| danoffek | Do we know of anyone who had similar experience in OpenStack development ? | 09:59 |
| ifat_afek | I guess we should meet and talk about the tempest tests | 10:00 |
| mkoushnir | we need tempest test plan. the meeting in sunday | 10:01 |
| ifat_afek | we have to end the meeting. goodbye everyone | 10:01 |
| ifat_afek | thanks mkoushnir | 10:01 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 10:01:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-01-13-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-01-13-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-01-13-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| alexpilotti | #beginmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi | 13:02 |
| lpetrut | Hi | 13:02 |
| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 13:02:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:02 |
| primeministerp | hi guys | 13:02 |
| claudiub | hello | 13:02 |
| itoader | hi | 13:02 |
| abalutoiu | hi | 13:02 |
| atuvenie_ | hi | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | morning folks! | 13:02 |
| alexpilotti | #topic FC | 13:03 |
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| Thala | Hello All | 13:03 |
| alexpilotti | lpetrut: want to give us some updates? | 13:03 |
| lpetrut | well, a new os-win release has been made, including the FC work | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | nice | 13:04 |
| lpetrut | did you guys give it a try? | 13:05 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258617/ | 13:05 |
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| sagar_nikam | not yet, i have requested QA support for it | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | waiting for QA to take it | 13:06 |
| alexpilotti | this means that with the latest os-win, all FC patches gave green light on jenkins | 13:06 |
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| alexpilotti | we're still waiting for HP reviews BTW | 13:06 |
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| sagar_nikam | jobs were failing today morning India time | 13:06 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: any news from hemna or kurt? | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | are they passing now | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | waiting for jenkins to pass, and then will ping them | 13:07 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: this happened today, so probably after India morning time | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:07 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/hyperv-fibre-channel | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | all patches in this topic are +1 from Jenkins | 13:08 |
| lpetrut | do you guys have any questions on this? | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | and even before, except the last one that was depending on os-win, they were green | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | so reviews could have been done even before, to save time | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | will now request Kurt and hemna to review | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: great, thanks | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: no questions as of now | 13:09 |
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| alexpilotti | changing topic then :) | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | this is with pymi ... correct ? | 13:09 |
| lpetrut | ? | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | #topic PyMI | 13:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PyMI (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:09 | |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: what is with PyMI? | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | FC patches are all with pyMI... am i right ? | 13:10 |
| lpetrut | we use the hbaapi.dll lib directly, so WMI is not used | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: they work either with old wmi or with PyMI | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | and as lpetrut said, the os-win FC part is plain ctypes | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | switching to PyMI, as discussed by email we just released a wheel for Py27 x64 | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | is there any perf impact due to that ? | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: perf impact on what in particular? | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | using ctypes instead of WMI ? | 13:12 |
| lpetrut | other than overall speed boost, nope | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:14 |
| alexpilotti | for FC we also had some issues in API coverage on WMI, right lpetrut? | 13:14 |
| lpetrut | yeah, the reason we were forced to use ctypes is that some of the WMI API functions were broken | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: regarding the new wheel for py27, will try it today and let you know if it works | 13:14 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: perfect thanks | 13:15 |
| alexpilotti | any more questions on PyMI? | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | one question on ctypes ... i hope it works on windows core and nano | 13:15 |
| alexpilotti | of course | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | no more questions on pyMI, will try and let you know | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | next... | 13:16 |
| kvinod | hi guys, sorry to interrupt in between, I wanted to share some results with respect to test that we have done last week, do let me know when can i discuss the same | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | #topic The great networking-hyperv SGR performance boost | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The great networking-hyperv SGR performance boost (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:16 | |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: sure, on what topic in particular? | 13:17 |
| kvinod | in terms of performance and scale | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: any particular area? | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: e.g. compute, networking, WMI vs PyMI, ACL/SGR, etc | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: master, liberty? | 13:18 |
| kvinod | Networking and nova both | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | ok, let's get over the current topic then you're next :) | 13:19 |
| kvinod | we used msi from cloudbase website | 13:19 |
| kvinod | i hope the new one is based out of liberty | 13:19 |
| kvinod | k | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | on the current topic "The great networking-hyperv SGR performance boost" | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | as already broadly discussed previously, we went on with parallelizing ACL management in networking-hyperv | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: want to share some details? | 13:20 |
| kvinod | k | 13:21 |
| claudiub | yeah. so, i've ran some tests, it seems to be doing about 2x better now, using native threads | 13:21 |
| claudiub | and using 5 threads as workers | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: on a host with how many cores? | 13:21 |
| claudiub | at some point, the performance enhancement seems to hit a maximum due to vmms | 13:22 |
| claudiub | 4 cores | 13:22 |
| claudiub | it seems that after a certain point, vmms can't handle many more requests at once anyways. | 13:23 |
| claudiub | i'm currently testing on a host with 32 cores. | 13:23 |
| kvinod | claudiub: so when you say workers, you mean worker green threads? | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: how many "workers" do you have there? | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: native threads | 13:23 |
| claudiub | on the 32 cores, 10 workers. | 13:23 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: what about one thread per core? aka 32 threads? | 13:24 |
| claudiub | but in my opinion, vmms won't b be able to keep up with the workers. | 13:24 |
| kvinod | so you are making use of all cores to schedule workers threads? | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | just for testing, as 32 workers might be a bit insane on production :) | 13:24 |
| claudiub | native threads should be scheduled on separate cores. | 13:25 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: can you do a test w 32 "workers"? ^ | 13:25 |
| claudiub | will do. | 13:25 |
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| alexpilotti | I'd like to see a graph with: time on Y axis and number of workers on X axis | 13:26 |
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| sagar_nikam | this perf enhancements is due to which patch ?, is it the BP submitted by kvinod: or due to pyMI | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | if vmms is the bottleneck as we suspect, the graph will flatten fast | 13:26 |
| claudiub | also, it seems that vmms is working slower depending on how many ports have been bound. | 13:27 |
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| kvinod | claudiub:so has the design changed now and we have completely left green threads and moved on to native threads | 13:27 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: this is the new patchset | 13:27 |
| claudiub | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264235/8 | 13:27 |
| claudiub | native threads patch | 13:27 |
| claudiub | with pymi | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: as discussed last time, this uses native threads + PyMI | 13:28 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | in short, PyMI allows real multithreading to work | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | unlike the old WMI | 13:28 |
| alexpilotti | this way real threads on Python work almost as in a native context | 13:29 |
| claudiub | anyways, the patch will require latest pymi version | 13:29 |
| claudiub | master version atm. | 13:29 |
| kvinod | ok, in that case I would be interested to try that out on my setup (native thread + PyMI) | 13:29 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: that'd be great | 13:29 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: can you pass to kvinod the patch to test? | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: you wanted to discuss some test results .. | 13:30 |
| kvinod | claudiub: can you please share the details to consume the same | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | what was it using ? | 13:30 |
| claudiub | already passed the patch a little bit earlier | 13:30 |
| alexpilotti | this branch includes also a bunch of additional patches that improve other areas | 13:31 |
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| alexpilotti | so if you guys help on testing, it's much appreciated, as usual | 13:31 |
| alexpilotti | any other questions? | 13:31 |
| claudiub | kvinod: so, checkout the commit, install it, make sure you have the pymi master and it should be fine. | 13:31 |
| kvinod | ok, will be good if someone can share the consolidated list of patches that I can apply | 13:31 |
| claudiub | shouldn't require anything else. | 13:32 |
| kvinod | claudiub: also wanted to know how to install and use/enable PyMI | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: pip install pymi | 13:33 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: as easy as that | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | ok, next: | 13:33 |
| kvinod | and how about the list of patch sets? | 13:33 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: the patch you listed depends on the previous ones? | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | I still have trouble finding it in the new Gerrit UI :-) | 13:34 |
| claudiub | it does, but a checkout will take the whole branch. | 13:34 |
| claudiub | git fetch http://review.openstack.org/openstack/networking-hyperv refs/changes/35/264235/10 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD | 13:34 |
| claudiub | so, this will also take the previous commits. | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | perfect | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | moving on then! | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | #topic "Performance" | 13:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""Performance" (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:35 | |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: the stage is yours :) | 13:35 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:35 |
| kvinod | I would like to introduce Thala who does the scale testing | 13:36 |
| kvinod | He is in IRC now | 13:36 |
| Thala | Hello All, | 13:37 |
| claudiub | hello | 13:37 |
| kvinod | So, we downloaded the MSI from cloudbase website and used the same to bring up the Computes | 13:37 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: what MSI? | 13:37 |
| kvinod | This was out test details | 13:37 |
| alexpilotti | liberty, master, etc? | 13:37 |
| kvinod | The installer file | 13:37 |
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| kvinod | Over All VMs Targetted:1k Number user concurrency: 10 Number of VMs per Project:100 Number of Network by Project:1 Security Group used: Default Image used to Spawn VMs:Fedora Dhcp Timeout for VMs:60 seconds | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: there are different MSIs, one for each version | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: did you add PyMI? | 13:38 |
| kvinod | No that is something we did not do | 13:38 |
| kvinod | So I feel I could have done that | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | I still need to know what MSI you used | 13:39 |
| kvinod | We will give one more run with PyMI | 13:39 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: you will need to use mitaka MSI | 13:39 |
| kvinod | so we saw around 37% nova failure | 13:39 |
| alexpilotti | the mitaka one (aka the dev / beta one) is just a nightly build from master | 13:39 |
| alexpilotti | the current production one is the liberty one | 13:40 |
| kvinod | i.e. out of 1000 VMs 37% VM went into error state | 13:40 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: that's quite impossible on liberty | 13:40 |
| kvinod | Thala, could you please tell us which installer you downloaded | 13:40 |
| kvinod | sorry, but we actually saw that happening | 13:41 |
| alexpilotti | while the master one (mitaka) is just for dev purpose, so it's not relevant for performance discussion | 13:41 |
