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| flwang1 | #startmeeting zaqar | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 15:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:00 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
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| flwang1 | from now on, if you guys can't see msg from me after 5 mins, then i have slept | 15:01 |
| ryansb | o/ | 15:01 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: welcome, stranger | 15:01 |
| ryansb | flwang1: no worries :) | 15:01 |
| vkmc_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| * flaper87 hugs everyone | 15:01 | |
| Eva-i | o/ | 15:01 |
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| flwang1 | #topic zaqar client | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zaqar client (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:02 | |
| flwang1 | for client side, could you guys help review https://review.openstack.org/253731 ? the pre-signed url patch | 15:03 |
| flwang1 | that's the only one function gap for client now | 15:03 |
| vkmc_ | weee | 15:04 |
| flwang1 | and this one https://review.openstack.org/265663 the claim support for v2 | 15:05 |
| * ryansb reviewed already | 15:06 | |
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| vkmc_ | I'll check it out later | 15:07 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: can python-zaqarclient not only create pre-signed urls, but use them? | 15:08 |
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| ryansb | I don't think so (yet) it's on my todo list | 15:09 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: define use? we can discuss it offline | 15:09 |
| ryansb | It would pretty much be a different auth backend | 15:09 |
| Eva-i | okay, let's discuss it offline | 15:10 |
| Eva-i | *lets | 15:10 |
| flwang1 | anything else for client side? | 15:10 |
| ryansb | not from me | 15:10 |
| flwang1 | #topic zaqar server | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zaqar server (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:11 | |
| flwang1 | we have two patches/blueprints need to discuss | 15:12 |
| flwang1 | 1. the PUT improvement for pool and flavor | 15:13 |
| flwang1 | 2. the TTL of subscription, though we have discussed it last week, but it would be nice if we can get some ideas from flaper87 | 15:13 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: any comments for these? | 15:14 |
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| flwang1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238396/15 is a sample | 15:15 |
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| flwang1 | the spec hasn't been approved, and i have a concern about this solution since it's breaking the idempotence of PUT method | 15:16 |
| * flaper87 clicks | 15:16 | |
| flwang1 | ryansb: vkmc: Eva-i: comments? | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | I'll have to read through | 15:16 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: the short story is if we should throw a conflict error, when creating a pool/flavor but the name has been existed | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang1: what's the current behavior ? | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | any change to the API that doesn't fix a 500 error is a breaking change | 15:18 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: current behaviour is always successful, if there is an existing name, just update it | 15:19 |
| flwang1 | that said, when there is an existing name, currently it returns 204/200, after the change, user will see 409 | 15:20 |
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| Eva-i | flaper87: I don't think we still call our API v2 stable, so we can make this change. | 15:20 |
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| Eva-i | also see the last paragraph: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/http.html#xx-success-codes | 15:20 |
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| flwang1 | i 'm still around... ;) | 15:24 |
| Eva-i | Maybe we should make Zaqar behave like it is described in the paragraph. For this we have to check all pool/flavor fields. If the pool/flavor with the name exists, on put operation we should check it's fields. If the fields are same, we should provide 2xx code, else - 409 code. | 15:24 |
| flwang1 | PUT is not like POST, one of the attribute of PUT is the idempotence | 15:25 |
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| flwang1 | that's my concern | 15:25 |
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| flwang1 | that's why i prefer to fix it from the client side | 15:28 |
| flwang1 | checking the name conflicts by HEAD first | 15:29 |
| flwang1 | and throw the conflict error on the client side instead of server side | 15:29 |
| flwang1 | i don't really worry about the race condition issue since both of them are admin only endpoints | 15:30 |
| flwang1 | thoughts? | 15:30 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: we use PUT method now to create flavor/pools. In this case is the idempotence possible? | 15:30 |
| flwang1 | based on current implementation, we can guarantee the idempotence | 15:30 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: usually put is just for updating resources http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/http.html#http-methods | 15:31 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: but for known name resource, PUT is the preferred way | 15:31 |
| ryansb | flwang1: um, what do you mean? | 15:32 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: see the link posted, the difference between POST and PUT | 15:32 |
