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| reedip | Hello ... | 06:28 |
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| reedip | TaaS meeting? | 06:28 |
| soichi | Hi | 06:28 |
| kaz | hello | 06:28 |
| anil_rao | We will start in a mintute | 06:28 |
| reedip | ohk | 06:29 |
| yamamoto | hi | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 06:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 06:30:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 06:30 |
| reedip | o/ | 06:31 |
| kaz | hello | 06:31 |
| reedip | who else left to join ? | 06:31 |
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| anil_rao | Lets get started | 06:32 |
| irenab | hi, I am here (mostly listening :-) ) | 06:32 |
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| vnyyad | Hi | 06:32 |
| reedip | Okay, so shall we start ? | 06:33 |
| anil_rao | Sure. | 06:33 |
| vnyyad | yes | 06:33 |
| reedip | anil_rao, you can start of with the agendas :) | 06:34 |
| anil_rao | Yes, lets start with the 1st item, which is spec discussion | 06:34 |
| vnyyad | #topic update the spec with use cases | 06:35 |
| reedip | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 06:35 |
| muawiakhan | hi | 06:35 |
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| reedip | hello muawiakhan ... | 06:35 |
| reedip | so thanks to Fawad, we have been able to restart the Spec topic | 06:35 |
| vnyyad | thanx Fawad | 06:36 |
| reedip | and there have been some useful comments provided ... as vnyyad listed, we need to add more specific use cases in it | 06:36 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: iirc #topic command is chair-only | 06:37 |
| reedip | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/4/specs/mitaka/tap-as-a-service.rst | 06:38 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: yes i guess anil needs to do it | 06:38 |
| anil_rao | #topic spec discussion | 06:38 |
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| reedip | currently the spec lacks the exact scenarios which would be applicable | 06:38 |
| anil_rao | folks please feel free to jump in. I have been out of town for a couple of weeks so I am essentially catching up on things. | 06:38 |
| reedip | on a high level we do have some specifications mentioned, but we need to start streamlining them for the M release, considering M has only about ( or less than a month) to go | 06:39 |
| anil_rao | Are there any specific items we can discuss in this meeting? | 06:40 |
| reedip | vnyyad anil_rao yamamoto: any specific use cases which you can consider for TaaS, woth respect to the current API spec? | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | reedip: I am not sure I fully understand this requirement. The use cases can be quite diverse so what are we actually looking for? | 06:41 |
| reedip | anil_rao : What my intention is to streamline the REST API spec. That would allow us to freeze some of the conditions and possible support early on | 06:42 |
| reedip | anil_rao : REST API spec would continue to change till we do not have a major chunk of use cases with us | 06:42 |
| anil_rao | After reading the latest updates to the spec I see a lot of new requirements, for example metadata generation. | 06:43 |
| reedip | anil_rao : currently TaaS still is not integrated with governance, and to ensure that it does, it would be great if we can convince the Neutron core members about the use cases which we have handled | 06:43 |
| reedip | anil_rao: yes, that was something which is new | 06:43 |
| anil_rao | In my opinion, a lot of these new requirements can be handled a future extensions. I am not sure we need to nail all such requirements at this time. | 06:44 |
| reedip | anil_rao : yeah, thats true, but then can we finalize the requirements targetted for this version ? | 06:45 |
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| anil_rao | the basic requirement, IMHO, is collecting packets ingressing/egressing Neutron ports and having them delivered to a designated port to which a monitoring VM can be attached. Do folks feel this is not sufficient? | 06:45 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: +1 | 06:46 |
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| reedip | +1 for simplification :) | 06:46 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:47 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:47 |
| anil_rao | Once we have that basic capability we can implement all sort of interesting solutions on top of that. I believe the actual use case will be very specific to the service provider and/or tenant using TaaS | 06:47 |
| yamamoto | i agree that it makes more sense to fix issues (eg. uuid stamp things) than adding more features at this point of cycle. | 06:47 |
| reedip | agreed | 06:48 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao +1 | 06:48 |
| anil_rao | Now that I am back I'll examine the spec and post some comments/suggestions there | 06:50 |
| reedip | +1 | 06:51 |
| soichi | +1 | 06:51 |
| muawiakhan | sounds good, we can make it an action item for fawad and yamamoto to address those. | 06:52 |
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| anil_rao | A question: I see some discussion regarding whether the tap-service port (destination of the mirror) should be created by TaaS or provided as an input. Any thoughts on this? | 06:52 |
| reedip | anil_rao: both | 06:53 |
| reedip | anil_rao: Desitnation port can either be a spare port which user has already created, and would now use for monitoring. | 06:53 |
| muawiakhan | +1 | 06:53 |
| reedip | anil_rao: or if he does not provide a port, then allocation via neutron should be made possible | 06:53 |
| reedip | anil_rao: would give flexibility to the user | 06:54 |
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| vnyyad | anil_rao: Both | 06:54 |
| anil_rao | ok | 06:54 |
| anil_rao | If TaaS is instantiating the port, we will need to take in the network id I guess. | 06:55 |
| reedip | anil_rao : would impact the current code, but I guess most of the exception handling would be done by neutron and therefore , we just need to catch it ... | 06:55 |
| reedip | anil_rao: I think network is necessary, even if the port is passed | 06:56 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao, reedip: we also need to create the new port with security groups disabled, as we do in the case today externally | 06:57 |
| reedip | anil_rao: but if a port which is a destination for monitoring traffic is detached from a network and attached to another one, would the monitoring continue? | 06:57 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Why is the network id necessary if the port is passed in? | 06:57 |
| reedip | anil_rao : considering the scenario I explained just right now | 06:58 |
| anil_rao | In the reference OVS implementation we forward the traffic to the destination port (specified) without worrying about the network it is attached to. I am not sure why the network is necessary here, unless TaaS is creating the port. | 06:59 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: +1 | 07:00 |
| reedip | anil_rao : if detaching the port from the network and attaching it to the a new network does not impact the monitoring, then network_id and port_id can be optional while creating tap_service | 07:00 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: can you explain "detaching the port from the network"? | 07:01 |
| reedip | correction -> if port_id is not provided, network_id would suffice | 07:01 |
| anil_rao | Yes, we should take in one of the two. | 07:02 |
| muawiakhan | agreed | 07:02 |
| anil_rao | Lets move to the next topic | 07:03 |
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| anil_rao | #topic l2-agent-extensions-agent-api | 07:04 |
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| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 07:05 |
| reedip | yamamoto : just confirmed what you were saying, my bad... it is not possible | 07:05 |
| yamamoto | l2 agent extensions patch is in review. i encourage everyone here to review it. | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | reedip: i see. thank you for confirming | 07:06 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: Thanks for the reminder | 07:06 |
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| yamamoto | let's move on | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | to next topic? | 07:08 |
| yamamoto | yes | 07:08 |
| anil_rao | #topic Summit Presentation | 07:08 |
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| anil_rao | We have submitted a tech-talk proposal on TaaS for the Austin Summit | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | This will essentially be a review of the the project including the current development activity. | 07:09 |
| reedip | +2 | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | I would also like for us to get a demo in as part of this if we are selected | 07:10 |
| soichi | +1 | 07:10 |
| anil_rao | We will use this opportunity if it becomes available to describe some representative use cases. | 07:10 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: +1 | 07:11 |
| kaz | +1 | 07:11 |
| anil_rao | Please spread the word so that we get enough votes. :-) | 07:11 |
| reedip | anil_rao : selection will open 7 days from now :) | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | We should also plan for the Design Summit and try to get a slot | 07:13 |
| soichi | i will ask my colleague to add "+1". | 07:13 |
| reedip | anil_rao : I think that would be in discussion with the Neutron PTL ( armax ) | 07:13 |
| anil_rao | Shall we move to the next item? | 07:14 |
| yamamoto | yes | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | #topic Action items from last meetings | 07:15 |
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| yamamoto | i have no updates for "testing related scenarios" | 07:16 |
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| anil_rao | Question to all: Has anyone tried running TaaS in a full openstack environment (i.e. non DevStack) | 07:17 |
| reedip | me neither ... | 07:17 |
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| yamamoto | anil_rao: what do you mean by "full"? multinode? | 07:17 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: I was refering to installing TaaS in an existing OpenStack cloud (say one that is created following the Ubuntu OpenStack installation guide) | 07:19 |
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| kaz | I have tried to run TaaS on RDO packstack environment. | 07:20 |
| anil_rao | I will look into this and report back here in a subsequent meeting | 07:21 |
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| anil_rao | Any update on L2 extension for TaaS | 07:22 |
| reedip | anil_rao : not started yet, will review the api extension recommended by yamamoto | 07:22 |
| vnyyad | vnyyad: no, will start the work soon | 07:22 |
| reedip | first, then will start it with vnyyad | 07:23 |
| vnyyad | vnayyad, reedip: first review | 07:23 |
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| reedip | yup :) | 07:23 |
| anil_rao | Thx | 07:23 |
| anil_rao | More core reviewers? | 07:24 |
| vnyyad | ani_rao: Good Idea | 07:24 |
| reedip | yup | 07:25 |
| reedip | anil_rao: yup | 07:25 |
| anil_rao | regarding the two +2 rule, I am for it. | 07:26 |
| reedip | but for that I guess we would need recommendation and voting, as is done in all other modules | 07:26 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: +2, we must sort this out soon | 07:27 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: Yes. | 07:27 |
| anil_rao | We are running out of time. Any open items off the list? | 07:28 |
| yamamoto | Performance_Evaluation_20160203-01.pdf link seems broken | 07:28 |
| anil_rao | kaz: Any update on this? | 07:28 |
| soichi | i will check it. | 07:29 |
| kaz | I can see this link. | 07:29 |
| reedip | any items left ? we are past the alloted time | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Let us discuss this next week. Our time for today is up. | 07:30 |
| soichi | kaz: what do you say to carry over to next week? | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Yes, lets do that | 07:30 |
| kaz | ok | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 07:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 07:31:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-02-03-06.30.html | 07:31 |
| yamamoto | bye | 07:31 |
| vnyyad | bye all | 07:31 |
| reedip | bye | 07:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-02-03-06.30.txt | 07:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-02-03-06.30.log.html | 07:31 |