| kvinod | Thala: could you please confirm which installer you used | 13:41 |
| kvinod | Also around 37% failure for neutron as well | 13:42 |
| claudiub | I'm curious to see the nova-compute logs on the hyper-v nodes. | 13:42 |
| Thala | vinod: package created on 1/8/2016 | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | Thala: that's master | 13:43 |
| kvinod | out of successfully booted VM's only 408 got IP assigned | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | so all the work you did is useless, sorry to tell you | 13:43 |
| claudiub | is the msi name something like "HyperVNovaCompute_Beta.msi"? | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: since pyMI can also work with Liberty, you are suggesting thala: use liberty MSI ? | 13:44 |
| kvinod | ok, then do you suggest to bring up the setup with liberty and install PyMI and then run the test | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: definitely. There's no reason to do any performance testing on development nightly builds | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: agree | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | thala: will you be able to test scale with and with pymi using liberty MSI ? | 13:46 |
| kvinod | fine this run we will try with stable liberty with PyMI | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | we will start doing performance tests on Mitaka after M3 | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | then we can compare the results | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | that'd be great | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | i mean with and without pymi | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | thala: is it possible ? | 13:46 |
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| Thala | sagar_nikam:targetting 1k VMs will do that. | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | remember to do a "pip install pymi", as Liberty does not come with pymi (yet)! | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | thala: so you need to run tests twice, may be on the same set of hyperv hosts | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | Thala: in the meantime, from a development standpoint, seeing the logs you collected could help | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | Thala: do you think you could send some of them to claudiub? | 13:48 |
| claudiub | agreed | 13:48 |
| claudiub | also, one detail that was missed, how many compute nodes? | 13:48 |
| Thala | sagar_nikam:I will send to few compute logs <claudiub> | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | Thala: tx! | 13:49 |
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| Thala | but remember I have not enabled debug, no idea what dev will get, better I will run with debug enabled and update you folks | 13:49 |
| claudiub | errors should still be visible in the logs. | 13:50 |
| Thala | claudiub:fine, those error's I can share. | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | Thala: great | 13:51 |
| claudiub | also, it might be interesting to test with abalutoiu's associators improvements. that should shave off a lot of execution time. | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: yeah but that requires mitaka ATM | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | we still have to backport to liberty | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | is that there in os-win now ... in mitka | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | the associators patch | 13:52 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: yep | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | talking about performance, claudiub just mentioned a set of patches that abalutoiu is working on | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | we identified a few areas that can provide a significative performance boost | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | another 20-30% in current tests | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | based on current Rally results, this brings us much closer to KVM, performance wise | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | last topic: | 13:54 |
| abalutoiu | I just finished a test on liberty with the patch that I'm currently working on and it seems to be a ~30% performance boost compared | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | #topic networking-hyperv VLAN bug | 13:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "networking-hyperv VLAN bug (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:55 | |
| alexpilotti | claudiu wanna say something? | 13:55 |
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| alexpilotti | this is the "false" binding | 13:55 |
| claudiub | yeah. so, it seems that there's a small chance that the vlan is not bound to a port, even if Hyper-V says it was bound | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | the result returned by Hyper-V being positive | 13:55 |
| claudiub | there's a fix for this, but it will draw back a bit of the performance | 13:56 |
| claudiub | but we should prefer reliability over performance | 13:56 |
| claudiub | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265728/ | 13:57 |
| claudiub | the fix | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | to put this in context, this is apparently a Hyper-V race condition bug, that seems to happen every 50-100 bindings | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: the issue present in Liberty ? | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | it's very annoying as WMI reports that the port binding was successful, while actually it didn't happen | 13:57 |
| claudiub | after a few rally runs, I've managed to capture this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/483347/ | 13:57 |
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| sagar_nikam | we can check if thala: tests hot the issue | 13:58 |
| kvinod | claudiub: shall we take this fix as well when we do the testing | 13:58 |
| kvinod | ? | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | it happens on any Hyper-V version we are testing | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | independently from the OpenStack release | 13:58 |
| claudiub | yeah, it's hyper-v related | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:58 |
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| sagar_nikam | then do you want thala: to include that patch | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | 2' to go | 13:59 |
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| alexpilotti | anything else to mention before closing? | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam claudiub ^ | 13:59 |
| claudiub | nope | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: before we finsh, FC patch failed jenkins https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258617/ | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | just saw it now | 13:59 |
| claudiub | probably random failure? | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | lpetrut: there's a Python 3.4 failure | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | looks transient | 14:00 |
| claudiub | py3 in nova is a bit... funky | 14:00 |
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| alexpilotti | lpetrut: can you issue a recheck? | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | gate-nova-python34 | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | 2.7 passed | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | time's up | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| sagar_nikam | one more point on pymi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 14:00:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| lpetrut | I've just sent another patch | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-01-13-13.02.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-01-13-13.02.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-01-13-13.02.log.html | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: we need to move to #openstack-hyper-v :) | 14:01 |
| claudiub | we can continue in #openstack-hyper-v | 14:01 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: will join there | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: ? | 14:02 |
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| ajo | hi!, do we have meeting today, I'm now confused because it was held last week | 14:02 |
| ajo | and it's bi weekly, have the calendars gone mad or it was us? | 14:03 |
| ajo | ihrachys ^ | 14:03 |
| ajo | irenab ^ | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: oh it's bi-weekly? sorry, missed that | 14:03 |
| ajo | yes, but I think calendar says it's today/now, | 14:04 |
| * ajo is confused | 14:04 | |
| ihrachys | ajo: hm, just updated from .ics, it's today | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | probably should not have been held the previous week | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | so I suggest to have one now | 14:04 |
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| ajo | ihrachys , you and me? | 14:05 |
| ajo | let's try to gather people | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | ajo: :D | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | ajo: sure people first | 14:05 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 15:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| bklei | 0/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| bmotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | hello | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:00 |
| qwebirc46365 | Hello | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday January 13, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Outdated changes, should they be abandoned or taken care of ? | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234449/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150620/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Healtcheck approach - decision, based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249685/, check the last comment | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Pull requests for ansible roles | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 4.Alarm count resource, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257607/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 5.Sorting alarms, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260697/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 6.Enhance dimension filtering, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266509/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 7.monasca-log-api: | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Security update, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256404/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 8.Other reviews | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Indenting got lost in that agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi qwebirc46365 | 15:01 |
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| witek | :) | 15:01 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | So, there is a lot to go through today | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | mainly reviews | 15:01 |
| fabiog | hi | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | some have been sitting there for a while due to holidays and other things | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | so, if someone has more agenda items | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | please add to the list | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic outdated changes | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outdated changes (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234449/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | So, I don't think that the original author will be resolving that | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | he is no longer on the project | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | however, it looks like he fixed a bug | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | we were waiting on unit tests | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | but they were never completed | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i think someone on the monasca project will need to take ownership for this one | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i don't want to just abandon it | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, are there any volunteers | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | if not, i can try and get looked at here | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | but not guarantees | 15:05 |
| bmotz | I could have a look | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks bmotz | 15:05 |
| witek | I could take a look too | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek | 15:05 |
| shinya_kwbt | I want try too | 15:05 |
| tomasztrebski | me too, but been pretty booked recently, so also can't promise it, maybe at least I will do a review | 15:05 |
| bmotz | I'm happy to defer to witek or shinya_kwbt :) | 15:06 |
| witek | :) | 15:06 |
| tomasztrebski | so many....maybe a person who takes this sooner should leave a comment saying: 'It's mine....do not touch :)' | 15:06 |
| shinya_kwbt | :) | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll get bmotz and witek figure it out | 15:07 |
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| rhochmuth | So, the next review that could use some attention is, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150620/ | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | this one was also submitted by a deloper that is no longer working on monasca | 15:08 |
| tomasztrebski | we had a discussion there but the change is over 3 months old and I am pretty much not sure if it fits anymore or if is needed anyway | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | so, do we want to abandon this one | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | it isn't too important | 15:09 |
| ddieterly | yea, let's abondon it | 15:09 |
| fabiog | +1 | 15:09 |
| bmotz | +1 | 15:09 |
| tomasztrebski | +1 | 15:10 |
| tomasztrebski | actually...-2 ;D | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:10 |