| flwang1 | PUT should be used for resource creation when the URI to which the request is made and the URI of the resulting resource is the same. | 15:33 |
| flwang1 | That is, if the id of the resource being created is known, use PUT and PUT to the correct URI of the resource. Otherwise, use POST and POST to a more generic URI which will respond with the new URI of the resource. | 15:33 |
| flwang1 | --copy from above link :) | 15:33 |
| Eva-i | aha, I see | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | Eva-i: no, we can't. It's not about the API being stable but released and public. It's not experimental anymore | 15:37 |
| Eva-i | flaper87: have we released API v2 officially? It is public anyway, we're open-source project. | 15:38 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: we did | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | Eva-i: of course we have, it's been in Zaqar since Kilo | 15:38 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: so you also prefer to fix it on client side, or just leave it as it's? | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | no, just leave it as is. clientlibraries shouldn't have any logic | 15:39 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: vkmc: comments? | 15:40 |
| ryansb | flwang1: I agree that we've had the API out there, so changing it like this is probably not the way to go | 15:40 |
| flwang1 | ok, then we will reject the spec | 15:41 |
| flwang1 | but we do need a better doc for this | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | flwang1: lemme go through it and read it in more detail | 15:42 |
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| flwang1 | flaper87: cool, pls leave your comments on this patch or the spec patch, personally, i don't want to change the api | 15:43 |
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| flwang1 | if we would like to fix it, then it should be on the client side | 15:43 |
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| flwang1 | ok, we can discuss more offline | 15:44 |
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| Eva-i | I think during Mitaka we have made few patches with APIImpact tag. Also I remember one patch was merged APIImpact tag, but it needed it. | 15:44 |
| flwang1 | another feature we would like to get more feedback is the TTL of subscription | 15:44 |
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| Eva-i | *was merged without APIImpact tag | 15:45 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: as u know, we have ttl for subscription. now there is a bug, so the subscription can't be deleted automatically | 15:46 |
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| ryansb | I'm still in favor of a finite-by-default subscription | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: i have fixed it with patch https://review.openstack.org/270464, but i would like to get your opinion if we still need to support permanent subscription | 15:47 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: i know i know :D | 15:47 |
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| * ryansb continues grumbling | 15:47 | |
| Eva-i | I'm okay now with eternal subscriptions, but not by default. I think the user must explicitly define permanent subscriptions. | 15:48 |
| ryansb | ^that | 15:48 |
| * flaper87 clicks | 15:48 | |
| flaper87 | ah, eternal subscription | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | yeah, definitely not the default | 15:48 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: the question is do we need it? | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | If you're asking that question the answer is already No. | 15:49 |
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| flaper87 | Before adding these features or changing existing ones, there must be a use case for it | 15:50 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: we do | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | if the use case is not strong enough, then we should probably recommend not having it and re-subscribing whenever the subscription expires | 15:50 |
| flwang1 | ceilometer/aodh would like to get a permanent subscription until the alarm is deleted | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | then I think we're good | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | (sorry, can't load the review, not sure what's going on with my connection) | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | (freaking third-world problems) | 15:51 |
| flwang1 | no worries, you got the idea | 15:52 |
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| flwang1 | ok, the good news is the patch can support a very big TTL :) | 15:53 |
| ryansb | 1 million year subscriptions, here we come | 15:54 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: the max date of python is 31/12/9999 | 15:54 |
| flwang1 | now you can get it :D | 15:54 |
| ryansb | hahaha | 15:54 |
| flwang1 | ok | 15:55 |
| flwang1 | we're running out of time | 15:55 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: thanks for the comments | 15:55 |
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| flwang1 | #open discussion | 15:55 |
| flwang1 | anything else? | 15:55 |
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| * ryansb has nothing | 15:56 | |
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| flwang1 | cool, thank you guys, leet's back to zaqar channel | 15:57 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 15:58:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-01-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-01-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-01-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 16:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:01 |