| anil_rao | bye | 07:31 |
| soichi | bye | 07:31 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 09:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek_ | Hi everyone :-) | 09:01 |
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| omer_etrog | Hi | 09:02 |
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| elisha_r | hi all! | 09:03 |
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| idan_hefetz | hi | 09:04 |
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| mkoushnir | hi | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Current status | 09:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:07 | |
| adi__ | hi | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek_ | First update - we are going to present Vitrage in Doctor’s IRC meeting, next Tuesday | 09:08 |
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| ifat_afek_ | Our plan is to show them what we already have in vitrage, and talk about all use cases we plan to finish by mitaka | 09:08 |
| ifat_afek_ | As for my updates, I started working on nagios synchronizer plugin | 09:08 |
| ifat_afek_ | Already managed to get nagios html, now working on parsing it | 09:09 |
| lhartal | hi all :) | 09:09 |
| danoffek | Hi ! | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek_ | I know that alexey_weyl, who can’t attend the meeting today, started working on the static plugin | 09:09 |
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| ifat_afek_ | This plugin is supposed to read the physical topology (e.g. switches) from configuration files | 09:10 |
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| nadav_yakar | hi | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek_ | Who else wants to update? | 09:11 |
| lhartal | I want | 09:11 |
| lhartal | Last week we went over Vitrage use cases and prioritize them | 09:11 |
| lhartal | the main goal is to accomplish a demo with Deduced Alarm and RCA for the next Openstack summit in April | 09:11 |
| lhartal | Also, I’m working now on template validator | 09:12 |
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| lhartal | When Vitrage load the templates files into Vitrage, we check if their syntax is correct | 09:13 |
| emalin | hi | 09:13 |
| lhartal | If the syntax is worng – we won’t load the template and an error will be write into the log file | 09:13 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal, thanks. regarding what you said - we also made sure that all blueprints for the next use cases are handled, and should be ready on time | 09:13 |
| lhartal | yes offcourse | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: sounds good. clear error messages are really important | 09:15 |
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| elisha_r | So I'll continue where liat left off | 09:15 |
| elisha_r | meant lhartal :) | 09:16 |
| elisha_r | I'm working on the Vitrage Template Evaluator | 09:16 |
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| elisha_r | for mitaka we should be able to support simple conditions (using only "and" operators). support for "or" and "not" will come next. The current design is taking those future steps into account | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek_ | elisha_r, lhartal: saw your design, looks good | 09:17 |
| ifat_afek_ | if anyone else wishes to review it, here is the link: | 09:17 |
| elisha_r | lhartal and I are working closely together on this, and also with idan_hefetz who is taking the "subgraph matching" side | 09:18 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272033/ | 09:18 |
| elisha_r | anyhow, that's my main update | 09:19 |
| idan_hefetz | yea, the subgraph matching will be implemented in the graph driver, i will start my more in the comming days | 09:20 |
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| mkoushnir | hi again | 09:20 |
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| lhartal | I have one more issue.. | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek_ | idan_hefetz: are you doing networkx-specific implementation? | 09:21 |
| lhartal | we need to decide how to present states in Vitrage (not deduce state) | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: can you explain? | 09:21 |
| lhartal | the problem is that we are received different states for different entities (nova host does not have the same states as Nagios alarm for example) | 09:22 |
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| danoffek | Hi again. | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: right... good point | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek_ | so I guess we should find a way to normalize them? | 09:22 |
| idan_hefetz | Good question ifat_afek currently it will be a network-x impl but we are currently thinking how to also support other graph types | 09:22 |
| lhartal | We need to think how to handle this problem, because there are tasks in the GUI which are blocked because of it | 09:23 |
| danoffek | @elisha_r youstated "not" is not supported in the near release. It's in the blueprint example @ifat_afek_ sent nevertheless. | 09:23 |
| ifat_afek_ | danoffek: I think it's good that the blueprint contains all examples, so we know our design is final and ok. but in the implementation, we will do it in phases | 09:24 |
| danoffek | OK | 09:24 |
| lhartal | @ifat_afek: I think we should do that as part of the transforming process | 09:24 |
| elisha_r | danoffek: the template structure and format should take into account all the use cases we hope to support. But most templates will not need more than the "and" operator so it's a good first milestone | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek_ | lhartal: you are right, we need to think about it. the sunburst UI should recognize one set of states, not all possibilities (ok, valid, running... all should be green) | 09:25 |
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| ifat_afek_ | moving on... mkoushnir, do you have any updates? | 09:26 |
| mkoushnir | I have a pre-run-vitrage test | 09:27 |
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| mkoushnir | This test execute the vitrage-graph and vitrage-api from local devstack | 09:28 |
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| mkoushnir | Next step - get real graph with validation | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek_ | mkoushnir: great! so this test actually starts the processes, but doesn't call the api yet? | 09:30 |
| mkoushnir | the first step or tempest runner - is env, next step - all tempest tests, include get graph and rest exist vitrage api's, Last step - e2e scenario tests | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek_ | mkoushnir: cool, good plan | 09:33 |
| mkoushnir | thanks | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek_ | who else wants to update? | 09:33 |
| omer_etrog | I will update | 09:33 |
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| omer_etrog | we had a meeting with UX expert and decide what we will do | 09:34 |
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| omer_etrog | we also add support for Alarms, already implemented in the Vitrage Dashboard | 09:36 |
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| elisha_r | omer_etrog: cool! great progress | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek_ | omer_etrog: cool!! so if I have nagios plugin working in a few days, we will see real nagios alarms | 09:37 |
| omer_etrog | and you can all test the vitrage-dashboard in your devstack, check the vitrage-dashboard github readme | 09:37 |
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| omer_etrog | we still need to add support for localisation | 09:37 |
| omer_etrog | thats all for now | 09:38 |
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| ifat_afek_ | omer_etrog: we may be able to show some real progress next week :-) eyalb did not join the meeting today, but I believe that implementing the api on his side won't take too long | 09:38 |
| ifat_afek_ | and speaking of eyalb, I know that he started working on the rca api | 09:39 |
| ifat_afek_ | any other updates anyone? | 09:39 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #topic Review action items | 09:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:40 | |
| ifat_afek_ | • ifat_afek_ check aodh integration and update the blueprints | 09:40 |
| ifat_afek_ | I stopped working on it for now, as the nagios plugin is more important for our second use case. Once I have it done, I will go back to aodh | 09:40 |
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| ifat_afek_ | • review our use cases, blueprints and priorities | 09:40 |
| ifat_afek_ | this is done | 09:40 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Next Steps | 09:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next Steps (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:40 | |
| ifat_afek_ | I think we should try to show nagios alarms in horizon next week | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek_ | #topic Open Discussion | 09:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:41 | |
| ifat_afek_ | anyone? | 09:42 |
| lhartal | and we should decide what to do with the states issue | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek_ | so I guess we're done for today | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek_ | goodbye everybody | 09:43 |
| elisha_r | bye | 09:43 |
| omer_etrog | bye | 09:43 |
| lhartal | bye | 09:43 |
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| ifat_afek_ | #endmeeting | 09:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 09:44:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-02-03-09.00.html | 09:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-02-03-09.00.txt | 09:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-02-03-09.00.log.html | 09:44 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 12:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 12:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:01 |
| david-lyle | packed house | 12:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so, I guess you're wondering why I called you all here | 12:02 |
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| david-lyle | :) | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | general items | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | reminder March 3 is the date for Mitaka 3 | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | Second is midcycle https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonMitakaSprint | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | the wiki page contains a link to the topics etherpad | 12:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, I need to get onto that | 12:05 |
| * tsufiev started thinking if we should consume latest versions of external dependencies | 12:06 | |
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| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: we should for more restrictive pinning of dependencies, especially in toolchain like selenium, etc | 12:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | s/should for/should have far | 12:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's late | 12:08 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, it's never too late to retreat :) | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | there is a reason upper dependency limits on master are open and set on stable | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, well, it's just a moment of weakness | 12:10 |
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| njirap | o/ | 12:11 |
| njirap | though the meeting time on the wiki is set at 2000 UTC today | 12:12 |
| njirap | hi everyone | 12:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hi :-) | 12:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | someone has been doing a poor job of copy/pasting in the meeting wiki ;-) | 12:13 |
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| njirap | i am an intern at openstack | 12:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ohai njirap, I think we've exchanged email | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | njirap, r1chardj0n3s fixed the wiki | 12:14 |
| njirap | oh hi richard its you | 12:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | we have a couple items on the agenda today | 12:15 |
| tsufiev | camouflage nick :) | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_2016-02-03_1200_UTC | 12:15 |