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| tomasztrebski | just a quick joke...;-) | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | OK, "abandon" button hit | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | review is now abandoned | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | that was easy | 15:10 |
| slogan621 | too easy :-) | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | #topic healthcheck | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz, i think this is you | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249685/ | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | i couldn't tell from the comments, exactly what the proposal was | 15:12 |
| tomasztrebski | basically I've made an investigation some time ago and would love to get some feedback for the last comment in that change | 15:12 |
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| tomasztrebski | one thing was not established or covered (doing it as filter via oslo.middleware or separate endpoint) | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure i understand the comments | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | can your provide more details and discuss | 15:13 |
| tomasztrebski | basically, it is possible to run embedded gunicorn with healthcheck only, but it has to be done in separate process (otherwise actual API can't start) | 15:13 |
| tomasztrebski | if done that way, turning everything off is problematic | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | there's a bunch of exceptions coming from multiprocess library | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | by embedded gunicorn, does that mean gunicorn gets included in teh api, as an import? | 15:14 |
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| tomasztrebski | it means that you basically run another WSGI app from within API by having a hook on pre or post start event from gunicorn | 15:15 |
| tomasztrebski | for me it just look really cumbersome and makes everything hard to understand | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | so, do you want to add this, or is your recommendatino to not add | 15:17 |
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| tomasztrebski | I think it is worth adding, it accomplishes one thing, if healthcheck cannot respond that means API is down | 15:18 |
| fabiog | tomasztrebski: why not just having an api endpoint in the same process, e.g. /v2/healthcheck? | 15:18 |
| fabiog | tomasztrebski: so a LB can ping that endpoint periodically | 15:19 |
| fabiog | tomasztrebski: it will be better than the middleware that is always performed for every request | 15:19 |
| tomasztrebski | I think adding a separate endpoint is actually a way to go, it has not been implemented in this change, because I was waiting to cover it at the meeting | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | fabiog seems to enjoy the idea | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | ") | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | :) | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | i was just looking at the comment stream | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | and basically one advantage, if you think about it, is that we have more control over what we want to return | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | i think txv had some comments related to trying to run this seperately | 15:21 |
| fabiog | tomasztrebski: yes, this is simple and it avoids that you think the API is healthy because a "ghost" process is the only thing is running | 15:21 |
| tsv | tomasztrebski, fabiod: I like the idea of separate endpoint for healthcheck too, as that would give a good logical separation | 15:21 |
| tomasztrebski | because in filter (at least with oslo.middleware) you know nothing about HTTP method, so no possibility to run lean healthcheck for HEAD or more complex for GET requests | 15:21 |
| witek | endpoint +1 | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | so, it sounds like we are reaching concensus | 15:21 |
| fabiog | tsv: separated means a new URL that runs in the same process of all the other URLs | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | basically, we would add a new "resource" in falcon terminology for healtcheck | 15:22 |
| tomasztrebski | hmm, so it seems like I got it all wrong :/ | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think you got it wrong | 15:22 |
| tsv | fabiog: sure, but a separate endpoint could be turned on/off with different access control too right ? | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | i think you did a lot of the analysis and research | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | and it didn't work out in the end | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | that's ok | 15:23 |
| tomasztrebski | ;-) | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | tsv correct | 15:23 |
| fabiog | tsv: yes, only some users can access that | 15:23 |
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| fabiog | tsv: for instance services like LB | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | but we don't have rbac either | 15:23 |
| tsv | ok | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | so, how about for now, we do the simple thing | 15:24 |
| tomasztrebski | meaning to say ? | 15:24 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I will work on RBAC for python ... don't know when .. but I did it before :-) | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | thanks fabiog | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | so, tomasz, i think you are all clear to do the simple thing and add a healtcheck resource | 15:25 |
| fabiog | +2 | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | I think I can live with that approach :D [+2] | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | all in favor +2 | 15:25 |
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| ddieterly | +2 | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | are there any other openstack services that implement healtcheck resources | 15:26 |
| bmotz | +2 | 15:26 |
| tsv | +2 | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | just trying to understand a little more if there is any prior method in place | 15:26 |
| slogan621 | seems like it might be of general utility | 15:26 |
| tomasztrebski | gosh, I though I was trying to figure that one out and by that I've found oslo.middleware | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | ahh, i see | 15:26 |
| slogan621 | something you might find in, say, oslo | 15:27 |
| tomasztrebski | it has some built-in mechanism that just plug-in in configuration and here is goes | 15:27 |
| tomasztrebski | + base class to create new healthchecks | 15:27 |
| slogan621 | nod | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | well, at the risk of not doing what has been done before | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | i think we've all approved the new healthcheck | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like we should continue with the next topic | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | thanks tomasz | 15:28 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: tomasztrebski: there are discussions of getting rid of WSGI in openstack, if that is the case our solution will be longer term | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | #topic pull requests for ansible roles | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz, is this also yours? | 15:30 |
| witek | there is a bunch of pull requests for ansible roles which are waiting some time already | 15:30 |
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| witek | mine | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | can you send me a link of the repos, and i'll take a look | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, i've lost track this past 4 weeks a bit | 15:31 |
| tomasztrebski | \notice fabiog do you mean, that WSGI is to be replaced with something something else | 15:31 |
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| witek | now, or offline? | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | offline | 15:31 |
| witek | ok | 15:31 |
| witek | thanks | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:31 |
| witek | some tips for future to make the process better? | 15:31 |
| fabiog | tomasztrebski: I heard rumors that they want to change, but for now it is not clear with what and when | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | witek: just ping us directly if no one is looking at your changes | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | soon enough | 15:32 |
| witek | is mailing list a good place? | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | the ansible repos are managed outside of gerrit | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | sure, that would work too | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | that is probably better | 15:33 |
| witek | nice | 15:33 |
| witek | ok, that's all | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | #topic alarms count resource | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257607/ | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | so, rbrandt has been busy adding some new resources and query parameters | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | the alarms count resource adds the ability to get the counts of alarms in various conditions | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | as well as filter them various ways | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | the main usage is on overview/summary pages | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | previousely, you would need to query and get all alarms | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | and then do all your own grouping and counting client side | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | with 10,000s of alarms the performance was dropping | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | and if paging needed to be done that would further increase the latency | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'm just soliciting feedback for rbrandt | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | i've looked at the code and done some testing on it | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | so left to my own, i would approve | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | but wanted to make sure everyone new what was in provess and agreed with the changes... | 15:37 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I know it would be a bigger change, but wouldn't it be better to dynamically keep the count when alarms are created or deleted or fire? | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | there is also a related question about hibernate support too, and whetehr that is necessary for approval | 15:38 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: and then it will be a really simple and fast query | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | keep the state in the api? | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't think that is going to necessarily work well | 15:39 |
| ddieterly | maybe we need a count for all resources? | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | the queries that you would like to apply aren't known ahead of time | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | so, you would have to keep everytyhing in memory | 15:39 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: no, I got it I think it works as I was expecting | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | ddieterly, a count resource would be useful on other resources too | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | I'd prefer querying DB, at least you always make sure that in given point of time returned number reflects the reality | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | but right now, we are trying to limit | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | the amount of work | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: i agree | 15:40 |
| ddieterly | sure, be for future, it would be good to keep the resources consistent | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | so, my goal is to review this change, and assuming some other reviewers +1, then I would like to get this merged in this week | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | or as soon as all issues are resoloved | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | There is the related rewivew at, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260697/ | 15:43 |
| tomasztrebski | one thing was not answered - is hibernate implementation needed to approve that ? | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | i would say no | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | that would leave this functionality unsupported if hubernate is use | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | is used | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm assuming that all the existing resources query parameters, …, would wrok | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | but the new functionality would be unsupported | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | so, if a query to the counts resourse was done, and hibernate wasnt' implmeneted yet, then it would fail | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth | but, i'm assuming that we aren't breaking anything | 15:45 |
| witek | have to check if we can plan some resources for that | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | so, are you ok with the above statements | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | that i'm making | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | basically, as far as hibernate, we wouldn't break anything, but new features might not work, until implementatino is completed | 15:46 |
| witek | just throw notImplemented at first | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | we'll need to test this ourselved | 15:48 |
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| witek | ok with me | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | awesome, thanks! | 15:48 |
| witek | you're welcome :) | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | rbrandt will test to ensure we didn't break it | 15:48 |
| shinya_kwbt | I will try to test too. | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | thanks shinya | 15:48 |