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| jklare | hi everybody | 16:01 |
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| jklare | anybody around? | 16:03 |
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| sc` | \o | 16:07 |
| jklare | hey sc` | 16:07 |
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| sc` | morning/evening | 16:07 |
| jklare | i know j^2 is at cfgmgmtcamp | 16:09 |
| jklare | so he might be busy | 16:09 |
| jklare | not much topics from me today | 16:09 |
| jklare | #topic core-reviewers | 16:09 |
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| jklare | my patch for the new core reviewer group opentack-chef-core and the release group openstack-chef-release went in | 16:10 |
| jklare | and i have moved the active core reviewers i see to the new group | 16:10 |
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| jklare | i will ask infra during this week to delete the old group and of course if we want to add more cores again, we are free to do so | 16:12 |
| sc` | +1 | 16:12 |
| jklare | #topic cleanup old branches and tagging | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cleanup old branches and tagging (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:13 | |
| jklare | i pushed the eol-* (eg. eol-grizzly) tags to all our repos | 16:13 |
| jklare | and asked infra to cleanup all our eol branches so we should end up with just kilo, liberty and master | 16:13 |
| jklare | hope that this will also happen during this week | 16:14 |
| sc` | right on. good to get the cruft cleaned up | 16:14 |
| jklare | :) | 16:15 |
| jklare | #topic refactoring | 16:15 |
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| jklare | i guess there is not too much to say here | 16:15 |
| markvan | yo | 16:15 |
| jklare | hey markvan | 16:15 |
| jklare | i think we are nearly done with identity, compute, network and image | 16:16 |
| jklare | and i will go for block-storage next to finish things up | 16:16 |
| jklare | right now i am able to run an aio instance with the 4 services above working | 16:16 |
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| jklare | zhiwei said that he wants to go for the heat cookbook soon | 16:17 |
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| jklare | which would give us our full testing setup back | 16:17 |
| jklare | i hope to be done with the 5 core ones by the end of the week | 16:18 |
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| jklare | but of course we need to rewrite a lot of docs and READMEs | 16:18 |
| jklare | which will take some additional time | 16:18 |
| markvan | nice progress here | 16:18 |
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| jklare | any comments or anything you guys want to talk about? | 16:19 |
| markvan | i will give the first four patches a look over again | 16:20 |
| jklare | great, i will push the latest status asap | 16:21 |
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| jklare | probably tomorrow morning after i build another aio instance and made sure everthing is still working and i updated the commit messages | 16:23 |
| sc` | i'm planning on giving aio a shot today with the patches | 16:23 |
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| jklare | i can push my last status right now, but i will have to update the commit messages later | 16:24 |
| sc` | whenever is convenient for you. i can find plenty of things to occupy myself with :) | 16:24 |
| jklare | ok, i would rather update the commit messages tomorrow morning and push all cookbooks after i have done another test | 16:25 |
| jklare | i will also have to push an update for the repo itself | 16:26 |
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| jklare | so lets agree on tomorrow here :) | 16:28 |
| sc` | sounds good | 16:28 |
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| jklare | ok, if there are no more topics, i will end the meeting and wish you a nice day :) we can talk tomorrow evening in our channel | 16:30 |
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| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 16:32:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-02-01-16.01.html | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-02-01-16.01.txt | 16:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-02-01-16.01.log.html | 16:32 |
| sc` | thanks :D | 16:33 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 16:59:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jroll | 3 seconds early \o | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hi everyone | 17:00 |
| sergek | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
| lintan_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:01 |
| maurosr | \o | 17:01 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| jroll | so, before we start announcing things | 17:01 |
| jroll | I've been, by my own accord, helping out a lot downstream the last few weeks | 17:01 |
| jroll | and not spending enough time upstream | 17:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | and that isn't fair to you all | 17:02 |
| jroll | so I wanted to apologize for that | 17:02 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | and thank the folks that have been driving the project forward in the meantime | 17:02 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:02 |
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| jroll | so thank you all for that | 17:02 |
| jroll | I still have some loose ends but should be contributing more from here on out | 17:02 |
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| jroll | and with that. announcements. | 17:03 |