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| njirap | so just to intro myself i have hitherto been working on the openstack-manuals(no particular project) but i am now specializing in horizon | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | welcome njirap | 12:16 |
| njirap | thanks david | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | #topic Are we ready to move to keystone v3 for horizon in default devstack config? | 12:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Are we ready to move to keystone v3 for horizon in default devstack config? (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:16 | |
| tsufiev | njirap, welcome! | 12:16 |
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| mrunge | o/ | 12:17 |
| njirap | thanks tsufiev | 12:17 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I felt it would good to remind everybody about this thing | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | I think the simple answer is yes | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | I test all the time with v3 | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | I also talked to lhcheng and he was also of that opinion | 12:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I run against v3 with OSA | 12:18 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, is it no longer tied to enablement of non-cookies SESSION_ENGINE in devstack? | 12:18 |
| mrunge | there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1522402 | 12:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522402 in python-novaclient "Novaclient does not support v3 Keystone API" [High,Confirmed] | 12:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but I don't use all of keystone | 12:18 |
| tsufiev | the concern was that v3 means bigger token | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: ah yes | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | good point | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | I have a different SESSION_ENGINE enabled all the time | 12:19 |
| mrunge | yeah, same here | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | AFAIR, SESSION_ENGINE in devstack was a blocker for this enhancement for a long time | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | I may just move horizon in devstack to use locmemcache | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | what I really wanted to understand if it's still a blocker | 12:19 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: yeah my patch withered a bit | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | I can try pushing that again | 12:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: that's a sensible move | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: which? | 12:20 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, \o/ | 12:20 |
| mrunge | can't we just use like memcached, and use memcache even for session engine? | 12:20 |
| mrunge | I mean, memcached is easy to setup | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193611/ | 12:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: swicthing devstack to locmemcache | 12:20 |
| mrunge | and we should have it anyways, no? | 12:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | since people shouldn't be deploying devstack anyway | 12:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (lol) | 12:21 |
| mrunge | good point r1chardj0n3s | 12:21 |
| mrunge | make it useless | 12:21 |
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| david-lyle | so we either do locmemcache or I rebase my devstack patch | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | other devstack patch | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (can't wait for the "my login doesn't work" bugs filed against horizon by locmemcache-devstack-deployers) | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so memcache is already part of devstack? | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: not really | 12:22 |
| mrunge | we could even use redis | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | they don't want it in by default | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right | 12:23 |
| mrunge | that is required by ceilo | 12:23 |
| tsufiev | mrunge: aren't they using mongodb anymore? | 12:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, I thought they used mongo | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | I'll rebase my memcache adding patch and if that doesn't move in the next week or so, put up a competing LocMemcache patch and see who wins | 12:23 |
| mrunge | wait, I thought redis was pulled in anyways | 12:24 |
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| david-lyle | db mgmt increases the complexity of the devstack change | 12:24 |
| mrunge | ceilometer seems to use mongo for data store | 12:27 |
| mrunge | and redis for backend coordination | 12:27 |
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| david-lyle | why can't we have two different dbs ? | 12:27 |
| * david-lyle is really kidding | 12:28 | |
| mrunge | sure.... | 12:28 |
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| mrunge | seriously, we should start using postgres | 12:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was about to say that mrunge | 12:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | or rather, that we have a db around because of the other services (which IIRC is actually mysql) | 12:29 |
| * r1chardj0n3s is painfully ignorant of how database access is structured in openstack | 12:29 | |
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| mrunge | r1chardj0n3s, that's somehow constantly changing | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | I prefer to stick with a cache that will clean up after itself | 12:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | of course, it's OpenStack(tm) | 12:30 |
| * mrunge still looking for redis reference in ceilometer | 12:30 | |
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| mrunge | anyways, any of them should be fine | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | what people use in the privacy of their own deployment is up to them | 12:30 |
| mrunge | if we already have redis somewhere, we could use it | 12:30 |
| mrunge | yupp | 12:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think david-lyle's proposal for rebasing memcache and seeing if it gets traction is worthwhile. if that gets in, then we're done. | 12:31 |
| mrunge | yep | 12:31 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | properly testing devstack patches is time consuming to I have let that one rot a bit | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | will find the time today | 12:32 |
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| david-lyle | ok moving on | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | #topic What is actually going on with JS linting anyway? Anyone know? | 12:32 |
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| mrunge | for reference: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L87 | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | ok, to step back topics for a sec | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | the other thing we could do is make horizon a devstack plugin rather than integrated content | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | then changing things like the SESSION_ENGINE become a lot more trivial | 12:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: I'm not sure what that means but it sounds intriguing | 12:33 |
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| david-lyle | but I'm not sure the extra effort for tempest | 12:34 |
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| david-lyle | although horizon should only plugin into tempest too | 12:34 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, as I understand it from here: we would be fine with any cache | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | I'll look into the plugin path | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: projects can own how they are set up in devstack by putting a devstack dir in their repo | 12:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ahh | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | and setting it up as a devstack plugin | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | same for tempest | 12:35 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | ok, shall we talk linting? | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | so to use horizon with devstack, you'd have to add an plugin line to your local.conf | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | yes | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | lint away | 12:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (thanks for the explanation) | 12:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | So I'm working on this Swift UI rework, and it's a bunch of JS and I've just run the "npm run lint" and hoo boy there's a lot of garbage spewing out of that | 12:36 |
| * david-lyle is shocked | 12:37 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | so I'm wondring is there anyone who knows how this stuff works, or is it just krotscheck? | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | matt-borland maybe | 12:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | a lot of the spew is warnings, apparently a misconfiguration, which also results in actual errors | 12:37 |
| mrunge | heh, I had the feeling, krotscheck just proposes rules | 12:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but if I'm reading this config right (and I might not be) we're overriding some of the "openstack" lint rules with our own | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I believe there were many we weren't ready for | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | and some that were angular specific | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | but I may be making that up | 12:38 |
| r1chardj0n3s | there's a lot of these "lint" rules that are all about code *style* which I'm not sure I agree with :/ | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, maybe I should email this stuff to openstack-dev and see if I can get some info there | 12:39 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, then I think we should more actively participate in openstack-eslint-rules reviews | 12:39 |
| mrunge | that is probably the issue with lint rules defined outside of horizon | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: I kinda keep an eye on it, but the volume, along with other things... | 12:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mrunge: as I understand it, krotscheck is trying to create an "openstack js lint standard" ... which is funny given the number of non-horizon JS projects... | 12:40 |
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| tsufiev | Horizon community needs at least 3 people per review to counterbalance krotchek's enthusiasm :) | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | we there is at least one non horizon | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | *well | 12:40 |
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| david-lyle | js project | 12:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | regardless, at the moment the lint configuration is *broken* and I need someone to 'fess up to knowing what it's supposed to be :/ | 12:41 |
| mrunge | yes, I agree with having just one definition around all openstack projects | 12:41 |
| mrunge | just to have sane defaults for all | 12:41 |
| mrunge | depends on %sane% here | 12:41 |
| tsufiev | I'd say this initiative is just premature | 12:42 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so at the moment we've got lint errors because we're not assigning the "this" variable to another variable called "vm" in our angular controllers | 12:43 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | except Horizon's configuration explictly says that variable should be called "ctrl" which is what we use everywhere | 12:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but the linter complains anyway | 12:43 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, heretics, you deny the holy John Papa's Guide! :) | 12:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: don't make me come over there | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | lol | 12:44 |
| mrunge | that would be handy for meetings, though ;-) | 12:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, I shall write a TODO for tomorrow to email openstack-dev to try to resolve this | 12:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: please move on | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | #topic Install Guide and Quickstart revamp? | 12:45 |