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| shinya_kwbt | :) | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'm not going to list all the reviews that rbrandt has in flight, but they are all related to the goal of improving the performance in user-interfaces | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | and as a result, they all invovle some new functionality | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | but, we're being careful to not break anything that is already implemented | 15:50 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: also we have the python-client requirements patch that hit another wall. Apparently all the oslo library moved and the update on the keystone client is not enough | 15:50 |
| fabiog | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251674/ | 15:50 |
| witek | just put us as reviewers for hibernate related changes | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:50 |
| slogan621 | by user-interfaces you mean horizon/monasca-ui? | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | well, i mean any ui, that ends up using the new resources | 15:51 |
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| rhochmuth | we are not using any of these new resources in horizon yet | 15:51 |
| slogan621 | ok | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | but those would be great to add | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | so, we've basically done a lot of the pre-work to enable a lot of improvmeents in the monasca-ui | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | fabiog: yes the liberty branches moved | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | joe keen was telling me that they proabbly resolved a bug | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | in the process they bumped versions on some libraries, either keystone or osl | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | i can't recall | 15:53 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: so do you think that bumping up the versions in the client will not create issues? | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | i believe it was a big bump, like a major version | 15:53 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I can do a simple test, update and see if jenkins builds it | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | we were hoping to take the miniaml route | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | and bump versions | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | to whatever liberty is at again | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | but, it will take a couple of days is what i was told | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | and need to be prioritzed on my team | 15:55 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: ok, that is not a problem | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | you might touch-base with joe | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | i don't know if you or someone on your team can resolve | 15:55 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: ok, I will | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | joe put in about two weeks prior to xmas, and then this happened | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog: ok, thanks! | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | sorry about this, but openstack is turning out to be more moving than expected | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | we beleive we need to start making branches, but would like to do that at mitaka | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: i don't think we are going to cover your security changes to the log api | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | as we are running out of time | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | i left some comments | 15:57 |
| bmotz_ | we're definitely quite keen on starting some stable branches at some stage | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | so, hopefully we can resolve y commenting in gerrit and possibly also cover next week | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | bmotz: yes, i think we convinced ourselves we need branches | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | so, for mitaka we'll need to discuss | 15:58 |
| tomasztrebski | we can discuss it next week, in the meantime I will cover your comments | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | so, we've run out of time | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | don't forget we are still plannin on remote mid-cycle | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | on wed/thurs feb 3rd and 4th | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | we should start working on an agenda | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | hopefully i got those dates correct | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, we've run out again | 16:00 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: yes | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | okj, so see you next time ;-) | 16:00 |
| fabiog | bye | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | bye | 16:00 |
| bmotz_ | bye | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| witek | thanks, bye | 16:00 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 16:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-01-13-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-01-13-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-01-13-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
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| eglute | Hello Everyone! This week's agenda, please review and add as needed! #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.8 | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | raise your hand if you are here for the DefCore meeting | 16:01 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge | 16:01 |
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| leecalcote | eglute: here! | 16:01 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:02 |
| * eglute waves to everyone | 16:02 | |
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| eglute | Rob will be joining us a little later | 16:02 |
| eglute | Under the agenda, I have entered a few items that have been resolved since last meeting, in case you are curious. Let me know if you have questions about any of them | 16:03 |
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| eglute | #topic Full data set from running tests submitted to the Foundation | 16:04 |
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| eglute | Right now, only partial test results are submitted to refstack, | 16:05 |
| eglute | which does not provide a full picture | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | The way DefCore is structured, we allow vendors to submit only passing results without any run data associated with them | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | It's just a list of passed tests. I've had concerns for a while that it's really easy to cheat the testing. | 16:06 |
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| eglute | also, does not show the whole picture | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | We had a vendor submit test results that looked suspicious. They offered an explanation that I'm satisfied with, but it may benefit our trademark protection efforts by requiring that privately more data be sent. | 16:07 |
| eglute | and i think we want to have full data, that was the idea originally anyways | 16:07 |
| leecalcote | hogepodge: I inquired about that (cheating) a couple meetings ago. Rob seemed to think that the "Stay Off Grass" sign and the fact that its easy to see who has cooked the books is enough to keep organizations from doing so... | 16:07 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: The subunit results really only include failures. Is that what you're referring to? | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: subunit includes all sorts of information about passes and failures | 16:07 |
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| leecalcote | eglute: Is the concern with sending the full set of data that it may contain tenant-specific information (not anonymized)? | 16:08 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: it's harder (but not impossible) to create a fraudulent subunit file. It's trivially easy to produce a refstack json file. That's by design (not a knock against refstack at all) | 16:08 |
| eglute | leecalcote I think so. however, anyone testing could create new tenants/users/projects just for defcore testing if that is the issue | 16:09 |
| catherineD | background info on DefCored decision on sending pass only tests https://github.com/openstack/refstack/blob/master/specs/prior/implemented/simplify-uploads-by-only-sending-pass-results.rst | 16:09 |
| eglute | thank you catherineD | 16:10 |
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| markvoelker | Sending full data that isn't publicly posted seems like a reasonable idea, but if we're really concerned about fraudulent results it probably doesn't go far enough. Solving that is tricky though. | 16:10 |
| catherineD | Major reason 1) privacy 2) can not differentiate fail vs skip test | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge, I think you mentioned the Foundation was looking at adding additional language to the license contracts asking vendors to certify that their results and/or the test code haven't been tampered with? | 16:11 |
| catherineD | also size of the data ... since we encourage testing of the entire API tests not just DefCore tests | 16:11 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: I couldn't remember, still trying to pull up an actual file. Given that subunit is a standard protocol, wouldn't that still make it easy to doctor result? | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | we can do that | 16:12 |
| leecalcote | Perhaps, to maintain privacy while guaranteeing the validity of results (undoctored) some sort of hashing, signing or encrypting of results (w/o the full data set) could be considered? | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | leecalcote: I was thinking about that last night too...I'm not sure it'll work. | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: yes, but it would require more expertise | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | I don't have a good answer. | 16:13 |
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| leecalcote | markvoelker: because the testing tool itself could be doctored? | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker | E.g. even if we have refstack sign the results before submitting them, it's pretty easy to doctor the refstack/tempest code to give you a window to "fix" results before signing | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | leecalcote: right | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | Living in the OpenStack testing world, I've heard way too many reports of vendors faking data to pass CI. | 16:13 |
| gema | you could make the run that counts remotely | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | It's a weakness of our testing framework that it's hard to test, and it makes independent testing more difficult. | 16:14 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: The issues are iin the fail cases the subunit may include credntial info | 16:14 |
| gema | woulld require to import your public key into the user's machine | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | Really the only way to solve is with independent testing/auditing, but that's a whole other can of worms. | 16:14 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: I've had to do multiple hashing of files to keep a chain of evidence for testing of medical devices | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | The one time I helped a vendor run tests remotely was not a fun time. It's not a sustainable practice. | 16:14 |
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| gema | fair enough | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | All that said though, I think maybe there's a reasonable middle ground here... | 16:15 |
| eglute | I think if someone really wants to cheat, they will find a way. Adding language to the license agreement plus full tests submitted privately sounds like a good solution for now | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | Some basic precautions (like submitting full results), some deterrants (expanded legal language), and some better guidance on how to run tests and what's acceptable will probably head of most problems | 16:15 |
| dwalleck | eglute: ++ | 16:15 |
| catherineD | eglute: +2 | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | Those that remain are pretty likely to be found out via other channels....heck, we already found one oddity and we aren't even running that product (that I know of). =) | 16:16 |
| eglute | i agree with markvoelker | 16:16 |
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| eglute | i think foundation and hogepodge will need to work on the legal language | 16:17 |
| leecalcote | Another middle ground being to add language to force submittal of full test results upon request (in suspicious cases). | 16:17 |
| zehicle | o/ | 16:17 |
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| eglute | leecalcote that is also a good idea | 16:17 |
| dwalleck | Would asking to provide a consistent set of results rather than just a single passing run make any difference? | 16:17 |
| eglute | how do people feel about private results for all runs? | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | So maybe the thing to do here is to explore the potential pitfalls of submitting full results and figure out if there are reasons not to do it? E.g. if that would include "sensitive" data, for example. | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | And also what the feasibility of storing it is... | 16:18 |
| zehicle | we've heard that people are unwilling to submit private cloud data - this could allow companies to submit too | 16:18 |
| eglute | how large is the full data set? | 16:18 |
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| dwalleck | markvoelker: I think other OpenStack projects have found ways to sanitize their logs. I don't think doing that with Tempest would be very difficult, especially if we're only talking about credentials | 16:19 |