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| jroll | our gate is down due to the devstack/keystone v3 fallout | 17:03 |
| mkovacik | o/ | 17:03 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:03 |
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| jroll | that is being reverted; we've also added v3 support to ironicclient, which is released, and waiting on a global-requirements patch. which is failing due to pypi mirrors being out of sync | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | Thanks jroll. I know for a lot of us other work does get in the way of upstream. | 17:03 |
| sergek | pas-ha had a patch with keystone | 17:04 |
| zer0c00l | 0/ | 17:04 |
| rpioso | I would like to introduce myself to the group. I work at Dell with cdearborn. I'll be participating in the mid-cycle and attending the April Summit. Lookning forward to working with you. | 17:04 |
| zer0c00l | o/ | 17:04 |
| jroll | hi rpioso, welcome :) | 17:04 |
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| jroll | any other announcements? | 17:04 |
| rloo | hi rpioso and welcome. | 17:04 |
| devananda | rpioso: welcome! | 17:05 |
| rpioso | jroll, rloo: Thx :) | 17:05 |
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| jroll | also, a reminder to focus on our priorities - gate improvements, neutron integration work, manual cleaning | 17:05 |
| BadCub | howdy folks | 17:05 |
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| jroll | I'd *love* to get manual cleaning out the door and do an ironic release this week | 17:05 |
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| jroll | but, the gate may prevent that, so ya know | 17:05 |
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| devananda | jroll: want to remind folks about the midcycle dates? | 17:05 |
| jroll | yep | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | Only a day left to submit a talk proposal for the summit | 17:06 |
| jroll | reminder that our midcycle is happening ONLINE on february 16-18 | 17:06 |
| jroll | please add your topics and rsvp here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-mitaka-midcycle | 17:06 |
| devananda | #info reminder that our midcycle is happening ONLINE on february 16-18 | 17:06 |
| jroll | I'm still working on the a/v situation, I expect to have a thing picked out by next week | 17:06 |
| rpioso | devananda: Thx! | 17:07 |
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| devananda | #info reminder to focus on our priorities - gate improvements, neutron integration work, manual cleaning | 17:07 |
| jroll | #chair devananda | 17:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: devananda jroll | 17:07 |
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| jroll | thanks for reminding me on bot comands :P | 17:07 |
| devananda | np :) | 17:07 |
| jroll | anything else here? | 17:08 |
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| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:08 | |
| jroll | as always, these are on the whiteboard: | 17:08 |
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| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:09 |
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| jroll | I'll give folks a few minutes to review and ask questions | 17:09 |
| rloo | wow, dtantsur is giving us a monthly summary for bug stats now :) | 17:09 |
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| zer0c00l | what needs to be done in manual cleaning? | 17:10 |
| rloo | zer0c00l: review | 17:10 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: reviews / landing the patches | 17:10 |
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| devananda | jroll: if the gate gets unbroken for long enough, I'd like to finish landing the tempest-lib migratoin | 17:10 |
| devananda | we were so close two weeks ago, then *boom* | 17:11 |
| jroll | devananda: +1 | 17:11 |
| zer0c00l | The reviews specified in the spec are all abandoned | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt network isolation. i guess you still want us to get the ironic parts merged asap even though the nova part is delayed til Neutron? | 17:11 |
| jroll | rloo: so, it will work with nova if we can land a patch to bump the API version nova uses | 17:11 |
| jroll | but the portgroups won't work | 17:11 |
| jroll | which is mega :( | 17:11 |
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| devananda | rloo: yes. if we don't, it'll take even longer | 17:12 |
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| jroll | and yeah, what deva sais | 17:12 |
| jroll | said* | 17:12 |
| rloo | zer0c00l: wrt manual cleaning: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1526290 | 17:12 |
| devananda | it makes sense in nova's world for them to wait until after we do a release with the new APIs | 17:12 |
| devananda | if we had been able to do that earlier this cycle, landing the changes in Nova now'ish would be fine with them | 17:12 |
| rloo | devananda, jroll: got it. am on it too :) | 17:12 |
| devananda | rloo: yah. thanks - your reviews on the neutron integration have been good | 17:12 |
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| jroll | +1, ty rloo | 17:13 |
| devananda | rloo: please start +2'ing any of those patches you feel are good enough. I'll start approving everything up to the REST API changes soon | 17:13 |
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| rloo | devananda: will do | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | I like jroll hope to be wrapping up my downstream stuff and will be starting on hte networking stuff | 17:14 |
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| NobodyCam | is this the best jumping in point: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle ? | 17:15 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bug/1526403 | 17:15 |