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| david-lyle | njirap: o/ | 12:45 |
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| njirap | yes thats me | 12:45 |
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| njirap | so i installed horizon outside devstack | 12:46 |
| njirap | i followed the two guides available, the quickstart and the install guide | 12:46 |
| njirap | it is my opinion that the two have the potential to be better | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | njirap: dev docs or docs docs | 12:47 |
| njirap | david the quickstart http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/quickstart.html | 12:47 |
| * mrunge would think, install docs should be moved to docs.openstack... | 12:47 | |
| njirap | and the other install guide docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/install.html | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | there is an install guide on docs.open | 12:47 |
| mrunge | quickstart is meant for folks using git checkouts | 12:48 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | the quickstart could use some attention though, it's a little ... oddly structured :-) | 12:48 |
| mrunge | yeah | 12:48 |
| njirap | issue1 -> the install guide does not document some dependencies | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | njirap: http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/apt/content/install_dashboard.html | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | is that latest version I know of | 12:49 |
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| mrunge | njirap, are you installing for a deployment? | 12:49 |
| mrunge | or for a dev setup? | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | sorry http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_horizon.html is the top level | 12:49 |
| njirap | hi mrunge | 12:50 |
| njirap | i am personally installing for development | 12:50 |
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| mrunge | what dependency is missing? | 12:51 |
| njirap | david am lookin at that now | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | njirap: ok then the docs you referenced are more applicable | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | I thought you were trying to deploy horizon | 12:51 |
| mrunge | njirap, I would make a distinction between developer setup or deployment for a larger base | 12:51 |
| mrunge | horizon docs just cover developer setup | 12:52 |
| mrunge | the real stuff should go to docs.openstack.org, what david mentioned | 12:52 |
| mrunge | but if it's not clear from our docs, that's room for improvement | 12:52 |
| njirap | hi mrunge.. that information is not clear in the two guides,,, a production setup'pper is not explicitly directed to the right doc neither the development setup'per | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | njirap: short answer is if you feel you find errors in either set of docs, feel free to propose changes | 12:53 |
| njirap | aah ok thanks david | 12:53 |
| njirap | issue2-> both guides ends at the login page | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure a wholesale revamp is necessary, but there is always room for improvement | 12:54 |
| mrunge | njirap, is there something to set up after login?? | 12:54 |
| njirap | i think i can setup launchpad blueprint for individual changes | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | njirap: http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/dashboard.html | 12:54 |
| njirap | mrunge.. it is not documented where one can get or set the login credentials | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | is past the login page | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | njirap: mostly because that is owned by another service | 12:55 |
| mrunge | feel free to add that info. (keystone) | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | but yes, feel free to fill in any of the blanks you find | 12:56 |
| njirap | hi david. it is my opinion that that should be documented as well,,the keystone bit,,,other than leaving(assuming a beginner) at the login page... | 12:56 |
| mrunge | njirap, we should not duplicate that bit, hinting to keystone is fine | 12:57 |
| njirap | and there are so many install guides | 12:57 |
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| mrunge | feel free to drop the ubuntu one... | 12:57 |
| mrunge | :P | 12:57 |
| njirap | haha | 12:57 |
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| mrunge | seriously, that is generated from one source | 12:58 |
| mrunge | there is actually no duplication | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | we have two minutes left | 12:58 |
| mrunge | would it make sense to move that topic over to #openstack-horizon? | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | sure | 12:59 |
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| mrunge | I would like to ask for the way forward with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255854/ | 12:59 |
| njirap | yes it would mrunge but i can also attempt bug reports on launchpad | 12:59 |
| mrunge | if there is any way forward | 12:59 |
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| njirap | i am good he meeting can move on | 12:59 |
| njirap | *the | 12:59 |
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| mrunge | that patch adds info about a the user launching an instance | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: let's move to #openstack-horizon | 13:00 |
| mrunge | rather than just showing the id | 13:00 |
| mrunge | ack | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone. | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 13:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-02-03-12.01.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-02-03-12.01.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-02-03-12.01.log.html | 13:00 |
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| lpetrut | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 13:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lpetrut. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:00 |
| lpetrut | Hi guys. Alessandro will join us in a few minutes, but we can start the meeting now | 13:01 |
| itoader | Hi | 13:01 |
| abalutoiu | Hi | 13:01 |
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| sagar_nikam | Hi All | 13:02 |
| lpetrut | sagar_nikam: anyone else from HP to join the meeting? | 13:02 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: me and vinod | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | we can start | 13:03 |
| kvinod | Hi sagar_nikam | 13:03 |
| primeministerp | hi guys | 13:03 |
| lpetrut | great, sure. so, as I previously said, Alessandro will join us in a few minutes. Would you like to propose a topic to begin with? | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | yes, cluster driver | 13:04 |
| lpetrut | #topic Hyper-v clustering | 13:04 |
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| kvinod | I have following topic from neutron front | 13:04 |
| kvinod | Native thread Fixes in liberty branch | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | we started that discussion last week towards the end of the meeting | 13:05 |
| kvinod | Enhanced RPC merge? | 13:05 |
| kvinod | OVS kernel panic | 13:05 |
| lpetrut | yep, so, on the clustering topic: Adelina was working on this. She said that she got in touch with you | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | yes, i did ping Adelina yesterday | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | we are setting up the hyperv cluster | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | should be ready in couple of days | 13:06 |
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| sagar_nikam | once that is ready, we can start testing the cluster driver | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | only issue, our setup is liberty, so it would be good if we have the cluster driver which is liberty based | 13:07 |
| lpetrut | that's great. unfortunately, she's not in the meeting right now, otherwise it would've been useful if she could've provide some updates on the status | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:07 |
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| sagar_nikam | she mentioned to me that liberty based code can be provided | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | so waiting for that | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | hey guys | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | hi alexpilotti: | 13:08 |
| atuvenie | Hi all, sorry, my internet is acting up | 13:08 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: we are discussing the cluster driver | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | cool, was just back reading | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | as mentioned few mins back, we can start testing it | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | currently setting up the hyperv cluster on 2 machines | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: great! | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | i did chat with adelina yesterday | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | on this topic | 13:10 |
| alexpilotti | atuvenie told me that you guys spoke | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | our setup is liberty based, so it would be good if that patch is liberty based | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | spoke about it to adelina | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | once she provides it, we will start | 13:10 |
| atuvenie | I am currently working on master, a liberty patch may be a little bit tricky given no os-win there | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam they introduced changes (versioned objects) afterwards that are not in Liberty | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | so adapting the patch to Liberty requires extra work | 13:11 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | all our setups are liberty based | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | difficult to find a mitaka setup | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | will it be very difficult to rebase ? | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | or, we had a liberty patch sometime back | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | does it work ? | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: non dramatically difficult, but it requires work | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | we can pick that | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | you can take the mitaka patches and backport them sure | 13:13 |
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| alexpilotti | on our side we're evaluating if we are going to put them in compute-hyperv liberty | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam | i can pick up from compute-hyperv liberty whenever it is ready (if you decide that) | 13:14 |
| alexpilotti | but we surely won't backport on Nova (as part of a community effort, at least) | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | not a issue, if not backported to nova | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | we just need a patch which works in liberty | 13:15 |
| alexpilotti | anyway first we need it to get it top notch on Mitaka :-) | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | right | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | i remember that there was a patch in Liberty , does it not work ? | 13:15 |
| alexpilotti | even kilo | 13:15 |
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| alexpilotti | we did it initially in kilo | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | if that works, we can start with it | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | we can definitely share those patches as well | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:16 |
| alexpilotti | although back then it was a separate effort, as it was not merged in compute-hyperv | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | let us know which will be better to test, liberty-nova or compute-hyperv-liberty | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | we can wait | 13:17 |