| leecalcote | dwalleck: I think there's something to that suggestion given that a one-time validation upon initial deployment doesn't guarantee these same test results a year later. How often are passing test results required to maintain certification? | 16:19 |
| eglute | leecalcote, re-testing is another topic we had been discussing :) | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | dwalleck: agreed, I don't think it'll be a big deal. But we should make sure of that, is all. =) | 16:19 |
| zehicle | dwalleck, what about error data in logs for failed tests? | 16:19 |
| eglute | there is a patch that is waiting for update on re-testing | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | eglute: I think the size of the last full result I had was all of 175kb | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | My suggestion would be to send results to refstack for public review (as required by our open process), and require subunit files to be sent to Foundation (where they will not be made public at all) | 16:20 |
| eglute | dwalleck that seems very manageable | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | leecalcote: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232128/ < recurring testing patch | 16:20 |
| catherineD | I have seen file that reach couple 200 Mb all depending on number of failed tests | 16:20 |
| eglute | i like hogepodge suggestion | 16:21 |
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| leecalcote | eglute, markvoelker: ah, got it. | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | zehicle: I'm trying to think of a case where system error data would be spilled out. If a project is returning sensitive stack traces, that sounds like a project bug | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I'm hoping I only get files with a good set of passes. :-D | 16:21 |
| zehicle | dwalleck, agreed but if it happens then that's a potential breach | 16:21 |
| zehicle | hard to protect agaist infrequent | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | But I have lots of failing Tempest results these days :-) I'll double check to remind myself of what gets exposed | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: What's the feasibility of the Foundation having a separate system to store this sort of thing? E.g. would it make more sense to send it to the refstack server but just not have it accessible in order to minimize the maintenance? | 16:22 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: I would love that. It's more catherineD and her team's decision to handle that. | 16:23 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: ++ that way vendor may be more willing with potential private data | 16:23 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, markvoelker it does not have to be a full refstack. you just need a sensitive drop box that would scrub and forwawrd | 16:23 |
| eglute | sounds like the data storage is a separate discussion, but besides that we all agree that we should ask for full data set privately? | 16:23 |
| gema | I think I'd feel better if the data was encripted with a key that only the foundation can read | 16:24 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, +1 | 16:24 |
| gema | rather than sent around in an email | 16:24 |
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| eglute | sounds like the data storage is a separate discussion, but besides that we all agree that we should ask for full data set privately? | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so sounds like we generally agree that we should look into the feasibility of sending the complete data and work on a design for doing so. Maybe the thing to do here is record a couple of AI's for folks to work on doing some analysis of some of the issues? | 16:24 |
| leecalcote | What motivates vendors to send in tests with failed results anyway? Could the tool make it clear whether the results have fallen below the bar and eliminate having to store large, failed test results? | 16:24 |
| eglute | #action hogepodge catherineD will discuss storage/submission of full test results | 16:25 |
| eglute | #chair zehicle | 16:25 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge zehicle | 16:25 |
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| hogepodge | speaking form experience, the data is really boring. When the program was launched I got a lot of subunit files. Most everybody sends minimized passing results. | 16:25 |
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| dwalleck | I have a failure log with more the half of tests failed that's 450kb | 16:25 |
| eglute | I would like to move to the next topic, since we agree that we want full data set. Lets work out details separately. Everyone ok with this? | 16:26 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, passing Defcore only or all their passing results? | 16:26 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: is that a full API tests? | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | when I run tests I like to see what was skipped and what was ignored and what fails. It helps to diagnose configuration issues. | 16:27 |
| leecalcote | eglute: yes | 16:27 |
| eglute | thanks. | 16:27 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: Just the tests in the DefCore spec if that's what you mean | 16:27 |
| eglute | #topic RefStack requirement doc for DefCore review | 16:27 |
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| catherineD | eglute: I think we agree that we want full data set when ask by the Foundation | 16:27 |
| eglute | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s_dAIuluztlCC6AZ-WO4_FR2CLje1QyS6kbMxlFHaMk/edit | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | Somewhat related, we should remove the test in question from the guideline. QA is going to get rid of it anyway. | 16:28 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: as said earlier, we encourage people to run full API tests not just the DefCore tests | 16:28 |
| eglute | thanks catherineD for sending this for review. I read through it, and it looks ok. would you enable comments on the document? | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | before the guideline is approved | 16:28 |
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| eglute | #action hogepodge to remove the test in question from the quideline | 16:28 |
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| eglute | catherineD would you give a quick overview of things you would most like feedback on? | 16:29 |
| eglute | regarding the refstack document? | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | eglute: will do :-D | 16:29 |
| * eglute thanks hogepodge | 16:29 | |
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| catherineD | eglute: yes ... maybe I should list out the major areas for review in the next meeting .. | 16:31 |
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| eglute | thank you catherineD, that would be helpful. also, if you enable commenting, that would probably be easier to provide feedback | 16:31 |
| rockyg | in the meeting etherpad, pleas ;-) | 16:32 |
| catherineD | sure thx | 16:32 |
| eglute | #action everyone review RefStack requirements document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s_dAIuluztlCC6AZ-WO4_FR2CLje1QyS6kbMxlFHaMk/edit#heading=h.8fxpb1onf6vr | 16:32 |
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| eglute | we will go over next meeting as well :) | 16:33 |
| eglute | thank you catherineD | 16:33 |
| eglute | #topic midcycle | 16:33 |
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| eglute | thanks everyone who voted. March 8-9 in Austin, TX received the most votes | 16:34 |
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| eglute | zehicle brought up a good point that SXSW could interfere with travel, but this is several days before anything SXSW starts (i think!) | 16:34 |
| eglute | so hopefully would not be an issue | 16:34 |
| zehicle | it will start getting crazy on the 11th | 16:35 |
| eglute | anyone has any other concerns about date/location? | 16:35 |
| zehicle | there are some early events, but not the big stuff | 16:35 |
| eglute | We are working on location, and once that is finalized, we will let everyone know | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | eglute: we should also get this listed on the Sprints wiki page. | 16:36 |
| rockyg | ++ | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | #linke https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 16:36 |
| eglute | markvoelker good idea, would you do that? | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | Sure | 16:36 |
| eglute | #action markvoelker list midcycle on sprints wiki page | 16:36 |
| eglute | i also created etherpad for topics, please start adding/updating: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:37 |
| eglute | #topic Problem encountered with changed tests | 16:38 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 16:38 |
| eglute | rockyg created etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/novav2extensionstestchanges | 16:38 |
| eglute | and there was some mailing list discussion | 16:38 |
| eglute | rockyg has some questions here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-January/000990.html | 16:39 |
| eglute | 1. In the discussions, there are multiple times where Chris mentions that a vendor could just use an older version of the test. This raises the questions: | 16:39 |
| eglute | - How would you do this with Refstack? | 16:39 |
| eglute | we could leave this for mailing list discussion, or discuss it here | 16:40 |
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| hogepodge | there are a lot of issues here | 16:40 |
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| hogepodge | I don't particularly care of check which version of tempest is used. Should defcore have an opinion on that? | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | s/of/or | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | community standards and tests change. how obligated is defcore to honor that? | 16:41 |
| zehicle | this lines up w/ the idea of having a dedicate set of test items for DefCore | 16:41 |
| rockyg | yah. is i ok to use old versions of test(s)? This could have some major issues | 16:41 |
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| gema | I would like to have a blessed version that is known to work | 16:42 |
| gema | rather than work with latest and greatest and maybe broken | 16:42 |
| zehicle | orginally, we assumed you'd use the version matching the version you'd test | 16:42 |
| eglute | +1 gema | 16:42 |
| zehicle | but then we undid the version stuff | 16:42 |
| rockyg | originally, Refstack talked of having a SHA for the test set | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | that a company passed in 2015.05 and not 2015.07 or 2016.01 represents evolving standards, and I don't necessarily think that's a problem | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | Well, this case at least demonstrates the possibility that two products certifying under the same Guideline might not be considered interoperable so it's probably worth discussing | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | a sha for the tempest version is easy metadata to add, and could help with troubleshooting | 16:43 |
| catherineD | My fundamental question is why do we have 2 Guideline (2015.05 and 2015.07) for Juno? | 16:43 |
| zehicle | we're not testing Juno | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | my personal feeling is "always use latest", because latest likely has fixed more bugs | 16:43 |
| zehicle | we have multiple guidelines that include Juno | 16:43 |
| gema | hogepodge: our deployed clouds are not latest | 16:43 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, when testing older stuff, new may introduce issues too | 16:44 |
| rockyg | So, we know later versions of tests fixed *some* problems with the tests. That's why we can flag them (one reason) | 16:44 |
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| hogepodge | I'm not so willing to flag tests that reflect the evolving standards of the community. That's just one voice in the committee though | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: So what if the community changes it's mind about something midway after some vendors have gotten a license agreement? | 16:46 |
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| catherineD | For rockyg: 's case, since the certification is for Juno .. they can use 2015.04 or 05 or 07 ? | 16:46 |
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| rockyg | Yeah, and no. We flag existing tests that don't work (have bugs) but we want in eventually, not to take out tests we want (but maybe if changed, to fix if appropriate -- this isn't really appropriate) | 16:47 |
| zehicle | catherineD, yes | 16:47 |
| catherineD | rockyg: in that case you should use 2015.05 ... | 16:47 |
| eglute | catherineD, only 2 latests sets | 16:47 |
| rockyg | Um, not quite. We can use 05 and 07 right now, but will only have 07 and 6.01 once 6.01 is out | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: they can use 05 or 07, but the problem here is really what version of Tempest to use, not what version of the Guideline | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: this highlights that our goals for tests (interoperability) aren't reflected in the goals of the tests we pick (qa). | 16:48 |
| zehicle | eglute, right 2 latest approved. | 16:48 |
| rockyg | Great phrasing, hogepodge! | 16:48 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I wish we could start a test suite from scratch that builds off a list of apis and beaviors we want from an interoperable cloud | 16:48 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: ++ | 16:48 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, I've been suggesting that | 16:48 |
| gema | hogepodge: +1 | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Hmm...not so sure of that actually. The change in this case was made to foster interoperability. It's just that the timelines differed for DefCore vs Nova. | 16:48 |
| zehicle | is a topic at the midcycle | 16:49 |
| rockyg | problem with that, unless its used for gating, is that we'd then have multiple, possibly conflicting test sets | 16:49 |
| zehicle | everyone - that's it's own topic. we should discuss as dedicated item | 16:49 |
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| gema | rockyg: you'd have to use for gating, or else what comes out of the pipeline may not be compliant | 16:49 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: rockyg: refstack-client allows to install with any tempest version, sha, tag .. | 16:50 |