| rloo | besides reviewing, gate seems to be the biggest headache. is the tinyipa stuff high priority? (maybe it was mentioned) | 17:15 |
| jroll | I'd like to get it landed soon, yes | 17:16 |
| devananda | rloo: the gate has been flat-out broken by several other things, but yes | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | TY jroll :) | 17:16 |
| jroll | at least so we can play with it and see how it does | 17:16 |
| sambetts | whoop | 17:16 |
| jroll | and make a decision from there | 17:16 |
| devananda | the tinyipa stuff should help. we can't pivot to it immediately, but we should land it, and get a non-voting job going that uses it | 17:16 |
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| devananda | so we can collect data | 17:16 |
| jroll | yep | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | I thought we were actually doing pretty well for like 36 hours before the keystone v3 thing happened. | 17:16 |
| rloo | jlvillal: i think things were still randomly timing out though. so lets get tinyipa in there. | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | And big thanks to dtantsur for fixing the "< something" bug last week. That was a killer | 17:17 |
| rloo | there should be a rule about not merging devstack changes before/on weekend. | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:18 |
| lintan_ | +1 :) | 17:18 |
| devananda | jlvillal: yah, for, like, 36 hours ... | 17:18 |
| zer0c00l | yes lets land tinyipa | 17:18 |
| zer0c00l | :) | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | I like the idea of tinyipa as I have plans of having three IPA instances for the Grenade job... | 17:19 |
| rloo | krtaylor: wrt 3rd party CI. is the problem with the third party providers and/or should we give guidance wrt the pairing. (i don't actually know what the trouble is, just reading your notes in report) | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | rloo, I am having trouble checking to see if everyone has registered to meet the m-2 milestone | 17:21 |
| rloo | krtaylor: can you contact the folks directly, assuming we have contact info? | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | I need to ping thingee and see if I can get a list of email, I thought we had it in a etherpad somewhere, but I cant find it for the life of me | 17:21 |
| sambetts | krtaylor: Isn't that what the third party wiki was for? | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | we have partial info in several places for ironic | 17:22 |
| cdearborn | It would be great if someone could take a look and verify that we've met the milestone or let us know if there are dangling chads that need to be addressed | 17:22 |
| rloo | that thirdparty CI isn't that useful at first glance, to see which are related to ironic: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | cdearborn, I did review yours and it lgtm | 17:23 |
| sambetts | krtaylor: I much perfer the stackalytics driver list for working our who/what has CI etc | 17:23 |
| thingee | krtaylor: hey meant to sync up with you last week, but was at an offsite. I kind of dropped the ball on getting the communication going. Can we sync up again at the ironic qa meeting | 17:23 |
| cdearborn | krtaylor, thx very much - appreciate it! | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, but I'm not sure that is complete, it is just the systems that have registered with stackalytics | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | thingee, no worries, absolutely, I'll ping you after | 17:24 |
| sambetts | Yeah, I wish it was the standard instead of that wiki page though -> http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog?project_id=openstack%2Fironic | 17:24 |
| sambetts | definatly not complete | 17:24 |
| devananda | sambetts: ++ | 17:25 |
| devananda | krtaylor: registering with stackalytics should be a requirement | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | agreed, we can push on this in the -qa meeting | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | but the infra requirement is the thirdpartysystems page | 17:26 |
| devananda | hrmm | 17:26 |
| devananda | perhaps the page could be organized by project? | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:26 |
| rloo | krtaylor: the stackalytics has a 'CI' column. instead of a checkmark, could it have a link to their corresponding third-party-CI wiki? | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | kr/win 43 | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | doh | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | devananda, it would be really hard, the systems span projects | 17:27 |
| devananda | krtaylor: ah, gotcha | 17:27 |
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| rloo | krtaylor: how about another column that thirdpartysystems that lists the projects? | 17:28 |
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| krtaylor | rloo, well, it kinda is hard to get folks to update that if it is not a requirement | 17:28 |
| devananda | krtaylor: I see different entries by many companies, one per project | 17:28 |
| jroll | can we take this into open discussion or something else? | 17:28 |
| devananda | also, we're side tracking -- this is a discussion to bring up with infra | 17:28 |
| rloo | krtaylor: we can make it an ironic requirement | 17:28 |
| devananda | yea | 17:28 |
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| rloo | oops. sorry, moving on now... :) | 17:28 |
| jroll | ok, moving on | 17:28 |