| alexpilotti | We'll send you an update as soon as we are done w the Mitaka one, if that works for you | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | can we move to the next topic? | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | question on networking in cluster driver | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | if the instance is moved from host H1 to host H2 | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | done outside of nova | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | by | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | failover cluster | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | the instance will retain the same ip | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | we just need the switch on both hosts | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | of same name | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | is my understanding correct ? | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | well, the networking is fairly transparent | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | and similar to what happens in live migration | 13:20 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:20 |
| alexpilotti | the networking-hyperv agent (or the OVS one) pick up the new port(s) | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | and IP and security rules will work as earlier ? | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | the cluster is used for the VMs, not for IPs or other resources | 13:21 |
| alexpilotti | sure, IP and sec groups are still managed by Neutron | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: do you have any questions on networking in cluster driver ? | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | our goal is to make cluster support almost "invisible" | 13:22 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: thats good | 13:22 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | next | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | sonu: kvinod: any questions from your end | 13:23 |
| alexpilotti | #topic RPC networking-hyperv patch | 13:23 |
| Sonu | The case of OVS will be little different | 13:23 |
| kvinod | yes on neutron front the neutron agent will have to start with binding as if if a port was created? | 13:23 |
| Sonu | Sorry I am bit slow on network. | 13:23 |
| kvinod | i mean after migration to H2 neutron agent will get a new port to prcess for which it will have to do the binding? | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu, kvinod: correct the port itself is created differently between OVS ad networking-hyperv | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | but even it that case it does not affect the cluster itself | 13:24 |
| alexpilotti | it's very similar to the live migration use case | 13:24 |
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| kvinod | ok , so that menas neworking will not have any impact? | 13:25 |
| kvinod | and not work required for neutron | 13:25 |
| kvinod | ? | 13:25 |
| Sonu | Yes. Nova vif must create an OVS port. Neutron will bind it in normal way | 13:25 |
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| alexpilotti | fully transparent | 13:26 |
| kvinod | k | 13:26 |
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| alexpilotti | getting back to the new topic | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | RPC patch | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | Claudiu was last week at the midcycle meetup and is getting back to the office on Monday | 13:26 |
| alexpilotti | but he told me that unit tests are missing on the patch | 13:27 |
| alexpilotti | while abalutoiu tested the patch and results are all good | 13:27 |
| Sonu | We covered some tests post claudius comment | 13:27 |
| kvinod | last week I uploaded a patch set with some UT code | 13:27 |
| Sonu | Request you to review the same and advise if more is needed. | 13:28 |
| Sonu | Thanks for testing | 13:29 |
| * alexpilotti looks for the patch link.. | 13:29 | |
| kvinod | alexpilotti: could you please convay message to Claudiu to have a look again and post comment about what additional test he is expecting | 13:29 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263865/ | 13:30 |
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| alexpilotti | I see that you amended the commit msg and uploaded a BP, which is great | 13:30 |
| claudiub | hello, just dropping in for a moment. the unit test coverage is not 100%, | 13:31 |
| alexpilotti | approved BP and set to "needs review" | 13:31 |
| claudiub | also, I've suggested to add some unit tests with some raw enhanced SG rules. | 13:31 |
| kvinod | patch 4 had UT code | 13:32 |
| Sonu | Thank you much | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | abalutoiu just conformed that he tested it again on top of the latest patchsets, so seems all good | 13:32 |
| alexpilotti | hyper-v CI is happy as well | 13:32 |
| kvinod | good | 13:32 |
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| primeministerp | woot | 13:33 |
| claudiub | kvinod: typically, you need to add a unit test per new method / function, covering all code branches | 13:33 |
| claudiub | or more, if there are mutually exclusive code branches.. | 13:33 |
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| Sonu | Vinod do you want to re check on this please. | 13:34 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub welcome back! :) | 13:34 |
| claudiub | o/ | 13:35 |
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| kvinod | claudiub: will have a check again and do the needful | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | claudiub: to speed up the communication, could you please tell kvinod which are the methods / code paths that still need test coverage? | 13:35 |
| claudiub | k, will re-review once the unit tests are submitted. | 13:36 |
| kvinod | that would be great, thanks | 13:36 |
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| kvinod | claudiub: I hope you saw patchset 4 | 13:36 |
| kvinod | on top of it do let me know what additional UT is required | 13:37 |
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| claudiub | yeah, _generate_rules, _select_sgr_by_direction, _split_sgr_by_ethertype, update_security_group_rules are uncovered | 13:37 |
| kvinod | ok, will cover those also | 13:38 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: in general we try to achieve max coverage | 13:41 |
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| alexpilotti | teh idea is that if there's a code path, a test needs to run it | 13:41 |
| alexpilotti | next topic? | 13:41 |
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| Sonu | OVS core dump | 13:42 |
| Sonu | That we faced on windows 2012 r2. | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | great | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | #topic OVS core dump | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | so, the dump shows that the error is in the underlying driver | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | and if it doesnt show up on our test environments (Mellanox, Chelsio, etc), we need to find a way to access a similar environment | 13:44 |
| alexpilotti | or at least get a couple of Emulex cards | 13:44 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti I'm looking who to reach out for that as well | 13:45 |
| Sonu | Ok | 13:45 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: any chance you could let us access it or send a few boxes to Cambridge so that primeministerp could add them to the test racks? | 13:45 |
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| alexpilotti | Sonu: is that going to be your reference architecture or just some "random hardware"? | 13:46 |
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| primeministerp | Sonu, we may only need the hba's | 13:46 |
| Sonu | Random | 13:46 |
| Sonu | I will find that out. | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: do you have some other NICs around? E.g. mellanox or Intel? | 13:47 |
| primeministerp | Sonu: this was basically what I was asking in the previous email exchange | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | how are the nics configured? e.g. teaming, etc | 13:47 |
| Sonu | I will find that out. | 13:47 |
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| alexpilotti | Sonu since the error is in the driver, we might need to speak with the Emulex driver team | 13:48 |
| Sonu | No team | 13:48 |
| alexpilotti | at Emulex I mean :-) | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | sonu: did you mean no NIC teaming ? | 13:48 |
| Sonu | I understand. Let me try with other nic model. | 13:49 |
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| alexpilotti | it's a closed source driver, so we have no idea what happens in it, so debugging options are limited :-) | 13:49 |
| Sonu | Sagar we did not team the nics yet for OVS | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | It could be that: 1) we send some perfectly fine packets that the diver is not handling properly or 2) or packets that we send have issues | 13:50 |
| Sonu | It is very consistent, so most likely it is 2 | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | Sonu: consistent on different blades ? | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | Sonu: consistent across different NIC models? | 13:51 |
| Sonu | With Windows 2012 r2 data center edition we faced this issue. | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | Sonu: can you try on another blade | 13:51 |
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| Sonu | Sure. | 13:51 |
| Sonu | Tried only on emulex. | 13:52 |
| Sonu | Should get some qlogic adapters ad test. | 13:52 |
| alexpilotti | I already asked aserdean on my OVS team to look into this, so we'll try to replicate it ASAP, but since it seems like a fairly straightforward use case, I'm not expecting much | 13:52 |
| Sonu | Thx | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | anything else on this topic? | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | we have 7' to go | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | in last week's meeting | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | lpetrut: did you speak about FC already? | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | we discussed about thala using the liberty based patches for his scale testing | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | he is still waiting for those patches | 13:55 |
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| lpetrut | alexpilotti: well, I have no updates related to the FC topic, other than the fact that the Nova patches have been -2ed because of the feature freeze | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: yeah, claudiub is working on that, but as I was saying he was off the last two weeks | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: sure, we will wait and test it when available | 13:56 |
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| kvinod | also, thala was not able to proceed with testing due to difficulty in porting native thread and enhanced rpc patch on top of stable liberty | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: couldn't Thala just run a test without those patches for now? | 13:57 |
| kvinod | No, the idea was to run the test with all updates and available patches | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: i think he was waiting based on the discussion we had last week | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: also, the enhanced RPC one if I'm not mistaken requires a Neutron patch, which merged in master | 13:58 |
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| kvinod | and that is what we discussed in last IRC | 13:58 |
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| kvinod | neutraon dependent patch was also taken | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: did you backpot it to livberty already? | 13:59 |
| kvinod | so with all patches on top of liberty is causing exception | 13:59 |
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| alexpilotti | ah ok | 13:59 |
| kvinod | no I thought of dicussing this today about the plan to backport | 14:00 |
| kvinod | backporting to liberty | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | the neutron patch can already be backported I guess | 14:00 |
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| kvinod | do we have plan for this about backporting the patches to liberty | 14:01 |
| sagar_nikam | should this topic be discussed in hyperv channel now ? | 14:01 |
| sagar_nikam | since we are almost done with time | 14:01 |
| alexpilotti | to stable/liberty in upstream Neutron, I mean | 14:01 |
| alexpilotti | uh oh out of time folks :) | 14:01 |