| rockyg | gema, exactly | 16:50 |
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| rockyg | catherineD, is it documented? I don't think we got that far, yet | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: Right, that's why I asked on the ML if they'd tried running with a version of Tempest that predates the additionalProperties change | 16:50 |
| catherineD | yes | 16:50 |
| eglute | +1 on what zehicle suggested. lets move own tests to midcycle | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: https://github.com/openstack/refstack-client < "-c option allows to specify SHA of commit or branch in Tempest repository which will be installed." | 16:52 |
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| zehicle | eglute, based on discussion here, we need to budget a lot of time for it | 16:52 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: rockyg: they can if they do not insist on compliant to the latest Guideline (2015.07) | 16:52 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: thx | 16:52 |
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| * eglute agrees with zehicle | 16:52 | |
| zehicle | may be worth getting up/down decision before midcycle and then focus on implementation if people want it | 16:53 |
| rockyg | Ah, cool. But how about compliant, but a set SHA? | 16:53 |
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| zehicle | any other topics before we run out of time? | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I think Rocky's original mail said they were shooting for 2015.05 since that's what the private cloud version of the product used, so should be ok | 16:54 |
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| eglute | yes, there are a couple other topics, but we can move them to next week if needed. | 16:54 |
| rockyg | No, they want 07, but 07 isn't tied to a sha like 05 is | 16:54 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: technically we should be OK... in reality, a cloud that pass DefCore test may not be interops !!! | 16:55 |
| rockyg | 05 is tied to a tempest label, 4 | 16:55 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: =) Agreed, the journey isn't over yet. | 16:55 |
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| markvoelker | rockyg: Ping me after on #openstack-defcore, I'm not sure that's true | 16:55 |
| rockyg | k | 16:56 |
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| eglute | ok, lets move this to defcore irc/ML later | 16:56 |
| eglute | #topic adjusting scoring weights | 16:56 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226980/ | 16:56 |
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| eglute | please review. I agree with markvoelker but would like to hear other voices on the subject | 16:57 |
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| eglute | this could potentially affect what capabilities end up in 2016.07 as advisory | 16:57 |
| * markvoelker is getting in the habit of writing very verbose commit messages apparently | 16:57 | |
| zehicle | seems like a reasonable tweak | 16:58 |
| zehicle | would need board approval | 16:58 |
| zehicle | should we update the process to have a max change for the weights per cycle? | 16:58 |
| eglute | zehicle would it since it is not in the process doc? only .json? | 16:58 |
| zehicle | nah - nevermind. | 16:58 |
| zehicle | I believe the process requires us to get Board input | 16:58 |
| eglute | zehicle agree | 16:58 |
| * zehicle actually, I''m sure of it | 16:59 | |
| rockyg | ++ | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: I would definitely want Board input even if not required. =) Hence, it's in 2016.next | 16:59 |
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| eglute | we might need to add something about the weights to the process doc as well | 16:59 |
| eglute | and we are out of time. so please review!! | 16:59 |
| zehicle | it is required - I remember when we put it in | 16:59 |
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| eglute | also please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253138/ | 17:00 |
| * zehicle feels like the archivist | 17:00 | |
| eglute | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 17:00:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-01-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-01-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-01-13-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| gema | thank you guys! | 17:00 |
| zehicle | thanks for running it eglute ! | 17:00 |
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| leecalcote | cheers | 17:00 |
| eglute | :) | 17:00 |
| * rockyg *know* zehicle is the archivist | 17:00 | |
| rockyg | thanks! | 17:01 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 20:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
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| robcresswell | Hello | 20:00 |
| neillc | o/ | 20:00 |
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| itxaka | o/ | 20:00 |
| piet | o/ | 20:00 |
| rhagarty_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 20:00 |
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| doug-fish | \o | 20:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:00 |
| TravT | doug-fish: gotta be different | 20:00 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 20:01 |
| TravT | :) | 20:01 |
| doug-fish | I'm special! | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | He's that guy who stands at the front of the elevator and faces inwards | 20:01 |
| neillc | doug-fish: that you are :) | 20:01 |
| doug-fish | lol | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | So, lets begin. Couple of notices first | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Firstly, M-2 is next week | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | We still keep to the general openstack release cycle, so its worth keeping that in mind | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | We need to keep moving on major blueprints for this cycle, and aim to avoid the RC-rush | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | Next thing to mention is the mid-cycle | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonMitakaSprint | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | Make sure to list attendance, and we need to start coming up with topics | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | I think richard had some input on that, but he doesnt appear to be in the meeting | 20:04 |
| mrunge | I'd have topics | 20:04 |
| mrunge | even for mid-cycle | 20:04 |
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| tsufiev | if I get an approve (still in process), I´m going to discuss Horizon profiling | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | Whats the preferred platform for topic discussion, etherpad? | 20:05 |
| mrunge | I'm quite concerned about our angular status | 20:05 |
| hurgleburgler | richard's out through friday | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | hurgleburgler: Ah, I see | 20:06 |
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| tsufiev | +1 for etherpad (it worked before) | 20:06 |
| hurgleburgler | +1 | 20:06 |
| matt-borland | +1/etherpad | 20:06 |
| mrunge | +1 for etherpad | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-mitaka-midcycle | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | List topics/discussion points | 20:07 |
| TravT | i liked david-lyles idea for this midcycle which basically was rapid iterations on reviews and coding | 20:07 |
| TravT | to help finish out the release | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | oh yes, finally merge all integration tests :) | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Heh, its more like an "endofcycle" sprint | 20:08 |
| hurgleburgler | would be nice | 20:08 |
| hurgleburgler | how much time would we spend on that? | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Put names next to topics btw | 20:08 |
| lhcheng | it could be pre-planning for the next cycle :) | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Because I dont think etherpad stores names after you drop..? | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Okay, I've updated the wiki to add the etherpad link as well | 20:09 |
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| robcresswell | I can see that rapidly filling up, so thats good | 20:10 |
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| TravT | i suspect that closer to the date we'll have a bit more items. | 20:11 |
| mrunge | yes, names might be missing after you disconnect | 20:11 |
| mrunge | and names are missing, if not logged in on etherpad | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Yep, good to get content down though, so we can see | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Lets move on to the agenda | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_2016-01-13_2000_UTC | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | We've discussed the midcycle already, so we can look at the django release item | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | #topic Django and backports | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Django and backports (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:13 | |
| robcresswell | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083701.html | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | zigo: If you're around, you may have some input here | 20:13 |
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| mrunge | that has been briefly discussed in this weeks stable meeting | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | As far as I can tell this is mainly a packaging related issue that arises from a disconnect between our release cycle and Djangos | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, what was the conclusion? | 20:14 |
| mrunge | heh, to discuss in #openstack-horizon | 20:14 |
| mrunge | somehow we all agreed, it's a good idea | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | The thread seemed to indicate that backports would be acceptable | 20:15 |
| mrunge | I was looking for logs right now | 20:15 |
| mrunge | zigo got the recommendation to stick with django-1.8 | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | The idea being that we backport django version fixes, so that older versions of Horizon can run on newer versions of Django | 20:15 |
| mrunge | and to fix mitaka first | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | In this case, Liberty and Django 1.9 | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | heh, yep. I'm working on it | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | +1 for fixing Mitaka first | 20:16 |
| mrunge | ah, and we agreed to disagree on need of filing bugs or a blueprint | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | I have a couple more issues to fix, and the infra patches to enable dj19 tests both have a +2 | 20:16 |
| mrunge | I asked to file, zigo wanted fixes first | 20:16 |
| mrunge | congrats robcresswell | 20:16 |
| TravT | robcresswell: that was record time | 20:17 |
| mrunge | oh, wait, do we want to force django-1.9 tests on liberty too? | 20:17 |
| tsufiev | TravT, infra guys seem to be very responsive these days | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: Not yet. Mitaka first. | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: wouldn't that be expected? | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Then we can enabled the tests for Liberty too | 20:17 |
| doug-fish | isn't that was zigo is asking for? | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | enable* | 20:17 |
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| mrunge | doug-fish, /me would think, django-1.9 is out of support while liberty is still supported | 20:18 |
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| mrunge | logs of that stable session are here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-01-12-15.01.log.html | 20:18 |
| mrunge | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-01-12-15.01.log.html | 20:18 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, zigo is asking us to support django-1.9 for liberty, yes | 20:19 |
| mrunge | but that's not: we're gating on django-1.8 and django-1.9 for liberty | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | If its supported, it needs to be tested | 20:20 |
| doug-fish | yeah, I'd agree robcresswell | 20:20 |
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| robcresswell | The question is whether we want to backport the dj19 fixes | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | As well as any others that may be Liberty specific | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: Is this issue in other distros too? | 20:21 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, we don't have django-1.9 for liberty | 20:21 |
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| ducttape_ | it seems weird to go back for a previous release an add support for a non LTS version | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | All I've heard so far is that it breaks in Sid, and I don't consider Debians "unstable" distro to exactly be high priority | 20:21 |
| mrunge | we might have django 1.9 for mitaka | 20:21 |
| mrunge | especially since django-1.9 is a release living for another 6 months | 20:22 |
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| ducttape_ | Liberty supports django 1.8 (LTS) right? | 20:22 |
| doug-fish | yep | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | good enough | 20:23 |
| mrunge | yes, that's right | 20:23 |
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| doug-fish | I think zigo would disagree | 20:23 |
| mrunge | but if zigo wants to support horizon on django-19 for debian and is providing patches? | 20:23 |
| mrunge | we can only win here | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, he still needs our help in fixing remaining issues | 20:24 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | I think if we finalize django19 support in Mitaka, he could backport it to Liberty on his own | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | openstatck projects are careful to backport features. and previous releases seem like they should focus support on LTS packages. my $.02 | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | I mean, in form of custom patches | 20:24 |