| jroll | #topic should we support a new feature to accept header 'X-Openstack-Request-ID' as request_id? | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | devananda, yes, we (powerkvm) were in stackalytics, but got removed for some reason, so I don't trust it a whole lot | 17:29 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ironic-openstack-request-id | 17:29 |
| jroll | lintan_: this is you | 17:29 |
| lintan_ | thanks jroll | 17:29 |
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| lintan_ | what I want to say is most on the etherpad | 17:29 |
| lintan_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ironic-openstack-request-id | 17:29 |
| lintan_ | I need want to get a decision here | 17:30 |
| jroll | right, so, the main question is, should we accept a request id and use it as our own | 17:30 |
| jroll | one thing to note, I don't believe we log request IDs, do we? | 17:30 |
| rloo | jroll: does ironic use request IDs now? | 17:31 |
| devananda | rloo: no | 17:31 |
| lintan_ | yes, we have the request id | 17:31 |
| jroll | I believe we have them in the context | 17:31 |
| jroll | but do not log them | 17:31 |
| mgould | jroll, AFAICT the idea is so you can track a user's request across all the services that it touches, for debugging | 17:31 |
| mgould | which sounds like a Really Good Idea | 17:31 |
| lintan_ | using oslo context | 17:31 |
| jroll | which is mildly infuriating every time I realize it | 17:31 |
| jroll | mgould: I'm getting there... | 17:31 |
| mgould | so +1 to accepting them and logging them | 17:31 |
| devananda | h. last time I checked, we just ignore the header | 17:31 |
| jroll | so 1) we need to log them before we do anything | 17:31 |
| jroll | 2) I think we *should* accept a request ID from the api client | 17:31 |
| devananda | there are very specific ways to accept the header -- we DO NOT want to accept and log what ever header is passed in | 17:32 |
| jroll | 3) we should make our nova driver send them | 17:32 |
| devananda | jroll: we should generate our own request-id if one is not passed in and log that | 17:32 |
| jroll | right. | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | I ageee with all that jroll just said. | 17:32 |
| jroll | we already generate one, afaik | 17:32 |
| jroll | we just don't log them | 17:33 |
| devananda | let me dig for a moment to find the discussion on accepting request-id's from API clients | 17:33 |
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| devananda | jroll: oh. that should be easy to fix then | 17:33 |
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| jroll | right | 17:33 |
| lintan_ | I don't think Ironic have to log them, it is possible to show them using oslo thing in log | 17:33 |
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| rloo | so if there is a request ID we use it, and if there isn't we generate one. and that is all in the X-OpenStack-Request-Id? | 17:34 |
| rloo | honestly, I think we should have a RFE that describes what we want/need to do | 17:34 |
| devananda | lintan_: yea, oslo knows how to log them, but we're not passing this correctly | 17:34 |
| devananda | rloo: there are cross project specs already done for this. we don't need another one ... | 17:34 |
| rloo | devananda: it goes to a question i had for jroll last week. i have no idea which xproject specs ironic has decided to follow. | 17:35 |
| devananda | rloo: unless you mean an RFE bug to track it , in which case I completely agree | 17:35 |
| jroll | +1 for RFE to track it | 17:35 |
| rloo | devananda: and even if ironic follows, yeah, would be good to know the work involved to adopt. | 17:35 |
| rloo | devananda: so I don't mean to track the work, but also a description of the work that needs to be done. | 17:35 |
| devananda | rloo: gotcha | 17:35 |
| devananda | that's fair | 17:36 |
| rloo | devananda: /track/just track/ | 17:36 |
| rloo | basically, what we decide now or whatever, should go in that rfe. | 17:36 |
| devananda | I just do not want us re-designing it and ending up diverging unnecessarily | 17:36 |
| lintan_ | devananda, the question is according to the cross-spec, no one will pass X-OpenStack-Request-Id to other project | 17:36 |
| rloo | devananda: definitely. | 17:36 |
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| vdrok | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085176.html | 17:36 |
| devananda | lintan_: that is ... not what was discussed in the design summit on this a while back :( | 17:36 |
| jroll | lintan_: is it no one *will*, or no one *must* | 17:36 |
| jroll | lintan_: in other words, is it optional to pass it, or are we not allowed to pass it | 17:37 |
| vdrok | that mail says about logging 3 different request ids | 17:37 |
| rloo | maybe we should wait til rocky/someone writes that spec | 17:38 |
| mgould | I guess that makes it *possible* to track requests across services, but it's a lot harder than just grepping all the logs for a single string | 17:38 |
| jroll | yeah, let's not go logging 3 req-ids yet | 17:38 |
| lintan_ | hmmm, it seems that a spec or a ref should be done before we get an agreement | 17:39 |
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| jroll | I can put one up with how I see it working | 17:40 |
| jroll | if nobody is opposed to that | 17:40 |
| jroll | or rather, with the work I see that needs to be done | 17:40 |
| rloo | jroll: as long as you do the high priority stuff first :) | 17:40 |
| jroll | I'm just writing the RFE, not the code :P | 17:40 |
| lintan_ | OK, I will also continue on the work | 17:40 |
| devananda | this looks like the best description I've seen so far: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/request-id // http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/return-request-id.html | 17:41 |
| devananda | first step is both returning this header and logging it | 17:41 |