| lpetrut | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-02-03-13.00.html | 14:01 |
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| alexpilotti | let's move to the hyperv channel | 14:02 |
| kvinod | whats the channel name | 14:02 |
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| alexpilotti | #openstack-hyper-v | 14:02 |
| kvinod | thanks | 14:02 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: np! | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 15:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | I'm just checking to see if anyone is here. | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Note, today we are doing a mid-cycle meeting via webex. | 15:00 |
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| fabiog | here there are the coordinates | 15:01 |
| fabiog | Day 1, Wednesday February 3rd, 2016 Time: 1500-2100 UTC https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=ma4770b115a04f1476fdf4073c404c60a Meeting number: 204 442 828 Meeting password: dM3gVJxR | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | Thanks fabiog | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | Here is the etherpad, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_mitaka_midcycle | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 15:49:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-02-03-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-02-03-15.00.txt | 15:49 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 15:59:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 15:59 |
| markvoelker_ | o/ | 15:59 |
| gema | o/ | 15:59 |
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| eglute | #agenda | 16:00 |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.11 | 16:00 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:00 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone, wave your hand if you are here for defcore meeting! o/ | 16:00 |
| eglute | also, please review agenda and add/update as needed | 16:00 |
| leecalcote | *waves* | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic DefCore CoChair elections | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | Since we had only one nomination, we are not going to have formal elections | 16:01 |
| eglute | I am pleased to announce that markvoelker_ will be our new co-chair for defcore | 16:02 |
| eglute | #chair markvoelker_ | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute markvoelker_ | 16:02 |
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| gema | excellent news :D | 16:02 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker_: congrats! | 16:02 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker_: Congrats! | 16:02 |
| gema | markvoelker_: congratulations :D | 16:02 |
| leecalcote | markvoelker_: sweet! | 16:03 |
| markvoelker_ | =) Thanks folks, I hope this will be a productive cycle. | 16:03 |
| eglute | indeed, markvoelker_ has been very involved and active in defcore for a long time | 16:03 |
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| eglute | i look forward to working with markvoelker_ | 16:03 |
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| eglute | we will need to update the election process in the process document for future elections, since the last change didnt get much time for reviews, this time we will start planning for it sooner | 16:05 |
| eglute | but not today :) | 16:05 |
| eglute | if you do have feedback regarding election process, do let us know, via email or IRC | 16:05 |
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| eglute | if there are no further comments/questions regarding elections, we can move to the next topic | 16:06 |
| dwalleck | Volker, this is SammyD. Congrats. :-) | 16:06 |
| eglute | #topic "Biggest barriers to interop" report for TC/UC | 16:07 |
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| eglute | markvoelker_ this is the topic we didnt get a chance to discuss last meeting | 16:07 |
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| * markvoelker_ casuaully notes that he and hogepodge have submitted a Summit speaking proposal on this topic as well | 16:07 | |
| eglute | markvoelker_ on elections? | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | barriers to interop | 16:08 |
| markvoelker_ | eglute: no, biggest barriers to interop | 16:08 |
| eglute | cool! | 16:08 |
| eglute | this is your topic, would you give us overview? | 16:08 |
| markvoelker_ | Sure | 16:08 |
| markvoelker_ | So, some time ago we discussed that there were a lot of barriers to interoperability to overcome...so, some triage and summary would be good | 16:08 |
| markvoelker_ | Specifically, we'd like to periodically inform the TC and UC of what we think the biggest barriers are so we can focus efforts at breaking them down | 16:09 |
| markvoelker_ | We haven't decided on a timetable, a format, etc yet. I think it's time we start. | 16:09 |
| eglute | what do you propose? | 16:10 |
| markvoelker_ | Just as a reminder, these barriers may include things DefCore has not (yet?) addressed...such as image formats (think qcow vs vmdk for example) | 16:10 |
| markvoelker_ | My general thinking has been that I'd like to do this on a six-month cadence and match it toward the start of the development cycle | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker_ | That way projects teams can be informed of issues while they're still deciding on goals for the development cylce, and there's time to write BP's/bugs/etc and get them implemented in the next release. | 16:11 |
| dwalleck | That timing makes sense to me | 16:12 |
| markvoelker_ | If we bound the report at six months, then I've been thinking a "Top 5" list feels about the right sized bite to chew. I could see a "Top 10" but realistically I'm not sure all of thsoe would get tackled anyway. | 16:13 |
| eglute | i think top 5 is a good start | 16:13 |
| markvoelker_ | E.g. I'd rather have more wood behind fewer arrows | 16:13 |
| eglute | that makes sense to me | 16:13 |
| dwalleck | A top 5 would be a good start | 16:14 |
| markvoelker_ | Oh, and also: if we were to finish up the report ahead of the Summit, it's a thing we could talk about while everyone is in one place, obviously. | 16:14 |
| brunssen | That seems like a reasonable approach to me | 16:14 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:14 |
| gema | +1 | 16:14 |
| dwalleck | And gives folks a chance to give feedback on our priorities | 16:15 |
| markvoelker_ | So, if we generally agree on the direction, I think the best thing to do would be to spend some time on this at the midcycle next month. | 16:15 |
| * rockyg sneaks in late and sits in the back | 16:15 | |
| markvoelker_ | I would be happy to take an AI to come to the midcycle with a list of some of what I think are the biggest issues to get the conversation started, and we can start winnowing down from there. | 16:15 |
| eglute | that sounds good | 16:15 |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:16 |
| markvoelker_ | And you all can tell me what I forgot to put on the list, of course. =) | 16:16 |
| eglute | yes, that sounds good | 16:16 |
| markvoelker_ | I'd also like to solicit some opinions from others in the community. We can talk about how to go about that at the midcycle too I guess | 16:17 |
| eglute | #action markvoelker_ will come up with a starting list for midcycle of things that are top barriers for interop | 16:17 |
| markvoelker_ | Personally I want to avoid surveys as we seem to have an awful lot of those running around lately, but it might make sense to start including some questions on the annual user survey as data points. | 16:17 |
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| eglute | can we take anything from last years study as a starting point? | 16:18 |
| markvoelker_ | In the meantime I imagine the UC would probably be willing to talk with us, and certainly some TC members have been very vocal about what they see as issues. | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | foundation wants to discourage surveys. If there's information you want, contact heidi joy at the foundation and ask to see what can be incorporated into the user survey | 16:19 |
| markvoelker_ | eglute: Well, there were no specific questions around interoperability, though there were some sort of "adjacencies". | 16:19 |
| markvoelker_ | hogepodge: ++ | 16:20 |
| * eglute wonders if it is too late to invite someone from user committee to the midcycle | 16:20 | |
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| * markvoelker_ thinks that's about all he had to say on the topic for today | 16:22 | |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker_ | 16:22 |
| rockyg | Thanks markvoelker_! | 16:23 |
| eglute | i think this will be really good discussion during midcycle | 16:23 |
| eglute | we could send out emails to other openstack mailing lists for input | 16:23 |
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| eglute | catherine_d|1 are you ready to talk about refstack? | 16:24 |
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| catherine_d|1 | eglute: yes | 16:24 |
| eglute | #topic refstack | 16:24 |
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| eglute | thanks! please go ahead | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | there are some other reports too, I can forward them on | 16:24 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge, please do so! | 16:25 |
| catherine_d|1 | RefStack needs some guidance fron DefCore | 16:25 |
| catherine_d|1 | topic 1: vendor self-registration vs vendor list imported by the Foundation members | 16:26 |
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| catherine_d|1 | This topic was discussed during the Mitaka summit. DefCore guidance is to have the list imported. | 16:27 |
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| catherine_d|1 | We want to revisit and confirm on the option | 16:27 |
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| * markvoelker_ would defer to hogepodge on this since ultimately it's probably him who was going to be providing said list | 16:28 | |
| eglute | hogepodge what is your current preference? since the import/getting a list would be your task most likely | 16:28 |
| catherine_d|1 | if we go the self-registrarion route, vendor will not be shown until a foundation member has approved it. | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | I'd prever vendors create their own profiles, then we approve them | 16:28 |
| rockyg | he self registration would need a foundation admin to approve before it would become official | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | makes vendors responsible for the correctness of their own information, but give us a chance to review to make sure nobody is spoofing | 16:29 |
| rockyg | ^he^the | 16:29 |
| catherine_d|1 | However, immediately in the Mitaka release, RefStack does not provide verification steps, auditability trail (who has approved it), or notification. | 16:29 |
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| rockyg | so right now, once the info has been input to refstack, foundtion would have to do all the manual steps to verify before accepting | 16:30 |
| catherine_d|1 | rockyg: yes.. thank! | 16:31 |
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| rockyg | That also means hogepodge would also have to check regularly to see if any vendor submitted a regisration (request) | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | They'll need to notify us | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | that should be easy enough to document in refstack | 16:33 |
| catherine_d|1 | we also do not track who makes the approval ... of course, it won't be a problem if hogepodge: is the only one to do so .. | 16:33 |
| rockyg | And, of course, there won't be any signed docs in the refstack db, so the foundation would still have to collect all that stuff. | 16:34 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: yea we will document it ... but won't have enough time for code support in Mitaka | 16:34 |
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| markvoelker_ | ok, anything else on this? | 16:37 |
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| markvoelker_ | #topic MidCycle Agenda Planning | 16:37 |
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| catherine_d|1 | which option should RefStack proceed? | 16:37 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker_: we also have one more topic for RefStack :-) | 16:38 |
| markvoelker_ | catherine_dl1: Ah, ok | 16:38 |
| markvoelker_ | #topic Refstack | 16:38 |