| doug-fish | It's hard to take a position on Liberty support without knowing how much we are talking backporting | 20:24 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, zigo had 3-4 patches already | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/drop-dj17 | 20:25 |
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| mrunge | there were about 9 tests failing now | 20:25 |
| mrunge | it doesn't seem to be that much | 20:25 |
| doug-fish | mrunge: thx - but I haven't evaluated their scariness index yet. | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | I wrapped dj17 drop and dj19 into one bp, since thats the deprecation period | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | zigo said an interesting thing: a lot of messages about ´undefined ngusers namespace´ may also exist in django18, they were just silenced | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | There's likely to be one more patch to get it all running | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: I don't have that issue on my local patch | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | hm... | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | weird | 20:26 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell, I confirm the problem in debian, I chrooted to it in ubuntu and it was reproduced with zigo´s patches | 20:26 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, yes, that scared me as well, but one would need to look at that | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | I would be surprised if there is an issue specific to one ng panel and not the other two (I think its two) that are currently in Horizon | 20:27 |
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| mrunge | it might be, there is a different order on loading panels (or so) | 20:28 |
| mrunge | iirc, we had that on django-1.8 too | 20:28 |
| mrunge | but I may be wrong | 20:28 |
| mrunge | it would be good to see actual patches to play with them | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | Overall, we need to think about whether as a community we want to work on the effort of supporting current django versions on stable branches, or whether we cap it | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | Thats the high level issue, I think | 20:29 |
| mrunge | it's like: do we backport features to stable branches? | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | what are the benefits (besides making zigo happy)? | 20:29 |
| ducttape_ | there is a chart with the dates for django support, about halfway down on https://www.djangoproject.com/download/ | 20:30 |
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| ducttape_ | tsufiev - it's about supporting customers with latest and greatest stuff, less bugs, more secure etc. from a horizon point of view it should be 0 difference | 20:31 |
| ducttape_ | but this gets into why LTS releases exist, in my mind | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | LTS is generally for security backports, unless django is different somehow | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | So security shouldnt be an issue really | 20:32 |
| mrunge | exactly robcresswell | 20:32 |
| mrunge | but operators don't upgrade their installation every 6 month | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | But so far we've capped Django at the highest supported version when we release Horizon | 20:33 |
| mrunge | openstack is infrastructure | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | So it'll be 1.9 for Mitaka | 20:33 |
| TravT | unless you r ducttape_, then you do it "whenever you really want something" | 20:33 |
| ducttape_ | correct. I pay a high price for the bleeding edge | 20:34 |
| mrunge | yepp, robcresswell | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | I think backporting will start to get messy and potentially not possible especially crossing the LTS boundaries | 20:34 |
| mrunge | we don't support django-1.7 anymore no? | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | liberty is >= 1.7 < 1.9 | 20:36 |
| mrunge | uh oh | 20:36 |
| mrunge | 1.7 is not supported any more by upstream | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | yeah | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | so you get 1.8. that choice is easy | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | ;) | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | but the code still has to work with 1.7 | 20:37 |
| mrunge | but in theory, we should still be supporting 1.7 | 20:37 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:37 |
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| robcresswell | Interesting. We would have to drop 1.7 to support 1.9. | 20:37 |
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| mrunge | can we do that? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | right which seems like a poor trade | 20:37 |
| mrunge | I mean, doesn't zigo has liberty on django-1.7? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure we should | 20:37 |
| mrunge | ... on current debian? | 20:38 |
| mrunge | I may be wrong here | 20:38 |
| mrunge | anyone? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I think liberty on 1.9 | 20:38 |
| ducttape_ | I would think apt would install 1.8, if that is in a repo | 20:38 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | hi, sorry I'm late | 20:38 |
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| robcresswell | Sid is 1.9, but I've no idea what Jessie is on | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: No problem, we're discussing the django backport thing | 20:39 |
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| mrunge | but sid is not released yet | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | but we can't break existing installs for liberty with 1.7 by supporting 1.9 | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | Sid never releases | 20:39 |
| mrunge | jessie has django-1.7 | 20:39 |
| mrunge | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-django | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | It looks like Jessie is on 1.7 and Stretch on 1.9 from what I can tell | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | Yep | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | I think non-backward incompatible fixes are fine to merge on liberty, but anything that breaks 1.7 support will have to be downstream | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | So supporting Sid means breaking stable, which is silly. | 20:40 |
| mrunge | sounds good to me | 20:40 |
| mrunge | (to what david said) | 20:40 |
| TravT | david-lyle: the voice of reason | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | I agree too, I think. It's a shame zigo isn't here. | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | Anyone against what david said? | 20:41 |
| mrunge | as a break-down: as long as patches support both django-1.7 and 1.8 and 1.9, everything is fine | 20:42 |
| TravT | you can do an actual vote robcresswell | 20:42 |
| TravT | if needed | 20:42 |
| TravT | #startvote (question) ? choice1, choice2 | 20:42 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 20:43 |
| TravT | #endvote | 20:43 |
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| TravT | FYI | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Just looking for discussion, thats all, but it seems we're okay | 20:43 |
| mrunge | do we need to vote? is this controversial? | 20:43 |
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| TravT | doesn't seem like it | 20:43 |
| neillc | I don't think so | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | #agreed We shouldn't be backporting changes that break django compatibility at the time of release. So no 1.9 update for Liberty. | 20:44 |
| tsufiev | the only person who could vote against is not here | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | (I think thats the format for that :p ) | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | There are no more agenda items | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:44 |
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| robcresswell | #chair david-lyle | 20:45 |
| openstack | Current chairs: david-lyle robcresswell | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | Sorry, forgot to do that earlier. | 20:45 |
| TravT | i thought i'd mention that Piet is running some UX meetings on Friday of the week of the mid-cycle | 20:45 |
| TravT | not sure exactly the topics | 20:45 |
| piet | Working on topics | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | in addition to London? | 20:46 |
| piet | Yeah | 20:46 |
| piet | I happened to be in the Northwest to visit family, so thought I would spend a day in Portland. | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | so we're all visiting your family? | 20:46 |
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| david-lyle | ) | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | That's very generous of them | 20:47 |
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| tqtran | home cook food woot! | 20:47 |
| piet | I wouldn't recommend it | 20:47 |
| piet | I'm the sanest one | 20:47 |
| rhagarty_ | do we have a list of blueprints slated for mitaka? | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | enough said | 20:47 |
| ducttape_ | so then drinks it is! | 20:47 |
| mrunge | you're trying to scare us? | 20:47 |
| mrunge | rhagarty_, isn't that a bit early? | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | rhagarty_: we have https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities and launchpad | 20:48 |
| rhagarty_ | thanks... | 20:48 |
| piet | Is it open dance? I have an ask.... | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | the launchpad side is fluid and mostly for tracking what's done | 20:49 |
| rhagarty_ | I have a cinder blueprint I'm working on... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/cinder-consistency-groups | 20:49 |
| rhagarty_ | was hoping to see it on some prioprity list | 20:49 |
| rhagarty_ | patch is here (first of two) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257630/ | 20:50 |
| rhagarty_ | I see next week is a Cinder blueprint freeze... not sure if mine made the cut list | 20:52 |
| TravT | rhagarty_: i believe the correct process would be to send cash payments to a few people. | 20:52 |
| rhagarty_ | that can be arranged | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | Or the promise of beer | 20:52 |
| hurgleburgler | LOL | 20:52 |
| tsufiev | just the promise ) | 20:52 |
| matt-borland | lol | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | rhagarty_: didn't the bp state that the cinder side was in in Kilo? | 20:53 |
| tsufiev | promise-driven development | 20:53 |
| hurgleburgler | bribe-driven development | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: that's angular, right? | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | hahaha | 20:53 |
| rhagarty_ | david-lyle, yes, Cinder side done. Am I reading "Cinder freeze" wrong? | 20:54 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, pretty good term for it :) | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | cinder freeze is only for cinder projects | 20:54 |
| rhagarty_ | oh, ok. | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | for what we are going through with angular we promise to drink more beer | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | we tend to be less organized^H^H^H^H^H strict | 20:54 |
| TravT | ++ | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | jquery is still available | 20:55 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 20:55 |
| neillc | r1chardj0n3s: +1 | 20:55 |
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| TravT | libraries are for n00bs. i think we should go to straight javascript | 20:55 |
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| hurgleburgler | old school, i like it | 20:56 |
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| rhagarty_ | I would have loved to use angular, but it was a new tab to an existing django panel, a I didn't feel that would be a good starting point for my first attempt at angular | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | Python is fine | 20:56 |
| tsufiev | TravT, DOM is for n00bs, we should use good old document.write() | 20:56 |
| tsufiev | :) | 20:56 |
| TravT | rhagarty_: i think that is a correct starting point | 20:56 |
| TravT | tsufiev: nice | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | rhagarty_: no need to do anything crazy | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | agreed | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | As for the bp, it looks like its already approved, just needs a new milestone target | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | Now you just need to fight for reviews :D | 20:57 |
| rhagarty_ | robcresswell, yup... that's what my previous comments were for :) | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | rhagarty_: set for m- | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | 3 | 20:58 |
| rhagarty_ | david-lyle, thanks | 20:58 |
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| * TravT thinks rhagarty_ thinks we were all kidding about bribes | 20:58 | |
| TravT | ;) | 20:58 |
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| rhagarty_ | TravT, I can't afford it... I work for HP | 20:58 |
| TravT | yeah, that's hard | 20:58 |
| hurgleburgler | rhagarty_ +1 | 20:58 |
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| robcresswell | Right, thats it for this week :) | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 20:59 |
| TravT | thanks! | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 20:59:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-01-13-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-01-13-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-01-13-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| tsufiev | bye and good night | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | Thanks robcresswell | 21:00 |
| itxaka | o/ | 21:00 |
| mrunge | thanks all | 21:00 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 21:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| alaski | anyone around for cells today? | 21:00 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 21:00 |
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| doffm | o/ | 21:01 |
| alaski | awesome | 21:01 |