| jroll | the "return" is a python client thing | 17:41 |
| mgould | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cross-service-request-id seems pretty clear that the request-ID changes at service boundaries :-( | 17:41 |
| devananda | yep | 17:41 |
| devananda | jroll: well, also API response | 17:41 |
| jroll | I believe our api responses return it | 17:41 |
| devananda | nope | 17:41 |
| jroll | fun | 17:42 |
| devananda | mgould: that is unfortunate | 17:42 |
| jroll | mgould: that's so old, this work is to try to help unwind it | 17:42 |
| devananda | omg that is old | 17:42 |
| jroll | ignore that BP | 17:42 |
| devananda | yea | 17:42 |
| mgould | jroll, ah, great | 17:42 |
| devananda | closed 2 years ago | 17:42 |
| mgould | whew :-) | 17:42 |
| lintan_ | I try to add the header to our api's response | 17:42 |
| devananda | mgould: see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-nova-cross-project-request-ids which is ALSO two years old | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | lintan_: awesome | 17:43 |
| jroll | #agreed jroll to write an RFE with a list of work to do | 17:43 |
| devananda | but has a better description of the problem folks want to solve | 17:43 |
| lintan_ | but get confused about should we accept an external request-id | 17:43 |
| mgould | right | 17:44 |
| devananda | lintan_: right. let's not accept external request id yet | 17:44 |
| jroll | why not. | 17:44 |
| lintan_ | this is something not expected from that cross-spec or in other projects like neutron/cinder | 17:44 |
| devananda | jroll: see that etherpad | 17:44 |
| devananda | it is not trivial | 17:44 |
| mgould | so we have to accept an external ID, generate our own, log both, then tag all our logs with *our* ID | 17:44 |
| jroll | that would be a HUGE improvement if we passed them between nova and ironic | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | jroll: rfe in relation to processing and logging the id, as in completely unrelated to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1505119 ? | 17:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505119 in Ironic "[RFE] Ironic is missing a header X-Openstack-Request-Id in API response" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Tan Lin (tan-lin-good) | 17:45 |
| devananda | jroll: I totally agree. but it's also a HUGE problem to accept unsigned headers | 17:45 |
| jroll | I mean | 17:45 |
| mgould | and debuggers have to recursively follow the chain of ID changes | 17:45 |
| jroll | if an admin wants to pass a request ID | 17:45 |
| jroll | that is "wrong" for whatever reason | 17:45 |
| jroll | do we care? | 17:45 |
| devananda | jroll: nope. bad idea. | 17:45 |
| devananda | yes we care | 17:45 |
| jroll | why | 17:45 |
| devananda | what if I send a 4k header | 17:45 |
| jroll | you can do that anyway | 17:45 |
| mgould | n00b question: do we currently sign headers? | 17:45 |
| TheJulia | 4k header with an exploit | 17:45 |
| devananda | mgould: nope | 17:45 |
| devananda | TheJulia: exactly | 17:46 |
| jroll | validate it looks like "req-$uuid" and move on | 17:46 |
| devananda | nope | 17:46 |
| devananda | jroll: see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-nova-cross-project-request-ids | 17:46 |
| devananda | we discussed this at length at a cross project summit a few times | 17:46 |
| jroll | so, how can we exploit a system by reading a string? | 17:46 |
| jroll | that's what confuses me | 17:46 |
| devananda | let's not rehash that right now ... | 17:46 |
| mgould | jroll: /req-[0-9a-f]{48}/ or something? | 17:46 |
| devananda | we should be generating, logging, and returning the header now | 17:47 |
| devananda | and sort out the cross project bits after that | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 17:47 |
| devananda | because one step at a time .... | 17:47 |
| mgould | ++ | 17:47 |
| jroll | sure | 17:47 |
| jroll | TheJulia: you're right, the rfe exists, I may add to that | 17:47 |
| lintan_ | OK, generating, logging and returning :) | 17:48 |
| devananda | lintan_: thanks | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | jroll: just wanted to make sure the agreed note was not specific and that rfe already existed :) | 17:48 |
| lintan_ | :) my pleasure | 17:48 |
| jroll | thanks lintan_ | 17:48 |
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| jroll | TheJulia: yeah, I forgot about it, ty | 17:48 |
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| jroll | moving on then | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | np | 17:48 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:48 |
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| jroll | anyone have a thing? | 17:49 |
| jroll | 11 minutes | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | Any Ironic related summit talks I should be prepared to vote for? :) | 17:49 |
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| devananda | jlvillal: submission deadline is today | 17:49 |
| sambetts | jroll: the tinyipa project config patch got a +2 from Andreas earlier today | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Actually tomorrow | 17:49 |
| devananda | so the list isn't up yet | 17:49 |
| devananda | jlvillal: ah, right | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | It was extended. | 17:50 |
| jroll | sambetts: cool | 17:50 |
| zer0c00l | There was a discussion on adding 'tar' format to glance | 17:50 |
| zer0c00l | i want to bring it to the attention | 17:50 |
| cdearborn | unfortunately won't be able to attend this mid-cycle, but rpioso will be there | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | zer0c00l: as in tarball deployments | 17:50 |