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| catherine_d|1 | Product types | 16:39 |
| markvoelker_ | catherine_dl1: Sounds like hogepodge wants to go self-registration, so we'll record that as current consensus unless anyone differs | 16:39 |
| catherine_d|1 | Once a vendor registered, the members of the vendor can register products ... | 16:39 |
| catherine_d|1 | question: should the product types require to match with those shown in the OpenStack Marketplace (distro, public_cloud, hosted_private_cloud) ? | 16:40 |
| eglute | that sound like a reasonable option to me | 16:41 |
| catherine_d|1 | that is should RefStack require the vendor to declare types at registation time? | 16:41 |
| eglute | hogepodge what is your opinion? | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | three, to match the marketplace | 16:42 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:42 |
| gema | how does a distro differs from a public_cloud if they deploy a distro one? | 16:42 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker_: thx ... RefStack will take the self-registration route | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker_ | I'm curious: does RefStack actually need a type? E.g. if it has a pointer to the MarketPlace entry, does it need to duplicate the type? | 16:43 |
| markvoelker_ | Sort of feels like if the MarketPlace ever adds/removes types, we'd have a bit of a mess to clean up. | 16:43 |
| markvoelker_ | If we're actually using the type for something though, maybe that makes sense... | 16:43 |
| catherine_d|1 | gema: markvoelker_: RefStack needs a type to enforce whether cloud URL is required.... Cloud URL is required for public_cloud but not for the others | 16:43 |
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| markvoelker_ | ok | 16:44 |
| catherine_d|1 | also I am thinking down the road ... marketplace can post the link on RefStack for test results | 16:44 |
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| gema | catherine_d|1: ok, I was trying to figure out what is the difference in terms of certification of having an ubuntu distro certification vs someone that has deployed a public cloud with our distro | 16:44 |
| gema | would they need to certify as well? | 16:44 |
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| eglute | gema yes, as it would be a separate product | 16:45 |
| gema | eglute: how is a distro a product, then, it allows to deploy so many different clouds | 16:45 |
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| eglute | good question. that is why we had talked about asking for deployment details when vendors ceritfy | 16:46 |
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| gema | ah, ok, I can talk for us then :) | 16:46 |
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| eglute | we have talked about asking for reference architecture/details of what is being deployed. i think this is something we should bring up during midcycle | 16:47 |
| gema | +1 | 16:47 |
| catherine_d|1 | eglute: +1 | 16:47 |
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| eglute | catherine_d|1 did we answer your questions regarding refstack? | 16:48 |
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| catherine_d|1 | so RefStack needs to include the types defined in market place is the recommendation? | 16:49 |
| eglute | correct | 16:49 |
| markvoelker_ | #agreed RefStack should include types as defined in the MarketPlace | 16:49 |
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| eglute | catherine_d|1 any other questions? | 16:50 |
| markvoelker_ | #agreed RefStack should use self-registration for vendors with verification performed by the Foundation | 16:50 |
| catherine_d|1 | Thank you all! | 16:50 |
| eglute | thanks catherine_d|1! | 16:50 |
| eglute | #topic midcycle planning | 16:50 |
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| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:50 |
| eglute | we started adding things, any other discussions that you think we should have during midcycle? | 16:51 |
| gema | we wanted to discuss about using tests different than tempest yes/no | 16:51 |
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| eglute | yes | 16:52 |
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| eglute | thanks everyone for updating the ehterpad. we still have some time before the midcycle, so let me and markvoelker_ if you would like to discuss any of those topics sooner too | 16:54 |
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| eglute | #topic open discussion | 16:55 |
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| eglute | anything else anyone wants to add/disccuss? | 16:56 |
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| eglute | if not, then we will end the meeting 3 minutes early :) | 16:56 |
| brunssen | Can we add a section to the etherpad for the mid-cycle for any food requirements? | 16:56 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| brunssen | I will need to know for ordering lunches | 16:57 |
| eglute | brunssen i can send out a doodle for preferences! | 16:57 |
| eglute | like last time | 16:57 |
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| brunssen | Perfect | 16:57 |
| brunssen | Thank you | 16:57 |
| eglute | and really appreciate IBM getting us lunches :) | 16:57 |
| eglute | thank you! | 16:57 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| gema | thank you | 16:57 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 16:57:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-02-03-15.59.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-02-03-15.59.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-02-03-15.59.log.html | 16:57 |
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| rockyg | thanks! | 16:58 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 17:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 17:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | cool, good to see everyone | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic v1 testing | 17:01 |
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| alaski | looking at http://goo.gl/32yUGy the cells failures seem to mostly track normal failure rates | 17:01 |
| alaski | melwitt: anything you're aware of? | 17:01 |
| dansmith | oj <- head with headset on indicating multitasking on a call | 17:02 |
| melwitt | alaski: no | 17:02 |
| alaski | dansmith: heh, nice | 17:02 |
| alaski | melwitt: great | 17:02 |
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| alaski | it's been really nice that things have been stable for a while | 17:02 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:03 |
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| alaski | as always https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking is the place to go for reviews | 17:03 |
| alaski | it looks like some new patches have been added which is great | 17:03 |
| alaski | and now that we're past non priority FF getting reviews on cells patches and moving them forward is going to be important | 17:04 |
| alaski | we have about a month left in M I think | 17:04 |
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| mlavalle | yes, end of February | 17:05 |
| alaski | I'll try to go through all of the open reviews this week, if anyone can help review please do so | 17:05 |
| alaski | mlavalle: thanks | 17:05 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:05 |
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| doffm | rlrossit can't be here right now. (Has a meeting) | 17:06 |
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| doffm | But unless there is objection he is going to start looking at message broker switching issues. | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | http://docs.openstack.org/releases/mitaka/schedule.html | 17:06 |
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| doffm | In preparation for a N spec. | 17:06 |
| doffm | *AN N spec. | 17:06 |
| melwitt | oh, I was about to say I've been working on a WIP up for that at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274955/ | 17:06 |
| doffm | melwitt: :) | 17:07 |
| doffm | I will point rlrossit to it. | 17:07 |
| alaski | that's great | 17:08 |
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| doffm | I have about 2 more patches to put in this week. 1 for devstack cell0 and another working on alaski's wip for cell0 error state handling. | 17:09 |
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| alaski | doffm: how do you want to handle taking over my patch? I can abandon and you can own it, or you can just steal the change-id if you'd like | 17:10 |
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| doffm | alaski: I'll just take the change ID. | 17:10 |
| alaski | okay | 17:11 |
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| alaski | speaking of N specs it's a good time to start thinking of those, as well as summit discussions | 17:12 |
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| doffm | Yeah, I guess melwitt and/or rlrossit will do message broker spec. | 17:12 |
| doffm | I'd be grateful for ideas for other topics to work on a spec for. | 17:13 |
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| * bauzas waves super late | 17:13 | |
| alaski | I haven't thought that far ahead yet | 17:13 |
| doffm | Ok. :) | 17:13 |
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| alaski | but assuming everything planned in M gets done there may be some work to add instance_mapping lookups to all api calls | 17:14 |
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| alaski | that'll be a requirement for looking at multiple cells | 17:14 |
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| alaski | we should also start looking at what else can be migrated out of the cell db into the api db | 17:15 |
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| alaski | doffm: that's a good research area if you're interested | 17:15 |
| doffm | alaski: Thanks, I will take a look. | 17:16 |
| belmoreira | I have a question related with cellsV1 since we will still use it for awhile | 17:16 |
| melwitt | speaking of that, I think there's at least a couple places where there are FK constraints between tables that will be split up and we'll need to deal with that | 17:16 |
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| bauzas | yeah | 17:16 |
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| doffm | melwitt: Do you know off-the-top-of your head what they are? | 17:16 |
| bauzas | we should probably review the cellsv2 etherpad about that | 17:16 |
| alaski | melwitt: that's annoying, but expected I supposed | 17:17 |
| alaski | *suppose | 17:17 |
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| * bauzas remembers how it was difficult to cut the FK for compute_nodes and services | 17:17 | |
| melwitt | doffm: one is security groups I think | 17:17 |
| alaski | belmoreira: one sec | 17:17 |
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| doffm | Ok, well lets go look them up and discuss on etherpad? Next weeks meeting? | 17:18 |
| melwitt | doffm: then I think I found something with fixed_ips | 17:18 |
| alaski | doffm: that would be a great topic for the meeting | 17:19 |
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| doffm | alaski: Sounds good. | 17:20 |
| bauzas | I remember some discussion about that | 17:20 |
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| bauzas | mostly all the scheduler related tables like aggregates, services and so on | 17:20 |
| bauzas | if we decide to have one scheduler for all the cells | 17:21 |
| alaski | yeah, we should start to detangle all of that | 17:21 |
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| alaski | for now we'll have one scheduler, but it's still open as to whether or not we'll stop there | 17:21 |
| bauzas | well | 17:22 |
| doffm | One Highly available Horizontal scaling scheduler. ;) | 17:22 |
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| alaski | easy | 17:22 |
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| bauzas | anyway | 17:22 |
| alaski | I think where we last landed was that it'll be possible for deployers to have a scheduler per cell, but it'll be hidden behind a global call to the scheduler api | 17:23 |
| alaski | as I know rackspace and CERN feel confident that they need that | 17:23 |
| doffm | I can add IBM to that list also. (Or something like it) | 17:24 |
| bauzas | we need to think about that | 17:24 |
| belmoreira | alaski: yes, I have some reservations about the all in one scheduler | 17:24 |
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| bauzas | I just want to make sure we won't have two different schedulers like cells v1 | 17:24 |