| alaski | #topic Cells testing | 21:01 |
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| alaski | things seem quiet | 21:01 |
| alaski | melwitt: seen anything? | 21:01 |
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| melwitt | alaski: nope. all seems well | 21:01 |
| alaski | excellent | 21:01 |
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| alaski | #topic Open reviews | 21:02 |
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| alaski | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:02 |
| alaski | lots of patches to review | 21:02 |
| doffm | I see some new stuff added. I'll get on it. :) | 21:03 |
| alaski | we can touch on specific ones in open discussion if people would like | 21:03 |
| alaski | doffm: awesome, thanks for that | 21:03 |
| melwitt | it looks like nothing new yet on the tempest config option for disabling secgroups | 21:03 |
| belmoreira | yes | 21:03 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:03 |
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| alaski | melwitt: yeah, I think ccarmack was going to talk with the qa group about that | 21:04 |
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| melwitt | okay | 21:04 |
| belmoreira | I missed last week discussion for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201606 | 21:04 |
| ccarmack | Do we still need that tempest config change? | 21:04 |
| ccarmack | Since v2 supports sec groups | 21:05 |
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| alaski | ccarmack: it's mostly about cleaning up testing configs for v1 | 21:05 |
| ccarmack | alaski: ok, I'll keep on it | 21:05 |
| alaski | belmoreira: one minute | 21:05 |
| melwitt | ccarmack: well, my concern is currently we don't have any testing of instance boot/network connectivity for cells v1 because we have all tests that do that blacklisted bc secgroups | 21:05 |
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| alaski | oh right, and that | 21:06 |
| ccarmack | melwitt: there was a comment about cells and neutron | 21:06 |
| melwitt | so just... don't touch anything in cells v1 ;) so there's no way we could break the functionality | 21:06 |
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| ccarmack | melwitt: I think the question was about cells v1 supporting neutron provided sec groups | 21:07 |
| melwitt | ccarmack: ah, right | 21:07 |
| alaski | ccarmack: cells isn't tested against neutron, only nova-network | 21:07 |
| alaski | and we nixed plans to test against neutron | 21:08 |
| ccarmack | I think it was a "what if" question | 21:08 |
| ccarmack | ok | 21:08 |
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| alaski | it would be nice to do, but it was deemed too much effort for not much gain | 21:08 |
| alaski | so it's not going to happen | 21:08 |
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| melwitt | I do wonder if qa would be more amenable to the idea of a "special" tempest test just for our situation that will boot and instance and ssh with default secgroup | 21:09 |
| melwitt | but I dunno. it would be a useless test for everyone else | 21:09 |
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| alaski | it could be a reasonable middle ground though | 21:10 |
| alaski | ccarmack: is that something you could try, or ask about? | 21:10 |
| ccarmack | melwitt: does tempest open all the ports, because I was wondering how the ssh with cells v1 works without sec groups | 21:11 |
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| melwitt | ccarmack: it does. mriedem found the code sometime back when we were all talking about it | 21:11 |
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| melwitt | I'd have to dig it up again to show you | 21:11 |
| ccarmack | melwitt: do we need the special test then? | 21:12 |
| melwitt | ccarmack: well, none of the tests use the default group is what I meant. we'd have to make a new test that uses the default group | 21:12 |
| melwitt | that we wouldn't blacklist | 21:12 |
| ccarmack | melwitt: I guess I'm confused, why would we need to use the default group if the tests run ok now? | 21:14 |
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| alaski | none of the tests that aren't blacklisted use the default sec group | 21:14 |
| melwitt | ccarmack: the tests don't run okay for us because they create a new secgroup on the fly to assign to the booted instance. so we blacklist them | 21:15 |
| melwitt | they would run okay if they didn't create a new group and instead used the default group | 21:15 |
| ccarmack | hmm.. I wonder how the experimental cells gate tests ran for me | 21:16 |
| ccarmack | no errors | 21:16 |
| alaski | a lot of cells tests are running and passing. but none that ssh to an instance | 21:16 |
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| alaski | all current tests that would check ssh are blacklisted for not using the default sec group | 21:17 |
| melwitt | there are only about 5 tests that ssh to an instance out of all the tempest tests, fwiw | 21:17 |
| ccarmack | alaski: I think I un-blacklisted them in my patch | 21:17 |
| alaski | ccarmack: do you have a link? | 21:18 |
| ccarmack | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226043 | 21:19 |
| melwitt | that's after you disabled the new secgroup creation | 21:19 |
| melwitt | and made it use the default group. right? | 21:20 |
| ccarmack | melwitt: Yes, I assume it use the default group now | 21:20 |
| melwitt | it does | 21:20 |
| alaski | that change passes because it was run on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225199/ | 21:21 |
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| alaski | ccarmack: can you try https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225204 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226043 without depending on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225199/ ? | 21:23 |
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| alaski | if that works we can avoid the controversy on the last one | 21:23 |
| alaski | nvm, you need that last patch | 21:24 |
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| alaski | it sounds like we still need more discussion with qa folks to get buyin on the current approach, or try adding a test for the default sec group situation | 21:25 |
| melwitt | yeah | 21:26 |
| alaski | ok, we just need to keep pushing on that then | 21:26 |
| alaski | belmoreira: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201606 ? | 21:26 |
| ccarmack | alaski: I think if I had ran experimental https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225204 it would have failed | 21:26 |
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| ccarmack | alaski: I'll keep pushing, don't mean to monopolize the meeting | 21:27 |
| alaski | ccarmack: no worries, it's a good discussion | 21:27 |
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| belmoreira | alaski: there wasn't many replies to the ML but seems clear that the soft delete should be removed | 21:28 |
| alaski | ccarmack: if you find that we're testing ssh to an instance with the current tests somehow that would be great, as that's the goal more than disabling sec groups just to disable them | 21:28 |
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| alaski | ccarmack: or if it could be done without disabling them in current tests | 21:29 |
| alaski | belmoreira: agreed | 21:29 |
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| belmoreira | do you think we can start? or wait a little more... I'm starting to be concerned about the timelines | 21:29 |
| ccarmack | alaski: ok, I check if we are testing ssh | 21:29 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: me too... we're not going to have the new flavor api changes in place in M I don't think | 21:30 |
| alaski | belmoreira: we could still add the new flavor tables to the api db, but maybe we need to hold off on the migration for now | 21:31 |
| belmoreira | but should that be a blocker for cellsV2? | 21:31 |
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| alaski | no, it shouldn't block it. it may change how flavors are accessed a little | 21:32 |
| alaski | if a flavor doesn't exist in the api db, but is in the nova db and deleted, don't migrate it but show it in the api | 21:32 |
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| alaski | let me back up. what I'm thinking is that we can migrate flavors to the api db, but would still need to access them from the nova db | 21:33 |
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| alaski | until we get the flavor api changes, then we can remove them from the nova db | 21:33 |
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| belmoreira | so what happens when a new flavor is created? | 21:34 |
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| alaski | it would need to be created in both | 21:35 |
| melwitt | alaski: based on the flavor api patch, I didn't see that we were removing them from nova db during migration | 21:35 |
| belmoreira | and if it's deleted, is hard deleted in api db and soft deleted in nova db? | 21:35 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: yeah, or we could just wait on the migration and do it all later | 21:36 |
| doffm | alaski: +1 Sounds complicated to go through this process and then go to the 'proper' way later. | 21:36 |
| doffm | Is there any chance we can get the spec and code in for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265282/? | 21:37 |
| doffm | Before M? | 21:37 |
| alaski | melwitt: hmm, good point. I had assumed they were being removed but they don't appear to be | 21:37 |
| alaski | doffm: I don't see it happening | 21:37 |
| belmoreira | doffm: I agree | 21:38 |
| alaski | primarily because we're way past spec freeze | 21:38 |
| alaski | do we have consensus on waiting on the migration then? | 21:38 |
| belmoreira | alaski: It would be nice to start merge at least the table in the api db to start having some progress | 21:39 |
| alaski | so we would be looking at getting the flavor tables in the api db now, flavor api changes in N with migration to follow | 21:39 |
| alaski | belmoreira: agreed. mriedem had some comments that needed to be addressed, and removed the soft delete stuff, but then I think it should be good to go | 21:40 |
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| melwitt | yeah | 21:41 |
| belmoreira | alaski: missing flavors in M means that we can't have a cellV2 proof of concept | 21:42 |
| alaski | not entirely. we can't do multiple cells until we get flavors migrated, and some other tables | 21:43 |
| doffm | belmoreira: That might be the case anyway, cell0 still missing, scheduling interaction somewhat early in review process. | 21:43 |
| alaski | yeah, there's a lot still needed | 21:44 |
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| belmoreira | as big cell user what concerns me is that we are extending the end of life of cellv1 | 21:44 |
| alaski | and it's not clear at what point we can say cells is somewhat real | 21:44 |
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| belmoreira | doffm: yeah | 21:44 |
| doffm | alaski: Thats a concern here also, I have been telling people it will 'probably' be real in N. | 21:45 |
| doffm | But thats just what I've been telling people. | 21:45 |
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| alaski | gotcha | 21:46 |
| alaski | I will say that I'm now at a point where I have more time to devote to cells work | 21:46 |
| alaski | and interest from more places, like your involvement doffm, will help | 21:47 |
| doffm | Not to immidiately change topic, ccarmack and I would like to start work on cell0 spec. | 21:47 |
| doffm | Do you think there is enough in the sheduler interaction POC for us to do that. | 21:47 |
| alaski | yes | 21:47 |
| doffm | Ok. | 21:47 |
| doffm | I didn't see anything really missing. | 21:47 |
| melwitt | I find I've worked on things that are not so immediately useful, like the db connection switching. if there's something more "now", I'm interested in that | 21:48 |
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| alaski | melwitt: sorry, I thought that would be more pressing than it was | 21:49 |
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| alaski | the scheduler interaction work is at a place where actual cells in the cell_mapping table are needed | 21:50 |
| melwitt | alaski: no worries, it's good to do but I feel I haven't helped much being that we don't really need it for awhile | 21:50 |
| alaski | melwitt: see the comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263927/1/nova/compute/api.py | 21:50 |
| melwitt | ah, I see | 21:51 |
| alaski | my first thought was a nova-manage command, but we need some way to populate the cell_mapping table with info on the current db/mq | 21:51 |
| melwitt | oh, I think I understand. I think nova-manage would be my thought too | 21:52 |
| alaski | and then after a few more changes cell0 will be needed for when scheduling fails to find a cell | 21:52 |
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| melwitt | okay, as I review the changes you've got I'll see if I can figure out where I could pitch in. thanks | 21:53 |
| alaski | melwitt: I'm going to keep pushing towards moving scheduling out of compute/api, so the work on creating cells is open | 21:55 |
| alaski | it overlaps with the work on cell0 a bit though | 21:55 |
| alaski | but cell0 doesn't need a mq I don't think, and needs some way to indicate that it's special | 21:56 |
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| melwitt | okay | 21:56 |
| alaski | I hope we can get a group of us together at the midcycle to talk this through with higher bandwidth | 21:57 |
| doffm | Sounds great. | 21:57 |
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| melwitt | +1 | 21:58 |
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| alaski | in the meantime I'm going to keep trying to get things written down in hopes that it helps people jump in | 21:58 |
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| alaski | just about at time | 21:59 |
| alaski | thanks everyone | 21:59 |
| melwitt | thanks all | 21:59 |
| doffm | Thanks. | 21:59 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 21:59 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-01-13-21.00.html | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-01-13-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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