| zer0c00l | Basically glance suggested that we use 'os_tarball' instead of 'tar' to avoid confusion | 17:51 |
| zer0c00l | NobodyCam: yes | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | cdearborn: It is 'virtual' as a note | 17:51 |
| jroll | zer0c00l: I've been meaning to reply to that thread | 17:51 |
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| zer0c00l | And they would approve the glance spec to add 'tar' after ironic approves the tar-payload spec | 17:51 |
| zer0c00l | jroll: sure, please do. | 17:51 |
| jroll | zer0c00l: tl;dr, I don't see the use case? why haven't people asked for this feature in virt? | 17:51 |
| cdearborn | jlvilla, yup - have partner meetings the entire time | 17:51 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: neat | 17:51 |
| jroll | zer0c00l: I would think if tarballs were super useful like this, people would have wanted them in the past | 17:52 |
| devananda | jroll: clone-a-server ? | 17:52 |
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| * devananda is guessing | 17:52 | |
| jroll | devananda: the spec says "they're easier to build"; dunno if I buy that | 17:52 |
| devananda | jroll: hm. yea, I don't buy that either | 17:52 |
| zer0c00l | jroll: it is. You installall the packages in a chroot | 17:52 |
| zer0c00l | and compress them | 17:52 |
| zer0c00l | *install all the packages | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | thats all I've really heard too..."their easier" | 17:53 |
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| devananda | zer0c00l: that's what DIB does ... except it outputs a qcow, not a tgz | 17:53 |
| jroll | http://libguestfs.org/virt-make-fs.1.html | 17:53 |
| jlvillal | Are they faster too? | 17:53 |
| jroll | I don't see the point in building an entire feature to solve what virt-make-fs already solves | 17:53 |
| devananda | glance has discussed a few times creating an image-format-conversion service | 17:54 |
| devananda | seems like a reasonable addon to me, not a core feature | 17:54 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: is there a compelling reason why tarballs can't be converted to .img / .qcow ? | 17:54 |
| devananda | prior to uploading, I mean | 17:55 |
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| zer0c00l | devananda: just curious can we use .qcow2 as a ironic image format? | 17:55 |
| jroll | yes | 17:55 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: yah | 17:55 |
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| zer0c00l | devananda: i haven't tried coverting tar format. At yahoo we do OS releases as tarballs | 17:55 |
| zer0c00l | we have these tarballs from back in 2008's | 17:56 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: I hope you're patching the kernels in there ..... | 17:56 |
| zer0c00l | i have to check and see if those tarballs can be converted to qcow2 and their implications | 17:56 |
| zer0c00l | sure we do | 17:56 |
| devananda | :) | 17:56 |
| zer0c00l | it's just easy to add this feature and get it working than converting 20+ images to qcow2 | 17:57 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: it is not easier | 17:57 |
| jroll | yeah, definitely disagree | 17:57 |
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| zer0c00l | okay | 17:57 |
| rloo | zer0c00l: ++ not easier | 17:57 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: converting 20 images is MUCH better than causing two projects to adopt and carry support for a few image format | 17:57 |
| TheJulia | totally disagree | 17:57 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | 17:58 |
| zer0c00l | okay | 17:58 |
| devananda | s/few/new/ | 17:58 |
| jroll | does anyone oppose abandoning this spec, then? | 17:58 |
| devananda | jroll: nope | 17:58 |
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| * jroll will do it shortly if he doesn't hear otherwise | 17:58 | |
| * mgould would still like to understand why it's wanted | 17:58 | |
| rloo | if that is the only reason, then yeah, i don't think we need that spec. | 17:58 |
| zer0c00l | i just wish this happened earlier | 17:58 |
| zer0c00l | this discussion | 17:59 |
| mgould | are they smaller? fs-agnostic? anything else? | 17:59 |
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| NobodyCam | *one* minute | 17:59 |
| zer0c00l | they are fs agnostic | 17:59 |
| zer0c00l | yes | 17:59 |
| mkovacik | I'd like to get your opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1538653 ; would like to get some precedence decision on whether 202+Location header endpoints for async requests is OK/preferred | 17:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1538653 in Ironic "fix redirection of async endpoints response codes from "202 - Accepted" to "303 - See other" " [Wishlist,Opinion] | 17:59 |
| zer0c00l | you can create any fs you want to | 17:59 |
| jroll | zer0c00l: we've been paying attention to the priority work, sorry :( | 17:59 |
| zer0c00l | that is one point i would like to make | 17:59 |
| jroll | so we're out of time | 17:59 |
| zer0c00l | jroll: we need fs agnotic os images too | 17:59 |
| jroll | let's continue on the spec | 17:59 |
| zer0c00l | jroll: sure | 17:59 |
| jroll | thanks all, good meeting | 17:59 |
| TheJulia | Thank you | 17:59 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting | 17:59 |
| vdrok | thanks | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 17:59:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-02-01-16.59.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-02-01-16.59.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-02-01-16.59.log.html | 18:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 18:00 |
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