| bauzas | because it doesn't work | 17:25 |
| alaski | bauzas: agreed | 17:25 |
| alaski | well, it works | 17:25 |
| alaski | but it's unnecessary I think | 17:25 |
| bauzas | it works, I agree | 17:25 |
| alaski | you could accomplish the same thing with a single call | 17:25 |
| bauzas | but it means that we have some different services for two identical calls | 17:25 |
| alaski | right | 17:25 |
| bauzas | I'm not that attached having one single call | 17:26 |
| bauzas | 2 calls for 2 scheduler instances is perhaps okay, but that needs to be a deployer's decision using the same service | 17:26 |
| bauzas | that's just my point | 17:26 |
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| alaski | some people have expressed strong opinions about having a single call | 17:26 |
| bauzas | which is fine too | 17:26 |
| alaski | so I would like to explore that route first, and if there's a good reason for two calls we can go down that route | 17:27 |
| bauzas | 100% agreed | 17:27 |
| doffm | This is probably a topic for the design summit right? Like a big topic. | 17:27 |
| bauzas | when saying I'm not that attached, I mean I would honestly prefer one single call | 17:27 |
| alaski | doffm: that's a bit of an understatement :) | 17:27 |
| bauzas | doffm: well, not sure we could conclude by a 40min session :) | 17:28 |
| melwitt | heh | 17:28 |
| alaski | but yes, it's something we need to discuss there | 17:28 |
| bauzas | I'd rather prefer to see some concensus here before the summit, so we could then go back to the guys | 17:28 |
| alaski | my thinking has been that it may be early for it though | 17:28 |
| bauzas | it could | 17:28 |
| bauzas | it will actually depend on the table split | 17:29 |
| bauzas | that's my guess | 17:29 |
| alaski | I was hoping to stick with a single scheduler for now, and then discuss it further when we're working on multiple cell support | 17:29 |
| bauzas | ++++ | 17:29 |
| belmoreira | in the past we started collecting feedback in this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-scheduling-requirements | 17:29 |
| doffm | bauzas: Lets dig in to the table split first then. | 17:29 |
| bauzas | yup | 17:29 |
| alaski | belmoreira: excellent | 17:30 |
| alaski | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-scheduling-requirements | 17:30 |
| alaski | heh, I apparently contributed to that | 17:30 |
| alaski | belmoreira: you had a question earlier? | 17:30 |
| belmoreira | yes, is related with cellsV1 | 17:31 |
| belmoreira | we have some bugs with the tag "cells" but very few are in progress... | 17:31 |
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| belmoreira | since we will still using cellsV1 should we start mention them during this meeting and see what should be fixed until cellsV2 can be used? | 17:31 |
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| belmoreira | my feeling is that if it has the "cells" tag is waiting for alaski or melwitt (for example) to have have a look | 17:33 |
| alaski | I'm going to say yes, with the warning that it's been decided not to spend time on cells v1 except for some exceptional things | 17:33 |
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| alaski | so we'll need to bring up these changes in the Nova meeting | 17:34 |
| melwitt | I do pay attention to new cells bugs that come through the queue, I thought last I checked all the recent ones were assigned to someone so I need to go look at them again | 17:34 |
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| alaski | I have been remiss there | 17:34 |
| alaski | belmoreira: it would be good to raise awareness of bugs that are affecting you. we just have to be careful of spending too much time on v1 versus v2 | 17:36 |
| belmoreira | fair enough... they should be at least triaged and then we can prioritise | 17:36 |
| alaski | agreed | 17:36 |
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| belmoreira | alaski: ok, thanks | 17:37 |
| alaski | I'll make a note to go through the buq queue as well | 17:37 |
| alaski | anything else for today? | 17:37 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: I recently saw some blogpost about your Kilo migration | 17:37 |
| bauzas | are those bugs related to it ? | 17:38 |
| bauzas | (because for nova, it was mostly said that was because of $cells) | 17:38 |
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| bauzas | (speaking of http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.fr/2015/11/our-cloud-in-kilo.html = | 17:38 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: yes | 17:39 |
| bauzas | ack | 17:39 |
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| bauzas | that would certainly require some discussion before moving further, but okay I see which ones you're talking about :) | 17:39 |
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| alaski | yeah. it's good to have a list though | 17:40 |
| alaski | anything else? | 17:40 |
| belmoreira | in the blog post I think is only one related with cells | 17:41 |
| belmoreira | But we have more... :) | 17:41 |
| bauzas | :) | 17:41 |
| alaski | looks like that's it today | 17:42 |
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| alaski | belmoreira: definitely get them reported and we'll work out what to do with them | 17:42 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 17:42 |
| doffm | Thanks. | 17:42 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 17:43:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-02-03-17.00.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-02-03-17.00.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-02-03-17.00.log.html | 17:43 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting HorizonDrivers | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 20:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HorizonDrivers)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
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| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | General stuff | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | Mitaka-3 is in 1 month | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | March 3 | 20:02 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | what dpes the Mitaka-3 line mean to us? | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I meant to ask last night, got distracted) | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | I should probably cover that | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | Most projects in OpenStack observe a couple of freezes prior to M-3 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | The is a Feature Proposal Freeze (FPF) and a Feature Freeze (FF) | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | FPF would be the last point you could get a blueprint/spec accepted for the release | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | for most projects that was long ago | 20:05 |
| piet | 0/ | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | Horizon tends to be a little more reactive based on late coming features in other services | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | Next is FF | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | for most projects that is around the 3 milestone, maybe a a week before | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | that is last chance to land new features | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | to to really panic about actually getting those new interfaces in then :-) | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | time to | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | we tend to have a couple of FFEs (Feature Freeze Exceptions) where we land some remaining items between M-3 and RC1 | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | we try to keep that list short | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | to stabilize | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | Then after M-3 we should really be in bug fix mode | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | and get to RC-1 | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | once there only high or greater bugs should be addressed | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | but with RC-1 master will become Newton | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | but between M-3 and RC-1 master is essentially locked to new features | 20:10 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, do new integration tests qualify as new features? | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I'll take tests anytime | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | up to RC-1 | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | okay | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | tests and bugfixes are in the same boat | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | nice :) | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | so that's what all those things mean | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | thanks david-lyle | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | in the spirit of things constantly in flux, the release schedule is now posted here http://docs.openstack.org/releases/mitaka/schedule.html | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | the other two interesting points for the release are translation and library release freeze | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | for horizon we accept new strings until RC-1 and then have an RC-2 to merge translations | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | For library freeze, we shouldn't be releasing d-o-a or the xstatic libraries past the week of Feb 22 | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | but yes, for priority features they should be landing soon | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | knowing the gate will be a total mess close to the milestone | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | especially given the reduced capacity | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | ok, release questions ? | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think I'm good | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | er, no questions, that is ;-) | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | Other general item is Midcycle Sprint in Feb 23-24 | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | no other prodding will be applied :) | 20:18 |
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| david-lyle | There are no items on the agenda | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | Is anyone here to advocate for a blueprint? otherwise I would rather wait on reviewing others given we're in the throws of M-3 | 20:19 |
| tqtran | does docs have a deadline? or is that accepted as it comes? | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: ah, docs, tests and bugs all RC-1 | 20:20 |
| tqtran | ok | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | did anyone have any items for discussion? | 20:21 |
| TravT | only that i just realized that we'll be doing end of cycle reviews / etc at "mid-cycle" and the gate will be smashed. | 20:22 |
| TravT | oh well | 20:22 |
| tqtran | same fun as last time, we'll manage | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | we'll prioritize and if things are approved and not landed, we can open FFEs if we think they are warranted | 20:22 |
| TravT | sounds good. | 20:23 |
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| david-lyle | with the meeting this morning, seems like we've covered most items. | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | I propose cutting this short and letting people do real work :) | 20:24 |
| TravT | I'll second that | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | additionally I wonder if suspending this second meeting until RC-1 wouldn't be a bad idea | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | will be useful for planning Newton, but less value now | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | not likely to be many additional blueprints accepted :-) | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | ok, I'll send an email. | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone. Happy reviewing :) | 20:26 |
| TravT | thx! | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 20:26:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-02-03-20.00.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-02-03-20.00.txt | 20:26 |
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